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      C ^ -JXteVW- * t . ' ¦* ' . ¦ ; & .. . . .. -: ¦ - - 3-V- HOUSE OF LORDS . ' -: -. i . ^^ - ^ Feb . ^ - " . y ¦ '¦ ¦" . ; Ti » LOBI ) CHAKCELI « RtoQkWiBat oa the llgdta&atfive o ' clock .- t v , - -r SfcGfiORGE GREY , and others , brpnght up ihe - ^ iJtfeiitiie GcwerTJmentof Lower Canada , - witUt ^ eir lABdrfajsameninentej ^ gTeed to by the House of ^ vffllltffW ^ i ¦ " " ¦ ¦ - *¦ ¦ " . ¦ ~ _ -I&fxirKENYON presented ^ petitions from three psB ^ ies gainst the BDlior the ConsoKdatioii of the Bishoprics of Sodor aid Man and Carlisle , in the l ^ erxrf -wMdilie WfeelY lg'eed . " v " -TTie-Bishop of EXETjJR ; wisbM ~ to kno * from ihe Noble Marquis ( Lansdowne ) whether it-was the intention ' of her Majesty-MmiBtenr to propose a r evival of the Committee into ihe new nlan of

      ednra-< kacia Ireland ? Secoodly , } f it was not , whether . they meant to propose any resolution upon thp-Tdport made by the Commissioners ? ~ .. . Tie Marquis of LANSDOWNE said , it was hot Sheintention of her Majesty ' s Ministers to Propose ihe . frav ^ of the Committee of last year . In wfer-- < ence' to the second questionable "was uot _ prepared at present to say that any such proposition -was intended to be proposed . Should any Inch intention hereafter be entertained , ample notice thereof would bejgken to 1 » ta Houses of Parliament ; - The Bishop of EXETER then said hehadano--ther question ta-put to the Noble Marquis , which

      • KBBiiiot connected with the . two former ; and it was - ^ s : ve . . collected ) whether the recommendations contained in the 13 th Schedule to the 4 th Report of ihe Ecclesiastical Commissioners was about to he carried intoi effect . - -The Marquis of LANSDOWNE " said , that ihe "Report'had not yet come under the special notice of her Majesty's Government , "but , for his own part , he felt bound to say , he most fully and entirel y concurred : in , and subscribed to , all the -suggestions contained in that Report , and he should be « xtremely happy in assisting to forward those suggestions . ;

      THE GLASGOW COTTOX SPUHTERS . lord BROUGHAM had a petition to present , which related to a species of crime , respecting which Tery unfortunate errorsprevail bothon the part of the working classes in this country and Ireland . It was the petition of three delegates now in London , from -the Cotton-spinners' Union of Glasgow , They stated that nve persons , members of the Cottonspinxrers' Union were imprisoned in the "Bridewell ofGfa ^ gow , inJulylast 5 they had heen since tried in Ediabargh , and afterwards brought here to the hulks , having been convicted upon charges of combining : to raise their wages by intimidation , assault , the burning of factories , and assassination . After , a

      long trial , those persons were convicted upon some counts only , the principal charges having been ne ^ atiTed ; out they were sentenced to transportation , which would be carried into effect , unless the mercy of the Crown were interposed . It was nt to state that the offences of which they were charged were first- stated in an indictment which charged them , under ten counts , with having conspired to commit assassinatien ^ arson , and otSer injury to personal property , and which were carried into effect Dymurdar and house-burning , by persons hired by the Committeee of the Cotton Spinners' Union , and paid for out : of the funds raised by sub . ^ cription amongst themembrrs . Gravvr offences could notbe coaunitted

      by man , or be made the subject of human accusation and inquiry . On that all were agreed , even those who were most bigoted in favour of the combination . After those men had been five months imprisoned , it was found necessary to depart from the indictment altogether , and , what is called in Scotland , to desert the dietpro loco et tempcre . In thesecond indictment , on which their incarceration- was continued , all the counts of the first indictment were continued , and three others were added . Kow he was convinced that the" offences of which they were charged were net only dangerous to society and injurious to trade , but mo » t emphatically mischievous to the working men themselves . But they were offences of a very

      difierent die ; instead of murJer or arson they turned out to be offences , the very slightest known to the la * . They were the offences of combining , using threats , hustling , and other vexatious . annoyances . What was the result ? After long and patient inres tigatiohbefore the High Conrtof Justiciary they were acquitted—of what ?—and convicted of what ? They were unanimously acquitted by the whole Jury , because by the law of Scotland unanimity is not required , a majority of one being sufficient to convict on all the ten counts , that is to say , on every individual charge which had Wen mad ^ , and which alone formed the subject of the original indictment . Kow , in this country—he did not know in what light it

      "Would be regarded , in Scotland—this would have been-a most unfortunate predicament for the Crown , and aTnost unhappy position for the law officers of theCTown . It came to this , that they had framed anlndictment in-which four or five innocent men had been imprisoned for the space of five months , separated from their wives and children , who were dependent on their exertions , and this on charges winch , by the unanimous verdict of their countrymen , were declared to be unfounded . But worse -than that , and a still more unfortunate predicament forthe Crown wonld be , if its advisers were found to bring forward charges on which the men were acquittso , and aB the time to neelect to arraisn them

      for oSenoes -which they had committed , and of which they turned out to be guilty , and upon which , if they were included in the first indictmeBt , there must have beena eonrjcrion : to impose upon them , in feet , an imprisonment of "fire months on a groundless accusation , and to ; cause a stfllfurther delay of . Justice , and a continuance of imprisonment for two months , on the charge * on which they . were finally sentenced . So the Jactbeing that as they were guilty of none but minor offences , they were not indited for those , but they were accused of those of which they had never been gmlty . The jury , which , as he had stated to their lordships , need not in Scotland be unani mous , retired after the investigation and a long and

      learned charge from the Chief Justice . He would demonstrate to their Lordships that when they went tfee ' majority of the jury were against the conviction of the prisoners even for the lesser offences ; for they were'out three hours , and the result was that they found by a verdict only of eight to seven , die narrowest possible jnajority , that any offence , even the least -of those of a less grave character , had ever heen committed- -Now it followed demonitratiTely from that circumstance that when they first went out they were not of that opinion ; for if they had been they would have been glad , after so tedious an inquiry , which lasted eight days , to have called the roll and retired to their different occupations . It was , he repeated ,

      clear to demonstration , that one of the eight had been argued over , and that the verdict was thus decided .- This , he thought , was a strong case for the interposition of the Crown ^ and when he spoke of the law of England , and appealed to the practice , he was glad to do so in the presence of his Noble and Learned Friend ( the Lord Chancellor ) , whose ^ special duty it was to stand by the fountain of justice and watch the subordinate distribution of the stream . Of his Noble Friend's . inclination to do so he had no doubt , particularly when he called to mind the state of the English taw oh the subject . In the year 1824 , by the 2 nd and 3 rd of Geo . IV ., all the combination laws were repealed ^ It no longer

      continued to be an offence to enter into a combination to raiseiwages . Whether it was wise to repeal those laws without substituting some strong enact ^ ments , had T > een among speculative men , the students" of jurisprudence as well as among practical writers , amatter of disputation ; but this was certain , that combination amongst either masters or men was no longer an offence , " stud thfe oSencesjof ' combining ¦ were " cpnfined to cases where some taiminalict was . done , " threatening the person- or property , or for the purpose of ^ preventing men-from" getting work ^ or ¦ mug -Tri g any man loseJHVwork , or making any man join an Assboation , or in anyway impeding or obstructing file free application of labour .: : Itwas true

      that there was a proviso inserted in tae Act stating that threatening the person or property for the illegal purpose of inducing a man to leave employment was made , more than a cqinmon ; as |> aultror injury , , J ? pw ¦ what was the punishment inflicted by The 2 nd and 3 rd : GBo . IY-, < kap . 95 , on a oarty who was gti 3 iy of ii » e > sser class of oSehees "whrch'te hadnjfci&dned r ? Transportation ? Ko isndf thing . " TrMsportafem -for seven" years , lie -eeiftence prenoT ^ ce ^ d ^ ir'these -men who yere . found gmltyofiih * less srsve « harjge « ? NdthnTgSSe , it . - Tr ^ portalion .: fot . a day hrjpslt : No .- " « -Banished forth from Scotland / J ^ hiih vein England a ^ t < x > nsider a hardBhip , but ^ hkhthOsfe -wnoiesided in Scotland were found very often , voluaaJ

      tanly toTindereo ? ( Laughter . ) . No . Imprisonment fer * : year ? . No . forjeren mpnflis ? Jfo . " Jot five months / No . , For ^ erpenoS . aunng wHi $ ihe&jnaa-xe& sufiei&Lfobeianprisonea ? N 6 tfmfg of fhe " -lp ^' -VV y »'; Q ^ : ^^ l ™ y ^' ' ^^ 1 ^^ ' * ' ^ were'impnson ^ d on a bungling indietoierit j ^ chargink ' only ^ Crime which * a ? " ^ ter&r -cdmtmtfed , antf oma ^ thatoltrbich tHe ^ art £ »' were- ^ aaty , m air i nmctmBiitt ) efomt" « ra »* niiwiri > ljethex itconld bold walCT , ^ Trne « ier ft »« aa 4 » iB ^ yew ef dxaftiaaan ^ dm > of tfe { SoWniswfterrwa * , ' wi&aHitt frmgwi andccrant ^ w > rttl ; hepW » - « iB ^ c | iitw ^^ t ^

      jwtt » o month * , -mm H ^ pa ™* . . ^ mo ^ ifi-m . fl » way of impmonment W 8 W * W * s 8 wt ^ y # » f Act ^ 2 aad 3 Geo . I > V ^ i * g i > Q ^^ "f ^ men . would have been ' jsuhiectairifSB Iflglana they ' had been accused . if ^ S o&k hatf been tried up ^ flpy H instead of c * refjiIlr' ^ w 6 fdS ( i g fetiy nienfioii 'd ^ me ^ z ^ l offence in ih ^ ftw'&SietBi&nti and men ^' /^^^^ go ^ chaJ ^^^ V ^ nfi ^ tuay ^ thtf 1 GSxyBfaiS bosineas , fiHot ^ Kailanauaf < 3 » t « b ' lfciNMp ^ MK -widen ifcftiwe indhi * ub kad-koen ' tmnijhil ; » iij [ wooldto » l » a »» e » teM&d « a ^« tp ; i ^ o ) BPBSM imprisonment , bein ^ fhf' aelf-same " _ - JBVBldpMBt ' inflicted on tiieae poor men in addition % s tbt irtt five months during which they were ¦ jntaa&By ) and through the blundering of ihe Crown

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      lawyers and tiifir , affent in Scotland , confiaed . ( Hear , hear . * beeing thia' that their punattment would awreieen onlytw * i months if trifed in : Enflandi ' a | id that "they had been confined-for a -period of 6 « yen £ months , including flie five and " the additoonai two mohflis which' was afterwards added j and coimder mg that the offence was of a aught degree , - and of » « aatructife character , as charging these man with being members of what was called" the guard Coni nnftee ;' he trusted that tb * royal ear >* 6 uia Tie approached with the kind and considerate counseVto extend the mercy of the Crown to persons who had undergone three times ( andmore ) asmuchpunuihmentte they vrould have suffered tiad their cas » e been investigated in England . Although he totally dif" _ - * - '* - ' - * ' -- - ^ -- ' < - - * -

      lered / fitnn those . who held combination to . Be an offenpe to , the extent . to which it waatjustifiedby flie existing law ^ still h « . thought , that , such practices ! as those of which these , indinduals were , found gu 3 ty werejnischiejous to trade , destrucHve to the peace of the community , and , ' above" all , mischierous to the interests of the workmen . Nonesufferedmore than thfe fesl vicfims' of these cOhsplraclei ^ those ' whti ¦ furthered' them under the dehtsiTe notion that titer were for "fiieir interest , and : opposed Ao that of then * intended victims ^ themastersj * ' I' ^ on ' t ( continued the Noble and Learned liofd ) go the length of those who teS the peopleeLse where that they have" no r ight to enter into oombinations-r-that it is Jiot . righi fox * them to do so . 1 utterly ^ deny it It in neh t to

      combine ; and I hope men wjlj ponjaime to enter iqto combinations . The . law sa ^ s they may do so if Vhey please . M asters may combine to lbwer ' tKe price of wages , and men may / combine to faise . them . Men may combine to resist ' the lowering of their wages . That is their indefeasible ^ right . Tiie Act of Parliament tells them it is no" 6 fi % nce , and it may Tie a duty . There is no doubt of that . No good cause was ever advanced by a statement displaying gross ignorance , and by the unreflecting observation , . that all combination was a-crime . Such a remark was as unfounded as to say that all law was a nuisance , because some instances may be found—and , God knows , as far as criminal law was concerned , not far off-H ) f the existence of abuse . -Bat , then , there m a

      much more grievous and far more perilous error in its consequences which other men fall into , and that is , that there is little or no offence in those unlawful acts by which the operatives suffered themselves to be disgraced and their welfare to be put in jeopardy . " The Noble and Learned Lord then continued to observe that no man" had a right to ¦ combine for lowering or raising wages—for preventing men from working , or forcing men to join any association by means of threats or violence of any sort . Arguments in favour of combination were right ; they might be resortedto as a duty . All peaceral means of furthering the interests , as they were conceived of the working men against theplans of themasters ; all endearing inducements , all means short of threats , werejustinable . Combinations of all this kind the law allowed ; and to say that they were illegal or mischierons would be * just as tyrannical as the

      infringement which was committed on the liberty of a man when he was willing but forbidden to work for lower wages than those of his trade were willing to accept That was the . plain sense of the case , and undeniable law . Such -was the advice wuich he felt bound to give to men of whom he had good-reason to believe he possessed the confidence , having acted as thuir advocate in the Courts of Law aud in Parliament , and to assure them , that while he consented to present their petition , he could not do-so _ withont availiDg himself of the opportunity of pointing out the errors committed , not only by those who hrvd written this petition , but by other parties , particularly in Dublin , who did not appear to be at all acquainted with the distinctions which Jie had pointed out With these observations he humbly begged leave to lay the petition before their Lordships , and to move that it be read .

      fhe petition having been read at length by the clerk , Viscount MELBOURNE said that if he had been aware that it was the Noble and Learned Lord ' s intention to present a petition of this nature , much less to suppose that he would enter into a long statement involving the law officers of the Crown in Scotland , he should have felt it his duty to make himself acquainted with the whole cass > , and the real facts connected with it . It had been the general practice of Parliament , in its prudence , wisdom , and discretion—although undoubtedly it had the power of deciding on questions of the exercise of mercy , " well as of those of every other branch of the prerogative—to exercise a very great care in considering

      such matters , i * eeing that it wonld open a door to the greatest possible inconvenience if this prerogative were frequently called in question , and made the subject of debate within the walls of Parliament . And he owned that he did not see any thing in the present case , as it had been stated by the Noble and Learned Lord , to make it an exception to the general rule , or to induce their Lordships to interfere by an Address to the Throne on this subject It was admitted on all hands that these men had been convicted of an offence of a most pernicious character : and it was with great satisfaction that he heard the concluding observations of the Noble and Learned Lord , which took off the impression which might be produced by a former part of his speech .

      when he stated that the Crown hid failed in proving the offence of a graver -character , that was murder or conspiracy to murder , but succeeded in bringing home to the accused an offence of the lightest character known tothe law . He conceived that any violence or intimidation used to carry into effect any regulation of such an association , was an offence of the gravest and most serions character , and the more open the law had been made for allowing men to enter into combinations , the more necessary was it to check any attempt at violent proceedings by the most serious punishments which the law allowed . The Noble and Learned Lord had stated , that the punishment which had been inflicted for the charges which were proved , was severe and excessive—far

      more than weuld have been allowed by the law in this country ; but when the combination-laws were abolished , the tault which was found with the proceeding was , that the penalties were too weak and too light . And , he must say , that if the offence was proved to the extent charged against these person ^ the punishment which was assigned to it wa 3 not excessive , or the infliction unjust . The Noble and Learned Lord had said that the Law-officers bungled this case extremely . It was perfectly true , that they were obliged to give up the charge of a more serious offence , and proceed in another form . There might be reasons for . giving up the first indictment , which did not arise froin the circumstance that the fact was not' committed , but because the

      evidence on which they relied was not forthcoming , and , therefore , the indictment which was at first preferred was not sufficient , whether or not there were grounds for it _ He begged leave to say , that he did not intend to give an opinion on this case , as he was not in any respect acquainted with facts . He gave no opinion whatever , as to the course which was pursued in respect of it , but he maintained that the facts which were brought forward did not establish any misconduct on the part of the Law-officers of the Crown , nor prove that the punishment awarded was excessive , if they entered into the grounds of this application , they would be obliged to examine into the conduct of the Jury , the length of time they were out , and the proportion in which thev Voted .

      There would be no end to arguments of this kind if they were once admitted ; and the conduct of the Jury , which had been referred to , only proved the inconvenience of the law of Scotland in not requiring unanimity , and thus allowing questions to be raised as to how many voted on each gide , and what was the character of each . The great advantage of the yerdict of a Jurr was , that it should be final ; and ' if it appeared that it was given in accordance with the evidence , and if there was no legal mode of attacking it by recourse toi the higher legal tribunals of the country , it should not be made the ground for any further proceedings of an extraordinary nature . If they were to reflert on the length of time the Jury took to consider their verdict and the tim »

      they were-out , and to make these circumstances raise a presumption for attacking toe " verdict , or , at least , bringing forward so serious a matter as the calling in question of the verdict of a Jury , and the proceedings of a Court of Jnstice in Parliament , th , 9 re _ wquldbe . no « ad to . suchpTQceedinga . ' Givius ho opinion whatever on the course which should Tie Baopted , and , oeing convinced , that the : fullest corifaderabon wonld be given to the case by those whose duty it was to" enquire into it-, -he did " not see that toy particular claiin was established for the interposition of Parliament < Hear , hear . ) ¦ - { iLord BROUGHAM explained . The Noble Viscount had remarked , on .. the . leryunusual , . though nnprecejdenteAs « ourse ^ af / interpodng between the

      5 B ^ atence and , tbe eiecutjoa-by an address iojhe . CroTO ^ The . Noble Viscount was mistaken in snoposing that , he had intimated any wish to make a jnption on this subject . " 9 e h « 4 "' never intimated a jwish to"dd «>; out his suppHcatiojiih , &vpur ' of the prisoners was pointedly addressed to the Minisfera cf&e < Jrown , wst € hey migiA listen' tir nis statement ' The Ndbfe yiscbunt had- ' stated ? that if he had known this petition Was to have been presented lie should hare made it his > buimes *; to «> e th ' athei or some of hi * coueaguesj ^ as informed on > the ^ ubof ife ^ He had sent &e petition either . ye * terdayo | the-daybefore toth&Heime-pffice ,. andheha ^ yee iteruay beeged the attention of- his Nook , Friend tht Ae

      S ^ cretwy . fcr Home Apartment ,, a& it wasvfo stated ^ his indention forthwith fopresentilie ^ peititwa ; 1 ^' r ^| pe ^ : iDV 1 ^ ' > U-ll ^^ u ^ t ^ t !^ . jnothin ^ extfM > rdiaarj , or out ' bfUie xij \ grovec againgttt ^ dfficett of the Crown , ^ he ' intugt Concltfdl hiatte ' understanding , was rornied of TC ] py ' iKQriBui mStemb ^ wb-o $ d : i n 6 f see thatit ^ ra ? - somisthm ititefe thabubi ^ ery-iay ctii » ^ prefer fen <*^ ee « ta&iafrRfcicvftfle&'n proof , and to' omit tto chirp Iwhieh alope ccwiibe proved , i Ifwai jnst af if a mai jwere to take the indictments outof a draver Tr titeBcer and t * say » ; lf tbia cannot be prored ^ atoi is wrong ,, we nhall go on another . " The Nobl < Viscount had stated , that the Crown might han good reason for abandoning the more teriooa charge But the Crown did no such thing , but tacked thi

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      minor offence to the graater crimes , Bad as the fiwt ihcUdttieht w ' ai ^ mymt ^ iCT tri ? d % W fe it The Nobl » Viscount aJsVexdttimfedV " ThBipresent proceeding ; only ghows the evils , of a want of unanimity which prevafled as io verdicts inScotland . " He would nofto ^ e that quesfiot ^ butthogewiiowerW attached to Ae Scotch system maintained that it wa < most . nnju » tifiable , toswear a man to return a verdict according to bia . co ' nftcience , and then if ihe Jtiry could not agree , tOifisiniSiQiein ] or' cast them , according to ! the old punishment , out- of the comity , He knew , that it was often , said in the law courts of this country ^ that it was 1 ) ener ' to ^ Baye-bpe' obitinate man than eleven in ' your f * vbur ; ftr it was verrlik ^ v

      that jf he had a good stomach and a sound con > titufaon , he wo ^ ld starve out the remainder . ( Laughter . HethongWit ' rieht to say thusrnuca to mitigate the severity of && Noble Viscount's mdigntttion againBt the unhappj Scotch _ syi ! tem , > nd to soften the extreme fldmiratibh lie had expressed of the practice m Eri | la 3 Qd ; ( Laughter . ) Th ^ Noble Viscouht'had argued thaf these pr isoners would not-have been tried in the » ame way in England as they had been in Scotland . _ That was « cactl y what he maintauTLed , and was * ' conclusive answerto the Noble Viscount B

      cpn « usions , ^ * , __ ,, : - ¦/ . / .. : , ' \; :--v , " ¦ - ; - ; The ' order of , the day for the second reading of the Bishopric of Sodor-and Man Bill ^^ Was discharired ; » ad ' flk « ifor ^ Qe 8 day , * the 5 » tb instant - s ¦ yi sconnt ^ jp ^ T , presenteii a petition from the © wnerj and ' occupiers of , land in the liberty of I ^ eri ck ^ cof ^ Taihhig ^ of the oppressive burthensr of the Grand Jury Taxation . ¦ ' ^ TBe Marquis of LANSDOWNE gave notice that he should " move . " tiie second reading of the Presbyterians ' aaths ( Ireland ) : Bill on Monday . Adjourned till to-morrow .

      HOUSE OF COMMONS . , ¦ February 9 . - The 5 peakbb took the ^^ Chair at four o ' clock . ' ¦ Mr . P . HOWARD brought in the Newcastleon-Tyne , and Carlisle Railway BUI , which was read a first time . ' - J ., ¦;¦• -- ; . - , ; : : ;;¦ : ; -. - . ; . ¦ ¦ ¦¦ . ' [ ' JVIr . PRIN 6 LE presented a petition in favour of the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway Bill . Petitions for theBallot were presented by Captain Peebell from Brighton , and from Salisbury , by Mr , Brodie . ¦ : ' ' - ¦ >' : ¦

      Air , BETHELLjresented a petition from humerous pOst-masters , innkeepers , and others , prajdng for the repeal of the Post-horse duty . ¦ - Mr . W . ROCHE presented a petition from the Chamber of Commerce , Liverpool , for the repeal of the" duty on" Marine Insurances ; also one in favour of theBalbt , and one for Municipal Reform in Ireland ; In the prayer of : all the three petitions he perfectly concurred . ' . ' Mr . GRIMSDITCH presented a petition from Macclesfield against the Rating of Small Tenements Bill . . . Sir E . WILMOT gave notice , that on the 20 th of February he would move for leave to introduce a Bill for the Summary Conviction of Juvenile Offenders .

      Mr . FAZAKERLY brought up the Report of the Poor Law Committee . Mr . PLUMTREE presented , a petition from cerlain Protestants resident in London , agreed to at alatemeeting at Exeter Hall , in which the petitioners stated that they regarded the admission of Roman Catholics to legislative power as contrary to Christian duty and to tiie principles and character of the British Constitution . ( Hear , hear , and loud laughter . ) . ~ A long debate followed about whether the petition could be received . It was ultimately laid on the table . . .: Mt HEATHCOTE presented ¦ ' . »* petition frofn Tiverton in favour of the Ballot . Mr . PA RKER presented a petition from the coachmasters of the \\ est Riding of Yorkshire against the Post-horse Duties .

      THE GLASGOW COTTON SPINNERS . Mr . WAKLEY presented a petition from Edinburgh , praying the interference of the House for a commutation' of the sentence upon the Glasgow Cotton Spinners ; and also stating that the indictment upon which those men had been convicted , was not according to law . The Hon . Member presented a similar petition from Mr . Gep . Edmonds , of London , attorney-at-law . The Hon . Member presented three other petitions to the same effect—one from Dundee ; one from another place in Scotland , the name of which we did not hear ; and one from the operative cutlers of London . The Hon . Member then presented a similar petition from

      Manchester , signed , within a very short time ., by upwards of 18 . 000 persons . ( Hear . ) As he would bring forward a motion upon this subject on Tuesday next , he would not now dilate upon it , thinking that it was always better to discuss a subiec in that House on a regular motion , than upon ike presentation of petitions , lie would , however , remind the House that he had been pteyented from presenting a petition , a short ; time since , because it x » ntainea an expression which it was thought might be offQBsive to the other House of Parliainent—that expression being that there was a " rabble of Lords "—5 ie peti boners not stating that the House of Lordd was that " . rabble , " nor ^ hat the Lords m their

      Legislative capacity had done any thing to deserve such an appellation . The Hon . Baronet the Member for Oxford ( Sir Robert Inglia ) had said that he ( Mr . W . ) paid great attention to petitioiis . Certainly no man m that House was more attentiv ; e to petitions , or the busmessof the House than himself ( Mr . W ) . But those who were in the habit of presenting their peti - tions , through him to that House had never imputed to the Gentlemen opposite the enme of penury , though they used the homely language of truth . He hoped , therefore , that in future no hyoercnticism would be exercised , on the other side of the House , upon the language of petitions presented by the Liberal Members .

      TRADE 8 COMBINATIONS . Mr . O'CONNELL presented a petition from near 4 , 0000 of the inhabitants of Dublin , signed by the Aiayor , theSherills , several Aldermen , and numbers of persons differing from him inpolitics and religion , complaining of the illegal combinations of workmen in the city of Dublin , which had produced a variety of outrages and several murders . He was sorry neither oT the ^ Members for the University of Dublin ( Mr . Shaw aud Dr . Lefroy ) were present He moved that the pi-titibn be pr inted , to meet the motion of his Honourable Friend ( Mr ^ A \ r aklev ) Ordered to be p r inted . ' .. ' . - ' Mr . VV . DUNCOMBE presented a petition from the Dean and Chapter of Yorkcomlaining of

      cer-, p ta 3 n . cl { ra ? es in the Act relating to the Registration of Births , Deaths , and Marriages ; also a petition from the same body relative to . the Tithe Commutation Act The Hon . Member presented also a petition from the stage-coach proprietors and postmasters of the city of York , praying for a reduction of the duty on post-horses . Mr . LOWTHER presented a petition from the city of York , com plaining of the clause obugins parties to give notiee in case of the registry ot births . v r it' liNkL ] j > presented petiUons from the towns of Reading and Newbury , in the county of Berks , against the abolition of the See of Sodbr and

      . Mr . DEISilSlSON presented a petition from Rye , in favour of the Vote by Ballot ; and a petition frum flie same place , praying the House to re-cousider the Poor Law Amendment Act , and make such amendments therein , as ' might appear neciissaxy . ¦ -. - - ¦ '¦ j .. - . ¦ .. ;¦ ¦ . ... ; Mr . CRESSWELL . presented a petition ; from several lndmduak , praying for compensation for the losses sustained by them , by the capture of their Vessels by the Danes in 1807 . The lion . Member moved , that tiie petition be printed with the votes , ? Siga / £ 5 ) llce ' tliat he in ^ Qded on : Tuesday , the ^ rd of- February , to call the attention of the House to the subject . Lord SANDON presented a petition from Liver-P % 1 ? «^ i sW ? P ^ 0118 . praying the House to rejeotthe Bill tor rating landlords of smalltenements . Jhe Hon . JMember also presented a p ^ titiou in SKbte ' 15 ^ 1111 ^ process for the recovery of

      , Mr , 11 . STEUART presented a petition from the WwS ^ BaL-S " ^ ' « aillst the BeltastWater kJri ^ ^ ?? - ^ ?«* = •; ¦ ¦ ¦ . ¦ . ¦ - . -. ¦¦* . ¦¦ ¦;_ .. . - . ¦¦; -. ' ., . . ¦ . . .. .. . : The order of the day for the House goine into Committee on the Iriah Poor Law Bill having S L ^ M&M ^ h& ? hSn ^^ eec h , moved as au taaenumen ^ % atrit be committed lhat 'aay ^ six montais ; ' ! ri . if ?! 4 ; : v- - ; . ;;" -.:: ¦; uij -., ¦ ¦ ' , : ¦ :- r . ^^ AlSSf ^^ ^ " * k" * : L ° rd JofiKjtuSSELL a- -a \ P ? S F and others took part , the -House dmae $ ^ rhliffiflie numbers wer ^ - ¦ -

      : For fiieot ^ ginal niotipn : " ' . ; ... ; .- . ., ; .... 27 J | , Fpje Mr . iQ '/ ponnell ' s amendment . ' -. ' * , , ! V 2 ff ., , "' - " * 'Maj 6 rl ^ ' ^ auist ^ a ' kmRTiiln )<»^ V * a ^ ¦>" " - i ^ T ntf S ^ J ^* ent iniio tommitte ^ and the p « i-pa « 8 ed tttoonghjBf »^ 5 jr « tc . ' '< - «; - < : w v > - \ CH ^^^ ^ ^^ ^^ ^ 9 fthefiX . N ^^ SfeS ^^^^ ^ pftKofte ^^ ot ^^ pwnxMjtw paalflad nnpjoridedrfor ; 4 J ^' . ^ - ! w » sia ^ 'iiB ^ i ^ a 5 ' SgSPffiiSSSVSSife ' . *? The iiouse then resumed . 8 J

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      mnokfaiEteciiBml *^^ M ^ JERVia said he should «* hrmo * € i that the Billbeforev&e HouBeiftoald beV wfcwtanaittetU \^ hi ^¦ n ^ u ^ ^ ^ mjBU ^^ j i ^^ : ^ sum or money should b © takenby any Overseeer . or oih * r 2 f ^ M ; & ^ M *> i ^ wtfationo % aoy : voter * ' . JFw . p bjeci / he / had ) n yim ww ^ get ria pf the shilling qttitesent wtid at ^ e ' tinie bfregistranori , and which ^ waa ^ objected- to ^ by all parties . ' ' ^ pn' ^ swniaont . 'tl ^ erb'ippe ' j&ecl ''' ' ^ ' ' ^ - ; ; ; Fbr tfe ^^ - ..- . - ¦ ,- ! For ; 'th «; amehdBwriRi ; !^ lv i ,. vi ; . i ^ 7 5-i '; - \* - ¦ ^ lik ^^^^^ 'ii ^^^ ' ^ H- ' - ' -- ^? --ivwiw

      , — " . 'v- VU 4 J . JU UUlCvUU : JTriilfvY * ' " : Mr . BAHM 33 ¥ moved the thWrea ^ mg of the bill for jtljje custody of Insane Persons . t , . ^^ M 6 ^^> U ^) q [ H ^ TON : 'M ^ : % C' ^ AB . ' ^ i ^' : ^ i { contained the- elapses to which " every one haq objected during a former stage he had no alternative ' H ^ t to move the third wading of the Bill on that day six months . ,. ¦ ; : - . - ¦ ¦ ... ' ¦ :: " v ; : ;^ v- : ¦ : ' / - Mr , WAKLEY ^ upporte ^ flie amendmentV " Sir E . KNATeHBULL waaiof opinion that the biU had better be postponed . ' / -,.: ; ; ^ The A ^ TORNEY-GEffERAL' ebneurrea in uie ^ oplnidn that the billhad'biMr be pbsybued After i : « iewi words vfrc ^ jiM ri ; BitlSCQE , the third reading , was postpphednntil Tuesdaynext The '/ Shelins ^ Cpurtl ( Scotland ) ' BUI ^ d ' Court of Sessions ( Scotland ) BiH were' rteommitled , reported with , amendments , ^ and further con aideratipn , ordered for Monday fortaight . . 1

      M ^ O'CONNE ^ gave ' notice of a bin tofacilitate the / proof of bribery jit elections of Members of Porliament , by , compelling witnesses to : make a full disclosure of the facts , and to idemnify such witnesses . " <' - ' fl ' ¦' . '• ' r ' -H- - ; - i-v . ; : ; - . ' - - v ¦ " ¦ ¦ ' ¦ i > $ ' . ' - ' - - " - ¦ Colonel SIBTHORP hoped the bfflWonl'd apply toher Majesty ' s Government . V' : ; - ; : : . Lord * MORPETH obtained leave to bring infa rail to enable Graiid Juries of the Connty of the vi& $ { of . tVaterford to mak ^ presentments at the Sunng ^ ssizes for the year , \ 838 ; jtor the houses ol mdnstryof said counties . - ; > - ' 1 / ; : f TheATTORNEY-GENERAL gave notice that on Tuesday next he should brihgina bill tti amend the . law . ot registration ; of voters iu Eiigland- aiid Wales , and which would contain a clause abolishing the shilling , v v : r : : ' : ¦¦/¦ -: ; :: r :-:.,, : : '/ - : ; -- . f Tiie other Orders of the Day were then disposed of , nnd the ¦ . ¦ ¦ Hous e ^^ adjourned at Half ^ past twelve ,

      HOUSE OF LORDS . SATURDAY , Feb . 10 / ,- ¦ The House me { at 3 6 'clpck . V The Lord CHANCELtdii , the Earl of Shaftesburv , andi Lord Gleselg , took their seats as Her ^ Majesty ' s Commissioners . The Commons were summoned , and having appeared at the bar ; thefRoyal assent was given to the Canada Government Bill . Adjourned . V ; . '

      HOUSE OF COMMONS . ¦' - ] : ' ¦ ¦ ' . - ; : : ' : saturdaYvFeb . io /;; ' ¦ ¦ ¦' ¦¦ ¦ - ¦; The SPEAKER took'the ^ chaif at 3 o ' clock . Mr . RICE moved the order ^ f the day . : ' ... Mr « BERNAL brought up the report of the committee of supply . ¦ Mb RtCJE gave notice , ; that on Monday next he should move for a cpmihittee of ways and means . A message was then announced from the Lords , requesting the . attendance , of the Comnious to hear theRoyal assent givento a certain bill , Th « SPEAKElt , iaccompanied by several members , accordingly proceeded to the House of Lords ; and on their roturn , ¦ The SPEAKER informed the House that the Royal assent had been given to ^ the Canada GbverhmeutBill . ¦ . ¦ ;¦ ¦• " ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ .: ' ¦ .. ¦•'¦¦ " . ¦ : ' ¦ " . ¦¦¦¦¦

      Mr . E . J . STANLEY moved thkt a writ be issued for the return of a meniber for Tipperary , in the place of Richard Lalor Sheil , Esq ., who had been , appointed one of the Commissioners of Greenwich Hospital . Lord HENNIKER preseiited a petitibn from some union in Suffolk in favour of the Rating of Snvtll Tenements Bill . J Sir W . SOMERVILLE . presented " ' a petition from Drogheda against the monopoly of th « Bank of Ireland .: - . - . ' . ¦/ ;•¦; . '¦ ¦ : ¦¦ ¦ . ' ¦ : '' , . ; . : ,, . : ' . ¦ ,.: ;; ¦ ' - . "¦ . ¦' . ' .. ¦ . The House adjourned at half-past 3 o'clock until Monday . "¦ ¦ ; - ' : ¦/ -.. /¦ ' ¦ - ¦ ¦ . " .- . ;' .. :

      HOUSE OF IiORDS . MONDAY , Februauy 12 . In the Hpuso of Lords there was no business of public interest . f --HOUSE OF COMiVlONa

      . NEW POOE LAWS . Mr , FIELDEN presented thirtyjaetitions against the New ' Poor Law , from thirty different parishes and hamlets of Norwich and its vicinity , sigiied in the aggregate by 7 , 611 persons . Also a petition From sixtyrtwo inhabitants of the parish of Hunslonj Sussexj also , frpai the parish of Downin ^ ton , Sussex , signed by foifty-two persons ; from Pagbam , Sussex , signed by : 210 ; from six huiidred inhabitants of the City of Chester . Also a petition' from Weston-urider-Penyard ^ HeTefordshire , sighed by every labourer in the parish , and by thirteen put of the fifteen farmers of the parish j also from the parish of Linton , j- ; Herefordshire ^ signed by , 220 persons ; also from certain inhabitants of ¦ the City of Hereford , signed by 1 , 053 personsi » From fBroonisidev Durham , a petition , signed by 384 persons . All these

      came from agricultural districts , and all prayed for a total repeal of the New Poor ; LaWv The Honv Member also presented several petitions , having the same prayer , from manufacturing districts . From a public meeting of the township of SKeritf-hill , Newcastle-upon-Tyne ; gjgned by the Chairman ; from a public meting of the townshi p of Lochwopd , Yorkshire , signed by the Chairman ; fr 6 m Clayton , m the parish of Bradford ^ signed ; by 930 persons ; froin Hyde , Cheshire , signed by 2 , 815 ) persons ; from Tpi-egevLanenshire , signed b y 160 ; from Huddersfield , signed by 9 , 564 ; fromOssett cum Gawthorp , Yorkshire , signed by , 880 ; from Gawthorp , signed by 20 b "; froni' the townshi p of Fixb yV signed by 70 from Luithwaite , Yorkshire , signed by 6 / 2 ; and * from Ublcar * also in Yorkshire , signed by 69 ( 1 ! . - ' " The total number of signatures to these petitions being ¦¦ ¦

      2 « , 552 . . . ¦•¦ .. ¦ ¦ . •¦ ..:. - ¦ - . ;¦ - ; . - .,-, -:. - ¦ ; Sir G . " . STRICKLAND suppoTted the prayer of the petition , Avhich was ordered to be referred to the Committee oiij ; the Poor Laws . Petitions were also ^ presented from the County of Cork , U y Mr . Hariitg , tbr the Ballot ,, and the abolition of tithes ; from Manchester , by Mi . PhilUps , for National Education jiromDundalk , by Mr , Reddington , for the Abolition ; of Tithes' in Ireland from : Dumbartonj by Mr . Colciuhoun , a ^ tinst certain Clauses in the Sheriff ' s County BUI ; from Ashton , by Mr . Hindley , for the Ballot , Extension of the Suftra » e , and Shortening of Parjiamentsfrom Sedburfeh , by Sir Geo . . Strickland ,, for the Abontiou of Negro Apprenticeship .

      BREACH OF PRIVIlEliE .,, Mr . W AKLEY said it wiasAvith : very great regret that he ever spoke in the lahguage of complaint , but unfortunately , he was very often calltfd upon to do so . ; H , ehad a very strong objection to every thing in the shape of \ uifaiT play . He alluded to the practice of the pre ^ , as connected with that House . tVith regard to the press , personally , he had up complaint to ^ jnake v either bejpre he had the honour pf a seat in that Jlpuse , -Oj" since . On the / contrary , the press , ' haji rendered him an essential service . ; \ y i ^ iout its aid , he never ; Ayould have ^ obtained the situation he now held . For a lon ^ : Series of years he had been honoured with its abuse ( laughter ) he was that abuseowed

      mured toits » abase , ^^ i ^ d to he the Wouit honour of a seatiii * that Hou ^ ei' Hehadno blame to attach to itj'for his own part- ^ -he had' no complaint to . makeagainst it peraonally , but on the putt ; -of the working millions of Eugland , he had to complain in ^^ the mpat severe ^ if not in a loud manner . Qjp . Friday last ., he -presented to the Hpus ^ seven or eight ^ petitipns ^ pn behalf of the Glasgow cotton spinners . ' Hef was sorry to go into this ; dis ^ cussion-rhe lipped ^^ the Speaker , would '; befray anxiety—it was with , relu . ctance he adverted to it : but he wished honouraolpfmenibers tp bear in mind that if the privileges of the House : ' vyete to be'brdkeh they ( JuKht to' ^ ^ be ^^ Viol ated ! with ' strict impartialitv .

      He ^ stated ; agamjthat , indJLvidtiallyy-he ' had no , cbmplaint to ibake . He was utterly regardless ^' pT . what .-eyer cause the . Press migh ^ pursue' wita- regard to himeel ^ but hethad presented to the House ^ even or , eight petitions , p . raymtthe , House to interfer ^ wit ; h the Crown'for w 16 mihgatibn of the punisn ' meii ^ or the GlsiSgow cottpnjJ spinners . . v 3 fo : ^ h ( i ¦ ! Mdr ^ mgi C 6 » t »? ic ^' -NewMaper there ^ was an entire cinussfion of every one ; of , th ^ se pe ^ ons ^ yal ' th ' ough ; one . of them bpntaineduj&War < is ' 'p r ^^'' eight ^ h tnbusana ^ sig'S natures . ( Hearf Tiear- ) ^ Thal-j& ^' ofcilJseif might De . ofHttle important ; , but what followed ? - tEhe Honourable ; aiul Xearnea Member W'Dubfin * me Ctxnt-ixJt # i " ( Vk ^^«^ -t ^ iw ^ vTJ > M ' A '< t ' iiiik < iilLlri ( AaJiVt . ' ^ -s . x « ^ M ^ 'k ' t ftai - . ... ? ui ¦

      _ < , 'cu a uguuuu uuiucuinvciy tuusT' nim- ^ Bna-tnat petttion beipg from- fte . i » 0 ithant ^ traders of Du blip , a description was giyen of its cphieht&isi ( keMomiriffChrthimi . Ihwimi'hew ^ papepitbtre were > two linde of noticei ^ tb'regard to ttftt , j ^ titicm ^ M ^ , > Vakley , presenjed sey ^ l , $ * $ * %° ™ & uf H ° asem favour pf the GIasgbw ; Cott 6 n SpinnerV" But iir ^ the succeeding linefffiere waW '' Mr . O'Coime % nre 8 ente 4 *^ Utionfrom pubfe signed by , 4 , 000 inhabitants , inch ^ diug the bankers , merchants , and , traders ofthat place . Nowbebegged td ' asac plainlyQiei qnestiofi } / ij « ttijHf HdtisfrprftSred

      $ D $ &l ^! 3 }* 8 * at ^^ the same ^ tim ^ anjact of wefrihnwtce tO : be \ coinmitfed r ^ Hear ^ : ; ' I 5 pny fifen ; M ^ emWr t ^ irhlMisiderHBife Gla ^ bW cSftoh-steBi neMltoJje . gnuty ? b »^ itj ^^ t nQt ) to b » . wih ^ TO nv n ^^ e , publ | cj . Aa ^ eje . w ^ fe hundreds of dwfs » h < t ^ tem this kinKdom w > o ;<» nsiaered : ihe ' sentenpe on thesi mfin , a « 'tVemg far % P harsh { they took an mterestin thesu&ringsofthpsa uufo ^ tunate individualsi and grayed through ^ tatiPhs to that House far a mitigation of the sentence . He did not intend to make any motion on this subject , but ; he begged leave , for the information of the House and the

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      WWfete ^ teJi on Fndaylasthejoresented pe& don ^ frbmthrTrndei of rMm ^ burgh , from the Umted Labourer * of Ed ^ buifh , UnitedoperfsU ^ Masons of ; Scbtlmd » $ q ^ ^ OpwMiveCgrkCutters , tiie Inhabitaats , x > f Lmwood , and the Trades inil . Working Claases of Dundee . 1 He hadonty to say in conclusion ' , whatever might be the consequences to himself , and whateuer nngh ^ ^ that if a siinllar ^ cpurse of mjU 8 tice" 1 ) e ' pursued on future pecasiontheshould feartesslf and perseveriflgly exercif e , the , ptiyaege which he had a right to exercise in ftat House , and call the atitentipjaof the . S pe ^ ef . tid'tneffact of there-b ^ mg strangers in"the Houseiand conseqaently ' to the exclusien of strahgers firdm it ^ becausQ it was far better , in hjs ppinio % with reference to the Droceedines of thie' AssembW . th ^ t thnst *

      proceedings should not be ' Trepprted incorrecUy ^ an d with an apparently . premeditated view toi-create illusipn and . ¦ miscpneeptip ^ in the public mind * -r-[( H ^ a r ^ andibtieenng . ) ^^^ Hiving made thpt pledge , to ^ hifehhte would resolutely ^ adherev and from V ? Mch npconsideration on earth >? ould induce him to depart , he would present , the fpllpwin ^ peti ^ on ^ -rfi ^ m fthe operative united masons of ^ mDurgh ' ^ - fr 6 m ^ the working classes of Leed ^^ frpm tbjB IaHngtonlWork ihg Men's As ^ odatipn—from the working qlaMes of London ^ in ; public ; " ineeting assembled at the ' Me-. chanic ' s Institution , ^^ ^ Southaibpton ' -buildinga— -from the ^ CumloclctWorkinjac Men's AssobiatibnT--and from Dalkeith- ^ -all we beueve in 7 favour of a , mitigation of the aentence on the . Glasgow Cotton Spihners . r

      | " _ ;[ :. ^; ¦ - ¦; : DUBLIN TBAPIS ; UNIONS . f ¦ ' ' " : ' - ¦ ' f TheTHori . ^^ MBfeR then p ^ from ! lthe stucco p lasterers of Dublin , ' which related to- the character of the working ; meii of Dublin ; The petitipiaersLdehied the allegations which hkd been made agatEs ^ themi ' ^^ ^ ey Prayed for an xhauiry into Trades' Unions in general , and particularly into the constitution and conduct of their own body . As the petition frpm fliose rpspectable per-Isotis , the merchanfe , bankers ^ &c ., of Dublin was printed and circulated with the votes , he should move that the . pet . itipn which ; he now presented ,: be also printed and ordered with the vptes .- ^ -Orderedi " Sir WILLIAM MOLESWOKTH gave notice that on the : 6 th of March he "Would move than an

      hiunble address bejaresented to her Majesty from this House - , to the effect ;^ at the Houser re spectfully expressed it « ppinipn thatin th&present crituial state of-her Majesty ' sforeign ppssessipns ,. it is important that , fthe Colonial Minister should be a person in whose forethought , diugence , vigilance , and skfll , this House and the country at large could confide ; and that with all the due regard to the prerogative of the Crown , this House could riot place confidence in the present Colonial Secretary , ' Mr . LEADER presented a petition praying for tin inyiiry into the Glasgow Cptton Spinnera' Asspciation .. , „ ¦ ; . - ' /¦ "¦¦;~ : "¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ . " . ' ¦ : ¦ ' ,, .. ; " : ¦ . " ¦ ¦' - ; r ; " . - An HON . ; MEMBER presented a petition ' for the Repeal of certain clauses in the New Poor LawBiil .

      Mr , SANDFORD presented a petition frdm some place in Spmersetshire against the system of Negro Apprenticeship in the Colpnies , - Mri SANFOJtD also , presented a petition from the same county in favour of the Ballot .-: ' An HON . MEMBER presented a petition in favour of Poor Laws for Ireland ; . Sir R . FERGUSON presented a petition from the North of Ireland against the Irish Poor Law Bill , or for various amenduients in the same - Lord FRANCIS EGlvI ^ TON presented ^ . petition from a parish in the County 'pf Lancaster against the Now Poor Law BiH . : : v ' ¦ ; Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved thei Order of the Day for the Hpu ; e resolving itself into a Committee of the whole Hohse upon the Poor Relief ( Ireland ) Bill . : - N

      Mr . O'CONNELL moved as an amendment the omissipn of the words empowering the Gommissioners to examine witnessesou oath . The House divided—For the amendment ..................., „ ., jj Against it .:........ ^ ... ^ ....................... 14 s Majority ^——71 ¦ Thel 3 th , 14 th and 15 th clauses were agreed to . The Chairman reported progress and obtained leave to sitagain . The House then / resolved itself into a Committee of : Wiiys : and Means .- . ' x On th

      The House ha \ ing resumed the report was ordered to be received to-morrow . The other orders of the day were then disposed of and at twelve o ' clock thehouse adjourned .

      HOtFSE OF LQItDS . ' TUESDAY , FebiuUUy 13 . ; Sundry petitions were presented for the Ballot , the abolition of Negro Apprenticeship , < fcc . # Lord STANHOPE presented a petition from the inhabitants of HUddersh ' eldj praying their Lord-Rhips to take "into cbn « deration the case of the Glasgow Cotton Spinners , and that the House would be pleased tp hear their t \ vp leading Counsel at the bar .. - . ¦ : ¦ ¦ ¦ ..: ¦ ::. ¦ . ' ¦ . . ' - ; --- -r •"¦ . •; . - . ¦ ¦ . •• , ¦ . ¦ ; ¦¦ .. .. ¦ ,. - . ¦ - ¦ ' Thisi JointStock Banking ^ B 21 wa 3 read a first time / , ¦ . ¦¦ .. ; ., ¦¦ ' . ¦ ¦ . - . ¦¦ . ¦ \ ' -: ' [ ¦• ' ; ::- . ¦ . ¦ . . , - ;; : , ' The House adjourned to Thursday .

      HOUSE OF COMMONS . JSEW POOR tAWS . An Hpnourable Member on the opposition side of the House presented a petitipn , which he said was desehing of the attention of the House in a more than ordinary degree ; ¦ " It was froni . the town of Leicester / and signed by 33 of the most respectable gentlemen of the town , twelve of them resident clergy . The petitioners stated that they were the Committeei 01 the Leicestei | General Prp \ ident .: arid Berie ' volent : f Spciety , the object of which was to distribute funds raised by voluntary subscription for the

      relief pt the distressed manufacturers during the late commercial euibarrassriieuts : that they had had opportunities of witnessing ' , | he operatiPn of the New Poor Law , and that they cprisidered various of itsprb \ Tsionsirijurious : andoppressive . They prayed the House that power might be given to the Poor Law Guardians in the manufacturing ^ districtsy to grant temporary Put-door ¦ te'lief ¦ . to persons unable to pb tain eriiplojinent . Although he had been hirii self a supporter of th ^ : present Poor Law , and was pppp 8 ed to any modification of it , he nevertheless thought this petition deserving the special Attention of the House .

      ; . i , DORCHESTER LABOURERS . Mr . ' WARD presented a petition from ShenVeld , compliiningof the conduct other Majesty ' s Govern merit , in having allowed so long a period to elapse before measures were taiteri forf the Return of the Dorchester Labourers to this country ; and praying for a Committee to inquire into the cause of that extraordinary d&lavi ( Cries of " Hear , hear , hear . " ) As he ( Mr . W . ) observed the Under Secretary for the Colonies in his place , he trusted that he would

      be eriabled to give some account of the cause of that delay . ; ' - : ; ' ; ¦ . ; - . ¦ .- '; : - ¦ : ' ¦¦ ¦ ;; :. / : ;• : ¦ '" . ;¦¦ : ¦; , ^ ir G . ; GREY said that no delay . whatever had taken place incarryirig into eflect the intentions of her MajestyV . : Government , which had been annouricedsblnetitne back . In 1836 the patdon of the : . different prisoriers , had been sentv out to the Colonies . He could only account for . the delay in their return upon theaground which / so ft-equently pecurred , that ) they found ^ ^ that they Were enabled to do much ; better for themselves in that counti-y than they could in England ; ¦ f . ' ( Cotiiiriuid in qvt fourth piige . J

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      uttx'juhs to A 2 fi > -ratoBrmtr-j . rzsuDSM wr r ^ Yo ^^ iloiUf with Me « sn ^ Ma » irelL GillSi . and . others , have laboured , hard 4 al wnelioratar the condition of the hand-loom weaversu W endeavonr W h *** , * 8 ? 8 ten > ° ? uidi ^ toal competition , which fotagabte" exertions have tailedto ^ ep ^^ tnraesn ^ object , you are . feat t ^ e Jew taffitlea io tt ^ grathuae and ^ gtee m ; of- ev ery ngBt-hearted indivfd iiaL rWe are hot wititout Hbiw ^ atir 6 ornia ¥ vpl sult ^ om these d ^ terest&d ^ IabouM' ilsfiS fac ^ ave beeirje ^^ of the Government : and thomrh thftv l , aViV ; ii , S 2 r

      bppPsea ytouri 8 U ^ ge | t ? piB , ^ if 6 ugli $ 9 urse % 1 S they may , be obuged to , WVJfh ^ eaWesiota iriore feneralriatnre j Which mayprdre 6 g % tfllybeneficial n themeantone , itimay be-grataying foryou to ^ J - ^ ^ e a e Wfteppai j 3 testration ! of the benefaciar tendency /^ of a measure similar / to that which yotfhave advocatedbin--jfli ©¦ regulation of prices «> ^^> £ S ? b 6 en W ° P ^ tip | j in this : Ipcality since 18 « V ^ Though the heartlesfs condnci ' of a few uhnnncipled sp > culatdrs has at- tnne ^ dwtnrbed the harmony which usuatty . prevails , ^ between the major ^ "" ipl PJ Mi Aft , ! ^^ S ^ . ^^ ^ -W ' ' ^^ Vp ^ ' ^^' i ^ 6 fflttBa throughout . - This ^^ has been effected chiefly throufii uusvrunienca 01 union

      > . ne uiy , anfl tniw we . nave en « deavoured tp compensate thei ^^ want ^ ^ pf legislative protection . ' But the coiirse at present ptoued by OConneli and some other " professedMendsof ft « P ^ PPl ??; whp are twpmuch ^^ ^ ra the . ; existin § Govennrient ; 19 creaUi ^ consiaprable alarm m this qnarfer , lest it be" m conte ' mplation to introduce a measure for the purpo ? e of depriving us P ^ Mde of protecting ^ , only ^ pital-r-labour 1 nerefore , I havebeen instructed to inquiry whether yottare ^ aware M fey ^ p lans beingprogressVhavnjtr for ite object the suppression of Tra ^ es ^ Unions . * Any infpnnation from you on this ^ subject will very much oblige Sirj / f ; f " "; - ¦ " ^ ,:. y - ^ ; - Yonrpb ^ \

      ; P . S . —Commissipners have been , appointed to inquire into the condition of the handioom weaverswhat are they doing ? ' . ¦ ¦ u /\ 'v ' - ^ -: 2 ' :- ' - -- ' i r John Fielden , Esq ., M . P . ; - _; . f ;; ^ ;; . . ; ¦ , ;/ v . f v ^¦ " ^ V .: ^ ^ V ' i ¦ V ' . ;•^ ' ^? na on , Peb ; 3 , ¦ i 838 ^¦ " » iRf—It is evident scdisposition exists in themind ' g pf many in the House ot Commons , to ^ either put down or frustrate the attempts of Trades' Uniorirtb uphpld wages ^ in ^ the manner they have latterly enleavoured to do . What measure will be mtroduced ^ o effect this , I do riot know ; but Lord John tussell said in the House of Commons , a few days back , ' before I had arrived in towri ^ in answer to *

      question put tp fhira by Sir Robert Peel , that it wag the intention of Ministers to . bring in some measure on the subject . O'Conriell ' s late course also shows that such a measure is proposedt © he brought forward . . I trust it \ vill not succeed ; the wbrkmg men should be ori the alert ; and " petition throughout ^ the country against any revival of the comDii nation laws , or any apprPxim ^ tion to it . ' . I do not know w ; hat the commission pri . handoom weavers are doing ; but you wiU hear"by and bye , or I will moot the question , f ' I am , Sir , your obedient servant , :

      _ ,, , JQHN FIELDEN . "• 5 . —I « ee Mr . Wakley has a motion on-the books for Tuesday next , relative to the Glasgovr cotton ^^ spinners , ^^ whe n spm ethmg : may be developed on the subject you inquire . . , : . Mr . JohnWood , - r f Weavers' Secretary , Paisley ^ - f " ; : , Lpnclpri , Febrriary 6 th , 1838 . Sir , —Mr . Wakley will not bririgloia his motion until Tuesday next . I shall be glad to give him all the support in my power to obtain a renussion of the sentence of the poor spinners . It appears to me froin all the tacts ; I have collected ^ that they are victims of a grpssf system of oppression . I am , Sir , your obedient servant , V , TT _ , JOHN FIELDEN , Mr .. Henry Dunn .: '¦ ' f-f :: .-. v- ; : ¦¦ ¦ " ., -. --. ' . ' ¦¦¦ ¦ ' : •• '

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      . CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN JVtESSRS O'Connex » x . &xm < vUi garET . To the Editor of the Champ ion * f Sir , —I send you the following correspondeuce . requesting you wrill publish the same in your excellent paper ; by dpiiigtoj you will greatly obhge your devoted well-wisher ,-¦

      r ..: ¦/ , GEORGE JULIAN HARNEY . TO DANIEL O'CO ^ ELL , ; il . iP . ¦ V ^ - Tan ^ - -c ¦ L ondon , Dec . 22 jlpr , rJi ; &ir ,-rv » "a pur becomes every ^ man in the honest pursu « ot fruth arid justice .: I , ^ thefeforeS caridialy avow-to . you , that , actuated by a sense of'jthe injury si ninicted upon my order , the working classes , by . your speech , as fepprted in thei public papers , delivered in the House of Commons * on the pecasipn of he presentation by D . W . Harvey ; iof rtiie petition "> frPrii Glasgow . Pn Thehalf ; nf tliA f ! n » t « T , fininw . ^ - ;*¦

      was my mtenhpn , and is stfll , should thV ' serifimenfe " herein contained be either directly or tacitly ic . ; knpwleged , -to move in the Wqrkmg . M ; en % Asso- / ciation resolutipns condemnatory of your conduct . But , Sir , before doing so , I deemitriecessaryi as ' - a justificatory step , as well owing to myself as to you , to transcribe the speech to which I aUude , arid to requireEither your confirmatibri or contradiction of the same . - . - ¦'• v :- ~ " .-. : ¦ . " ¦¦ .. - ¦ ¦¦ : /; . ¦; v : .-a---- .-. . : ¦ , - . ¦¦ :- .

      " Mr ; P'GoNNELL observedf that . one thing > Was : clear from , the statements , which had just been made to the'Housebythe ^ Is oble , and Learned ' Lerd , arid by the Hon . aiid Learned ^ Gentleman who * had just addressed it , and / thatjwas , that one of the - most horrible assassiuatipns ever perpetrated had be 6 n perpetrated on a man ^ rettifnin g tohishdirie from his daily ladpur , and that no activityto ^ discover > the murderers had been displayed ; by ^^ those who had shown great aeti \ ity in thetf other operations . I here was another ; subject arising ' out ' ofthis dig . cussion which he must be . permittedfehortly toad- ' vert . He belieyed ; it / would be necessary to brine these cpmbinafioris of trades ^—npfthat He objected

      to men ^ combining openly for r the-pcrpc ^ rbf raising wages- ^ -under the consideration ^ pf f $ he :. House ' , and to prohibit them , unless : the jpartie ^ held their meetuigs in public , after due ripticer , publicry given m the presence of a constable or some other , coris'tituted : authphty . ' ^ ;; ., ;> f , . ' ,:: . ;; ,. ¦ ¦ .. " ' , ^\^ ^^ - ^ / ., ; •¦ Sir , you ^ pwe it toyourself , yo ^^ oVe ' it to the reputation upon which you have given s « - many- aridicacations tiiat . you pride ypursejlf rtlhe reputation of bemg considered the working men > friend and * iyocate ,- aye , . ' and their retained &fvqeate ; ; tob , tp substantiate or repndidte ^^ the i assertion cducained

      in the above ^ quotation , v :- ' .: '• : ¦ . ;¦ :, - } ,: .: [; . : ' ^ W in saying that I : await ' youc' reply , I deem it necessary to' observe that rstiaD consider it incumbentPn me to pubUsh m th . ^ inew 8 papersi this cpmmumcation , ; arid , your . repljifAif any there be 1 infer , " Sir , that a week hence , ' from the Idat ' e hereof ^ will * e ; sufficienttime'to ^ recBive Vthe same . In conclusion , I beg to ^ sayythat ^ am-one deter-^ ed . , to ., '' ¦ 8 ^ n d ; b ¦ y . ¦^ my . p ^ dei ?/^ and ¦ to ^¦ dendunc ¦ e , whenever ^ opportunity * ervesV and ^ o'ri l ( % itiriiate foundation , any apostotizirignuacreant wk-p vauntme ) j iprpclaima : himself the . Chan ^ ion of Liberty , while he thwarts her potency , and prevents the developmentof hereriergies . " l-amv SiR , < fec v ; V « tV 1 ; cr W £ , * W ^ fJABNEY . 18 , Duke Street , Lincpha' 8 Tinn-iield 8 . , I

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      ; - ^ iiPosUierwtidiha Garrespmttenc ? . , ^ - * wre §^ i ! Wm « e ^ y O ^ onneli ( B Jettejr thatmv f manners" rand " iapfalV ^ notsuitfegithe ' virtuous ^ ohon « of the pure , tu ^ iaun « cBlftte * fctiberator , —the vde slindererotflie » 9 fiting cjasee ^ . he replies fojmy / . quefetions thrpugii . Mr . Cteave f ; feat is to Way , JreHas-afdreSeCa 'long / lkteY fe ^^^^ ^ orife ' sses Mfe f « f »^ : < jj » m ^«^ w ;^ h&l reported speech , be . . bufee ^ closei tkg {« aidJ § ttejE rjinder cobr fe . Mr , Cleave , le ? fnng , ijt optional witli him * to give ijfc to " nie or tcf ^ witah&H itS % & % Ljiffii& 6 ti , fir . Clea ^ ref&efl'iodef 4 copy »; a ? d subj ^ u ^^ tiy ^ mnii ttedifcto the sa fegnard of the f Mf or ^ ing Ivfents A ssocTa ^ if ; ' and in defiance ofthe repeated ^ remSnstraricea ^ f myself a id ptherfmeffifen ^ lhe ^ ^ ft * M » i < # wjte # k suppms ^ tnau

      ana rop junaer tne plea tast'they w « re unwilhng- to let > the ^ blictkndwr / thfpihaili « meinlfer a ^ g ^^ UP wpuW , miik&W ^ 4 fie { lang ?^ e I .-had dope jn ' my letter ¦ ¦ " to ^ O ^ btAeTir ' lf'l haV « acted unb ^ pmni ^ l memftSf of'ffiaf'& ^ wliydo . w not the A ^ sotdation cenaure ^ pr rexpel me from the ir ranks ? : ! This they have , ' not done . The language I nse ^ Id ^ regtwti&i- ' ^ n ^ ttteW ^ alf parties , let ? the Association forthwith ftablisnv the- « i ppre « sed l « WeiV » r , Itetrtiieni ( or ¦ rathet the ^ lj ^ ers )^ confetaf ; . ; tha | the ; ireal . motive for riot publishmgjlhecorres ^ rid : ^ enfee ^^ Qat fliey' ^ isTi tom eW& ^ QMi from wM jn ^ &dignatibn " qf / ;^ done my ; dnty : ; the insults pf ^ O ' jCphpell I fling baclc with 8 cprn { and " consciotts of my ^ 6 wS '' aifegrity , I def y the calumnies of sham-patriots and trnckui g pohticians . :. ^( ij ; ¦ •' . ¦ ¦ / : ' : ¦ f : 'f - ^ - \^ : . " - London , Feb .: P . 1838 . : G . J . H ,

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      T ( M b ' 7 TO GEORGE iULIANbHARNEY . { ¦ ^¦' ^ r ^ r : ^ - ' : - ' ^' V-1 . :: h :--: ' ^ ' * X ; r : ' Dje& 25 ilS&l ; . Sir ,--Your letter is framed in rachamanner as to give ^ meno very ^^ favourablefiriipr ^ ssiori ' pf either lour manners or ypur moralsilitberefom to the " Wovkuig Men ' sJ Association ^'' 1 sendfmr answer to yourcharge' to Mr ^ Gfe 4 yeV 4 j < ShPeLane Fleeit . ; Street , « iving 2 himofull , powej } ^ .. publislV or W ^ ^ to send to you ; or ; wilhhpld : that answer . flevvill or ; can ^ ublish :: yaarle . tter as wel as mine . ^ -There is nothing s yout le tter : to ; ina 1 ttfme at ) ail deswowto QOA « liate rypur . 9 pinion v outiheicontiary prnk- ^^^ ^ i MM 0 f tr " ^ : - ^ s - ^ - ^ , ^ ' ©^ Nte ^ 'EQNELll . ± ^^^^^^^ Dubhife , ; K ^^ t $ : ¦ ¦ > :

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      YQTES 01 ^ ' THE YORKSHIRE AND L ANCASHIRE'MEMBERS ON THE FOLLOW ^ ¦ ¦¦ .: ING' DliVilSIONS ...:: ¦ - -:.:. Y ( ' -r ^ -: U % ¦¦ : ¦ , . . . . . .- ?; ; Poor belief ^ Ireiarid ) BiH .---6 rder for Committe& tead - ; Motion ' made ' . arid Question prpppsed- ^ - ^ That Mr ^ Speaker dc ( noyr leav ^ the > chnirV , ' 1 Amendmenjt proppsed j ,. tc > 1 le , av ^ i diit . . frpn ^ tJUe ; wbird / YtttaV ' ' ^ o ^ he ' end of the ^ uestiouy in order to add the wprds " this £ ousedbresblfe itselfinto 1 thes ^ d G ^ iniftee upon thisaayisix ' months , ' - instead thereof , j Question ; put l iJThat } the ^ words proposed to be ^ l eft out s ^ and part pf ,: ;^ . Question . '' The House dividedUAyes "

      ¦' ; l % j ^ iiTY ^ --AYKS .- ^ E . Baines , ^ . Bethel !; 13 ^ Prpadley ^ ^ Brotherton , W . Busfield ^ fe . S ^ CJayi feyk i Hotii - ; J ; . C . a Dundas , ' ;> C > : 1 : Hindley i liGeneral Johnsop , Hsptoii ; "W .: S-LasceUes , ] £ ,. , , 6 . > ListeE Vis ^ ottrit Mprpeth , JY fW . Patten , E . ^ ProtherPe ' H . Rich ^ Sir C * Style , T . ¦ : ¦ TMprriel y / & Walked Hi-S .- Wardv Yr ^ Wilberforcey ¦ W . B ; YTrigh ^ on ' J , 'Parker ^ :: rv , . ^! , V :. ; : . / . / , -, ^ . ; , : ;¦;¦ : ; . ; : f- ; : ^ ;;¦ : * _ j i MiSoRiTy ; ---NoE 6 . ^ -- Honi-Wl Duncpritfce , ^ -i j Parliamentary : Electors aid Freemen ^ iUX ^ orted fry-Motion made and Question prqposed j- — That ttie amendments must be now t ' ead a second

      time ;'' :- AmendiueritprppoBe 4 i ^ to-leave oat fro nt the wroriaj' ^ a | ^ the ' ito ^ he fend of-the Question * ija order to add the words , " bill be recommitted ' ipstead ^ thereof . Question ^ pu ^; Thkt lie words proposed to b « left put stand part of ihe . Question . " The /^^ e ^ vided ^ Ayesj ¦ ' ¦¦ 153 ^ ' ! N < 9 esyv 78 i ;; .: r : ; . V ;/ f Mi ^ j ' orti ^ V ^ AYB ^ i ^ E ; 'Baine 9 i <^ ^ pu ^ Bldj ^ E ; S ^ Cayieyj G . ^ rnah ^ Gerieral Jbhniionj * E . XJ . Listery Tisfeourit iMprpfethj -J , ? ark ) Br , tE . ProtherPe , H , Rfch , "W ^ B . ei Stansi field ^ Itt . Horiv 0 . P . Thomson , XJ ; ^ Wopdi 7 a ? iMiNOBiTY ^ KoES . ^ W ' , Boiling ; H . Broadley J . Forti Yiscpunt Saridon , Rt . iSon . Sir E . Sugden . W . Wilfeerforce ,

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  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), Feb. 17, 1838, page 6, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct993/page/6/