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      tiie following marring , but it * m negatrrea by * Urge m w ? W . Beggs . Nottingham , ' ^! ^ . T * £ ^ S 2 r 5 sri : s 2 M » fit 5 sj ; SS'STo JS ' tS lowast ptch of moral and ri ^ fLrdetoseiDent by class-legislation , and therefore , fiF 5 fiu * ftbT t £ » bad come when they ought to ^ l ^ & meriffto deliver the people from the ^ Sr ^ Se % P »« 5 on by whi ch they were ma-Sd ^ fhear , be £ ) Wben he first took up this mcWBaent , the principles ef radical reform -were not in the ascendant He had heen connected with the old political unions , and although at one time he contem plated devoting hia time and energies te the promotion

      of temposEce , and the spread of education , hi * attention was at length directed very forcibly to the state of tbe people , and be saw that there was so prospect whatever of obtaining political justice , excepting by giving to them the franchise— ( hear , hear . ) He therefore signed the declaration ef Mr . Starve , and he waa anxious to see . the Six Pointa involved in the bill , to pass into a law—( hear , hear . ) Every day impressed in B « troDg degree upon bis attention the necessity of conceding that great meed of justice to the people . At the last Conference many crotchets were introduced , but he rejosced to ray that the people were now more united , and he believed that no opposition could prerent the Six Points being carried—( hear , hear , bear . ) He had the same confident reliance as he ever had that

      That was true wonld prevail , and that what was false woold perish , because it was the nature of troth to flourish under the most discouraging circumstances , and it was the nature of errorto destroy itself . —( hear , tosai-i fie bad seen & Bill which had been prepared for recognising the Six Points , and it became his duty to direct their attention to the fonr resolutions which were alluded to in the fourth paragraph of the programme . Mr . Beggs then read the following resolutions : 1 . —That this Conference convened in conformity with & resolution passed at the first Complete Suffrage Conference , held at Birmingham , April 4 th—8 th , 1842 , and having for its paramount object the consideration of the necessary details of a bill embodying the

      principles then agreed upon , viz : —The extension of the Suffrage to all male adults , not deprived of the rights of citizenship by a verdict of a jury of their countrymen—vote by ballot—equal electoral districts—abolition of a property qualification for members of Parliament—payment of members for their services—and jtT » -nn » 7 Parliaments ;—do now declare its adoption of tbes »> principles ; pledges itself to employ such means only for obtaining the legislative recognition of them as are of a strictly just , peaceful , legal , and constitutional character ; and will forthwith proceed to fulfil the mission with which it has been entrusted , resolved t » suppart its chairman in preTentiiig tbe introduction of any proposition not in accordance therewith .

      S . —That as this Conference will resist the introduction of any topic not obviously relevant to its main design , so it also disclaims all interference with existing organisations , recognising as its paramount duty , the arriving , if possible , at a cordial agreement in reference to the object towards which peaceful agitation may be directed . 3—That this Conference , agreeable to resolution 17 , passed at tbe first Conference , is prepared to receive and to consider all gocumeuts ¦ whic ' i may be laid before it , and which may be supposed to contain an embodiment of the necessary details for working out the principles already recognised .

      4— That the documents so to be presented to this -Conference , be taken into consideration at the open ! g of our next Session , by a Committee consisting of the whole body of the delegates ; and that the Committee be instructed to observe tbe following rules : —1 . Tbat the bill to be presented by the Cornell of the "National Complete Suffrage Union , " be taken as the basis of discussion- 2 . That each clause as it is read shall be considered pari passu , with the correlative clause of the tvo documents . 3 . That all amendments be Banded

      op to the Chairman in writing . He might state that the Bill would occupy four hours in reading—( laughter )—but he had read the Bill himself , and so far as be was able to judge , the provisions appeared calculated to accomplish the object they had in view . —{ hear , hear , and "no , " no . ';) He would not then ge into an abstract of the Bill , because it would come under discussion at a future stage of the proceedings . He begged , therefore , to move the resolutions . Mr . Dcxlop , of Glasgow , seconded the resolutions .

      Mr . O'Connor and Mr . Lovett rose at the same time , but tbe former gavt > way , and Mr . Lovett said , that previous io any amendment Leing moTed , he rose with considerable pain and anxiety to impress on their friend , Mr . Beggs , the necessity of withdrawing a portion of the fourth resolution , and to substitute other words—( hear , hear . ) The part that he wished to be withdraws , and which , for the sake of unanimity , he hoped Mr . Beg ^ s would consent to do , was . that the bill to be presented by the Council of the National Complete Suffrage Association be taken as the basis of discussion "—( hear . ) Be wished that Mr . Beggs would substitute the ¦ words , tbat the bill , or the document entitled tbe People ' s Charter , shall be considered as the basis of

      discussion . "—{ loud and prolonged cheering . ) Impressed mth the conviction , that the present object of the Complete Suffrage "Union was to effect , if possible , a cordial union between the middle and the Working clashes , and not merely to conciliate one class sad neglect the other , he had joined that union . H e had done bi 3 best to promote that union , believing that the great object they had in view mi ^ bt be ac--complished , but , at the same time , he had declared his opinion , that his definition of Complete Suffrage was founded on the People ' s Charter—( loud cheers ) He attended the last conference in Birmingham , and he impressed on the gentlemen then assembled the necessity of going for the full measure of justice , if they would have the great ma = Sf s of the

      people along with them—( hear , hear . ) He was very happy to find , that at that conference , although many persons came there" strongly prejudiced a ^ ainsi the Charter , jet the calm and rational manner in which ibe different points -were discussed , convinced the gentlemen objecting of the propriety of the principles contained in that document , and one after another thej were cordially and almost nnanimonsly adopted —( hear , hear . ) After the Conference had affirmed these different points , be impressed upon them that it was still necessary to go & step farther , and in order that these principles should not be marred in the Bouse of Commons , that it was necessary for them to agree upon some clear and definite mode for ¦ carrying the principles into practice—( hear , hear . )

      But some of them said , ** Many of our friends are prejudiced against the Charter ; some persons will think we have gone too far a ? it is ; don ' t press the resolution at present . " With the understanding then , that the People ' s Charter should be brought forward , and have a prior claim to discussion before all othtr documents , he consented to waive the resolution , or io bring it forward in the shape it was eventually agreed to ; that shape being , that at the next Conference they should consider the necessary details for working out these principles . —( hear , hear . ) He certainly thought now that they had met , that that document would have had the first -claim , —( hear , hear J—but judge his surprise to find that although he was a member of the council of the

      Complete Suffrage Association , be never heard of the bill until he saw it in priu :. —( Loud cries of "hear , hear . ") He mentioned this fact with a great deal of pain , as he had the highest respect for the council , and especially for their esteemed Chairman—( hear , hear . ) He thought they bad committed an error on this j > o : at , that they had yielded to prejndice , and that they would feel the injurious effects of their condnct if they pressed thiB bill—( hear , hear . ) He hoped , however , tbat they wonld not press it , or rather that they would not place him in a position to put forward an amendment in opposition to the original motion . Ti : e effect of tbeir pressing it would be to split the Conference into two parties , whereas he had hoped that they should know nothing

      of party during their discussions—( hear , hear . ) He hoped tbat Mr . Beggs wonld allow the Charter to be brought forward before the bill prepared by the Complete Suffrage Association— ( hear , hear . ) He 1 not so bigoited in favour of the Charter , as to ssy tha : h was perfect , and that no improvements could be made in it . Let it be brought before the Conference , —let its details be examined and disenssed , with a view to see whether any improvemeats could be made in it , and if so , to adopt teem— ( hear , tear . ) Bat he maintained that the Charter had a prior cbim . In the . first place , it | ad borne the brunt of the present agitation , for fire years , asd in order Io secure its enactments , Vast numbers of their fellow-countrymen had

      suffered imprisonment and transportation —( losd cries of " hear ,, hear . ") In the next place , when they wereabou | . to draw up the People ' s Charter , they applied to : Mr . Roebnck—no mean authority—for * ae purpose of ascertaining from H" » whether an Act of Parliament could not be drawn up , free from those legal and perplexing technicalities which coarac enzed the Iaw 3 of this country—Chea ^ hear , hear . ) Mr . Roebuck recommended them to draw up the document in such plain and simple language , that all who could read it , and been able to do so , would be able to appreciate it—( hear , hear . ) ine Charter had been drawn ur > in accordance with

      Jfiis recommendation , and it had carried conviction w tbe minds of thousands—( cheers . ) On the other «*» o ., the bill of the Complete Suffrage Association ** d been drawa up with all the forms of law . J-ne supporters of the Charter were opposed to all such bewildering nonsense— ( cheers . ) What ! after appealing to the common sense of tbe people for five years , now w allow themselves to be bewildered by Acts of Parliament , when for five years they had ¦ jea commuting it to the common sense of the people « England ! ( cheers . ) He was one , as the Confer-S ? , " ^* Probably be aware , who had differed ma-! ~ 3 . with the great body of the Chartists as to the "" tfetf « min r tli * t Charter into law . He bad He

      ? £ u ^ wndnct of many of them . thought wiey had inflicted considerable mischief , and had f £ « ii ; j retar ded the cause ; and he also thought , uttt a was owing to thi- cau ^ e that a considerable oegree of prejudice had been created in the minds of J-. e middle elapses against the Charter ( hear , hear ) Bui after all , it was prejudice , and should they yield principle to prejudice ? ( No , no , ) They might be

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      told that the bill preferred by the Council of the Complete Suffrage movement embraced all the principles of the Charter . Ifhwereso ithenitwasareason why tbe bill should not be introduced , seeing that the Charter embraced all that the people desired to obtain—{ hear , hear ) . Why should the association introduce & measure of that description which could only Berve to make wider the line of demarcation which at present unhappily existed between the various classes of society ?—( hear , heir ) . ¦ Why should they be pitted against each other , like cocks »» * piK to be laughed at by those who looked in ?—( hear ,. bear ) . He implored their friends , who , perhaps , from the best possible motives , had prepared this bill , to reconsider tbeir steps , in order that as

      far as possible they might preserve union , and not by wasting their time in trifliBg distinctions , £ ive their enemies an opportunity to triumph at the expence of the Conference—( hear , hear ) . He wished to have an answer from Mr . Beggs , before he sat down , because if that gentleman declined to make the alteration proposed , he should feel it his doty to pursue the course he had pointed out by proposing an amendment . He hoped that their friends of the Suflrage Association would not place him in that unpleasant poEition—( hear , hear ) . He hoped that he should not be accused of having taken this course from factious motives—( No , no ) . He was induced to take this course because he thought that a complete onion was the only mode of accomplishing their common object— ( hear , hear ) .

      Mr . O'CONNOR did not think that he had any reason to regret his act of courtesy to wards Mr . Lovett—( hear , hear . ) Never had be ( y . r . O'Connor ) been mote pleased in his life than to give way to Mr . Lovett , and never was he more repaid than in listening to the admirable explanation which Mr . Lovett bad given —( hear , hear . ) When he heard tbe resolutions read , he intended to baTet&ken the same objection as that which Mr . Lovttt had now made—( bear , bear . ) It had been hi * intention to have contrasted the merits of the small bill , with the demerits of the larger bill It bad been his intention to have shown that the bill of the Complete Suffrage Association had not bten Brawn up with legal acumen , and that from the preamble , through every clause of it , -whatever it contained that was valuable ,

      had been taken from tha Charter , and that it was only that part of the document which was of any value at all If the Complete Suffrage Association admitted that all that vras contained in tbe Charter , was contained in the bill itself , why were they not prepared to support it?—( hear , hear . ) Was there so much attraction in a name tbat they were ready to sac- ifice their principles in order to please the unmeaning scruples of those who were always ready to sacrifice their convictions to the mere time-serving oepedieney of tbe day—( cheers . ) What abuse had been poured out against him ( Mr . O'Connor ) and those who supported the Charter . Why , when be beard of the pbyBical force of the working classes , —when he heard of tbeir obtaining their rights by their rude and rough manner of addressing

      individuals , to -what did he attribute all this ? To the conduct of those who reviled the working classes instead of teaching idem better , by putting them in possession of those civil rights to which by their birthright , and not by a mere abstract theory , they were entitled—( bear , hear , and cheers . ) If they -wanted to mak « the Coarttsta physically weak , let them make them morally strong —( cheers ) . Why was it that the working classes htld aloof from the middle classes ? Because the middle classes had compelled them to do so —( hear , hear , and cheers ) . When the middle cLisses ¦ wished to carry the Raform Bill , they found it convenient and , indeed , necessary , to ask the co-operation of the working classes '; but hiving accomplished tbeir object , they kicked away the ladder by which they

      mounted to their elevation , and left the great mass of the people to fall to the ground—( bear , hear , and cheers ; . Things , however , had now taken a turn . The working classs * vrere no longer the tools of a party —( cheers ) . They had acquired a moral power in the country , which would ultimately destroy all the efforts of faction to deprive them ot their just demands—( cheers ) . The middle classes were now calling upon the working elasses to assist them out of tbe difficulties into which class legislation had plunged them—( hear , bear ) . But the working classes would not help to destroy either the Whigs or the Tories . Why ? Because they would not derive any benefit from it —( hear , hear ) . What the supporters of the Charter sought for was an union

      between the two—( the middle and working classes )—and then no system of tyranny could long stand before it They talked cf a " Complete Suffrage Association . " He would have them to form tuch a " Complete Union " as this , and within six months £ rom that day they would drive the present Government out of the field ; and then' they would establish another on the principles which Mr . Lovett had laid down . Some persons seemed to think that an union of the middle and working classes would "destroy his power—( no , no ) . They ¦ were also told that their agitation , -was irjurious —( laughter ) . If that were so , why were they worth being courted ?—( cheers . ) They knew the de £ Tee cf hostility which had been opposed to them , by the press , and fey a large portion of the working classes ,

      and yet in spite ef all the taunts and jibes thrown ont against them , they stood there as a party worthy the courtship of all parties—( hear , hear , and cheers ) . Those " who supported tke Complete Suffrage Union , raid tbat there was nothing in a name . Then why not surrender their little prejudices to the great scruples of the advocates of tfce Charter ?—> cheers ) . If they got rid of tvtry single leader that they now had , in less than twe hours afterwards they would bave as many more . L % t them not say that he ( Mr . O'Connor ) led tbe people . It was the people -who drove him—( hear , bear ) . He ¦ Wis only able to maintain that influence among tbe people -which consistency -wou ? d give to every man who preservfcd it —< fcesr , he&r ) . Then how consolatory it must be te himself and Mr . Lovett , and to every man

      who had beard him , to find that they were still standing np for the Charter , name and all—( cheers ) . And now , to show how capable they were of generous acts , and that if they had committed mistakes , it was in consequence of tbe intermeddling of third parties , and to prove to the Conference that he ( Mr . O'Connor ) wsuld never be a stumbling block in tbe WBy of preserving union among tbeir best friends , be begged to express to Mr . Lovett his sorrow for ever bating mistaken his honesty and integrity—( cheers ) The advocates of the Charter were asked why they did not support free trade ? They did support it—( hear , bear . ) They were for free trade in everything , but they wanted free franchise first , and then th « y would repeal every law which militated against the

      interests of the people—( cheers ) . He would work for it , acd he would conform to all the rules adopted by this Conference , and he would undertake as much trouble as any man could take , but he never would undertake thattrcmbl&unless for theaeeeoinpliBh . ment of thePeople's Charter ; loud cheers ) . They were told by aome that it was necessary for the country to have a strong government , or a government that would tickle the people by farciful frauds . They had a strong Government What constituted Uifcir strength ? The weakness of the people —( Mar , hear ) . What constituted the weakness of the people ? Tbfcir disunion—( hear , hear ) . Then he called upon teem to be united . It had frequently been urged that the middle classes carried the Reform Bill . That might be true , but it was the working classes wbo spurred them on—( hear , hear ) . The middle classes were tbe tools , and the working classes constituted the machinery by which tbe Beform Bill was obtained

      ( bear , hear ) . The time had arrived when they must stand upon principle . Never were the sufferings of apeople borne with S 3 much heroic and Roman fortitude , and he should like to know whenever the people bad achieved such a position as they now occupied , with so little disturbance to public tranquillity or ' with bo little destruction to any thing which wag valuable to the community — 'cheers . ) Feeling strongly , as he did , on this question , he could not help congiatulating himself that what had been imposed on him as a task , was left to Mr . Lovett as a duty . He was glad that Mr- iorett had availed himself of that opportunity of vindicating his principles , and leaving him ( Mr . O'Connor ) to follow him . For his own part , he should adhere to the course he had hitherto followed , and he declared that he ¦ wonld rather be a private in tbe ranks of principle , than a general leading on an incoDBirttnt army in a battle of expediency—ihear , hear , and cheerB . )

      Mr . Beggs was about to address the Conference , when , Mr . Lotett rose and moved that an adjournment shonli take place nntil the following morning , in order that Mr . Beggs might have an opportunity of consulting his friends on tbe proposition which he ( Mx . Lovett ) had made to him . Mr . OCo . nwob seconded the motion , whicfl was pn : and carried . Tha Conference rose at eight o ' clock .

      WEDNESDAY—SECOND DAT . The Conference in pnrenance to previons arrangements , assembled at nine o ' clock in the morning , when there was as large a number of the delegates present as on the first day . Mr . Bobebts , aa Secretary to the Disputed Elections Committee , reported their decision on the Worcester election , and &aid they had come to the conclusion that the gentlemen elected at both the contested elections should be received as delegates . In making tbia annonncement , he was requested to ask the concurrence of the Conference .

      Mj . O'Coskob thought that a worse precedent than that hinted at by Mr . HobertB could not be established —{ hear , bear ) . If there had been two elections at Worcester , one of them must be wroag—( hear , hear ) , it might appear to be an exceedingly liberal measure to admit the whole of the delegates elected , but it had an ultra-democratic tendency , and the decision to ¦ which the committee bad come , was exceeding the powers given to them—( bear , hear ) . Mr . PaBBT entirely differed with Mt . 0 Connor in

      his construction of the law . If the committee had been a strictly legal body , and if thsir decision was binding legally as well as morally , then perhaps there might be some height attached to Mr . O'Connor ' fl observations . He recommended them to act in a conciliatory spirit . Mr . 0 Connor had speken of the dMranehmng tendency of the coEimittee ^ s decision . Now , bow could the fact of giving a larger Eumber of representatives to the Council , instead of a smaller one , be disfranchisement ? It was the juost extraordinary definition or tLe Engliih Jartuafj he bad ever btard— ( hear , bear ) .

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      Tbe Ch a IBM an pat the motion for the reception of the report . A Delegate ttm for the purpose of proposing an amendment , but This was objected to by Mr . O'CONNOB , on the ground that as & point of order , an amendment could not be made on the reception of the report The report was then put and agreed to . The Secretary read tbe minutes of the previous evening * business . Mr . O'Connor moved that they be confirmed . Mr . Wilkinson seconded the motion and it was agreed to .

      Mr . Lovett now suggested that it -would be desirable to have tbe answer of Mr . Beggs with respect to the question which he ( Mr . Lovett ) had put to him the previous evening . —( hear . ) It would be remembered that he asked Mr . Beggs whether he would consent that tbe words contained iu the fourth resolution be hud wo-red , namely , that tbe Bill to be presented by the National Complete Suffrage Association , be taken as the basis of discussion , " be omitted , and that the words ' ? the document called the People ' s Charter be taken as the basis of discussion , " be inserted instead thereof , —( hear , hear . ) If he ( Mr . Lovett ) received an answer in the negative , he shonld feel it his dat ; ? to move an amendment— ( Cheers . ) Mr . BBEWSTE& contended that Mr . Lovett could not move an amendment . They had not come there to consider the People ' s Charter in particular , but other documents that might be laid before the Conference—( disapprobation ) .

      Dr . RITCHIE thought it was contrary to the order of debate for one delegate to put a question to another—( bear , hear , and laughter ) . Mr . Lovett said tbat not having received an answer from Mr . Beegs , he should feel constrained to move an amendment— < hear , bear ) . With respect to the objection that bad fallen from Dr . Ritchie , he did not think it possessed the least weight , because he ( Mr . Lovett ) had distinctly made tbe proposition to ' Mr . Beggs , with the view to maintain union , and to avoid the necessity of his moving an amendment —( hear , hear ) . He thought it -would have bttn -well if Mr . Beggs bad consulted his friends as to how they could agree in their mode of proceeding , but as they seemed disposed that the question should come before the Conference , he begged to move the following

      amendment" That the document called tbe People's Charter , embracing all the essential . details of just and equal representation , couched in plain and definite language , capable of being understood and appreciated by tbe great muss of the people , for whose government and guidance all laws ought to be written , —that measure having been before tbe public for tbe last five years , forming the basis of tbe present agitation , in favour of the Suffrage , and for seeking to secure the legal enactment of which , vast numbers had suffered imprisonment , transportation , and death , —has , in the opinion of this meeting , a prior claim over all other documents proposing to embrace the principles of just representation ; it is therefore resolved , that we proceed to discuss tbe different sections of the People's Charter , in order to ascertain whether any improvements cm be made in it , and what those improvements shall be ; it being necessary to make that document as dear and perfect as possible" —( loud cheers ) . '

      This was the amendment be had to propose on the motion of Mr . Beggs . ' He had expressed his viewB so fully when he ruse to request his friend Mr . Beggs to consent to the alteration proposed , that it was not necessary tbat he should trouble them with any lengthened observations . He had hoped that Mr . Beggs and his friends would have been induced to make this alteration without forcing upon him ( Mr . Lovett ) the necessity of moving an amendment , because he feared that it would end in forming the Conference into three parties , instead of two— ( hear , bear , and no no ) Two parties already existed ; and iEBtead of having only tbe violence and folly on one side , and the wisdom and justice on tbe other , they would now be constrained to form three parties instead of two , and he feared tbat tbe line of demarcation between the

      midile and the -working classes -would be widened , and that the agitation in favour of equal representation would be prolonged , in consequence of the policy which tbeir fritnds had thought fit to adopt—( hear , hear . ) He thought that course was merely adding to the prejudices of the middle classes—( hear , hear)—and he doubted vtry much whether they would obtain any great accession of that class by this movement—( hear , hear . ) What they © ugfet to seek for was , tbe spirit and enthusiasm of the working classes , combined with the wisdem and moderation of tbe electoral body—( bear , hear . ) They were bound in justice to the great mass of the people who had taken up the question for so many years , not to sacrifice the principle for which they were contending—( hear , hear , and cheers . )

      Mr . O'Coknor in seconding the amendment , said that if he thought i : s adoption would divide the Conference into three parties instead of two , he Bhould not have supported it—( hear , bear ) But bo far from having that effect , he believed it would resolve the two parties into one strung party , determined to go for principle , and another weak party opposed to all principleicheers . ) If , too , the amendment had gone to make any alteration in tbe principles of tbe Charter , be would not have supported it , but the construction which he put upon it was , that it merely went to discuss the dttaila , and consequently be gave it hU most cordial consent —( hear . ) But let the Canference lovk at the position in -which they would place the people if they sanctioned the original motion . When they

      had consolidated all their movemmU , when all their machinery was perfected , before whom did they go to get the Charter recognised as part of the constitution , if he might to call it ? In 1839 , in 1840 , in 1841 , and in 1842 , they went to the House of Commsns . For what ? Praying that ta « document entitled the People ' s Charter shonld be the Jaw sf land—( loud cries of hear , hear . ) Now , were they going to be so inconsistent as to go to the House of Commons in 1843 , and to say— " Whereas in 1839 , 1810 , 1841 , and 1842 , we prayed your Honourable House to enact the Charter , approved by three millions and a half of the people , we now pray that a mass of mystifications , which

      would take four hours to read through , be substituted In its atead "—( hear , hear , hear , and laughter . ) Why , he theught the House of Commons would be placed in something like the position of the priest In Kildare . A great number of persons went to him , one praying him to give them one sort of weather , another another sort , and another wanted a different kind still . "O ! < said the priest ) go away -with yon , and agree among yourselves what sort of weather you will have , and , when you are unanimous , be sure that I shall agree with you "—( laughter and cheeis ) . So it would be with the House of Commons . When the people were unanimous in demanding their rights , tbe House of Commons would be unanimous in conceding them

      —( cheers ) . Were tbe Conference going to throw overboard the people of Ireland whom they had invited to join this agitation ?—( hear , hear . ) Here they were going to say to the House of Commons , and to judges and juries— " Well done , ye good and faithful servanta—ye have punished theBO men whom ye havt imprisoned and transported , rigbteously , for they have confessed their error , they acknowledge tbenistlvea to have been in the wrong , and they now ask for a different thing under a different name" —( hear , hear . ) The Complete Suffrage Association said that their bill was the same in principle as the Charter . Then why did

      they not come forward , and support the Charter ?—( bear , hear . ) It seemed that although the Association were ashamed of the name of the Charter , they were not ashamed . to adopt its principles , in erder to get their own measure carried —( . cheers . ) It was for tbe Conference to say whether thty would eurrfcnder their principles to the prejudice of a few , and throw ovcrboard a document which had become a part of every man ' s political creed in the country—( cheers . ) They might as well attempt to stop the rolling stream of the ocean as to stop tbe agitation for the Cbarter under the name of the Charter— ( cheers . ) He did not wish

      to dragoon them int © the support of- tne amendment , but it was rendered necessary by the motion made , by Mr . Beggs—( hear , hear . ) Hi . KitcHIE , of Edinburgh , should support the original motion . He conld flee a great difference between Caa-rtiate and * he Charterists—( laugaUr ) What was this meeting ? Was it a Radical o * e ? So . Was it a Whig one ? As little . It was as much a Tory meeting as either of the other two— ( laughter ) He maintained tbat it was s Complete Suffrage mtetiug and not a meetiDg of any party , It was a meeting based on the principle of sending patties " to the toinb of all the Capultts . " If it-was said—take the Charter , tie told them he could not swallow it—daughter . ) Why ? He objected to the name of it— ( " Oil , oti . "> He objected to it as the symbol of a party , and he if it bad emanated

      would baveorjacted to it equally from tbe Complete Suffrage party . He could uot expect this movement to go on if they adopted the Charter as the basis « f the discussion . — ( Meat . *) He denied that the document which had been drawn up was the People ' s Charter—(•• on , oh '');—but it was tbe Charter of a great number , and it might be of the wisest number for what he knew—( laughter , and cries of " question . '") The course he should take would be to accept good principles , even from a Tory ; and on the same grounds be would extract all that -was valuable from the bill of the Association , the Cnarter , or any otter document ; he would throw them into a crucible , and place a good fixe under them , and he would bring out a metal fit for their use and for the people at large— ( laughter . )

      Mr . Hkthkb . ih « xon , of London , should support trAe amendment , notwithstanding the objections which ? iad fallen from T > r . Ritchie , which he thought were extremely sophistical—( bear . ) He ( Mr . H . ) was strongly in Savour of the Charter , and those on his side of the question had the consolation to know , that the eloqoep . t writer of the Nonconformist , when speaking of the r ^ reat good sense displayed in the People ' s Charter , admitted that the prejudice against that document waa an unworthy one—( hear , hear ) . When they had a -gentlemen like Dr . Miall compelled to admit this , * nd when thetr Chairman himself acknowledged tf- lS truth of the principles enunciated , -were the Conference to pander to these prejudices by abandoning the name of the Chatter ? iloud cries of no , no ^ .. At the former Conference , the justice of tbe principles contained in the People ' s Chatter were -verified , and wby were they to be called upor , to give up tbe details by wWcb those prlai ^ ples were to be carried

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      into effect ?—( bear , hear . ) He thought tbat » ncb a course would be stultifying the Chartist body , and , therefore , they ought not to listen to any such arguments as tho « e which were urged by the Complete Suffrage Association , uuless they wool * show that there was tbat in the Charter which would not enable them to carry out those principles —( hear , hear . > The advor catea of the Charter did not seek to thraot that document down the throats of the Association , aa had been insinuated . They only asked that it sboold be the basis of discussion —( hear , hear . ) If there was anything omitted in the document , let it be inserted , and if there was anything that could be considered of an

      objectionable character , let it be changed— - ( hear . ) What were they called upon to do by the Asaodation t To support a document about which they knew nothing , and which might not be so effective for the purpose as the Chattel—( hear , hear ) . Qn the other hand , they had a document drawn no in such plain and simple language that a child nilghib comprehend it —( bear , bear ) . They had got rid of a bushel of whereaaes and aforesaids , and all Buch rubbish as that , and they had given to the country a model of Parliament act-making —( hear , hear ) . Under these circum-BtanCL-8 be should most cordially support the amendment —( hear , bear ) .

      Mr . Smith ,.-of Liverpool , called upon the Conference to support the Charter , though he admitted that there was much that was excellent in the bill of the Complete Suffrage Association . The Rev . T . Spkceh saw no reason why they should bo bound to a particular document , because it happened to have been introduced five years ago—( hear , hear ) . He wished that every delegate had read another document , which he would call the "People ' s Bill of Rights , " and he thought they would find U an improvement upon the Charter ; more liberal , more generous , more for the people ' s good , and more for the protection of their rights , than the Charter —( hear , hear , ahd . no no ) . He contended

      that tb « y had as much right to a name asany body else—( hear , hear ) . It was said that there was a prejudice on the part of the association in favour of a name—Oiear , hear ) . He certainly did not eeo why any person should be compelled to call himself a Chartist—( hear , hear , hear ) . He was in favour of complete Suffrage , and hewould do his utmost to carry out the details necessary for its enactment , but he objected to a body of men coming there and saying , that they should not consider the principle under any other name than the People ' s Charter . ( Hear , hear , and hisses . ) He was present at the last Conitjronce , _ and the members of the Complete Suffrage Association conceded almost every thing to the advocates of theCharter which could be

      asked ot them , but nothing was conceded in return . ( Cries of No , no . " ) He repeated the truth of the assertion . But did they repeat what they had done ? No . They thought that what they had done wa 9 right . He trusted that he had the interest of the working classes at heart as much as any man living , and his hope for them in this movement was the union of their own body with the electoral body ; the infusion of fresh energy , fresh life , and fresh blood from another clacs— ( cheers . ) ILet the working classes have their own field . He thought the members of the Complete Suffrage Association could render them much service in working separately but if they remained one party , aud that a divided one , the effect of the new movement would be lost

      for ever . —( hear , hear , and no , no ) . He had heard the Bill to which bo many allusions had been made , read over , accompanied with the explanation of the accomplished barrister who had drawn it up , and he was surprised at the opinion expressed by one gentleman who advocated the Charter who could not have seen mu , ch of the Bill ; that it was bad in the preamble and in its clauses —( hear , hear , from Mr . O'Connor ) . He ( Mr . Spencer ) had brought his common-3 enso to bear in jud ging of the bill ; and he must say that ho did not think the opinion he had alluded to , was a correct one . He had read the Charter , too . He had beard it explained , and if gentlemen would only consent to have the bill of the Association , which had been drawn up with

      great care and at a great expense , aiid if they would consent to have it discussed , then , at the end they would be able to say whether they thought the bUl or the Charter the most valuable- ( hear , hear , hear ) . He could not understand why it was contended that the Charter should be tho basis of discussion . Every body know what the Charter was , but every body did not know , what the bill of the Complete Suffrage Association was—( hear , hear ) . If they condemned a measure about which they knew nothing , he would ask whether they would not be blindly following blind leaders , and whether they would not be voting in tho dark ?—( hear , hear , and disapprobation ) . If tho Conference were determined to act in this way , ho felt bound as an Englishman ,

      and claiming a right to think and act for himself , to say that rather than he would give up his independence , he Bhould henceforward recommend that there should bo two pariios , and that they should carry on their Conference under different ) names —( hear , hear , and disapprobation ) . It ought to be borne in mind that the Charter was only an outline of the proposed bill , and that it wanted filling tip . On the other hand , the bill had been filled up with very great care , and if adopted , it would be the glery of the land —( liear , hear , and no , no ) . Why not allow the members of tho Association tho same privilege which the advocates of the Charter demanded lor themselves ?—( hear , hear ) . If it was to be said— " you must come to us first , " ho must fay no —( hisses ) . As a clergyman of the church of England , he could conVeirie with a dissenter on the principles of Christianitv . without

      any sacrifice of inn own convictionsi but if the disBenter a . bked him to turn to his way of thinking , he would , not do so . Neither on the other hand would he ask tho dissenter to come to him . He wanted liberality in religion as well as everything else , and ho rejoiced to Bay that with respect to the brethren iu the Church , there was a disposition , when they mw a man determined to think for himself , to allow him to do so . Ho wanted to lower the taxes , but he would do it in a fair way . He wanted to reform the Church , but he wished to do it in accordance with scriptural reason . He wished to extend the elective franchise , an'd put every man in possession of his civil rights , but he Bought to do that by peaceable and legitimate means , and he would be no party to any thin ^ that could lead to disorder or to destruc . tion of the national institutions—( hissing and much confusion ) . He did not mean , to say —( Renewed hisBiug ) .

      A 1 > £ legat £ hoped that Mr . Spencer would confine himself to the question , and not insult the Conference by such insinuations —( cheers , and cries of order ) . The Chairman believed that Mr . Speucer had been misunderstood —( hoar , hear ) . Mr . Spekceii was only wishing to show the Conference that the Six Points might he held by different parties , and he had no wish whatever to offend the feolings of any dclegate—r- ( hear , hear ) . He was not unaware that parties had been accused of improper conduct , but he was not there to repeat ibe charge— - ( hear , hear ) . It was sufficient for him if such a party had seen his error , aud had repented of it . He woula only say , in conclusion , that he took his stand on the principle he had laid down , and he would not bo one of those who would go for the Charter and nothing but the Charter—( hear , hear , and hissing ) .

      Mr , West , of Oldham , differed entirely with the gentleman who had last addressed them . There were two documents before the Conference ) and the question was , which of them should have the priority , as forming the basis of the discussion . Now , it the council , calling this Conference together , considered that they were the parties who wore to draw up a bill for the consideration of the Conference , why then they would be the mere nominees of the council —( hear , hear . ) But tf ey did not come there as the nominees of any party , but to take principle for thtir guide , which they knew the document , the People ' s Charter , to contain , and to go to

      work m a proper manner . He thought that Mr . Spencer had furnished a very good argument in favour of the priority of the Charter . He said that the bill of the Association was filled up , but that theCtiarter was only an outline . Well , then , that was a very good argument why the Charter should , come nnder discussion , in the first instance , so that they might introduce such provisions and amendments as would make it a perfect document —( hear , hear , ) Much : ad been said about a name . He supported the Charter , because it recognised the rights of the people , and therefore they called it the " People ' s Clnrer— ( hear , hear . )

      Mr . . 11 . SiiiiiERs , Kirkcudbright , begged to say that bis attachment wais in favour of the Charter ; but he did not agree with those who contended for the Chaxter and no other document —( hear , hear , and hjsses ) . He thought the Council of the Complete Suffrage Association were justified ia preparing a new bill , and he considered it was the duty of the Conference to enter into a candid examination of it , aa well as of all other bills —( hear , hear . ) It should be borne in mind that the document called the People's Charter" had never been presented to any meeting like that—( . hear , hear . ) It was true that it had been adopted by the great mass of tke country , in consequence of tho grandeur

      aud nobleness of its principles , rather than from any knowledge of its details—( hear , hear , and loud cheering . ) The que&tiou was , how far they could enter into a discussion of the bills . He thought that neither of them should haW the priority . Some delegates argued for priority inifavour of the Charter , because it waB the oldest . Now , be believed a bill had been introduced by Major Caxtwright , which was older than either of the documents before the Conference , and , therefore , he thought there was no wekht in the argument that bad been urged . He bad in amendment to propose which " ho thought would ge ; rid of the difficulty experienced . It was- — ' . ' ¦ '¦ ¦ . ¦•¦ : - ¦ ¦ . ¦ ¦ " : -: ' : ' :: ¦

      . . . _ . _ . . " That neither < if the bills be exclusively made the basis of discussion , but that both bills , and all other bills of a similar description be > at the disposal of the Conference , and laid oa the table , and ' thai parlies be appointed to read and defend tb ' a correlative clauses of these bills , and the clauses to be read seriatim and submitted" to the meeti ' jg . " Mr . W , Beodie . of Aidree , supported the amend-

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      ment , and in doing bo , he thought tbat both bills should be taken together . A man bad no right to say that the Charter should be taken first , because he had suffered from . its advocacy —( hear ) . Mr . Roberts , of fia 0 } begged to ask whether if it had been thought tha , * ; the bill of the Complete Suffrage Association was to be tbe basis of discussion , a single Chartist would have been present at the Conference I —( hear , hear ) . Ihr . Ritchie had told them that he could not swallow tke Charter . What the Doctor ' s ewaUotr might Tie , le ( Mr . Roberts ) could not tell . But it seemed rather odd , that whilst he could Hot swallow a email document which would go through the penny-post , he couil bolt a

      documentwhich filled forty pages of prinfr- ^ -fliear , hear , and laughter ) . He ( Mr . Roberts ) had eeen the bill , and , as compared with the Charter , it was not to be named in the same breath —( hearyhear ) . He pledged himself , as a gentleman and a lawyer , that it was not to be compared with the Charter f » r legal accuracy ; and , more than that , be pledged himself to the truth of this , statement , that ; onehalf of the clauses were entirely inapplicable tothe purpose— ( hear , hear > . Dr . Ritchie rose to order—^ bisses ) . He-thought that- Mr . Roberts was entering upon the criticism of a bill which was not before the Conference —( cries of "it is before us" ) .

      Mr . Parby wished to ask the- Secretary whether the bill was not before the Conference ! : The Secretary answered in the negative . Mr , RoBEBrs begged to remind the Conference that Mr . O'Connor had offered to withdraw his proposition if Mr . Beggs would withdraw his ; and , had the latter complied , neither ef the bills would have taken precedence , and the Executive Committee , could then have determined to which priority should be given—( hear * hear ) . He was sorry that this discussion should have arisen . He had hoped that they could have Worked side by side . But it seemed he was mistakes . The members of the

      Complete Suffrage Association might make the augustean boast of the Roman Emperor , that he found Rome of brick and left it of marble ; but after they had found the Charter a mass of erude legislation , with nothing but simplicity to distinguish it , with nothing but principle to support it , and with nothing but the people ' s valour to carry it , he hoped they would follow out the example of the Roman Emperor , who , although he left the edifiee of marble , did not change the name under which the glories of the eternal city had been gained—( hear , hear , and cheers . ) ' ; " ., " :. ¦ ¦ ' ¦ / -. - ¦ ' . . ¦ ' ;; : ¦ . . . The Rev . P . Bhewster supported tho original motion , and proposed the following amendment : —

      " That the Bill which this Council is met to consider and discuss , being founded on the } People ' s Cbarter , and aotually embracing its great principles , it is not expedient and not necessary to disease any other documents , excepting in connection with the Bill , . until we have disposed of the Bill itself submitted to our consideration . " Mr . Brewstk ? approved of the conduct of the Council in drawing up the Bill , and thought that the Conference were bound , ia fairness , to consider its provisions .

      Mr . Johnson , of Bristol , seconded the amendment , and in doing so , he said he was not prepared to vote against the Bill of the Complete Suffrage Association , until heknew the nature of its provisions . He had hoped that the speeches of Mr . O'Connor and Mr . Lovett would have offered something tangible to discuss ; instead of which they had been wasting their time in discussing mere trifles , by leaving out everything that was valuable in principle—( hear , hear , and laughter ) . Mr . Davis , of Hawick , suggested that the question of priority should be referred to the Executive Committee . . ¦ ¦ ¦ . ' . ¦ ..... ; •; . ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ - ' . , ' - "¦ ¦ ¦ ¦' ' ¦ ' ¦ - '; ¦ •; , ¦ .. . [ . Mr . Allbrigiit moved that neither of the documents take precedence . The proposition was not seconded .

      Mr . Williams , of Sunderland , hoped that some common ground would be taken , and thought that the amendment of Mr . Summers included everything , ¦ ¦ ¦ . ¦ . ¦ ¦ ¦¦ •;• " : : ¦' . ¦¦¦ ¦ ' ; ' . - ¦ . ' , . ¦¦¦ .: ; ; : : ' ' ' -. ... ¦ Mr . P . O'HiGGiNS , of Dublin , was certainly of opinion tuat the proposition brought forward by Mr . Begge , was one of the most extraordinary he had "' ' •*• heard of . What was it 1 It was that a bill of whi i hey had never before heard , should form the u ^ s of discussion T and he would appeal to any member of the Conference whether they ever beard ofeuch a proposition before—( loud cries of "No , no" ) . What he wished Mr . Beggs to have done was , to have brought forward the Charter in one hand , and the bill in the other , aud that they should both form the basis of discussion —( bear , hear , and loud cheers ) . : -

      Rev . Mr . Miaix , supported the original motion , claiming honesty of intention for the members of the Complete Suffrage Association , and contended that the struggle carrying on by the advocates of the Charter was not for the sake of principle , but merely for the sake of precedence , which amounted to nothing . Mr . Macpherson , of Ip 3 wich , spoke ia favour of the amendment . Rev . Mr . LeeSON , of Fromc , supported the original motion , and amidst much hissing , said that if they adopted the Charter as the basis of discussion , instead of the bill , the movement would be damned . It being now one o ' clock , ithe Conference adjourned to three o ' clock .

      AFTERNOON AND EVENING SITTING . The Conference re-assembled at three o ' clock . Mr . J . Wilson , of Aberdeen , supported the original motion . Dr . Wade called upon the Conference to support the amendment . In his opinion it was not the name of the Charter to which the middle classes whom the Comnlete Suffrage party wished to conciliate , objected , but the principles it contained —( loud cries of "hear , hear ") . He believed that if the advocates of the Charter consented to change the name of the document , that , the very next day the members of the Association would contrive some other loop-hole out of which to escape—( hear , hear ) .

      J ) r . Glover , of Edinburgh , thought the Conference ought to take for its text the Six Great Points , and tbat delegates should be at liberty to advocate either the Cbarter , or any other document which recognised them—( hear , hear ) . Mr . Jas . Dixon , of Northwich , was decidedly in favour of Mr . Lovett ' s amendment . He strongly recommended them to go to the vote , for he was sick and tired of the proceedings , and he was afraid he should have a . very bad account to give hia constituents— ( laughter ) . Mr . Vickers , of Belpcr , advocated the amendment . ¦ ¦ •• • .

      Mr . Macdonald , of Aberdeen , supported the amendment , and he did so , not on account of the antiquity of the Charter , but from principle . Mr . Vining , of . Reading , recommenUed a union with the ox-members of the Association , as he thought that the adoption of any other coarse woula be fatal —( hear , hear , and no , no ) . Mr . J . H . Paury , of London , should support the amendment proposed by Mr . Lovett , and he did so on the ground that the working classes were attached to the Charter , from strong , abiding , aud

      natural reasons—( hear , hear ;) It was not the name of Charter which those of the middle classes whom tbe members of the Association desired to conciliate objected to , but its principles—( hear , hear . ) They had no right io yield to the paltry prejudice of the middle classed , against the just demands of the People —( cheers . ) Why , what had their respected chairman himself said , with regard to this I He had said that all the prejudices which existed against the Charter were unworthy and unfouudedj ^ and that the soundest basiB on ; which a radical reform

      could rest , was the Charter —( loud cries of "hear , hear , " and cheers . ) He ( Mr . Parry ) belonged to the middle classes . He mixed much among them , and he was bound to admit that there existed on their parts a profound indifference to political principles—( hear , hear . ) But at the same time he was bound to elate this fact , ( and he hoped the members of the Complete Suffrage Association vfould bsar it in mind , ) that those of the middle class with whom he had mixed , were in the habit of saying to . him , " Oh 1 we can easily understand why you support the Charter , because you are a Chartist . We oppose it because we think the principles it advocates are dangerous . hub . we protest against those

      principles bexut / t thrust down ov& throats under another namtr , "—Uoud and continued cheers . ) Tiiat was a growing feeling among too middle classes , and he would ask the council whether they thought it likely that thoir advocacy of the Six Points of the Charter would enlist the oo- operation of the middle classes , because they supported them under anotheu -namel —( lond-. cries of "" hear , hear . " ) He believed the Association would defeat its own object * and why i Because they would not have honesty to recommend them , —( hear , hear . ) Mr . Miall had said , " Take the bill . " If Mr . Miall was the minister of a despotic government , and thai government would givo them the bill to-morrow , he would tak&it , —( hoar , hear . ) But the government would not give them the . bill , aud therefore , the q uestion for the Conference was , bow were tha ; to . force it upon the attention of th& government \ - ( hear , hear . )

      How oould this , be done ! By union , —( hear , hear . ) Who carried the Reform Bill ? Not the middle classes alone , but they and the working clauses united , avA if anoh an union exiatcv now as prevailed tfcsu , they would exhibit » moral power and a strength of demand , which neither Sir Robert Peel or ; any other minister could ' resist , —( cheers . ) They had heard something of the leaders in this movement deceiving the people . He would not enter into any question of that character , but if they wanted to destroy the power of those leaders let them do complete justice to the people * and then the peoplcj appreciating their own rights , Md knowing how to maintain them , would be too independent to be led by any man , except so far as his honesty and consistency gave him a claim to their confidence . ( Hear , bear . ) For the reasons he had stated , he should support the amendment , and he called upon the Conference not to stulufy itself , by surreatieiiug

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      the glorioua principles of the Charter to paltry prejudice , and to a wretched and temporizing expedieneT ( loadcheers . ) , ~ """ * Mr . Ij ^ IlEiwamtt f of Liverpool , would support the bill , because both it and the Charter were the same in principle . He considered that the Charter had beea injured bv those who called themselves the leaders of the people . ( Shouts of No , no , " and much hissing . ) He bad a right to maintain this opinion , and if the reporters would bc !> report what he said it should go from one end of the kingdom to the other ( sreat confusion , ) When he joined the Com « plete Snffirage movewmt , he was determined that Mr . Sturae Bhould be hiffleader . He ' had cwae from Liverpool to declare h » opinitns , and if they would not allow him to declare them ,. he denounced them v $ the most , arrant t / rants- on the face of the earth ; ( faiss * s > and although they mrjht call themselves chartists , feey wonld be the most ffespotio tyrants

      that ever disgraced human nature ( great hisingA He loved to be identified with the Charter , but he never would be identified trith its leaders ( tremea-< ious hissing ;) Aye , let them- hear him if they dare JRenewed confusion , and aa exclamation of ** Pat him ' out , » . . Some one said , "put him out . " ( u Order , order . " ) He could understand them . It touched their - feelings-. ; ( Hisses . ) It aame home to them . ( Hisses . ) But they should hear him ,, and the counry should hear him from Land's- End to John OHSroats . ( Laughter . ) He would not be identified with the leaders of the Charter , when he had seen with his own eyes and had heard with his own ears language which never ought to have come out of the mouth of any man . { Shouts of "'Nam * ., " name . " ) He would mention the circumstaacea . ( " Name , name . " ) If they waaied to hear truth * let them listen to what he said . ( Cries of " Hfear him , he ' s 60 amusing . ")

      A Delegate . —Is the whole Conference to be insulted by such a man as this ? ( " Chais , chair . ' * " Order , prder /' > The Chaihxan . —Bear . A . DELE 6 ATE .- ^ Hea » j h « ar . Mr . Hjeyworth conceived that the objeot of thia Conference was to call over the working men to those leaders who Would carry them on in a holy , righteous , and peaceable agitation ^ -which would secure the people their jost rights . They would not lead them on to bloodshed , to massacre , to anarohy , and to plunder , — - ( great hissing . ) They would not do this , neither did he say that anybody else had done it . —( much hissing . ) If any body had done so , they Were , guilty , and not him . —( great disorder ) t Mr . Robebts . —You said you had both seen and heard of such things , and now you deny it , —fehame , 8 hame . y ; :-: : ' . -,- ¦ . ¦ : - . ¦ " . .. ¦ ¦• ¦ ; - "

      Mr . Heyworth . —Yes , and I have seen them , — ( name , name . ) Mr . Jones , delegate from Liverpool , begged to inform the Conference that Mr * Heyworth was nofe the representative of Liverpool , —( hear , hear . ) Mr . Heyworth—No : I am the representative of Reading . Mr . Hobson , of Leeds . —I move that Mr . Heyworth be allowed a quarrer of an hour longer , — ( hear , Hear . ) He is a sample of his class , and I hope the Conference will have the benefit of ithe specimen , —( hear , hear . ) A Delegate seconded the proposition , and it waa carried , but Mr . Heyworth did not avail himself of the privilege ; and having eipresged a hope that the Charter would succeed , he retired amidst hisses , groans , and every species of disapprobation .

      Mr . Skelton , of Westminster ; Mr . Rowland , of Dundee ; Mr . Beesley , of Blackburn ; and Mr . Jones , of Liverpool , generally addressed the Conference ia support of Mr . Lovett's amendment . Mr . Beggs , the mover of the original resolution , replied to the various arguments addressed in support of the amendment , expressing his regret at being compelled to differ from those for whom he had the highest respect , aud stating his intention to press the motion to a division . The Chairman here announced that , as according to the rules , he had a vote , independent of his casting vote , he should record his opinion in favour of the original resolution . The Chairman then put the amendment moved by Mr . Brewster , tor which only two hands were held up . The next amendment put was that of Mr . Sumners , for which probably twenty hands appeared ; Both these amendments , therefore , were lost . . : - : ' . ¦"'¦ ¦ ¦ ' ¦ " : ¦ -. ¦ . : ' ¦ : ¦ - ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦

      The Chairman next put the amendment moved by Mr . Loveu , - which was carried by a large majority and amidst grcas cheering . The original motion was then put and of course negatived in a similar

      manner . Mr . - Hobson moved that the votes in favour of the original motion and the amendment , should be recorded . ' ¦ ' ¦ ¦ A Delegate seconded the motion and it was agreed to . The result was as follows : — For the original motion 94 For the amendment 193 Majority for the amendment 99 Fourteen of the Delegates remained neutral , and 73 were absent , on their names being called . The announcement was received in silence .

      Haying made the formal announcement that the amendment was carried , Mr . Sturge said the time for adjournment had arrived , and it became hia duty , while he gave credit to the parties who bad manifested so much attachment to that : very excellent document , the People ' s Charter , for having conducted their . business in a manner that did them credit , and whire be hoped that credit would be given to him for sincerely wishing to bring the principles of that Cbarter infci operation—to say that he thought he should not best serve their cause by continuing to occupy tbat chair after to-night He trusted that whatever little warmth of temper might have been manifested on either side in the beat of debate would be now forgotten , and ' that the parties , if they could not agree to work together , wouUTwork harmoniously in- ' parallel lines . ' / They , the majority , who had determined for the

      Charter , would meetto-morrowmofiiing in that place , and go on witb their business , while he and those who thought ¦ with him would meat in some other place , to prosecute their business in their own way . As theywere aU aiming at one and the some end , he trusted they . would be no hindrance to each other . In this statement of the purpose of his party to withdraw from all further connection with the Conference , he was supported by the Rev . Mr . Spencer . The announcement seemed to excite much surprise , and produced a great sensation . Mr . Stnrge having left the chair it was taken by the Hey . Mr . Spencer , and a vote of thanks \ o Mr . Sturge for hia patient and impartial discharge of the duties of the chair up to the present time , was proposed by Mr . Lovett , and seconiied by Mr . O'Connor . On its being put in tbe affirmative it was received with considerable cheering , and many hands were held up—the negative was not called for . Tbe Conference then adjourned .

      Prior to the dispersion of the delegates from the room , Mr .- Pierce , from Newport , We cf Wight , a genuine specimen of the old school of " Friends" or Quakers , as they are mostly called , came forward , and mounting on a form , disclaimed the doctrine of Messrs . Sturge and Spencer , that the minority of 93 were to meet next morning in the Cojnplele SnfFrage rooms , separate from the Conference . He had come from the Isle of Wight—he had been sent to the Conference—ha bad voted for the motion ; but be considered the majority the Conference , and should continue with them- —( bear r hear , and cheers ) . Mr . Sturge , the Rev . T . Spencer , and other members of the Council , adjourned to the rooms of the Association , in Waterloo-street , for the purpose of considering the prorisions ottheirBUl . ";¦ In the evening of Wednesday , a large tea party took place in the Hall of Science to celebrate the liberation of Mr . Mason .

      Mr . O'Connor wag present , and addressed the meeting in a speech of considerable length , which was listened to with deep attention , and at the close was followed by great applause .

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      POLlTieAL VICTIM , DEFENCE . AND FAMILY SOPPOEI ; ' . - ; ' ¦ ¦ ' . ¥ DND . ¦ . ' .. ' ' ; ' - - ' ¦ - ¦ ; ¦ ¦ ' - ¦ ¦ ; ' - \ t . ; - :. ' ¦ . '¦ ¦ -: ; - ; - .. - •¦ . ¦ ¦¦ . . ¦ .. £ s d Previously acknowledged ... ... 160 6 6 A . B . C . . .. ; .. ... ... 0 1 0 Mr . Waterworth , ( shce maker ) :... 0 5 0 Birkenhead , Cheshire ... ... ' . ... 19 0 A Christmas box , from 3 rd Divisioa City Bootmakera ... ... ... 0 8 5 A few flax Dressers , Broadford Works , Aberdeen ... ... ... 0 8 0 J 6 iu 3 | oae , Scotland ... ... 0 10 0

      ; V 163 7 11 . Note .--The Secretary of the Chartist shoemaker * , Golden-lane , London , has required from Mr . Cleave an account ef the expenditure of the above . To this Mr . Cieaya replies , that it is questionable whether such a Balance sheet could be published pending the trials . traversed from the Special Commissions i and besidea , Mr . C . has not the slightest controal over the fund ^ , further than to pay , as ho has from time to time , the subscriptions received by him to Mr . O'Connor , who has hitherto acted as treasurer , & « . It iriaj , however , be as well to intimate that several ; of the London delegates have been specially instructed to introdaoe tho

      question of a ** National Defence and Support Fund" to the attention of the Birmingbaia Conference . In the event of the Conference declining to accede to the motion for that purpose , the Committee nominated by the Great Metropolitan Meeting at the Crown and Anchor ( of which Committee Messrs . O'Connor ; Cleave , Dr . Black , &c , ara members ) will doubtless suggest some effective plan for the adoption of the country generally . Ia the mean time . no true Chartist will , —as the Golden Lane Secretary asserts , —withhold his contribatien to the Fund . Mr . O'Connor ' s honour , as trea 3 uref ought to be held a Bufficient ' - ¦ security for theproiiet application of every farthing subscribed . It eb-onl ^ also be borne in mind that enough has not jet been subscribed for the defence , much less for titt suppoit or the families , of tae yictfjaV

      Subscriptions Received By Mr. Cleave

      SUBSCRIPTIONS RECEIVED BY MR . CLEAVE

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      THE NORTHERN STAR . «^^ '

  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), Dec. 31, 1842, page 5, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct917/page/5/