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    • THE ffOSTHERN STAR. SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 1841.
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    • FEARGUS O'CONNOR IN LEEDS.
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      TROWBPJDGE DISTRICT DELEGATE MEETING . A . D'Jegate'Meeting was held at Frome , S » mersetshire , in the Association Rooms , on Sanaa ? morning last . Deleg » tes were present from the following places : — Tbowbridse Messrs . Stevens and HaswelL Bradford Mr . Hoibrook . " WisiBirBT ........... ~ "Mr . Taoker . Paonu _ Messrs . White and Haley . Mohcktos Det ^ kl ... Mt . Tud gey , Ejnsxon Deyehel . Mr . Garrett . 3 ££ I £ sbax - Messrs . Dowse and Taylor . WABiussiEa ... Mr . George . ftJvKK .......... ^ .......... Mr . Milk . Mr , George was-unanimousl y elected to tfce chair , aod Mr . Hiewell was appointed Secretary . Letters were read from the following places : — Sbaftesbory , Bradford , and th * Executive .

      The Chaikxah called on each delegate to state ¦ wha t progress they were makag in the Ckartist cause in their several localities . Mr . Ssevsks stated thattbe principles of Chartism ¦ wer e still progressniK in Twwbridge . Mr . Holbboos said that the cause was progressing in Bradford , fie thought that tbe appointment of a lecturer would still be the means « f doing much £ 0 Od . Mr . Tuckes said the cause was ^ oing on well in Westfeury . They had thirty new members , but he was sorry to say thai they had got no room to meet in .

      Mr . White said &at with respect to Frome he was happy to say that many had joined them of late , * ad more weald join ; bat the people were so poor that they were not able to pay their weekly subscriptions . Messrs . Roberts asd Philp bad paid -them a visit last week , and had been the means of ¦ do ing much good . Mr . Halbt said that he thought the distributing ¦ of tracts in the different localities would be the means of doing a great amount of good , and he should bring the subject forward at some early period . Mr . Tut > get said that tracts would do but little -good in his locality , 43 there were but few that could read to understand their contents ; but a lecturer would do much better , as he would pave the way for the mind to read . Mr . Garret ? said that he was instructed to tell the delegates that a lecturer was much wanted ia their district .

      Mr . Dowse , of Melksham , said that he felt great pleasure in informing the meeting that they were Aoing very wall ; they were taking in members every meeting night , and some very intelligent men had joined them ; they hare had a little opposition , bat that only makes our cause go on the better . Mr . Geoegs . of Warminster , said that a lecture ¦ would do much good , bat he was sorry to say they bad no room to meet in . ' . Mr . Mllls , of Mere , said that they were in a sad state for the want of a lecturer . The following resolutions were unanimouslv agreed to : — * That 1 , 200 of the National Petitions be purchased for distribution in this district . * ' '

      * That this meeting approve of the plan recommended by the West of England delegate meeting , in the appointment of lecturers for Wilts , Somerset , and Gloucester ; and that each delegate present do lay the matter before their constituencies . " That each place do send to the County Seereirary , by Saturday the 13 th of November , of what amount they can raise for the month . " " That Mr . dark , of Bath , be appointed for a fortnight previous to the engaging of the regular monthly lecturer . "

      * " That W . P . Roberts , Esq ., and Mr . R . K . Philp , are recommended by this meeting to be fit * nd proper personB to represent the Counties of Wilts , Somerset , and Gloucestershire in the forthcoming Convention . ' " That the next monthly delegate meeting be held in the Democratic Chapel , Trowbridge , the first Sunday in December , at ten o ' clock in the morning . " Eighteen shillings were then handed in from the different places for the Executive . A vote of thanks was then given to the Chairman . to the Secretary , and to the Frome friends , for their kind accommodation . All letters for the County Council to bs sent to Mr . J . Haswell , 2 , Mortimer-street , Trowbridge .

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      _ ,, „ NEWCASTLE . A letter was received from Mr . O'ConDor , on Saturday , p . m ., stating thst he would address a public meeting , at eight o ' clock that evening , and , notwithstanding the short space allowed to announce the meeting , all the seats in the lecture room , Uelson-sTreeE , ( whieh can" comfortably seat 1 , 500 , ) was completely filled . A few minutes afier eight , Mr . O'Connor , preceded by the Glass House Band , with hundreds of good men and true , arrived at the lecture-room , where he was hailed by the most deafening peals of cheering we ever heard . Mr . Cae . uthi . s 3 was unanimously called to the « hair , and briefly opened the proceedings by introducing Mr . Sinclair , who presented an address from the Chartists of Newcastle : after which

      Mr . O'Coxxoe arose , and thanked them for that address , and said that he considered the confidence expressed therein was more than a sufficient remuneration for all he Buffered for the cause of liberty ; and he looked upon it as an eareest of what he might expect in future . On the incarceration of himself and his brother Chartists , plain John Campbell declared he had consigned Chartism to a premature grave , instead of which he had seen so many demonstrations of the people ' s attachment to Chartism siuce his liberation from his living grave , into which he had been entombed for sixteen iuoatbs , that he was convinced that the cause of Chartism had mightily progressed . The first National Petition had cost £ 9 , 000 in getting up , and had oaly

      some 1 : 200 , 000 signatures , where-js the National Petition of 1841 was an expence of only £ 87 , and had upwards of 2 , 000 , 000 signatures ; and be had no doubt , when the country is properly agita : ed , that the present petition will exceed 4 , 000 , 010 signatures . Some might ask him what was the cause of this progression \ He would answer at once , the general national distress , not local , as some had falsely represented , for mary of our modern political economists are ^ ie thas there must tre periodical distress ia some Ioeali £ ie 3 of " all commercial nations . He ( Mr . O'C . ) was a practical agriculturist , and knew that this island was capable of producing a sufficiency to support a population of 120 , 000 , 000 beings , instead of 27 , 000 , 000 ( its present population . )

      Formerly the land had been let into small farms , of from ten to fif : een or twenty acres . Thes-, however , had been united by the landlords into large farms , which were let for less than , the same qaantity of ground , let iut-o small plots , would bring them . The reason for this is obv : oa 3 . You are aware that by the law of primogeniture , the oldest son inherits ail hi 3 fathers titles and estates . ( Hear , hear , hear . ) Kow , there may be seven or eight more of the family , and thesa kaye all to be presided for , their resources therefore are the army , the iiavy , the church , and the learned professions ; but tint is not all , for they may also hava families to be provided for from ths same source . Thus you see the interest of the aristocracy far letting tbe laud ia Una "way , that they

      may have a House of Commits Eubservieat to their ' "Wishes . Suppose tba . 1 by letting oat thfcir lands in Email | portions , they could realise ; £ 15 . l > uO , 000 more rent ; yfct by having the disposal of the army , navy , the church ,, the learned prof issdecs , tha local authority , in short , if J by having the disposal of all peaces of trust , they can j pocket £ 2 oO , ooo , ouO a year , you see" how great pro-j fitera they are . This is the reason vhj there are so ' few £ 50 tenants-at will , for yon are aware that they are enfranchised by the Reform BL 1 L This is the reason why lands are how let into farms of from three , four , ' or five hundred acres , the landlord knowing right well that all such occupants must vote as they please " and ' : give them a House of Commons to promote their inter- i eats , for so long as property h represented instead of :

      the people , the owners cf that property is sure to have ; the ascendancy . The same objection is equally applicable to Household Suffrage , for its advocates -would have one definition for " house" when agitating oia subject ' amongst you , and another for " house , " when pretend- \ ing to pass it into a law , -winch would render it equally ; nnAVaibible to the people , as they did ihe trasibug of ' the Reform BilL And , again , if by accident Household ' Suffrage should become the law , the landlords sooner j than be thwarted by the occupants of houses , would j pull down half of the houses now standing—house . building -would become a thing almost unknown , vhieh would lender mechanics requisite for the erection of houses entirely superfluous , with the exception of a few j labourers , -who might be employed in palling down such j houses as were erected before the house * became i

      enfranchised . A mistaken idea has existed , tfeat the , interests of the shopkeepers and the manufacturers sue , identified . Ko idea could be more preposterous , for manufacturers live by production—the shopkeepers by ' consumption ; thus you see the more produced and the less paid for that production , the more profit to the manufacturer . But it is the very opposite with the shop- j keeper , for as he depends cpon the consumption , the less pud for labour , the less the labourer can consume , ! and , as a necessary consequence , his income is reduced ,, for it is well known that Trtien work i * dull tbe shop- ; keepers are poor , and , on the contrary , -when trade is j brisk , the shopkeepers can make fortunes ; j but let me show you , ia another instance , the power of

      the manufacturer , and the effect of class-legislation . j Suppose a manufacturer , for instance , has £ 2 , 000 less ' profit , and has one thousand men employed receiving : 15 s . a week , he teHs them he . cannot efford to pay them as much as before , and be reduces them to 13 s weekly ; , 20 that by the reduction of 2 s . in each of lfat > ir wages , . he draws £ 5 , 200 a year , and instead of beis :: £ 2 , 000 out of pocket , by the dulness of trade , Le actually : pockets £ 3 , 200 cut cf the price of labour . The shop- ' keepers rob the working classes in a "dmiiir manner , for though they pay the taxes directly , yet the working i classes not enly pay the taxes indirectly , but pay the shopkeepers & large per oeatage for doing so . Tbis is ,

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      excellent !? illustrated in the case of a good old Irish womaa , who used to sit knitting ia the corner , and made It a role to use a halfpenny candle- nightly , from the 1 st ef November until the first of March . Hn . * BnBr , upon going over to the shop of Mrs . BradUgr on ^ e 1 st of November , as usual , —you hare come for yooz candle , Bays Mrs . Bradley ; yes , wya Mrs . Brady , and threw down bar halfpenny . Its a penny now , nys Mrs . Bradley . Is it , says tbe other 1 Tbe war has broken oat , says Mis . Bradley . Aramusbi , bad lack to thaii souls , says Mis . Brady , are they going to fight by candle ligfcfc now ? Tom you ne , for a tax ol twenty per cent laid upon tallow , the shopkeeper made poor Mrs . Brady pay cent pa cent Mr . O'Connor then catered into an aoooont of his agitation through Sootiaad , asd his discos-don with Dr . Brewster , whieh was truly heart-cheering , and -was responded to by tbe nost deafening cheers throughout .

      As Me . O'Connor's discusrion with Brewster ha already appeared , it will be superfluons to repeat it here . Mr , O'Connor gave some well-timed hint * to tfae ' ¦ new move , " which I bettere will make them for ever hide their faces in this locality . Mr . O'Connor spoke for two boars -and twenty minutes , and sat dowa-amidst the most lively marks of satisfaction , evinced by cheers and waving of hats and handkerchiefs . Mr . MdBGiN then moved the adoption of the National Petition , which was seconded by Mr . Cross , and carried an&niazoBsly . A special driller , who was beastly drunk , made several attempts to address the meeting , and arose for that purpose —( we understand his name is Parker ) bat was so drank th * t -we could not make out a sentence of what he pretended to say .

      Mr . O'Connor notified his intention of waiting to assist the Secretary in taking down the names of such as wished to be enrolled . There were sixty-two enrolled , who paid their eontributtons and-took cards , besides a good many who gave their names , and would call for their cards os Monday evening . The meeting broke up about midnight

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      OUR BIRTH DAT . With the present number commences the fifth volume of the Northern Star . It is usual , at the occurrence of such epochs to take retrospective and prospective views of the position occupied by a journal , and its party . We have no room for the task , pleasing as might be its execution . The fair form of Chartism , which at our birth was but indistinctly to be traced amid the chaos of the conflicting elements of party and of crotchetmongering sections , has now grown out into such larjre proportions , that our great difficulty ia to steal from it even this ' inch of room' on oar Bheet to point to the fact ; to

      point to those fair proportions as , in great part , the result of our own watchfulness and care ; to point to our past , as an earnest of our future career ; and to renew our covenant with the people , requiring from them , as a duty , to continne to uphold ns in the performance of our great duties towards Ihem . This they have hitherto done , and nobly : we doubt not that they will henceforth do bo , because we know that they are just ; and we require them to desert ns the moment we desert principle .

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      THE NATIONAL PETITION . We must now pipe all hands ; every man must be on deck and perform his duty ; as we must shortly cast anchor alongside St . Stephens , and give ano-Hk £ -, and , we trust , a more " telling" broadside from our guns , ( which are now better manned ) than on any previous expedition . The enemy ' s ship ia now in a shattered condition , and ought long ago to have been laid in ordinary , if not completely broken

      up . However , notwithstanding her erazy condition , the foe Beem still determined to keep her in active service . The old crew have paid themselves off , and she is now manned by another who in appearance are more warlike but who are in fact as imbecile and cowardly as their predecessors . This is well known ; therefore their ferocious aspect and bullying tone will excite no fear among our men , who , we are persuaded , only require the word of command to rouse them to duty .

      Our Admiral has been recently inspecting his men in the North , and from the favourable report he has given us of their spirit and determination , we think all is right in that quarter . Now we call all to be up and deing , and lose not a moment in preparing for the coming contest . Let all evince a spirit of emulation , and shew that no obstacle whatever shall cool their courage or diminish their zeal in the cause of universal

      freedom-We have seen the firmness of our Chartist brethren evinced in the opposition given to the minions of corruption , who have traversed the length and breadih of the land to create division in our ranks . Hypocrisy and sophistry have intruded into our assemblies and been expelled , covered with merited disgrace ; brute force has raised its blood-stained arm against the adherents of our cause while in peaceful pursuit of the general interest ; and this monster has been compelled to make an inglorious retreat . From this we augur that our men are well-disciplined and that we sk&ll £ O on from conquering to conquer , and that e-rery attack mil place U 3 more firmly on the vantage ground .

      We must now come to close quarters with our antagonists , and , casting aside all their assumed commisseration for existing distress , and all their hollow promises of attention to the condition of the people , pin them down to the only remedy for the evils of the state—the adoption of the principles embodied in the People ' s Charter . We have had quantum svfficit of professions and promises . We can no longer repose confidence in faction . We demand eqnal justice for all , end from this demand we will not , cannot , swerre . Chartists . YOU havs hflfnrft vnn ihat n ^ m ' roHla Chartistsyou have before ou that admirable

      , y document , the National Petition , -which does unspeakable honour to your Executive , and casts the lauded compositions of our oollege-bred legislators into the shade . It is the production , not of mere theorists , but of practical men , and its every line bears the stamp cf equity and truth . It has been submittad to your consideration ; it has been the subject of deliberation at your various gatherings ; it has met with your unanimous approval , and we now feel it car duty to call upon you to consummate the work so ably begun .

      Hitherto the Executive have nobly , zealously and faithfully discharged their duty , and now you , individually must , and we believe will , perform yours . Let every member of the National Charter Association take the affair into his own hands , as though the fate of the Petition depended entirely on his own individual exertions . Let him take a copy of the petition , with sheets for signatures , to his own home , and at each leisure hour ( and alas ! too many of

      yon have too many such hoars ) visit his neighbour ' s houses and obtain their signatures . Not a street , lane , or alley must be neglected . But mind , let every signature attached to the petition be genuine . We know that " Plagne" petitions have merged from private manufactories ; but we want no fictitious names attaching to our petition ; we have more than the required number of sterling Chartists , and the names of such are now all we require . Up then ! and tbe

      FOTJE . MILLION'S will Boon be in array to the terror « f earth ' s proud tyrants . Yes , the effect of this your petition yrill be gall and wormwood to all the despots of the earth , and it will el&to the drooping spiritfl of every Blave under thiir fell dominion . A great responsibility rests upon the Chartist missionaries at the present juncture . The effect of

      their industry must now be made manifest by the number of signatures procured in the field of their labours . They have certainly laboured most sedulously in the culture of the minds of the people , and now it may be reasonably expected that the fruit will be produced . They must labour in its collection . Each must be prepared with petitions and petition sheets , and , at the conclusion of every lecture , present their sheets to the audience for

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      signatures . We have always viewed the missionaries as pioneers in oar cause , who have been preparing the way for the coming str .-aggie , and moat nobly have they done ( heir duty , - ^ nti having Arrived at the present Btage in oar caree j } we feel confident they will now be at their post , f ind lose not a moment in the performance of this t jieir duty . The responsibility rests D . ofc alone with the missionaries : every local senator , and every officebearer , must now , without the least delay , use every

      effort in contributing to perfest the work . Not a single meeting most be allowed to terminate without having an accession of numbers to the petition ; « nd this must be begun instant ** - * . A most stu . pendous work is to be performed within a limited period , and on the manner in which the work is performed , greatly depends the fate of the nation . Diligenoe « nd perseverance is ' now required to give success to oar efforts . In the name of a Buffering community , we ask it on the part of our Associated brethren , and we know that we shall not ask in

      . O'Cojwob waits the fulfilment of yoar promises , and expects that the various localities will be prepared with their tens of thousands ofrecordedChartists as he visits each district . We hear that many , very many , localities are strenuously exerting themselves to complete the required number . We rejoice at hearing of their diligence , but we Bay all , ALL to the work , and let ns speedily have that pill for the

      Tories—FOUR MILLIONS !! That is the number . We must not have less . We are extremely sorry to learn that in one or two localities a few pragmatical and thin-skinned individuals have become incorporated with the Association , and have recently disturbed the harmony of the meetings , by the introduction of extraneous matter ! the venting of private piques , and the ebullition of anger at every proceeding not squaring with their own caprice . Such conduct ought not to be tolerated ; however , as we have good reason for believing that this has been but too frequently the case , we shall , without fear of giving offence , pronounce all parties guilty of such conduct hereafter as the

      most insuperable stumbling-blocks in our path . Union is our motto and without it we shall continue in our present abject and degraded state . Those who create unnecessary broils by the introduction of matter foreign to the declared object of the Association , are its moBt deadly foes . They are not Chartists , in tbe strict sense of the term . They will , we confidently calculate , be found not only lukewarm in the furtherance of the petition ; but actually to throw impediments in the way . Thank God , this evil is not wide spread ; yet circumscribed as it is , we must caution oar good men and true to be on the alert . Admonish the disturbers , and should they still remain refractory , then turn them over to their friends—the Whigs or Tories .

      O'Conis'or , as you will perceive by the present number , has M laid" the evil spirit in Scotland . Brewster , is now stripped of his borrowed plumes , and appears to tbe world in all his naked deformity ; his race is ran , and peace and harmony is restored among our Scottish ranks . May all such dissemblers be as signally defeated , and the like happy results ensue ! These remarks have reference to but very few ; and we trust the hint will have the desired effect . In conclusion , we conjure our friends to be firm , vigilant , and determined , and let bo artifice of tbe enemy divert them from the speedy preparation of the National Petition for 1842 . Remember that now

      is the tune for work : ALL most work , and we must have , at least , FOUR MILLIONS !

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      THE MASONS' STRIKE . We have received , in reference to this subject , the folio rring letter from tbe Chairman of the operative masons of the metropolis : — £ ¦ A h fe k&fk wfe H V

      ^^ x . ^ w urn * v ^ p « w ^ n ^ ««— - ^* * ^^ ^ ^^* m ^ **^ ^« *«^ . * - TO THE EDITOB OF THE NORTHERN STAR . " 6 , Mason-street , Lambeth , Oct . 31 st , 1841 . " Dear SrR , —I find in your columns of Saturday a letter , purporting to come from a Mr . Watts , containing certain allegations which , in my opinion , ought to be corrected , as they are not strictly true . " Novr , Mr . Editor , the masons never made any complaint as a body in reference to the Stary as you inserted every article which they forwarded to you . The body of masons had no desire to make their strike an editorial squabble : all they asked from the London press and from you was full and fair insertion , as Messrs . Grissell and Peto publicly denied those charges which tbe masons had made privately to them .

      " There are , amongst the turn-outs , men of all opinions , religious and political ; therefore tbe public will see this is not a strike of the petition-carriers , but of all . With respect to the statement that twenty-four of the masons havo relinquished the Star , I do not bjelieve it . I have a higher opinion of their jndgment and good sense , and being continually amongst them , I never heard one individual say he would give it up . I , as an individual , am indignant at the conduct of Mr . Watts , in sending forth this libel on our discrimination . u Hoping you will give this insertion in your next , in order that the public mind maj bo disabused , " I beg to subscribe myself , " Your obedient humble servant " And constant reader , " Robert Macdonald .

      " P . S . —One word relative to the striko which still continues , but which I doubt not will bo brought to a speedy and succesful termination . Already have the trades of London subscribed nearly £ 400 , and the Scottish Association voted ub £ 500 ; thus the public will see , that the sons of Scotia , and our English fellow-tradesmen , in conjunction with the simultaneous meetings , and our invaluable institution , will ultimately secure a speedy victory . "R . M "

      We perceive that Mr . Allen , the foreman at the New Houses of Parliament , has put forth in the Sun newspaper , a denisl of the various charges made againBt him by the men . If Mr . Allen ' s character of himself be genuine , he is a most meek and godlike parsonage , much . injured and calumniated ; but he must adduce better evidence of his innocence of ehe disgusting crimas charged on him , than his own denial in the Sun newspaper , before he can persuade us in the country to believe that a large body of men would sacrifice the comforts and convenience of employment in opposition to him . We are borne out in this view of the case by the following letter from tho masons' body , published in the Evening ' s Sun of the same day as Allen ' s denial of the charge : — " CHALLENGE TO MR . ALLEN , FOREMAN OF

      THE NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT . " XO THE EDITOR OF THE SO'N . " Sir , —Finding in the morning edition of The Sun ttua day a letter from Mr . Allen , denying the charge made against him on Friday night at the Crown and Anchor , we beg leave , through the medium of your journal , to again challenge Mr . Allen to come forward and prove that these charges are not true . We are willing to submit the case to arbitration , and Mr . Allen can bring all the evidence

      that be can produce that the charges are false . Now , Sir , it is quite clear that to submit the case to arbitration iB the only just means that ean be adopted to prove the truth or fallacy of those charges . If Mr . Allen be innocent , he need not shrink from public investigation . »• , ? r ere -l ifherefase 8 t 0 aoce P this challenge , the pubhc will at once be couvinoed that the charges brought against him © annot be refuted . Signed , on behalf of the Operative Masons , w Robert M'Donald . Chairman . "

      We perfectly accede to the opinion that , if Mr . Aixew does not accept the challenge , it is because he feels conscious that the charges against him cannot be refuted . We would impress upon all the trades throughout the whole empire that this iB no trifling matter . It is a trial of the spirit and determination of the workmen which will decide their future fate ; and if they suffer the masons of London to be beaten in this straggle , they must expect , and will deserve , to have like modes of tyranny developed in every trade and every place through the whole country . Let there be no apathy then ; let every workman consider himself deeply interested , and lay his shoulder firmly to the wheel

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      BIRTHS EXTRAORDINARY . * " Buckingham Palace , Nov . 9 . " This morning , at twelve minutes before eleven o ' clock , the Queen was happily delivered of a Prince , bis Royal Highness Prince Albert , her Royal Highness the Duchess of Kent , several Lords of her Majesty's Moat Hon . Privy Council , and the Ladies of her Majesty ' s Bedohamber , being . present . : - ¦ , ;¦ . ., . ¦ ¦ : ¦ ¦ ¦ . ¦ . . •¦ ¦ , , [ . ' : ¦ ¦ . ; " This great and important news was immediately made known to thft town by the firing of tbe Park and Tower guna ; and the Privy Council being assembled as -soon as possible thereupon , at the Connoil Chamber , Whitehall , it was ordered that ft Form of Thanksgiving for the Queen ' s safe delivery of a Prince be prepared by his Grace the Arohbishop of Canterbury , to be used in all churches and chapels throughout England and Wales , and the town of Berwick-upon-Tweed , on Sunday , the 14 th of November , or the Sunday after thQ respective ministers shall receive the same . " Her Majesty and the Infant Prince are , God be praised , both doing well . "— London Gazette Extraodinary . We give the above from the Times at- Wednesday morning . From the same page of the same paper we give also the following : — " On tbe 25 th of December , last , FIVE WOMEN WERE CONFINED IN TWO BEDS , IN THE SAME ROOM , and THREE WOMEN WERE ACTUALLY DELIVERED IN A SINGLE BED AT THE SAME TIME . Proper attention was not paid to them , and one woman having died in her ACCOUCHEMENT ( we know not whether upou the same occasion ) , no inquest was held , and no notice was taken of her death . " We exhort our readers to look on both pictures , and then on their bended knees to bless God for his merciful interposition in the preservation of Royalty .

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      J . Leach . —We cannot give him the information he asks for . Wm . Cooper . —Although your letters were stamped , they might have been'too heavy . O'Brien's Press Fund . —Received by the Liverpool O ' Brien ' s Press Committee , from a tailor ' s shop , 12 * . Chartist Blacking . —Roger Pindcr ' s address is 5 , Wentheritl ' s Place , Carr Lane , Hull . Malton . —Wm . Robinson , Chartist secretary , of Malton , writes us , in contradiction of the statement that application had been made to Earl Filzwilliam's agent for the use of the public room for the Malton Chartists .

      M . N . —We have sent his letter to the secretary of the institution he alludes to , which will probably have all the effect he wishes . If the practice be stitl continued , let him write again , and we will publicly denounce it . A . M . — We fear there is no remedy ; if his daughter be not absolutely " destitute , she can demand no relief , and has no claim on the putative jather , otherwise than for the reimbursement of the parish . Such are the provisions of the hmeit New Poor Law . The Poets . — We have a jackass load of poetry that ' we have not yet had time to read . J . Jordan . —To be impudent is not the way to get his communication inserted .

      An Engineer , of Bath , need never makeup Stars in a parcel and pay carriage for them . They will always go free through the post-office if nothing be written on them save the direction , and if they be folded open « t the ends . Exchange of Lecturers . —A correspondent writes — " There is one plan which I have for some time meditated on , and which would , I apprehend , be beneficial to all parties : it is this : —If six sepa ~ rate districts could be formed , which I believe is already done , and could agree amongst themselves to exchange their lecturers every six weeks . The six lecturers taking ( heir turns in rotation , would thus be thirty weeks , or rather more than half a year , absent from any one district . Fewer

      than six districts might thus form ; but the more the better . Each lecturer has his own peculiar method of expressing his ideas . Some are humourous ; others grave : some argumentative ; ethers declamatory . It is the same with their hearers : hence the good arising from exchange . Ad would be pleased and satisfied , and all instructed in the way most agreeable to his natural disposition . North Lancashire is desirous of acting upon this plan , and earnestly solicits the attention of the already-formed districts to a due consideration thereof . It was found to act well in the exchange between Messrs . Bairstow and Leach , two of our ablest lecturers , and could not fail to be equally advantageous on a more extended scale . Should any district be agreeable to

      an immediate exchange of their lecturer with North Lancashire , they can do so by communicating to Wm . Iieeslty , chair-maker , Abbeystreet , Accrington . " Ma . Cleave has received , 8 s . 6 d . per Mrs . Dolling , collected by her from a fe ~ a friends at Wandsworth , for Mrs . Frost s Fund . Stars to Ireland . —Persons sending Stars to Ireland must be careful not to write on them anything but the address . Mr . M'Donald , ofNewry writes us , that the last two months only five Stars have been received there that have not been changed 2 s . each , in consequence of something being written on them . Air . M * D . wishes to ask Wm . Cordeux , of York , if he received o postoffice order from Newry , for 4 s . 6 d ., for the York demonstration , as they have never seen it

      mentioned . Wigton Chartists must excuse us , we have no room . The character of Mr . Harney is now sufficiently established . John Holdswobth must not be offended with us :. we do not wish to hurt his feelings , but we really advise him to give up writing poetry . John Haigh , of Little Horlon , near _ Bradford , writes us a simples touching story of distress , the consequence of tyranny . lie has been a labourer at Horton sixteen years , and brought up a family in honourable independence , having had no parish assistance , save once , about three years ago , when lying on a sick bed . Being a Chartist , he has been proscribed , and unable to find any

      employment of any description since last Easter . This forced him in the long run to apply to the "Guardians" who relieved him for three or four weeks , and then forced him , his wife , and three cAiidren from the house that sheltered them , on a stormy , rainy day , driving them to Huddersfield , whence they had again to travel on foot to Cumberworth , eighteen miles , whence they were again sent by the Guardians to Kirkheaton , and ultimately again driven out and returned to Horton This worthy and industrious man , with his family , must now either starve and die , beg and go to prison , or rob and be transported , as the overseer of Horton declares that he will "be rid Of the d—dCha » l \ slP The Motmn / s Chronicle excuses the peculation of ^ 6200 , 000 in the

      Exchequer Office on the plea that the thief was inadequately remunerated for his labour . What excuse would the Morning Chronicle offer for John Haigh if he should walk home , some fine day , with as much provision as would support his famity for a week ? There is an old adage which says , The sauce for a goose should be sauce for a gander" We hope the Chronicle does not intend toconfine its extenuating doctrine totheExchequer Office : if so , it is most unjust . But if . it is to apply also to the hundreds of thousands of inadequately remunerated labourers , we shall have less objection ; and we have no doubt that they will cry out , "A Daniel come to judgment" He advise John Haigh , hoicever not to act upon the Chronicle ' s suggestion .

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      John Cadie ** , BtisroN . —Yet ' .-: the small copies 4 $ d . each . His report ought to have reached us last ¦ ¦ ' week . ¦¦ ¦ ¦ ¦' . ' . ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ^ ; ' " i '¦'•¦ ' Anglo HlBBBSrcs is quite mistaken m supposing that his plan would be any remedy for the 4 vil justly complained of by our compositors . We have no disposition to impose any tax upon any body , but we think that while u > & are doing all we can to accommodate the people , we ¦ have a right to expett some little exhibition of the accommediating principle in return . The matter is simply for the consideration of ow correspond ents whether they wish ttieir communications to beattended to ; ij ' they do , they must toritit only on one side , , ;

      Gracchus must excuse us ; press of matter has driven by his communication , though we have not lost sight of it . J . R RicHMom— -His letter has been forwarded to the Secretary . Democrats . — We never heard of a census of the whole world being taken . Most works on Geo-. graphy give estimated tables of the population of the different countries they describe . Mas . FL 7 MN , Bbadfobd . —Mr . Alderson has received , for Mrs . Flynn , Is . lOd . from Mr . Idson , of Manningham , and Is . from Mr . Ainley , of Manchester Road . Mr . Alderson will receive , at his shop , Bank-street , subscriptions for Mis . Flynn , who is now in great need of relief—her husband lying in Leeds Infirmary ,

      with Ms leg broken in two places ¦ by an accident while going on a delegation to Leeds for the Chartists of Bradford . A Friend to the Charter , Loughrea , next week . Clerical Indecency . —A Correspondent at Huddersfield sends us , under this head , an indignant exposure of an outrage upon the morals and decencies of civilized soeiety , recently committed by a clergyman in that neighbourhood , under the guise of sermonizing upon a portion of Scripture . He states his manners and language to have been totally unfit for description or publication ^ and says that such was the impression produced upon the congregation , especially the

      female portion of it , that numbers left the church in the middle oj the sermon . Hyde Chartists complain of repeated disappointment from lecturers not attending to their engagements . They have been disappointed so frequently , that they can never calculate upon a lecturer until they see him in the town , and they attribute to this much of the apathy complained of in the people of Hyde . This is infamous , and must be immediately remedied . No man ought to allow his name to be placed upon a plan , and then negleet his appointments . Stanningley- —A correspondent writes us that a lecture was delivered here , but he neither says when nor by whom .

      Manchester Demonstration . — . 4 / the late demonstration , parlies from Macclesfield , Keighley , and Preston called upon a gentleman of Manchester to borrow money with an understanding that it should be remitted as early as possible . He therefore calls upon them to make good their promises . Birmingham . —The Frost Committee ' s correspondence next week . The Address to the Polish People next week . Robert Chalmers and Parks . —Their address must stand over . Alva Chartists . — Tlie person about whom they write is not in prison- ' We have heard , recently , of his being at large , and not very creditably

      oocupted . Patrick O'Higgins . —His letter was received too late for attention this week . It akall be inserted in our next . Richard Wakeham , 5 , Broad-street , Golden-square . —The letter from Helston has been received , but must stand over for the present . Thadv Cafferky , of BaUaghatemine , county of Mayo , Ireland , will be thankful to any Chartist who will send him a weekly Star . Wm . Tillman must stand over . Wm . Hodgetts . —Thanks for the report of the villain Harrison ' s , trial and conviotion . We may use it another time . F . W . Smith must stand over . Greenqck Christian Chartist Church must stand

      over . Forest Gray must stand over . Spectator . — We have not yet had time to read the very long letter for which he asks a corner . Joseph Johnstons . — We have no room . James Dixon must stand over . J . D . Edgar . —There is no reason why the Chartists of Neweastfe should not meet in as many different places as may suit their convenience , and be still-ell joined in the National Charier Association . There seems to be a misunderstanding on this subject in many places . We must try to correct it J . M . Sheffield . —Mr . O'Higgins lives at 14 , North Ann-street , Dublin . H . Cresswell . —The writer in Vie Northern Star who signs " Gracchus" is not Mr . John Walkins . Chartist Blacking . —Roger Finder , 5 , Weatherall ' s Plate , Car Lane , Hull , desires us to acknowledge the following list of monies due to the Executive from the sale of his blacking : — s . d . Mr . Harris , Hull 0 10 Mr . Nicholson , ditto 0 5 Mr . Rippon , ditto ... ... 0 5 Mr . Amblin . ditto 0 5 2 1 If this honest Chartist teas properly supported , he alone ought to be able to support ( he Executive . —Ed . Peter Kigby must stand over . George Beere must stand over . Joseph Woodruffe . —Yes .

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      A Hawick Chartist . —The next will be announced as soon as the necessary number is complete . ' FOR THE WIVES AND FAMILIES OF THE INCARCERATED CHARTISTS . £ 8 . d . From Clerbenwell , London , Id . per week subscription , collected by H . M . 6 3 „ Mr . C ., by'ELM 0 3 0 6 6

      FOR R . J . RICHARDSON . From the Chartists of AIv » ., 10 0 „ Brington , near Daventry , per Wm . Darlow and D . Marks 2 4 „ Whilton , dittojiitto 5 0 7 i Postage and Order ... 0 i 0 7 0 „ Hawick , being proceeds of a ball ... 0 19 2 FOR STARS TO IRELAND . From J . M ., Sheffield 0 1 0

      FOR B . M -DONALD , LOUGHREA . From Hugh Donohoe , London , 5 0 .. C . H . Cock , ditto 0 2 0 0 7 " o

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      On Tuesday evening , a large muster of the " workies" was had in the Music Hall , to hear their friend and champion detail tbe glorious triumphs of Chartism daring his tour in the North . Mr . O'Connor ' s visit was quite unexpected . He " dropped on us" alt at once . There was no time for either preparation or arrangement , &s he only came into Leeds on Monday evening . The placards were therefore only posted on Tuesday . Notwithstanding , howeyer , this want of notice , and notwithstanding that a money impost was necessarily laid upon the people , for the defraying of expences , the Saloon of the Music Hall was filled ; not to overflowing , but as full as it could be to be comfortable , with the hardy sons of toil waiting

      to hear the words of instruction from their beloved chief . When we entered the hall , a little before eight o ' clock , O'Connor was just coming in , and the cheers reverberated through and through the building as if the very roof should crack . After the cheering had somewhat subsided , Mr . Westlake was , on the motion of Mr . Andrew Gardner , unanimously called to the chair . The Chairman opened the meeting in a few brief and appropriate observations and then introduced Mr . O'Connor to the meeting . The cheering again prevented him , for some time , from being able to proceed . At length , however , he got leave to speak , and in his usual strain of overpowering eloquence , castigated both factions for above two hours . We shall not attempt an outline of the speech . Suffice it that withering sarcasm , keen reproof , and well directed invective , were not

      more freely and deservedly lavished on the props and pillars of corruption , than were the just powers of description and deduction employed in demonstrating to the people from all passing circumstances the improved position and prospects of the Chartist cause . Much interest was excited by his glowing , description of the H sober enthusiasm" of the Scottish Chartists , and the ignominious and disgraceful ront of Brewster , the state priest . We have not often heard a more fierce burst of execration than followed on his mention of the filthy local organ in which O'Brien was last week described as haying come upon the platform at Huddersfield * ' drank , and no mistake 2 " At the conclusion of Mr . O'Connor ' s speech , Mr . Andrew Gabdneb moved that FeargusO'Connor , Esq . do represent the Leeds Chartists in the forthcoming Convention .

      Mr . F . R , Lees rose to second the motion of Mr . Gardner , and spoke in a most effective manner . After detailing the grounds on which he asked for tneir Bupport'to- the proposition that Mr . O'Connor should represent them in the forthcoming Convention , he entered broadly into the question of Labour versus Capital , stating that Mr . O'Connor was at the head of a new school of political economists , which took the first element , labour , into their calculations , and , so doing , arrived at quite different conclusions to those who arrogated

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      to themselves exclusively that designation . - Mi * were the works that had bwn professedly writt on political economy , most of , which he had rew and from Adam Smith downwards to MCulW every one- of them left out of their " science" thj principal element ; not one of them © engidery labour as at all involved or , at all connected wij their theories . This was . tte reason wiy jc application of their ? principles to practie « had . produced such mal-arrangement and dfc . astroasj effects . He also successfully combjUjj tbe pefe < -ry ot the practical * . Mho said , •* J { u impossible for you to catrjithe Charier for a Ion time ; bnt if you will joi * us for a Repeal of 2 Corn ; Laws , we can soon accomplish / Ao * object , aw it wilt beaaiimmediate measure of relief . " Grantito he said , for the moment , that it wtfnld be a measS of relief , a position that was more than donb

      ful , —he would ask the most sanguine * them if they could hope so to work upon % Parliament as to can ; the measure in less than fa years ! He held this to be Impossible : so that tl | measure of relief would not be so immediate alt all ! . and this measure , paltry and insignificant ask would prove to be , would have to . be carried at « expence of means , and time , and money , that would carry the Charter itself , which would place % people in a position to upset every monopoly , repei * every bad law , and seoare to themselves their shin of the benefits resulting , from such repeal . Bi therefore urged them to agitate for the Charter , m secure for themselves the fail measure ot their right . Mr . Lees was loudly cheered throughout the whA

      ofhis excellent speech . > . The motion was put and carried unanimously . Mr . O'Connor thanked the meeting for this mj * of confidence ; declared that he should be happj j , serve them ; that he was aware that the danger < bis position would be muoh enhanced -after % 4 , 000 , 000 of signatures were obtained ; but that l , was not the man to shrink from his full share of % responsibility he had helped in creating .. This d « £ ration vtas received by the meeting with the tati enthusiastic cheering . Mr . O'Connor then - » nonnced himself ready-io enrol the names s | ctbj one present wishful to join the Charter Associati *; and-fifty names were immediately handed in . After a vote of thanks to the Chairman ,, the mt& ing broke up highly gratified with the evening ' s pt > ceedings .

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      H 3 EDS . —The Committee for the O'Brien Pi * Fund met last Saturday evening , when it mj resolved that a notice should be sent to all the Ctat . tist papers requesting all who hold monies colleotaj for the above purpose to be kind enough to send tin * to the S / ar-ofBce , on or before Dec 1 st , when tber will be handed over to Mr . Brook , Secretary t » the Committee , and b y him to Mr . O'Connori account . Resolved further , in accordance with i * arrangement of the Committee with Mr . O'Briei that J &r . O'Connor be requested to pay to Mr , O'Brien , or his order , the money , whenever it shiQ have accumulated to tbe sum of £ 20 ,

      [ In reference to this resolution , the Clerk at Ofo office begs to request that the respective suntlt sent at once to Mr . Brook , secretary to the coo . mittee" as it is quite . unnecessary that th » should pass through two hands previous to thn reaching Mr . O'Connor ; and as lie ( the Cleti ) has already a great amount of labour impo ^ i upon him in attending , gratuitously , to the ami funds and subscriptions sent to this office . IV people will , therefore , vote that whatever monitt are subscribed for the O'Brien Press Fund mu be sent at once io " Mr . Brook , secretary to Sit committee , and by Mm to Mr . O'Connor . " Wt hope this arrangement will be strictly attended to , that no person may have unnecessary traiik —Ed . 1

      BRADFORD . —Important to Votees .-0 j the 23 rd ultimo , an action was tried in the Hoawi Court of Pontefract , brought by Mr . Tiv ^ hj Ingham , auctioneer , &e . against John Robson , jto , objector general on behalf of the Whigs , for «* peuaationfor loss of time in attending the ReTiaii Barristers'Court for this borough , at great inconvenience to sustain his vote ; the objection bebj waived immediately on the plaintiff presenting himself to support his qualification . The case , whiei occupied the Court a considerable time , was

      conducted by Mr . Clarkson and defended by Mr , Crpssley . It appeared that nearly three hundred objections had been indiscriminately made by the Whigs , and in the case of Mr . Ingham without 1117 inquiry by the defendant as to the propriety of the objections ; he was informed that compensation would be claimed unless the objections were withdrawn previously to the Court day . Mr . MwshiU , the Judge , took time to consider of this novel can , and on Monday last delivered judgment in faroorof the plaintiff , being of opinion that he had dearly made out a case calling for damages .

      Horton . —Highway Robbery . —As Mr . John Hardy , farmer , of Little Horton , was retnraiM home late on Saturday night last , was robbed of twelve pounds and a few shillings ; the rnonej belonged to a lodge , tbe Independent Order of Gardeners , held at the Black Horse Inn . Hems within forty yards of his own home , when he was way-laid by four villains , who threw him down and stopped his month to prevent him crying out . Thej got clear off with their booty , and are not known .

      Low-Moor . —Pkightpvl Accident . —On Fndtj ' afternoon week , a boy named George Sheard had his skull dreadfully fractured by a stone tallins ; out of the eide of a pit , belonging to Messrs . Leah and Co ., Byerley Ironworks . No hopes whatever a » entertained of his recovery . HEYWOOD . —Hunt ' s Birthday . —The Radicals of this village celebrated the birth-day of this noble patriot , on Saturday , the 6 th instant , at ths house of John Hampson . " About twenty-six sat down to supper .

      CKARJLESTOWW . — Hunts — Birthday . —0 a Saturday evening , a large number of the admirers of that great aud good man , Henry Hunt , met at the house of Mr . John Shaw , in Charlestown , to commemorate his birth . They sat down to an excellent supper , provided for the occasion . After having done justice to the ample and homely fa ^ r and the cloth was withdrawn , Mr . Aitken , who has suffered nine months in Kirkdale , for mtoeating the cause of the people , was called en to preside . The usual patriotic toasts were given from the chair , and were ably responded to . A nappj evening was spent .

      SHEFFIELD . —Murder . —About mid-day , on Sunday , two men , of the names of Stringer and Rogers , who are near neighbours , were quarrelling near the Brown Sow , Red-cross , when Rogen stabbed Stringer in the most brutal manner Mow the side and neck , so as to let out his bowels , an * pierce the neck quite through . Stringer died on w forenoon of Monday , about eleven o ' clock , up w which hour he lingered in great agony . There an strange reports connected with this transaction , id * plicating both parties , as well as two other lnfli * viduais , in a robbery at Heeley , and stating tb « w quarrel arose about the division of the spoil . " ° S vi wife was tho more immediate occasion of the ami " act . Rogers , however , is in custody , and the wno » affair will be investigated .

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      More Physical Force . —It is expected that w «* will be an inorease of at least twenty companies w the marine force immediately , there d 0 ' !^* one available man fit for duty ; indeed , the dins ™ at Portsmouth is so reduced , they could only farn ^ one captain , one lieutenant , and twelve men to vw Vindictive ; and most of the ships in the DWM " have but a few men temporarily supp lied w vm to keep up the appearance of a guard . —« Standard . Decrease in the Consumption of T * ?*^ - Ale . —The decrease in the consumption of Jiw M . the lOih of October , 1840 , to the 10 th - of-Oo » jJ 1841 , in London and its vicinity , amounts ^ tono " ^ than 41 , 924 quarters ; the quantity "s ?" ., - ^ having been 776 , 219 quarters , and in l »* i o ^ - * 734 , 295 quarters .

      Fatal Accident on the Great Westekn R "jjj way . —On Friday afternoon an inquest *» ''L before Mr . Higgs , at St . George's HospitaliT " the body of EcTmand Greening , aged twen ^ J * who was killed through the passing o " . » . «! L waggon over his body , under the Mlowmg « r ^; stances : —William Riddle , a workman '» «¦•» , ploy of the Great Western Railway Compw deposed , that at eleven o ' clock on &tiwtor « gjg [ a luggage-waggon , weighing four tons , «™ . ' r eW j goods in it weighing about a ton , was by «> £ unp » given to it , running slowly into one <> £ *¦*? r ^ j when the deceased , who was crossing th ® / r 5 foot hold of the buffer in order tostead * bimself . ^ J ^ slipped , and he fell across the line , the wheels « « £ waggon going over his body . The iflP 6 * , * , ^—* waggon was sot-light , that ifo wheels wwwJ . JS tfuSreATmu ! av « . ftvA HaaammI theV alflWfit W »?"

      upo » the body . The deceased ww l ^ ° ^ placed in a coach , but he died on his wr » ^ hospital . Mr . Henry Lse , the house-snMpOT j ,,,, tailed the injuries received by ^ he ^ f ^ lTZ ^ jury immediately returned a verdict of * w ™^ death .-4 # ^ ^ Pi

      The Ffosthern Star. Saturday, November 13, 1841.

      THE ffOSTHERN STAR . SATURDAY , NOVEMBER 13 , 1841 .

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      The National Petition . —Our publisher , Mr . Hobson , has printed the National Petition for 1842 , on a neat sheet , for the purpose of being extensively distributed amongst those from whom signatures are asked , that they may know for what they are signing . He is ready to supply them to the Associations and to individuals at the following charges : —100 copies for 2 s ; 1 , 000 / or 15 s . Petition sheets , of good strong paper , ruled in four columns , and holding two hundred names when filled , may also be had , price Id . each . Secretaries and persons who need , them have only to send an order addressed to Mr . // ., enclosing a post-office order , or stamps , to the amount , and they may have sent to their address any number they require , on pointing out the best and cheapest route . The Petition and sheets may also be had from Mr . Cleave , London : and Mr .

      Heywood , Manchester . But in all cases the money must be sent in advance—the price being so low as to preclude credit . ftS * We would call the especial notice of the Lancaand Yorkshire friends to the above notice . From what appears in another place , they will see that Mr . O Connor intends to visit them during the next fortnight ; and it will be well for each town to be well supplied with sheets for signatures . We must have the 4 . 000 , 000 I * » * The friends at Glasgow had belter arrange for the supply of Scotland with sheets and Petitions . If the other towns would communicate with the friends in 'Glasgow as to the number each will require , they could have them from Leeds to Glasgow in one bundle , and then distribute them as occasion served . We commend this to a Glasgow Committee , and our Scottish friends generally .

      Feargus O'Connor In Leeds.

      FEARGUS O'CONNOR IN LEEDS .

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      4 THE NORTHERN STAR , _ : - ,.. ¦ . . / ,. ' . " : . : . . _ . __ 1 II ¦ - . - - r - 1 HI I ¦ ¦¦¦—¦ ¦ ¦ M - ¦ I ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦¦— ¦ . . . I . ¦¦ - ¦—¦ - ^ -1 — I ¦¦ . I—I I , ' ' - || HI ' " ' - " "' . ' - ' ***¦* _ ' - ' ' . ! ¦¦¦ -I ¦«¦ ¦¦¦ ¦ — " , " " ' -- * " ' . ' . . ¦ "" .. " "" . '"¦ ' ¦ ' ' ' ¦¦ ¦¦¦¦ ' ¦ — I ' ¦¦¦¦>»¦¦¦— - * ¦¦»¦*— ¦¦¦¦ ^— ' ¦ ^^

  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), Nov. 13, 1841, page 4, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct869/page/4/