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      the following morning , lint it «* s negati-red by a large fnajnritf . . Mr . W . Beggs , Nottingham , wu received with cheers . He stood there for no idle object , and for no trifling purpose . Tb « y saw them tana ' s of their fellow 2 aen ground down to the lowest pitch of moral and physio ! < Jebe- ) cn » € nt by class legislation , and therefore , be thought the time had come when they ought to direct tier tuergirs to deliver the people from the misery and the oppression by which they were norrounded—( hear , bear . ) When he first took tip this movement , the principles ef radical reform were not in fyg ascendant . He bad been connected with the old political unions , and although at one time he contemplated devoting bis time and energies te the promotion of temperarjca , and the spread of education , his attention was at length directed very forcibly to the state of the people , and be saw that there was no prospect whatever of obtaining political Justice , excepting by

      giving to them the fpmrrnoA—( bear , hear . ) He therefore signed , the declaration ef Mr . Starve , and he was gsxkms to see the Six Points involved in the hill , to pass into a law—{ bear , hear , ) Every day impressed in a itrosg degree npon his attention the necessity of conceding tb&i great meed of justice to the people . At the last Conference many crotchets were introdneed , bnt"be rejo ced to ny that the psople were bow more united , and he believed that no opposition could prevent the Six Points being carried —( hear , hear , hear . ) He had the same confident reliance as he ever had that what wu tnte would prevail , and that what was f-JaewooJd perish , because it was the nature of truth to flourish under the most discouraging circumstances , and it was the nature of errorto destroy itself . —( hear , hear . ) He had seen a Bill which had been prepared for recognising the Six Points , and it became his doty to direct their attention to the four resolutions which were alluded to in the fourth paragraph of the programme . Mr . Beggs then read the following resolutions —

      L—That this Conference convened in conformity with a resolution passed at the first Complete Suffrage Conference , held at Birmingham , April 4 th— 8 th , 1842 , and having for its paramount object the consideration of the necessary details of a bill embodying the principle * then agreed npon , viz : —The extension of the Suffrage to all male adults , not deprived of the rights Of ritiBTVfhip by a verdict of s jury of their countrymen—vote by ballot—equal electoral districts—abolition of a property qaalifk&tioti for members of Parliament—payment of members for their services—and « nr , TT . i parliaments ;—do now declare its adoption Of thef t * -principles ; pledges itself to employ such mesas only for obtaining the legislative recognition of them as ere of a strictly just , peaceful , legal , and constitutional character ; and wQl forthwith proceed to fulfil the mission with which it has been entrusted , resolved i » suppott Hs chairman in preventing tbe introduction of any proposition not in accordance therewith .

      2 . —That m this Conference will resist the introduction of any topic not obviously relevant to its main design , so it also dix-fatm * ail interference with existing organisations , recognising as ifr paramount duty , the arriving , if possible , at & cordial agreement in-reference to tbe object towards which peaceful agitation may be directed . 3—That this Conference , agreeable to resolution 17 , passed at the first Conferencs , is prepared to receive and to consider all documents which may be laid before it , and which may be supposed to contain an embodiment of the necessary details for working out the principles already recognised .

      4—That the document * so to be preesntsd to this Conference , be taken into consideration at the openi : g of our next Session , by a Committee consisting of the whole body of the delegates ; and that tbe Committee be instructed to observe the following roles : —1 . That the bill to be presented by the Condi of tbe 'Nations ] Complete Suffrage , Union , " be taken as the basis of discussion . 2 . That each clause as it is read shall be considered . pan" pass * , with the correlative elaase of tbe two documents . 3 . That all amfinftments be banded up to the Chairman in writing .

      Ee might state that the Bui would occupy four hours in reading—( laughter)—but he had read the Bill himself , and so far as he was able to judge , the provisions appeared calculated , to accomplish the object they had in view ;—( hear , hear , and " no , " " no- ';) He would not then ga into an abotraet of the Bill , because it would come under discussion at a future stage of the proceedings . He begged * therefore , to move the resolutions . Mr . UusLOPr of Glasgow , seconded the resolutions . Mr . O'Connor and Mr . Lovett roae ai tbe same time , but the farmer gave way , and

      Mr . Lover said , that previous to any amendment being moved , he rose with considerable pain and aaxiety to impress on their friend , Mr . Beggs , the necessity of -withdrawing a portion of the fourth resolution , and to substitute other words—( hear , hear . ) The part that be wished to be withdrawn , and which , for the sake of unanimity , he hoped Mr . Beg * s wonld consent to do , was . ** that the bill to be presented by tbe Coaneil of tbe National Complete Suffrage Association be taken as the basis of discussion * —( hear . ) He -wished tha * Mr . Beggs -would substitute the words , that the bill , or the document entitled tbe People ' s Charter , shall be considered as the basis of diBeasaon /*— ( loud and prolonged cheering . ) Impressed with the conviction , that the present object

      of tbe Complete Soifrsge Union was to effect , if possible , a cordial union between the middle and tbe working classes , and not merely to conciliate one class and neglect tbe other , he had joined that union . He bad dose bis beet to promote that union , believing that the great object they had in view might be accomplished , but , at the same time , he had declared his opinion , that bis definition of Complete SoSrage was founded on the People ' s Charter—( l oud cheers , ) He attended the last conference in Birmingham , and be impressed on tbe gentlemen then assembled the necessity of going for the full measure ofjastioe , it they wowd fc * re the great masseB of tbe people along with them—( hear , bear . ) He was very nappy to find , that at that conference , although many

      persons came there strongly prejudiced against the Charter , yet tbe calm and rational manner in which tbe different points were discussed , convinced tbe gentlemen objecting of tbe propriety of the principles contained in thai document , and one after another they were cordially and almost unanimously adopted —( hear , bear . ) After the Conference had alarmed these different points , be impressed npon them that it was still necessary to go a step further , and in order thai these principles should not be marred in tb » House of Coauoons , that it was necessary for them to agree upon some dear and definite mode for carrying the principles into practice—( hear , hear . ) But some of tnem said , " Many of our friends are prejudiced against the Charter ; some persons will

      think we have gone too far as it is ; don't press tbe resolution at present . " With the understanding , then , that tbe People ' s Charter should be brought forwardfCBd have a prior claim to discussion before all other documents , he consented to waive the resolution , or to bring it forward in the shape it was eventually agreed to ; that shape being , that at the next Conference they should consider the necessary dBUils for wotYizg oat these principles . —( hear , bear . ) He certainly thought now that they had met , that that document would have bad the first claim , —( bear , hear . )—but judge bis surprise to find that alrhonth he was a member of the council of tbe Complete Suffrage Association , be never heard of the bill until he taw it in print . —( Loud cries of "hear ,

      hear /') He mentioned this fact with a great deal of pain , * s he had tbe highest respect for tbe council , and especially for their esteemed Chairman—( bear , tear . ) He thought they had committed an error on this point , that they had yielded to prejudice , and that they would feel tbe injurious effects of their condnet if they pressed this bill—( bear , hear . ) He hoped , however , that they would not press it , or rather that they wonld not place him in a position to put forward an amendment in opposition to the original motion . The effect of their pres . ! Dg it wonld be to split the Conference into two parties , whereas he had hoped that they should know nothing of paity during their discussions—( hear , hear . ) He hGped that Mr . Besgs would allow the Charter to

      be brought forward before the bill prepared by the Complete Suffrage Association—( hear , bear . ) He was not so bigotted in favour of tbe Charter , as to saj that it was perfect , and that no improvements coald be made in it . Let it be bronght before the Conference , —let its details be examined and dise&ssed , with a view to Bee whether any improvements could be made in it , and if so , to adopt them —{ hear , hear . ) But he maintained that tbe Charter had a prior claim . In the first place , ' it had borne the brunt of the present agitation , for £ ve years , as . d in order to secure its enactments , fast numbers of their fellow-countrymen had snfleied imprisonment and transportation —( loud cries of " hear , hear . ") In the next place , when they

      were about , to draw up the People ' s Charter , they applied " to Mr . Roebuck—no mean authority— for the purpose of ascertaining from him whether » n Act © f Parliament could not be drawn up , free from those legal and perplexing technicalities which characterized the laws of this country—( hear , hear hear . ) Mr . Roeback recommended them to draw up the document in such plain and simple kaguage , that all who conld read it , and been able to do so , would be able to appreciate it—( hear , bear . ) ¦ fiie Charter had been drawn up in accordance with this recommendation , and it had carried conviction to the minds of thousands—( cheers . ) On tbe other ^ d jthe bOI of the Complete Suffrage Association ji&d been drawa np with all the forms of law . ¦ lae supporters of tha Charter were opposed to all

      Each b ewildering nonsense— ( cheers . ) What ! after a ppealing to the common sense of the people for five years , now to allow themselves to be bewildered by £ c& of Parliament , when for five years they bad "f& commuting it to the common sense of the people " England ! ( cheers . ) He was one , as theConfer-F ^^ tfn probably be aware , who had differed ma-** f « " 3 "wiih the great body of the Chartists as to toe ««« e of earrjkg that Charter into law . He had wadenmed theconductof many of them . He thought Key pad iLflicted considerable mischief , and bad ^ afi j retarded the cause rand he also thought , * " 2 t it was owing to this cause that & considerable ° > gree of prejudice bad been created in the minds of « e middle ci& ses against the Charter ( bear , hear . ) ¦ Bat afttr all , it was prejudice , and should they yield Principle to prejudice ! ( No , no . ) They might be

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      told that tbe bill preferred by the Coaneil of the Complete Suffrage movement embraced all the principles of the Charter . If it were so , then it was a reason why the bill should not be introdneed , Beeing that the Charter embraced all that tbe people desired to obtain—( hear , bear ) . Why should the association introduce a measure of that deicrip ^ m wbiob ftonld only serve to make wider the lineal demarcation which at present unhappily existed between the various classes of society ?—( hear , heir ) . Why should they be pitted against each other , like cocks in a pit ' , to be laughed at by those who looked in 1—( hear , hear ) . He implored their friends , who , perhaps , from tbe best possible motive ? , bad prepared this bill , to reconsider their steps , in order * that as

      far as possible they might preserve union , and not by wasting their time in trifling distinctions , give their enemies an . opportunity to triumph at the expeneeof the Conference—( hear , hear ) . He wished to have an answer from Mr . Beggs , before he sat down ,, because if that gentleman declined to make the alteration proposed , he should feel it his duty to pursue the course he had pointed oat by proposing an amendment . He hoped that their friends of the Suflrage Association would not place him in that unpleasant poeition-- ( hear , hear ) . He hoped that he should not be accused of having taken this course from factious motives —( No , no ) . He was induced to take this course because be thought that a complete union was the only mode of accomplishing their common objec : —( hear , hear ) .

      Mr . O'Coyxos . did not think t&at he bad any reason to regret his act of courtesy towards Mr . Lovett —/ bear tear . ) Never had he ( 5 » r . O'Connor ) been more pleased in his life than to give way to Mr . Lovett , and never was he more repaid than in listening to the admirable explanation which Mr . Zovett had given —( hear , bear . ) When he beard the resolutions read , be intended to have taken the same objection as that which Mr . Lovett had now made—( hear , hear . ) It had betn his intention to have contrasted the merits of the small bill , with the demerits of the larger bill It had been bis intention to have shown that the bill of tbe Complete Suffrage Association bad not been drawn up wUh legal aeumen , and that from the preamble , through every clause of it , whatever it contained that was valuable ,

      . bad been taken from the Charter , and that it was only that part of the document which was of any value at all If the Complete SuSrage Association admitted that sit that was contained in tbe Charter , was contained in ( be bill itself , why were they not prepared to support it ?—( hear , hear . ) Was there so much attraction in a name that they were rea £ y to sacrifice their principles in order to please the unmeaning scruples of those who were always ready to sacrifice their convlc \ ion » to the mere time-serving expediency of the day—( chttrs . ) 'What abnse bad been poured out against him ( Mr . O ' Connor ) and those who supported the Charter . Why , when he heard of the physical force of the working classes , —wbenhe heard of their obtaining their rights by their rude and rough manner of addressing

      individuals , to what did he attribute all this 7 To tbe condnet of those who reviled the working classes instead of teaching them better ,. by putting them in possession of those civil rights to which by their birthright , and not by a mere abstract theory , they were entitled—( hear , hear , and cheers . ) If they wanted to mako tbe Chartists physically weak , let them make them morally strong —( cheers ) . Why was it that the working classes held aloof from the middle classes ? Because the middle classes had compelled them to do so—( hear , bear , and cheers ) . When the middle classes wished to carry the Reform Bill , they found it convenient and , indeed , necessary , to ask tbe co-operation of the wording classes ^; but having accomplished their object , they kicked away the ladder by which they

      mounted to their elevation , and left the great mass of the people to fall to the ground —( hear , hear , and cheers ) . Things , however , had now taken a turn . The working dastes were no longer tbe tools of a party —( cheers ) . They bad acquired a moral power in the country , which would ultimately destroy all tbe efforts of faction to deprive them of their just demands —( cheers ; . The middle classes were now calling upon tbe working elasses to assist them out of the difficulties into which claes legislation bad plunged them—( bear , hear ) . But the working elasses would not help to destroy either the Wbigs or tbe Tories . Why ? Because they would not derive any benefit from it —( hear , hear ) . What the supporters of the Charter sought for was an union

      between the two —( the middle and working classes)—and then no system of tyranny could long stand before it . They talked ef a " Complete Suffrage Association . " He would have them to form such a " Complete Union " as this , and within six months from that day they would drive tfie present Government oat of the field ; and then they wculd establish another on tbe principles which Mr . Lovett had laid down . Some persons seemed to think that an union of the middle and working classes would destroy bis power —( no , no ) . They were also told that their agitation was injurious —( laughter ) . If that were so , why were they worth being courted?—( cheers . ) They knew the degree of hostility which had been opposed to them , by the press , and by a large portion of the working classes ,

      and yet in spite ef all the taunts and jibes thrown out against them , they stood there as a party worthy the courtship of all parties—( bear , hear , and cheers ) . Those who supported £ k « Complete Suffrage Union , said that there w » nothing in a name . Then why not surrender their little prejudices to the great scruples of the advocates of the Charter?—i cheers ) . If they got rid of every single leader that they now had , In less than tw » hours afterwards they would have as many more . Let them not say that he ( Mr . O'Connor ) led tbe people . It was the people who drove him—( bear , hear ) . Ee was only able to maintain that ¦ h . flaence among the people which consistency would give to every man who preserved it—( hear , hear ) . Then how consolatory it must be to himself and Mr . Lovett , and to every man

      who bad heard him , to rind that they were still standing op for the Charter , name and all—( cheers ; . And now , to show how capable they were of generous acts , and that if . they had committed mistakes , it was in consequents of the intermeddling of third parties , and to prove to the Conference that he ( Mr . O'Connor ) wenld never be a stumbling-block In the way of preserving union « tn «* ig their best friends , he begged to express to Mr . Lovett his Borrow for ever having mistaken his honesty and integrity —( cheers ) . The advocates of the Charfcjr were asked why they did not- support free trade ? They did support it —( hear , hear . ) They were for free trade in everything , but they wanted free franchise first , and then they wsnld repeal' eyerj law which militated against tbe

      interests of the people—( cheers ) . He would work for it , and be would conform to all the rules adopted by this Conference , and he would undeitake rt much trouble si any m * n could take , but he never would undertake that trouble unless for tbe acccomplUhment of thePeople'a Charter—( loud cheers ) . They were told by some that it was necessary for tbe country to have a strong government , or a government that would tickle the people by fanciful frauds . They had » strong Government- What constituted taeir strength ? Tbe weakness of the people ( hear , hear ) . What constituted tbe weakness of the peopU ? . Tbeir disunion—( hear , bear ) . Then he called upon them to be unitfd . It had mqnently bsc-n nrged that the middle classes carried the Reform BilL That might be true , but it was the working classes who spurred them on—( hear , hear ) . The middle classes were the tools , and the working classes constituted the machinery by which the Reform Bill was obtained

      — ihfar , hear ) . The time had arrived when they must Btandupou principle . Never were the sufferingsof apeople borne with so much heroic and Roman fortitude , and be should like to know whenever the people had achieved such a position as they now ocsupied , with so little disturbance to public tranquillity or with so little destruction to any thing which was vslu&ble to the community —( cheers . ) Feeling strongly , as he did , on this question , he could not help eongtatulating himself that what had been imposed on him as a task , -was left to Mr . Lovett as a duty . He wrs glad that Mr . Lovett had availed "himself of that opportunity of vindicating his principles , and leaving him ( Mr . O'Connor ) to follow him . For his own part , he should adhere to the course he ha « l hitherto followed , and he declared that he wonld rather fcs a prrrate in the ranks of principle , taan & genual leading on an inconsistent army in a battle of expediency—tbear , hear , and cheers . )

      Mr . Beggs was about to address the Conference , when , 3 dr 1 OT 2 XT ros « and moved that an adjournment Bhouli take place until the following morning , in order that Hr . Besgs might have an opportunity of consulting his friends on the proposition which he ( Mr . Lovett ) had made to him . Mr . O'Co > "SOB seconded the motion , which was pnt and carried . Thd-Conftrence rose at eight o ' clock .

      WEDNESDAY—SECOND DAY . The Conference in pursuance to previous arrangements , assembled at nine o ' clock in tbe morning , when there was as large a number of tbe delegates present as on the first day . Mr . Roberts , as Secretary to the Disputed Elections Committee , reported their decision on the Worcester election , and said they had come to tbe conclusion that the gentlemen elected at both tbe contested elections should be received as delegates . In making thifl announcement , be was requested to ask the concurrence of the Conference .

      Mr . O'Connor thought that a worse precedent than that fainted at by Mr . Roberts could not be established — ( hear , bear ) . If there had been two elections at Worcartsr , one of them must be wrong—( hear , hear ) It might appear to be an exceedingly liberal measure to admit the whole of the delegates elected , but it had an nltra-democratie tandency , and the decision to which the committee had come , was exceeding tbe powers given te them—( hear , bear ) . Mr Pabky entirely differed with Mt . 0 Connor in

      his construction of the law . If the committee had been a Btricfly legal body , and if their decision was binding legally as well as morally , then perhaps there might be some weight attached to-Mr . O'Connor ' s observations . He recommended them to act in a conciliatory spirit Mr . 0 Connor had spoken of the disfranchising tendency cf-the coinmittee ' B deckion . Now , bow could the fact of giving a larger number of representatives to the Council , instead of a smaller one , be disfranchisement ? It was the most extraordinary definition of the English language he had ever heard—ihear , hear ) .

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      Tbe Cbaibkar put the motion for the reception of tbe report A Delegate rose for the purpose of proposing an amendment , but This was objected to by Mr . 0 'Cosnoa , on tbe ground that as s point of order , an amendment COUid not bs made on the retrption of tbe rerar * . The report wr % then put and agreed to . The SKCB . BTAKY . read the mlnut ?« of the previous evening ' s business . Mr . O'Connok moved that they be confirmed . Mr . Wilkinson seconded the motion and it was agreed to .

      Mr . Lovett now suggested that it would be desiTable to have the answer of Mr . Beggs with respect to tbe question which he ( Mr . Lovett ) had put to him the previous evening . —( hear . ) It would be remembered that he asked Mr . Beggs whether he would consent that the words contained in the fourth resolution he hndnoved , namely ,-that the Bill to be presented l > y tbe National Complete Suffrage Association , be taken as the basis of discussion , " be omitted , and that the words " the document called the People ' s Charter be taken as tbe basis of dircossion , " be inserted instead thereof , —( hear , hear . ) If he ( Mr . Lovett ) received an answer in the negative , be should feel it bis dutjr to move an amendment— ( Cheers . ) Mr . Beewsxeb contended that Mr . Lovett could not move an am end Kelt They had not come there to consider the People ' s Charter in particular , but other documents that might be laid before the Conference—{ disapprobation ) .

      Dr . Ritchie thought it was contrary to tbe order of debate for one delegate to put a question to another—( bear , hear , and laughter ) . Mr . Lovett said that not having received an answer from Mr . Beggs , be should feel constrained to . move an amendment —( bear , hear ) . With respect to the objection that had fallen from Dr . Ritchie , he did not think it possessed the least weight , because he ( Mr . Lovett ) had distinctly made the proposition to Mr . Beggs , with tbe view to' maintain union , and to avoid the necessity of his moving an amendment —{ bear , bear ) . He thought it would have been well if Mr . Beggs bsd consulted bis friends aa to how they could agree in their mode of proceeding , but as they seemed disposed that the question should come before the Conference , he begged to move the following

      amendment" That the document called the People ' s Charter , embracing all the essential details of just and equal representation , couched in plain and definite language , capable of being understood and appreciated by the great mass of the people , tot whose government and guidance &U laws ought to be written , —that measure having been before the public for the last five years , forming the baaiB of tbe present agitation , in favour of tbe Suffrage , and for Beekir . g to secure the legal enactment of which , vast numbers had suffeiod imprisonment , transportation , and death , —has , in the opinion of this meeting , a prior claim over all other documents proposing to embrace the principles of jnat representation ; it ia therefore resolved , that we proceed to discuss the different sections of the People ' s Charter , in order

      to ascertain whether any improvements ctn be made in it , and what those improvements shall be ; it being necessary to make that document as dear and perfect aa possible" —( loud cheers ) . This was the amendment be bad to propose on the notion of Mr . Beggs . He had expressed his views so fully when be rose to request his friend Mr . Beggs to consent to the alteration proposed , that it was not necessary that he should trouble them with any lengthened observations . He had hoped that Mr . Beggs and bis friends would have been induced to nuke this alteration without forcing upon him ( Mr . Lovett ) the necessity of moving an amendment , because he feared that it would end in forming the Conference into three parties , instead of two—( bear , bear , and no no ) Two parties already existed ; and instead of having only the violence and folly on one side , and the wisdom and justice on the other , they would now

      be constrained to form three parties instead of two , and he feared that tbe line of demarcation between the middle and the working classes would be widened , and that the agitation in favour of equal representation would be prolonged , in consequence ef the policy which tbeir friends had thought fit to adopt —( hear , hear . ) fie thought that course was nurely adding to the prejudices of the middle classes—( hear , hear)—and he doubted very much whether they would obtain any great accsssion of that class by this movement—( hear , hear . ) What they eught to seek for was , tke spirit and enthusiasm of the working classes , combined with tbe wisdom and moderation of the electoral body—( hear , bear . ) They were bound in justice to the great mass of the people who had taken up the question for so many yeers , not to sacrifice the principle for which they were contending—( bear , hear , and cheers . )

      Mr . O'CON NOR in seconding the amendment , said that if be thought its adoption would divide the Conference Into three parties instead of two , be should not have supported it —( hear , hear . ) But so far from having that effect , be believed it would resolve the two partieB into one strong party , determined to go for principle , and another weak party opposed to all principle — tcbeers . ) If , too , the amendment had gone to make any alteration in the principles of the Charter , he wonld not-b » T 8 supported it , but the construction which he put npon it was , that it merely went to dUous the details , and consequently he gave it bis most cordial consent —( hear . ) But let the Conference look at the position in which they would plaw the people if they sanctioned the original motion . When they

      had eonsolldatod all their movements , when all then machinery was perfected , bsfore whom did they go to get tbe Charter recognised as part of the constitution , if he might so call it J In 1639 , In 1840 , in 18 * 1 , and is 1842 , they went to tbe House of Commons . For what ? Praying that the document entitled tbe People ' s Charter ahonld be the law ef land—liond cries of hear , hear . ) Now , were they g oing take bo inconsistent si to )? o to the House of Commons In 1843 , and to say— " Whereas in 1839 , 1840 , 1841 , and 1842 , we prayed your Honourable House to enact the Charter , approved by three millions and a half of the people , we now pray that a mass of mystifications , which would take four hours to read through , be substituted in its stead" —( hear , bear , hrw , and laughter . )

      Why , he thought the House of Commons would be placed in something like the position of the priest in Kildare . A great number of persons went to him , one praying him to give them one sort of weather , another another sort , and another wanted a different kind still . " O ' . ( said the priest ) go away with jou , and agree among yourselves what sort of weather you will have , and , when you are unanimous , be sure that I shall agree with you" —( laughter and cheeks ) . So it would ba with the House of Cosamons . When tbe people were unanimous in demanding their rights , the House of Commons would be unanimous in conceding them —( cheers ) . Were the Conference going to throw overboard the people of Ireland whom they had invited to join this agitation?— -ibear , hear . ) Here they were going to say to the House of Commons , and to judges and juries—• ' Well done , ye good and faithful servants—ye ha ? c punished these men whom ye nave imprisoned and transported , righteously , for they have

      confessed tbeir error , they acknowledge themselves to have been in the wrong , and they now ask for a different thing under a different name "—^( . bear , hear . ) The Complete Suffrage Association said that their bill was the same in principle as the Charter . Then why did they not come forward , and support the Charter ?—( hear , hear . ) It wemtd that although the Association were ashamed of the name of the Charter , they were not ashamed to adopt its principles , in erder to get their own measure carried—icheers . ) It was for the Conference to say whether they would surrender their principles to the prejudice of a few , and throw overboard a document which bad become a part of every man ' 8 political cretd in the country—( cheers . ) They might as well attempt to stop the rolling stream of the ocean as to Btop t he agitation for the Charter under the name of the Charter—( cheers . ) He did not wlah to dragoon them inte the support of tae amendment , but it was rendered necessary by tho motion made , by

      Mr- Beggs —^ ihear , bear . ) Dr . Ritchie , of Edinburgh , should support the original motion . He could see a great difference between Ckartists and the Charteriste—( laughter ) What was this meeting ? Was it a Radical one ? No . Wn it a Whig one ? As little . It was as much a Tory meeting as either of the other two —( laughter ) He maintained that it was a Complete Suffrage meeting and not a meeting of any party , It was a meeting baaed on the principle of Bending patties " to the tomb of all the Capuleta . " If it was said—take the Charter , he told them he could not swallow it—( laughter . ) Why ? He objected to the name of it —( " Ob , oh . ") He objected to it as the symbol of a party , and be would have objected to it equally if it had emanated

      from the Complete SulVcge party . He could not expect this movement to go on if they adopted the Chatter as the basis of tbe discussion . —( Dieses . ) He denied that the document which had been drawn up wm tbe Peoples Chatter— ( " oh , oh "/ ;—but it was tbe Charter of a great number , and it might be of the wisest number for what he knew —( laughter , and cries of " question . '") The course he should take would be to accept good principl . s , even from a Tory ; and on the same grounds he would extract all that was valuable from the bill of the Association , the Caarter , or any other document ; he would throw them into a crucible , and place a good fire under them , and he would bring out a metal fit for their use and for the people at large— ( laughter . )

      Mr . Hethbrik » ton , of London , should support the amendment , notwithstanding the objections which had fallen from Dr . Ritchie , which he theughtwere extremely sophistical—( hear . ) He ( Mr . H . ) was strongly in favour of the Charter , and those on his side of the question had the consolation to know , that the eloquent writer of the Nomonfomdtt . when speaking of the great good sense displayed in tbe People's Charter , admitted that the prejudice against that document was an unworthy one—( hear , bear ) . When they had a gentlemen like Dt . Minll compelled to admit this , wad when their Chairman himself acknowledged the truth of the principles enunciated , were the Conference to pander to these prejudices by abandoning the name of the Charter ? iloud cries of no , no ) . At the former Conference , tbe justice of the principles contained in the People's Charter were verified , and why were they to be called upon to give up tbe details by which those principles were to be carried

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      Into effect !—( hear , hear . ) He thought that such a course would be stultifying the Chartist body , and , therefore , they ought not to listen . to aoy neb . argum ¦ ¦ ¦¦ " tho 8 e wUch weM nrged by the Complete Suffrage Association , nuless they would snow tbat there wm tbat in the Charter wbiob would not enable them to carrjr out those principles— ( hear , hear . ) Theaivcotes of tbe Char ^ r did not r : 3 k to fbrnsfc ttat document down the throats of the Association , m b-. d fc--h insinuated . They only asked that it should \ n the basis of discussion—( hear , bear . ) If there wm anything omitted in the document , let it be inserted , and if there was anything that could b « considered of an

      objectionable character , let it ly changed—( hr ~ s ) What were they called upon to do by the Arsca ' ntlen ? To support a document about which : they knew nothing , and which might not be so effective for the purpose as the Charter —( hear , hear ) . On the other hand , they had a document drawn up in such plain and : simple language that ' s child might comprehend it —( hear , hear ) . They had got rid of a bushel of whereasesand aforesaids , and all such rubbish a * rtat , and they had given to the country a model of Parliament-act-making—( hear , heat ) . Under these circumstances he should most cordially supporti the amendment —( hear , hear ) .

      Mr . Smith , of Liverpool , called upon the Conference to support the Charter , though he admitted that there was ranch that was excellent in the biU of the Complete Suffreje Association . . , . ^\ - T . gPKKCER saw no reason why they should be bound to a particular document , because it happened to have been introduced five years ago—( hear , hear ) . He wished that every delegate had read another document , which he would call the People ' s Bill of Bights , " and he thought they would find it an improvement upon the Charter ; more liberal , more generous , more for the people ' s good , and more for the protection of their rights , than the Charter —( hear , hear , and . no no ) . He contended that they had as much right to a name asany body else —( hear , hear ) . It waa said that there was a prejudice on the part of the association in favour of

      a name—( hear , hear ) . He certainly did not see why any perBon should be compelled to call himself a Chartist- ( hear , hear , hear ) . He was in favour of complete Suffrage , and he would do his utmost to carry out the details neoessary for its enactment , but he objected to a body of men coming there and Saying , that they should not eonoi < i « r the principle under any other name than the People ' s Charter . ( Hear , hear , and hisses . ) He waB present at the last Conference , and the members of the Complete Suffrage Association conceded almost every thing to the advocates of the Charter which could be asked of them , but nothing was conceded in return . ( Cries of No , no . ") He repeated the truth of the assertion . But did they repetit what they had done ? Nc . They thought that what they had done was right . He trusted tbat hebad theinterest Of the

      working Classes at heart as much as any man living , and his hope for them in this movement was the union of their own body with the electoral body ; the infusion of fresh energy , fresh life , and fresh blood from another claes—( oheers . ) { Let tho working classes have their own field . He thought the members of the Complete Suffrage Association could render them much service in working separately ; but if they remained one party , and that a divided one , the effect of the new movement would be lost for ever . —( hear , hear , and no , no ) . He had heard the Bill to which so many allusions had been made , read over , accompanied with the explanation of the accomplished barrister who had drawn it up , and he waa surprised at ^ the opinion expressed by one

      gentleman who advocated the Charter who could not have seen much of . the Bill ; tba t it was bad in the preamble and in its clauses—( hear , bear , from Mr . O'Connor ) . He ( Mr . Spencer ) had brought his oommon-jense to bear in judging of the bill ; and he must say that he did not think the opinion he bad alluded to , was a correct one . He had read the Charter , too . He had heard it explained , and if gentlemen would only consent to have the bill of the Association , which had been drawn up with great care and at a great expense , and if they would consent to have it discussed , then , at the end they would be able to say whether they thought the bill or the Charter the most valuable —( hear , hear , hear ) . He could not understand why it was

      contended that the Charter should be the basis of discussion . Every body knew what the Charter was , but every body did not . know ; what the bill of the Complete Suffrage Association was—( hear , hear ) . If they condemned a measure about which they knew nothing , he would ask whether they would not be blindly following blind leaders , and whether they would not be voting in the dark 1—( hear , hear , and disapprobation ) . If the Conference Were determined to act in this way , he felt bound as an Englishman , and claiming a right to think and act for himseli , to say that rather than he would give up his independence , he should henoeforward recommend that there should be two parties , and that they should carry on their Conference under different names—( hear , hear , and disapprobation ) . It

      ought to be borne in mind tbat the Charter was only an outline of the proposed bill , and that it wanted filling up . On the other hand , the bill had beaa filled ap with very great care , and if adopted , it would be the glory of the land —( hear , bea ^ and no , no ) . Why not allow the members of thti Association the same privilege whioh the advocates of the Charter demanded for themselves f—( hear , hear ) . If it was to be said— " you must come to us first , " he must fay no —( hisses ) . As a clergyman of the church of England , he could converse with a dissenter on the principles of Christianity , without any sacrifice of his owa convictions , but if the dissenter asked him to turn to his way of thinking , be would not do so . Neither on the other hand would

      he ask the dissenter to come to him . He wanted liberality in religion as well « a everything else and he rejoiced to say that with respect to the brethren in the Church , there was a disposition , when they saw ft man determined to think for himself , to allow him to do so . He wanted to lower the taxes , but he would doit in a . fair way . He > wanted to reform the Church , but he wished to do it in accordance with scriptural reason . He wished to extend the elective franchise , and put every man in possession of bis civil rights , but he sought to do that by peaceable and legitimate means , and ' be would be no party to any thing that could lead to disorder or to destruction of the national institutions—( hissing and much confusion ) . He did not mean to say —( Renewed hissing ) .

      A Delegate hoped that Mr . Spencer would confine himself to the question , and not insult the Conference by such insinuations —( oheers , and cries of order ) . The Chairman believed that Mr . Spencer had been misunderstood—( hear , hear ) . ; Mr . Spenceb was only wishing to show the Conference that the Six Points might he held by different parties ,. and be had no wish whatever to offend the feelings of any delegate —( hear , hear ) . He was not unaware that parties had been accused of improper conduct , but he was not there to repeat the charge— ' ( hear , hear ) . Ic was sufficient for him if such a party had Been his error , and had repented of it . He would only say , in conclusion , that he took his stand on the principle he had laid down , and he would not be one of those who would go for the Charter and nothing but the Charter—( hear , hear , and hissing ) .

      Mr . West , of Oldham , differed entirely with the gentleman who had last addressed them . There were two documents before the Conference , and the question was , whioh of them should have the priority , as forming the basis of the discussion . Now , if the council , calling this Conference together , considered that they were the parties who were to draw up a bill for the consideration of the Conference , why then they would be the mere nominees of the coanoil —( hear , hear . ) But t' ey did notcomo there as the nominees of any party , but to take principle for their guide , which they knew the document ,, the PeopleVCharter , to concaib , and to go to

      work in a proper manner . He thought that Mr . Spencer had furnished a . very good argument in favour of the priority of the Charter . He said that the bill of the Association was filled up , but thattheCharter was onljran outline . Well , then , that was a very pood argument why the Charter should come under discus « ion , in the first instance , so that they might introduce such provisions and amendments as would make it a perfect document —( hear , hear , ) Much had been said about a name . He supported tbe Charter , because it recognised the rights of the people , and therefore they called it the "People ' s Charter—( hear , hear . )

      Mr . R . Summers , Kirkcudbright j begged to say that his attachment was in favour of the Charter ; but he did not agree with those who contended for the Charter and no other document—( hear , hear , and hisses ) . He thought the Council of the Complete Suffrage Association were justified in preparing a new bill , and he considered it was the duty of the Conference to enter into a oaadid examination of it , as well as of all other bills— - ( hear , hear . ) It should be borne in . mind that the document called the "People ' s Charter" had never been presented to any meeting like that—( hear , hear . ) it was true that it had been adopted by the great mass of the country , in consequence of the grandeur

      and nobleness of its principles , rather than , from any knowledge of its details —( hear , hear , and loud cheering . ) The question was , bow far they could enter into a discussion of the bills . He thought that neither of them should ha » e the priority . Some delegates argued for priority in ^ fayour of the Charter , because it was the oldest . Now , he believed a bill had been introduced by Major Cartwright , which was older than either of the documents before the Conference , and , therefore , he thought there was no weight in the argument that had been urged . He bad an amendment to propose which be thought would get rid of the difficulty experienced . It was— ¦ ' : " : .. ' ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ - - '¦ ¦ -. ¦ •' . ' '¦¦ ¦ ¦ • ¦ '¦ ¦ ¦ "• • . ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦

      " That neither of the bills be exclusively made the basis of discussion , but that both bills , and all other bills of a similar description be at the disposal of the Conference , and laid on the table , and that parties be appointed to read and defend tha correlative clauses of these bills , and the clauses to be read seriatim and submitted to the meeting . " Mr . W . Brodie , of Aidree , supported the amend-

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      ment , and in doing so , he thought that both bills should be taken together . A man had no right to say that the Charter should be taken first , because he had suffered from its advocacy —( hear ) . Mr . Roberts , of Batn , begged to a $ k whether if it had been thought that the bill of the Complete Suffrage Association was to be the bp vs of di . cussion , a single Chartirt would have been prc-ent at the Conference!—( hear , bear ) . Dr . Ritchie had told them that he could not swallow the Chatter . What the Doctor ' s swallow might be , he ( Mr . Huberts ) could not tell , but it teemed rather odd , that whilst be could aot swallow a small document whioh would go through the penny-post , he could bolt a

      document which filled forty nages of print —( hear , hear , and laughter ) . He ( tor . Roberts ) had seen the bill ; and , as compared with the Charter , it we- not to be named in the same breath —( hear , hear ) . He pledged himself , as a gentleman and a lawyer , that it was not to be compared with the Charter for legal accuracy ; and , more than that , be pledgedhimself to the truth of tbiB statement , ' ' that onehalf of the clauses were entirely inapplicable to the purpose —( hear , hear ) . Dr . Ritchie rose to order—( hisses ) . He thought that Mr . Roberts was entering upon the criticism of a bill which was not before the Conference —( cries of " it is before us" ) .

      Mr . Pakry wished to ask the Secretary whether the bill was not before the Conference ! The Secretary answered in the negative . Mr . RoBEEfS begged to remind the Conference that Mr . O'Connor had offered to withdraw his proposition if Mr . Beggs would withdraw his ; and , bad the latter complied , neither of the bills would have taken precedence , aud the Executive Committee could then have determined to which priority should be given —( hear , hear ) . He was Borry that this discussion should have arisen . He had hoped that they could have worked side by side . But it seemed he was mistaken . The members of the

      Complete Suffrage Association might make the augnstean boast ' of' the Roman Emperor , that he found Rome of brick and left it of marble ; but after they had found the Charter a mass of crude legislation , with nothing but simplicity to distinguish it , with nothing but principle to support it , and with nothing but the people's valeur to carry it , be hoped they-would follow out the example of the Roman Emperor , who , although ho laft the edifice of marble , did not change the name u&der which the glories of the eternal city had been gained—( hear , hear , and cheers . ) ¦¦ ' ¦ : ; . ¦ .. ¦ ¦' . ¦ : ¦ '¦' . - ¦ . "¦ ¦ . ' ¦ ¦ '¦ ¦ :, ' ¦ The Rev . P . Bbewstek supported tho original motion , and proposed the following amendment : —

      " That tho BiU which this Council is met to consider and discuss , being founded on the ; People ' s Charter , and actually embracing its great principles , it is not expedient and not necessary to discuss any other documents , excepting in connection with the Bill ; until we have disposed of the Bill itself submitted to our consideration . " Mr . Brewster approved of the conduct of the Council in drawing up the Bill , and thought that tho Conference were bound , ia fairness , to consider its provisions .

      Mr . Johnson , of Bristol , seconded the amendment , and in doing so , he said he was not prepared to vote against the Bill of the Complete Suffrage Association , until he knew the nature of its provisions . He had hoped that the speeches of Mr . O'Connor and Mr . Lovett would have offered something tangible to discuss ; instead of which they bad been wasting their time in discussing mere trifles , by leaving out everything that waa valuable in principle—( hear , hear , and laughter ) . : ¦• Mr . Davis , of Hawick , suggested that toe question of priority should be referred to the Executive Committee . ; . ' '¦ ' . •; .. ¦' . : ¦ ¦ .. . ; . ¦ ¦ . . ¦ ¦ ¦' \ : ' .. . '¦ .- . .: '¦ ¦ . Mr . AtLBRiGHT moved that neither of the documents take precedence . The proposition was not seconded .

      Mr . Williams , of Sunderland , hoped that some common ground would be taken , and thought that the amendment of Mr . Summers inoluded everything . ¦ •' : . ¦ ;¦¦ ¦ ¦ '¦ : . ¦ •¦¦ ¦ ' . , : ¦ . ;¦ ' ¦> : ' . ' ' - ¦ . - . ¦ . ' .. ;¦ ¦ '• ¦ . ; ¦ ; "¦ . ¦' . ' Mr . P . O'HiGGiNS , of Dublin , was certainly of opinion that the proposition brought forward by Mr . Beggs , was one of the most extraordinary he had f " heard of . What was it ! It was that a bill of vrbi li hey had never before heard , should form the uttaitj of diaoussion I and he would appeal to any member of the Conference whether they ever heard of such a proposition before—( loud cries of "No , no ") . What he wished Mr . Beggs to havo done was , to have brought forward the Charter in one hand , and the bill in the other , and that they should both form tho basis of discussion —( hear , hear , and loud cheers ) . .: ' : ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦? . - '¦ ¦ ¦ . ;¦ ' . ¦ . - w V ;¦ : ¦; ' ¦ . ¦ ¦

      Rev . Mr . Miall , supported the original motion , claiming honesty Of intention for the members of the Complete Suffrage Association , and contended that the struggle carrying on by the advocates of the Charter was not for the sake of principle , but merely for the sake of precedence , which amounted to nothing ; : Mr . Macphbbson , of Ipswjob f spoke in favqur of the amendment . Rev . Mr . Leeson , of Frome , ' supported the original motion , and amidst much hissing , said that if they adopted the Charter as the basis of discussion , instead of the bill , the movement would be damned . It being now one o ' clock , the Conference adjourned to three o'clock . ' : ' ¦' ¦ ¦' - ''' ¦

      AFTERNOON AND EVENING SITTING . The Conference re-aasembled at three o ' olock . Mr , « f , Wilson , of Aberdeen , supported the original motion . ' Dr . Wade called upon the Conference to support the amendment . , In bis opinion it was not the name of the Charter to whioh the middle classes whom the Comnlete Suffrage party wished to conciliate , objected , but the principles it contained —( loud ories of "hear , hear" ) . He believed that if the advocates of the Charter consented to change the name of the document , that tbe very next day the members of the Association would contrive some other loop-hole out of which to esoape— ( hear . hear ) .

      Dr . Glover , of Edinburgh , thought the Conference ought to take for its text the Six Great Points , and . that delegates should be at liberty to advocate either the Charter , or any other document which recognised them-- ( hear , hear ) , : Mr . Jab . Dixon , of NorthWich , was decidedly in favour of Mr . Lovett ' s amendment . He strongly recommended them to go to the vote , for he was sick and tired of the proceedings , and he was afraid he should have a very bad account to give his constituents—( laughter ) . Mr . ViCKEBs , of Belper , advocated the amendment . '¦ ¦ ¦ ' : '¦ ' ¦^ . ¦' - ¦¦ '¦¦ : . '' ¦¦ ' ¦ ¦ ' ' "' ¦ '"¦¦ ¦ . - ¦ ¦ ' . "¦'¦ . ¦•' Mr ; Macjdonald , of Aberdeen , supported the amendment , and he did so , not on aocouut of the antiquity of the Charter , but from principle .

      Mr . Vining , of Reading , recommended a union with the ex-members of the Association , as he thought that the adoption of any other course would be fatal—( hear , hear , and no , ho ) . Mr . J . H . Parry , of London , should support the amendment proposed by Mr . Lovett , and he did so on the ground that the working classes were attached to the Charter , from strong , abiding , aud natural reasons—( hear , hear . ) It was not the name of Charter which those of the middle classes whom the members of the Association desired to conciliate objected to , but its principles—( hear , hear . ) They had no right to yield to the paltry prejudice' % f the middle classes ,.: against the just demands of the People—icheors . ) Why , what had their respected

      chairman himself said , with regard to this ? He had said that all the prejudices which existed against the Charter were unworthy and unfounded , and that the soundest basis on which a radical reform could rest , was the Charter —( loud cries of " hear , hear , " and cheers . ) He ( Mr . Parry ) belonged to the middle classes . He mixed much among them , and he was bound to admit that there existed on their parts a profound indifference to political principles—( hear , hear . ) But at the same time he waf bound to state this fact , ( and he hoped the members of the Complete Suffrage Association would bear it in mind , ) that those of the middle class with whom he had mixed , were-in the habit of saying to him , " Oh I we can easily understand why you support the Charter , because

      you are a Chartist . We oppose it because we think the principles it advocates are dangerous , but we protest against those principles beiug thrust down our throats under another name "—( loud and continued cheers . ) That was a growing feelingamong the middle classes jand he wonld ask the council whether they thought it likely that their advocacy of the Six Points of the Charter would enlist the co-operation of the middle classes , because they supported them under another name I—( loud cries of " hear , hear . " ) He believed the Association Would defeat its own objeot , aud Why ! Because they would not have honesty to recommend them , —( hear , hear . ) Mr . Miall had said , "Take the bill . " If Mr . Miall was the

      minister of a despotic government , and that government would give them the bill to-morrow , ha would take . it , —( hear , bear . ) But the government would not give them the bill , and therefore , the question for the Conference was , how were they to force it upon the attention of the government ?—( hear , hear . ) How could this be done i By union , —( hear , hear . ) Who carried the Reform Bill ? Not the middle classes alone , but they and the working classes united , and if such an union existed now as prevailed then , they would exhibit a moral power and a strength of demand , whioh neither Sir Robert

      Peel or any other minister could resist , —( cheers . ) They had heard something of the leaders in this movement deceiving the people . He would not enter into any question of that character , but if they wanted to destroy the power of those leaders let them do complete justiA to the people , and then the people , appreciating their own rights * and knowing how to maintain them , would be too independent to be led by any man , except bo far as his honesty and consistency gave him a claim to their confidence . ( Hear , hear . ) For the reasons he had stated , ho should support the amendment , and he called upon the Conference not to stultify itself , by surrendering

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      the glorious principles of the Charter to paltry prejudice , and to » wretched and temporizing expediency ( loud , cheers . ) Mr . L . IIbtwobth , of Liverpool , ' would Bupport tbe bill , bpcaate both it and the Charter were the same in principle . He considered that the Charter had been injured by those who called thtmtslves tta leaders of the people . ( Shouts of No , uo , " a ad much hicsiDg . ) Hebad a ri ^ ht to maintain this op i - nion , and if the reporters would only report what he said it should go from one end of the kingdom to the other ( great confusion . ) When he joined ihe Complete Suffrage movement , he was determined that iAr . Sturge should be his leader , 'fie had come from Liverpool to declare his opinions , and if they would not allow him to declare them , he denounced ( bom f 3 the ' . mo . it . arrant tyrants on the face of the earth ; ( hisio ) and although they might ca'l themcelvn Chartists , they would be the most despotic tyrants

      that ever disgraced human nature ( t h reat hiding . ) He loved to be identified with the Charter , but he never would be identified with its leaders ( iri-mendous hissing . ) Aye , let them , heir tutu if they dare . ( Renewed confusion , and an exclamation of " Put him out . ' ? Some one said , •* put him out . " ( " Order , order . " ) He conld understand them . It touched their feelings . ( Hisse ? . ) It came home to them . ( Hisses . ) ' But they should hear him , and the country should hear him from Land ' s End to John O'Groats . ( Laughter . ) He would not be identified with the leaders of the Charter , when he bad seen ' with his own eyes and had beard with hi 3 own ears language which never ought to have come out of the mouth of any man . ( Shouts of ?? Name , name . " ) He would mention the circumstances . (" Name , name . ") If they wanted to hear truth , let "them listen to what he said . ( Cries of ¦>• Hear him , he ' s soamusing . ")

      A Delegatb . —Is the whole Conference to be insulted by such a man as this ? ' - ( ' Chair , cha ? r , ^ tt Order , order . ' ) The Chairman . —Hear . A DEtHGATR—Hear , hear . . Mr . H £ ywoBTH conceived that the object of thia Conference was to call over the working men to those leaders who would carry them on in a holy , righteous , and peaceable agitation , which would secure the people their just rights . They would not lead them on to bloodshed , to massacre , to anarchy , and to plunder , —( great hissing . ) They-mrald not do this ; neither did he Bay that anybody else had done it , —( much hissing . ) If any body had done so j they were guilty , and not him . —( great disorder ) ' : ¦ Mr . Roberts . —Yon said you had both Been and heard of suoh things , and now you de » y it , —( shame . Bhame . V

      Mr . HErwoBTH . —yes , and I have seen them , — ( name , name . ) , . . *¦' ¦ Mr . Jones j delegate from Liverpool , begged to inform the Conference that Mr . Hey worth was not the representative of Liverpool , —( bear , hear . ) Mr . He ^ worxu— No ; I am the representative of Reading . Mr . Hobson , of Leeds . —I move that Mr . Heyworth be allowed a quarter of an hour longer , —• ( hear , hear . ) He is a sample of bis olass , and I ho ^ i the Conference will have the benefit of the specimeU i —( hear , hear . ) A Delegate seconded the proposition , and it waa oarried , but Mr . Hey worth did not avail himself of the privilege ; and having expressed a hope that the Charter -would succeed , he retired amidst hissc / - groans , and every species of disapprobation .

      Mr . Skelton , ot Westminster ; Mr . Rowland , of Dundee ; Mr . Beeslev , of Blackburn ; and Mr . Jones , of Liverpool , generally addressed the Conference m support of Mr . Lovett ' a amendment . Mr . Beggs , the mover of the original resolution s replied to the various arguments addressed in suppoi i of the amendment , expressing his regret at being compelled to differ from those for whom he had the highest respeet , aud stating his intention to press the motion to a division . The Cuaibhan here announced that , as according to the rules , he had a vote , independent of his

      casting vote , he should record his opinion in favour of the original resolution . The Chairman then put the amendment moved by Mr . Brewster , for which only two bands were held up . The next amendment put was that of Mr . Stunners , for which probably twenty hands appeared . Both these amendments , therefore , were lost . .: . . .:. ' ¦ ¦ . ; . - ¦ ¦ "¦ ¦; . - ¦; . ¦ ¦ . - ; - . ¦ ¦ ¦ :.. ¦ . : - ¦ . "' The Chairman next put the amendment moved by Mr . Lovett , which wa 3 carried by a large majority and amidsf great cheering . The original motion waa then put and of course negatived in a similar manner . ¦' .. ¦ .. '' •• '¦ ¦ : ' ¦ : ' . ¦'¦ ; "¦ ¦ ¦ ' ¦ " - - : ' : ¦ : ¦ ¦ . . ¦

      Mr . Hobson moved that the votes in favour of the original motion and the amendment , should be recorded . ' . ,. ; . '¦ -: ¦ , / . ; .:. ¦• : ¦ ;; : ' ; : ¦ - - ¦ ¦¦ . ¦ .. " : ¦• . : A Delegate seconded the motion and it was agreed to . . ' . : The result was as folhwa i—¦ '" For the original motion ............ H For the amendment ..... ; ............ 193 Majority for the amendment 99 Fourteen , of the Delegates remained neutral , and 73 were absent , on their names being called . The announcement was received in silence . '

      Having made the formal announcement tn » t the amefadment was carried , Mr . Sturge s » id the time for adjournment had arrived , and It became bis duty ; while he gave credit to the parties who had manifested so much otVachment to tbat very excellent document , the People ' s Charter , for having conducted their busier'a in a manner that did them credit , and while be hoped that credit would be given to him for sincerely wishing to bring the principles of that Charter int » operation—to say that he thought he should not best serve their rouse by continuing to occupy tbat chair after to-night . He trusted that whatever little warmth of temper might have been manifested on either side in the heat of debate would Be now forgotten , and that the parties , if they could not agree to work together , would work harmoniously in parallel lines . They , the majority , who had determined for tne

      Charter , wonld meet to-morrow morning in that place , and go on with their business , while he and those who thought with him would meet in some other p !~ -1 , to proEecu ' " i Uieir business in their own way . As they were aU aiming at one and tho same end , be trusted tbey would be no hindrance to each other . In this statement of the purpose of his party to withdraw from all farther connection with the Conferenrj , he wps supported by the Rev . Mr . Spencer . The announcement seemed to excite much enrprise . and produced a great sensation . Mr . Sturge having left the « ha ? r it wn taken by tho Kev . M ? . Spencer , and a vote of thanks to Mr . Sturge for hfs patient and impartial discharge of the duties of the chair up to the present time , was proposed by Mr . Lovett , and seconded by Mr . O'Connor . On its t -. irg put in thfr affirmative it was received with considerable cheering , and many bands were held up—tbe negative W 31 not called for . The Conference then adjourned .

      Prior to the dispersion ot the delegates from tbe room , Mr . Pierce , from Newport , Isle of Wight , a genuine specimen of the old school of " Friends" or Quakers , as they are mostly called , came forward , and mounting on a form , disclaimed the doctrine of Messrs . Sturge and Spencer , that : the minority of 93 were to meet next morning in the Complete Suffrage rooms , separate from the Conference . He had come from the Isle of Wight—be had bean sent to the Conference—he had voted for the motion ; but he considered the majority the Confersnca , and should continue witb them—( hear , hear , audxheers ) . : ¦ - . " -. Mr . Sturge , the Rer . T . Spenoer , and other members of thei Council , adjourned to the rooms of the Association , in Waterloo street , for the purpose of considering the provisions of their Bill . In the eveuing of Wednesday , a large tea party took place in the Hall of Science to celebrate the liberation of Mr . Mason .

      Mr . O'Connor was present , and addressed the meeting ia a speech of considerable length , which was lisceued to with deep attention , and at the close was followed by great applause .

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      .. - ¦ ' . : : ¦ ¦; . •¦¦ . : ¦¦ ... ; ' ¦¦ . '¦ . . ¦ ¦ . .. '' . ; 163 7 II Note . —The Secretary of the Chartist shoemakers , Golden-lane , London , has required from Mr ; Cleave an account of the expenditure of the above . To this Mr .-Cleave replies , that it is questionable whether such a balance sheet could be published pending the trials traversed from the Special Commissions ; and besides , Mr . C . has not the slightest controul over the fond , further than to pay , aa he has from time to time , the subscriptions received by him to Mr . O'Connor , who has hitherto acted aa treasurer , & « . It may , however , be as well to intimate that several of the London delegates have been speoially instructed to introdace the question of a "National Defence and

      Support Fund " -to the attention of the Birmingham Conference . In -the event of the Conference declining to accede to the motion for that purpose , the Com ? mittee nominated by the Great Metrepolitan Meeht . . ing at the Crown and Anchor ( of which Committftft •¦ .-Messrs . O'Connor , CleaTe ,. Dr . Black , &c , » r » members ) will doubtless sug ^ esi ^ HpM&fitifa plan for the adoption of the countiflrojbB f A » hi the mean time , no ttue Cbartfet www ^^^ BarV Lane Secretary asserte , —witbbolfl »^» tr ] fetf * fir \ to the Fund . - Mr . O'dmo ^ blSS ^^ SuM \ } ^ ought to be held a sufficient seKF ^ leMtta ^^ ^ also be borne in mind that ^ oW ^ lAfeSrft ^ W V *» been subscribed for the d ^ tea ^ jSmSSSESa ^^ support of the families , of ^ i ^ Sl f ^ SW ^^ f ¦¦ ;; . 'iB ;; ^ ^ ffl ^

      Subscriptions Received Bvt Mr. Cleave

      SUBSCRIPTIONS RECEIVED BVT MR . CLEAVE

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  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), Dec. 31, 1842, page 5, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct631/page/5/