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MR . DTOSeOMBE'S MOTION . ( Contuiued Jxom our Seventh page . ) God , and . reason , have condemned thiB inequality . " Bere the inequality pointed out was that which existed between those who laboured and those trio pud for labonr . —( fcRar , hear , bear , hear , ) He could assure the House lie did not mean to keep back anyibh ) £ that might be material in favour of these parties . Toe proclamation went on : — Uatnre-, God , and reason hare condemned this inequality , and in the thunders of a people ' s Toiee it must perish for ever . He knows that labonr , the real property of society , the sole origin of accnmulated property , the first « ause of all national wealth , and the only supporter , defender , and
contributor to the greatness of our country , is not possessed ^> f ^ he same legal protection which ia given 10 ihos-e lifeless effects , ihe t oases , ships , and machinery which labonr hare alone created . He knows that if labour has no protection , wages cannot be upheld , nor in the slightest degree regulated , until every workman of twenty-one years of age and of sane mind is on the Bame political level as the employer . He knows that the Gh&rter would remove , by mri-Tersal will expressed in Universal Suffrage , the neavyloadoftas . es which now '« rush the existence of the iaboorer , and cripple the efforts of commerce ; thai is would give © heap government as well as cheap food , high wages , as well as low taxes , bring happiness to the hears-hstonB , plentv 10 the table ,
protection to the old , education to thB young , permanent prosperity to the country , long-continued proteciive political power to labonr , and peace , blessed peace , to xae approving nations ; therefore ii is that we have solemnly sworn , and one -and all declared , thai the golden opportunity now within onr grasp shall noi pass away frniiless , that the chance of centuries afforded to U 3 by a wit > e and all-seeing God , shall no ? be lost i but that we do now nuive .-sally resolve never to ^ resume labonr until labour ' s grievances are destroyed , and protection secured for ourselves , our snfiWnng wives , and helpless children , by the enactment of the People's Charter" This was put forth to the world at a time when it was proved by evidence that there were thousands in not Ies 3 than fifty ,
aye , a hundred parts of the conntry , seeking , by threats , by intimidation and violence , to stop the operations of labonr . Evidence would be shown to ihem , from which they might jndire what was the object of those parties when this Tery paper was pnbiishrd by the Chartists themselves . The next passage referred to the blood-shed at Preston . It said further— " Countrymen and brothers , centuries may roll on as they have fleeted past , be / ore such universal action may aeain be displayed ; we have made the east for liberty , and we must stand , like men , the hazard of the die . " All thi 3 , n was to be observed , vras addressed to men assembled in thousands—( hear , hear . ) It proceeded »• Let sons despond . Let all be cool and watchful ,
and . like the bridemaids in the parable , keep your lamps bnrBing , aad let your continued resolution be like a beacon to guide those wno are now hastening far and wide to follow your memorable example . Brethren , we rely npon your Srmnes 3 ; cowardice , treachery , or womanly fear would cast our cau ? e back for half a century . Let no man , woman , or child break down the solemn pledge , and if they do may the curse of the poor and the starring pursue tb-Tn—they deserve slavery who -st-onld madly court it Our machinery is all arranged . " What , he asked , was the meaning of that 1 It continued , ** Our machinery is all arranged , and your cause will in three days be impelled onward by ill the intellect we can summon to its aid : therefore , whiiss you are
peaceful be firm ; whilst you = are orderly make all be so likewise ; and whilst you look Vj the law , remember thai yon had ao Toice va making it , and are , therefore , the slaves to the tnE , the law , and the caprice ot your masters . And in a passage -which he had Eassed over , lie found this expression : Peace , irr , and order , hare prevailed on our side f that is , tbry had stopped the entire labour of men—they haa stopped it , not by appealing to men ' s will or inclination , bat to their fears ,, and then to violence when they declined to comply with the demands maae tra them . The proclamation said : ** Be firm , be courageous , bemen . Peace , law , and order have
prevailed on our side—let them be revered , until your brethren in Scotland , Wales , and Ireland are informed of your resolution ; and when a universal holiday prevails , which will be the case in eight days , then of what use will bayonets be against public Opinion V Now , he would ask the House , he would ask either side of ihe House , 'for ibis was not a question of party , but H was a question of the public safety— ( cheers . ) It was a question whether the insntutions of the country were to be permanent , or so be prostrated by mischeivou 3 machinations of ibis description—( bear , hear . ) " One sentence more , and he had done with this address . It was this : —
** Ail officers of the association are called upon to aid and assist in the peaceful extension of the movement , and to forward all moneys for the use of the delegates who may be expressed over the country . Strengthen -onr hanas at this crisis . Support jour leaders . ttally round our sacred cause , and leave the decision to the God of Justice and of Battle . " He wonld ask any Member of that House—he would ask the Hon . Memoer himself—if , in the disturbed slate in which Lancashire , Cheshire , and Staffordshire were at that moment , he would put his hand to & document like thai —( bear ) 1 What was the construction whieh any fair and candid man would put upon U —( tiear , heaT ) ~ ] But the House was hardly yet in the possession of all the facie
which wonld enable it to come to a ju 3 t-judgment with respect to these cases . He particularly requested their attention to this resolution , which the delfgai s had come to on the 18 ih . It was to this eff-ct : — " Resolved , That we , the delegates , in pnblic meeting assembled , do recommend to the Tarions constituencies which we represent , to adopt aU legal means to carry into efiirct the people ' s Charter . And farther , we recommend that delegaies he sent through the whole of the country , to endeavour to obtain the co- operation of the middle and working classes , in carrying out the resolution of ceaang labour until the Charter be made the law of the land . " . What , too , be aaied , was the meaniiig of that ! He had no doubt , as tn what was the real
history of tbe address and resoJntions of the Chartist delegates- He tbobaht so far from having & doubt of it , that it had been made a matter of evidence . They came not to Manchester for the purposeof turning ihesirjke to ib < -aceount of the Charter . They came to Macchesterforan eatirely different purpose . But when they fc&me there , seeing what w » 9 the state of the pnblic feeling , they 'bought that there was afforded to them a " glorious golden opportamty . " They ceneeired it right , for their purposes , to take advantage ; and accordingly , a- tney had put it forward in iheir placard , if all Wales , Scotland , and Irtlapd , had lollowed the example which was set by Lancaster , the efi&si woula be a general confusion in the country . There was , too , in aid of
such an object , a placard issued of this description : — - Run for gold—labour—labour ig suspendedpublic credit is gone—paper is worthless—every sovereign i 3 now worth thirty shillings—run , middle classes—run for gold , " He believed that their impression was , that if this state of things could be got to spread from county to county , they would succeed in carrying the Charter . He did not complain , although it had been improperly imputed to him , of any man , whatever might be his opinions , who sought to maintain them peaceably—he did not make it a maker of reproach to any one , who upheld the doctrine that Universal Suffrage would be a belter mode of administering the affairs of the country than under the present constitution . He
begged noi to mix himself op , as a representative Of the Crown , with the question of the Charter , or the Anti-Corn Law League- He coald ssy thi 3 to the Honourable Member for Fmsbnry , that if he would furnish him with the evidence to show that any persens were conspiring together to do a public mischief , he shonid immediately -feel it to be hia dniy to see , first , whether ' -that which was imputed was a crime , and next whether it could be brought home to them —( hear , hear ) . All he had done was ibis—where crime was imputed , it was fairiy stated and fully proved , and when it could not be f ui ly proved , the prosecution was abandoned . He might call the attention
now of the House to the address of the delegates which had appeared in the Northern Star o { Saturday , August 20 . There had been forty delegat % 3 assembled , and very nearly every onb of them spoke , the rt ^ ulaiion being that no one was to ' -peak , more than five minutes —{ laughter ) j—and be "would advise the Hon . Member in his reply not to take up more than two minutes . They had a shorthand wruer present , who Supplied them with an account of the speeches that were made . Now he begv-d to say that in the pocketof Brook , one of the prisoners—and he wished to call the attention oi Hua . Members to this fact—in hiB pocket was found a short note of the debate—it was like a little
memorandum of what had passed , and it , in every resper-i ,, bore out the statement of what , perhaps , the Hon . Member would call the renpgade" shorthand writer . He would tell the Hon . Member that that person was not there as " a spy . " It was not the toTermnent who had * ent Mm there ; bat he afterward !! volunteered and expressed a desire to give information . He , for one , had not the slightest objection to receive the statement of such a personhe . might hare broken faith with those with wh « m no faith enght to be kept—( hear , bear , from Mr . DnBoombe . ) He Bald that if persons met together for the purposes of treason , or what , was approaching * o treason , and that those who joined with them
Werft to regard themselves as bound by moral feeling * or that no sense of public d * tj—bo feeling as to the pnblie danger—waa to induce them to repair the wrong they h * d been once willing to do , and to Sake no compensation for their guilt , then , ie said , if such a rule were laid down there would be no safety for * ooie : y where saoh conspiracies existed , and sseh mnlawfnl combinatiqnB were to be fonnd —( hear ) , — This iborfr-iand writer was confirmed by Brooks as to the speech of Cooper , and that he was sorry to be obliged to refer to , as the man was now on his trial ; bat it was essential that thB House Ehooid inow , by means of that speech , -what the parties meant by this address , for that Bpeech left it no longer » . * a matter of doubt , nor even of surmise ,
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much less of suspicion . Cooper appealed to God that the time was come when the people ought . to be represented—that now the people should be prepared to fight , and he was prepared to figh . 1 , be the danger what it might , and the consequences to him * self what they could be . ( Hear , hear . ) Men who were on their trial were present whon that scene occurred , and when Cooper made that statement , and no one turned him out of the meeting—no one denounced him . He believed that he had been cheered—that bis spirit had been praised , as well as tho manliness of his declaration , and on the
following day the placard , which he had read for them , was posted all over Manchester , and not Icbb than seventeen different mobs were endeavouring to carry the Charter and mike it the law of the land . He had next to refer to an address , which appeared in the paper belonging to the body—to the Northern Star of the 20 th of August . This address observed that that strike , which was intended to effect a repeal of the Corn Law , had been made to Bustain the Charter , and it conolnded by counselling these engaged in the strike in abstaining from all destruction of life and property . He admitted that there had been a very remarkable abstinence from the wanton injury of property , and the wanton attack upon life . It was not the first time that he had
done homage to tie spirit that prevailed at that time—it was not characterised by violence ; but then it was his dnty , also , to show what were the intentions of-the parties . They said , -we will have the Charter we mean to go from town to town , and from mill to mill i to turn out their workmen ; and if they do not come out , then we will make them . " It might indeed be said , as it was said by the defendants and their counsel on their behalf , that all thf j meant to do , whilst they preserved property and abstained from an attack on life , that peaceably they might have a general suspension of labour , and that such would have the desired effect . And yet those who said this had pnblished paragraphs , which showed that he had put a just construction on
their conduct . Under the head of Chorley , it wag mentioned that 8 , 000 men had entered the town , and succeeded in stopping all the work in two hours , that a great number had gone to Preston , and stopped all the mills—that in Bingley , several thousands had stopped all the mills , without any difficulty , there being no protective force ; that every thing was quite at a stand-still , and nothing was to be seen but the families of lie unemployed workmen going through the streets . Similar statements were made from Stafford , Manchester , Dewsbuiy , Halifax , Leeds , Huddersfield , and other places ; in theso places , where there was no protective force to Knard the mill-owners , everything was obliged to yield to the demands of the mob . Under
these circumstances , he asked , was it possible for them to doubt , but that the persons engaged in these violent proceedings were doing that whieh "was nothing short of high treason—iheaT ) If the conduct of these men did nof amonnt to high treason , he waB unaware of the proper meaning of the term . They were engaged in a great combination , a combination carried on by means of intimidation and violence . They went from place to place intending , by that intimidation , force , and violence , to produce greit changes in the laws and constitution of the country . Suoh conduct did amount to treason—( hear , hear . ) But what was the
course taken by the government ! It was , in the first instance , to institute inquiries , and whrre individuals were fonnd actively eDgaged in these combinations , to arrest them . In the first place there was arrested Leach , and afterwards Turner , the printer of the placard which he had referred to , and the person at whose house the address of the executive council had be > n corrected . Could they have been pasted by ? If the prosecution had been for high treason , Leach must have been arrested . And be must refer much of the apparent sevtrity of the magistrates to an impression very generally abroad that the offence which had been committed
was high treason , and that it was likely that government would deal with it as such . But government determined otherwise . They thought that it would be better to adopt the most mild and moderate coarse—to satisfy those persons who were minded to obey the law that they should be protected by the law , and , as far as possible , to assure those who had broken the law that they were liable to punishment , and that some of them , at all events , should not eseape—( hear , hear ) . With respect to tfc * conduct pursued towards Leach , he had been astonished to hear the statements of the Hon . Gentleman opposite . The Hon . Gentleman had said that , whether that man's conduct was illegal or not , there was no evidence to prove it ; and , finally , that the charge had been
abandoned against him : and Leach himself stated 11 That your petitioner appeared at Liverpool , when the first charge upon which your petitioner was arrested was to be tried , and after suffering thirteen days ' confinement under the circumstances mentioned the indictment against your petitioner was abandoned , and , a * he believes , from a knowledge the prosecutor had that his witnesses were most grossly and foully perjured , and that your petitioner had ample means to prove them so /' He { the Attorney-General ) did not know whether the witnesses had been perjured or not , bat he knew this , that in Liverpool the indictment was found upon which Leach appeared at Lancaster and so far from the charge having been abandoned , he was
convicted on the clearest evidence . It wa 3 admitted by himsel ? that the placard had been proved to have btien stuck np on his honse . li was also proved that it was at his house that M'Douall had corrected the proof when the placard was printed ; and u was also proved by one of the books , respecting the taking away of which a special complaint was made , that Leach was one of tho members of the Executive Council—( hear , hear . ) He was sorry to detain the House so long with these details , but the Honourable Member for Finsbury had made special complaints with reference to the treatment experienced by the petitioners . F . rst there was White , who hid been convicted before Mr . Baron Gurney . He was the first person named in the motion . Then there was
Brook who-was convicted at Lancaster , and who was proved to have had in hiB possession the mmute 3 of the meeting of the Chartist delegates . Next came Leach , a member of the Executive Committee , and chairman of that body—then Hamey , one of the delegates , who had been also convicted . There were also Brown and Robinpon , and Alliason , who had been identified as the chairman of a Charti-t meeting—these were all the persons he bad to do with . He might mention here thai the paper of resolutions of delegates which he had read , was signed by Harney at the bottom . But to continue—these persons were all who had been convicted , and sentence bad not yet been passed . They wero to appear on thefirst day of the term to
receive the judgment of the Court of Queen s Bench for the offences of which they had been found guilty . And this was the lime which the Hon . Member for Finsbury selected for making a charge against the magistrates who had committed these men . It would be safer for the public peace , and much better for the offenders themselves—it would be much more constitutional , and in accordance with the discreet exercise of the nndoubted powers of this Honse , if the motion for inquiry had been postponed until it had appeared in what way the Judge and Jury deliberating upon it had decided Cooper's case , and also until the Conrt of Queen ' s Bench had disposed of the persons awaiting its sentence—( hear , hear ) . Under these eirenmstanees , he must say that , having the means of showing that the offence was actually committed —an offence which did appear to him to be one of
the most hign and the most grave of any known to the law—he must say that he was not surprised at the severity of the interference complained of as having been exercised by the magistrates . So far as he knew , these gentlemen had done no more than was their strict and absolute duty under the peculiar and painful circumstances in which they -were placed —( hear , heaT ) , He thought it bnt right to mention one thing more : so far from the parties complaining having been dealt with with extraordinary severity on the part of Government , he was not sure but that personal complaint ought to be made against himself for the part which he had taken m the trials , that that complaint might be really made against him on the part of those whom he represented there , as haviii | seareely exhibited that degree of severity which in such cases it was proper to enforce . He assured the House that he made this statement with
reipc : ance ; but the facts were these : —It appeared to him of the greatest importance that , having found ^ o r ; y eight delegates exciting and urging the working men to continue their unlawful proceedings , to ptrsevere in a course of violence and intimidation —it did , he repeated , appear to him that it was proper that they and the public should know that those who advised crime , when that crime was executed , should be put on a similar footing with its perpetraiors ; and it therefore seemed to him to be necessary to indict those parties—the advisers and the perpetrators together—to show that af er the commitment of the crime the former were amenable for its consequences , and liable to the game indictment under which the actual perpetrators were charged . But in adopting that course fee was necessarily compelled to abandon—and he did it with reluctancethe charges made separately against the leaders of
these misguided men—charges , which , if proved , would have subjected them to far more severe panishmtnt than did those upon which they were actually tried . The offence whieh they had actual ] j been convicted of -was conspiracy , an offence punishable by fine er imprisonment , omt by nothing more . ho such nodes of extra punishment as the treadmill could be resorted to in tuch cases ; bnt whilst he w »» proBeeutinjj indiTidnals , many of whom occupied stations of considerable respectability- —for he admuted the respectability of Scholefield , who had a ehapel ; Leechj-whoms a bookseller ; Turner , the printer , and some others—he thought it right s while prosecuting these men , to put their names into the same indictment as that under which was ranked the n « neB of th » working men , to give them all a eommon trial and a comnion fate , and thus , so far from being exposed to a greater degree of harshness by this mode of proceeding , the effect of it was that the iadictmentwas earned by writ of certiorari to the Court of Queen ' s Bench , and that the
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prisoners were thus liberated from prison , in order to enable them to appear , and that all recognizinces were immediately at an end . At this moment the parties in question were under no reoog !? nizance to appear before the Court of Qcfeen ' d . Bench—( hear , hear ) . Could Buob . a course be spoken of as a harsh one—( hear , bear ) I Or , what right had the parties to complain , when , deteoted in the commission of an offence of the gravest aspect —of-one which threatened the maintenance of tthe public peace , they had yet , instead of being indicted for high treason , been only tried for the minor offence of creating unlawful combinations and assemblies yet , forsooth , these men , when it was thought necessary to bring them to trial , were lo turn round
and say , as Turner did , *• You have already tet ' me off ; you have declared that the publication of the placard was no offence at all ; " or as another man had said , " Wh ^ , you only try me for conspiracy at last . " Yes , it was true they were only tried ; for conspiracy ; but the crime of whioh they were guilty was that of high treason . —( Hear , h 6 ar . ) He thought that there was no foundation for the motion , so far as he was able to appreciate the ground ? on which it was made ; and he must say , in the Ian * guage of the Noble Lord , the Member for the Gity of London , that without in the slightest degree questioning the power of the House to institute an inquiry like the one sought for , and to make the most searching inquisition into the misconduct and
bad motives—if there existed misconduct and bad motives—on the part of any Government—yet that for the House to accede to the motion before them would be to encourage all those who were banded together to violate the law , and afford the greatest discouragement to all those who wore disposed to admit its sway , and join in paying to it a quiet and peaceable obedience . —( hear , hear . ) Mr . Pakjngton called the attention of the Hduse to the statement of the Honourable Gentleman opposite with reference to the magistrates of Dudley . The Honourable Gentleman , in talking of Mr . Badger and Mr . Cartwright had stated that they bad been guilty of conspiring with ihe Lord-Lieutenant against the liberties of the people , and
that they were therefore unfit to hold the commission of the peace . Now , he would say , that he knew no gentlemen more fit in every respect to hold the commission of the peace , or more fitted in every respect to do their duty with propriety and advantage thau the gentlemen alluded to . What had been the nature of the charge against them 1 In point of strict law , they were oertaiuly guilty in refusing bail upon the ground on whioh they accepted it . But the persons aggrieved had appealed to law—they had applied to the Court of Queen ' s Bench for a criminal information against the magistrates , and what was the result ! The Honourable Member for Fmsbury had already moved for and obtained the papers connected
with the case . He ( Mr . rakington , had ; a copy [ of the judgment pronounced , and he would read a passage bearing upon the subject before the House : — ' * The complaint is not that workmen assembled to devise means to bettering their condition , but that others took advantage of . their quarrels with their masters , and finding vast numbers unemployed , ignorant aud disaffected , sought to incite them to every Rind of outrage . Not that the discussion of public grievances had been intemperately conducted , but that tumultuous assemblies rendering all discussion impossible , led to speeches and conduct which must have betu expected to lead to violence , outrages , outbreaks , coi . H ; cts with the lawful authorities , almost certainly to bloodshed , and vt-ry probably to universal pillage . Whether or not these meetings having been held in
the immediate neighbourhood of Dudley is of small importanoe ; they had boen held in other quarter * , producing their natural results , and were rapidly extending- It is sworn that near Dudley , in a population of half a million , persons were expectiug to follow this example , aud in this state oi things the meeting in question was announced , . It was observed on the argument , that few deeds of violence were actually committed in that district , and those by no means of a formidable character : if that be so , we have no doubt , when we regard the materials and the instruments of mischief that were preparing , that that circumstance is to be ascribed to the vigilance , the spirit , and real humanity with which the magistrates enforced the
law , as her Majestyb proclamation enjoined them . We think they are entitled to the gratitude of their Sovereign and the country for their conduct , and we are of opinion that they would have deserted their duty if they had not committed O'Neill for trial for the part he was proved to have taken at the meeting , which they most proprrly dispersed on the 20 ih of August . '' The Hon . Gentleman continued—Yet in spite of all this the Hon . Goutleman opposite said that the magistrates should be dismissed from the commission . He was aware that an error had been committed by them , but the opinion which had led them to commit it , they honestly entertained , and if they did entertain a doubt on the stringency of tho law on the subject , there were good groundB for
making them believe that under existing circumstancesin the peculiar position of the country at the timethey were consulting the public safety by not taking bail from persons connected with those who were agitation and disturbing the country . The application to the Court of Queen ' s Bench , was dismissed , on the ground that although the magistrates had committed a legal error , yet that at tho time they had no idea of perpetrating any injustice —( hear , hear ) . As soon as it became kuown in the district to which these gentlemen belonged , that : the Hon . Member ! or Finsbury intended to come before the House of Commons with , a complaint relative to their conduct , a public meeting was held , and he held in hia hand a copy of the address voted at that
meeting to Messrs . Cartwright and Badger . Tho Hon . Member proceeded to read the address . It acknowledged the deep and lasting Bense of obligation felt by the meeting to the magistrates , to the military and yeomanry , and stated that the preservation of the life and property of those signing the document was mainly attributable to their exertions . He need only add that this address was signed by 135 of the most respectable bankers and merchants of the town of Dudley , and at the h < -ad of the list be observed the name ot Lord Ward—( hear , hear ) He himself had been present at many of the conferences held between the magistrates
and the Lord Lieutenant of the county , and had never witnessed more temperance , combined with jadicioue firmness , than he had seen manifested upon those occasions—< hear ) . This was notj he believed , the first occasion on wbicb the Honourable Gentleman opposite had been unlucky in tho selection of a course to be adopted . It was a very poor return to men who had , in a great crisis , discharged their duties with zeal and with grea' activity —it was a poor return to such men , for a Member of ; the House of Commons to stand up and attempt to hold them up to publio scorn , and to reproach them for conduct for which they were well entitled to public gratitude—( cheers . )
Mr . Fielven was almost inaudible for several sentences , and was very imperfectly heard throughout . He was understood to reprobate thoconduot of the Dudley Magistrates in refusing to take bail—a degree of severity which had given an impression to the public mind that the persons aggrieved had been most unfairly treated . He bad beard it alleged that the Government had treated the rioters with leniency , but surely that was no argument for the magistrates being allowed to treat them with a degree of seventy for which there was no necessity ^ What -were the cucnmsiances under which the disturbances broke out ? Their petitionsand remonstrances to the House had long been treated with contemptthe House which ought to have protected them would
do nothing for them . They considered themselves aggrieyedand neglected . The Attorney-General bad stated that the movement , had not originated with . -the Chartists . It was at first a question of wages and of work . Many were out of employment , and tboae who were in work were labouring at such reduced wages that starvation was staring them in tho fane . There was one case brought before the House which was of a peculiarly distressing nature . ( Wo understood the Hon . Member to refer to the case of White , ) Was this proper treatment of a man , who , au he had no bad intention , ou ^ ht to have been put dewn with all possible humanity 1 And after all , continued he , what has been the conduct of these men , that they sh ' ould be so unequivocally condemned 1 What is
the grand object for which they combined I . To obtain a voioe in the making of the laws—( hear . ) I have seen a great many movements in my days for the purpose of obtaining some share in the government of ihe eouutry , and the men who joined in and led them used language just as exciting as any imputed to these men . And theae , be it always recollected , were workingtoen . What does Leach say J This , let me observe , was a man of excellent character . I never heard a word to his disparagement . He is a Chartist , it is true , and as such must be called and treated as a criminal . But what is his defence " Weare charged , " said he , '' with wishing to destroy machinery . Why should we destroy the work of our own hands ! But this much I maintain—that it ia our dnty to take care that machinery does not destroy us . " In fact , he maintained nothing more than that it was necessary to shorten the hours of factory labour , bo as to make it
compatible with the life and comforts of the working people—so as to enable their children to receive that education which yon now so loudly urge on Parliament as essential to the salvation of the country —( hear , hear . ) How could you expeet anything else bat some civil convulsion , when you invariably denied all redress of the grievances of the people , aDd then crowned your humane consideration for their wants by passing the new Poor Law ! If you had never passed that law , we should never haye heard of an outbreak in the North . Is it not preposterouB to" deny the working men all legitimate means of obtaining relief , and , when they furiously break out into acts of insubordination , to justify the conduct of magistrates , which , in my opinion , was clearly unjustifiable 1 I was myself a witness of some of these proceedings . A large multitude of these working men came over to the works of myself and brothers . But before they arrived , Mr . Taylor , Mr . Croesley , and an efficer of dragoons , came to me
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and assured me that if we wanted protection it should be afford . Those gentlemen said the mob was coming to pull ; out the plugs and stop our works . The loader Boon came up , as was the case in so many other places . I asked , " what is it you want ? " The reply was " we want twelve hours' wages for ten hours' work . " I said , " I am ready to agree to that . " I then assured the Magistrates and officers that these m en only wanted a reasonable change , which I was willing to concede ; and that as for the protection of my works , if my people were not able to preserve them , I should never appeal to the Magistrates and military . Well , they went through the vale and stopped the mills ; bat not a single offence did they commit against ; life , and not a single injury did they
commit against property . When they arrived at Halifax , however , they met the troops , and then ensued that heart-rending scene which has been described . Why , it is . notorious in Halifax that the representation which my Hon . Friend has given is true . No person doubts the faqt of the man being phot in the manner described . And such severity aa this JB attempted to be defended , instead of your calmiBg the public mind by assuring the people that you will listen to their complaints , and use your utmost efforts to redress them . I think it would be a much better course if the House endeavoured , by the appointment of a Committee or some other means , to ascertain whether the people had not reason to complain , and pledged itself to the most strenuous efforts to remove the evils which afflict the great mass of the community . Hut if the people are to be left in their present condition , and to be treated in the manner which they have been , I say then you must
prepare for another insurrection , as the time is not far diBtant when the people muBt be again driven to violence . The labouring people must be supported . They must live by their labour , or you must supply them with the means of subsistence—( hoar , hear . ) It is an old saying that " hunger will break through stone walls ; " and though you may trample on a hungry people Once or twice , at last you will find their power too great for you . I should recommend this House , then , not to delay turning < ts attention to the real state of the working classes , and doing something to remove the prejudices which prevail in their minds against the governing power . Depend upon it no decision of this House can put down the organization which has been formed for the obtaining of Universal Suffrage , Annual Parliaments , and the Vote by Ballot . lie thought the people ought to persist in their demands . He would support tho motion with much pleasure .
Mr . W . Patten defended the Magistrates , and thought the motion unsubstantiated . Lord Francis E ^ erton then rose to defend his own conduct in the matter of the Preston butchery . Of course be was quite » ure that it was absolutely necessary for the soldiers to fire upon the people , and that the magistrates who ordered them to do so were the very pink of humanity . Mr . G . Wood felt it a duty ( connected as he had been with the proceedings of the magistracy in the Manchester districts ) , to bear his testimony upon this occasion—( hear . ) The charges that had been made were substantially , that the magistrates had refused bail in some instances , and demanded heavy bail in others , and that the prisoners had
experienced great discomfort in confinement . As to the length of the remands , they were longer certainly than in ordinary cases , but not from any desire to make them longer than was absolutely n > re . isary . As to the refusal of bail , undoubtedly , before the examinations wero completed , and before the magistrates knew the nature of the charges that might be made , they did not think it expedient to admit to bail . As to the wisdom of this course , he was perfectly ready to abide by tht > deoision of the House ; his own impression was in its favour . Then as to the excessive bail , —it was in some cases required to be large ; he felt anxious himself , und < -r the circumstances , on whioh he communicated with the magistracy ; but when ii was considered that it had been by no means
certain that some of the prisoners had not rendered themselves liable for charges of high treason , he thought the House would agree that it was no more than wise and prudent to exact such bail as , without being too excessive , should secure their appearance to answer to the laws of their country . —( hoar , hear . ) With regard to the question of discomfort , it was certainly to be regretted that persons who . in law , were to be deemed innocent until found guilty , should be subject to any unnecessary hardship while under detention ; but some degree of hardship had been absolutely unavoidable ; for the gaols had been so crowded that ( the weather being hot ) some danger was apprehended of disease , and the prison was whitewashed . Every effort , however , had been made
to render the incouvenience as small as posmble under this enormous influx of prisoners . With respeot to the motion itself ( continued the Hon . Member , after a short pause } 1 have ) personally , no objection to it . ( A triumphant cheer from Mr . Duncombe—hearty laughter from Mr . Wakley , and ironical cries of ' hear , hear , " from the House cencraliy , ) because I have no objection to inquiry , either into the conduct of the magistrates or my own —( laughter and ironical cheers . ) I must guard myself against being supposed to admit there has beenmadeoutanyground for icquiry—( loud laughter ) or that there Has been showu any just ground of complaint on the part of the petitioning prisoners—( 'oud laughter and "hear hear , ' ) all of whom , I believe , have been found guilty of participating in the unlawful proceedings—( hear , hear ) More partioulary as to the conduct of Mr . Foster and Mr . Maude , I feel bound to declare that they are held in
the highest esteem by men of all parties ; and I believe that the imputations involved in this mption will not meet with the smallest support— ( great laughter and ironical cheers . ) Colonel Rolle-ton ( who spoke in a most inaudible tone ) said the serious charges of the Hon . Mover were not worthy of the slightest credit ; and that it was well known theoondHct of the magistracy had not deserved the imputations directed against them ; but , on the contrary , had been justified in their proceedings by the dangerous incendiary language which had been employed at the publio meetings . ( Hear , hear ) The outbreak was not confined to persons beiongiug either to the town of Nottingham or the county of Nottingham , but amongst the mob were persons from Derbyshire and other places , whioh plainly showed that it was of a most serious nature , and that the magistrates were perfetly justified in taking strong measures for its suppression in the first instance .
Captain Berkeley said , it was an injustice to tho gentlemen whose names were brought forward that this inquiry should not be granted ; and for that reason , be should support the motion of his Hon . Friend . Mr . Brothertoh defended the conduct of the Magistrates and Police of Manchester . Lord Ingestrie spun a long yarn chiefly from the affidavits of themselves in defence of the Staffordshire " Shallows . " He admitted that they had commuted an error , but he thought they deserved the gratitude oi' the country .
Mr . R . Scott supported the motion . The conduct of the magistrates in many of the cases alluded to had been , in his opinion , most unwarrantable . He knew it to be a fact , that on the morning appointed for the trial of O'Neill , the Chartist preacher , because there happened to be a crowd in the street , without the slightest appearance of tumult , the Magistrates went to the windows of the Court-house , where they had assembled for judicial business , and read the Riot Act . In another instance , a person of the name of Cooke had been arrested for exhibiting a placard printed by O ' Neill * in whioh there was nothing seditious or improper , and actually brought to trial on an indictment for stopping the Queen's highway , by putting a bill in his window , which the people bad been induced to read . Surely in these
cases , the liberty of the subject had bten grossly violated . Tne Attorney-General had given no answer to the charges brought forward by the Hon . Member for Finsbury . The Hon . and Learned Gentleman said these were not oases for enquiry by the House , but for indictments or actions at law ; but although the parties aggrieved might proceed in each case , and obtain damages in a court of law , it was only by an inquiry before that House that all the cases could be fairly investigated , and the general conduct of the magistrates fairly ascertained . In matters of discretion he was willing to allow tho magistrates every latitude , but when they proceeded to breaches of the law , and gross invasions of the liberty of the subject , instead of preserving the publto peace , it wap the duty of that House strictly and impartially to inquire into their conduct .
Sir J . Graham wished , before the debate closed , to address a very few words to the House . The Hon . Gentleman who had just sat down would , he believed , be alone in the opinion that his Hon . and Learned Friend the Attorney General had made an unsatisfactory reply to the speech of the Hon . Member for Finsbury . He would say with confidence , that a more full , complete , spirited , and satisfactory answer had never been given to any charge than by his Hon . and Learned Friend tonight—( hear , near , hear ) . Hia Hon . and Gallant Friend , the Member for Glooester , had truly stated that all the facts of this case had been completely disposed of . The allegations of the Hon . Member for Finsbury had been dealt with seriatim by gentlemen on both sides of the House competent to give evidence on each of the charges . The Mao ehester case had been disposed of by hiB Hon . and
Learned Friend the Attorney-General ; the Dudley case had also been satisfactorily disposed of , notwithstanding yrhat had since fallen from the Hon . Gentleman who had just sat down , by his Hon . Friend the Member for Droitwitch ; there did net remain unanswered a single statement which had been made by the Hon . Member for Finsbury . The judgment ; of the Court of Queen ' s Bench had been relied on . It was vastly well for the Honourable Member for Walsall to say that charges of this kind should bo investigated by the House of Commons , but that case had already been carefully investigated , and sifted to the very bottom , by the highest tribunal of the country . It had been heard before a single judge , Mr . Justice Patteson . He long hesitated whether he shotlld grant a criminal information . The first inclination of his mind waa not to grant it , but for the purpose of having a
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most important question sifted thoroughly , he consented to grant a rule . It came on upon motion before the Court of Queen ' s Bench . The case was fally argued , and the judgment of the Court was Sronounoedin the terms read by his Hon . Friend the lember of Droitwioh , He would not weary the House by quoting the precise expressions . It was true that costa had been awarded , but on the express ground ,, as stated by the Chief Justice , that the magistrates were wrong in their law . The rule being that no criminal information should be granted by the Court where the animus of the magistrates was held to be pure , the Chief Justice stated that the magistrates had to act in circumstances of great public danger ; it being the opinion of the Court
that they had acted in the midst of that danger firmly , honestly , with the purest and best intentions , they positively refused to grant a criminal information ; at the same time it being admitted that the magistrates were wrong in law , costs , as he had said , were awarded . Where , then , was the necessity for investigating this matter before a select committee ) The law and the details had already been fully cleared up by the highest tribunal in the country . But , said the Hon . Member for Fin&bury , the magistrates were dismissed with censure by the Court of Queen's Bench . He positively denied that . So far from imputing censure , the concluding sentence of the judgment gave praise to the magistrates . The Chief Justice said , " The opinion of these magistrates was
hastily adopted , iu a crisis of real danger , and most probably from deference 10 a general resolution . This induces uf , in conformity with the rule by which this court has regulated its practice , to decline interfering by a criminal information , and we discharge the rule ; but as the conduct of the magistrates was such as to justify tho application , they must pay the coste . " He repeated his assertion that with respect to the animus which dictated iho proceedings of these magistrates , the Court of Queen ' s Bench , so far from censuring them , discharged them without ) any imputation upon their conduct . In point of law they were undoubtedly wrong , and they were therefore ordered to pay the costs . With respect then to the Dudley case , there was no reason
for instituting an investigation before a committee of that House . There might have been some doubt whether * , cons dering the circumstances , thai the applicants entertained strong political opinions and wero connected with a violent political movement , the refusal to take bail was or was not justifiable by law . His apprehension of the law always led him to believe that the decision of the Dudley magistrates was improper ; and any doubt which had existed on the subject had been cleared up by the judgment in the case . It was needless to refer to the three cases whioh had been tried at Lancaster . The petitioners were , first , the printer of a placard which the Attorney-General had prouounced to be a document which , if not
treasonable in us character , might be considered as bordering on the very verge of treason , when coupled with the overt aots which had been committed , and this person pleaded guilty . The second . petition was from the Chairman of tho Executive Council from which this placard emanated , and who was convicted ; and the ! third petitioner , who was acquitted , was an individual in whose chapel were held Jthe meetings of [ this Executive Council , by whom the dangerous and seditious , ir not treasonable , placards issued . . So much , then , for the Lancaster and Dudley cases . He now came to the case affecting the Hon . Member for the county cf Nottingham , ( Col . Rblleston ) , who bad given a most clear and distinct { explanation to the Houpe ; and they must
remember that this statement did not rest on any doubtful authority , but that the Hon . Gentleman washim ' selfa witness of all the transactions reftm-d to in the petition . Tha House must bear iu mind that though , iu this instance , one Jury tried all the cases—though all the prisoners were included in the eame indictment , and were arraigned together , and pleaded | to 'hat indictment conjointly—in order to afford them a more fair trial , and to give them an opportHnity of separate justification , they were classified and tried separately . One Ju ^ y . however , had them in charge ; they pleaded to this Jury ; and his Hon . Friend had no choioe , for the only course he could pursue was to try them by one Jury . Then an imputation had been thrown upon his Hon .
Friend , that be was the committing magistrate , and had also presided at the trial ; but a more monstrous proposition could not be advanced than that it was not competent to a magistrate to commit a person for triaU , and then to preside at the trial of such person at the quarter sessions . The committal was made upon an ex parte statement , and the magistrate was called upon to consider whether there was ground for placing the accused upon trial ; but , when the prisoner waa tried by a jury , the magistrate heard not only the accusation but the defence . It wa 9 , indeed , a case of every day occurrence that a magistrate , having committed on an ex parte statement , was , at the sessions , favourable to the
acquittal of the prisoner . He ( Sir J . Graham ) had long had the pleasure of an intimate acquaintance with the Hon . Member for Finsbury ( Mr . T . Duncombe ) , ! who had brought forward this motion . During j his ( Sir J . Graham ' s ) absence from the House last night , at the close of the discussion in Committee of Supply , the Hon . and Gallant Member for Maryiebone ( Sir C . Napier ) made an observation which struck him as beiug extremely ju 3 t . Thi Hon . Gentleman said that monomania was . the order of the day ( laughter ) , and he illustrated the remark by an allusion to tbo Hou . and gallant officer the Member : from Brighton , observing that whenever the Poor Laws were mentioned , that Hon .
Gentleman— j Captain Pzchkll ( interrupting ) . —The Hon . Member for Marylebone referred to an Hon . Gentleman behind you . ( Laughter . ) Sir J . jGraHam . —Whenever the Poor Laws w « re mentioned , the Hon . and Gallant Member for Brighton seemed always to have in his mind's eye that terrestrial paradise—that Gilbert Union in West Sussex—[ a laugh)—which the Hon . Gentleman painted in such glowing colours , and to which he had extended his especial protection . ( Laughter . ) When an Assistant Poor Law Commissioner- was mentioned , the mind of the Hon . Member for Knaresborough ( Mr . Ferrand ) was haunted by images of Mr . Mott , and by recollections of the K ighley Union
—( a laugh)—and he indulged the House with a detail of the oppression to which the poor in the north of England were exposed . He had always considered that the Hon . Member for Finsbury ( Mr . T . Duncombe ) was a gentleman of strong understanding , that his mind was unclouded by any vulgar prejudices —( loud laughter)—but it appeared to him that the Hon . Member was not quite free from monomania—( a j laugh . ) That Hon . Gentleman seemed to be haunted with the idea that all the Judges were necessarily wrong in their decisions , —that all Magistrates were monsters of tyranny and oppression , — that juries could not properly perform their duties , and that Chartists were t > he brightest examples of innocence ,, aiid purity , and kindness . ( Laughter . ) This was the extraordinary delusion under which the Hon . Member seemed to be labouring . At that eventful period , at the commencement of last Autumn , to which such frequent reference had been madeto-night , he ( Sir James ) badamidst much peril , and anxiety ,
, an opportunity of forming a judgment as to the manner jin which the magistrates of this country discharged their duties ; and he would be betraying his trubc if he neglected to state to the House that , if happily this kingdom then escaped the imminent and serious danger of an insurrection of a most formidable character , widely spread , and threatening notl only property but life—if this country escaped ! such danger without much loss of "life , without ;; the ibfiiction of serious injury upon property , its e 6 cape was mainly attributable to the support ! which her Majesty ' s Government received from the magistracy —( hear , and cheers . ) It might be invidious to allude to any particular instances , but twolhad already been referred to by the Hon . Member ; for Finsbury—those of the Lords-Lieutenant of the Counties of Stafford and Worcester . Tha Lord-Lieutenant of Staffordshire was not here at the commencement of the disturbances ; but the Lord-Lieutenant of Worcestershire was in town at that
period , and at his ( Sir J . Graham s ) request , at the short notice of two hours , that gentleman went down to his county to discbarge his official duties for the preservation of the publio peace . It might , as he had before observed , be deemed invidious thus to allude to particular cases , but , as the Hou . Member for tinsbury bad mentioned the Lords-Lieutenant for Staffordshire aud Worcestershire-Mr . T . DuwcoJiiJE said he had referred o-aly te the Lord-Lieutenant for Worcestershire ; Sir J . | Ghaham proceeded , —Very well ; then he would say , that from the commencement of these disturbances he had received no more active and efficient support from any individual for the maintenance of the public peace than had been rendered
by the Lord Lieutenant of the county of Worcester . Various subjects had been mentioned during this discussion to which it would be unnecessary for him to advert , but he felt it his duty to refer to one point which had been touched upon by the Hon . Member for Finsbury . That Hon . Gentleman had asserted . —^ and as a military man he must have made the statement with great pain and hesitation—that liquor wfas given to the soldiers at Halifax , that they were intoxicated before they were called upon to act , and that a breach of military discipline ensued . Now , until the Hon . Member made tkis assertion , he ( Sir J . Graham ) bad never beard such a charge mentioned , either in that House or out of it ; and , with all respect for tbe Hon . Oentleman , he moat
declare Ithat be oould not place eredit in the statement . ] The officer in command of the district in whioh Halifax was situated was a gentleman of the highest ) merit and of extensive experience , —an officer who maintained among the troops the strictest discipline—General Brotherton ; at the head of j the army of this country was an officer pre-eminently distinguished by his military talents , but in no respect more distinguished than by his invariable , never-flinching determination to maintain the most severe discipline ; and he ( Sir J . Graham ) was perfectly satisfied that , if any such accusation as that which had been advanced by the Hon . Member for Finsbury could . have been substantiated , it would not have remained a secret until this
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time ; but the military authorities would have inati , tilted a most strict investigation on the subject The Hon . Member , with respect to his allusion to the case of Preston , had received an answer upon matters of fact so conclusive , that it tended to throw some shadow of doubt upon his allegation as to tha occurrence ? at Halifax . The Hon . Gentleman bad also expressed doubts as to whether the , troops were justified in acting with decision at Blackburn . It was a disgrace to thi 3 country to admit—bnt the fact showedthi lamentable and dangerous extent to which the insurrection had spread—thai , for two or three days during the month of August , the town of Blackburn might be considered as in a state of tiege The troops durst not venture in smairbodjes beyond the preeints of the town ; mobs of 12 . 000 or 13 flftfl
persons entered the place from the' neighbouriuff districts ; the authorities interposed , and several prisoners were apprehended , and when they were about to be removed au attempt was made to rescue them . —( Mr . Duncombe here expressed dissent ) He ( Sir J . Graham ) said , an attempt was decidedly made at a rescue . The Hon . Gentleman said thai the troops were so pressed , that when they fired they were within two yards of the crowd , ana he que / tioned the humanity of the proceeding , oc the ground that they did not use the bayonet instead of tha musket . Could anybody then doubt what was the situation of the troops at this crisis , when it waa stated that this band only consisted of thirty men That being the case it mast be evident that they were
in imminent danger , pressed as they were On every side by an immense multitude ; nevertheless , until the order was given not a shot was fired , and when they did fire , in order to prevent as much as possible any annessary loss of life , they fired by single file , until at length , having kept perfect order , thfy werg enabled to retreat , although they were so much pres sed by numbers , evincing , he was sorry tosay , coutrary to the usual character of Englishmobs , amostsanguifl . ary disposition , and armed with dangerous weapons , One of the Hon . Members for Finsbury ( Mr , Wakley ) was a coroner . He would not , therefore . set up a committee of the House of Commons aa more fit to try a question of this nature than a coroner ' s jury . But , in fact , there had been an inquesj
which had tried the question , and which , after a long investigation , returned a verdict of 4 t Justifiably homicide . " ( Hear , hear . ) Then with , respect to the conduct of the mayor—in his ( Sir J . Graham's ) opinion , that magistrate ' s conduct was marked witi the utmost intrepidity ; he was present during tha whole proceeding ; he took the command of tlj troops ; he did not order the firing until the dangei was pressing ; he stopped the firing the moment the danger was overcome ; and he ( Sir J . Graham ) waj bound to say that , in his opinion , by the good conduct of that magistrate a very great service hal been performed . The military head of the troop ; was satisfied with his conduct ; the town was sati * fied ; and if he ( Sir J . Graham ) mistook not , he ha * been
presented with the thanks of his fellow towas men for his conduct on that occasion . He had no * gone through the principal charges brought forward by the Hon . Gentleman , and he . must repeat tin question which had been bo forcibly put by his Hon , and Learned friend the Attorney General , and ^ asked the House to consider how dangerous motiom of this kind were when brought forward under the semblance of maintaining the administration o ( justice , and when in reality they interfered wift the due administration of justice , and never mor * so than on this occasion . A statement bad beat made by his Hon . and Learned Friend—it had beet wruug Irom him—of what was the conduct of onj individual at Manchester , when the delegates broh
op , after having completed the arrangements whjj ] j they had entered into by a , conspiracy his Hon . ajj Learned Friend had disclosed the speech which wjf made by an individual who was then on his trial if Stafford for his conduct on that occasion . But thi persons in respect of whom this motion was mads were at that moment awaiting the judgment of tbt Court of Queen ' s Bench , and the judges of that com { would shortly have to consider what their puni& ment should be . It was most painful to his Hds , and Learned Friend , under such circumstances , it have to make statements which might have a tes < dency to aggravate the punishment of those individuals . The motion , however , led to this , and bo had a tendency to interfere with the administratioi
of justice . On these grounds he thought it , with thj Hon . Member for Kendal ( Mr . G . W . Wood ) , "I . timed ; " he thought it " not sustained f he thought % * ' east a stigma on the- , magistrates of the counirj ? In all this he fully concurred with the Hon . Member for Kendal ; but he must say , that having receirai great aid from the Hon . Gentleman in his magisfc rial capacity , in the county of Lancaster , asj having had occasion to know that , as the Lord Chief Justice said , the magistracy did in tb main give their cordial support to the maintenance of law and the security of property , still he must say that , having this feelinj with respect to the conduct of tho Hon . Memberij a magistrate , and having received every assistasft from him in his magisterial capacity , if anything could shake his confidence in the' firmness and
judgment of the Hoq . Member , he ( Sir J . Graham ) did £ p say , 'in his capacity as a magistrate , but as a Member of the House , it would be to find'him , after havkj declared that the motion was ill-timed and note © turned , and tbat it cast a stigma , on tbe magistracy from some sensitive apprehension that his condoti should be misunderstood , voting for-itneverthela —( "hear , hear , " and laughter ) That he mustar did strike him with astonishment , thought it coull not shake his respect for the Hon . Member ' s chantter ; ' but he did hope that other Hon . Membra thinking with the Hon . Member for Kendal , wow decisively mark their sense of this motion by puttisj the Hon . Member for Finsbury in a small minoritj . Mr . G . Wood said , that it was solely on w ground that his own conduct was impeached by tia motion that he voted for it .
Mr . Mumz did not appprove of the conducts these people ; he could not excuse their condtfSj but at the same time , if it were not for the judgmat of the Queen's Bench he could net excuse the condd of the Dudley magistrates , when they acknowledpi that bail ought to be taken and yet refused to tiij it from regard to the politics of the parties . If j 3 » Queen ' s Bench had not shown these gentlemen M the magistrates could not do so with impunity , If should have voted for tbe motion ; as it was , !* should oppose it . Mr . V . Stuabt had to state , on the part otS Charles Shaw , that be was most anxious to fain an inquiry , and from his ( Mr . V . Stu&rt * s ) acquittance with that gentleman he must say be belief if an inquiry were granted , he would come out of it with honour to himself . Mr . Ainsworth , from his acquaintance withfl * circumstance , could say , of the magistrates of Preston , that their conduct was most exemplary in etaj trying and difficult circumstances .
Captain Vivian said that the Hon . Member B Finsbury ( . air . T . Duncombe ) had stated that Ha troops at Halifax had been given drink , to nub them do their duty . Now , here was no duty * painful to a soldier as to have to suppress dislfr bances in his native country , and he thought tit the House agreed with him that no blame conU . il cast on the troops for their conduct on that occ ' asia The Hon . Member ought to be more guarded ii his language , because few things were hkelj } be more painful to a soldier ' s feelings than tbe to putation the Hon . Member had made .
Mr . T . Dvncoubb said , he only stated that W troops had acted under the orders of the map trates , and not that the troops were responsible '* what occurred , and that a gentleman gave moptji whioh money was spent in drink , which the-soM * had previous to their being called out and prerioS to their acting . He had also stated , that in BIaf burn ale and cheese had been supplied by theO ' habitants to the soldiers beyond what tney w » entitled to . Whether they had a right to do go not , he was not disputing . But he must say thai » had a very bad appearance , and was complained * that the military previous to being called out shop in some places receive money , which they spent 0 intoxicating liquors , and in other places rat ^ beyond what they were entitled to . The Hdn . MemW for Birminghom seemed to think that his ( Mr . Dn" " combe ' s ) motion was directed asainst Messrs . Bad $
. and Cartwright , but that was a mistake . He «» not want to inquire into their case . U had « fl » disposed of by the Queen ' s Bench . The rule hw been dismissed , and they ordered to pay the ca * He repeated , therefore , that their conduct had w » censured by the Chief Justice of that Court , an < N " was surprised when the Right Hon . Baronet K * j one portion of that Judge ' s opinion that he had ^ also read that portion to which be ( Mr . Dancom ?' had refcm-d . ( Sir J . Graham— " You read it J »< £ self . " ) There were then but few Members »_ » House , and he would read it again . The Hod . W * tlemmi having done so , proceeded to observe , m * however some Honourable Members might * . »•• those magistrates entitled to the confidence of •» House , hie belief , founded on the opinions of W ™ Hale , Blackburne , and Denman , was , that tiirj were guilty of and indictable for an offence ag » Jtae liberty of the subject . The House might bestt { Concluded in our first page .
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