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MONDAY , March 15 . SOCSE OF LORDS . —The attendance of peers was eon-« d » ra ' jly more numerous than usual , there being present during tUe debttc not les « than 200 . The galleries were tfith one exception , crowded , and that exception wag formed by the space assigned to members of the House of ComuiODS , in which scarcely half a dozen gentlemen ¦ were to be seen ; but below the bar , the galleries usually asiigned to ladies , the space near the steps of the throne , the gtransers' gallery , and in every other available s pot , the crow d was excessive . Eren the episcopal benches were Sell-fiHed . As regards the division of parties , all the memjjers of the new government occupied , as might be expected , the Treasury bench , while those composing the late
administration were seated , with scarcely an ^ exception , on tbo front Opposition bench , the Marquis of Lansdowne ccupyinp the most prominent place . PoLicTOFinElGoTKRSMExr . —Lord BEAinioxTrose , in comp liance with tho notice of motion which he had given , to call ihea ttention of their lordships to tbe injury inflicted on the country by the uncertainty which existed as to the intentions of the government respecting the law regarding the importa tion of foreign com . The course which he intended to pnrsue was this—he would put a question to the noble earl at the head of her Majesty ' s government" as to the inte ntion of the government to recommend , or not toreeqmmen- l , to Parliament an alteration of the present policy with respect to the importation of foreign corn as soon as
a new parliament couirt be assembled ! ne would then , as le had giv . n notice , present a petition complaining of tho inj ary which was inflicted on tbe country by the present anc-rtamty on that point , and would conclude with a motion tbat that petition should be Jail on the table . He adopted that course to put himself right in point of order , and to give other noble lords an opportunity of addressing the house , if they should think fit to make any observations on the subject . He would prove , in the first place , that it was desirable that the country should be informed as early S 3 possible on this important subject . He would then
endeavour to show that great uncertainty prevailed in the country as to the intentions of government . He would then attempt , to show , from the words of the noble earl iimgelf on a former occasion , that we were as yet unaware wtat measures would be produced before parliament on this interesting subject ; and , after endeavouring to show the uncertainty which prevailed , would show the irconvei . i- nee which had reiulted , and was still resulting , therefrom to the pnblic interests . After that , he shouldYeel himself eatitled to ask the noble carl to answer his question in such a manner as would put a final stop to that uncertainty . Then , if the noble earl should answer in such a manner
as to removo all ^ uncertainty as to his intention , the prayer of the petition would be complied with ; for tbe existing ! uncertainty would contiaue no longer . "When the noble earl was in opposition he was frank and consistent ib the expression of Ida Protectionist opinions , but now , when he was in office , he turned round and said , these are my private opinions , though it was evident at the flame time that he intended to introduce measures in accordance with them . The course pursued , however , appeared to him something very like the abdication of tha functions of government . It was not for the government to say to the country , "You must tell us what to do ; we will propose whatever measure you may tell us to be right , and that ia the course we are determined to pur .-ue . " If
that were so the country was indeed advancing to anex * ternal , out-of-door , democratical government , more rapidly than it had ever advanced previously . The noble earl had stated that it was a question to be settled by the enlightened classes out of doors , meaning thereby the constitnencies . Was not that enconraging agitation ? Was it aotcillmgonthe country to agitate this question with a view of founding some ulterior measure on that agitation * Was it not saying almost in express terms , «• Tight tbe battle among yourselves out of doors , and , whichever party wins , I'll declare for the winner ? " No clearer words could hare been uttered to enc ourage both parties to this contest , to prepare for war . As soon as they had fallen from the
noble earl , the Anti-Corn liw League again sprang armed into existence . There was to be a contest-rwhich with them was a contest of life and death—and they came forward immediatel y to defend their system , which was now beyond all question to be attacked , if not destroyed , if the majority of the new parliament should be against them . After adverting to the varying and different opinions expressed by the new Ministers at the hustings , which appeared to him like " confusion worse confounded , " the noble lord said : —The country was entitled to know , after the parliament was elected , whether it was to have a fixed duty of . or a fixed duty of 5 s . He declared that it was , in his opinion incumbent upon the government to tell the
country wnether they did or did not intend to propose a fixed duty on the importation of foreign corn . As they appeared to have both schemes in petto , thev ought to tell us which scheme they intended to try first . On the turf , when you have two horses entered for the same race , you are generally called upon to declare with which horse you intend to win . ( A iaugn ij y ^ asked ^ ^ who was not unacquainted with that rnle , whether he meant to wm with his 5 s . duty , or with the transfer of the Jt ™ Wlture ( o the manufacturing classes ? ( Hear , hear , ; and a laugh . ) What proved the great un-JM ? 3 » smg outof the declarations of Ministers on this subject was this-tbat out of five or six persons , who rZ £ S ! TneDce , wer esn PP osedtoknowbest the real meaning of the words which fell from gentlemen in office each has given a different version of the import of their declarations . No two of them concur in attribntinir
tne same meaning to their words ; and yet they all say that it is quite clear what Ministers intend , though thev differ Joto ccelom the explanation of their intention . Under such circumstances he thought that the noble earl should put five of these gentlemen in the wrong by declaring himself what is the right meaning , if , indeed , he should not put all the six m the wrong by informing them that they had none of them decyphered his riddle . ( A lau « h . ) Mr . P ™* ° 4 ™ " »* ? J ^ neral attack on Sir R . Peel ' s policv , S 3 rf , ? M ght i fl " ! i . Lo J d Derby tll 0 ° S ht that the noble w ^ I ?^ ihe - te ] lngs of the country upon tbat Shrf « r e" ?? \ rf he did nofc intend to reverse the irholepolicjof the late Sir B . Peel , what portion of it he tended to alter . He ( lord Beaumont ) wanted to narrow the struggle which was then impending . He told the nob . e earl that , by what he had recently said , he had disarranged all the most important arrangements of
commerce . He farther told the noble earl that valuations to a considerable extent had been suspended since he had made his recent speech . He himself knew of several Sr « i r whlch «!•*« hid refused to proceed with nSddSST ™ c tnew whether Ss- « " ? s- ' « e to ne added to the price of every quarter of foreign corn . He iere ^ V- ° , rmedbyse ^ " of those ge / tlemen whS MdL tff ™ . d » w"B « P leases , that thfy had received SnM n « S tLedrawiD g"P «*^ ases . and thatparties SJfeSr « iV i t , " ^^ thi » V wn «" wh ch iS '"^ He aIso knew several instances in SSbaS f Rndout S ° ing tenants did not know upon Jto « tarf 2 1 nptheir ¦ Sreements with each other , theother !* tethe . » Pi ^ ation which one was to give and Q uence suL ? CeWe - -J This was only the natural consequence , supposing an idea was abroad that rt * ™ iw « f « , »
after ex ^ ti ab ° nt H" ?* 8 * 0 alteWtion - The -ble 1 ^ 5 S the iff'f- ° f the ten « fit 3 which had heen conferred repeat Iffc eI f ESes a « d the country generally , by the SJ , n te . - > ? ° nclndcd b * ^ B the following SoSdTo ^ , r lfc 19 cr isnot their intention to re-? kbT ^ tttm ? Dt an alteration of tbe P « sent policy SmlTc ^ t * "Ration of corn as soon as anew S £ Can be "sanbled ? -and laid the petition on the JE ^ d Fatbbsiu m asked from what place the petition , S Beacmost said it came from certain occupiers of Snntv of York . " 6 W tW ° t 0 Wnslli P 8 in tbat distri ° t . in Lord Derby said , it would have been satisfactory to him u he could have given a categorical answer , "Yes " or Ao , to a question which it had taken the interrogator an hour and ten minutes to put . He could not do that out should be happy to give him and tbe house such infor !
station as he could consistently with his duty ; but he loped that noble lords who might follow , would not be led in-o an unnecessary discussion on the corn laws . Lord Beaumont had certainly done no great justice to his clients , the petitioners , whose anxiety deprived them " of repose night and day , as he bad not said one word about them from the beginning to the end of his speech . It appeared , iowever , they were thirteen in number , and altogether o cuj . ied only 1 , 841 ncres of land . " Some of the petitioners are farmers , and some are very respectable gentlemen following tfher pursuits in lifeThere is them
. among ilr . Langdale , a highly respectable gentleman ; then comes -air . Jonathan Wright , who is an auctioneer at Snaith j and after him Mr . Thomas Pickins , a surgeon . These two gentlemen between them occupy twenty acres of land . Uaughter ) ft must be confessed that this is not a very » nm » uiulertaSdns- . Indeed , I am happy to find that even fccfrfll lo . rd . has-and , nodoubt , very correctly-stated the « Win J- ? J nries and grievances of these petitioners to con-^ Sf " esana SriwancwnrtfaoM , butomyinjwiM . The SKE ? T actna "y labouring under any grievances « r sunenng from any ;„ : „ - ;„ hnt ; t - h t th
anticip «« Dg tsey shall hereafter raffer and lahour under that they ThPv ° rw " ? S ? ou « lordships to reliev « them from . h » ,, L have the anxiety as to what may hereafter ^ I ' pen removed from their minds . T # ke , for instance , the sucuoneer , who is the owner of eight acres of Iand-the surgeon occupying twelve acres . So doubt , the auctioneer is &tm « j ? ^ ? ? man - J dare * ay he has made some Brett J . / h « business , and occupies a villa with a very and \ l , 2 ? bbery a «""» d it—that he has a kitchen garden , beenmi ! - ere he tee P s two or three cowe . Thus he shonM ii ^^ npe ™ f a certa ! n 1 nant > ty of land . But I grown i ke kn ^ ff what is the amount of wheat which is s « uwn Dy . Mr . Snaith—I he * hi » rA it- Tnngthan
iiSSr * ? deducting the shrubbery , tbe paddock , the ( H ^ rt " . and the lawn from bis eight acres of land ? or dav t , } And * that gentleman cannot deep night he cannnf cann ? t e » ter upon any new valuation of his land , lan drr * Pf ' hiB leases or determine on his mode of hustoten&n r % } he " 066 he does not know whether it is the * ate TL e | 0 Tefnment to put on in additional mode-TfaegS . the importation of corn . ( Hear , hear . ) ¦^ hv ^ , f- " ? to Jetting . farms was an exaggeration . T don ' ft W tbe P roceeding in the cultivation of farms ? Xo nmbVri mi " March wbatw 5 » h « thepriceof wheatiu tters at » wj i ?* ^ calculations by which the far-Snaithwi ! r- n flM ' CMe ? J P « 8 ni » e that even in tfcer tforetw * £ * 80 wn m March or A P ; J Presutfe , ^ ted hrimv 5 Crests of those parties would not b& at tb ene ^ ! ° y de elaration , whether it were made now or ^ "t i irl ^ r « " , or Aether they knew now or at that "ere tae intentions of goTernment . or . what
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was much more important , the intentions of parliament with respect to the amount of the supposed additional duty , I have never known any particular sum specified or even hinted at by any member of the present government ; hUt tho BOble lord himself hts taken the sum of ft . or & . a-qnarter , referring most especially for his authority to a speech made by a right hon . friend of mine in the county of Buckingham the-other day . But let us take the duty , of os . on the importation of foreign corn—that is , a duty of 43 . in addition to the one which is at present imposed . Sow , supposing the utmost possible extent of tbe augmentation of price in consequence of that increase of duty of 4 s ., to be Is . 6 d . or 2 s . a quarter , will any man toll me th < t the question whether a duty of that amount would or not he imposed some six nr eight months hence could have was much more important , the intfinHnna Af « ,, i ; .. mOnt
the effect o f introducing the smallest amount of uncertainty as affecting the re l ations between landlord and tenant with regard to the permanent cultivation of the land ? But , my lords , this is a question ( and herein I agree with the noble baron ) which ought not to be allowed to remain any longer in abeyance than possible . ( Cheers from both Bides of the house . ) But as to tbe question of uncertainty , —why , my lords , there is a large party in the country , well known , who have declared , in the most emphatic terms , that not till next election shall that uncertainty be removed ; that by the next election the question must be definitely settled ; and to that election , therefore , they on their own part , confident in the strength of their own came , will be ready to appeal , and to submit if the sense of the country should be pronounced against
them . But whether a change of government had taken place , or a change of government had not taken place , till the next election that uncertainty could not have been remored . Till the next election it must have equally remained unsolved ; hut with this difference , that ia consequence of a change of the government the period of uncertainty will be diminished , and a dissolution of Parliament , which might he postponed by a period of two years , in consequence of that change , ought and must takeplaee within a period of six or eight months from the time I am now speakine . " His lordship then proceeded to show that the late government had not fallen by any factious opposition from him or his party . They fell from their own internal weakness—by their confessed and notorious inability to conduct the business of the country ; they fell by the
absence of their friends ; they fell by their having quarrelled with thftir colleagues ; they fell by their inability to mu-ter in the House of Commons 130 gentlemen to support them in a cause which they declared to be vital to their existence . When that hostile division took place Lord J . Russell announced that a dissolution would ne inexpedient . Inexpedient to whom 1 Himself and colleagues , or the country ? If the latter , would it not be equally i . expedient now ? The noble Lord then very adroitly put the iu quoque argument by referring to what took placo when Lord J . Eussell succeeded Sir R . Peel , in 1846 . On tbat occasion Lord John Russell was taunted by one of those who are now supporting him— "I mean the hon . member for Finsbury ( Mr . T . S . Duncomhe ) . The noble lord was called on by the hon . member for Finsbury to state the principles
on which he intended to construct his government , and the course he intended to pursue with respect to particular and important measures . To the attention of the noble lord I would commend the very detailed and elaborate answer made by lord John Russell , standing in the position he then occupied as First Minister of the Crown . He denied tho right of Parliament to put such questions—( hear , hear)—he denied that it was the duty of the government to answer such questions —( hear)—he declared that to Euch questions he would give' no answer whatever ; he declined to pledge himself to a particular course in regard to most important measures , particularly in regard to Parliamentary reform , and in regard to dealing with tbe church of Ireland . But he went further , and in regard to dealing with the church of Ireland , he \ wed these
temarkable expressions , * I don ' t say I am satisfied with the existing state of things . I may desire to reduce the revenues of the Protestant church in Ireland . I may desire to endow the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland . I retain my opinion . But the people of England entertain a different opinion . I shall be guided in my course by the recorded opinion of tbe peoplo of England '—( loudcheers)— 'and I will not . pledge myself as to the course which now , hereafter , or at any time , I shall take on that most important and vital question , the maintenance of the integrity of the Protestant and the endowment of the Catholic Church . ' ( Cheers . ) Those were the doctrines of Lord J . Russell in 1816 . Those were the doctrines in which the Opposition of that day acquiesced , and cheerfully and willingly acquiesced . Those were the
principles on which , without let or hindrance , the government of Lord J . Russell , which had taken power in the middle of the session , were allowed to carry on the government without vexatious interruption . My lords , I ask no more . ( Loud cheers . ) I aEk for justice , not to me or to my colleagues , but to the great interests of our common country . ( Cheers . ) I ask not to be interrupted in making the usual financial arrangements . I ask not . to be interrupted in placing this country in a fit state of organisation and defence in the event of foreign invasion , ( Cheers . ) ask you not to interrupt the course of all public and private business . I ask you not to interfere with those useful reforms which have been chalked out by recommendations given , no doubt , under a former government , but on which the heart and mind of the people are set . " With
respect to the alleged alarm and uncertainty , tbe noble lord asked : — " But there is anxiety , it is said—there is alarm , and there is uncertainty . Where are tVe indications of anxiety , alarm , and uncertainty ? The public mind seems to me peaeeablo and content . Is there a more accurate barometer of public feeling than the public funds ? Tet , will the noble lord point out a sinsle moment during the whole time the late government was in office when the funds were so high , were so steady , and had a more decided tendency to advance than they have at this moment , in which , according to the noble baron , tbe whole country is in a state of suspense and excitement ? " ( Cheers . ) With respect to the Corn Laws , the navigation laws , and other changes , h » did not desire a reversal , though he thought these changes were carried to an unnecessary
dangerous extent . " I don't ( said the noWe lord ) de-6 ire to go back to the law of 1846 with respect to corn . I don ' t desire to so hack to the law of 1842 . But the cise is one which I . would desire you and the country calmly to consider , not by means of local agitation , which I should be the last man to desire to stimulate , such as might be raised by those who make more noise than they possess influence , who bring down a large amount of subscriptions on paper , who have had . and perhaps may still exercise , a dangerous influence in the community , and who may perhaps for a time succeed in . locally creating agitation and alarm ; but it is a question to be considered deliberately and calmly , whether you will apply , yourselves not to the revwfal of your system , but to certain modifications of your system , to such modifications as shall mitigate the
blow inflicted on a class of tbe community and alleviate the injustice from which , you confess they have suffered . ( Hear , hear . ) That might be done by a moderate duty . But I think that a proposition which no Minister ought to bring forward and submit to Parliament unless he is clear , not only of a bare majority , but of a very general concurrence of opinion throughout the country . I say that it is only one portion of a great question . I say it is the duty of Ministers who feel and think with me to advise carefully , calmly , deliberately , such measures as they shall think best calculated for alleviating the injustice and mitigating the distress which may have been inflictei by the repeal of the corn laws . In taking into consideration the course they ought to pursue , they are bound , not , as the noble lord suggested , to fling down some months before a definite
fixed proposition , which for five or six months to come should be made the subject of controversy and agitation , but , commending those suffering interests , not to the care of agitators and demagogues , but to the calm , deliberate sense of the country , the question would be , having ascertained that calm and deliberate sense of the country , how to take those measures which , though not in their own judgment abstractedly the most desirable , they may yet carry into effect with the general approbation , ami in aocordance with the opinion of parliament , and without rousing angry feelings among other claseeB of tht community . " ( Hear , hear . ) The noble lord then commented with much severity on tbe meeting of Liberal members at Chesbam-placeand the factious position assumed by Lord J . Russell at " a convention" whioh bid fair for
making it a rival to the Lichfield House compact . " But eTen there they were not agreed . The noble lord , hardly a week out of office—the noble lord , the author of the Reform Bill—the noble lord who , by the aBsent of his colleagues , had brought in a measuie for the purpose of settling the representation—that noble lord was called on by his supporters and agreed to amend that nugatory and absurd bill whwh he had submitted to parliament ; and it was related that the noble lord had no hesitation in stating that , if he were called on to form another government , it would be Te 7 different and on a much wider basis than tbat with which he bad been connected . ( Cheers . ) There is the position , then , in which her Majesty ' s present and late governments stand . The head of the late government , unable to maintain his place , yet thinks it not unworthy of his hieh and
character station to associate with those who during the course of his government strenuously opposed him , for the purpose of rendering the difficulties of those who havo ^^ l i ° / ely "fPwaWe ' i and if those reports aratob 0 Mhedon , it would appear that he had said his next Administration should not be a Whig Administration , but one on a much * ider basis . I shall go then to the country when it is consistent with my duty to my Sovereign and «« y . conntry . » t I should go there , not on a question of tha kind suggested That question I shall leave to the deliberate judgment of the public . I shall leave it to the general concurrence of the country , without which I shall not bring forward that proposition . ( Loud and renewed cheering . ) I say I will not flinch from performing my duty without fear , if the sense of the people and of the parliament shall be with me and shall support me in a measure which I believe would be useful for the country . But I will not overstam the influence -
which belongs to a government , I will not abuse the high position in which my Sovereign has placed me ; and I will not by a bare majority force on the country a measure against which a great proportion of the country has expressed an opinion . ( Cheers . ) There may be men who may object to thisspecile measure , who are yet prepared to pro . in supporting the great interests of the country , and in affording relief to those classes that are suffering ; and it mi ght be possible to render available in other respects ( as we understood ) the assistance and support of those who , united on general principles , diffewd as to the specific mode of affording relief to suflwing interests , and were unable to give us assUanee in carrying that particular question . So , there ft another question . We are threatened with far more seriOU . 8 difficulties than opposition to the imposition of a 5 s . or 6 s . or 7 b . duty . Itis a question whether the government of his country can be earned on , and on whai f rinoiples and
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through what medium ; and when I appeal to the Mimf » I should do so on this ground-Will you , who ffiM ° S . l l 2 all the interests of the country place your confid ence « nd giv . your rsupport to a govornment which , tn tho hour nf pen ) , did not hesitate to take the post of danger whin tho helmiinan had left tho helm ? ( Loud cheers ? Will you support a government which 13 against ho < n attaoks , which would maintain the peace of tho wnrlri which would uphold the Protestant in stitutions of tnl country-whicb would give strength and inoreaged nower to religious and moral education throughout the land—am ! which would exert itself moreover , I will not hesitate to lay , to oppose some barrier against the current that 11 i eon tinually encroaching of democratic influence , which wmilri throw power nominally into the hands of the massed wi « T tically into those of the demagogues who lead them » ' Will you resist a government whioh desires to onnn ' co th * m ,- « ,,,,, ^ u . t , _ ,.. _ .. _
noxious and dangerous influence , and to maintain the nvT rogatives of the crown the rights of your lordshi ps' hoSS " and the privileges of the other freely elected and faiilv rP ' presented house of parliament ? These are the princiDl « on which I shall make my appeal on behalf of myself and of my colleagues ; and in words which are placed in tl ™ mouths of the meanest felons in the dock , and whioh . 11 not unworthy the lips of the First Minister of tho crown I elect that we shall be tried b y God and our country ' » ( Great cheoring . ) ' Earl Grey made a long and angry reply , whioh contained no new point of any public interest ; the Enrl nf Ahinger spoke on the Protectionist side—tho Martinis nf Clanricarde on the Free Trade ; the Earl of Harrowhv wished that Lord Derby had been more explicit and affcpr speeohes in support of the Free Trade policy from Lord Wodehonse , and in defence of the position taken up bv thn ministry from the Earl of Fowl ' s , the house adjourned \ tl quarter to nine o ' clock . J a at a
nuusa ur uuiviMuaa . —ineproceedingsin this house which was unusually crowded , were commenced by a host of questions to the new ministers , which , having been answered , the debate of the night was commenced by Mr . Villiers , on tho motion that the speaker leave the chair for tho house to go into Committee of Supply The honourable member eought to obtain from the Chancellor of the Exchequer a distinct and candid avowal of their intentions with regard to Free Trade . He urged the stagnntion in trade , and the many injurious consequences to all the great interests of the country , which must result from uncertainty in so vital a matter . Seeing how the members of the present government had distinguished themfelves for their adherence to protection , and their declarations out of office that they would use their power , should they sueceed in forming a government , in reversing tho Free Trade
poiioy , the country had a right to have an explicit declaration of their intentions , ne contrasted the state of thin-a under Free Trade with what they had been under protection . When was there a time when trade had been bo active , when the application of capital was more abundant , the people more generall y employed or better fed-when the poor who . from accident or sickness , were obliged to enter the hospitals or unions , were in a better physical condition , or even when agriculture had progressed with more rap . d strides , and land found more purchasers than since the establishment of Free Trade ? Our shipping trade was improving , the complaints from our WesHndia Colonies were decreasing , and there was every rea 5 on tobeliovo that these and all other
our colonies were fiwt growinff into prosperity under the more liberal policy we had recentR adopted . Such had been tbe state of affairs at tho commencement of the present year . What was it now » ConlZ' £ t S } P ' fe to uncertainty . andanxiety ; " orders were withheld , and trade was suspended under theI apprehension of an impending change . Even forei gn merchants looked on the change of ministry here as an intimation of a change of our commercial policy , Tho state of Europe , m regard to ita political liberties , should be a warnin / to tbe people of Eng and how they allowed any interference in a « C 0 m , mor c . t llb ? rties they had so recentl y achieved . After adverting to the rumou * that a 53 . nxG < i ' daty wag t 0 ' be proposed , he put the question distinctly to the
Clianceuorot the exchequer whether ministers intended to propose an import duty on foreign corn , calling upon him to give such explanations as to the ministerial principles of commercial nnd fiscal legislation as would place their views fairly and fully before the country . Mr . Disraeli , on making his debut as Chancellor of the Exchequer , was of course warmly cheered by his friends Ho commenced by ridiculing the statements of Mr Villiers as to the state of public feeling and the condition- of the people in March as contrasted with what both were in January . It is , says the honourable member , aoondition of distrust , apprehension , anxiety * and uncertainty . Warming with his subject , tho honourable gentleman soon found out that the feeling of distrust amounted even to a state of paralysis . (• near , ' and laughter . ) I must confess I
listened to this announcement with some apprehension but more surprise . ( Hear , hear . ) No information has yet renehod me tendinp to show that the condition of the peoplo or the state of public feeling at all corresponds with the description given by the honourable member , ( Hear , hear . ) I do not find in the commercial transactions of this country anj of those symptoms which the honourable member dilated on as a consequence of the change of Administration . I , necessarily , have communications with many persons of great eminence in the commercial world —men who are the highest authorities in matters of tr . ido and finance . They are persons familiar with scenes of the mostafttive commercial life , and neither from their words nor countenances could I have inferred that tho country was in a state of paralysis , or that even feelings of distrust
apprehension , and anxiety were influencing those whose interests they represented . On the contrary , the inference I draw from the representations of these gentlemen is , that the people are in a state of contentment and prosperity . ( Hear , hear . ) I can find no confirmation of the honourable ' gentleman ' s gloomy views in the present price of the public securities . ( Cheers . ) That barometer of public opinion certainly gives no indication of distrust and anxiety . Every circumstance to which I direct my attention impresses mo with the conviction that the public mind at the present moment is in a state of peculiar tranquillity . Mr . Villiers said the government were bound to carry out tho policy in power they advocated out of office , and he was prepared , to the best of his ability , to do so . But it would not be upon any sinele
measure that policy would be tried , ne would not narrow the question to that issue , but without reserve state fairly and frankly what were the feelings of the government . " He then gave a rapid review of the circumstances under which the government had acceded to office , which constituted , in his opinion , an essential element of the question . With regard to the challenge of the hon . gentleman , it wag impossible for him fully to respond to it . He reminded the house of Lori Derby ' s declaration that the controversy between Free Trade and Protection must be finally settled by a new parliament , and to his own statement that after the decision the present House of Commons had come to by so large a majority against Protection , he should not again at . tempt to influence them , but should confine his efforts to mitigate the consequences of Free Trade on the landed
interest . This was the policy declared bj the present ministry when in opposition , and why should they be called upon now to do that which they bad declared it was not their intention to do in the present parliament ? Had they come into office on the declaration of distinct principles the case would hare been different , but it would be most unreasonable , taking office in the way they had , that they should be called upon to propose that which they had no hope of carrying in the present parliament , or to say what distiuct measures they might think it neceisary to introduce in another parliament . So far , howaver , from the change of government contributing to uncertainty » nd distrust , he thought it ought to have a contrary effect , inasmuch as it would facilitate the early settlement of the question . "But we are not pledged to anv measure .
Laughter from the Opposition benches , and Ministerial cheers . ) I think it would be entirely out of character to say , that in anew parliament we should be bound to bring in a certain specific , in order to redress those grievances or to . propose the measure indicated by the hon . and learned gentleman—a five-shilling fixed duty . ( Ilear , hear ;) I am not at all clear * sharing as I do tho opinion of the hon . and learned gentleman as to the little effect which it has in raising prices that that is a measure which is by any means one I may think it our duty to recommend . ( Hear , hear . ) But I say frankly to tho hon . and learned gentleman , that in considering tho fiscal arrangements of this country , I do not—I will not—to gain any popularity or to avoid any blustering , ' give ifc ' as my opinion that a duty such as he describes is one which any _ »« n l a ^ *• V ¦• ¦*¦¦ T Minister under circumstances
any ougbt to propose . ( Hear hear , and a laugh . ) I think the hon . and learned gentlenan and his friends have so far succeeded by their agitation—not their present agitation , whioh I believe to be very harmless , but by former agitation—to invest the proposition with such an amount of prejudice that , though- 1 may consider such a proposition a good one , I may not think it expedient to adopt it . ( Hear , hear . ) I know , there is a great desire on the part of gentlemen opposite that there should be a proposition for a fixed duty . ( Hear , and laughter . ) I regret , for their sakes , that I cannot give a promise to make any proposition of the kind . What I intend to do , with tbe assistance and consent of my colleagues , is to redress the grievances of the agricultural interests ; and we reserve to ouraelyea the right of considering
what may be the best means by which that great object can be attained . ( Hear , hear . ) I think that , in consequence of the prejudice with whioh the proposition for a fixed duty on wheat—such , for example , as the hon . and learned gentleman has referred to—has been invested , it would be very unwise for any Minister to make it before tho verdict of tha country has been pronounced with regard to it , ( Hear . ) That verdict will in all probability be speedily given . That question will then be decided . But the question of a redress of the just grievances of any interest in this country will not be settled by a verdict off that nature . ( Hear , hear . ) That is a great subject , and it is for the government to consider those measures whioh they conscientiously believe will best attain the object they frankly announoe it is their intention to accomplish . ( Hear , hear . )
I hope I have answered the inquiry of the hon . and learned gentleman . ( 'No , no , ' and laughter from the Opposition Benches . ) , He did not understand hon . members .. He had assumed that the hon . and learned gentleman would wish to know the feeling of the Ministry on . the question of a moderate fixed duty , and if we , either in this or the next Parliament meant to propose it . I was not bound , if I had adhered strictly to the tenour of the , inquiry , to . state . the facts I did , but I answered that . I told the hon . and learned gentleman that neither in this nor the next Parliament did her Majesty ' s Ministers consider themselves bound to make any such proposition whatever . Have I not frankly answered the question ? ( Cheers , and counter cheerB . ) I am totally at a loss then to understand the derisive cheer oppo-Bite ; but I can only explain it in this manner , that I do not think my answer to the inquiry was ao agreeable aa
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hon . gentlemen opposite would have liked it to be . ( A launh . ) I am awave that the government is placed in some difficulties , but they are difficulties which , as wo did not soolc them , so wo will not shrink from them . ( Cheers . ) 1 nmtold , though 1 know not on what authority , tint thtro has been , on tho part of the now government , an ad misericordiam appeal to the House of Commons . 1 am not aware of it . I have not sanctioned it . I have not made it , nor have any of my colleagues . Let tho blow be where or how , we shall do our best to encounter it . What we nsk is , not fair play for tho government , but fair play for the country . ( Cheers . ) It is our intention to carry on the affairs of the country , notwithstanding the difficulties which we acknowledge to exist , to the best of our ability . Tho measures which it was proposed to proceed with before
the dissolution , besides those-of public exigency , as the Mutiny Bill nnri supplies , were—first , a bill to disfranchise St . Albans , and to apportion the four vacant seats which would bo thus occasioned , it beinjr considered that the number of members should be complete before going to the country ; secondly , a bill for Chancery Reform , based on tho report of the commissioners ; and thirdly , ho should move on the earliest possible day a measure to provide for the internal defence of tho country . " Having thus stated what the Ministr y intended doing , he retorted on the Opposition , and asked on what principles they intended acting : — " Surely I am entitled to inquire what are the principles on which this new Opposition is fovmed—( hear , hear )—an Opposition which the noble lord has constructed under the inspiration and with the aid and assistance of
tho rig ht hon . gentleman the member for Ripon —( cheers ) —and the hon . gentleman the member for the West Riding . ( Cheers . ) Such unbounded confidence exists between three 8 uoh eminent men—I wish to know on what principle this new Opposition is founded—this new Opposition hearted by a noble lord acknowledged by all of us to be an able and fitting lender , with such experienced vicelieutenants as the right hon . gentleman the member for Ripon , and the right hon . gentleman the ' member for tho West Riding . ( Hear . ) What ) I . icrain ask , is the principle on which the now opposition is founded ? Is it the principle of Papal supremaoy or Protestant ascendancy ? ( Cheers . ) Is it the principle of national defences or of perpetual peace ? ( Cheers and laughter . ) Is it the principle of Household Suffrage or of the electoral groups ? ( Lausrhter . ) Is it the opinion of the new Opposition , alonjj with the hon . member for tho West Riding , that Free Trade is a panacea for all the evils of States ? Or is it the opinion of the new Opposition , in deference to the noble lord the member for London ,
that Free Trade is a great exaggeration ? ( Cheers . ) These are questions I think it legitimate to ask , and I think they ought to be as frankly answered as the question which has been addressed to her Majesty ' s ministers . ( Hear , hoar . ) I know that the prospects we as a ministry may have in the present parliament very much depend on our knowlego of those who are our opponents . Considering the circumstances under which we acceded 10 office , I certainly did not expect within a fortnig ht of his resignation to find in the prime mover of difficulties against the government the noble lord the member for London . ( Hear , hear . ) But , great as may be the obstacles we may have to encounter , I confess for myself I do not despair . I have confidence in the ' good sense and good temper even of tbe existing parliament . If I have miscalculated those qualities , I shall still hold my trust in the sympathy and support of the country —( hear , hear)—convinced that it will support the prosent government in their attempt to do their duty to thoiv Sovereign , and in their resolution to baffle the manoeuvres of faction . ( Loud cheers . )
Lord J . RussklI / , in responding to this appeal , felt bound , in the first place , to deny tho statement that the present government had taken office , not at their own wish , but because , if they had not , the Queen would have been left without a government , as being wholly inconsistent with the unscrupulous manner in which they had on all occasions endeavoured to place the late ministry in a minority . After voting with Mr . nume on the income tax , though disagreeing with him in his object—after attacking Lord Clarendon with poisoned arrows , then placing a vote of want of confidence on the paper and voting against ministers on Lord Palmerston ' s motion , it was rather too much to say that office had come upon them by surprise . He ( Lord J . Russell ) had felt that such was the nature of that opposition tbat if he were not driven out of office he
should be worried out of office . It was not an unprecedented thing for a ministry to take office while in a minority , but the constitutional course in such a case wns to call a new parliament at once . The proposition of the present ministers , however , was not to dissolve , and endeavour to place themselves in a majority , but to carry on the whole business of tho country whiie in a minority . Upon the great questions of what was to be tho prioe of the people ' s food , whether a tax was to be reimposed , of which five-sixths went to tho land and only one-sixth to the Exchequer , and what was to be the colonial policy of tho government , they were to be left in the dark till next February . ' The object appeared to him to bo to keep office until the register was looked at , and then to go to the country as oircumstanoes might make most convenient , either as Protectionists or Freo Traders . This was not
constitutional government . He defended the lute government fer not dissolving , on the ground that they would have been using the perogative of the crown to keep them-Belves in power . The system of Free Trade based on the principles of political economy , and proved by experience , had contributed not only to the improvement of the people , but had brought a large surplus to the Exchrqucr ; and was it reasonable or constitutional that a eovernment , having declared themselves opposed to a Free Trade policy , should be allowed to leave the question in abeyance , whether or not that policy should be continued—whether or not suoh surplus should be devoted to the carrying out of that policy to its fullest extent , or in reversing it . On this and other great questions Mr . Disraeli , with the word " frankness" upon his lips , had given no pxplsinntion whatever . Such a delusion , he remarked , had never before been practised upon a people .
Mr . Herribs charged the noble lord and his friends with carrying on a factious opposition . Ho denied the advantages said to have resulted from Free Trade , and quoted a variety of statistics to show that the recent change in our navigation laws had been to throw much Of tho carrying trade into the hands of foreigners . Sir J . Graham rose , he said , inconsequence of the challenge of Mr . Disraeli to state the grounds of the opposition he was assumed . to be about to offer to Her Majesty ' s government , and he would explain the view he took of the present crisis of public affairs . He was not about to offer any factious opposition to the government ; but the question now at issue , he considered , affeoted the happiness and well being of every individual in the community . It was not a question of a 5 s . or a . 7 s , duty upon corn , but whether
the whole of a commercial policy should bo reversed , the result of which had . far exceeded the most sanguine expectations of its authors ., He . had no doubt whatever as to tho policy intended by the present government—namely , to dissolve parliament , for the purpose of imposing a duty . upon imports , and among them a duty upon corn . In order to prove this , he reada series of avowals made by Lord Derby , that a reversal of the free-trade policy was indispensable His . lordship ' s explicit declaration to this effect had prevented Mr . Gladstone last year , and Lord Pulmerston lately , from becoming his colleagues in tho government . The Chancellor * of the Exchequer had disclaimed any appeal ad miserkordiam ; but the Earl of Derby had expressly said he knew he was in a minority in that house , and that he relied upon its forbearance ; and he ( Siv James ) denied that any
instance could be found in parliamentary history of such an admissionandsuchan appeal , which , he contended , were at varianco with our representative system . Addressing himself , then , to the allegation that agricultural . property had diminished , he denied its accuracy , which was inconsistent with the facts , that , while the surface of arable land had not decreased , large sums . had heen expended in draining and manure , and thafc 355 , 000 acres of waste land had been enclosed in England alone . Meanwhile taxes had been remitted to the amount of £ i , 200 , 000 , and yet the receipts into the Exchequer had increased b y £ 4 , 800 , 000 . Sir James stated various facts in corroboration of his assertion that our late commercial policy had been eminently successful , and warned the house , in earnest and solemn terms , of ( he consequences of
reversing that policy , the maintenance of which was the single object ha had in view in joining the Opposition . " I have heard it stated that tui 3 government , whose policy is stated not in details ^ but gen erally , to be a protective system , are hontupon introducing a system which the head of the government in the other house described as conducive to ' peace on earth and good will . towards men . ' ( Hear , hear . ) Solemn and awful words ! ( Hear . ) Holy words . ( Hear . ) Words of the harbingers of glad tidings and of heavenly messengers , who came , with healing on their wing 3 , on their message of mercy to mankind . Sir , can it be truly stated that this policy was ever of that description which could be said to bring peace on earth and goodwil towards men ? I pass by tho watchword of' Up , Guards , and at them . ' ( A laugh . ) But I say I am
satisfied that if this policy is adopted it is-not peace that it will bring , but illfeeling , discontent , and suoh animosities between class and class as you do not expect , and the consequences of which I cannot foresee . ( Cheers . ) -The other day the Secretary at War -was re-elected for ; North Essex . He described the great advantages of a tax on COrn , when a voice from the crowd called out ' Cheap bread . ' Wbat was the reception given to th at man ? The candidate said he was' not an elector of North Essex , but ( tee of the crowd ofBraintree . He appealed not to men from the factories of Braintree , but to men who had votes in the county . ' ( Ilear , hear . ) I do not fear the ultimate reversal of Free rrade in the country , whatever the state of . its represent * , tion may be , but if its representatives say that they will disreg ard the opinion ^ the rabble on th e question of cheap bread , I very much fear the result . " ( Hear . ) Sir James concluded with an anecdote and a pledge . " But I check my . ardour . I : remember the last conversation which I
ever had with Sir- R . Peel . It was upon the eve ef that great discussion upon our foreign policy in which he and . I found it our painful duty to vote against a government wbioh upon other accounts and , moro espeoiallyiupon theaocount of their support of a Free Trade . policy , we-had usually assisted .. It was impoBBible not to look to the consequences ot that , vote , and I pointed out to Sir R . Peel the . possibUity that the government would be overthrown , and . asked . him wbat would < then ensue ? He . said , « : l know , that in . th ' is country ,. without party connexions , no man can govern . I know that ray party ties are dissolved , and I am not prepaved to . renew : them , and . do' riot desire " : to- renew them . - But , come what . .. may ,, ; , there , is :: . no effort that I will not make to maintain -that Free Trade policy , which I beheveitotoe indispensable for the maintenance of peaee and happ ines ^ in ^ thi ^ eountry . ' . ( Loud cheers . 1 Sir , I do not possess the abilities of my right bon . friend , but I possess his determination , and , like him , there is no efiort I will not be prepared to make , and no sacrifice 1 wm not be prepared to undergo to uphold that policy ;
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which , in my heart und conscience , I bdiovo to lie necess .--. vy for tho peace , tho happiness , and Iho well being of my i-ilow couDtrymen . " ( The right hon . baronet resumed W \ a sent hi on the front Opposition bench amid loud and piolongodo'icerinsr . ) Mr . Walpole ( the new Homo Secretary ) replied in nu ablo and concilintory speech . The government did not ttK-ai \ torovcvrc U . o Free Trade Policy , but they thought it should bo so .-iltcied and modified aa not to press unjustly upon any one class . Lord Derby had said that if tho welloxprossea opinion of tho people of this country was against a duty upon articles of food , partly for protection and partly ior i- Bvenue , he wcnhi nob moot the question again , Lord J . uuBHull | , ad , iCCMSC ( j lnera of t . 'iking an unconstitutional PminVr T tIic y were taking the only course th « y ,. _„ . ti !( i , e » ndw the circumstances , and ' a courso justified lhlD
re \« on < Z ' Tho * hadbeen brought into power for two buMne ^ tT " the noble lord could not carry on tho c \ u 0 tLr , l ? ° " ntry ilcco - liit 1 - " t » "is own views , and befovW the ^ p'V'r' ^ ' ^ i'any sufficiently strong , or mno we ! Tl , Pnn ° , of l h » h ° « se . to take the rein , of ^ ? wKBtt ^^ dlfa - ttta "J « . tJH » ero » nw OT iUb .. dTlsed to ^ toX XSS To on am that aewaneo was the main duty incumt . nt upou the house , which should not allow , subiects net of pressing necessity to be dealt with by agovernment in a minority . With respect to the other point , it waa <¦•« £ there was no Intention to reverse the policy of Free Trn ' iie only to alter and modify it ; but he was opposed to the modiSeation as well as to the reversal of that nnlicv 3 y
he desired to bring the question to a prompt and final iii > oU sion , if not in this parliament , in . 1 few months in anther . On the whole , he was disposed to press one moderate and just demand upon the government , that the businoss of the country should be expedited with all possible despatch , and that the crown should then be advised to appeal to the sense of the peoplo . Mr . B . Cochdank condemned the factious opposition ottered to the new government . Lord Palmers tok gave a piumM , snnnm . * *« * i . » twi >» , taoinct . ue thought the bouse should show forbcavjuice to ministers to enable them to carry on tho business ^ 7 hich must be gone through before a dissolution , but that done it was the duty of the government to take the sense of the country on the threat questions which it was understood they intended to submit , and then to call parliament toge-Li ¥ the earli " possible moment , H « had no doubt t fwt the verdict of the country , when taKen , would be for the maintenance of Freo Trade
Mr - 6- Berkeley , Sir J . Tvrrell , Mr . Xewdegates and Mr . Booker , spoke on the Protectionist , Mr . M . Gibson , Mr . Oswald , and Sir A . Cockburn , on the Free Trade side , urging a speedy dissolution . Mr . Villiers wound up tho debate , and tho House went into committee of supply on the navy estimates , and after somo opposition from Mr . nume on account of tho lateness of the hour , 39 , 000 men for tho service of the navy were voted , and £ 1 , 409 , 054 ¦ were voted for wages ; and the house adjourned at one 0 clock .
TUESDAY , March 1 G . nOUSE OF LOBDS-On the motion of Lord Brougham the County Courts Extension Bill was read a third time and passed . Irish Natiosal Schools . —A lengthened conversation onthis subject originated in a question put by the Marquis of Chnricarde to the government , whether it was their u > tonUon to propose any alteration in the present application ot public money to educational purposes in Ireland . Ho expressed his conviction that any amelioration in tho condition of ireiaud must be based , in the first instance , on tbe diffusion of education in that country . The present system worked well , ho helieved ; it had been prepared
with great care and deliberation , after long consultation with the hier arehy of tho country , and since its first establishment its sphere of operation had continued on the increase , and there were at present 4 , 000 schools , with 562 , 000 children receiving instruction under it . He would take it upon himself to say that the education given could not bo equalled in any ciivilized country , and he therefore read with much pain a speech lately delivered by the present Attorney-General for Ireland , casting blame upon the system , and indicating an intention on the part of Government to do away with it . Ho should be glad to hear from the noble earl , who had himself been the ovgan of introducing that system of education into Ireland , that no such intention was enteitained by him .
The Earl of Derby said , that no person could take a deeper interest in these schools than himself . Ho had watched their progress with great anxiely , and had reason to be highly satisfied with their general results ; but there ¦ were defects that required amendment . Lord Clarendon himself had thought tho subject a fit one for a parliamentary committee . He thought ifc would be well if such committee would take into consideration how far the system as it at present existed was a practicable and combined Bystem , and how far it was possible to introduce a system in Ireland which would take from it the charge of excluaiveness , and extend to all classes the benefits of education ; and , considering how few the points were in which
Protestants and Cntholios were diaagreed . J . o inquire hgwjar the system could be made to work in harmony " iiiTits details ami how far the Presbyterian schools , acting on the princip les recommended by the board , could bo induced to agree in that system ; and how far in the south and west of Ireland , where the great bulk of the population wero Koman Catholic , and whore the majority of the schools wero Roman Catholic under Roman Catholic priests and Roman Catholio schoolmasters ( of which he did not oomplain ) could be induced to enter into a well considered system of combined and practical education . Such an inquiry would not be derogatory to the system , and would remove much misapprehension .
Tho Marquis of Lansdowne approved of the suggestion of the _ noble earl , as to the appointment of a parliamentary committee : but trusted that no mnterial disturbance of a system which had been found to work so well , would result from its labours . Lord Desart wished that Protestants and Catholics had taken more interest iu the success of the system , Lord Rodes hoped that if any change were adopted in the system , it would be such aB to encourage sound Protestant principles , and trusted that the government now in offico would go to the country on such principles as would best promote civil and religious liberty . Lords Monteagle , Donoughmore , Clanricarde , and De Ros , having addressed the house , the subject dropped , and their lorriships then adjourned . HOUSE OF COMMONS . —Vote bt BAixoT .-Mr . H . Berkeley gave notice , that on the 30 th inst ., he should move for leave to bring in a bill to make Toto by Ballot the law of the land .
PARiiAMENTAUt Reform . —M . L , Kiko gave notice , that this day fortnight , ho should move for leave to bring in a bill to assimilate the franchise and procedure at elections for counties in England to those in horoughs , namely , to make the right of voting a £ 10 rental , and to limit the polling to one day , Renewed complaints of the exceedinlgy defective ventilation of tbe house were made by Lord Grosvknor and other members . The noble lord said - . —Last night , when the house was full , he had consulted tho gentlemen sitting around him , regarding the ventilation , and they had fouaa ifc exactly the same as ho had . They had all declared that
they felt a sort of burning all round the head , a swelling of the temples which induced with some species of nervous fever , and with others a sort of apopletio sleep . ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) Hon . gentlemen might laugh , but this was a very serious matter . He had tried for relief ia every part of the house—in one gallery there was a cold breeze which gradually increased to a gale of wind—in the other there was a stench and impurity of atmosphere which were quite intolerable . If members went on long , coming to the house every day , and sitting for several hours there , the result would be very serious injury to their health and incapacity to perform their duties . ( Hear , hear . )
Health : op thb Metropolis . —In answer to questions from Mr . T . S . Duncombe , the Home Secretary stated , that the subject of an improved water supply to tho metropolis was under the consideration of the government ; as , likewise , the best means of carrying out extramural interment ; but , how far such measures could be carried out this session , would depend on the duration of Parliament , and the means at the disposal of government . Tue Crystal Palace . —In reply to a question from the same hon . gentleman Lord J . Manners said the government would not interfere with the arrangement which would necessitate the removal of the Crystal Palace on tho 1 st of May . Frauds on Public Offices . —Mr . 6 . Thompson moved for a select committee to inquire into certain frauds said to be perpetrated in the delivery of coals in the publiQ offices and dookyards .
Mr . Hume seconded the motion . Mr . Stafford could not agree to the appointment of tho committee , as he conceived it would lead to no useful re * suit . ' .. ¦ ¦ . ' The gallery was cleared for a division , but none toot place , Mr . Thompson having withdrawn his motion . . Post-office Labels . —Mr . Muntb moved for a committee to inquire into the alleged injustice done to Mr . Archer , the inventor of the . perforated labels , by the Post-office , but ultimately consented to withdraw his motion for a moro comprehensive one , moved by Mr . Grogan , which was agreed to—namely , the appointment of a select committee to inquire and report upon tho prosont modo of . engraving , printing , and gumming the postage . label and . stamps j r . nd likewise whether and how the perforating machine invented """ ~ m ~* **• " mwv ** wa | 4 || U Ill / It V * 4 W'IJ ^»* W * »* - "o « « J with
by Mr . Archer could be applied to thosarao advantage to the public . , , .. Scotch Railways , —Mr . J . Stuart moved a resolution , calling on the government to make a grant of money for the construction of n railway from Oban , m . Argyleslure , to Glasgow ,, and he justified , his application on the ground that the railway , would promote the well-being of the people of the . Western Highlands and Isles of Scotland ; that the outlay would be repaid , a ^ Jtf »!* arjoX being the case , it was their duty to come foMjffd ^ anjjf ftake the required advance .. He would not , ® W « & * alKor , - -&e grant until thegovernment had satiaheo jp ^^ lve& ^ KruV'eces Bity to . carry out the railway ^ ajHIVflbatafe . comractiOB would repay the government ^? fQ- ^ jh & Y& / V Mr . Ma cobbqor aupportedtee fco $ k » K £ ; i . l ^ V >>^ f - ^ The CnAKCELLOR of the B&i ^ &ffiSfttot ^ ttat DO case had been made out ^ 6 r . ^| rj « i ^ VaiOBd recommended the mover to mlfn W- ^ SwESla ^ i Public Workswho would iftvftft £ iTa 11
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