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Ireland—that land of sorrow , misfortune , crime , and suffering—steanpy enough , has last given another illustration of the immense foments of awell-organised andindnstral 8 ystem , applied to the masses , for whom thecompetitive system supplies neither . ™« ™* Lead . We have long enough £ ^ "Jjjj intolerable burdens * h the support of the immense mass of Irish paupenem threw upon those who we able to S ^ ratef We are no lessjamihar with
thi scenes of wholesale destruction arising fiom hnddling together thoasnnds of emaciated , half clad , famishing wretches , into bnildings not large enongh to accommodate them , and where , as a consequence , tyhpuS swept them off by hundreds . The very magnitude and terrible nature of the evil seems , in one instance at least , to have forced those who have suffered from it , to have recourse to the onl y rational and effectual remedv . The Poor Law
Guardians of Cork , driven to desperation by the intolerable pressure of the rates , which were swallowing the means of the industrious tradesmen , and rapidly drawing all classes down into an unfathomable gulf of pauperism , threw off the fear of the Political Economists and Poor Law officials . They had tried , to the utmost , all plans of retrenchment , without tho slightest effect . The dietary had been reduced to the minimum ; the
officers * salaries cut down , with an unsparing hand , hut all in vain , As a last resonrce , they tried industrial occupation . The organ of the Free Traders and Manchester School , publishes the results . According to the elaborate account of &e " Daily J ^ ews , " it has been most successful , not only in haproving the character of the inmate 3 , but in enacting a considerable reduction in the rates .
This result was not , however , achieved all at once . It tales some time to work out a new plan in practice , and especially to find ont the right men to do it . This happened at Cork . The first master blundered , and was very unsuccessful , but the Guardians were lucky enough to find a man -who understood -what ¦ was wanted , and what is better , wholaiew how to do it . Under his inspiriting influence , idleness , "with all its concomitant evils , was
banished from the Cork-worfchonse , Healthy and cheerful occupation dispelled , like a purifying breeze , the noisome and stagnant vapours 'which hnng about it , and poisoned alike the physical and the moral health of its inmates . Order , cleanliness , industry , and cheerfulness took the place of disorder , filth , idleness , and the prison-like gloom and silence that nurtured many a vindictive and baleful passion in those ¦ wh o hardened into fiends within the hateful workhouse walls .
It is not our intention here to follow oat the details of this praiseworthy and most instructive experiment . It is merely reqnisite to say , ihat varied productive and profitable employment has been supplied all to the inmates , according to their age , sex , and capabilities . Spinning , carding , weaving—both linen and voollengoods—shoeniaMng , tailoring , carpentering , b a king , and other occupations , are all carried on in the well-arranged workshops of the Cork Union . The only drawback we see
to the p lan is , that they have not a farm to cultivate , and thereby the power of providing themselves with food . If they had , they would soon require no more assistance from the Cork ratepayers , and , in afew years , "would pay them what has been expended in ibis noble and fruitful experiment . Already it has effected an average saving of £ 4 , 500 per annum in the former rates ; while the inmates are , by their own labour , more comfortably clad , better lodged , and rendered more healthy than ever they were before .
One hopeful incident must not be lost sight of . The stnbbornness of even official political economy has relaxed under the more stubborn power of these facts , we are told that—The poor-law commissioners have come to regard tbe industrial system so favonrably , that thty have permitted ihe board to negotiate for the possession of a moderate Eize farm , wicreon to cevelope the agricultural talent of ihe rnral psmpers ; and it may De that by and oje , some , of them will come to oe tenders of prize rams and plethoric Irallocfes : though , to realize Dr . Johnson ' s notion ¦ of the condition of such bneolics , " who tend fat oxen should themselves be fat "
The social arrangements that have tbe power to convert idle , unruly , and disorderly paupers , into active , intelligent , workmen , ploughmen , delvers , and graziers , cannot stop there . Industrial organisation carries -within itself a power of multiplication , when it is seen what can be done in one place by the proper application of Labour , Land , and Capital , all of which are now worse than wasted —men will ask themselves : " Why not here also ? " The answer to that question will not harmonise with competitive political economy , hut it trill do Letter ; it will lay the foundation for the permanent and general prosperity of all classes of the communitv .
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' mm * - ^ MONIES RECEIVED FOH THB "VVZEK ESDKG ThBRSDAT , 0 CI 0 B 2 R lOlH , 1850 . TOR THE WHMG-JI ? 0 ? THE LAID GOMTABY , Received by W . Kideb . —Lake lock , near ~ aksletf , per J . Humphrey 6 s Cd—J . Yicfcers , Amble . - - ¦ arlferpa . ii < id—J . and F . frost , Ha-a-marsh , nearJ oQuZtttm is—Four paid-up Members , Burton-upen-Trei t 2 t ( id—Leicester , per H . Barrels-, from Thirteen Jlemle . -a 6 s 6 d—Camber-• well , per J . Simspon 5 s—J . Howe , Braintree 6 d— . Bradshaw , Crick , Northamptonshire Is—Messrs . Powell , Evans , 3 ) . TVflliams , J . E . Williams , T . Morgan , J . W . andB . Lewis and J . Morgan 4 s I'd . £ s . d . Eeceired bv "W . Rider .. .. 180 THE HONESTY FUND . Eeceired by \ Y . Kibes . —J . Viciers , Amble . nearMbrpc-tii Is . TRACT FUNDIteemed 1 > Y Johx Abxott . —Afew Friends to tbe Cause , laswade , per " W . FiingleTs 9 d . FOR THE HUNGARIAN AND POLISH REFUGEES . Received toy Jonx Abxoix . —Part Proceeds of a Concert , leldatthe Hock , Lisson-grove ( Emmet ' s Brigade , ) per J . Blake 16 s . THE CASE OF THOMAS JONESReceived lsy Jons Absott . —From Edinburgh , per Walter Prinze Collected at the Waterloo-rooms , after Mr . Ernest Jones ' s Lecture II 12 s Id—H . Robertson , Publisher 2 > s 6 d Hugh Conwav { late Chartist VSctiatf 2 « Gd—a . Friend Is—Mr . Wood Cd ^ Laughlan il'Gregor 6 d—Total from Edinburgh 1119 s Id . —Fallrirk , Collected after an appeal by Mr . Ernest Jones , per Stewart M'Walters U 4 s 3 d—TilliconltrT , afer an appeal by Mr . Ernest Jones , per R . fiislop II Ss-3 lami ! ton , after an appeal bvMr . Ernest Jones , per A . Walker K Os Sd—Loughborough , per J . Farrow 2 s 4 d—H . Cramp Gd—Sir . Barfs Gd— Mr . Daw Is —Mr . Thompson ca-aFriEiii ] , Drury-lane , per Mr . Crump 2 s 6 d—Proceeds of the Meeting , Temperance HalJ , Broadway 12 7 s—City Women ' s Men , per G . Grunslade 11 .
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^ i THE EOUTE < JF ME . EKXEST JOKES
Ernest Jones will be at Carlisl e , Saturday , the 32 th . Padihain , Sunday , tho 13 th . « wfctale , Monday , tlie HtH , Staleylnidge , Tuesday , the loth . Sioctport , Wednesday , the Kith . _ . „ Ernest Jones . Glasgow , ytu October . ¦¦ ¦¦ i
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TREATMENT OF POLITICAL PRISONERS . On Tuesday a public meeting was held in the Broadway , Westminster , for the purpose of hearing statements from several of the Chartists who were committed to Newgate , Tothill-fields Prison , and Horsemonger-lane Gaol , relative to the treatment they had received during their imprisonment . Mr . Hannibal presided . The Chairman , in addressing tlie meeting , referred to the occurrences which had led to tbe incarceration of numbers of their Chartist brethren , and to the agitated state of Europe , when tings were trembling on their thrones , and even the Pope of Rome found it necessary to look to his safety . The meeting of that evening had been called for tho purpose of hearing statements from those of their friends who had suffered imprisonment in their cause . Several of their friends were then present , and no doubt others would join them in the course
of the evening . Mr . Sum said that it had fallen to his lot to mave the first resolution , and , in doing so , he need scarcely say that he agreed in every word of that resolution ; and he felt certain that those he addressed wouldjoinhimin the opinion , that the working classes in this country had a right to speak their minds on matters of public moment that deeply affected their interests . The principal object of the meeting was , to ascertain what sympathy the working classes entertained towards their suffering friend Thomas Jones , who still remained a victin in prison , till he could pay to her Majesty the Queen tha sum of ten pounds , which was demanded , before he could be liberated from prison . Why Thos . Jones should he singled out for such persecution he { Mr . Sbanr ) could not tell . Jones was a shoemaker by trade , and he believed he had ever been a hardworking man . He was unfortunately one of the
victims of those spies who were ever at the beck of the tyrannical Whig government . Had the workingmen of England performed their duty he and others would not have suffered such indignities and persecution as they had been subjected to . He ( Mr . Shaw ) -was nowfree of a prison , and he bad no wish ever to return to one . His health would n 6 t enable him to address them at much length , and he would only further say that he concurred in every word of the resolution , which he moved , to the following effect : — " That this meeting being of opinion that every one has an undoubted right to freedom of speech on all questions which affect their interests , it therefore denounces those who have doomed their fellow men to dungeons and imprisonment for declaring their honest convictions , and thereby expresses its deep and heartfelt sympathy with those who have received such brotal and infamous treatment for their attachment to the cause o truth and
justice . Mr . Abxott seconded tho resolution , and said , as secretary to the Yictim Committee of the National Charter Association , it had been his duty to put himself in communication with Mr . "Wakley , M . P ., relative to the treatment the Chartist prisoners were subjected to in the Westminster House of Correction . The application was made in consequence of a statement which had been communicated to the Victim Committee by one of the prisoners , Mr . Sharp . That statement was written by Sharp in the dark , and secretly conveyed to the committee , and it described the cruel treatment and harsh usage to which the prisoners were subjected . Mr . Arnott proceeded to read the correspondence with
Mr . Wakley , and stated that in . the beginning of March , 1 S 19 , Sir George < 5 rey sent a communication , dated from "Whitehall , in which the Secretary for the Home Department stated that inquiries bad been instituted with reference to the treatment of the prisoners , of which complaint had been made ; that the prisoners had been examined separately ; that twelve out of the thirteen , upon being interrogated , answered that they had nothing to complain of ; and that the thirteenth complained of having been struck by one of tbe officers , but that upon inquiry being made into that circumstance , it turned ont that the blow had been given accidentally . Such was the answer they had received from Sir Georee Grey . Now , as to the blow which
had been alluded to , instead of being a thing of accident , it -was an intentional act , and -was seen given by the party who had made the communication . As to the prison regulations which had been so much complained of , Sir George Grey said that these were made by the magistrates in conformity with the provisions of the Act of Parliament , and that he , the Home Secretary , could not interfere . Such was all the satisfaction they had received at tbe bands of the Secretary of State . Mr . Wakley , through illness , having been compelled to give up prosecuting the inquiry , application was made to Mr . Feargus O'Connor , Sir Joshua Walmsley , and George Thompson , and they having given it as their decided opinion , that Sir George Grey would
rather pardon the vilest felon than any political prisoner , the inquiry was not further proceeded with . Bnt notwithstanding the denial which had been attempted to be given by the government to their complaints , it was the melancholy fact , as they were all aware , that poor Sharp and another Chartist prisoner fell victims to their treatment , and died in prison in consequence of the ill-treatmeut to which thev had been exposed . Mr . Arnott then stated , that "Williams died on the 7 th of September , 1849 , and that the inquest was held on the following day , Mr . Tindal Atkinson being engaged by the committee to watch the case on behalf of the deceased's friends—that the inquest was adjourned to the following Monday , and that on the intervening day , as
requested , he went to visit the deceased ' s relatives , and took down their evidence in writing , which was placed in the hands of Mr . Atkinson , to be used on the adjourned inquest . The father of Williams having been examined , stated that his son said , " Father , it is not Cholera , I die of cold and starvation . " The coroner refused te hear any more evidence of that kind ; but the evidence of deceased's mother he considered to be of a far more important character , and which , she was prepared to give on oath ,- it was as follows : — " On Wednesday , at five o'clock in the afternoon , I went to visit my son , whom I found in his cell in a most prostrate state . I inquired what sustenance he had received , when I was informed by the officer on duty that he had
plenty of soda water . I then asked if he could not be allowed a little arrow-root ?—the officer instantly replied , 'he will not take it . ' 1 then said to my sod , ' Joe , should you like some arrow-root ? ' and with all the earnestness of which he was capable , he said , ' Yes ! ' After a lapse of two hours a small quantity , not exceeding-three table spoonsfulls , was brought , which he devoured . At half-past eight o'clock that evening I left him . On the following day , at twelve o ' clock at noon , I again visited him , and asked him -what sustenance he had received during my absence ?'—and he said , ' None whatever . ' " Thus a man lying on his death-bed was left without food or nourishment for sixteen hour 3 . Williams died early the nest day . ( Cries
of" Shame ! " and " Murder ! " ) Mr . Julian Habset supported the resolution , and said he had no doubt , when the reign of adversity once more came round , as come round it would , and men spoke out their feelings , they might rely upon it that such men would have to endure persecution in fhe future , as men had already suffered persecution in the past . A government not representing the people was no more the government of this country than was Eussia or Austria . Why did men at a Jl speak of physical force , and become the victims of the plots of Powell and company ? Simply bceause they were refused permission openly to meet , arid a statute wa 3 raked up to meet the occasion of the time of Charles the First .
It was the duty of the meeting to advocate the principles of those men who had suffered in 1818 . They should value men according to tho principles they advocated , and not on account of their being successful or otherwise . Thomas Jones was still incarcerated till a fine was paid , which in other cases had been remitted . But in the case of Thomas Jones the fine of ten pounds was persisted in , and simply because he had manfully stood up against the prison discipline to which the Chartist prisoners had been subjected . ( Hear , hear . ) Instead of adopting modes of separate action , the people should resolve upon united action , and by making along pull , a strong pull , and a pull altogether ^ obtain those necessary reforms of which he felt that the People ' s Charter ought to be the
precursor . The resolution was then unanimously agreed to . Mr . James M . Brtsox , one of the liberated prisoners , moved the next- resolution , with reference to the treatment of Tliomas Jones . For five weeks he ( Jones ) had boon limited to bread and . water , because he had refused to work according to the prison regulations . His trade was that of a shoemaker , and he refused to make shoes in the gaol , as it was understood that such work was sold out of the gaol to the injury of tho poor workman , Hear , hear . ) With reference to the treatment of irisoners at Pentonville , ho believed that in several
cases insanity had resulted , and it was a fact that , before the prisoners were sent away who were sentenced to transportation , it was the practice to give them opportunities for singing and making noises of almost every kind to fit them for leaving , after the silent system to which they were compelled , under the regulations of that prison , to submit . He concluded by moving a resolution to the effect , — " That this meeting is of opinion that the conduct pursued towards Thomas Jones by the authorities is brutal in the extreme , and that enforcing the fine of ten pounds is tantamount to keeping him in prison for life . "
Mr . George Shell , who had been imprisoned in Horsemonger-lane Gaol , next addressed the meeting . Thomas Jones , he said , would soon be liberated , and when he came out of prison , he would be able to give them a statement of the treatment lie had endured , which would almost seem to be incredible , ihe impr isonment he had himself endured had only connrme d him in the opinions he had previously ah h ' ? ' and ihese o P ' on 3 ' he should never Kj , ™ advocating . Ho cordially supported U resQlHtJon , ( Cheers . ) - , ^
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Mr . John J Bezbh supported the resolution . AH that imprisonment had done for him , as his friend Shell had also said , was , that it had sent him into a prison a Chartist , and it had sent him out of it a Republican . The first speaker who had addressed them that evening { Mr . Shaw ) had suffered extremely , and had , been for a considerable time compelled to go upon crutches . There w » 3 , classification of prisoners in Newgate , of which the public had little knowledge , but the classification was not one as regarded the nature of their crime ? , but as regarded the weight of their pockets . Ihm were in Newgate prison fifteen condemned cells , and he and Shaw were confined in two of these for twelvemonthsuntil rheumatism and illness laid
, them both on their backs . He certainly tried to make himself rather a troublesome customer , and among other things , on the anniversary of Charles the Second , he refused to go to chnpel , as he said he didn't want to return thanks for any such matter , as he thought Charles the Second ought to have been treated just the same way . is Ins Wtner had been . They were always told they must conform to the rules of the prison , but these rules , although they had often asked for them , they never yet could see . The speaker , at considerable length , entered into details of wbat he had experienced 2 n prison , and concluded by appealing to the sympathies of the meeting on behalf ot Tliomas Jones , who still retrained in prison . ¦
The meeting then separated . A collection was made at the doors ou behalf of Thomas Jones , it was announced at the close of the meeting thai this was the first of a series of meeting ' s whioh it was intended to hold on the subject .
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The Executive Committee of the National Charter Associalion held tlieir usual weekly meeting at the office , 14 , Southampton-street , Strand , on Wednesday evening , October 9 tli . Mr . Edward Milne in the chair . Correspondence was read from Dorking , stating that a locality was about being formed in that town , and soliciting cards and rules for that purpose . From Exeter , remitting cash , and requesting that a lecturer be sent into the County of Devon , and also stating that great good would arise if the request could be complied with . From Ipswich , reporting that a locality had been formed in that borough , with most encouraging
prospects . Also from Mr . Ernest Jones , dated from Glasgow . After highly eulogising the noble and kind-hearted workingmen of Edinburgh , Falkirk , ' Tillicoultry , Alexandria , Paisley and Hamilton , for what they have done in behalf of Thomas Jones , the letter concludes thus , " I forbear entering into detail as to my tour , but am happy to inform you that nothing can be more promising and encouraging than the temper and spirit of the people . The meetings are all overflowing and enthusiastic , and not only enthusiastic , but what is much better , there seems a calm and thoughtful determination to act and organise . " The committee then adjourned to Wednesday evening , October 16 th .
Somebs Tows Locality . —A meeting was held at the Bricklayer ' s Arms . Mr . "Wilkin in the chair . The delegate reported from tbe Metropolitan Council . Mr . Wheeler moved , and Mr . Thurst on seconded — " That the council be instructed before taking any further steps in publishing a circular ,, to ' a waft the result of the proceedings of the democratic Conference . ' - " Carried . On the motion of Messrs . Rogers and Harm it was agreed , that the council should be advised to include the whole of the liberated victims in the proposed supper , instead of confining it exclusively to Ernest Jones . Mr . Wheeler read a reply to a letter in the Star from Messrs AUnutt and Nobbs , which was unanimously adopted , and ordered to be signed by the chairman
and other individuals . Mr . Hornby read some correspondence between himself , Mr . M'Grath , and Mr . Smith , when the following resolution was unanimously passed : — " That the character of Mr . Hornby stands as it ever has done , without reproach in the eyes of this locality , and that the chairman be requested to correspond with Mr . M'Grath . " Mr . Fussell then commenced his lecture " On the present state of Society , " alluding to the various efforts made by Reformers in all ages to better the condition of their fellow men , from Socrates and Plats , down to the Gracchi , and from that down to the present age . He thea showed that the Charter was the onlj effective means by which the evils which for ages had been felt could be removed . He
showed the manner in which taxation and the other burdens of the country , fell with such heavy pressure on tbe working class , illustrating his argument by reference to the Exhibition of 1851 , and the advantages which foreign intellect and industry had over British . Until tbe people were duly represented , no social modification could ever be permanent ; all attempts at co-operation or establishing labour exchanges , had from this reason proved failures . He then dwelt long and eloquently upon the advantages of union , expressing delight at the auspicious commencement of their labour at the John-street Institution , showing that if this union was effected , they would be prepared to take advantage of the struggle which would speedily
take place on the continent . The public mind on the continent was a century in advance of that in this country upon questions of Social Reform , and it was only by the military force that they were enabled to keep it in abeyance . He had working with him . a young man who had been seven months confined in a prison in France , and when released no evidence was brought against him ; such a state things would not long be endured ; and he implored them to unite and be prepared for the struggle , which sooner or later must come . Mr . Tbos . Wall , in an excellent speech , supported the views advocated by the lecturer . Messrs . Thurston , Hornby , Dsnt , Wilkins , and Wheeler , also addressed the audience . Votes of thanks were given to
the lecturer and the chairman , and the meeting separated . Metropoiitax Delegate Council . —In consequence of the meeting ot the Conference at Johnstreet , on Sunday afternoon , this body assembled at seven o ' clock , at the King and Queen , Foleystreet , Portland-place . Mr . Stallwood was called to the chair . A letter was read from Mr . Fletcher , the secretary , excusing his non-attendance . Reports were received from the Whittington and Cat , in favour of establishing a Chartist Circular ; also from the Finsbury Crown and Anchor , and other localities , but expressing a doubt as to the council haying sufficient means at its command to carry it into successful operation . The delegate from Limehouse applied to the council for aid , in
appointing speakers for the forthcoming public meeting , and also for securing a supply of lecturers . An appeal was made from tbe Greenwich locality , to assist them in meeting the expenses of prosecuting Jlr . Addis for breach of agreement , in refusing the use of the academy for Chartist lectures and public meetings . The delegates were instructed to lay the subject before their localities . Arrangements were discussed , respecting the getting up of a public supper to Ernest Jones upon his return to t he metropolis ; the delegates were instructed to inquire into the probable number that would attend from their , respective localities . Their council then adjourned , to meet at the same time and place next Sunday evening . The Chartist Metropolitan Delegate Council
has issued the following address : — " TO THE WORKING MBX OF THE METROPOLIS . " Brothers , —Ignorance is one of tfre barriers to the liberty of the people . The unintelligent become the ' prey' and the ' tool' of the scholastic domineering ' class of the day ; the ingenious capabilities of the working men are used by the craftiness of this class for their own purpose and support , or otherwise they have been crused , left unprotected , and uncultivated-no scope nor encouragement given ; and why ? because , were you educated as you should be , were your intellectual faculties cultivated—union would spring up with fresh vigour , tyranny and tyrants , despotism and despots , would rot and crumble into dust—liberty the ashes
and justice -would rise predominant over of skver -y ! And well do our oppressors know this ; and , as it oftentimes has been said , so do we believe that it is to their interest to keep the people ignorant , to support them in their lustful habits of idleness . But , only let the working men know the value of themselves ; ODly let tho noble faculties of the mind expand themselves , and that moment would the spirit of free inquiry establish itself ; truth would float in tranquillity in the wide space ; no longer would man submit to the present state of society . Then , working men , ye must think and study . The winter is fast approaching—the time which would be spent in the enjoyment of Summer ramblings , can now be spent in tbo promulgation of orinciDles . and in the cultivation and
improvemont of our minds . We can do this ourselves . Institutions have been founded , bearing the name of 'Mechanics '; ' but the mechanics are not found there , —aristocratic power controls their conductorship . But , working men , you can form your own 1 Mutual Instruction Societies , ' The knowledge of tho intellectual portion of our order must bo given for the enlightenment and instruction of each other —each mind conveying its own sentiments . From your own libraries of your own works , interchange book for hook , have reading rooms open , supplied with your own papers , form your discussion classes to investigate subjects of importance , and to promulgate our principles . Again / we say , use your spare time in tbe improvement of your own minus and the minds of others ; nourish and encourage education whilst promotiDg the wo of Cn . wtjsm ,
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Brothers , in this way ye can mutually instruct your " sel ves in your various bodies , and at a small cost , and in union with our localities , and thereby greatly nia the cauBe , and bring about the more speedy and substantial obtainmeht of the Charter . On the part ef the Council , W . A . Fletcher . J . J . Brisck . 2 t > ,. Golden Lane , Barbican . " City Chartist Hall , Golden-lane . —A public meeting was held on Monday night , in the above hall . Mr . Wheeler having been called to the chair , opened the business in a speech of considerable tefigth . —Mr . Leno moved the following resolution : That this meeting views with satisfaction the immense progress which the friends of agrarian reform are making in America , and the increased
attention given to the subject by politicians in thia country . " Mr . Leno read extracts from the Young American paper , confirmatory of tho truth expressed in the resolution . The right and title to man's existence was the possession of the soil ; and he w'ris COnvihee d that ; they could never have a successful organisation of labour until they had possession of the land . Until they had possession \> f the raw material of wealth , they must ever continue slaves to those who held it , and competition would continue to prostrate labour at the feet of capital . —Mr . Elliott , ' in a speech of considerable ability ., seconded the resolution , which , having been supported by Messrs . Wheeler and Flanagan , was unanimously adopted . —Mr . Bezer moved ' a vote of thanks to the chairman , and the meeting dissolved . '
Tilucoultrt . — On the 4 th inst ., Mr . Ernest Jones delivered a lecture in the new Independent Chapel ; to a densely crowded audience . The lecture lasted for nearly two houW , and gave the greatest satisfaction ' .. Afew questions were asked at the conclusion , and answered to the full satisfaction of the querist , amid the applause of the audience . After the lecture , Mr . Jones made an appeal to the meeting , on behalf of Thomas Jones , still incarcerated in Tothfll-fieids Prison , because of the non-payment of his fine . The appeal was responded toby the spontaneous , subscription of £ 1 . 6 s . Mr . Robinson was in tho chair , and after a vote of thanks to Mr . Jones and the Chairman , the meeting separated . ¦
Sheffield .-On Sunday , October 6 th , the council Held their weekly meeting in the Democratic Temperance Hotel , 33 , Queen-street—Mr . Hague in the chair . Mr . Royston moved , and Mr . Whaley seconded— " That the Northern Star and other democratic publications be read' aloud every Sunday evening , commencing . at seven o ' clock "—Carried unanimously . The council then adopted an address to the Sheffield Chartists , . urging the necessity of union , and declaring while they would not oppose , directly or indirectly , any section' of reformers , they would maintain their long chensTied principles whole and entire .. The following are the names of the council : — Morton Royston , Henry Milner , William Cavill , Thomas Ash , Henry Flanagin , Thomas Hague , James Whaley , Charies Clayton , Aaron Hiirginbottoni , Nathan Robinson , Thomas Rooke , Riobard "Buck , Financial Secretary ; George Cavill , ' Secretary ; John Allinson ,
Treasurer . '' ! . "' . ¦"'¦ Manchester . —A members' meeting was held in the People ' s Institute , on Sunday , October Gth , when Mr . O'Connor ' s letter was read from the Northern Star of the oth inst ,, recommending that a Conference should be held in Manchester on some early day . A resolution was passed approving of the suggestion of that gentleman , bclieviiig that It would do a great amount of good to the ~ cause of Chartism , and recommending to the localities through England , Scotland , and Wales , that the said Conference should be held in Manchester on the first day of January , 1851 . This being a holiday , but little time would be . lost by the working classes , and it would be about six weeks before the assembling of Parliament . ;
Nottingham . —On Sunday last Mr . Kyddaddressed a meeting on the Forest , in the afternoon . Subject — " Democracy at home ' and abroad . ' The weather proving very unfavourable , the meeting was adjourned until six o ' clock in the evening , to the Large Room , at the Seven Stars . At the appointed time , Mr . Sweet was unanimousl y called upon to preside , and briefly opened the meeting . ' Mr . Kydd then delighted an overflowing audience for nearly two houi' 3 , by giving a most elaborate and talented exposition of foreign and home politics . The lecturer was listened to throughout with tho deepest attention . At the close a unanimous vote of thanks was
awarded to him and the chairman . -On the same evening , at eight o ' clock , Dr . N 7 Frith , one of the Yorkshire victims , addressed a very numerously attended meeting in the Large Room , at the Eagle Tavern , Mr . Sweet again presiding . The subject selected was—" The wrongs of Hungary . " After depicting the horrible treatment to which the brave Hungarians had been subjected by that blood-minded tyrant , Haynau , and eulogising the noble Eossuth and his corn-patriots , a vote of thanks was awarded to him , and also to the chairman .- —On Monday evening , Mr . Kydd again lectured at the Seven Stars . Mr . Sweet being elected chairman , stated ; that he had ho doubt his friend , Mr . Kydd , would enlighten them upon a very important subject ,
namely : " Labour—its nature and destiny . The lecturer , who evidently had given the subject of his discourse much consideration , entered fully into this all-engrossing topic , basing his arguments upon scriptural grounds , viz .: ' * He that will not work , neither shall ho eat ; " showing that labour was not only honourable to all men , but beneficial to health and prosperity . He opined that at no distant day , capital , skill , and labour would bo combined , and a thorough organisation of labour would take place ; and when men were placed , by such circumstances surrounding them , above want , or fear of it , its
high destiny would be fulfilled . Under present arrangements , those who toiled the most fared the worst , while those who were the most idle and least deserving lived luxuriously . It is impossible to do justice to the ennobling sentiments uttered by the lecturer , suffice it to say , that after an address of two hours' duration he closed his lecture , amidst the cheers of a highly intelligent audience . On Tuesday evening , the mayor having granted Mr . Sweet the use of the Town Hall , Mr . Kydd again lectured , taking for his subject : " Revolutionstheir cause and effects . " The meeting did not terminate until eleven o ' clock . —[ A report of this meeting will be given nest week . ]—All the meetings have been well attended .
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NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF UNITED TRADES . T . S . DcscoMBE , Esq ., M . P ., President . Established 1845 . : " FIAT JUSTITIA . " " If it were possible for the working classc 3 . by coin , biniiip among themselves , to raise , or keep up the genera rate of wages , it need hardl y be said tb . it tills would be il thing not to be punished , but to be welcomed and rejoiced at . " f tniART Mill .
In strict accordance with our last week ' s prediction , tbe first detachment of the Wolverhampton men who were , upon the advice of the Central Coinmittee , transferred to London , have , in the course of the week , obtained employment ; and aaecond batch , ere this article is in th e hands ef our members , will bs in the London market , where their known usefulness will , no doubt , soon find customers . As one of the natural consequences of the insane
proceedings of the Perry clique , we are informed that one of the largest firms in London are making extensive preparations to commence the manufacture of "Bright work , " a branch of the trade hitherto almost confined to Wolverhampton . How this arrangement will suit Messrs . E . Perry and Fearncomhe we leave them to decide on ; but of this we are quite certain , that the prices which will be paid in London to " bright workmen" will be altogether a different price to even " our book . "
The strike may be said to be terminated . The Central Committee now know the utmost extent of their liabilities . Every independent man has withdrawn from the obnoxious shops , and the few whom Perry holds by his disgraceful bonds have served him with notice to quit , and will quit as their notices expire , It-is true that we have not , and may not , induce Mr . Edward Perry to accept our book ; be is so obstinate ; butitis equall y true , that the golden visions of the Peruvian and Califofnian trade , for which he told us he was making such extensive preparations , will soon , if they have not already , assume the complexion of a pleasant dream , as beautiful and as evanescent .
It has been reported to us , that Mr . E . Perry complains of the measures which the men have thought it necessary to adopt to protect themselves from the effects of his injustice ; . that he querulously complains that the " steam should be put upon him . " It is a position be invited himself into , with the same egotism as when he invited himself into the chair at the Swan Hotel , at the meeting of the masters , in virtue of his position as being the most extensive manufacturer of his trade in the town . He at that time employed exactly three men more than either of his neighbours . But , alas ! for the uncertainty of human affair , even that small honour , 80 gratifying to his large self-esteem , has departed from him . He is no longer the triton of the trade , bui must , we believe , for some lime , content himself with
a third , or even a fourth rate position , Whatever inconvenience may arise to these gentlemen from this affair i 9 entirely their own seeking ; we strove strenuously to prevent it . We pointed to an equitable and honourable solution of the difficulty . They all know our sincerity in those efforts , and they know also the illiberal spirit with which our exertions were met . They know , they came to that Conference predetermined to concede nothing . Mr . E . Perry played the dictator , and Mr . Fearncombe the bobadil , at these meetings ; we . endured the infliction for two days , and could no longer submit either ourselves or our men to the arrogance of the one , or the vulgar abuse of the other . All conciliatory measures having thus failed , there was but one course open to the men , and that was , to make a book for themselves , and insist upon its adoption .
Mr . Perry says , that men have a right , individually , to bargain as to wages , but not collectively . We beg to correct Mr , Perry . Men have no rig ht , collectively , to set a price upon their labour—just the same right as the iron masters have , at their quarterly meeting , to sec a price upon their iron , A more clearly defined and better established right doe 3 not exist , and it is the only equitable and effective made by which the wages' question can be dealt with . This individual bargain-making has been the bane and ruin of the working classes . It is tbe ' * National Curse . ' ¦
This nation never did , or can prosper , upou low wages . It is an absurdity . National prosperity can alone be based upon national happiness , and that is incompatible with low wages—the fruitful source of poverty , vice , and crime . We beg to assure Mr . Perry , that however rich and prosperous low wages may have made , or may make him , and his class , they are not the nation . Is an illustration wanted cf what low wages will do ? Look at Ireland , with its wretched serfs , its miserable , benighted , famine-stricken slaves , the keenest
satire upon our national greatness ; the inexpiable opprobrium to our boasted civilisation , and the disgrace and infamy of British Statesmanship and of British Legislation . And this is the condition to which the Perrys and other tyrants of trade , and the hellish system they advocate , would reduce the British labourer to . But no , while we live , while we can use our tongue , or wield our pen , we will fearlessly denounce the infernal system , and the heartless tyrants who , for their own selfish ends , patronise and perpetuate it .
Individual efforts to regulate wages are sheer nonsense . What possible chance can a poor , famishing , ignorant man , have with an astute , crafty capitalist ? It can only be compared to a lamb bargaining with a wolf . Like Perry ' s agreements , all the penalties would be on one side , and all the benefits on the other . No , no , Mr . Perry , no more of your individual contracts . Meet us in a spirit of equity and fairness . We do not begrudge you your profits ; do not you seek to rob us of our wages . We care not two
straws at what price you sell your goods , but we have a right to live , and not to starve , from the fruits of our labour . And if we cannot accomplish this by individual , or even sectional effort , which all past experiense proves , why , then , there is but one other remedy , and that is , National Organisation ; and , though Mr . Perry may deem it dangerous and pernicious , we tell him it ia the glorious sheet anchor which can alone prevent labour drifting to leeward , and becoming a complete wreck upon the rocks of ill-regulated , insatiable capital .
We know the difficulty , the extreme difficulty ! of indoctrinating ; the masses with a theory so comparatively new—so opposed to their past experience and , in many cases , ao repugnant to their prejudices and habits . We saw these difficulties at the threshold of the movement , and knowing them , bravely dared them , and pronounced our determination to evercome them ; we have struggled to do so , and we will still struggle on in . our glorious mission , and as surely as a continuous
dripping of the softest element eats into the impenetrable stone , so surely shall we , by perseverance and uncompromising integrity , carve out for our movement a passage through the ignorance , prejudices , and stone-like apathy of our suffering brethren . And , in our estimation , to enjoy this high privilege , of being humble instruments in working out so necessary and so nationally a beneficial revolution , confers more honour upon us than could be found in possessing the wealth of Cioesu 8 , if that wealth were tbe fruits of the
wringings , squeeztngs and extortions , from the scanty pittance which the morality and honesty of capital awards to its elder brother labourers . Reflect , Mr . Perry , upon these things ; do just take a retrospective glance over the past—the paste ght years . How have you bnilt up your fortune ?—out of whose sinews—out of whose sweat—out of whose expenditure of health and life ?—Your workmen . J }| W up your retrospect to the present time , and ponder upon poor Ilallet—the wretched , rheumatic Hallet ; think upon Haynes , —fancy his honest face upon the tread-wheel for an absence of three hours from his work , and the disgraceful proposition you made to him while in prison . Think upon the men
whom you now hold against their will , in basest bonds , and then reflect , that by such means you have realised a fortune : think , sir , of these things , and then go to supper with what appetite you may . We would not change places with such a man for all the gold of California . We grow daily more proud of our Association . We know that at this time thousands of our fellow workmen are watching , with an almost breathless attention , the issue of this struggle . We know also , and Mr . Perry knows it too , that victory is ours , and that victory ,
officially announced , lifts our movement into per petuity . It will become one of tbe great facts of the times , and we shall have the Thunderer belching out bis fires at our unfortunate . heads . What a glorious thing it is that we are not living under a French Republic , surrounded by Imperial institutions . No , fellow workmen , an Association Umvemlle is not yet proscribed by British law , and if you are true to yourselves , it never will be . The VI . Geo . IV ., Cap . 129 , is our Palladium ; read ; study it , and learn from if the valuable privileges it Confers upon you , pd prepare yourselves to use
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those privileges wisely and rationally . It point to you a clear and open path by which to escape fr oin industrial bondage , and believe usj when we tell you that this grand desideratum achieved , you are then in thfi high road to political freedom . No intelligent united people , were crer , or can be , enslaved . We said , last week , "That for a nation to befree . it was enough that it wills it ; " we offered a few explanatory words upon that well-worn adage , and we said , and say . still , that ? a national organisation of the working classes must be the basis from which
alone this national will must spring . Give us , then , our organisation , and we will free you from Industrial and Social bondage , and you can then , almost without an effort , demand and have Political Freedom . . We have the satisfaction of announcing , that Mr ., Winter , a member of the Central Committee , stationed , at present , in Wolverhampton , to watch over and regulate the Wolverhampton strike , visited , last week , the Sadlefs of WalsaJ , who cams to a unanimous resolution of joining , forthwith , the National Association of United Trades .
Mr . Green will , on Saturday evening next , attend a delegate meeting . of the Carpet Weaving firms of Kidderminster , where Ihe important question will be discussed—how far working all night is conducive to the health , happin ^ r , and morality of working men , and wherter such a system is to be tolerated ? We trust not . We have always been strong advocates for a Ten Hours Bill , and wish to see our members everywhere insist upon it , which they can readily do , without Legislative enactment , by union . The 6 th Gso . IV ., cap . 129 , gives them the right and the power . We have great , pleasure in soliciting frou the Editor of the ' Star —truly the working man ' s paper —the insertion of ilie following admirable letter , received within these few days from the Tailon of Kil ,-marnock , an old , staunch , and valuable body of thia movement . It contains the opinion of some of Scotia ' s son 3 upon passing events ' . . William Peel , Sec .
Kilmarnock , September 25 . Dear Sib , —Enclosed you will find a Post-office order for £ 3 10 s ., being £ 2 10 s in support of the strike fund , and the rernniriiug £ 1 as onr current levies . You will , no ? luubt , expect ouv opinion regarding the opefatious of tho Central Committee in regard to the Wolverhampton Tin Plate Workers . I may state , that the manner in which the Central Committee have conducted this affair , has all along given the greatest amount of satisfaction to us ; While we have watched the ; arrogance of that evidently consummate hypocrite , i ' erry , in his end « avoui'S _ to fovce the men to how to his dictum with loathing and disgust . We have admired the calm determination o ' f the Central Committee in still keeping the one grand object of the strike in
the foreground . This Perry has stood out in bold relief to illustrate what unscrupulous capitalists are at all times prepared to perpetrate upondisunited labour . Shall this , then , be Ihe last lesson that capital will have to i-ead to labour ? Will tljb working classes of this kingdom prepare themselTes to meet this still growing monster ? Or when , at any future iime , tho fit \ t of golden omnipotence shall go forth , will they be found , as heretofore , vainly battling , individually , or sectionally , uutil they , pareeiving the error of such a course when too late , find themselves so torn and lacerated by the monster , that to collect the at present available element ? , which , if rightly directly , would check and finally overthrow it , will have become impossible ?
L-et . us hope , for the credit , as well as for the benefit of the working classes of Britain , that they will not so far neglect nil that appertains to their welfare . In a word , let them prove their faith in their own strength , and the vital principles of association , by at once becoming members of tho National Association of United Trades . I remain , dear sir , yours sincerely , WiLLUH Smceb , Secretary ,. To Mr . William Feel .
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> seo' > . THE GREAT SEIZURE OF STOLEN PLATE AND JEWELLERY IN THE CITY .
Mr . Sin-ell , the silversmith of Barbican , and tho two men , Macauley . and Maguire , concerning whose apprehension , the two latter upon a charge of stealing , and the former of feloniously receiving a vast amount of silver plate , were brought up before the county magistrates at Liverpool , on Thursday week , and remanded . The value of the seizure upon Mr . Sirrell's premises was between £ 50 , 000 and £ 60 , 000 . Mr . Sirrell was one of tho largest purchasers of silver and jewellery in the metropolis , probably in the kingdom , and that the house was well known in the trade as giving the best price . lie never attended public sales , but bought very largely of the small dealers who did , and ' it was well known amongst-them that they
could with confidence send their plate to him , and depend upon getting the highest value it could produce in the market . Since his apprehension tho shop has been closed . Notwithstanding tho apparently fair system of business , it is notorious that the police have constantly had their eye upon it , and whenever a large robbery of plate was known , immediate caution was given to Mr . Sirrell not to purchase any . Mv . Sirrell ' s answer , however , was , that he gave a fair value to all , and that he could not use more discretion than he had all along shown , Gruoibles were daily in operation at the house , and therefore he had more than ordinary faculties for destroying the identity of silver . Some idea of the extent of his business may be formed from the circumstance that when he was informed
that he must proceed to Liverpool , ho inquired of his clerk what cash he would want , for he would only be away a few days or so . - The clerk said £ 1 , 400 might do ,. and Mi \ Sirrell accordingly gavo him a check for that amount , to ' meet the shop ' s disbursements . Amongst the articles found in toe shop was some plate bearing the crest of the Duke of Buckingham , and it is thought that he bought it of the dealers who attended the Stowe sale . It is said that tho prisoner Macauley is well known to the Liverpool officers , and has been in custody several times . He was tried at the last assize on a charge of being concerned in a robbery , but the prosecutor failed in making out a case for conviction , Ho is the son of a man of some property , who died a short time since , but left him
nothing , in consequence , it is said , of his dissipated habits .. He . is a very good-looking man , and dresses in remarkably good style . It is also said that H'Guire is well known to the police in Liverpool , but he has hitherto been fortunate enough to elude justice , never having been in custody before . He is also a very well looking man , and , until lately , has kept a public-house in Liverpool . He is reported to be worth at least £ 3 , 000 . The piece of pjgier , with the name and address of thia prisoner enclosed in one of the parcels , has been identified as his own handwriting . The arrest of Mr . Sirrell appears likely to bring to light robberies of an important character in London and elsewhere . Although only a few hours have elapsed since the plate and jewels found upon the premises were removed to Scotland-yard , already two owners of purloined articles have identified their property among the stock of Mr . Sirrell .
Mr . Argent , of the Rainbow Tavern , Fleet-street , attended in Scotland-yard on Monday , and in a very short time recognised plate belonging to himself , from which the mark had been almost obliterated . Mv . LoTogrove , of the London Coffee-house , has also claimed some spoons and forks ; and the proprietor of Dolly ' s chop-house , in Paternoster-row , has been communicated with on the subject of some articles supposed to have been stolen from his coffee-room . The Officers of the London and Liver « pool police continuo to avail themselves of tho electric telegraph , and frequent communications pas 8 to and fro daily . On Monday evening it was ascertained that a pair . of salt-cellars , forming a portion of tho plate sent to Mr . Sirrell by Ma < ruire on Wednesday , were stolen , with other property , from tbe house of Mrs . Tinley , ] S o £ , Peel-street , Liverpool , on the night of the 23 th ult . Mr . Sirrell has , it is said , retained Mr . Montague Chambers to watch the caso on his behalf .
Tho investigation of tho charge against Sirrell was resumed on Tuesday morning ; the court was densely crowded . The prosecutor was first examined , and detailed tho circumstances connected with the robbery . Several witnesses were afterwards examined , amongst them Inspector Keogli , of the detective force in this town , who spoke to the circumstances connected with the apprehension of the prisoner Sirrell at his place of business in Barbican , London . Mr . Lewis , solicitor , of London , and Mr . Simon , barrister , having addressed the court on behalf of their respective clients , the prisoners were remanded till Tuesday next .
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ISCENDlAlilflJI IN THE COUNTY OF DOffff . -TllO Belfast Whig contains an alarming account of tho destruction by fire of three dwelling-houses and some out-oflicos within the past week , which were maliciously set on five , and totally consumed Sihoiko Mows , —One of these extraordinary little animals is now in the possession of Mr . Makepeace , one of the lay clerks of Rochester Cathedral . Mr . Makepeace was attracted by its noise , and sue ceeded m trapping it . It chiefly sings in the evening , but it can be hoard occasionally through the day . Tho notes are not unliko those of the linnet . The Water Gas . —The spirited corporation of Manchester are at present allowing the erection of White ' s apparatus on their wovks , to try the economy of converting tlieir immense production of tar into gas by its means ; and the result of this trial will pretty much decide tho merits of it . — Mining Journal . ..
_ . , ., Municipal ELECiORa .-Tho number of municipal electors on the burgess-roll orcaoh corporate city and borough in England and Wales is stated in a return issued on Monday to be 213 , Go 2 , viz , M , 4 ii in- Ensland , and 7 , 178 in Wales . ' EpJoOWOX IN CAL 1 FORNIA . -T 11 O EpUCOpBlUIIS in California have succeeded in organising a die . L * . of the church , adopting constitutions , canons and rules of order , and have elected Dr . Southpatc , formerly a missionary bishop for Constantinople , as ( hoirprelate . . ; ., . . ^ GvxD ron the decrepid mouth ai'Q » QW Seiflg Kg nurtured ftW guttapoKtlja , _ j
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THE l'OLISH AND HUNGARIAN REFUGEES .
Ou Wednesday evening a public meetin g ¦ was held in the large room , at the Coach and Horses , Stratford , in aid of the Refugees . Mr . T . Brown in the chair . The chairman made a powerful appeal on behalf of these brave "but unfortunate exiles , and stated that a building , containing a hall and sleeping apartments for their refuge , would be opened on Sunday next , at 41 , TuruTnill-street , near Clerkenwe ll Green , and that the Committee would meet there every Snnday , and be happy to receive bedding of any kind , however humble . Messrs . Bentley , Moring , and others , also addressed the audience , and after several Democratic songs were sung by the Poles , a collection w as made amounting to £ 1 Os . lid . One lady ¦ who had come ten miles liberally gare a halfsovereign , >; . _
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M . Potkvin niado his ascent on Thursday , from tho Hippodrome , Paris , mounted on the back of an ostrich ; amidst the cheers of an immenso concourse of persons assembled . A cuemist of Lorient , named Lagrango , has , after fifteen years' experiments , brought to . perfection a new kind of shell , which , when it strikes any object , bursts with d / rendftU force , tearing to pieces everything near it .
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MIDDLESEX SESSION . A Desperate Woman . —Eleanor Bennett , a fierce determined-looking woman , aged 22 , vras indicted for having threatened the life of Miss Isabella Grace Mountford , the school mistress of Be fchnal-green workhouse . The defendant when called upon to p lead took no notice of the question at first , but on its being repeated , she exclaimed ( her voice being precisely like the screech of an owl , ) " Oh , I'll tell her , I'll give it her again if its years to come , that ' s what I've got to say , and what do you think
of it old fellow ; and then made an attempt to pull off her shoe , wherewith to assault the prosecutrix , or anybody who might be near her . As she refused to plead , the case was proceeded with as if she had pleaded not guilty . The prisoner , it appeared , had slept tho greater part of her life alternately in the metropolitan prisons and tho Bethnal-green work * house . On the 29 th of September she was an inmate of the latter establishment , and on that day she was assisting : the storekeeper in tho dining-hall , when the school-mistress , who happened to be thero , discovered some victuals concealed in a desk .
The prisoner was highly indignant at her asking who placed it there , and in ah outburst of fury made an unsuccessful attempt to strike her with an earthenware dish ; she declared that she would not be foiled the next time , , and that she would soon find an opportunity for the gratification of her revenge . The same afternoon as Miss Mountford was passing along one of the corridors , the prisoner rushed after her with a tin pannikin and was about to strike her with it on the head when one of the teachers of the male school ran up and prevented her doing so . The prisonci- then threatened to stick a knife into her the first time she had a chance , and there being very little doubt but that she would carry that threat into
execution on the first opportunity sho was given into custody . During the examination of tho witnog 8 es tho prisoner made repeated attempts to take off her shoe , and she resisted the officer to that degree when he was preventing her , that an additional one was put in the dock . Throughout the caso she was continually interposing with the most dreadful exclamations , one of which , may be fatten ftS ft sample of the whole . When asked whafc site had to say to the charge , she said , '' Do what you like—it ' s all lies , and I'll bury a —— knife in her body yet . I will d—n her and ' all of you . I'll givo it her if its for years to come . " She was found Guilty . Mr . Ajar , the medical officer to the workhouse ,
thought the prisoner was perfectly sane . It was then shown that tho prisoner had been once convicted in thia court and once at the Old Bailey for felony , and no less than seven times by police magistrates for smashing windows and other wilful damage . She was sentenced to a month ' s imprisonment , and to find two sureties in £ 10 to keep the peace for six months . Articles of the peace were then exhibited against her under which she was ordered to find two further sureties for a further period of six months , and to be imprisoned until such sureties were given . The prisoner was then removed , and as she wns led away sho ' repeated her diabolical threats with the most awful oaths .
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October 12 , 1850 . - . THE' NORTHERN STAR , 5
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Northern Star (1837-1852), Oct. 12, 1850, page 5, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct1595/page/5/
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