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      ' ^ gfL ^ BKSK * yiTH ENGiLANb . ?¦ - ' .: ¦ ' ¦ " ' " / ' : . r-r "" . " . I . . '¦ ' . /" "' . ''" .. ' V " . ; . 1 ! ¦ '" . ( Fiom the Irishman . ) . \ . .. ' .--, t ^ nri i- ^ rift anyappedable knowledge Sv £ ?« nffi « - ^^ e policyjtbai c totfether soTnetimes states , somenmea gr ouper , gjgju for one common object , and P ^ iJrbY one common idea . The ^ Greek p ^ S the Etrurian League , the mefa ^ fS&BM of Italy , the Alliance of the S 0 f » " ^ i the German Confederation , and ^ f !! e of Smalcaldi vdthin it , are in-* * Kmto every student . ^ tnrt su ^ ests the expedient , even where In nXnt , ana the timid deer may be ieaso" toAiai close line with menacidus antiW fiSSin ost the defensivetestudo . of & *> ^ " f There are limits , however , both * " -- 1 C fitc £ i « 5 and rational affiance . The ^ "iTclbine with the wolf or the ice f ,. S this would beonlytogiyehMf ^ ^^^^^^^^ . ^^•^^ 1 : '— - - -- ^ - "aVTrf-k ' iLTt j \ % j i lit M Ti'TCT ^ iTJi ^ iir ^

      i » i n , lv to the destroyer .. The lireeics Oil not ** Z * Lfend themselves against the inroads ** " ? ¦ L in affiance "with Xerxes ; . ' The ofI > S WTcrs , or the African corsairs , > ° rtffVS have applied for admission into * ° f ^ e ofthe Hansetowns . * Jf = feet understanding and honest car-•? ., nt of princip les becomes every day more ^ tt We live in an age of rapid projmjMHx ani . ^ '^ QQ ^ jnoaii circumstances Ff 'Inoscs , we must become their slave 85 art > the times when pregnant nature Jw in the birth of a new race ; her days klKmro Ui ^ fa ] 1 and . becomes us to ^^ t theinfiuitbe not strangled

      inthede-£ " want brothers , confederates and allies , Vin , Goa has raised athick crop all around ^ L Ae young pulse of nationality throbs JTtne veins of our working classes ; and with Xtcflual and proportionate spmt theses Zu-Lut Europe yearn to struggle aftertfae Sfv ofman- afteragenerous independence S tile pracfijal enforcement of that natural lalitv « hich the Creator stamped in the end ! Jd « rf « nn of human life , and m thcimparfaal Itribudon of equal faculties to all ___ nowherehere in the

      Here , or — gathering iteMTth of the awakening Democracy in Chriit « i 3 om must we l , ay the pillars and foundations of our popular league . Vainly would ve prostrate ourselves before the tinsel splenaonUf faded courts ; vainly would , we strike jun ^ with the adherents and parasites of nrcaltv . or with the chapmen and dealers of CTjTeiaon . first of all , nearest and most fraternal , " are ffce liearts of England ' s toiling populace . 5 hesc are with us , or may be . Our conditions ar eall but identical ; the oppressor is the same , ODToljects are similar ; both seek to crush the insolence of a class that tyrannises in the name

      of a Constitution ; to establish political jusfee ; and , though it may be occasionally , that lavrs cannot make a community absolutely lapj . v—to take care that they de not make it inevitably miserable . Tliehtter has been the direct and inevitable tendency of English legislation . Thevery life and instinct of the Constitution has been moulded to an aristocratic bias , and society , even in its most voluntary relations , is round inked with the same poisonous spirit .

      Loci at the contrast afforded by the labour and pat rf different orders of . the state . Oar artisans aid wrkinr classes generally are the worst paid , and iiare the lowest scale of subsistence of the people of any country pretending to be civilised . We liave known hundreds of instances in which tart Irish jtessants ha * e begged to be allowed to tertcr their labour for their food—a day's work for flaw , or ofteiier two indifferent meals—and they hare been refused . Such is the social collap * Trfrieh onr system of role has produced , that it is unpioStahle to sjwnd anything on the ¦ vrcsrsi ! " ! tear of the flesh and blood machinery that mishuill God ' s earth , and gladden it all over with the Arrests of a nation's food . '

      Ihiiftnc labourer and the humble handicraftsnan i * pinched , or even annihilated , in the financial calculations of our social system , the higher ebx » 3 of emplows feel no stint High dignitaries of the Ctrarih , with £ 20 , 600 si-year ; noble ambassadors , with lihle less ; clerks , commissioners , treasm-. Ts , and secretaries—all paid at rates unparalleled for prodigality in the world's history—attest ik-ferinss of ouf constitution , and the beneficent iafaifyofourlaws . "' h i '

      Conanre this state of tilings with ut ^ t prevailing inAmcrca . There the wages ^ of ' the . ltfBrer class areiiirceorfbur , in some instah ' ees ' eiglit or ten foes as high as here ; whereas , on the other hand , the pay of what may be termed the more aristocnue ' t-mplnyments is eight or ten times as cheap tbreashere . . - " - - Ur learny of our beneficent rule is , that we cannot mend it . We have judges in our Four Courts , gena * ei « ht thousand a-year ; and government could Hardly take a halfpenny from the salary , bettesc of the immense incomes that men make in piwte practice . SiEce if the salary of the judge TOetwlneed , the ermine might go a begging—no oar of eminence would accept it .

      lias is one illustration of the curse that attends fie vicious habits of nations . The aristocracy alone « cre considered the jrenius of our constitution , and the spirit of our laws were both directed to tie artificial aggrandisement of one class , and to tfce tmnatund depression of the remainder . Urn- is now no possibility of reform . We must first tradicate , pluck up the gall-plant , root and kancb , and tcss its ashes to the winds of heaven . Tbise are objects common and mutual to the democracies of the sUter isles , and it is , therefore , to wl <« > ed that they will work harmoniously togewf .. r the general benefit . So far have they done *; I'flt growing strength has increased duties , and Sqnires augmented discretion , judgment , and Janper . ¦

      Our object , Htherto . his been simply twofold—to ttiiTfjt the musses to democratic principles , and to ( &SHase them into a dense , compact , and soMd Joint , whether for resistance or attack . The work £ tes on—God speed it . Six months more earnest ^ trailing and honest drilling , and tbe young guards ti democracy may take the field ; bnt they will not ** dit When we shall have mustered strong enough iwtLe assault the fortress will surrender at disttEtkm . Sever was victory so peaceful as will be that of tte popular armies of the sister isles ; it only * Mits to be able to conquer , and triumph is

      TLtre is , however , one pomt very much over' ^ i by millions who hi their souls sympathise JOi the present movement . They adopt , as they P ^ . a safe and cautious policy ; they keep aside ^ tle ranks of Democracy , partly because its ¦ fcfrs are directed ultimately and unquestionably fu " fa ! 15 s ' n er than a petition , and partly from "SiOTelty of the modus opcrondi adopted in it . « iLe first case , the way to prevent bloodshed is j ? ffiate fur movement so strong that it wonld be r *^*« in oppression to hazard a battle . Is this S f TJ'e ? -conld the three kingdoms afford three r ^ oas of confederated democrats read v to stand to 11 * - - Ha HMW . UUOICU UCUlUyidL ? XI ^ IUJ' IV 9 UU 1 U | A #

      ?^ am * , "for God and their rights / ' aeainst ^ P do ! aeE tic f oes ? Who doubts this ? We ^ nidengage to makcere eightmonths , the number I in Ireland . Look at our wasted farms and our r ^ ? population . The process-Berver and the ^ collector are wonderfal elaborators of nation-• £ * : The cottage" levelled toitsfonndaUon , and ;*« 0 | in its rotten waUs , fiUa the air with the ger-^^ bBgseedsof treason . ¦ J ^ lland , too , could giro her three million sol-^ to the canse ^ -and she will give them . From Feiseed to rocky Cornwall she groans under au J ^ iatons oppression . He that -work * h » rtt ^* u

      ^ fflost despised and the most miserable being in ^ State , and God did not Intend , and man will not ^ te snch a system . ' The mark of Cain is on porow ofthc labourer , and he communicates the " ^ to his infant after hunl ¦ ^ sedaltevolution is necessitated and justified . t *? * ay , tbe means , the end is clear . But it isab-• Kitcly essential to have a , visible organisation and 5 jk * OD . Seeret friends are only hah" friends , i ; a Ppearanee of strength often renders the exer-5 ® « f it unneesssary . Give us the three milj ™ ^ rolled and determined democrats , and let us pastier a debauched Muustry will attempt to VJ ?? ans : ; ¦ ¦ of

      . ^ e us one out every five that are disaffected ; that ¦ ° ^ everv te *^ t ha'e cause to be so , ' and * ' ? new version of the Reform Bill Bhall we ^ wih the least : posssible trouble toPariia-^ Jf ants of England are almost identical .. la ^ ^ uousy and horror of the r ^ ' methat oppressed B-1 W Dot "" bide our brethren in desradatiori . ^ e K cot , men of . England j let no " fiend pour Istb « % * ^ aters of distrust in our union . We = «^ ere d together , and together will

      wecontiath , "" DW » - « iu we . decapitato the hydra fe 7 *« ted our double country .: v , ; ; : ; gate -T ^ Pa-hament . andsodpyou ; we have te ^^ -hmtins ; to ^ . . dopw , both , bf u ^ till C ^ after Beneration'haTe died of Hope ' dfr * w ' J » y teU w that kri ^ veprooeedingi

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      areproverbi ^ . ly " ^^^'' ^^^^ ^ and gradual ' We I know it , ; and ; protest ' ag 8 inst its tardy movements : What to us is . it that Ptoliament may ; fifty ' veara hence , recant its errors . over the gravest which i * . « nm « W liMB . bi ^ Mr -We- « iii ^ - % ft- ' . the future belongs to-posterity- the present isouls let bs use it , Time is the giftof G 6 J , let us eiriploy it to secure the ri ghts of men . ' r . ^ fv * Organise fo ^ . the uTe- ^ iii your meeting rooms von are daily gaming the Tictory ^; . The country on all sides is disaffected . . ; It wants but to give that disaffectiotf unity and a voice . The people no loricer upderstaiid a loyalty that sacrifices themselves and their families to the ' gluttony of a sensual and a gnnduiganstocracy , andthey will no longer submit to It . ' ' . ' . " ¦ ; ' ' * ' ' -. ' ' : ¦ ' 'I" ' ¦ . t .: ¦¦ : ¦ . . . . . 9 TA TimverbiallV filOW . r C&Ht , infia an / t rri ^ An ^ lli tTfi > .

      « . - ' P loneers ° f England ' s independence , run for tne cause , scatter the" seed of your nation ' s hope broadcast round every hearth ye approach ; Shun Parliament as ye would the poor-house , for it is the leading road thither . - Wei are able to conquer , let us be willing . Let our organisation be strong as as our necessity , and let the inisery of the people ; whose redemption ft is our misssion to achieve ; be the watchword and the source of the strusrgle . ;• '

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      IRISH . DEMOCRATIC MOVEMENT . ¦ The democrats of Ireland are everywhere meeting and organising . We take the following from the Irishman of Saturday last : ^ -

      CORK BRANCH , Oif , THE IRISH DEMOCRATIC ASSOCIATION . . , This body held its usual weekly meeting at their rooms , Castle-street , on Monday evening—Mr . ' Peacoi-k in tbe chair . —The Secretary commenced : » he business of the evening by reading the lecture of Mr . Mofiitt , entitlfd "Ways and Means . " which appeared in- Saturday ' s LishiAan , arid had-proceeded about midway in : ssme when Sub-Inspector Walker ( as we understood ) and Head ^ onstables Roe , Porter , and Crowley , with Sergeants Cudmore ,-Vickers , and ssveral others of the constabulary , entered . The Secretory continued the address to the end , -after which the chairman , in an able and effective address , called upon them to unite and spread their principles .

      They were battling for the great cause < if universal freedom , liberty of conscience , and liberty of speech . They did not seek to make a havoc , but wished to live honestly by manly toil ;; and ; he contendedithat no man with a sane mind ought . to be denied a voice in the making of the laws by which he was to be goverm d . The speaker concluded a ion » and brilliant address amidst cheers f .-r Mitchel , Meagher , ff c ., 8 tc . Several persons were then admitted members . At the request of one of the members , the secretary read the " Address to the Orangemen of- Ulster ' amidst enthusiasiic cheering . —Mr . Peacock wasthenn . oved from the chair . The " force" seemed to be anxious observers of the proceedings . One of them took notes (?) This rather famous or infamous individual made himself more conspicuous than his' fellows ; by taking down , the names of the Committee , a « d holding a lighted candle at the door , which he held to the

      face of each member as . he retired , after the proceedings had terminated . Subsequently produceda search warrant , signed by James Roche , J . P ,, they made a most scrutinizing search , looking into th « very bust of John Mitchel . A reinforcement soon after arrived , three of wl-om were' placed on the street door ; i This had the effect of gathering a crowd , who pressed about the door {• ¦ r admittance , inconveniently crow . 1 ins the Committee-room . After searching every hole and corner , nook and cranny of the baildin ; -, without finding any- "treasonable papers ; " or other docomenis calculated to bring ns under the' fangs of the " law , * ' the Sub-In . -pector mustered his brigade , and bade us a good-bye until our next meeting ; A member . very politely thanked him for the manner in which he . had " established" the Association , as ; no doubt , it will have the effect of procuring ' more adherents than if he had allowed our addresses , and the placards of the Irishman ; to remain posted up . r

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      CARRICK-ON-SUIR BRANCH OF THE IRISH DEMOCaATIC . ASSpClATlO 3 ST . j The usu = 1 weekly meeting of the Carrick Demn . crats was held in their rooms , Grevstone ' -street , on Monday evening , the 22 nd nit . ; Mr . Patrick Comerford in the chair . ¦ The proceedings this evening werevery lively and the memb rs unusaally excited , owing to the presence at the meeting of = t £ e resident magistrate , T . R . . Grows ,. Esq , his son , and the Sub-Inspector of Police . The business , which was ra-her dull to the time of the " entrance of : these functionaries suddenly assumed an air of interest . The intelligent and respectable mechanics of Carrick were on thw occasion true to their wide reputation for " pluck , " and there was a ; rush of mtmbtrs to the table to propose andsectind candidates for admission into the Democratic Association ; who . were waii ing outside the door until they were acceptedas

      rotmbers , and then entering enmasse . paid their sub- > criptions , and gave their names to tliesecretarr , with a provoking imperturbability which evinced / a most " seditious" disregard for the " awful presence" of the •' authorities . " The magistrate , on his entrance , inquired if the meeti-. g was a public one . . The secre-. tary answered that it was the usual-weekly meeting of the Democrats , and that any friend of the cause of democracy was welcome .. : His worship thensaid . that though not exactly a friend , he ; and the ' gentiemen who came with hisa , wished to witness ; the ipro ? ceedings . . The secretary offered them , a seatjhwhwh they civilly declined . They were attended by & posse of police , who were drawn up in . the street as long as his worshi p and suite remained in the room . There wes also a great crowd of people in front of the house where , the meeting was held , who seemed very anxious about the result of his worship ' s visit . . ; . .

      As soon as the business of enrolling : members had concluded , Mr . Joseph Q'Grady rose to address the meeting :, which he did in an able and energetic ad-: dre ? s . Mr . Graves and suite took their departuie , apparently much edified by the lesion taught them by the unflinching determination which the Democrats had that night manifested . Mr . James Cavanagh next addressed the meeting . He complimented the meeting on the determination they : evinced > on that night : he hoped rhey would show the snme courage on the hill-side , where Irish patriotism could be more efficiently exhibited in front of the oppressors- of seven centuries , and the green flag of Erin floating proudly in the breeze . { Load cheers J' . ¦ ' We add the following editorial comments of the Irishman : — . ¦ . ¦¦•; ..-.. ¦ t

      POLICE ESPIOKAGEi . : . We Democratic organisation is beginning to con « vince Lord Clarendon that he has not' succeeded in his arrogant boast of having " squelched" Irish "disaffection . " He mistook the whimpering of slaves and the fawning of place-beggars for the voice of Ireland . He fancied that ; having succeeded in transporting our martyrs to a convict 8 doom , and'in thinning the ranks of onr true men by expatriation , he bad-nothing to do but eat his pudding ' -in peace and quietness . He has been woefully disappointed . The vo ce of Ireland was dumb for a while , but is now making itself heard in manly , burly tones , which betoken self-confidence , determination , and a purpose . This ia the very last thing a base Whigdesirestohtar . — .- ¦¦¦ ¦

      Clarendon did not dream of Ireland recovering speedily from the collapse of ' 48 . The awakened Democracy was a latent power on which he did not calculate . . He had disposed of the "leaders " --packed Tunes , Jeffries judges , and suborned tools , did h s bidding—and Whiggery enjoyed its atrocious triumph . But the good seed was sown . "Leadership . ' which brought" agitation" and run on the people ' s cause , became a thing of scorn .: The Democracy , in their mighty and irresistible array , became alive to their rights and their true position / and hence a movement which has struck terror into all Whigdom . ¦ •"¦'¦ - . - ¦• •

      And , now , brothers , let " caution mark the guarded way . " Do not peril our infant organisation by playing into the hands of the enemy . The doctrines of Democracy require no seditious agency to propagate them . What care we about police or suborned spies ? Our principles fear not the glare of tbe noca-day sun-=-our organisation is open and fearless , and let all our courses be so . In this way we shall" ripen the pear , " and give no triumph to the enemy .

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      BRITISH COLLEGE of HEALTH , Uew-Eoad , London . FEttow-CotJKTETHES , —The following is tile inscription on the book containing the Petition to the House of Com-SsT 0 J ^ BKSbSt ? ** " ^« w . Of the Names of the . 19 , 950 ., Independent lndinduals who siignea the Petition presented to the House of Commons , " On Tuesday , the 15 th of Jutie / 1847 - ( throngh Sir Benjamin _ HaUi Bart , M . P . for ihe Borough ofot liarslebone ) , "' " ; " ¦ AGAINST , THB DEADLY POISOSS Used or held out as Medicines by DoctorB m In order to prop flieir'Guinea Traae- ' '" ' Whiehtraaeistherootof all evils an fegard& the « ntt ^ healtu ; f te cause of hospitals ana lbiu 3 E £ fagfiS& fiUed withrdUeasKi objects ; and , aboveaU , thTclu ^ ol aU persons Uves being kept in constant jeopardy S * the deadlj chemicals which doctors lanfetrtwrifin order to prop up that trade : " ' - ' ¦^ oaucett «»

      The contentsof the work are as follows- — 1 . Case of ffiss Abercrombie , poisoned by 8 trrelm ! iiP Beportedby Jfr . Se > geant , nWMr . Ju / ticefaifiS 2 . Death of Wainwright , her Murderer . ceialIun ™' . 3 . Sale of Poisons . ; ,.:. ,: ' r i , MarchioaesB pf Briutilliers . , ¦ ' "' 5 . Account of the 4 quaTo&na . . ! ,: ., 6 . Wholesale Poiaoning during the Roman Reputlic . 7 . Recent Cases of Poisoning . ., .. 8 . Prefiice to the Seventiethi Thousand of " The . ' \ - : Morisoniana . ' - ' . ' ,. " ; ""¦ . . '¦ .. ¦' .. "j , , " . ' ; . ¦ ' „ " » '' 9 . Buckingliam ' s &se : a whole family saved b y the — 'Vegetable Universal Medicine , ' after hating been accidentally poisoned by arsenic :- , ... . . 10 . ; General Bepprt of ^ tho Brifish College of B ^ alUi for .-. 1850 . : ' -, .. ' . . ' . ¦ . :. ..- ( .-Zr . y ,: < "' ,. ; :, " '' 11 . Principles of the Hygeian System of Medicine . . 12 . Letter to the LordBi ^ op of London pn ^ . tiie Sanitary 13 . TheBiseandp ' re ^ WbftheBntish C < 4 Ie ^ ofH £ dtb . . ^ doav ^ ibushedlw . Jhe Britiih Cojiege ^ of HealJQi , Seir-VKO . ¦¦ 'RiH ? 2 £ ' 6 i ' ' ' ¦ "'"

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      " , o . 7 \ - ¦ - . "¦ mmi % ' J ^^ 'tr ^' i ' Jt ' HOUSE OF'IORDS ;—This house Bat for a short timej and disposed of some routine and uriimpBrtant'busineBB . - ^ - . ^'' . ' - - j ^ . - ' -j .-ii Wa ' . ' . u ' '^ Vi 5 i \\ HOUSU ^ OFjCOMMONS . -Tbk New Housk .-Mfc B . O 5 b 6 bnb , after alluding : to the long delay which had interposed between the members of the House-of Commons , " and * their " possession- of the chamber preparing for them in the' new palace of

      legislature , inquired whether the disputes between the architect of the . houBe and'the yehtilatbr . ( Mr . Barry and Dr . Reid ) were in process of settlement , and if it were true that an action for defamation was pending before the law courts ; brought against the last-namedgentlcmanby Mr . Barry . ' - ¦ : i > ¦ ¦ ¦; ; Mr . GREESBstated that the committee of which he was chairman had done their utmost to cbmpsse the differences between the gentlemen'named / as well as to prevent the - dispute from' delaying the completion of the NewHouses of Parliaments

      : - Mr . Osbobhb ' gave , notice , much to the amusement of the house , of a motion designed , as he stated , to get rid . both of Mr . "Barry and Dr . Reid for the time to come . >¦ - - i , j , i . . " jNioobrs' / -. is TaB- ' , " -pta& " -- RKroBtio . —Mr . Cockbors called . the attention of the Foreign Secretary to thi > recent case of the negro seaman who . was forcibly , removed from a British vessel on its arrival iu Charleston harbour , arid kept in prison the stay of . his ship in that port : ' He inquired if the government had anylinfonnation ' . on the ; subject / :.. ; ¦¦ ¦ . ¦ ' '¦ ¦ ¦ ¦• . : <' . ¦ ! ii . ' . ' m . ¦¦ t ' : ¦¦ ¦¦ ;;

      Lord Palmbrstos lamented that tho subject was bynomeaus . newto her Majesty ' s Government ; it was an undoubted fact that in' the states of South Carolina ; and - Louisiana . ' ' every coloured' man , whether foreigner : or citizen of another' state , might be seized and imprisoned . -In 1847 her ' Majesty ' s Government had ordered our minister at Washington to vemonstVate with the government of the United States against a law- - which was-not onl y inconsistent with the comity of nations but at variance with the treaty ; of ¦ 1815 ; and the ' answer was , that the Federal Government had no power to ' induce the ' Legislature of South Carolina'toalter its municipal law , and that , if the British * Government insisted upon its rights under the treaty ; the government of the . United States would find the matter so difficult , if not impossible , to deal with , tliat it would be _ obliged to take advantage of the stipulation which gave liberty to either party to put an end to the treaty of 1815 . upon twelve months ' notice . . . '¦ ¦ : •¦ : ' : " . . ' -. ; : ¦ ;• ¦ . Savikgs Basks . —The CuASCFxiba- of the Ex-CHKQriER then moved for leave to bring ; in a Bill for amending the law relating" to Sayings ] Baiiks . He observed that although alragrced ih the necessity of some further legislationnpori thisrsubject , there was great diflSculty in- dealing with a system which bad grown up from small voluntary associations , commenced about forty years since ; untilthe amount deposited in savings banks amounted now fo . upwards of < . 28 , 000 , 000 . The necessity of legislation arose ; not only ; from the number ' of . these banks nnd the macriirude of the'Yunds , biitifrom ah evil inherent in all voluntary associations—namely , the decay of zeal , and the consequent want 6 t prompt and vigilant supervision , the laxity of attendance

      on the part of trustees and managers throwing top much ' ' power ' ihtothe harids' of the secretary of actuary ; ¦ The Bill he proposed , to'bring'iii was entirely prospective ! The existing law , ' which took uway all liability from the trustees of Saving Banks , required them . to transmit the depbsitsto th ^ Cominissiohers of the National Debt , 'who invested the ' money in the public funds , and the government then became responsible for . the money , thus transmitted to them , and no more—annual accounts being required'to be furnished by the trustees , of the banks , ' though monthly acccounts were 'in fact rendered . All the control ' 'whichthW Commissioners of the ; NationalDeljt had over these institutions was , that they could close their accounts and

      refuse to receive any furth ' er nioniesfrom them ; thcyi hud no power or authority ^ 'to'interfere with the management of the banks ' : or . the : appointment of their officers . He did not think it would be right to ; leave those establishments just as they ' were , arid to' lay any responsibility upon' tlie goyerhment ; and :: ion the other hand ; -if 4 he government assumed the . right , of . appointing , all the officers of the b ' anks , it would destroy the valuable pvinciple upon ¦ which these institutions were founded ; .- Proposing to takeupb ' n GovernhienttKe responsibility of the receipt and payment of-monoy ; the bijl rejiealed the present law enacting that the treasurer should receive no emolument , and it gave the Comniis 3 ioiier 3 of ' ' the NatiohHl' DebT the

      appointment ot . that omcer , to-who and by whom all monies . would be paid , the . bill . making it a misdemeanour in any officer of a sayings baijk other than the treasurer to receive ' any ' deposits . ' ¦ Tne b " ill also repealed the clause in -the act of 1844 which' took away the liability of trustees , who would . be . responsible for their , own . acts aud . those , of their appoiutces . Sir C . Wood then explained the proposed system of audit by a ' comparison' of the depositors' books with the ledger , the auditors being subject to an inspection , by an officer appointed by the" Uommissioijers of the National Debt .. .. The next object was to provide ' against the loss which' tlie State sustained ( from these banksj of which' large depositors availed themselves . ito deposit when . the

      prices of the funds were high , and to withdraw their deposits ' when they were low . ' ^ e proposed to reduce the limit of the amount of ; idep ' osittd ' £ 100 , allowing the- depbsitor'to invest that sum , . through tfie ^ medium . of ; the bankj in , the , funds , when fee might begin depositing , again . The annual loss j of the Government at the present rate of . interest was £ 42 , 000 : he proposed , therefore , to reduce tlie r ;( te froin : ; 3 s ., & . , to . £ 3 . 1 . per \ eiint . * . toi . the . ? banks , and 2 s .. 15 s . to . the depositors .. These rates would secure " ,, the Government , against loss and cover the . expense ' ¦ of "' , the / . management ! He proposed , also , to limit the privilege of investing in the names of trustees . .. That . was a privilege which had . been grossly abused : parties had in vnsterf

      money . in the name of . some , ono else , sometimes their children , purely , nominal ' trustees , so as . to avail themselves ofthe Savings Bank Act to an amount beyond the ' limit intended . , He ' p ' roposed there should be no investing in the name of a trustee except ( as we undcMoOd ) in case of infancy , or lunacy , idiocy , or unsbundness oi mind . The only othei main , provision of the bill . to , which hewould call the atfention of the house related to a point to which . great ; value was attached by many partiesthe hon . member for Stroud for . instance—namely extendtngthe power of . grantingannuities . ; At present , undpr the act of . 1833 , , they could not be granted , under £ 4 , and one of , tho' stipulations was that if before ' the commenced

      annuity the party died , tor \ failed in ; the , series , of ^ payments , . which might form the consideration j- the money he had paid should be returned ., toi him . pr his represehtatives ; . but ,,-to . recover , tliis contin ' gencyj the rate of premium was so , high , that no , great aniount of annuities was granted . , He should not propose to disturb the existing power pf ,, granting annuities under that system ,, but to add a power of purchasing annuities under , other ' . conditions : l tlfl e . . proposed as to the -new annuities , that ! th ' ere , should be no power of purchasing them by means of instalments , but to countervail that he would reduce the amount of annuity that inigkt be contracted for . toJEl . ' ., He proposed that there ' should , be no return of the

      money in case of the death of the party before the aunuity became payable ; and ! this , " oi . course , would permit some reduction of the , rate . The mode in which he expected this plan to work . was , that parties could accumulate such a sum in a savings bank as would enable . ' them :, to " , purchase " an annuity of , £ 1 , and then , having purchased that , go on accumulating more money ! in . the . ijank till they could purchase another such , aiinuiiy , , " still limitin < r the whole amount as at present .. This , he believed , would extend the system without any : difficulty , or risk . ' It bad been also ' pressed upon him , but for some time he thought it almost . impossible , that there should he a power of providing for tho-payment of a snin at death ; that if a person wished

      to provwe a certain sum to be payable to his family at death , he should , have the power of purchasing the right tolhave ^ bat . payment , inade accordingly . The difficulty , ' of , c _ ourse , arose from the risk of bad ljvea being named , insurance offices haying more power tliangovernmentcouldhave ofaacertainingtne soundness of liveg , ' and , great frauds having been committed notwithstanding ^ . . It had been . suggested to him , that the party should be obliged at the same time to purchasea present or deferred anntiity upon tho same life , oni the dropping of whiolj thesuni proposed was to lie payable ; and , as the one transaction would gire tho party an interest in naming a bad and the other ; a good life , ; the governmeni would be insured from loss by providing that the

      sum payable , at death should depend upon the amount paid in respect- . of it and the annuity jointly . He ' proposed also ^ to give power to purchase ; an annuity to a man's widow or children after his doath . ( Hear , hear . ) . There were some further provisions iq the bill , but , they were of no very , great importance , and after the length at which he had tresi passed upon the time of the house . he , would not go into them . ' The bill would be before the house , and he should be happy to afford information upon any points on which it . might'be required . ; ( Hear , hear . ) fhwwas . a question into . which-no , party , feeling could enter—( hear , hear 1—everv member must ho

      actuated 1 by . an , earnest desire to pfomoto the wel-™™ - . those for whose saie Savings Bank were inn ^ Tfr <^ V . hear . )! , He should rely , therefore , ' anu . ne should he most , happy to receive suggestions S lihlJT-J i ? W ° •» Perfect a ahape as sSii ' n . Wff > i- BW > wto the . ; , u 8 e ^ Ineis of ^^^ pJiSlrl li ^^ PSf ^

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      m ^^ m ^ m ^ frjS& fy ^ - W . e ^ e ' n ^^ hagkpni — S §^ ^ " ? Vano ' usde'tails ^ the pro-^ SS ^^^^^^ SsiSjeSi ^ ° & § iv ^^ ' *? contenvpiaK ^ ; . ^ : ; : ; :.,:: -i-1 & 3 & 9 V T ^ ° ^ tliafin formrryears an enormous number of hiivinw'ii ^ eoiKvii . v . ^' . ^ if j n ' Y ' ; nt' t' f j ri 7 i "' \^^^^^^^^^^^^^^?

      , ^? r-vr ^ ' ^^ W ^««*' - ' ^ -wv ^' ^ fir ^ i ' - *? # ye > riiegoverninent pur ^ : ¦ ff l S& ? aib ?^ : » ^^> Mr . J . Crawford : cbmp ! aine d . tliat no hopeVof . reBfc ^ tl 0 JS HL ° V ° h » B % foi'tuna (; e constituents of Rochdale of tho , large suras lost through tho di ' s : honesty ot the SavitigVBimk ' actWry . . Tlie . deposK tor ^ ha 4 . . . endeluded by ' thesemblance of adouiile r ^ on ^ i ^ y rflrttfwmthe ^ i ^; ana / Ma'ii . tfj .. from the government , both of which had turneaout fiyllacious ., . •• " ¦ ¦ ' • ¦ .- ¦ ...- < . j- •¦ - ;! ; ' Mr . FAaAJ ? alsq argued . the ' iioint ' in thn mterest of

      the depositors ,, who , he alleged , ' ' bad ,, committed tl I cir W . ? * % 'believed , to the sdfekeeping ff ^^^^^ f ^ wliosesplvehcyHho government had made themselves responsible ilr . GROOAN-f pllowedonthe , same 8 ide . ' " : iir ' -TT * J ' fe . tted - tWat the amount of interest allowed upon deposits had been reduced . 'As oneof the tax-paymg _ , nublic , he should have ' been willing ¦ & th ^ ir S ^ - ^? ? i ' . 'f ? Wi : remunenition for their savnigs His objection extended / also to the narrower 1 nutation now proposea for the maximum deposit allowe ^ to any mdividual in -the savings bank . ¦ : ' . , . . " ¦ ¦ ; , ¦' . ¦¦" . ¦

      . $ & }? && *?* . appealed ' % tho ' jovernment i On behalf of the . depositora in the Scai ; bprqugh Sayings ¦ Jlr . H . Herbert made some general observations upon the foregoing adthinistrati pii : of tKe savings banks . He contended that the government were morally , and , , % ally ' responsible , for , ' the nioncy lost to . tbe depositors'through ' . the dishonesty of the officials . ' ;';' . ' ; . ' '' , ' .. ; . " ¦ " ., .- ' . ' ' Mr . Bankes wished that tlie ' government inteiference for the protection of the depositors had been . otteredsooner . " ' . ^ - .. .

      Col . Thom ? son laid the claim , of the defrauded depositors as against the . cburitry , rather . than- the government ; and . trusted that the country would not complain if called upon ' to repay ; the loss , The ^ HANCEiLoR ofthe Exchequer replied ; , He objected to allow the savings banks , " dopbsitst to be yested jit pleasure in ExohequerVBUU , on tlie principle that any increase | n . the floating debt was impolitic . As to the cases of . default / , the i Committee appointed last session wouldbo revived , in ordev ' tb receive the jeport . dvawn up" upon the subject -and until then a ' njr . opinipn touching the liability of the goyernment ' . wbuld be , pi ; emature . ' .. ¦ ¦¦)"' . " , ' vM ave . was ' then given to bring in the bill . ' , EccLEsiASTicAi ' .. C 6 MMissfbN . ~! Sir " G . Grby " . in

      moving the , second reading .. of . the ^ VEcclesia ' stieal Commission Bill ( which had come , 'from the Lords ) , gave an outline , of its objects and' the general nature f- . Us maiti . provisions . .. The " , bill ,, he , ' . said , " was founded upon tho rccpinmeridati phibf the ' comimttee appointed , in . ¦ 1847 / ' and ^ appointed -in 1848 , the goyevnmeni concurring with tjie . cprnVnittee ,. that lecomposition of . thejcommission . lwas uhfayourable to the efficient ; 'discharge ' of the . various and important . busmess . placeil by ' / . parliament , ' in the hands o ^ the Cohjmissionbrs . " j Tlio , jb ' ill . provided for the . appointment by the Crown of two jay cbnimii sioriers , to be called ChurcI ^ Estate . s . Cphimissipners , the' -first to be a' , ' paid ^ commissipner ; and ' one Episcopal Commissibrier , alsopaid ; tb ' beanDoint '

      > y the Archbishop of ! Canterbury . " , ^^ The Chur ch Sstates Cpmniisstpners were' to be a committee , ' to be called ' the Estates Committee , to ; manage-the property of tlio Commission . ; . . Amongst the lnihpr provisions was one . which' separated the-, duties' of treasurer and se ' ci-etjiry , the former . office to [ be executed by two of the Estates Cpmmissionersi" ^ Vith reference to two provisions in the bill as passed by the House of Lords—one relating to tho consoiidation of the episcopal and common funds , the other concerning the eridowmehts . of , pertain" deaneries r-Sir George stated it was the intention of the government to . propose to restore , tlia bill ,. to . the' state in which it was before being altered in these particulars by the House of Iiords . "' , " . '

      Mr . HonsMANbelieved th ' at ^ the . bill , ' as . . vnieasure of eccjcsiasticalreform , was not . such as the'irbvefn .- ' ment desir , e'd , but such ' as lhey ! had been ableI ' . to carry , through t > ne House of Lbrds'i 'deformed' by , " a variety of concessions wresiod from . . . them by . 'fbe opposition of the prelates . ' A ! mbng the ' ack ' ribwledged , faults of the Eccle ^ astical . Cbm ' missibn was its oversize .- ' . This ault was ' not ' remedied . ; , i » n tlie contrary , ' the -number of meaVbjers . was ^ ¦ increased from 49 to 51-. ' Another fault ' was ; the' jreponilerating weight , ' of ' the clerical element ; " ' which " was . also left unrectified ; Tho committee of , inftuiry had recommended the ap . p ointment ' ofthree ' paid . ctomiss % ers , ivishirig ' to lntroduceth ' einnbvatiott . of , payment . with '' the niu tufal accpmpanimeht . of ^ . responsibility . By the bill the number of

      p ' aidcommissioneis were reduced to twoj one 6 f , wlioiu' jy as to ' . be a ppbin'ted 'by the A ' vch-! i 8 u 0 PJ ° / Can terbury ,. ' alth ' bugh ; the pri ^ whole episcopal . bench . remained themselyes ' pri ' the commission' ,, arid thus held , a [ yiftual ; riiprippbly pf . in . fluenceat tnp bbavtl . This ! cdnclusion . |* ne . honi ' , ; tneiriber 8 trehgtheried ' by examining' the ^ . ' constitution ! bf the Estates : Comtnittee ,. ' ana ' conienQed ' that the ' gqlh tiry lay paid cbnimissio ' ner . would be utterly ( : pvefpovrered , being left in a minority . ofvbh' 6 , to ., tiiree on the ' . cpnimittee ,,. and '' jot Vone . ' to '' fifty ' . in ^ thie general meetings , of . 'the ecclesiastical cbmniissioners . \ In ; i . £ snpresent sh ' ape . jin ., fact * the : measure was' jo mistaken and imperfect . tliat he should counsel its " roiedtion , ' rather , than adopt it unamended

      , '" Asiristancesof the ' extrayagahep and mismahagemeut of ' other ecclesiastical ' bbarys , '' be gave some minute . details of ' th p cqmmissibris !^ or ' . ' church" building j ' vnd ' . the administration of Queen Anne ' s Bounty . . ' . ' * 8 , 000 a year ' was wasted upon those two * boardp , which . might 1 , 'be , ' adv ' ahtager ously consolidated , with thie ' . EcqlesiasticaU' Commission . . 'With' respe ' et . to . that body , " he . advocated first ;! tho ' restoration . of the " third , paid cbmmissibner aboriginally intended in th * e ^ 'present bill ! N . ext he' / arguedj ' . that ' . * the" business . -. to ! 'be done was ; purely , secular , the episcopal , ' . bench , had ' no right to seats amongst its members . ' The church did not consist of the ( bench ' . of , bishops ' . '' ' Its propertyliad been robbed iii former ages by kiiies and

      nobles , and' wa ^ since abstraqted by ecolcsiastical coinmissionB . , ' The prelate ' s ¦ wererepresentedVthere , andtheir interests-prptected . but no care ' was taken and . no voice raisjpdin-thg ' cpmmiM chial clergy . ' . Upon '' a board" fbr . ^ miriistering teniporalities ; , thp bishop ' s had no proper "d . uties ; they had most important dutiesi calling them elsewhere ' to the perfprmahce of tho' vaijious offices' appertaining tOj thoir sacred vocatibn ; ; Tho hbnl member then drew irpprtrait of thefathers , of the ^ churcli . as they ought ; to bp ,, contrasting it with' tho'lputlinb ' . indicated in ' the presenthilj ; iwhich . he " designated a ' / bishops '; bill , " . and ! showed . that it inirrored back the prelates ( is they ought not to be . ' ' " . '' , : Mr .: GdutBouRN .. complained that the hon , mom '

      uer had / travelled . i put of the rocoW , in order to vituperate the conduct of tlio prelate ' s , winch / was notund ^ r question in the bill before' them . " The ecclesiastical conimission had originated with the bishops , and ' one of its first acts was to repluco the episcopal incomes and apply'the mbrieythussayed to church . ind ' educational uses ; / He denied that the ' spiritual duties of tlie / , prelates , could 'be' properlv performed if they were deprived , bf their temporal dignities ; If the eniscopal functions were less adequately , fnlfillednow than in times past , the " reason was iiotbecause the . bishops " were unfaithful , but because they ' were so few in comparison with tlie multiplying flocks whom they ' had to oversee . . No fair comparison / could be drawn on the subject of

      emoluments between the incomes paid" out of the taxes , or earned in a profession / and those derived from property ^ bequeathed , for a particular purpose by . the piety pf our aricestprs ' . ' ' : Mi- . jE . DKNispH . hoped that , by . dint of ' wina amendment ,, it would be possible to make the bill a good and efifectual . measure after all . ., Lord J . RbssEtt submitted that no objection had been offered to the second reading of the bill . All ' the controversy had turned upon points that could only be settled in committee . The reduction of the three paid commissioners to two , which -had been so much censured , ' was . merely ah arrangement of detail , founded upon the conBideraliou that no sufficient business existed to . iustifv . theannointmfint nf

      three paid , officials . Except on account of the expense the change was immaterial , arid the committee might reverao . it ., He confessbd , however , " that he was notaltpgethor satisfied witli ' some of the alterations effected by the prelates during theprogross ofthe bill in the other house . , ' ; , . Mi \ B . Osborne made a vigorous onslaught on Mr . Goulburn . " What te rose for was . to call attehtion to the most extraordinary , language-used towards the hon . member for Cockerniouth . ' , ( Hear , , near . ) They . had heard the sneer , which had been throw-out from the opposite side ofthe house about "the laboured eloauBnnB " , nf . lii » hAn . frinn / i

      ( Hear , hear . ) Now , he ( Mr . Osborne ) Jiad listened to the labour , but had heard very little eloquence in the speech of . t . he right hon . gentlemnn ( Mr . Goulburn ) , ; , > vho had taken four weeks to concoct it , nn answer . to a speech deliyei-ed by his , hoAi friend ( . Mr . florsraan . ) , He had , to congratulate tho-rightihob . gentleman on , his : labour rather , than on-hia , elor quence ,, for & speech . mbrc tainted . with . vituperation and Jes , s pregnant , with . argument ,,, herhad nevev hea ^ r ( . M | W ^ ar . and-a jaugh . ) a The right hon gentler aan ]^!^ bad ; nothing ; to do , with , the churoh ^ i ^ jwAs ^ Uh delight he Baa heard the noble lord lay ( jown the

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      contrary doctrine It might be , very well , for an BcclewMtwil my- > nberjtQ , make such a ' spebohto th ' e Bpmmissioners who were sitting under the eallerv ^ vjinfong his e . ye . to . them , all , th . ? Jime ,. as much as to say , J" See what i } . ppeech Lamfaking , Jor , you ;" but as to laying down such doctrines now , ' he would say , ' to the riifht hon . , gei ; tleman" ;'' . Tell that , to the Marines-rtliei sailors -won ' t ' believe yoiii" ( Hear ; he ' arjand . spin ^ jlaughter . ); Heloertainly-was'sur ' - priT'bd to hear . piipwho had been , a ^ Min ister . throw oiitsucha . 'H jWr iji'ed taunt against . thohon . member fbVvCofciiennoiitJ ! , ' . Tjid / Hght hon .. gentleman said , ' !> You afo a'disiippohited man—you expected to be a / Cab'ih ' et ' JiIiiii !< t ' er : " ( TIertr , hear . ) no did riol r ^^^^?? T'" '' T' '' ^^^^^^^^^ T ^ mi '' am P ^^ ' ' * m ^~~^ Kmmma

      think that caiiu ^ with a / very good grace from' one ' wiiS had beeiv tiivl like atiri-kottle to the tail of the i ri g hii . lion . - member for Tamworth ( laughter , and ; CM 0 S j 0 f ilS . p . lhlioiii" ) so that in . the several changes ' , pfthe right , iHvi-ibiu-onet ( Sir R . Peel ) , as ho ran jfran >! ohe . Bidei o {' , t . l > e . houso . tptheothor , they : alw . ays lieard the lin-l { ottio , r . ittling behind him . ( Renewed laughtcVa ' ni' so ' mc iiiunnurs , ) The man . who .. had y % 5 , % 'jiisiJCafcl > 61 i /' . Emancipatibn ' ono , ' day and . yote ^ for it ' : t ] Ve next ; who Had voted ' against'freo . trade toidny anU voted for it to-morrow , " turn ' ed round to his hon ; friend ; and because ho ( MriHorsman ) had . aiieceu . led in taking a stand in the country whoi ; e the rig |( t Iron .-gentleman had not succeedea ui gottuigajootinfr , snid , "Youare a disappointed maiijbeeause yon are not . a .. Cabinet- Minister . He

      \ Mr ., u » uonu ') oould not sit in his place and hear a taunt so low—so imVorthy " the . representative of Oiunbn ( lp ; o ,, witliout , uiiterinij his protest against it . , Thisbro ' u ' nht up ' ' ' ' :. ' "• . . . Sir Vt . II . fKous ; who spoke with , some warmth / ne saHlj ^ the-hoir . - iina gallant officer ( Mr . Osbprne ) had fulfilled tins ' promise ofhis opening speech ; He declared he - could not speakon the merits of the bill , and . that promise at least ; he had fulfilledj ^ for not one . wonl , hu « l fdllen from him either as to its principle or as to its details . But ( continued the hmv baronet ) , the hon . and gallant member has said that aright hon . . member of this house has , used'low [ language . , I appeal to you / Sir , if you havo ever heard such language used to anv other

      hon . member as has been recently addressed to the right hon memli ' er for the University of Cambridge by , the hon . and gallant member —( cheers )—' addressed by . him to one his . equal in everything—his superioran . ' ^ station—in talent—in temper—in eloquon'ce , ( Cheurs , andcries of' ' Oh ! " ) He denied that ! the c , l ' orgy : were stipendiary servants whose saliir j ies' were to be allotted by parliameHt . ' AH the Actwbulddb ' wiis tb leave them a littlemore of their , own . He told the hon ; member that older far than ! any of ; our- nobility was the property ofthe Bishop of London within five miles of the house . ¦ . ( V . Qh , oh . l " . and : a laugh . ) That property had been ; in t . he ; . possession of the see of " London . 1 ; 300 years . ( ' Oh ! " and a laugh ) Certainly above

      , 1 . 200 years .,- ( An lion . Membebi—Since the daysibf . the : Refprmiiitipn ?) ' . I am asked ( said :, the tisn . ' baronet , ' turning to the bench behind' him )' by ' . ah hon . JmembVr who has' ^ 'I take it for ' grah'ted , sv ( orn to jn aiht ' airi the property of the church / if these pb ' s- ' sessions-have not only belonged to the see of London sinqi ; the days of the Reformation . I tell him they have belonged to . the see of london since the year 6 iO . ! , ( y » 9 Ji « s-oh . ! " , and , a . laugh . ) . I don't kriovv if he has . the ; unhajpiness to disagree with the Bishop of London in'the ' views he takes of religion . (" . Oh ' Oh " ;!' : ' ' , aiid Vendwed laughter . )' . Iain not to be ' put ^ pwnb'f cries of "Oh" from those who would never have beeh ' admitted into this house but ' for the too easy ! credulity bf '" some of my right- hbn . friends .

      ( Liiughter , ' mingled with renewed " Ohs ! " and cries of > " Order ! ' Order ! " ) Tho hbn . member for Cockermouth appears to be uniformly in the situation j of tho ^ se . unhappy , men to whom , the sight of wiite ' r is ah eyil ' producing strugglGSiUid ' convulsipns . Nothing will relieve ' him from his paroxysm but the removal . ' of the object of' his dislike . ( Mr . Hobsman made- a remark which " was ' inaudible . ] T Thave received so habitually the indulgence of the House whe ^ i I i address them -that-1 should be- the last ito . ' Compliiin of interruption , ' but ; I own it isnjoro than usually difficult to go on , when 8 pun | ds , oxcltimations ,. and addresses to ; myself proceed from the lion , gentlemen " behind me . jThere was' one expression - used by the rJibn . ' member , ' to ( he effect' that , the' commission was

      universally condemned . ( Cheers . ) ; : He' ( Sir U . Iriglis ) happened not to be able to identity the persons' from whom those' cheers proceeded ;' - but ' lie " was happy to know that they proceeded from three persons only . ( Ironical , cheers , and laughter . ) "Ncnyj whether they were the / voices of tho . three tailors '; bf Toqle ' y-street , he k ' new ' not- ( loud laiigh-. ter , )^ -but certainly . " thiit expression hadnot-been sanctioned by more than three members of the House . -He was not called on to defend 'tho comrmissibn . lie did not belong to- if , and ho , had 'deprecated its creation and- constitution ;'' but ' he njiust ; say- that if the bishops were not stipendiaries , but nroprifitprsi'ho saw 'ho' reason why " they should not be pevmHted tpsit at a board pvofcssing'tb administer their-affairs ' . ¦> .- ¦¦ > . ¦

      / Sir B . ' lUtt having ; moved thai the debate bo adjourned ; : . ¦¦ •• ; : ; " ' .- ¦ ; -. .: iv . ^' lVlv . ' Sidnet Herbert deprecated the continuation of a " , chttf eh con troversy in 'the spirit ' - then' apparent . in th ' e house , nnd wished the measurb"fo' be ^ eii t in at : once tollie conimitfee , where the' amendments . suggested could bepropeiiy considered . ' ' , ' - , . Softie discussion on thepropviety bf adjournment followed , in the course of which Mr : Horsman gave ; Mr . Goulbuvn " : t : Buwland : "for his Oliyei , " 'after . calling upon him 1 to sire his authority fortheiri ' sihuatipn . that lie was a disappointed mah in not Having ' ¦ jeen ! made ' -a'Cabinet ' 'Minister—he ^ continued Ile . would not Tenturo-to banrty-aocusations with the , right honourable . gentleman — he would not

      contrast his cbndiict onthe Opposition side' of the jfi ' ouse with what it had been , on . that ( tbe , Minisr ts |; iaj ) side . / , The '' rfght honourable ' gentleman was I'he ,., chairipi qn' [' p t . the' church ' , ' and ' . he wbuia hot jherefqre ,. / re . hiina liirn * ,: that at his : Jast " election , he was only / saved from ; defeat'by- ' the ' magnanimity pf his ' . oppbrierit ! . ' No ' man ' s career was , jiideedj nioi-e ' o ' p / en ' ito ' . ' rehiark / than that of . the . right lionpurable gentle ' miin /; 'He / respected the honourable member , bplpw him ' ( Sir'R : Ing ' lis ) , " becaiis ' ehe . knew hq , w honest and how pure were that hpnoui-ablo barbnot ' s niptiyc 8 . ; , He :, ( Sir - -U .. IngHs ) ' was as firm , as / the church ho ; defended , but the . right' honburabje gep ,-tlernan was' ^ l iKo / the : wcathercdek on the ' steeple . ^ Ch ' eersrand ' laughter . ) / TheTight honourable goh-Uemarf had'followed the promptings of a party—he had fpllpWed ' . tlie' dictation of . a leader—but he had

      never tbeii /' cliargeable with ' having followed his convictionVsince ho had had a seat in that Housed ( ; A ' laugh ';)/ He would not . say that the right hon . f ehtleiiian had served his country , but at least he ad ' earned his pension . He would , in conclusion , remind him ofthe advice which Jiiriius gave to Sir " ^ . 'Draper :-i' 'Either regulate your future conduct so as to be able to set the . most * malicious inquiries at defiance , or , if that bo a'lost- ' bope . ' at least have prudence enough not to attract'the public . attention to a character which will only piiss without censure when it passes without observation . " ( A laugh ;) " , L ' ord J . Rcssell interposed , and paid both ' gentlemen-a compliment , after which Mi- ' . Goulburri retracted . The amendment was -withdrawn , the billre ' ad a second time , and after disposing of the other lorders ; - the' House adjourned at ' a quai'ter past . ouo o clook ; - ' ¦ ¦ •' ' ¦¦ ¦ ' •• : ¦ '

      -- ;¦ :-.. . ' TUESDAY , Aprii , 30 . " , HOUSE OP LORpS .-Their lordships sat about an hour , haying , principally occupied that time in a conyersation on the , manner in which the money had bfce ' n expended iihder the Labour Rate Act in IrelandV , •¦ " ' ' " - " , ' . ' , ' •] ,, The' Marquis ; : pf "WESiJiEAra , who ' mb . re ' d for returns of money advanced in'tlio barony , df Delvin , strongly " cbnaeriine'd 'the " extravagant and injurious . way in . which"it ' had' been applied ., The returns ' werobrde ' red ., ' . " V

      ^ vHOUSE COMMONS . —Free Tdade Staiis'xics ^ ln / rep'ly tb / Mr . Newdegate , i : Mv , \ IiABoupuERE vindicated the accuracy of the ii'B , bavd of . Trade' returns relative to the imports bf corn ; which that hon . member , had impugned , and asserted that the alleged error in those returns was in reality caused by his own confusion of the dates and tariffs included in those returns . ' ' ' ' A Snuo Little Job . —SirB . HALLentered into a statement respecting a sineeure ' oflice attached to the Prerogative Court of Canterbury Cathedral , whose revenues * amounted to between £ 10 , 000 arid £ 14 , 000 per annum , and to which ( although the late Archbishop ' of Canterbury had , from conscientious 1

      scruples , ' left the omco vacant ) the present primate had nominated a relative ol'his own . Thehon . baronet inquired as to the truth of this stateme'rit ' and . whether any act was in preparation to regulato oi ' abolish ecolesiastie sinecures . ; . Lord J ; Russell acknowledged tho accuracy of Sir B , i Hall ' s statement ; Lord Canterbury has the firstireversiori , he boing nominated by his father when Arohbishops and when the present premate came into 'office ; findingtlmt Dr , Howley had not nominated a person to the vacancy , ho had given it to Jus son a young man now studying in tho temple ( Heaiv hear , and laughter ) ' His lordship added that ^ tho whole question of ecclesiastical appoint , ments was under the scrutiny of a committee which might probably jcsult eithevin tho ¦ iboliiiS

      tne . offlco indicated , or at all events a large ' reduc . tion in , its emoluments . ( Cheers )' ¦ ' - " ° taSSffip ^^ . *^^^* _ RRDlICTi pN- OF SAURIBS AND * WaOE 8 OF ' PUBUO bERVANTs . ~ Mr . Henley moved an address to the trown ; to ; direoi ' . a' 'careful revision ofthe' salaries andi . w . ages . m' every / . department of the public service , with avie * ff to aiu 8 tandadeQiiatere duotipn otthem- ' After acurBOry ^ notice ^ of tho 'ihquiries-bf this naturo : whioh- haa been instituted' under' the nuthority - of Parliaiiiehtifi'omU 821 untirthb select oommittee 8 / of-1848 i he pbserred that'Eord / J ^ Rus . seu-had the / othernightproppse'd tp ^ efer ; tbi . a committeej the ' salaries in three branches of the ' piiblib ' service , namely , those of porsons holding seats in Parliament those in the diplomatic service , and

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      those ofjudioialofSccrs ; - '' Each of these branches , however , -stood uponspecial'grqundsj whilst the grcatmass of ' thecTvil'exEenditure was . left un ' touohed . 'if Parliament deemed it right that these three branches Bhp ' uld' b ' e 6 ulijectedto' inquiry * why •' shoufd' the rest ; esca ' p ' e' revisionT" The total . amount bt salaries and wages paid'inthe Customai Excise ,. Stamps' : abd-fTaxes , ^ Post-office , Crown Lands , and - other 'departments , in 184849 ' was A . 4 , 327 , 000 , not a farthing of which oame under the revie . w of Parliament / If to this sum were added those civil salaries andwages which were annually ' submitted to Parliament ; namely , £ 2 , 647 , 000 , the amount was £ 6 , 974 , 000 . ; But this was not all ; there wore salaries under the control of the

      Government paid out ofthe Exchequer to county court viudges and officers in the courts of law amounting to ¦ not ¦ less than £ 500 , 000 ; so that ; the gross aggregate was £ 7 , 500 , 000 a year , ! exceeding ty £ 1 , 000 , 000 the whole expenditure for ' the effective force of tho army navy and ordnance . Mr . Henley then enterod upona . minute analysis of the alleged reductions iu the revenue departments 'during preceding years , the superannuations , &c , and contended that the ' country had not gained the advantage it had aright to expect from the modifications made in our ' system of taxation , so that , at all events , the reveriuo branch of the expenditure ought to be revised . The ; great alteration of late years in the value of money , and the continued decrease in the rate of interest , lowering profits , rendered all . fixed , incomes more valuable ; and although he did ' not say that our legislation for the last thvee or

      four years had been carried on- 'with the view ' of securing such a state of things , it had had tho effect of establishingJow . prices . He then showed from statistical facts that the reality of distress and the pressure-upon' -trade , - which wore further demonstrated by the state of prices . In 1828 the official value of our exports was £ 52 . 000 , 000 , the declared value £ 36 , 000 , 000 ; in 1848 their official value was £ 132 , 000 , 000 , the declared value £ 52 , 000 , 00 . The depreciation of our , home products had extended , in many cases , to twenty-five per cent . Having thus shown the amount of salaries excluded from the consideration of the government committee , that thoro was a general cry for more work and loss money ; and that there had been a great and general reductioh-in the cost of all the necessaries and luxuries of life , ho thought he had laid a sufficient ground to induce Parliament to revise , in , a [ spirit of just and true economy , this large branch of the public expenditure . -

      , „ ' The Chancellor of the Exchequer said , in many of the statements and views of Mr . Henley he concurred , and if he thought there was any ground for accusing the present government and its predecessors of neglect of their duty to make every practicable reduction of salaries , he should be almost disposed to acquiesce in his motion . But Lord- 'j " .-Russell , on a preceding evening , had- shown- the large reductions which had been progressively effected , during a series of years , in the civil ' "departments , so that the motion would convey a censure ' altogether undeserved . Mr . Henley had deviated into tho subjects of exports and prices ; in the former , he had erred through a misapprehension of facts , forgetting tho effect of machinery , and with

      respect to depreciations , the cost of many items entering largely *! into the expenditure of families had increased , or not materially diminished : meat was higher in 1849 . than in ; . l 843 , and potatoes nearly double tho price . In spite of the difficulties of oarrying out reductions of salaries and wagesfor those who" voted for such reductions in the house not infrequently complained to the government of their cruelty—much had been done , not always by diminishing individual salaries , which was not" true and just economy , " but generally by reducing the number ' of persons employed , from whom a greater amount of labour was exacted . Sir C . Wood stated the / retrenchments which had been effected in various ^ ublic establishments , and this in the face . of a considerable annual increase of business . From re-, turns obtained by Colonel Sibthorp , it was ' proved that between 1815 arid 1835 the schedule of salaries

      had been reduced from £ 3 , 700 , 000 to' a little " more tluw £ 2 , 700 , 000 . In tlie three departments , of the treasury , customs , and inland revenue , a saving Had been effected of more than £ 60 , 000 since 1821 . ne showed that other great establishments were not conducted at « a less expense than those of . the government , the Salaries paid by the Bank ' of England ( £ 211 , 000 ) being only £ 27 , 000 less than those of thegreat offices of government , whilst the Great Western Railway Company , had . proved by experiment that excessive reduction of salaries waa false ' economy . The government , therefore , having acted , and still acting , upon principles of true economy , he did not ask the house , to negative the principle of the motion , but , as it involved a censure upon the government which was undeserved , he moved the previous : question . . ;; . ! 'Colonel Sibxhorp and Mr . Nkwdegate supported the original motion . . '

      ' llr . Hume considered that the motion was nob uncalled for as a supplement to the committee lately appointed , whose range of inquiry . was much too limited .. Without assigning any blame to the government who kad recently done much fov economy , he wished that proposition of Mr . Henley should be adopted . • ' .- ¦ : ,... . ; Mr . Roebuck , approving of the idea of a scrutiny , believed that the result would be to show that the working staff of officials who did the * business of the riation were disgracefully underpaid . In the Treasury , the , clerks begin at £ 90 a year , and by dint of labour , pood conduct , and talent , might rise to £ 200 by , the time they , were thirty-three years old : to £ 500 at fifty , . and . if promoted into

      the highest class , might receive £ 1000 per annum ' when fifty-nine . The country had a right td have the question settled , of which Lord J . Russell ' s motion ofthe " previous question" was a mere evasion ' Sir R . PeeUgreed with Mr . Roebuck in consil dering the , proposition for inquiry a truism , but would not follow his example in voting for it , believing it to belong to a class of truisms , whose adoption by the bouse would prove highly inconvenient in tho transaction of business .. Correctintt an erroneous inference drawn by Mr . Henley , he stated that the remission of the glass , auction , ' and other duties , in . 1845 , had led to a reduction of no

      less than 450 in the number of the excise officers , He corroborated ' the opinions expressed by Mr * . Roebuck and the Chancellor of the Exchequer as to the laborious and responsible duties devolving upon the subordinate functionaries of the state and ' the moderate tariff of their emoluments , and he / added the testimony of forty years' experi ence to . the' fact that those duties were invariabl y performed with tlie most scrupulous honour and fidelity . Even the highest salaries attached to the political offices of administration he did riot think in excess of ; what their services had earned and the public interest required .

      Mr : Cobden treated the motion as a declaration of war against wages , and therefore opposed it When production increased through the progress of scenes , whether the increase took place in " cotton iron , or corn , the labourer ought to share in the benefit , and at least preserve tho old rate of his wages . Rents had not fallen , then why should wages ? Speaking of the mid land manufacturing counties , it was within hia knowledge that wages , had lately advanced reguliirly and repeatedly . Th ' e ' agricultural labourer' had heretofore existed in an exceptional state , being employed at a bare subsistence rate of pay ; but even this class was beginning to share in tho general improvement . In the government expenditure he saw no excess of individual

      remuneration , bet looked for retrenchment in the number of employes , and the abolition oi' consolidation of certain" de ' pai'tmeDts . The proposition of Jlr ., Henley made no mention of the numbers of official functionaries , and was besides evidently designed by way ofretaliation formeasuves which had led to a fall in'the price of corn . Mr . H . Dihjmmond quoted from a speech delivered on the first night of the scission the assertion that ninety , millions had been saved through freo trade and demanded to have a per ccntage of that saving returned to the country by a reduction of official salaries . - He suspected tho utility of committees and commis 8 ons , and taunted tho ministry with employing the appointments thus menM lw w ™ a *

      bribes to the economists . . " . <> Mr . P . Wood opposed tho proposition for inquiry not wishing to spread abroad a discouraging and false impression that wages were declining . ¦ ' Mr . Disraeli assumed , as a fact recognised on all sides , that the country was becoming less able to bear tho pressure of taxation ; yet many millions of the taxes that pressed upon the springs of industry had been remitted i concluding with the com tax , under the incessant complaints and agitation ofthe manufacturing interest . It wasnow the turn ofthe agriculturists to complain . Their prospority had been assailed ; and they turned to the tax-book to discover how their distresses might be alleviated . The hon . member then denied tho charge " a d against himself and his party , of having voted for any reduction of taxation which the state of the revenue did not justify as ' safe . From tho American war of indenendence to the passing bf the Reform

      BUl . 'he claimed for the Tories the glory of having dovised nnd paused every measure of political fru-: gality , and' appealed to Mr . Hume to pronounce whether the reforiic ^ d House of 'Commons ' had riot proved far worse professors of economy than their corrupt predecessors . The question had been argued upon - a too limiteil basis , as if it turned merely upon the mystbribusappointmerits of Downibg-sfreetand involved nn amount of £ 200 , 000 , in- ' stead of including the whole mass of functionaries and extending to ah aggregate of seven and a half millions of expenditure per annum . 'Financial re ' - form had now received a severe blow . 'Its advocates had learnt that there was rbll y sometimes a dan * er that their motions might" be ' carriedi and henceforth ; liorie' wouW be proposed ; ' Cbriimitteos' wefe ' cohyepient 'Shields 'for : ' the / responsibility ' . ' of the mjnisterB , but ^ a more practical inquiry was ' required''bj- ' the eiiyeiiciea of thbtimeB . Public distress had followed tho free trade

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    • Northern Star (1837-1852), May 4, 1850, page 7, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct1572/page/7/