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    KOKDA . Y , Ajstt 10 . OSIAT DEKOKETEATIOK IX FAYOBS 07 TBB CHAtXES . HOSSE OF LORDS . —In Enicataa ^ aestion from the Hotquis of Nosthakjioit , which was quits inaudible in the gallery . The Marquis of Likedowhi uid , he believed there vii& now no reasoa for the alarm which certain proceed , ings announced to tike pl&ce to-day had created . The atumpted meeting on Eennington Common had bsan dispanad fey the polies without the appaartnee of a single toliier—that disperiion had been effected without bloodshed , without difficulty , and under circumstances

    which rendered its re-union and re-orgaHis * t £ on is the highest . degree improbable . ( Hear , bear . ) T&o petition whlcb had feeea so unnecessarily made the subject Of a proceeding of this kind , and occasioned to much alarm and consternation , bad been brought in the quieteit manner across ohi of t&e fcrWgM in a reticle for the purpose , and takeu to the ather hoase of parliament , no obstruction' having been received in itc progress , which was an additional satiifection to him , inasmuch as he hoped the right of her Majesty ' s snbjeeU to petition -kouLA st & 11 tiiaes b « frilly admitted and exerciied , when it was dene in a constitutional manner . ( Hear , tear . )

    Lord Beocghaic eaSrely agreed with the noble maroois that it was most important on every ceeaslon , for ^ the peace of the ceuntrj , the liberty of the subject , and the Eecuritj of the crown , thatthe right of pBti'ion should cot bs interferred with uales * it were absolutely necessary ! ( Sear , hear . ) The same ebserration would apply to the rig&t of meeting for £ h « purpose of discussion ; tat it was essential to its wistenca as a matter of right that the meetisg should be for dUcuEsiea alans . { Hear , bear . ) "Wherever there was an assemblage too large for ttie possibility of discussion , it becane a mere display of nWKbeTE f « rtb . 9 exhibition of pbysicslforce , and could enlj haTe thr intention of OTerawing the minister * and parliament . ( Heir , hear . ) Discussion the people bad a light to , but a display offeree they only coal * hare s tight to fffcen that fore » wa » wielded by tbe

    government ¦ unier ibe parliament of tae country . ( Hear . ) T&e monster meetings in England sad Ireland were essentially illegal—they were mere exhibition ! of pfcjiicil force . and could got , by aay pemriion of UBgwgs , b » pretesded to bsmestingBfor that whlcn became impoEtible , \ iz * discatsisn , where no one coeld be heard , and where no ene , he might bs permitted to ibj , even dreamt of tyiWng . rmt whtiB all , if tiiej diuTttt flieum of wtrag , piBced || themselYeg ins position in which they might bs driven , before they knew it , to illegal courses . ( Hear . ) This was the opinion of tke lete Lord Piankett and Lord AiingET , as well u of himself , with reference ta a great meeting in Manchester , in September , 181 S—thty all thought thstbj ths law of this land that netting wai illegal , and thi « was one of a similar citracter . ( Cheers . The Daks of Wzllixgtok hoped the noble and learned

    lord ' s opinion was founded on the law of the couatry as it really existed . Ho people had suffered sore than tbe inhabitants of tbe metrepolis within the last two or three dsys from this threatened meeting of two hendred thousand people . All the citizens had been placed ua-« 3 er arms all trade , commerce , and occupation of every description , tad been partially iuspended , every iediviis&l being obliged to s&efc ths safety of himself and his neighbour , as well as the security of their property . To bs exposed to sueh iaconresience as they had bees tkat € ay for the third er fourth time in this short session of Dzrlizvient ones before on Sennicgfon Common—was indeed a , matter of serious consideration . ( Hear , hear . ) He trusted by the bill how pending in parliament , or other measures , the law would be so explained an £

    uaitrslMl , that aeeliags might be limited to tuth num . bers es could consistently discus * a quest ! od , or hear it discussed —( hear , hear)—and that tbe Merchants and Others in this great metropolis—the mart of trade and credit—might not bo alarmed , wetk after week , by each transactions as had eeengoingon withinthelast fewdaje . He hoped it won ! d no longer he in the power of » bj men to concert—he would not say coaspire —to hold such meetings which necessarily put the people ua < 2 er arms andtoofc teem away from their busineis . ( Hear , hear . ) The seating that day had been dispersed entirely by the Efforts of the pelice , ana althreg b . he had been ia readlaesg with thetroepSjtogiTc eTery possible support to them , if required , for thepreservation of ths peace of the city , tad t&e maintenance of the law of the coaatry , not a tingle soldier hadbsen Been . ( Chesre . )

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    « Hrnment had received themest decisiTe eridence of the sial of erery class of the community in all parts of Lon-

    Lord BB 3 UGSAH made a few obserratioEJ , whicn were i naudible . TheMarqaisofLoinwsDEiEt hoped the gOTernment would psy particular attention t # the conauet of certain foreigners in LoHdon , who , he understood , were inciting tee people to acts of Tiolence . ( Hear , hear . ) Tneir lordships tatn a djouraea at a quarter before iix o ' clock . HOUSE OP C 0 HM 0 KS . —The SpriKE * took th » cbEir at five minutss to four o ' clock . Oa entering th « hotue , ths ol > j * ei that attracted tmi-Ttrsal notice was the monster petition- , which lay on the floor , close to the table , in fire larga masses of paper . There were sbout 300 aembers present when the gal . try was opened , and by four o ' clock that number bad increased to about 4 M . The only cabinet ainisters present at tbe time were Lord Morpeth and Sir J . C . Sobkonse .

    Mr F . O'Csnnor oorapi ed kis hbubI Eeat on the Oppo-BtionEideofthekouse , and after conr ersing for e . few minutes with Cjlonel Thompson and other memBerS j crossed the flcwr and shook aandB wita Lori if . Hill . SirSobert Peelwasoneof ths members who srrfTed early . y ^ a ptaiaPieaiiiprEsEntaSa . DBtitioa from a luge ii jiber of the electors of Brightoa , who had availed tctmse ' iTeBofthecansKtutionalpriTlIege of 6 UbtalttiBg tSe consideration of their political rights , trustisg they ffoold receiTB that deirea of attention wMoh their im »

    jwrtanea demaaded froa tka ga&rdkas of th « ei ? a , s&aal and religious rights of the people ; The petitioners stated that the great esd of all goYersEieaUl Instltutioiis should be the protection of lite , the security of property , tiis promotion of edaestioa sad norality , sad tbe diffaeioa of feappiness among all classes . ( Hear , hear . ) Tcey therefore prayed that the houM would make such reforms in therepreseBtatiT ? systea as to secure to the wiole people s full , free , and fair representation , is ac c&rdance with the urgency of the tides a&d the wants Eai wishes of the people .

    THB CHARTER . Kr P . O'Cokko 2 . —I rise , Sir , to present 8 petition , tsgned by 5 , 700 , 000 partoas ; also another petition signed byalxmt 30 , 000 , which ii not appended to tbat large mcster-roll which is now lyisg on the floor of the beuse . Ths petitioners pray for Annual ^ ParliamentB , tTniTersal Saarage , Tote by Ballot , Equal Electoral Districts , Ko Propsrty Qualification , and the Payment of Hembers ; and I beg , from the- ccurtesy I have already received from tke house , to &ey no . more cow than to submit that the first petition be read at length by the clerk . Ifce petition was then ordered to be brought np , end ibs simple Eheei , containing the petition without tfc « i eiatures , was broBghi op end read by tho clerk at the table . ¦

    lord IIospcth . —T wish to state , oa the part of ray rigtthoa , friend tfce Sscrttary for tl » 9 ffoa « Beportm ; nt , that he would hare been in Ms place st this moaeat bat that he has beeH much occupied by the neces-Eicr business of bis department this morning . I as Zuh I nisy eay for t { =, -ihst wkateTer xaey b » hi « sanlllaeats on thi sctual-prajer of the petition , feewottlAnpt wish to appear wanting in resppcrto thlt or any other petition signed by a large body of his fellow-subject * . ( Cheag . ) The monster petition-was then relied oat of the hosse br the messengers , " . . ' . .: . . .. .

    Kr Bright preiented a petition Bsreed tobj the < el « - gstes of Manchester , r ' epresentlng 6 . 000 persons , prtjlng for the sir points of tie Charter referred to is the large petition ; « Uo for ths abolition -of the law of Eatail and Primogeniture—( cries of 'Qhl ' . and iaoghfar )— for a limitation ef the bours of labour , and for the estaMisfcin ? Etof local boards for the regulation , of tio wagis of trace . ( Hear , hear . } " . " Ths CsiBiEB—Mr C . IaiBiKOioKg « Te EotioBthaton rriiaj next , tne nay appointed for tfrc discussion of tie pefiionofthepeopfeiforUiB Onart < r , kflenonH ask the i" - ' T e lord the Frst Lord « f the Treasury the fallowing ji . -tiens : —Whetktrhe couldhold out any distincthops tin . as would Curing the pre&rat SEiBion introduce tr support a m »*« ure for tie - Extension ef tho Suffrage—( cheers end laughter )—for the abridgment of the duration of Parliaments , forths formation of Electoral Bis / trietF , sad for the Tote h s BsUot' ( Irsushtcr . ) - -. '

    CtOWS AND GOYEBKXKT SECC 2 ITT BlLI .. —The CleTK tsTJny read the oriti ^ af the day , Sir Q . Gunr mored the secosd reading of this bill . Mr 3 . O ' Bsiek : I-qV not rise , etr , for the purpose of enterisg at any length into the details of this bill . 1 care very little about these details ; but I see in this bill a sew attempt to meettse claims of Ireland by coercion raflier than by coe « skohe- — ( ' Oh ob {* and Iaogottr . ) esd it is becsuss I regard it in tbat point of yit w , end not ob account of its technical fcrmatioc , that I an here to

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    oppose it . I caa tEeuce this house in all solemnity that I feel this attempt you are Disking to coerce tbe people Of Irel « u d . ¥ 01 be utterly ineffectual , and that they will laugh at jour attempt to indict tfea wfeola nation for high treason , ( Ironical cheers . ) But , ba that as it may , I bare a duty to perform , and from tbe perforsaauce of that dtttj I shall not shrink , ( Liugahr . ) In 16 iS , before I joined the Repeal Auociation , I felt it my duty to make & last appeal to this house , asking them f er what was then called jisticgto Ireland ; taat is , a series of useful measures , calculated to give satisfaction to the Irish people , consistent with tho mainten&ace of tbe union between the two countries . You refused that ap . peal—an appeal m&do nat only bj go aumble an indivi . dual as myself , but by a rery considerable part of that nation of which I am one of the representatives . You

    hare nopan opportunity of meeting the demands of that nation by yielding to their clsits for s separate legislature , for self-gorerament under the ancient constitution ef Ireland , consisting of the Queen , Lords , and Commons ef that nation ; and I am here to . say to-night that I sincerely beliere , if yon refsss tbat claim during tbe present year , yon will have to encounter the establishment of * republic ia Ireland . ( Loud cries of' Ob , oh i ' and ironical cheers . ) Unlike all other gOTeraaents in Ireland , the liberal government of England , instead of at . tempting to ptcify the country with which I am connected by kindly concessions , mist their demands by & ooercion law—( hsar . bear)—and that at this moment when your Foreign Minister is giving his countenance to the efforts ofeTerj other people to redesa th « n « elves from serritude . I say there is no better parallel for the cendition

    of Irelamd in her relation to England than that ef Sicily to Kaples ; but the nobls lord the Secretary for Potelgn Aff * irs thicks that Sicily is perfectly right in throwing off the yoke of Haples ; and yet , in my absence , hon . gentlemen hare brought charges agaiagt me—if they bavt eharjres against me let them make taem to-sight—( hear , hear )—but they have brought charges ag » in 6 t me as an in . diridasl , and against t&e P ^ rf j- Trith whom I set . ( Hsar , hear , ) I am here to answer thoBe charges both for tiat party and myself , and I may say tfeis—with respect to my noble companions in tht noble struggle—( ironical cfcecrj snd great l * aghtcr)—for the indepsndence of oar native land —( renewed cheers)—having for SO ytirs had tbe opportunity of seeing the xiost distinguished men of all parties { a this hoaae , ntvar have I met with a number of m « a acting fer a great

    political object tbat appeared to me at least to be actuated by such pure and diiintereited motives as taose with whon » it is my prida to act . ( Boars of laughtsr , and ironical cheerisg . ) Now , with respect to my . self , I hay * b : en called a traitor , ( Treaend « us ironies ! chesrisg , which continued for some minute ! , and was again and again renewed . ) I shall not profess disloyalty to the Queen of England ( groans ) ; bat if it be treason to profcts disloyalty to tfeis house—to the government of Irehnd by tbe parliament of Great Britain ; if that be treason , I arow it . ( Loud crieB of 'Ob , ohl ' cheers , snd laughter . ) Kay , more ; I say it shall bt the study of ay life to overthrow the domination of this parliament in Ireland ( laughter ); and I take upon Byself to challenge any man to contradict my statement , that in this house no nan stands higher in regard to his

    pablie character than I do . ( Roars of laughter . ) I aa perfectly ceniclous tbat there are many in this house infinitely zny superiors in talent ; bat since I hare had a seat here as representative for Limerick I have never given any Tote iathis bonse fron any other object that an hoaest a « d a tineere desire to promote the public welfare . ( Hear . ) I challenge any ene to point out any vote given by me { cam . any other consideration . And I tell the houss more . How , that I am to bs arraigned as s criminal , I shonld gladly accept the most ignominious death that coald be inflicted upoa me —( renewed and long-continued laughter )—rather than witness the indignities tbat hara been inflicted " this legislature upon ray countrymen during the next thirty years of my life—( a laugh )—I mean the last thirty yews . ( Laughter . ) It has been stated that I weat to France fer the

    purpose of soliciting foreign aid ( bear hear ); tbat is ta cay , armed succour on behalf of my country in ths struggle in which they ara engaged . This is a misapprehension . ( ' Hear , ' and a laugh . ) If I had gone to seek foreign aid of an armed Mnd , believe me I should have come lack accompanied by a tolerably large legion of troops . ( 'Oh , oh ! ' and great lasghter . ) I wish that you had been in Trance . ( Continued laughter . ) Why , ilr , the language tbat I have held in Ireland and in France to my countrymen has been this , that Irish freedom must be won by Irieh courage and Irish firmness . I have no desire to impose upon my country one description of simmfle ia place of &Bother . ( Hear , hear . )! \ l believe that If the liberty of Ireland were to ba won , ct at least its redemption were to be won by foreign bayonets , it could only be maintained in that position by

    foreign bayonets , aad it is notmy desire or intention te place my country under ths influence of foreign bayenetG . ( Hear , hear . ) The hon . member then proceeded to avow that he went to Paris to congratulate the provisional government , and through them France , on the overthrow of s tyranny which had forfeited all claim to the possession of tae throne of France . He went therefor the purpose of congratulating the French na . tion on having so own the nations of tho world—and tbe example already had not been without its effect—how a nation might effect its deliverance , displaying a spirit of independence which , he trusted , would react on his own errantry . Hs Bad bo hesitation in avowing that he found ob ths part of the French people a very great amount ef intense feeling towards Ireland . He was glad that such & feeling existed , and it would be tbe busiatss of himself

    end those wita wcom as acted to encoursgo that ejtapatby , which was not eoafiaed to France alone , for be believed that every nation , every enlightened man , and every statesman in the civilised world regarded the condition of England , in refwenca to Ireland , as antiroly analogous to that ef Russia in reference to Poland . He did not reject the sympathy of natiens so offered . He was happy to think tbat there was in this country , among the middle and humbler classes , a very large amount of sympathy fer Ireland , and a desire that Irishmen should acquire the power they sought . Though be did not agree ia all the points of tat Ckarter , he was happy to say that among the Chartists , tbe 5 , 509 . 000 who signed tke petition to the hou « t , there was scarcely an individual who did not sympathise with the cause of the Irish . ( 'Hear , ' from MrF « -argus

    O'Connor . ) Ha trusted teat they would acquire political power for themselves , and they knew perfectly well that they could do to at no time with a greater prospect of success than when England was embarrassed in its relations with Ireland . Therefore be trusted that tbe Irish would receire that aid which t&e Chartists—whether from sympathy or political expediency—offered them . He avowed the senUiaent that lie had been instruments in asking hit countrymen ts arm themselves . Under tbe present circumstances of all countries in Europe it was the duty of every person to obtain the possession of arms , There was not a cation in Europe which did not make it part of itc duty to instruct its citleens in the use of arsu , and it was tbe peculiar duty of the Iriih people to obtain the possession and the use of arms at tbe time whsn tee goTcrnuaent told t&em tbat they were prepared

    to crush ths expression of opinion , not by argument , but by brute force . If this were guilt , he avowed it . He advised this as mach for preserving order as for acqatnojj liberty , ( ' Ob , oh ) ' ) I * t bim remind hon . g-entlemen of whet took place in 17 S 2 . It was no crime fer a people to enlist themselves in armed array in resist , anee to foreign foes , and in . protection of their own liberty . It was by such armed array that the Irish obtained that , legislative independeace wbicb England accorded to it , by a compact which England ( ubseqaestly ptrfidioaelj violated . In order to shew the feelings and intentions of the body with whleh he acted , he read a resolution passed at " a late meeting of tho Irish Confederation , which was to the foils wing effest : —that the Confederation repudiated , as & gross calumny , tho 1 mpatatien thrown en them by Lord Joha Bussell , tbat tbe

    object of the Confederation was social disorder , and the vis-lent separation , from Great Britain ; the aim having ftlwaji been th » legklatira independence of Ireland , and thereby th * attainment of social , order , and that they desired that sueh independence ehduld ba attained , M possible , without civil war . ( Laughter . ) If it were guilt to counsel bis fellow-countrymen to send to th « metropolis of Ireland , s national council , . virtually repre . sentisg the conntry—he cared aot whether by election or by such nomination as would give effect to the gentimente of the people , composed of 300 individuals , they were acting on the suggestion thrown out by the late 11-lustrioBs leader of the Irish people , Hr O'Connell , and cuch & step-became ntceEJarj , because the Irish member * in parliament—he wisfeed to speak with rsspect of them

    —did not constitute a full and great exponent of the nation ' s feelings . They represeated only one Irishman in one hundred j and formed , therefore , not a true representation of the countryi Toerefore it rras proposed to sen * to the metropolis of Ireland a body to represent the country , aad with that body he would recommend the noble lord to enter into early negotiations for the purpose of effecting asf amicable settlement of the aaestionB now at issue between tbe two countries . ( Laughter . ) He was quits prepared , when he came to that honse to-day , tobet&et by thess ; insulting sneers ; but they bad no tfTeetenhim . He fait that the Iruh would eventually ineseed ia their efforts , and that was net a fit subject for ridicttte , Tho only thing against them waa precipitation . If any portion of the Irish' Repealers should lend

    tasnielvea to the designs of the government by ony or « rt art ofriolenc ? , Sbough eventually . they would obtcSa the .. emancipation of their country , . yet that would retard it . On whom Hi the government rely ? A . question aad bsen asked the other night about tho mannfac Jure of pikes , and tkeaoblelcrd . at tho head of the government appeared to rtly on a detectWo police , and on mez wfcose principle it was to allure men into crime for the purpose of betraying them . The noblu Iori also relied e ^ ' packed juries . If the noble lord relied on a free juryit would be impossible for bim to get a verdict . ( Laughter . ) Tho noble lord was running a considerable rick ' in the prosecutions which the . government

    contemplated . If the noble lord failed , thej > r «(»? e . and . inflaence of the government were overthrown , aad he weald fail if there should ba one independent juror out of the twejr * . { Laughter . ) But if the noble lord shonld sue ceed , what would he effect ? The noble lord knew the spirit abroad ; snd > for every person convicted , there wonl 4 befound 5 (> , 100 , or 1 , 009 , ubo would consider it no dfrerace to ba so convicted to serve their countryi A declaration to the Lord Lieutenant , with 280 , 000 signatnres to it , had been spoken of ; but the names of tho parties signing it were not knotvn ; and it was by active solicitation that many had been induced to declare nn . qualified confidence in tbe government . If erer thtre should ba a conflict ia Ireland , the government

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    could place so reliance on tbree > fourths of the Irish , There was a time when the aristocracy could effect something in Ireland ; feat they had not that power now , whiok Lord Clanricaide would know if he called on the De Burghs to follow him , Neither did he think tbat tbe Sake of Leinster could get a siagle par titan ont of his own family , or that any man would follow Lord Ormonde in Kilkenny , though one of tbe mott amiable men in Ireland . The noble lord at tbe bead of the go-Terament mast know that looking to thfTcentry of Ire . land fer anything like support in a national struggle was relying on a fallacious hope . In case these mat . ters Bhould be settled by a resort to the last extremity , — which he ( Mr O'Brien ) earnestly and ardently depre . cateo , —the Irish gentry would ba glad to eompound

    with the dominant party for saving their estates . Therefore the government could place no reliance on them . Neither could the government rely on the Orangemen , a body of considerable extrinsic strength , for , by the bill ef the hon . member for Drogheda ( Sir W . Somervlllo ) , the government was about to deprive them of their to . nont-rigbt . Among- the OraDgexnen of tbe north of Ireland there existed a great desl of the spirit of tbe United Irishmsn . He most ardently desired that the Orangemen Bhould arm—that any portion of IriBhmen should obtain power to enforce their right . The government relied next on tbe police fores . It was 10 , 000 men strong ; a fine body , but entirely national . They were taken from the people , and were excellent for the preservation of order ; but if it came to a great national

    straggle , the policemen in Ireland would be tO 9 happy to obtain future reward and renown , if they were to act as the saviours of their country , ( Laughter , } The government nest relied on tho army , Tbe army at the present moment was an insignificant fraction of the whelo nation . Daring the rebellion , 153 , 000 armed troops were occupied in maintaining the possostioB of two or three countieB in Iceland ; and ii it came to a straggle , which God forbid , tho 26 , 600 froops in Ireland would not present any serious obstacle in ths way of the Irish people . Ir . land was divided into email fields , which made it difficult for cavalry and artillery to act . Therefore the government had no juit ground to place ralianes on mere physical force . Bat be honestly believed that the government conld not rely on the army

    In Ireland . ( Loud cries of ' Oh ! ' ) He was persuaded that if there should ba a struggle to-morraw , a very large portion of the army of Ireland would refuse te act sgaiast ths people of Ireland . ( Cries of' Oh , oh ! ' ) He knew not the meaning of liberty of speech , if he were not allowed te speak on these subjects . He wonld state what hsd been the object of his argument . He nesd not say tbat hs treated with utter disdain the attempts of t&e government to put him down by presecutioe . ( Laughter . ) But tke object of his argument had been to show that if ever those two great countries , England and Ireland , should come into collision , tha result of suca collision was exceedingly ascertain —( ' Oh , oh I' )—and cauld not be otherwise than disas - trous to England in any case . If England failed ,

    Edfland henceforth would stand alone , and it might not be nnadvhable to consider what would be tbe condition of England with an independent republic on one side and an independent republic en tho other , ( Loud laughter . ) But , if England succeeded , it might desolate the country and distress its industry , but it would still have Ireland a disgrace for . itself in the eyes of all mankind . Under those circumstances , before those ominous words 'too late' were pronounced , Btrikingthe knell of EnglUft power in Ireland , fee advised the eencesBlon to the Irish of those rational rights to which they bad a claim by every title , human and divine . He had used no reserve on the present occasion ( Laughter . ) He should use no reserve in the end of these observations as he

    had nsed none in the beginning ; and when the noble lord told him tbat he ( Mr O'Brien ) was a traitor to the Ctowb , he repelled the charge and retorted it , ( Laugh , ter . ) He told the noble lord that if in the present position of Europe ho attempted , as regarded his own fellow-countrymen , to crush all efforts on the part of the democracy of this country to obtain those juit rights which tbe democracy of other countries had obtained ; and if , as regarded his ( Hr O'Brien ' s ) countrymen , he refuted their demand for self-government—If tbe noble lord played here the part which Guizot and llatternlch bad played in their respective countries—then he told the noble lord that it was not he ( Mr O'Brien ) but the noble lord and his colleagues that wtre traitors to the country and the Queen .

    Sir 6 . Gbet then rose , and was greeted with loud cheers . He said , —After the long absence of the hon . gentleman from this house , upon seeing him to ° night rise too moment the seeond reading of the bill now before the house was moved , I entertaiaed some hope , albeit a faiat one , that the hon . gentleman had risen to disavow with indignation —( loud cheers)—with the indignation befitting a loyal subject of the Crown —( renewed cheers ) —the most foul imputations cast on his loyalty , not la this house , but in every newspaper circulated throughout the realm for soma weeks past—to disavow , I say , with that fervent eloquence which characterises his addresses elsewhere , if not in this house—( a laugh )—the sentiments of disloyalty which have been attributed to to him . If from no better feeling , at least by virtue of the

    oath of allegiance which he has repeatedly taken to the Sovereign of this conntry . ( Loud cheers . ) What , then , was , I , will not gay my astonishment , but my pain and regret—a feeling , I am sore , shared by every other member of the house —( cheers )—te find the hon . member repeating the same sentiments in this honse , not with that boldness and daring whieh he assumes elsewhere , bnt accompanied with a miserable preteDce and Up servlca of allegiance , and with a profession of a faint shadow of loyalty to the Croffa , and bringing against my noble friend , for defending the constitution of this country , a charge of treason . The hon . gentleman had said , that in hit absence , be has been called a traitor ; and he may therein have alluded to what I felt it my duty to state to the house the other night . For

    his abience I am not accountable—the cauBO of that nb . sence be can . best explain . ( Cheers . ) I did not call him a traitor ; but I read to the house a portion of the report of a meeting of the Irish Confederation—namely , the announcement made by Mr Duffy that he tad received a message from the hon . gentlem&n at Paris , in which he east to the winds that discouraging reply—( cheers )—he received from M . Iiamartine , who with public virlne refused to encourage designs , ba they seditions , or traitorous , or loyal—as the hon , gentleman pretends—knowing that if ho encouraged such designs he should be violating the law of nations , and giving a good cauie of war to England against France . ( Hear , hear . ) I ask the hon , geDtleman whether be is prepared to disavow the truth of that message which Hr Duffy announced as having been sent from Paris by him ?

    and which waa to be the exponent of the sentiment of the French nation , casting aside the language of if . Latnartine ? ( Cheers . ) I ask the hon . gentleman whether he did say to tho Irish club at Fang , ' Every new proof of sympathy renders at more able to serve the cause of onr coaatry . The satisfaction which we feel arises , above all , from the fact tbat we Save found that there are at Paris Irishmen w&o are determined to nnlte their efforts to those of tke Irish people' In reconquering the national independence . Though , we have been in France but a few days , we bave , nevertheless , seen and heard enough to bare the cenviction , that the French natioa is deeply moved by the indignities and sufferings we have endured . ' We have Been and heard enough to fe « l assured that , were Ireland to demand assistance , France would be ready to sead StfjOOO of her bravest citizens to fight with her for liberty !'

    Mr S . Beieh . —Vfill the right hon , gentleman read the next passage f Sir 6 . Gbiy continued— ' We offer to the French onr sincere thanks for their genereus sympathy . That sympathy may be to us , later , a great asaistaace ; but we feel that the liberty of Ireland shonld be conquered by the energy , the devotion , and the courage of her own children . ' The hon , gentleman , knowing the sentiments of M . Lamarline , nevertheless writes to Mr Duff / , and says in effect ' We will , It wa can , institute & sticcesafal rebellion ; still , if no should be worsted in the straggle , I promise the assistance of 50 , 000 Frenchmen . ' ( Hear , hear . ) I did hope tfcat the hon . gentleman would have disavowed thoseattempts elsewhere imputed to him , to seduce tha soldiers of this couniry , the police also , and

    to insinuate that they were disaffected to the Crown , and tbat as a body they would rise . ( Haar , bear . ) I bave tald that I did not cttll the hon . gentleman a traitor , iat I did read that statement made by Mr Duffy to the Irish Confederation . The hon . gentleman drew his own inference . ( Cheers . ) He said I called him a traitor , because I read those sentiments .. ( Renewed cheers , ) The house also drew its ioference , and I read that feference in unmiatakeable language in those cheers which tha honourable gentleman received when ho said , 'I was called a traitor . ' ( Load cheers . ) The hon . gentleman has referred to the feeling of the people of Ireland , but I deny his right to maka himself the ezpenont of the loyalty of the people of that country . ( Cheen . ) The hon . gentleman has endeavoured to excite feelings of

    disfiffsction to-night by introducing hackneyed topic * , and has alluded to a bill , tending , at he cay * , to withdraw a privilege from tha Orangemen ot the north of Ireland , Now , I tell the hon . gentleman that & l&rge pertion of the north of Ireland is inalienably attschtd to the Crown and constitution ef this country . ( Cheers , ) The aon . gentleman may receive such proofs aa will convince him that that portion of the population of Ireland to Yihich be has . alluded will one and all indignantly deny : the right of the hon . gentleman , to * be the expoEent of their fr . eliDgs . ( Cheers . ) The hon . gentleman has said tho Chartists werewith bim to a tnan , I utterly disbelieve that also . ( Hear , hear . ) Betide the con . ' gentleman sits a leader of the Chartists ( Mr F . O'Connor ) , wha on Friday last expressed feelingB and opinions verydlffereutfrom thotQof the hon . gentleman , declaring himself a friend of the Monarchy . ( Hear ,

    hear ;) I believe that if any person endeavours to get foreign assistance and to seduce her Moje 3 ty ' s subjects from their alleglence , he win fina himself miserably disappointed , and there will ariss an-indignant spirit of resistance against the hon . gantleman , and against the expression whioh he pretends to give of the feelings of the country . ( Hear , hear . ) The hon . gentlemaa baa misrepresented the lntentlonflof the government towards Ireland . We have no such fealiugs as he attributes to us . We desire to see the Irish portion of tho kingdom , while indissolubly connected with us , feappy , and in the enjoyment of that constitutional liberty wbioh Is tke birthright of evtry subject of ths Crown . ( Cheers . ) In order to secure those blessings we want the real union of all men—and I reiolce to say that to a great extent we possess it—in opposing the mischievous objects of the fcoa-gentUman ' s associates ; and that is tee best way to

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    seeura the real interests , not of the Crown and governraent merely , bnt of the great body of tao people . ( Lend Bud repeated cheers . ) Mr F . O'Connor said , as he had been alluded to , he wished to repeat the expression of an opinion which he had often urged both in and out of that house , viz ., that there was a power behind the throne —the vaiceof the people—which should he gieater than the throne itself j but if the term treason' were thrown in the teeth of any honourable member in that hou 6 e , he begged to say tbat he had taken the oath of allegiance , and that that would induce him to protect her Majesty ' s erowu even against the machinations of her Majesty's government . ( A laugh . )

    He was surprised that the descendant of Lord ^\ m . Russell should he the man to ferret out the law of Charles II ., in order to determine what treason and sedition were , and he certainly thought , after the able and constitutional speech of the honourable Member for Oldham the other night , that the governraenfc would have paused before proceeding further with this bill . He wonld be the first man to resist the invasion of a foreign arr ay , and he might tell the right honourable baronet that he had refused to proceed with a deputation to France ; but if Ireland had been treated with justice , he asked the right honourable baronet how it was that so many thousands had died of famine ? He knew the right honourable baronet did not like complimentsand he

    , knew how liable they were to be misinterpreted j but he must say that but for that step which the right hon . gentleman advocated , in spite of the whims of some of tbe constituencies , hundreds of thousands would have perished in Ireland . But were the Irish always to be beggars at Britain ' s door ? He had that day witnessed a demonstration , and ,, thank God , it was a peaceable one , ( Great laughter . ) Did honourable gentlemen laugh at the idea of a peaceable demonstration ? He rejoiced at it , but he would warn the right honourable baronet that if he suppressed the free expression of public opinion , he would inevitably cause the formation of secret clubs and associations . ( Hear , hear . ) When the Confederation was dissolved in 1839 , two men went

    through the north of England and Scotland establishing secret clubs , with private signals and modes of communication . He ( Mr O'Connor ) pursued them , however , and drove them out of the country ; and for himself he must say , that he never said or wrote anything of a political character which was not perfectly open and patent to the world . He bad never allowed the doora of any association to be closed against the press . And now they were going to prosecute the honourable member for Limerick ,

    and if they obtained a conviction from an honest or dishonest . jury , their triumph would only be a weakness . What he regetted was , that there was no constitutional opposition in the house , The opinion of this country was wild , because it did not see itself represented in the house by a constitutional opposition : and until it eaw that opposition , there would be no bearing on the benches opposite . What he wanted was an opposition based on constitutional principles , opposing the government in their attempts to inflict laws of this kind . Was not this bill an

    infraction of the rights of the subject ? He knew of many members who had voted for the first reading ol this bill from courtesy . He ( Mr O'Connor ) was made of sterner stuff ; and , if he stood alone , he would move that this bill be read a second time this day six months : It was monstrous that with a starving multitude not a single measure was proposed for the amelioration of their condition . When they asked for rtform , they were met by prosscution and persecution . As far as he was individually concerned , without asking for the aid of a foreign power , without secret associations , without anything injurious or unjust , there was not a man in the country who would go farther to shake off the

    English yoke from the Irish people than he would . Many hon . members had adverted to the foreign circumstances now passing around us , but not one had told the house or the country , that in every foreign state where popular freedom had been achieved , that 8 free press and the liberty of speech was the first , because the dearest right contended for . ( Hear , hear . ) While the descendants and successors of Charles Fox , Richmond , and others , were using the opportunity for limiting , or altogether abrogating the very right for which , other nations ¦ were contending . ( Hear , hear . ) He would characterise this as a base , brutal , and bloody bill , and let them once close the safetv valve for the free

    expression of public opinion , and the cauldron of corruption would burst around them . Did they hope to resist the mind's torrent by coercion in the nineteenth century ? or did they imagina Ihat opinion would be trammelled while the nation was panting for liberty ? This bill was an act of treason against the sovereign , and this was the first instance of a government presuming to attach the odium of its tyranny in its measures to the sovereign . ( Hear , hear . ) The right hon . bart , had risen like a veiled prophet to reply to the treason , as lie called it , of the hon . member ior Limerick , but the enthusiasm , the eloquence , and loyalty of an official , thumping that red box , had no effect npon his ( Mr , O'Connor ' s ) mind ,

    as the true response to ministerial fervour was " Quarter day . " ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) They were fond of precedent in that bouse , bnt taey rejected precedent from their political predecessors—from Fox , Richmond , and Erskinewhen those precedents were not calculated to aid them in their acts of tyranny , and if there was no modern precedent for this atrocious blow at liberty , some precedent-loving official would take up this blue book , and read as follows : — "Sir , I will now call the attention of the house to a precedent coming from na email authority , and one which this house will do well to pause before it rejects , it bears , sir , essentially upon the present case ; I quote from the nine thousandth nine hundredth and ninetynint ' j of Nebuchadnazzor , the King of the Jews , when that monarch required a precisely similar

    measure to suppress Chartist violence and treason . " ( Laughter . ) Was this the promised fruits from reform ? Was this the realisation of popular hopes and Whi g liberty ? Was this the reward of seven years peace amid pestilence , famine * and death ? Or will this be tolerated , a 3 the mind ' s extinguisher , by those who are determined to achieve their rights ? He knew not what may be the feelings of those Irish members who usually followed in the wake of Ministers , but he would again repeat , that he trusted ic would spur his countrymen to throw off the foreign yoke altogether . If he stood alone , he would use all the forms of the house to resist the progress of this monster ; he would interrupt its passage by every constitutional form , because it was a violation of the constitution , and if he stood alone and without a seconder , he would now move that it be read & second time that day six months .

    Mr O . Thohfsoh e * pro » fled hia'heartfelt gratification that the proceedi&gs out of doors to-day had been oharact : rised by peaoaand order , ( 'Hear'and cheers . ) It must be latlifactory to erery member of that houaa that instead of labouring under the apprehension of oonfl ' . ct out of doore they were assembled to-night in peace and quietness . ( Hear , bear . ) He hoped the people would see that tbe beet meaas of attaining their just rights was by conducting theeaetlves in an orderly and peaca . ablo manner , by avoiding any conflict with the authorities , and by abstaining from any ' violence to persons or property . ( Hear . ) With regard-to the bill now before the house , which he considered to be one of more impertance than any that had been brought before the

    honse within the last centary , he must say ho thought It bad been introduced with undue and unbecoming haste . The object of that bill was to render tho speaking , optnly and advisedly , of werd » affecting the integrity of the British dominions a felony . He would . warR the boose not to adopt such a measure precipitately , ami to bewsre lest by doing to they ennobled felony , and converted what was intended to be a badge of degradation aad infamy Into a badgeof honour and renown , In the clause of thia kill whlok proposed to render ' open and advlBed speaWDg ? felonious , no less than n-ae or ten offences were enumerated which were to barendared felonies . It was declared to be a felony to meditato the derivation of Hep Majesty of any of the honours and titles she now enjoyed—to wrest jfrom Her Mojestyany portion of the dependencies of the Crown—to lovy war against the Crown—to orerawe the Parliament—to in .

    cite foreignersto make war either upon tho united king . dom or upon any patt of Her Majesty ' s poBsessioni to print , to write , or to epeak certain matters , and to do any overt act or deed connected with tho « nbjects prevlonely recited . He approved of this bill so for as it tended £ to place in another category of crime certain ofFencea hitherto ptraiBbed as trens 6 n ; buc he hoped the government would be induced to abandon the clause to which he had referred , by which it was proposed to make open and advieed speaking a felony . He conld not support ; a measure which would gag the mouths of the people , and prevent them from expressing their views on political questions . He otrtniul y never anticipated thnt the gentlemen who now sat upon the ministerial benches wonld have bees so recreant to the principles they profe 66 ed when oat of office as to propose a measure of tbii nature . It was said that this measure was rendered .

    noceeaary by v the state of Ireland ; but he would nsk whether it was fair that the whole population of Great Britain should be gagged in consequence of the indiscretion of a few persdns in Dubliu , or perhaps , of o Sov persons in London ! There tras no doubt that tbe discontent manifested not only , by a largo proportion of the people of Ireland , but also by a largo proportion of the people of this country ; had led tbe government to introduce this measure ; and it was invariably the cflso that whea a government had neglected

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    the juefc claims of ths people to their tights , aad had excited their , indignation by a denial ef those rights ; they than cama forward with , m&awwisa < d coe ? alon . The preB&nt government had refuted to relieve dlaasnttta from church ratos— thsy had refused any revision of taxation—they had refased to equalise the income-taxthey had so fat adhered to the dootrlna of finality that they bad refused any extonsion of political rights to any portion of the community ; and , when the people annonncod tholr intention to assemble at Kenntagton to petition tho legislature on some of taese subjects , what was ths conduct of the government ? He was satisfied thai no Christian man could have read without a shudder the aecouats given In the papers that morning of the preparations made by Her Majesty ' s ministers , ( Cries

    of ' Oh , oh ! ' ) Sack promotions were never neoesaary in a couatry which was wisely and justly governed . They were not necessary in Franco ( laughter , and crioB of ' Oh ! ' ) until a Guizot became minister ; bnt it seemed unhappily that they were necessary in the metropolis of the British empire , and under a liberal government . ( Ranewed cries of 'Ofi / 'J T&ey might re « assured that tksre was a cause for the discontent which led to the adoption of Bach precautions . The hon . member for Nottinghnm ( Mr O'Connor ) would never hare been supported by such numbers If there had net been injustice somewhere ; all the power and influence of that honourable gentleman were attributable to the wrongs which the people Bufored at the bands of ths legislature He vraa ready to admit that if the government apprehended danger they were justified in tho precautions they had taken , but he believed that if the assemblage

    and procession bad been permitted every thing would have passed off quite as peaceably as had happily been tho case . They had lately seen the progress of enlightened freedom throughout the whole continent , and tiae government had not only commended bat had professed to sympathise with that movement ; yet the moment & deeiro was manifested by the working people of thia country to obtain their jast rights the government came down with a gagging Iutv , As he understood this bill , if a man delivered hie opinions upoa governments in the abstraot , jnpon the origin of human governments , upon the purposes and designs of human governments , or expressed his preference in the abstract for a tepttbUc as compared with the monarchy , he wonld be liable to bs arraigned as a felon , asd it convicted to be transported . He hoped the government would sea the necessity of striking the words ' open and . avowed speaking ' ont of the bill .

    Sir B . Hail after stating his surprise at Hr Thompson ' s opposition to the bill , proceeded to mako an attack upon Mr O'Connor . He aald he did aot intend to folio ?? the hon . gentleman wbo bad just fiat down through tho whole of bis very discursive speech ; bat be muBt express bis surprise that tbe hon . member had come te the conclusion to Tote against the second renting of tbia bill . He understood the hon . gentleman to say tbat although tbere were some wordB in tbe third clause to which he entertained strong objection , he was ready to give the other provisions of the bill his hearty support . Ho ( Sir B . Hall ) mrald suggest to the ton , gentlemaa that he should vote in favour of the aecond reading , and propose the omission of the words to which he objected la committee . Ho ( Sir B , Hall ) eontldared that tke

    government ¦ wonld bavs bean w&nttoff in tae . duty they owed to their Sovereign and to * be state , if they had not asked for powers to atop the treason and seditioa which bad lately been tife . ( Hear , bear . ) Tho Bpeaob of tbe boa . membar f 6 r Nottingham ( Mr O'Connor ) had been marked by great loyalty on the one hand , aad by strong condemnation of government on the other . He ( Sir B . Hall ) had been in this honae ove * einoa that hon . gentleman was first elected for the oonnty of Cork , sixteen years ago ; and he mast do the hon . member tbe Justice to say that he had never hoard him express any opinions which intimated a desire to depoao the So-• vewlgner to subvert the monarchy . He ( Sit B . Hall ) wished , however , in no anfriendly spirit , to give th » hon . gentleman aa opportunity ef avowing or disavowing

    certain opinions which had bees ascribed to him within tbe last few days , and which , were at variance with the oplaions he professed In that house . He ( Sir B . Hall ) held in his hand a paper called tbe Nobthebn Stab , of vrbich the hon . gentleman had in that house avowed himself to bo the proprietor , and in which , so lately as lost Saturday week , there appeared a letter purporting to be written by the hon . member . He ( Sir B . Hall ) must do the hon . gentlemaa the justice to say that , throughout the whole of that letter , he did not tell ths people to rosort to othor than moral force ; but he ( Sir B . Hall ) wished te give him an opportunity of explaining the meaning of the words he was about to read . The hon . gentleman addressed a letter to the * Old Guards ' ( laughter ) , In which he said , 'Old Guards' I have

    received several letters warning me of the danger of joining in tbe procession , but this ia my answer to one and all , —that I would much rather be taken a corpse from amidst that procession ( alangb ) than dishonour myself , disffraoemy country , and desert yon by remaining away . Old Guards , the charges against me by the enemj have been numerous , but cowardlee has never bee * one of them . Bat as to repnblio or monarchy , let the power behind the throne be greater than the tbroae itself , lot labour select its own representatives annually and pay them honourably ( a laugh ) , and I do not cars whether you put the Pops , the Devil , or the Pretender upon tao tbrona . ( Laughter , ) Let xbe psoplo be tbs base of tho superstructure , and I care not three straws what tbe figure head may ba . ' ( Orles of' Hear , hear , and Oh , ob . ' )» That was not hastily spoken , bat deliboratelr written . The hon , member would do well ,

    in addressing groat pablie meetings , noi enly to instil into men's minds that they ohonld endeavour to attain their rights by moral aad not by pbyrieal foree , but to read a short speech delivered not many days ago by one of the most eminent mon in ths most enlightened country in the world , a speech delivered by Mr- Wtleker- at Heidelberg , to a large assembly desirous of an extension of their rights—a speeeh in which that gentleman said in snbatODce , 'Do not let us mistake license Sot liberty , ( H « ar , h ° ar , ) Bo not let us imagine that because much may require to be remodelled , all must be overthrown . ( Hrar , hcar , ) Lat ub take England na our model , She bas freejinstitutiens , her people bavs great political privlleges ; she alone remsins proud and pre-eminent amongst the natioBS of the world , whilst all around nor is a wreck . ' ( Cheers , ) DeBirinj to sea this oonntry maintain fiat proud position , he ( Sir B . Hal !) should support the proposition of tbe government .

    Mr O'Connob begged to remind the house that the hon . baronet ( Sir B , Hall ) himself allowed , that tbe letter of two columns , from which he read twe sentences was taken up with recommendations to rely on moral foroe alone . The two passages whioU had been read he ( Mr O'Connor ) avowed j they were in accordance with . all his writings ( bear ); and he defied the fcoo . baronet to show tbat he had ever breathed any thiog bat strict obedienco to the law and moral foroe . Mr Hr / ME repeated the objuetiona to the ' gayginff clause of this bill which he had stated on a former evening . We are now going to re-enact for . England and Ireland the law of leasing-maklog , whioh we had

    repealed tor Scotland , omj under which Mair and five other Scotch patriots had been baaished from their aativo country . If we passed such a law , we should have the same secret mettings and espionage which we had in the bad years subsequent oa the outbreak ot the first French revolution . Whilst he said tbls , he did not think it fitting that we should have a National Convention permanently sitting in judgment on Parliament . He called on Miaisters , instead of passing new , to put in foroe tbe existing laws . They had powes to put down delegation , and he advised them to exert it . Every place ought to bavo its distinct meeting qhcI snould not delegate its power to a distant body .

    The Solicitob-Ghneeai , supported the bill . It was not intended to repress private speaking , bnt only , 'open and advised speaking , ' recommending the levy of war ap » n her Majesty , As personal notoriety was one of tbe strongest motives for these treasonable exhibitions , he thought that this bill would put a stop to thorn ; for the man who might rflekon upon sympathy as a traitor was not Bare of meeting itna a felon , Mr Hume had pomplained tbat the government bad made nse of a clause in an act of Charles II . for stopping persons who had threatened to bring up a petition witn hundreds of thousands of men ; and tbe government were supposed to intend to use the whole of tho act ,, and prevent more than twenty persons signing petitions . It . was clear from tke decision of Lord Mansfield , In the case of Lerd

    George Gordon , that the olaueo in the act of Charles II , relating to tumultuary assemblies was noi repealed ; but it would be ridiculous to contend that be . cause Ministers thought proper to avail themselves of that portion of the aot they must be supposed to coincide in all the doctrines contained in tbe statute . The hon . raembor for Montrose wai mistaken ia supposing that the case of Muir and Palmer bora any analogy to those whiob would come within the purview of the measure proposed by the government ; the cases were , perfectly distinct , He bad felt it necessary thus briefly to explain tbat what wan meant by ' open nna ^ aSrloecl speaking ' was language used in the most open mannsr , with tho view of inciting persons to levy war against her Majesty , or against Parliament , for the purpose of . inducing it to alter measures which it believed to be conducive to the

    welfare of tao state . Mr Hdhe . —Will the hon , and Inarnod gentleman state whether open and advised speaking was ever be . fore made a felony ? The . SoHCiToa Gznebai . . —Itis treason , Mr Home , — Treason 1 What statute makes it so ? The Solioitor QEHEUAL . —Open and avowed speaking , followed fey aa < mtt act , te tteaBW , ( ' Oh ! ' and Hear , ' ) Tho other speakers in favour of tho measure , but several of them with qualifications as , to ( he alteration or omission in committee of the gagging clause , were Sir It . InglU , Mr Anstey , Mr Aglioaby . lord Nugent , Mr P . Wood , Captain Arehdall , Mr H , Drummond , and Mr Horaman j those against the motion altogether Mr Osborne , Dr Bowring , Mr Munta , . Mr . Bright , Mr J . 0 'Council , Mr S . Crawford , and M ? Wakley , the latter hon . gentleman expressing his intention , unless the ot . noxious provisions , were removed , to throw every possible obstruttlon in the way of tbe progress of the measure .

    lord J . RcssEtt thought that tha words objeeted to in the clause about ' openly and advlsodly speaking ' were absolutely essential , and esplainsd the oDJect with ¦ which they were introductd in tho same terms which ho used on Friday night . It was on account of the eioitement and ( ear now prevailing tiitit government introduced this fciU , While he relied generally on tbe epirit of tho people to oppose such machinations , he eould net forget that there was one peculiar olsss which was par .

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    tieulariy interested in tbe speedy cessation of nuch ex . oitement and sueh fenr . The working classes were now tTposedto danger by tha exclteraento Biidressefl to tbcsi . Oogbt wo » ot , then , to endeavout ; to put an end to th « m , and to pnnlsh those who by urging the working classes to breaches of the peaoa , and to the levying of war ogafost out institutions , were patting in jeopardy thair dsarest interests ? He theB advorted to iho staid , majestic , nobla conduet of tbe people , and to tho attachment and love ( t > v tluii ! institutions whiflb thoy had or . bibited tbat morning ; it was owiag to tbe rospoct and

    confidence which that people reposed in tha force at tbe command of the government that government had feoen entitled to kttp the peace , which h would h& 76 no more besn able to keep wiihoat it than tho gorernmeat 8 * Berlin , Milan , and Vienna . When we contrasted oar situation as we aow stood , with our situation as it mjght bare been , had the result been different , there was no man but must highly value the institutions on which the comforts and the happiness of the people so mainly depended , Ia conclusion , he stated , that if he could believo that tua liberties of the people would be infringed by this bill , ke would not be a consenting party to it .

    The house then divided , when the second reading was carried by a majority of 417 , tbe numbers being 452 to 35 . On ths question that the bill be at once cozamiitod , 8 further discussion arose , Mr ( SUbdnkb , after very cons !* durable difficulty , obtained a hearing , and then only after having moved and wllbrawn a motion ior ibe adjournment of the house against the bill . Mr Hcme moved as an amendment that the bill be committed that day week , when the houss again divided —for tbe amendment 33 , against It 2 J 0 , majority , 197 . It was then moved that the house do adjourn , when a further division took place , for the motion 26 , against it , 228 . majority , 202 .

    Miat some further dlscnsslon the house ag&in dlvlcfed on the question of adjournment , —ayes , 24 , aees , 213 , majority , 189 ; when the bill was ordered to be flora . mined on Tuesday at twelve o ' clock , tho house sitting special !* at that boar for the parpoie . Tho latter parfl of the sitting was marked by great excitement , and the house did not rise till half-past ons o ' clock . TUESDAY , Armi , 11 . HOUSE OF 1 OIU > S , —POBBIOHEBS IN LOHJDOW , —TbC Duks of Beaufobt said , the nobl « Marquis ( Lansdowne } had called attentien yesterday ta the number of foreigna ? or sin London , and he waainfoimoft that persons la higb > official situations and othor foreigners rrcre no ? in Hie metropolis . He hoped thin country would aver ma $ a ~ tain the character which ehe had enjoyed as a refuge for those who were driven from their own couatry bymisfortune . He believed , hovfetor , that it \ m perfectly notorious tbat during the riots wbioh took place fit

    Berlin emissaries from the French eapltal were scon on > couragisg tbo people ; and in Italy tho tame thing bad occurred . A strong opinion prevailed , moreover , tbat sueh parsons were in tkis country prior to tho presentation of a cetaia petition yesterday In tbe other house of parliamsnt , and he wished , therefore , to know whether , since the repeal of the Alien Act , there was any power in the hands of tbe government cnablisg the removal of forefgnere , and if such power did not eiist , whether f& was the intention of the government to take any steps ia rsferonce to the matter ? There was , also , s society ca )!» a the National Convention , which uerer had beta recognised by the government , but still the society ex . lated , and it appeared to him that the existence of th& 4 Boolety ought to be taken into consideration , aad ho should like to knot ? whether tbe government had any intention of taking measures to put down that society 3 ( Hear , hear . )

    The Marquis of Lih&BoWHB Said , that with * es $ eftS to tbe first question , he was desirous of giving ihc most satisfactory answer . There were no provisions at pre « ssnt , by means of which the conduct of aliens in this country could bo controlled , otherwise than as her Mo . josty ' t subjects ; but in answer totbe question -Bhatner it wa 9 the intention of her M » jesty ' a government to tabs any step on the subject , hs held in his band a bill which he proposed laying on the table to obtain power for tbat purpose . Although it was not aeoeosary for him to preface any application for laying sach a bill on the table , be yet hoped , under the peculiar circumstances , and with a view to the expediency of passing that bill into 8 law as ipeedily as convenient , ha might be permitted to make a very few observations . ( Hear , hear . ) Theneblo

    marquis proceeded : I am the last person to wish tbfl * there should exist » ny permanent larria this country prescribing' the coaduct , or prohibiting the residence of any forelgnars , other than the usual laws which osist with respect to all her Majesty ' s snbjeotj , and I har © b&fora b » en instrumental ! n procuring a modification o £ tho laiv on that subject ; but I certainly am of opinion that , desirable an it is that thia country should , upon all occasions , afford hospitality to all these foreigners , whettwr monarchical , constitutional , or republican , who may visit these shores , and wbo come prepared to obey the laws and to act the part of obedient inbjects during tbe residence they obtain und « r the favour of tbo law , —whilst I ifaink tbls desirable , I cannot conceal from myself , when I Bee the caueeB bow in operation—«

    when I « ea the lacreaaei number of foreigners" in Lon > don—when I regard the peculiar circumstances under waicb they have reosntlj visited this country—wien I know they come under various influences , and those not the accustomed influences of pleasure or business , bnt MueBoeB of a totally aifforent description—I cannot but think it fit that the govsrmsent should have vested in them the power , for o limited time , in certain caBes , to compel the departure of any such peraoHs as they may think fit , ( Cheers , ) i 8 m BMhoriaed to etaie tbat suca is tho opinion of the Lord * Lleut » nant of Ireland , as well aB the rest of her Majesty ' s government , ( Cheers . ) Whea I hear it proclaimed avowedly thatt there are a number of these persons preparad t © take & part in the internal affairs of this csuntry—above all , when I hear it proclaimed by a person who would bo equally guilty U misleading his fellow-sabjicts in this

    rospect , that there ara forty or fifty thousand persona from a neighbouring foreign nation , prepared and de « sirous of taking aa opportunity of upsetting the govern , meat of this country—when I hear those assertions made , and don ' t know the extent to whiob they are true—but wben I know there are crowds of porsons resorting to this country , whose motives can ' t at this moment be ascertained , it is , I believe , the daty of the government and the parliament tostand armad irithii rcapect against any exigenoioa tbat may arise . ( Caeera . ) I deaUa merely to state tbe grounds on whiph I wish to lsy this bill oh tha table ; aaS , if your lordships approve of it , I shall propose the reading of it a second time on Thure . day next , and ask your lordships to proosed with , it with as Uttl « delay as possible . ( Lmd cheers ) The noble marquis was understood to decline answering the second question aa to the National Convention ,

    The Eari of Haiubbbu&t tnoagst itae time was come when foreigners visiting this country should be under peculiar surveillance ; but heknewthst several foreigners in London , among whom wa « Prince Louis Buonaparte , bad offered their assistance to the government to preserve the peace yesterday . ( Hear . ) Affhbb of Italy , —Lord Brotjohah then moved for the production ot certain corrospondenco ootween tne British government and thai ef Sardinia . Tho noble lord seizad the opportunity to pass in r » view a portion of tho

    recent events which havo agitated Europe , and especially singled out the KiDff of Sardinia and tne rOpa as too objects of his attack . He then passed on to Paris , and declared that he looked with far more dread at what was passing there than at the events which had taken place ia Italy . He entertained personally the greatest reBpecfc for several of the illustrious men who formed part of the provisional government , bat if he wore asked whether he had any confidence in them , governed as they ore by the multitude , he must confeBB he felt no eoDfiJence i » them at all .

    The Marquis of I / Aksdownb would not otteapt to follow the noble l 6 rd Into tho various details of his speooh , but had no objection to produce the papers In question . Their lordships then adjourned . THE HOUSE OP COMMONS mat at twel ™ o ' clock , for the speolal purpose of proceeding with the Crown at \ d Ssve ' rnment Security Bill , v Previous to proceeding to business , however , Mr S . O ' Bbiek wished to aak the right hon . gentleman tho Secretary for the Hoaae Department , whether ho had given directions that the letters of Repealers passing through , the Post-office should bs op » ned , for he ( Mr O'Brien ) had that morning received a letter wblcb . had evidently been opened ?

    Sir 6 . Gbet : I can give the most unqualified controdictlon to any such assertion . ( Cheers . ) No order of the kind hns been giran or is in contemplation . If the hoa . gentleman has received a letter which bas been opened , I should recommead him to apply to the Postmuster . General immediately , and . inquiry will be made into toe circumstance ) , Cbown and Government Secobity Bill . —On tbe order of the day for going into committee on this bill , Mr F . O'CwwoRsaid , ha had already state dhia intention , upsn tha introduction of thia bill , io give it all tho opposition which tha forms of the hous would permit , and , ia pursuance of that notice , b e aow rose to meet ifc in its preaenfc stage . He had already presented a petition , signed by thousands of t he people of this metropolis , against the bill , and ho knew very well that if time were afforded to the country at large to expres 9 an opinion npon it , tho table of tho house would bo covered with similar

    petitions . ( Hear , hear . ) And although it had been stated by some hon . members that it was their intention to look for some modifications , and to propose some alterations of this bill , he looked upon it as so unconstitutional in its principle , that no should gire „ the houBe an opportunity of expressing its opinion upon it in every stage . It was notorious that for many yeare the principles of the right hon . baronet , the member fer Tamwtu ( Sir R . Pwl ) had bee n ^^ acted upon by the present government , viz . ^ hafcSTV vj ^ . eentralising all power within the House ¦ WX 3 oh ^ - ~^ fr ^ mons ; and the effect of the eentralisatioaHLK ^ ' ^ % power within the House of Commons waa tWJp& . ^ .-K , X ? the influence of public meetings , public < v « i ^ i ^ 'l < , £ i ; ' # r / 5 and public speatring outside tho House of ( $ m jiEp ^ v \ k ^ Cffi Hear , hear . ) They were perfectly awareHa-v&Jn'flo ^ t ~ Spain , for instance , where the elective francjilsal ' m ^ iij ^ fef i ] limited to about 96 , 000 of the population (^ icffipig ^ iHifc wi very large ) the country ( vaa continually in S ^ t ^ oF ^' n , C 5 convulsion ; and the emeuies which had . taSM wW ^ F ' W in France were the result of a similar eau 3 e . ^ e # ^~ 7 \ a hear . ) Those emeutes were coaoooted in secret dSLO ^

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• Citation
  • Northern Star (1837-1852), April 15, 1848, page 3, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct1466/page/3/