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      Baste ;* of Preiton offered the umr prleu as at Bokon . Ih ; s « ho . vidth 4 ttlictnen were rather r ' ght in the de « man . 1 they bod made . ( Henr , hear . ) .. But the masters tloaght proper t « connect 3 > ct > n&itoi with ttsose prices , yiz .. thatlf the men retornfd to their work , none of tl em should belo-ig to a Utdn union or ronfeoeracy of work eg men . The men , in a mania- r he thought honoarthl'i to thcmsi If es , woul * . not succumb to the rasters on tbUptfnt . There was no law Bgatatt combinations , eltberofmastcrgcrmm . The matters often rtwn binttt to reduce wyges , and the mm saw no rea-on w hy tney ehovld not comKine to raise them when ih « y •¦* <» ' And yet tbi « was quoted as an instance o / the « Knu Of the lorldnjt classes ! Bat he begged to te . l the rn y Comr ii . that in quotine this instance th y «*• ' ' ¦ V * - - ^• f-HlA ^ w ^^^ S ^ S da see were not now > oignorant » »" thenless trKeStbev used to have . The > **" + *¦ , r taaetet * of Preiton offered thc umrprlcn as at Bolton . mt-. . . .. . . * . _

      . « Se ^ e ^^ - ^^ - ? Sovoil lh em « ulres in reproductive lahonr in ttei- own w orkshops , it wou'd be a matter of no con-¦ tanVr . ee to them whether the master * to-k them back tain « r not . In the csse of lof M injustice Units ; inflfcfff < " > * r > y O the trades , this aworiation would brinsr the whole weight of its influence ta bear nprm it . an « i no InterjKife an cflicisnt harrier agninst the commfction of those ac t * of oppression wMch were endured by working men when powerless to re > i « t . Tbil was a new scheme , wMeh did honour to the working men , and showed they baJmoreenlishtened views than thej co « cr . dit for . He fonnd that it bad worked admirably » o far p « it Ji » - « gono . When at Nottingham , las ! week , he had lacn informed

      by the frame-work knitters that ihry « ro s'icc » niiU ; resisted no less than 18 reductions of waacs . Th » y wero BOW experiencing practically the advantage . of ihe new system . lie therefor ? r-peafrd . when Hie e » Tfrnmi-nt alleged ignorance against the working das * a . tb « -y « l ; d not know what was golnff on in the country amom : that dues . The effect or the measure would be t . l-crt-a ^ the influence of the crown and thr pttrona ^ ofiioveriittent . If the house weuld but c » n --iderthe mrasur << which had recently pa « i ' 1 they tnu « t say that thi * ii . 6 nen ^ e and patronage wu < likely tobesrett y cxt-nded . They had lately given n scat to am mb . ro ! the hoove as commissioner ofrailnajs . That g . Mit ;< -man was , he inpposed , to go out » nd co ^ ae in with thf K 07 rnmnn of the day , thus creating a new seat connects with go- , eminent Let them look also to the pttronspe of tf . e local

      courts , and the number of jodg « nlrea-Jy . or ? p . < Mi , j : i > be appointed , and the ; would « e « th . it v' -t * o ^ atf *•* inv . menfe extent was al ea-lyin their 1-an . K Therein also to be a new board of Lealth it towns . « n 4 < n < twct . rp to be appointed under government . Mor * jutronugj api-in . They were about to tnnke ( ou < - iu « bishops Mi re patronage again . And as « ach of » h ; vacanrles in the house was to be filled op hy on * ¦ f thtm , contrary to the principle I » id down hy government in the lifobops ' Act , sheyWere also dep « ndint on the gav-.-rnment of tl-c dav . There , too , were the gratuities of ihe Pmy Council among the schoolmasters and teach-r * . At the en- ' of fifteen yean each of them arc tor * ctive a prnslov .. There w . is many a deserving curate at ' . hi- end of twenu years service who received no such penn on : hit on ? of these schoolmtstm . wh « Wan at twe-. tv

      yecrs' of age , could be placed on a pension at 'he end of fifteen years , while he was y < t young . This wa * an enrnnons amount of patronage . It would , hrJio rr . lieted , create great corruption ; and he wanted to know trhst reason there was why tie house , which oertalniv sras competent to the txk . should not appoint g coin . Bali e to inquire into the ultimate good of the scheme . Is he had hlready laid , no one couH tell him within half a million what the cost of the measure would be In a (< vr years to come . The ' nobl- ^ lord stated there were many objections to the plan , « om * of which had great force . Wh / , then , were they not to be examined by a committee , and if unreasonable declared to br « o t If they < Ud not give a fair hearing to : b ? opponents of thu mea ^ nre . a vtry bad impression would be created abroad as to their conduct . Vfhy . li ? aslied again , thonld they

      fl n .-h from the appointment of a fair and impartial committee ! All he knew was that if they shrank from applying a probe which would search this measure theroafhly , he , and others along with him , wonM come to the conclusion that there was something ; In it which conl J cot bear the light of day . and that their real oh . ject wai to increase and auuiveut their own power , Tiodtr the influence of the Cr « wn . rather than to instruct the people , and the result would be that , instead *^ being well educated , the people would become an ec Flared and corrupted people . ( Hear , hear . ) With tb . es * rem « rV « be bagged to move the motion of which he had giv « n notice : — " That , previous to any grant of anv public

      money being assented to by this House for the purpoie Of carrying oat the Kheme of national pdwatilm , as derelopd in the minutes of the Committee of Council on Education in August and December last ( which minutes have been presented to both Iloutcs of Parliament by command of her Mxjesty ) -, a select committee be appointed , to inquire into the justice and expediency of such scheme , and i'f probable annual root . Also , to inquire whether the regulations attached thereto da not tindnly iccreate th >* influence of the Crown , invade the constitutional functions of Parliament , and interfere with the religious convictions , and this civil rights of her Maj-sty ' s subjects . " Viscount DnKciN seconded the motion .

      Sir R . Thglis supported the government plan as the test which he conld expect from the house as now c-in ititatei .

      Mr Hacatjiai observed that , as the first act which he had performed as a member of the Privy Council was to give his absent to this minute , he felt hhuelf particularly called upon to ooma forward on tbi » occasion to defend it . He did not istend to follow Mr Buncombe cloiely through his speech ; for , notwithstanding all the local anecdotes , all the personal anecdotes , and all the collateral questions into which he had entered , be could not disconr what Mr Dancombe ' * opinion was on the main question of that evening—namely , whether the education of the people was something to which the state ought to attend ! He ( Mr Uacaulay ) was prepared to argue thnt it was the right and the duty of the state to provide for the education of the common people . The first object of every government was to take effectual means for securing the property of persons of its

      subjects ; and the most tffectoal means for accomplisbinir that object was education . Al an illustration of the danger which existed to persons and property from the Ignorance of the common people , the right hon . gentleman alluded to the riots of 1780 , which wers perpetrated by " heathens in the midst of Christianity , and by savages in the midst of civili » ition . " 100 , 000 ignorant men rose up in London at the mere call of a madman . For a week , £ oadon was in the power of a mob , and th ' rty-six fires in one day were blazing in diSerant part * of it . To the came cause might be attributed the Nottingham riots , the Bristol riots , the Swing fires , the incendiarism and de-- ¦ traction of machinery which occurred some year * aeo in different parti of the country . Such outrages could not have taken place had the labouring population been taught to mere their Maker , to fear their king , to love

      their neighbour , and to seek redress of wrongs by peaceful and constitutional means . He showed that the doty of educating thepeople had been adroe « ted by tke political legislators and philosophers of all ages—by all the Champions of civil and religious liberty in all countries , and more especially by the nonconformists of England , who resisted the ecclesiastical tyranny of Laud in the seventeenth csnlury . "Educate the people" was the constant language of Washington and Jtffrr $ on to their countrymen in America ; and those who maintained the contrary must consider government at a great hangman , and must be prepared to make thoso whom education Bsi ^ ht elevate into the ornaments , the Tictims of society . Those , thsreforf i who raised a clamour in 1816 against State education in this country , condemned the memories which they were wont to reverence , and condemned

      themselves also , their conduct now not being in strict conformity with wliatit was previ as to that period . Want was contended for now , by the opponents of the government scheme of education was , that tbejtnatter s' . ould be left to free competition . That principle might be practicable and excellent la regard to trade , but it was utterly impracticable so far as education was concerned . As to the comparative merits of the two sysUms—that of free competition , and that of state interference—they had Only to look , in deciding between them , to what free competition had done for England . The former principle had been tried for centuries in this , one of the richest countries under heaven , and failed . But they were still told to wait with patience , and that the voluntary principle , or that of free competition , would do everything , They bad been waiting with patience ever since the Hep .

      tarchy , and what had they gained by it ! The country h . d applied the principle of free competition to a subject to which it was inapplicable . For nearly the last two centuries the rival principles had been well tested in England and Scotland . The latter country had become completely revolutionized in its social , moral , political , intellectual , and material condition since the yearlC 96 , when the Parliament of Scotland passed an act for the establishment of a state education , and its prtgreu furnished an irrefragable argnmen * in favonr of the state interfering for the purpose of promoting the education < f the common people . To descend from higher considerations , the state had everything to gain , even in a financial point of view , from properly educating the people . Some parties affected to be alarmed at the administration of the proposed expenditure for education ; but he ctuld tssure them that the proposed expenditure was placed

      under every check . Nor did the proposed scheme confer any undue power upon the government . Government could not appoint the schoolmasters—the g vernment ould not dismiss them ; whilst they could be dUmisted independently of the government . As to the objection founded upon the allegation of religious persecution , it was met by the ouster-statement , which could easily be sustained , that the proposed scheme was one of prrfect fairness . No advantage was intended to be given to achools connected with the church , which was not to be equally conferred upon the schools of Dissenters . This being so , he confidently aypealtd to the country , to which they would all , ere Jong , have to render an account of their stewardship , to support the government , and to posterity , which would rtflect with astonishment that the opposition to such a scheme of education was offered in the name of civil and religious liberty .

      Mr RoxaccK agreed with all the premises of the right honourabl egenUeman . bot disagreed with bis conclusions Xooae doubted bat that It was the duty of the State liberally to provide for the education of the people . But

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      • t was the duty of the Government , in undertaking the jjreat task of public education , not to throw any unneces . sary obstacles in the way of carrying out its first great and afkuowledgedduty . What he chatged the Govern- ' men twith . in the present instance , was throwing snch oto taclen in the way ef their own scheme . With liberal ' professions in favour of education , the schtmo they now proposed was of a narrow and sectarian character It ' was narrow because not disconnected with Met , and sec ' tarian _ b ec ause it sided with the majority of those whecarned t 1 , pn- c . plos of sectnriani . m intD nil warfare of ifammtfa : the ChurchataU ! What was the Church for ! 1 m ^ t 'P . . 31 " « PP ° rted by the S . aJe . but to prondefor the relipns mn ti of the country ! If wehad Hwa . the duty of the Government , in unde rtaking the ... ' r Li :. . J . iniCnn .. ti . iL . "

      a church to provide for our rdigiour . want * , " why should we not have fcneols to provide us with education , independently Of the Church . We were now very nrar a gane . raleicction , and with that event before them Gournroent had made an attempt lo conciliate parties that were irrt . conciUahle , and hed thus exasperated those wlw befora were not very friendly to each other . So long as G jv \ rument mixed up national with religious education , its endeavours would fail , and would produce nothing but cavilling and collision out of the house . At the same time he confessed bis conviction , that all the argument about the increase of patronage attendant on this scheme wn « idle and fallacious , and unworthy of a n omem ' s serious coBfid . ibtion . The rijjht honourable gentleman spoke of Lord George Gordon ' s mob and of the Bristol

      riots ; but what , be would ask , was the Gordon mob but an anti-Catholic mob , and niiat also was the right hon . centleinan ' s plan but an anti-Catholic plan . ( Hear , hc * r . ) He thought the government bad thrown away most un ortunately a grrnt opportunity for giviug a dect-< ivc Mow to bigotry ami sectarian intolerance . The petitions which had buen laid un the table that day showed that there wer * as many hating sects as thtre were riligi . on * denominations in the country . The ru-ht honourable ^¦ ntleinan appealed to posterity , but he would also do so ui ' l he had no doubt but that th » time would come when jn-ople would say that nn adminislraticn with civil and r . lij : iou !« liberty on their li ps , had , when tlitv came to P .. wer , halted in theircatetr of improvement , ' tremble d * -hei . th < y onght to have been brave , and had at the mo-. it . nt « tu-n their courago should have bi ^ n aroused turned tnil and fl . d from the encounter . Men would read hi * appeal , and they would frame an answer to it them-! thouRh

      » eve « . For liiipself , ho was no prophet , he would venture t . t forctel what asuredl y would happen . Some £ !>>¦ woulil sttp betore this so-called liberal administration , at-d , seiing the great fault they had committed , «» uld dothf deed" upon wbicbtVey had halted . The <' ay wasnnt far distant , he fanded , wken this prophecy would herealized ; and tftta' { iaei wus a sort of index to tlii four- ' , the same hand which struck down the cornlaw w . uid erect a really iiberal ryrtcni of education . ( Cheers . ) ni- had guarded hims . 'lf , completely ho thought , in ihe vote he was about t » give . He agreed it ws := tli- duty uftjovernmentto educate the people ; but the ru !) t honourable gentleman had not made out the plan tv r-eba ^ d upon that priuciple ; fur it had a narrow , seci . ' . mn , unwoithv mode of attempting to gnin a grcr . t em ) , when , if tho government had had the courage to ; =.. ' . ¦ i >? hi- r . pht mi ans , they mi ^ rht have assumed , not c . ny th ... t it u »« their <) uty to teach the peoplo , but have rea'lv f tillrd th ? ir mission .

      ;•! r Ew ^ jit moved the ailjournment of the debate ; and it iv . k ti -mi . liiigiy adjourned . Tli-. (!• . •;¦ r or . l rf < of the day were then disposed of , and the uo ! o Haunted at a qu : irter-j > ist twelve . TUESDAY , Aphil 20 . IIOTTSE OP r . uKDS . —Mdtint Bill ( TBANsrOTTl-Ti .-:- ) .- ' mi Hi unuion for the third reading of the M «? if ! V r ;•;• . En > i UhEi moved the third reading i » f tho Mutiny Bill , rtn' 5 mum ' . m rj > iy to a question <> f fae Earl of Ellmbor jiii : ! :. tiiat it « »« Rntintuniled tnenlstitute jmprisonm ? o i i- : » i r ;« i « f transportation fpr ¦ . ff « n « -s committed by eoiiV . tia in India .

      J . orj itHnFonaM flew off , at the mention of transport * . Ji'Ti . ii t ,. u » eLemen « protect against the new doctrine pros ., i ,.-ti . 1 by t ! ie goverunitnt with regard to that liunUfcuunt . Is . \ V 5 . « . monstrous , \ uo monstrous to sup-P" - ? t ; - ^ t "i : « ttvvrrnmrnt pos 8 t- * vi ! the power of alterl- \ z \' . \ w fi initial lav « f the country , nnd that they should , "hi-ji :. iii . ' pe senuncod a pricnuor to bo transported fur : < u- ! wn > » i » rs , claim the right ta iwprison him for tbi ssu .. period . Ti < e fact was , that transportation could not ba suspstirttd « cept by act of Parliament , and their lordship ; ivoulil see , when be presented the rejHirt d tbe Comc-. ittee on Criminal Law , that the 24 judges of England . Ireland , ani Scotland were unani . nou ? onth * * ubj » -cr . When V . mt report was presented h ; ' * hi > n '' l ron-i ^ er ithisdn'y to bring the whol e question pioniiis- nijv i . > forc trie house .

      E ir ' < Grit said i * n . it the nobls lord iras ( orrified at a chinicra tni-ed up l- . v nn effort « . { his ! h : m ^ ; , ati » n ; for there was no foundation in fact for a single word that he bad uMertri . No one hud ever claimed tor the government O : «; riijnt to ! i : « . er ihe criminui law ; the question before i ± e l ; ouse r'ast'if transpurtation ot military convicts , andti !< - nobie lord li : id supped beioii . i : t in order to state liispsrticn ' -ir opiuinn on : r . » nspt . rta : ion in general . He eauld account for the uoble and lem-iied lord ' s speech from tioother reason but hiseitr nit .-. tixiety , in season and O > lt cf season , vilti reason or whh-. < ut reason , whether worth t ^ eirlor . Isbip ' - attention f-r not worth it , under all eircumstam-estiniiiui all occasion ? , to hear disown voiee in tk ^ t house . ( LauKhter . ) Lord BsocotUM sain , if that were the case , he wa un . fortunately now spenking in a place where it was not very easy t » hear either his on n or any one eUo ' s voice . Th •• E . irl of SciFi > lk rose to order .

      Lord KKoCGBiM continued : II tbe noble carl had obs : rvi-ri more clopelythe procccdirgs of their lordships ' hou * t he wuuid know that there , was uo one which was so little attended to as the order * of that house . ( Laughter . ) He would teach the noble earl one short lesson , which would save hhn tbe trouble of calling order in future . He would beg to explain : > the noble earl that there was nothing more clear timo this , namely , that no noril ' .- lord should speak « hin rhuv was no question before the house , and yet he would appeal to tbeir lordships—not to the noble earl , but to ail their lordships wbo wctc in the habit of attending iu their placeswhether there was anything ciorc- common than for noble lords to speak , not once , bur hulf-a-dozen times , when uo question whatever « ai before them ! He

      should , of course , except him ^ eii . ( Laughter ) He stiouli beg also to intorm the iwb ' . e earl wko had inter , rupt'dhim , as well ns the n . ^ bk t-ax \ before him , that he would « n all occasions discharge his duty as long an he had the faculty of making himself heard ; but when their lordriiips ceased to pay attention to him then he would know that it was time tor him to cease speaking oh any subset . He bad been fittirg in that house for fi . ttn or sixteen years or up >> aiis , and he never yet , until that moment , heard such—lie would not call it a sneer , for that implied sonict ' mig clever , something that sank , that embalmed itselt in the memory , by having an opigrammatic stinp attached to it , as that of the noble earl , and he ehouiri , therefore , lenve it with the most perfect snd entire comp ' . ncenrj without farther notice .

      Tl . e bill was then read a third time « nd passed . The M-irine Mutiny Bill , tbe ln £ ttmuty Bill , and the Eicruquer . bills Bill , were also severally read a third time and passed . Wasti Lands , Ac . ( Ibelamd ) BjtL The Marquis of Webthsatb , in moving the second rending of this bill , said that its object was to prevent the waste of lands by cottiers and small t ? n : > nts , ami to place some restraint upon the subdivision of holdings . It was neither more nor less than a new bill copied » oij for word from tbe Act 0 Geo . IV ., c . 96 , aud its object itat to extend to irelaad the same protection which existed in Eugland an . i Scot , land . In Scotland , ifany inj « iy t » land were apprehended , a remedy was easily obtained by appiieution to ihe sheriff , wbo immeniately restrained tho ; j . irty suspected to be

      about to effect the injury , but no such law or practice existed in Ireland . The only remedy tvas to be obtained through the Court ot Chancery . Bu ' if a man , possessing anything like tin extensive vc : « ce in that country , were to hope to obtain a reuitiiy in tin . Court ot Chancery , it would be sooit found that the txp : nses of the proceed , ing ? , where the holdings were * niail and numerous , would eat up the whole vaiuc :, i tlic estate . In Great Britain there was as easy a remedy . In Scotland tl'ere was the same ; bur in Ireland a remedj not only did not exist , but had been hitberto refused , because such a measure would iuterfere « UU Ihc privileges of the Court of Chancery , and witti the fres of those nho derived their living under it . Ciu ' cr such a system , property might be nnd .- du .-k « aui 'Ir . ikes of belore the landlord could interfere . TU- - m ' . ' ; npneattd to

      be'Law enough if yoa please , in U-eland , but no justice . " If such ameasurt were nn-mai ? ti England it would bB pxssed through Parliament in f . vc citiutes . The L » aD CatycEuoa opj «) s < d tin- bill , which be contended was b . iiilj framed , ar . d t ' : > o provisions of which would be totally inadtquate to « p . « ur .- justice to all tbe parties . It would exaggerb't : txir . tingi . vils , an > confer powers not p ^ segaed by eitii . ^ r fiiigli ^ h or Irish landlords . That many evils in ttia relation of landlurd and ituautin Ireland existed he . tdmtrtid , ; inu if a bill t&a would remedy them should he proposed he would be rea * ty to support it . Lor . » Campbell , Beaumont , nflrt Mtmteagle , saving briefly sprtkaootitae 8 ubj <« , u > v l Uv ( iui » wa » vsvsuaiitd , th- ugn very reluctantly , to r .:: Udi-aw his bill , aud tbe Uou ? e aOj'iurued . HOUSK OP COMUOKS . —I . crd J . RnB > , ELL obtained leave to brin ^ in a bill tor : i ia £ ridir . ); svvrtal Acts for the appointment of Ecclesiastic . . ! Cominissloners for England . Leave was giren to Mi - W < . Ki . r . v to bring in a bill for

      the registration of Ificalls . q ; vili ; kd practitioners in melicine , and to aunead the i . n-s ru ' ating to the practice oi ineriu-ini : in Great Britain . i < i >< Jrelund . Mr LtBoccDCBB again potip . ; .. d Lis motion to bring in a bill forth- * reclamation -jf vuste lanis in In laud until Tuesday next . Mr Bodtebie then moved for end obtained li ava to bring in a bill for amending ihj acis for tiie erectiou of onmy buililings , llEnoYouiAH BoitD ' . Nas Act , — Lord Moi . Pf . TB nave notice that he would move f « , » -1 < hve ic bttu ? : ii u bill in orthrto make some anu > uunicnts in ths i'uiroiiolitan BuilAir . gs Act . AJr T . 1 / oscoMBE eaia , ttat in conscquei . cu of what bad fallen from the noble 1 .-. J , i 18 wouid p ^ ipuneto Thursiiay week the followiut : i . vv . ion . of which he had given notice—TliataBclectw . mwi < ice honpp ,, inted to inquire into the operation ot the M < ui ^ oilu * Uui tt luci Act , and that the petition ofJoli a XodUM . rrick p ^ er atainctacd mauufacturer , whjvfe tt » 8 preseuu ^ m , OT

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      * he 29 th day of March last , be referred to the laid committee , to report their opinion , with . he ' evidence , to the house . There was little doubt that nobill ha * ever worked so ill as that which the noble lord was about to amend , Sir 0 . Gbet gave notice for the 29 th instant to move for leave to brin * in a bill to provide for the better adminiatration ol the laws relating to the poor in England and Wales . * EDUCAT . OK--ADJ 00 El . ED DEBATE .-The adjourn .- ! debute on Education was then resumed by MrEwtRT . who gaveinhls adhesion to various part * of the-government scheme , but objected toothers He objected , in the first place , to making the schoolmaster a tcaclar of religion , flhich was tbe " main general objection" which he hail to the educational plan now before the house . His "apecial orjuetion" wnithnt , whilst he wi »|; ed to do all tliat wns prac : icible and ailt he 29 thd » Tof March last be refers ?„ . 1 , ... *•«• " ubj u » MurfcU l »»» , ue reievr BU tO the SftM ; KAiu .

      vuab ' . e to elevate the condition of the schoolmaster , lie did not think that tKe proptr way in which to tftYet so diairable au end was to grant retiring pensions , or to give occasional gratuities to schoolmasters . Thatfeutuie of the sent mo was also objectionable , In his opinion which pro rided for appolntnunts under governnuut f « r unsuccessful candidates for exhibitions in the normal schools alone , which appointment , he maintained , shou'd be thrown open to general free competition , on thepriiiciple of irapartial examination . Such wtre th- ground * on iM ta « objected to tho Bcliem ., in V m , W » oppO Tiofl ? i T «/ " * ? " tntirc l " . I- .. me pur ion . of which ho " traced the 8 i » plo elements of pr . « rt « 8 » His otycctions ; to the schemo w . ro cmbodiert in thamfcndmenu which . tood in hh name on the pap . r , and whioh he would move , if it were oompotcnt for bta lo do m ; , ? r v - amendnlenl 8 t 0 the 8 fhe «« ' ofthepov . rn . mm . i i !?* 8 ome P orti ° nBOfthat schtmewithfa . Dun h notTOtefor ' » e motion presented by Mr

      Sir C . Napieb could not conscientiously vote for any plan of education from the benefits of w > , ic ) . M ° ehfded Cath ° IiCS 8 nd Dissenters wouW blJ practicail > TheEarl ofSoBBErhad notmade up hi . mind a « to his vote without u painful ttr toi Qn Oie one U ( . found that fiv ., this greatgrant for education at the « - pona , Of the State , the Romau Caiholics were exclun . d . How then coula LortJ . Russell expect the support of Koman Catholic members if Ins lordshi p had correctly chalk ; dout he course to be taken b , tile Committee o-P yy com . c . 1 ! How could Roman Catholic member * brink from coming forward in support of the othtr friends of religious freedom 1 He . therefore , thanked Mr 1 . Duucombe , Sir C . Napier , and others , for tbe opposition which vnej fcaQ given to that pur » of ibe government scheme . It was true that Lor , l J . BumuM had said th-. » t he did not camMer hitugeif predudeii from proposing hereafter a minute in favour of the Ho .

      m . m Catholics ; but he had refrained from sajiug when he would do so , and he ( the Earl of Sumy ) knew well tbat , if bis lordship proposed it separately , it would ce exposed to the hostility of every other class of Dissenters That was one side of the question . On the other , he saw the country in a deplorable condition of ignorance , and the gaols full of criminals ignorant of the very name of God . The Eomau Catholics , whoso missiomules hsil been so successful in spreading religious truth in every quarter of the globe , were excluded by this scheme fioui contributing their efforts to emancipate their fellowcountrymen fiom ignorance . But though such was the case , they would gain nothing by excluding others from such a task . He should sot , therefore , stand iu the wuv of education to others , though education was refused to the membtM of his oub creed . He would throw over every jealousy and would grant his support to the scheme now propounded hy government . ( Great chceri : >? from all sides of the house . )

      Mr Set her supported the Ministerial scheme , and in the course ofhis speech gave the following de .-criptiun 01 pupils and teachers in therutaV districts : in the poorlaw unions of Norfolk nnd Suffolk , which were r ' uir sptci . metis o < agricultural districts , one-half of tbe inmates above 10 , could neither read nor write at oil , or could only do so imperfectly—and more especially when he mmembcred what was meant by reading and wriduK " imperfectly " When tbe term readimperfeetlj " wusu » id , ' it meant that reading wus always a trouble and u task to the person , and that be was obliged to spell almost every word . And as for " writing imperfectly , "—hud hwi . gentlemen ever seen a labouring man sign his name t First he looked at the pen , then he looked at the ink , then at the paper , end at length after suuilry tioudenm *

      groans , he made some extraordinary huroglyphic , worthy the attention of M , Champollion or Sir Gardiner Wiikitisun ( cheers and langbter ) . Hon . gentlemen who were acquainted with the rural districts would know that the boys , on leaving school , were generally empl yt d in the dignified occupation of bird-keeping . There they sat the greater part of the day under a hedge , passing their lives in a state , of dreamy existence .. Thr ) naw a rook , and they apostrophised him as a " blntlt riitunl ;! ' aud that was tbeir occupation ; or if they were of a nii . re active temperament , they employed ihcm ^ elv g ,, ltku ; i Transatlantic senator , with hijwbittlittgknite , iu cutting notches on a post ( great laughter ) , TIiom ; wcto tUc pupils . Next he catue to tho masters . M « u were generally made schoolmasters beoause they were unfit fur

      anything cl 6 e . It a man lost a > leg or an arm , ti < c firs ' , thing he did was to look for a turnpike ; or failing an empty turnpike , he next applied for the situation of village schoolmaster , and very otten with success He did not mean to say that such a man would bu employed in spite of a bad moral character ; but he certainly would in spite of tbe absence of tbote intellectutil qualifications which should fit him for his oQoe . And lie did not blame those who employed him much , for there was little competition for the place , and they were glad to relieve the parish from the burthen of . a large family , biosuao somehow or other such men alwajs had large fivajilits ( ji laugh ) , Hon . gentlemen might say that he was making a bad case for himself , for that be was now detoribiug schools in the agricultural district * , which for tbu most

      part belonged totha Church of England . That was-tiue ; but he did not at all wish to blink the truth with regard to those schools . Ho was tired of friendly reports tlrawu up by friendly secretaries , and read before friendly com . inittees . Ho was tired of allthat . lie wished to conceal nothing , but wanted a fair and impartial inspection by the government . ( Hear , hear . ) If he turned to tunn tchools , however , he found that tbe same tiling was the case . He held in hi a hand a short extract from a valuable publication of the Statistical Society , who appointed a cuniuiitteu to inquire into the subject . That report stated that tbe mist .-esses of common daily schooU were sometime * pers . me unable to go to service from i ]) nef 3 , orincoB ? equeuce 0 f being the mothers of large familiefl , or from a desire to

      remain at home to nurse a sick parent . A large portion ef the masters of common or middling daily schools wcro men in diatrewtd circumstances , or bad fulled iu trade , andha £ taken up the profession of a schoolmastt r » s a last resource . The report added that the commi ttee had scarcely ever entered into conversation with the proprietors of a common or middling day eohoul , but th « y . begun to talk of being better off . A question had been asked of the teacher in a dame ' s school with regard to tho amount of remuneration which she received , ana the amount of knowledge which aha imparted , and . her answer was , " It ' s little they pnys ns nnd it ' s little wu teach tbem , " ( Laughter . ) Such as he had desoiibed being the state of education in the country , and . t > ucfe being tbe condition of the schoolmasters , how were the

      government to meet the evil ? By placing the school masters in a better condition thuu that which tuev at present occupy , uiaking their situation more honourable , and giving them a corresponding udvantage tuur several yearj spent in the service of the country , for It was truly in the service of the country . ( Hear , beur . ) Those who- supported the measure of the government did not do so with a wish to fill the church by erogijing the chapel , but with a wish to reclaim tliuse parties who go neither to church nor chape ) , and wh » were growiDg up in ignorance . At whoso expense was it proposed to carry out this plan 1 Not at tbe expense of tbe dis enters , but ; at the expense of vice and bra tal ignorance iu which millions were now pillaged , ana which led to practical Atheism .

      Mr Agmonbx opposed the scheme , because he const dered that whilst it positively excluded some from its benefits , it inuireetly excluded others , and thus deprived large masBes of the people of the advantages that a general state education professed to ufford . Lord Sasdon , although he objected to sonui port ons of the government plan , hailed it , on tho whole , as u great step in the tight direction . It did not treat religiou witb disregard , though it conformed Itself to the habits and feelings of tho country . UrOiBBOBNE argued tbat the state ought not to Interfere in the promotion of education , and was procecJing in his remarks , when Mr Roebuck moved that the house be counted ; but forty members having been found present , the debate proceeded .

      Mr Cibbobse continued , in proof of his proposition that national education was not conducive to uatiooiil benefits , he instanced the case of Prussia , the educatioaal system of which had left that country at a loner point iu [ the scale of morality than any o ; ber country in Getmnnj ¦ Nor could he agree wiih Mr . Macaulay , in the eulvgj which , he had passed upon tke Scotch and their notional system of instruction , He was in the habit of going to j Greenock and Glasgow twice a-year , and staying there for a fortnight at a time ; but he had not seeu unjthiUK that raised them iu his estimation as civilised towns , or ; showed that the Scotch hud derived benefit from their ! national education . He rather cs . ought tlsre might he found in parts of those towns and tho neighbourhood a population that migU very wettan-wer the description i given by the noble lord ( Lord J . RuaieU ) on the autiiority of thu Preston chaplain . He ( Mr Gisboint ) hud

      Been places in those towas in which he should be quituts loath to trust himself as iu any in Manchester or Livtrpool ; and ho did believe that the Euglishwerea more civilized people than the Scotch . He was quite sure the English were superior to the Scotch in regard to their dwellings and in habits of cloanliness and iu nobristj , though the latter would b « mund to be tl \ e better con woverbalists . ( A laugh . ) He was in thu habit of spending Buveral weeks in the year in a Highland tjlea , where there was a considerable population , and 8 bme , t ! iing apuvoacoing to a village . The clergyman said of that educated Highland population , " As long as their money lasts , it is uot that this man or tbat nmu is drunk—the glen is drunk altogether . " ( Laughter . ) He ( Mr flisburne ) once took occasion to tell bis own personal attendant there , when he was out with him , "I am afraid , Donald , you are »« tf Ww , I hearth * ,, nbea I am

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      way ; you are perpetually druuk ; " sod the man ' s only answer wat , " No , Sir , I am seldom drunk , except on Sabbath ( a laugh ) , and perhaps a bit at Yule , or at the ! new year . " These educated Highlander « , capital writers , readers , and equal to a good itat of arithmetic , Mere , in every other respect , m-st perfect barbarians . He ( Mr , Guborre ) had not a labourer ftho would Utter down his ! pig iu one of their house * until he had cleared it out . ( A . ' laugh . ) H « believed the description he had given to be ; not of an exception , but the general character of t ' ae Scotch Highlanders . But they were great controvenialists ( a laugfa ) ; they all ku ^ w enounli of divinity to solve ' the Free Church question . ( Hear . ) He was sorry the ' inemborfor Edinburgh wa « not in his seat , for he hnd a . T ~ ZZ T « T ~ I T W « V » nl ! l » nurna > iinll <> Hrnnlt " « Brl tha mm > ii » l .

      little complain 11 ^> makongainst him for his ingratitude in speaking as he did of thu Bristol ana Nottlnfthum tiot « which carried the Reform Bill . ( " Hear , " and a laugh ) The right hon . gentleman had a very umple vocabulary , and he laid his bands on some of tbe worst words in it to apply to certain of the poor patriots who assisted in carry , ins 'has bill . ( Mr P . otheroe here expressed dissent ) Perhaps the hon . gentleman would deny that thtre wero any rio t * at Bristol ( a laugh ) ; or if hemeunt to den ; tbut they helped to carry tu « Reform Bill , nofcody else w . mld deny it . But this was beside the question ( hear ) . exc = pt that he ( Mr Gisborue ) mi ght observe , that if national education would pr . vent ebullitions ot that sort on proper occasions , it would not be a re commendation of It in his judgment . ( A laugh . )

      Mr l \ UobTiin-iCK laid that it did not follow that the Scotch were uneducated because the man who carried tho him . member ' * gun In the Highlands got drunk . He helieved the pr . sunt measure provided the beat means of education fo * tho people that it wa » possible for thu governmviit to provide . There was an uilraitted evil to be rtmeuied . The guwrnment proposed a schome which had in it some good . Ihttauiei ^ men tproposedaplonforpost . poniiiK that scheme iudeBnitely . He felt | , imse | f bound to support the scheme « , f the Koveminent . The speech of the noble lord ( LordJ . Russell ) was worthy of the bist day * of England ' s statesmen . He wished the noble lord ' s m . asun- had been equally bold .

      Lord MoKPETU , after exprcsjinu his rccret that he was •¦ bligc-d to oppose the wishes of many ofhis censtitueiits entered into « general defence of the Minutes of August and December la » t against the objection * ur Aetl u Sainst them by Mr Buncombe and Mr GUbomo . Mr GiSborne in the course of his ingenious aud amusing spuonh , was especially mvere on the Pruislana aad th «* w « oh and read an extract from the ivoik of llrlaing-a mostin . Kenioujiind accomplished travclUr—who gave an unfavocrab luaccountofiherdSulUuftheeducaiion inPrussla . a majority ol the writers whohav * vWtedthat country Km-, on thu eoutrao , » nrv i « vour ,. ble imprewion ot it . ( " eU ' "' ' *** ?»'"'^ b «( SuWhl T » rtrtip ) WM

      .:: : , , extremely severe „„ th . 8 co . cH . A-1 havJ , « had he ~ K = ^ * = r-- £ rass Twe . d , I Uo uot teel mjgclf qualiti « a to dtfc » d th . t peuple , who are not usuaMy UacKward iu maKiftif good their o « n cause ; but he tet . i Un that it . e bighUnUSco . ch w « re a uatio ,, ol wvages . I must BBy that he gav ., ton . Mdenng they wete satages , mher a classical kecowit of them , for he told us that fae fead attuched to him as » per * aoual atteudmit a man thai was alway s druuk on SimJ « js and bolides ( Laughter . ) " Ipse Ui . s agitat fe » tos , " --whitb must have ofteu happened to iiitn -

      " tu » u » qu «; per lieri / am , " —for be beld one ofhis tentivitfcs at Cbriatuias , — " 1 »; bi * ubi in medio , et socii cratera corouant , Te libiiiu , Lenseo , voew , " I am oul i » t , rry that be attached so very reprobate a person at hifrpcrbonulaitenuauf . ( JwtugutM ) I must say ltaWttavcij d 1 ff « rt . Bt view from ti . e hon . metubitr loir Aottin « haai oi n effeot whicii the Bristwl rims had in necuriug tlw uiiiniatc vucces . oi tho Uefurm bill But untauer the lion , uiembw lor tfouingtaip be right or « vro gw attributing the success if tlwRelorm Bill to these riot * , at all events I do not w » h to atisiaiu trom omieavourhnjiu briug the machinery of Wiu state to bear uathetduoatiottoi tbe people fi . r tbe sake ot such ua-j «» i . ai ebullitioa * as these . ( H . ar , bea , . ) mat hon . ber is

      mem tha oul > ouB t who i . a , taken i » p the giound of uenying the right of Panlmmmt to educate the people . M y hw . friend who muted th « umendtneat ( Mr Duneowbc ) . soarcely to kmp that grouod . Hu lurd- ! slupwei . t on to saji , tu » t on tue subjjiut « f education ' mere were , as usuel , three course * u bo putimeU . We might have * uo | ntd au eiclus . ve fcisltni . oScuucatlon— ' tor lustauce . ' a ^« t 9 ui on tlu piine , pi ojltt , Churcn of bngiund . Tu uo « u « h » , » ie m couia he have twm a ' ' party . 0 « , we nii uUi bavt aiiupted » hat wu » calleU the uiiiiormiij * jsteui - but tbat » ould not ltav « m « t tUi ! consent of either £ «? kaM , at or ue pie Th . n came he i « o-,, periitive s , « , ni , whivb , bui . i « u thelupmttuctureuf ! popular etiort , w «« tbe outy oouisc itft to us . Shatcourse iu « goVL-rnatnt haiadopttd i and lie wiu w » Ui > . « io adopt !

      it ulrto , ami to forfeit , as fo * ua he could , tor ih * benclit ot the people . It was ,, huwevcr , inip » subl » tor him to hear , without einotion ,. Uje hjj « ech of Lurd Swrey , with respecto the effect ot tliou adhwtnee to-tbut version upou the Kjman Cithohu .. Wneu lie first . became a mtmt . er ot tlie Piivv 0 ouuwl vU « touud mvtVA&cnuuves ia-fiirce . lhej tiud sinoe bueu eiilurijed , as-ttie hjaBo knew ; and wiieu any . trob-uhuoge « u » intendctiin them , it Would be lair to give nuiit-u "« l it io Parli inmut . The uaimskioii ol the l ) vu » y . veimou , and the « BtubU » t » nept ol Roman Cuthouc bciiooi 8 ,. fct » uia i « tj u change oi-yuch impurtaiiie an to rtqiuruittimtdiute liutice of u to Uu given . The Human C . itliolu > uppliuaiions to the Privy ? Council had i . ot , vctaa > uuicd aduiuuatrionii . irou htdni not know

      Uwv far thu K .. n > au . tatuulio bistmi s wuuld upxuv * of au ) in > tjection or tUeiPi . clu . i . U- bj . the govcruntt-nt . But he must now add , m . jjutiee . ' . ohim-iltatid in . iainiesn to his constituents that ot a » c ^ in ^ iitee oi Pnvj . Oouncil , « Uich ahuula rutuuUuiuuu Catbuliv aj-pliciiiiuui ) merely becuuso the , wen- Bunvm . Cati . ol . c , coulu he remain or b » a m-rmber . He UieDadvme * t .. tbe uencientqaantity o « ech .. oledutiatwn itt . Ku » ittuo ,. an 4 sHid that l . e would ua » e dwelt on its daiails lou ^ . r , omj that ihij madeuim auliauied that ttie sovwuianit itkj . uot Uoiiifc' . u . o . « to im . prove it . The m . bte ii . ia . m uumiu . lon , regretted tue ep » o » u ; onofferea 0 ^ Di . senteisto-ih , euuoatunbl * n . p » . Muonotthe gov « ium « jit , but . huw ^ r they might em . bwwihodt&cusswn . w the q ^ 'iu ,,, he promwad the . u that their effurts would » urti » i « ii

      . Mr Beiout oppu » eo the u . ii uiesof educ ^ iion , as a aeaioub ana ueterniimaN i UCv . iHui-n . isl . TheE . taUisJlid Cuurnu was , « , » , » 8-opii » i . . u # i » o-iiiw tu tin prat-ftee uud pwiiciples ot lb rty , aua hu » : r « n gl protestedujfaicbt auy ejstuiu wlncu would euhui . ee it . po ^ . r , euiwgu iU iunuenue , ami proawte i ' a aKBrt * Jid . a . uient . SStr ( j . GutT \ Uviv entered iuu . au clauorate vindication of the sfiiumo before tbt h . » use . ilD could . aut rsg » rd Mi- Bright as-au autuoritj ; ai , to ihe opiuious ot filonuoulormtsts , vtbtn liertcolltot . u that umu ^ or the must emintni nun anu writers aotui . cteu with ib * Non .

      coutormist bony had upressei . optni , n » in reiertuce tu education utt . rljat v »» r wuli ihuie wnish hita that avemug been Oeiivenu by tbehon * mtmuer fur Uurtiaui . Uo r « ad extructa trumStVeril K ' tmeoiiforuiUi authors , to show now iavo'irar » ie n mny ol . tu . m » trc to u system utswte educttii « aud trom s&v . ral petitiuns ^ otne ot wUicbhai been presume ! - by Mr Bright liiuis . li ; whicU weui to prove tliat tne Koucust « ruii » booj wera by no means ui . Uta in . thtir r . ppo » lti . H h , suvh » ^ ouw . As to lh , s ( jxclusion . o » Ki . mauCatholics nom the Uiufits of the gram , Ue w < w ready to ailuMtihm the con > ulaiuu of thai oody wvre n « Uioundei ! , uiul . iib wouli be iuoathnppy tulunuhis

      co-ojterttllou to tlia . taskot necunug rtie .. a participation iu . the advai . t » gfa winch it was-j . r . jpo » uii to extend to tiiuir i ' roteBtani leiloiv-fUlijtcta , ile W » s happy . o find that tdu housa entiriumed but one opiuiou us ta tUe injusut-e and iuiuultcj ot tU « . ir . nclusiuu , aud woulu glwlij lend hu aid > md . terence tatliu puMic voice , in altering ti . e minute * of council which .. p ^ rateU so unjustly m reiereuc to a , lurgi- poriion . vf their Mlow-couutiimen . He had wry toiin . Uuco .. in th « B uod sense of Uwho ^ emid oftiw cnuiitty , to which tbe novtrament aaw uppcaled ia sup ^ . ri uf un , educational schtute , wuicu was admittudli au imptufieci oue , but tvlm-li was-the bestihat toulO now bu prcstuieu .

      Mr HXMatEv clannea a night tu ue heiir . i even at that late nour . o tue uignt , u « . lie hart | ir « seuto « l 74 u peiitiuus on the subject wuicli was then b fore tbe hou » o . He admitted Hut the diiteuter « hud uot uu » . n vbo mort prudettUourseon thi » ouc » sinn , I utconUnd- d that Urdi J Russell should liuvei-secoikcwd U \« p ^ rt atr « iccti » ey . hud wa : ered to the greut i'au « e oEmjligious libertjj uud should cothave c * sii « utcd ; lu-ni with su h mwcih s * severity . Uo aurrfulty sepurateit liinustit fnmi Mu poktl * cal diasenters ot Jlr B Uues '» mhoolfc and t-onitii » ed tlwt wliittUer it was owm * to th « op-cit * wf Ids own inu-litat . or to some othei c » u * e , h « hitdb-jei * unt-onviuL-Bi by ail il )» souliuti'ies mut ullavies « hiei > Imd ouuuaud ftwi . tttai quarter . Ha couU not , how « ver , concur iu Uies . u > lnutes . lie ihuught that they uughi to ue modified in bitverul importuut particulars , au , i hbuve all he Uwu * h » i that thr voiuutury priuciple , wiiicn had not > eKfailud . ought to havu been in . d lor a jem l . mifer .

      On the mo : i * a oi Sir W . Clay the debate was adjourned tu Tnursduj . The house anjuurnedat a quartet past tweh « o ' clock , WBUNKSDAX , h * w . n . HOUSE OF COMMONS-Ti . eM cmdr . adtag or the Pariiamemur } Ei « uturs Bill mm aujourneii until W . d . uenduy next . HoBiEtit M / tNOridcas Bat Mr Htivc observed tbat ail tbis bill \> a » hat . onnlot- a oecuud r « uuiug this , uaj , he wished t > - knov « whet ' u . r it wax the intention i «» piocie «> vitli ihe nenHt" upon it , and . also wbutter tb * goveruniouiiuunrieo tao ^ pouj it ) Mp A . Uib » on repit . d that he teiUven the lionouiwWe baruuet (» it H IU >{ , rd ) , who hun tixv bill in charge did nai inteuuto proved with it Unit d . ay . With r < f i . nee to thu othvi quy * tu > u put by the Uvnow-ublu giUiUnian , be begged to ^ sy that the ( j « vtm j ent would nua llieui . 8 'lvvs Cttllu \ upon to oppose tu * bill

      Sir 11 . UuiuBimid li « hod no oijettion topostpon the secorw leudiii ) , ' ror a fortnight , in deference tu the expecuu iiebatuupon tne qur « : on of reciivug tl . e report , on the Factories Bui ; it wan bis intention most cvrtaiuij to proceed with tiie Dill on that day fo ^ tuight , unri aiaii , niinscli o ! the oiipurtunuy to make h ; s swtument . Mr Feuband expvessed a hope that uo uummessary impedimtu . s m . ubl bu : hiowu iu thcuuj oi the bill . Sir J . EASiHOPt thought tiiat the honourable b . ronet had takcii the proper course in postpoulog the < eojud leading as it ••«» < lenirit bl « that every oppwo » nllj shoulJ bo if iv . u io » ucli uioiubotsof the hotut as wore detlt-ous ot tuiij c ^ . bidenng butti tue pvmcipl 0 and details of such a u . easure , of domg so . u « rea . iilv ad . u . lttcdth « t ih ,, , o ., tuluyl v « Uv 1 Ilt ma wa ^ uibu-iiedin tha lull had mauy evUa of whioli to cUUlpiaUi , but Ue eared that the u . ouose ^ m « ittre , in seeking u hff .. ra ta «« wdwM l iin . uia oitf 7 gi » o iU « teuttiw wihiiwit .

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      even than those wbioh it was designed to remove ; in other words , he feared tbat the repje , dy would be worse than the disease . He was confident , however , tbat when the bill came up for consideration on the second reading , It would undergo the most earnest sorutiny on the part of the house . The second reading was then postponed for a fortnight . . i /* 2 n BlLL ~ On the motion tt 8 t the "port on thu bUl bt r . calved , Mr Teuxwn t gave It his most decided opposition , On m n < t that " a P « f « t mockery to introduce such a bill unle « the house was also prepared to fix b . 4 ™ «« eilllld the P rlce of provisions . HuJli .. _ .... .

      a f r . . then mov «<» ihttt the report be brought up -., i ' J ^ I " ! "' E ^ hour for nhicu the bill noilf > * ^ if edfr " I > roof of l * 3 ust . ee and 1 » . policy and he felt called upon to avail himself of every opportunity w . tl , which the forms of IU boom presented him , of giving it his mMt strenuous opposition . He could not refrain from agl , in expressing Ms astonishmerit and regret at the « traordlnwy course which tl . e government bad thought proper to puttue in regard to til © Dill | Mr Bbown seconded the motion . Mr Hume blamed the government for glvinp any sanetion to this measure . The encroachments already made upon us by the manufacturers of America were 80 great tuatlt was nothing short of Insanity toagne to it . He then fore , moved that the report be reoelved on that day six months ; Mr Bairn * seconded the amendment

      ... ? m 1 ; " Uyt wurds lVom MrM « PniLUFs , against the bill , Mr P . HorAao and Mr S . Cbawfobp both supported it . The latter gentleman denounced the opposition to it as unfair nnd vexations . No notice was on the paper of the day , and yet an attempt was made to defeat tbe bill by taking the friends of the measure l . y surprise . MrB . Escottdeniedthatthe oppo&itiufi to this bill had been unfair . H 9 implored the house , in mercy to the labouring classes , to reject the measure . Mr Febkand taunted Mr B . Bscott witli the inconsistency ofhis proceedings on this bill . Formerly he had supported , now he opposed It .

      MrMowTz and 3 ir Vs Evaks supported tltbiU : Mr Tahcrkb opposed it . Lord J Hussm deprecated renewing the < HscnsBinn upon the bill at this stage of it . tiv tegretted that it had been fashioned in committee into a len IJours' Bill , regarding the weight of experience m only in favour of an Eleven Hours' Bill tio woald , however , support the bill as it Btoot ' , althooehit might be necesaarj to reconsider it during M « T » T n < Tho > noble lord Welly addressed hinyelf to the argument that intcrfeience with the labour ot young persons would tend to limit adult labour , m reference to which he thought that the wSlfoSdIS" ° opponeDt » •*" ^ were not M ^ RtiEBTOK denounced the cornet of the noble lord , in reference to the bill , as wry

      unslatesman-The house then divided , when theanmbm-were—For Mr Hame ' a amendment .., „ , 46 A k » " !* it 104 Majority against the amendment ... —58 f he report was then btought up and received . Mr . Bboh « then mored the amendment of which Ue had given notice , to the effeot that tmy occup i er or a mill , being a lessee , who , from the oneration ot the provwionsoffehis bill , should bo prevented from owns no steam machinery or water power for as many hours during tbe day as he had centemplated Hsing them when he took the lease , shouW be entitled to a proportiunate abatement of rent ; but , alter

      some conversation , in which Sir G ; Grey , Mr S . E « erton , Mr . Brotherton , Mr Ferrand ,. iMr Roeback , Mr JVewdegate ,. Mr Aglienby , Mr ALPhillips , hir R . Peel , and Lord J . Manners joined ' , was indaeed to withdraw it . Mr RflKuuc * took thfr opportunity to as 3 ertthat we Protectionists had threatened theroannfaeturers witaa blister , in reveDge for having assisted in repeahng the Corn Laws- Mid tbat this bill was the realisation of that threat . Iiord J . Manners , as the person to whom the expressronof such a threat bad been attributed , emph « tiuall y denied that behafterer used such » threat , or even thought of . it .

      Viscount Ebbinoiom then moved tbat none of the proviBronu of the act , respecting the restriction of the hours at labour , should apply to adult women .. This-motion was negatived 1 without a division . 1 'hff noble lord then moved three additional clftuse 8-,. to which no seconder beisg found , they were dropped .. Mr Lsadeb then raoved the following clause-: — " Aud be it enacted , that if any accident happen ¦ to the siesro-engine , water-wheeij . w- mill-gearing , in any factwy , whereby any part of the manufacturing machinery shall be stopped during the usual hours of work- allowed by this- aet > it shall be lawlul to tecwrertne time so lo ^ t in the following manner , that is-to say , any child , or young person , or any woman , may be employed one-hour in each day-, more than the time to which , the ordinary daily labour of children and young , persons and women respectively is restricted by lawi , until such lost time be recovered "

      Ihe h « use after some conversation upon t ! i » clause divided , and the numbers were—For tbe clause „ 31 Against it ^ 94 -. ^ Majority against the lause ... C 3 MrB . 3 * Bi . TX then suggested that the third read--inn of the * bill be postponed for some time , and that a call of th » house should be made in order that the collective opinion of the whole house might be oh > tained upon the question of the third reading of tha

      Mr FiKLBEN could not aecept the suggestion , and wishtd to have the third reading taken ea 'I'hursday or Friday . Alter tome further conversation , , it was ordered to be read a third time on Friday . There was , bowevei , a general underatanding that tbis arrangement was only made to enabs > -tho house to fix on that day annthvy for the furthardiscussioa < of the measure Tlie Naval Prisons Bill went through committee , but not without ; a discussion oa the severity of the punishments inflicted iu the navy .. Tiio other orders of the day were then disposed dy aud the hnuse adjourned . IJFrom our SeeondiEdition oflatt teeeH-. ) 'f HURSDAV , APBIU 5 . H 0 U 3 B . OF LORDS The Peers assembled this evening for the fiisttimv ! In , the new House ofLorats . Iu answer tu a question from Lurd BrocanAH ,

      The Marquis of Lakssowne stated that it was inr tended ta tontine the application of , the Governmuat crant for educational purposes to those schools . In which tke authorised version of th * Scriptures vm » u » ed , Tue Marquis of Westkeath brought in a bill to prevent the waste of land > in Ireland , which was readi a tint tiffin 110 « SK OP COMMONS . —Lord J .. Russell brought in the 11 i » h TaRraocy Bill , which was read » first time , And ordered to be rend a stoond time on "Euesday next . ScaoATt Tiusino —Mr Hinslec ^ then moved for a Select- Cummittee to inquire Into the state of Sunday Trading in the metropolis . After a short discussion , the motion was carrieiby a nuj ^ ritY ot 61 to 18 . ^ -A Mti Stiviet Bin , . —Mr Fos . Maoi , e movedj the third reading of the Vuiy Service Bill .

      Sic II . Douoms sw > rad that the Bill be read a . third tick that day tiz months . On » division , the amendment , was rejeoted by- a ma . jonty of 91 agaiusM 2 . The Exchequer- Bills , £ 18 , 31 ^ 700 , was read ^ a third time and paued . { From < w Third fi « tSfl » i < y latl week , ) , FRIDAY , A ? wi 16 . ! HOUSE OF LQKD 3 . —A number of petitien > . EO favour 'QtandHKainst tt « Governmeia , Education Measure were Resented . The Army Setvic » Bill was read a . Srst time . Se \ er « l BU 1 & wane advanced a stage , and thels lordships adjourned . HOUSE 0 £ - COMMONS . —After the presentation of au inituouse number of petittuns , some of them tor , and others against tbe Government Measure of Education , the POUR ; LAW RELI&F ( IEELANO > BILL was brought up to be rend a third time . A lengtboned diicussioa ensued tu which Sir G . Grey ,, Lord G . BjUDtini-k , Mr Labouchere , Mr , floulbum , Lord , J . RuneU and Mr Disraeli , took part . The bill was then . re > . d a tbird time and passed . Upon the motion oi ' Lwi J . Rnsanifc the Landed . Property ( Ireland ) BUI was rsad a tUir . l . i * me . The regaining ordejt * of the day WOTe then deposed of , audt the house adjourned .

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      SawosEu SuiciRg or a Drosjurd . —On Tuesday by Mr W . Baker ,, at the Moon ' s Arms , B&w-com- ' moa , liroiuley , cu view of the ; body of Susannah De-Auy , ageutweut >* -twoyea » , oiNo . 18 , Suphia ^ treet , Poplar . It apgmed from tke evidence tbat the deceasci was to fee married tea sailor namei Pierce in afa . v days ; and 011 Fridaj evening la ^ they both went tti a lodging-house ia Silver-street * Poplar , for the purpose , of airing garnished apaitjaents . She was very iatemperate iaher habits , and after drinkiii ss an iiosauderute qusatity « f rum , s ]» became very much intoxicated . SJw > was unable to walk , and sh | leu down tu the Ueauel several times . Her com .

      paui . i& Piurca taiatd a * r from tixoground , and . sue ] was assisted to a feu-nd ' s house ia Xitler-street . She remaiut ' d there drinking for a considerable time , wlwu she « wld » aly threw her bonnet and Bhawl off atHldarud from the house . She was immediately MWwedby uo * sister-in-law , and directly afterwards waasoeustrujjijling iu Liweuouse Cut of the river u 1 b .. dra 8 * wcro ^'" ouwd , and the daoeased was shortly afurw :. rda rccovuted and coaM « yed to tho auove public-house , vth « re life was found to be quite extinct . The jury returned a verdict" That the dc ceased was lound struggling in the waters of the tmv Lea , but how she becamo so tb . ew wasuotaufii . otent cvulcDce bel ^ re the said jurors . "

      Mr Layard , wb . n atiil contiaueahisresearohes in Menopotauiw . ha . s disoovertsd , at about twelve league from Mosul , on . ttie rijihl bank of tho Tigris , at Caiaa-Uhergat , a tumulus ten times the sise of that at Niraiod . He has ulrcaU ; brought to light a curi * oui siatuq in black itorw , of « UieU ( he head in QUMingi

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      MARLBOftOU OH-STREET . -NovTrirr ^ v B » t .-EdwBrd Urkta a « d John Du « r ! v ° » W J" ' f ^» . eharKea with * £%££ ¦ < £ ?™ ! i BI » IBPIOII > liOenSed victualler , 1 , ^^ !» * traet . _ T . Aunens deposed thst th « Li ' Ott ' "M Mr Simpson ' s hou . o L J « tTZ \ T'A were served , nnd w , re left « lone In front of ft S of the prisoner ! then got upon a bami . „>'• % Slick , the top of which uni dnubed nith t Bilh Mt to reach a , overeigii which was placed on , S , " !!* " * ** tho bar , but in IU effort to fi , i , to UnMi * ill " » reign was ktockul off the thelf . anrt o ' „ " "n * . the otteution of the laudlad y wlioeiine o , ! * ^^ immrdiottlj- acquainted her * Uh wb ^ t \ a (] . lV itn «> i and on locking on the flo r the tiovtr 8 i gn \ , ¦ ^ t nportUn of the tar adlu-riuie to it . \ Vhij i Und wUh btHle-l in Ms attempt to gf t the mftney hi laii w « i held Mm upand gave him ull the aMfctuneu T ™** Hr Siir / pjon corroboratcil the t-. sUiU ., Dv Of tl "" * w , ness . —The prisoner . * wre fullv comtBhtm " la ! lt "U , M ARTJ . E B 0 XB ~ Bv * oun .- ? tuni . ' „ charged with hnvina ; tntewd the pren- } , e , 7 M . thj * ai Crttr , of SZ , Momingt ^ n-road , and «) . » , ,, JllI " « jewelk-rj- aud other prop . ry . On Saturdw . . rtlr « U about 12 o ' cWff . > .. ,., „« « ... o « l « f « - ' > »> Kht ,. *¦ ii

      , _ . ,,, ,,, , M , ret'iiiii / t <[ i we . ivedbuchinfornwtioHaj induced him r ' | * t the attic , where he f 3 Und shat a pane Of ' i Up '" !» h » d bten bioktn . » vd tliat « . « window wM ti " * " ^ nfforiin i ? every f . ciliiv t ., tL , ry | tIie ' " ™ % Ue ascertained that n desk had been fwc ,,- ! Mv ^ strnment , a silver penrfl casi . taken out U 11 i ""** '" . ninfrthetwo rooms , on the second floor Z "" ^ - ka » eide « cope , a gold bronfh . and a gold " ? " « •** » drawezilmd also bet n opmed and ruinmaJd ' 8 : , 8 olI 1 » further shown , that durin .- the nb » ence « f M « Vi W * who livw two doors from whtre the robhi ' ir ''" * mltted , Jhe thieves . * flicud a « entrnnce 7 v ° ' skeleton fter , and that th-y wfti-Mrds , 11 £ *?* along the leads to Mr Cnrier ' s d « dlin . 7 S ney ' s return home the prisoner and an , i , „ . Bh rushed by he ? in the pa . W | W , hv , A ^^ steps , when they mad : off . rVISaner ° J "

      ,,, , ^ Healt j , 227 S ; his cotr . nuninn o « a « o ^ r .. ... l l Heal , j , 227 S-f his companion estaped . On ji » y ' lopped , .. r ., w . b « , n kilel-ioMiope , ad an ) , » . >« candle , and a boa of | urff , r « , werefoMd upon \ L , J was then convened to the statiou . hoasv . At nn ' , hour on the fonswlDK n . omir . g a ^ eatltman . n » 3 Lord , and his dattgliter , of AuKUSta . Csttatfe . PurVy ! lage . pickedupintbcgariitn at the back , of their J * dence tho pincil-csse , the gold brooch , and tht riD , which tbo prUoner i » tj » t huve thrown away « hy c >? police were in pursuit of him —The articles- found in M powesiion were iden tified by Mr Carttr an Ui \ tK \ -.. " " petty .-The prisoner , who bad nothing to * ay Wat Q eommittad fur trial . _ ull l

      WESTiIINSTER . --SbWJso .-. John and EUn B . nus were charged with coining . Serjeant Bren : » n »»« stated that in conseque ^ aofdirdctions rcceivid ' tWim tkl Mint authorities , he W , n * . . ceompsnl ' d ^ \ nnrX , ^ ^ Her officer , of th . G »; I-B division ' tS . C * S * w - Mtmtaster Th * , pvoM 3 dea l 0 a back room ont ^ « ccnd floor , the door of wth-o they broke open Zt KledUe hammer and crowbar . On entering , | 10 Zt they secured the nil . pr | , o » r , who bad , » h « , thc Z was partially opened , eiidewriwred to cluio it ' «? Immediately after they bad ' eahed aeees . tho irZl prUoaer opened the window < nnl put her ri ght hand 0 * On a tablenear the flrC . place t » ey found a KrrBt numb .: of coenrerfeit sixpencHS quite-nnrm , the dumnel of I mould iiaanti of

      ,. * ty piaster of Porii . an . l lu . t wWi ! mewl on the hearth . Witness was about to brin ft ! things jinny , when the male prisoner , who was band ouffeil , saadinljr broke sway « ro : n the officer « ho ha * charge of him , ami endeavoured to destroy th « chann * of the mould . The male prisaaw , on faring aikc * whether be wished ! to say anything-in reply to the charge declared tbat a parcel came to his houae at about tne | T £ o ' clock on Monday , and on hia opening it he discovered that it contained the tilings subsequently found by foj officers , which he was it stroking th * moment tho | . oliC 6 entered . The womau said that the things were hrought to th'ir home to get them into tre « Me . Mr Brodtrb said that the charge was one of a v « ry striuus natuft and remanded the prisoners for a week ..

      HAMMERBM 1 PH . —Stabbino with > i PtfCHwuK- ^ BeorgeTagir , underJioisekeeper to MrT . Kirbv « m . nibus proprietor , Turnham-grein , was Btouclit b ' tfotsth < - magistrate on a charge of hflvin if sobbed J . Turi . er J . Turner , who appeared in a very weak- state , depuwi he was head Ktonelceeper in Mr Kirby ' s a « , i w On the evening of Saturday , tlie 10 th init ., he WM fa , uu master * yard , when he and the jrisoner had some wullis about the latter having been a . long timegone-59 . hu tea , and thereby neglecting his-work . Witnm-was aube tim » dressing a horse in the yard , when the sirfeowr ru . h . 4 out of the stable « itli a = wtchfork , witb ' wMch , ad « t > struRgle , he stabbed witness iu the head . 3 c bled a great

      deal from the wounds-ho-rereived , a- » d . bwniinn vetv faint , he wu& taken to MfDodswonl , ! ., x ^ ir ^ ol , wh » dressed the wounds , Witness had been et « » ince under Mr Dodsworth ' s care , quite unable to do sny work , an ! still suffering great pain ia ti > e head . l n « . j > ri 8 oiier wa » sober , and witness gnve Jiim no proiocation nhateter , On tbe evening in questioaietitia Morreli wa ^ ttundine at the door , whichlooksinto thc jard wher » Mr . Kirby ' a horses are kept , and saw tbe pri » ontr mnbe a stab at tha head ol the witness , Jams * Turner , with & pitenfork , and then immediately atrilre him on the htnli

      wituthairon part of the fork- a violent blow . Witness «»« tb « blood streamini t from Turrnr ' s head . Mr > SVedtrick C Dodanorth examined Turners head , and fowid a wound nearly trro inches lottg . otnthe left sidu ne « - the top , ana a severe punctured woui . il on the left- ' . em » l » . The bone at the first wound was qjite bare , and a Wood-vend was divided in-the wound in the temple . Turner was in great danger for some days . Thc prisoner , when called upon to answer the charpe , banded ia » written p&u-r , requesting that it might be read . Its con . tents were as follows :

      Honoured Skj—t wish to state my case particularly to you iu writing , On the evening of last Saturday week , ! wtnt to Ilamtaanmlih to Vray mjselt a p < ir t . f boots with my little boy . When I went hack the man Turner kicked up a row , and hit mo in tha face , and knocked me down , I up with a forb < and struc ' . i-him on the lacs ,- ami before I was able to recover myae ' . f . the struck me a wona tins in the face , and then I up with the fork and -struck him on the head . But he snidl stabbed him , but 1 did no such thing . There was no-one there but oup two selves , —Geokoe Taoo .

      Turner , in answer to questions put to him by the mi . Blstrate , denjtdthe truth of the prisoner * statement , MrPaynter eaid theeharga was a very serious one , and it was bis duty to full y commit the prisouer toiNewgaU for trial on the capital charge ..

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      MAttK LANSj-MoxDAT , AjiriKwf '" ~ Though th ' ere was rather . 1 better sho » v ofwheat at thi » morning ' s market , the supply was , on the > w ! mle , sinalL For fine white 90 s , and for .: the best red , 86 * per quarter was made . MARK LANE , Widnksday , A ? rii 21 . The arrival of Englisaswhvat since Monday has bfen , very sinall ti and the supply of that artiole of grain herothis morniug was uausmdly UraiteO . Ml kinds met a wj ready sale , at , in mosninstnnces , a further adrnnce in the quntattons of quite Is perqr , i . nd at which most of tho sampl » s found buyers . The tranraotioos in for ^ i ? a wheat we » small , owingjto the want of auppl . v , l > ut piicefc must be considered quite lapcv qrhighitr . Thesa \« f « r all descriptions of burlej was firm , butwu can notice nofurther advance in tke quotations . Halt was in short supply and fair request * at last week ' R . currencies . Th * oat tra < Je was steady at ejtreme rates ... Beaus , peas , It . dian com and flour , are held for more J 3 a » n « y .

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      Ei : anoND ( Yorkshire ) , Saturday .. — We had a t » if supply-of Kruin in ouif nmrket this , morning ; thei . yiw » wer ^ aauch the sair . eAs last \ veek . ~ Wheat sold froahlO * tolls- ; oats , 3 s 6 d . to 4 s 6 d ; barley , 6 s- to 6 s 6 d ; beaitfi 1 * toTaSdpwbvtstei , LiyenPooL , Tuesday . —At our- Gorn Exchange tbi * morning there was a middling r . tteadanco of the trodtf and good show cfisaroples of all kinds of grain , flour ,. & <• There was a vorjr Hmited demand for wheat afrtliu au- i vanced prices asked of G-l tu 8 d pfiiv 7 BB > s . on prieoiof this : day week , flour , too , mut ave ; y' slowsalv ; wlioo ' ' market opened .. ^ fid was aske& MANciiESTu . Saturday . —Wchave had agoodifletaa " i&r wheat nnd' , Sour during tile * week , at slyoiWy ^** vancing prices . Tho quantity of wheat and floucoa onWJ either English , or foreign , 1 $ small , aud buth uk hela 'firmly , at nn . udvance ot ' o ' ii pef bushel on wheat , ii to 3 * per barrel oniforeign , and 3 s . ta 4 s per sack on English flour . Lkeds , Tuesday—There is . a better supplrof wlientfor this day ' s market than of ; late . Aa adv « nc « of « s S * " quarter fj » m the rates ofrtiiisday 8 e ' nnigUtaiid 4 fV V qu rter qkw Friday ' s prjpes is freely paid * . Barky is l » 2 s dearer * Beans , Is hi ghs * . — n »

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      street , Haymaiket , in tho City of Westiwiii-ier , »» Office , in the snrae Street aud Parish , for ™ . Vj prietor , FEARGUS O'CONNOR , Esq ., and !«»*•" by Wiiuau Hewitt , of So . 18 , Charlewtwe t , » don ^ treet , Waiworth , iu the parish of St . » W >»\ ( ingtou , in tha County of Surrey , at tiw OnW ^ Gveat Win 4 uiUK » tte « t , llayu ^ arke ^ in iie . W «»» minster , Saturday April 24 tb ., 134 T .

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      , STATE OP TRABE . no < WB \ i . E , April 19 ^ We have bufc little doing 'i » *• plcccmarket , but prices are much tfcssameas last w « A . The wool market continues dull ai former rates . Mill ' stojjpe-i . Four or § xe factories c ^ scd wovkio « on Mouj d » y . last , and it is &ared that hum more wih be obl'K ™ to , adopt tho samo ^ course , if there . 'be not a suecdy clinnp J w the better . Many mills wor ^ atanding before ' . lie cum « loaeiicementof tJjiBwoeU . , . [ j Hauvax , Asril 17 .-Tho dalness that has so long ' [ rested on the worsted trails semoius unallcviatcd ; 8 «»

      there is no » erccptible chawe either iu demand » f prices . Thft sliglitly iuipcoxud demand forjatu n " last week still continues , ucrompauied by astmili auv ^' in price ; though the spinners cannot y «» obtain a bw remuneration for their outlay . There is . no altera tions long wool . . HuiiftKBSFiKi . D , April 2 O .-The market h » s been »« J dull . There are a few buj-ers , but there is no incunauw to speculate beyond their immvdiute wants . , ( Lmds , April 20 . -There has been a good attendance v ow oloth-hnlls to . day , but the business done «" " ' Uroited . The unfavourable suttt of Ihe com *» ul » w "" ' markets ovidenUv acU too powarfuUy ou tiw spnUi , »> commerce .

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      8 _ , ..-THE NORTHERN STAR . a .., tr .,. ,. I ai ^ SB

      Printed L)Y Dougal M'Qotvan, Of 16, Great Wnd |"Js

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  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), April 24, 1847, page 8, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct1415/page/8/