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      mmt of aoutf , THUltt > l > AY , MiBCH 4 . THE LABOURING POOR ( IRELAND ) BILL went through committee , with a few verbal amendments . FKIDAY , Mabch 5 . CONVICT AND I'lUsONSBUX—Earl GnET moved the second reading ot the two bills relating to convict discipline of which he h id givea notice oo a prcviou * evening . The government had resolved , then . * " n »* a change which amounted to notiiine less than a totil abulitiau of the sy&Um or transportation , « -xc < pt » s wgjrds cimvicts scni to Bermuda and Gibraltar , where the termtrausporta-ion meant an entirely different system thau that exercised in Australia . Instead of hemg transported , convicts were to be kept at home , at nrrt for a certain period in separate confinement . anHatter-Wards , when di-iehaifStdtrom thi « preliminary state , emtfovedfor abated time on p-Alio « oriu : the principle Of th :. e : nplovment would be that the eonweto were . t » .

      be subjectV » svstea . accord . nc to which they wild hare a great and direct interest in their own good conduct and be enable . ! , by their imlust-r au . i cood .-ondnct , ' "uot only to abridge the period for which their punishment wastojlast , but also to enjoy certain itmnediite a . ivantages . It was aUo in-ended that every convi . t W'O really conducted himself well , who worked industrijosl ; , and did not incur any fresh punishment for misconduct , should be cmble to obtain his dis . ch . irgeat the tcimination of half the period for which he vas sent n . td . When this period was expired , a pardon would be gra ite . l to the offender , on condition ot hi ; emigrating from England ; and to assist him in carryi ng tlii * intentou into effect , the government proposed that msi . iuate , during the latter period of their employment on the puWknorks , should be allowed wages to nearly the full value of t ! teir labmir , the money being allonei ) to accumulate until the time for granting the pardon had arrivid .

      Lord Brougham expressed a general approval of the government plan . Lord St-mley , Lord Desman , an 1 the Dote of Richmond , expressed several doubis as to 'he pr-priety of the scheme . The bills were then read a second time , and the house adjourned . MONDAY , Mabcb 8 . IRISH PAUrEBS .-L-mi Bbodqham presented a petition from the Corporation of Glasgow , complainii . c of the influx of Irish paupers iuto that city . Lord Brougham complained of the conduct of the Irish landed proprietor * who . itlier contributed very scantil y to the relief of the

      prevailing distiess in that country , or else refused so con tribute it all He admitted that persons mi"i , t please themselves in cuitribntimr to voluntary subscrip ; ions but it was his decided opinion that , while rrfusin- to bear thrir shareof the public calamity , they ought not to come And ask England to do so for them , by ( tiring them ten million * . Ut also denounced the scandal-ras jobbing which had .-pruiijr up among the gentry of Ireland , who Me taking adtHvtajeof tl . e sufferings and misery of the p uple , by Hcufrig for tnemselvf g place * , created by the » . « ¦ ois Acts passedfur the mitiantioa of the distress . He e t-. l various instances in illustration , among others , oae wh . re tlie four sons ot a clergimao . held seven situations te'wten them .

      The Esrl ui"MorsTCASHEt <» ndtlie Marquis of Losnos . ptsst compl : in-d ot the attacks made on the Irish landlords , and maintained that if inquiry were made into the truth of the storks pn . p . gittd about their conduct towards their tenan ry , they wculd be found , in most casrs , more siim « d against than sinning . The former noMt ? peer urged Lord Bn . u ham to move for a Comm-ttfe of Inquiry into tUe conduct of tho landlords of Ireland . COXriCT DISCIPLI . \ E .-Lord Bkocgiuh then moved f . jr n select committe- to iuo , UTe into the execution of the criminal Ia < y . lie would at the same time state that he felt dispoted to regard transportation with an nnfavourable eye . Some alarm had , howevtr been cr-at-d among members of tV 1 , gal profession own * to the propped charge * , but these feara were groundles * a * an > cha i ; e in the « ystem must be sanctioned by Parhai . tnt- '

      L ' . rl SrAKtET understood from Earl Grey that it was fte intents of Her Majestj ' s governmej 8 t X £% ^ 7-ii . t" - n the 8 Uhject lnt 0 eff < -ct ! andit «•« not till the expu-attou of twojears , . lurirr which thrfr ShrrrT'r 61 that My act ° Parent twwM beintodueed . He hoped , howev . r . to hear that fl r Majesty s government would not be indeed to proceed by introducing a bill . Earl Gbet observed , that the law as it now stool gave ^ 5 : ' . tbe pow « « f deriding notonl . v as to rnaivhkal Offeaietibut to

      , as how certain clasps of offences should be fo p ** of The real magnitude of the changed been s r . afl y overrated . It had been said that trausportatioa-a , to be abolished . This wa . not the case . SZ teuce of transportation would continue tobe pronoonced , It , « ° ? - ^ stantiallj the same as at we ' tm . with an aluration i , , hu respect only , that " the If . vi ^ , r ' ' , ' WM BOt W ^ t . r . tialachanse V » 1 ° 6 r " ntce 8 sary « ' « art act of Parti , xnent shoald le prop ifed .

      A desultory d ; scu < sion then sprang up as to whether the Crown had the piwer tokeeppris < msrs orrfer sentence oftraugportaticn in England , Lord Brougham dedarine that it had co such power , and Lord Campbell asserting that it had . ¦ The motion was th'n agreed to . CUSTODY OF OFFEXDERS . _ The Custody of Of . fenders Bill and the Prisons Bill then went through oon * - mittee . The bouse adjourned at half . past seren o ' clock . TUESDAY , Mabch 9 . LoTdBaoconiM requested Lord Clarendon to post-jone the third wading of the Custody of Offeidera Bill tilt Thursday , on the ground that several Irish pews wese anxious to express their objection to the extensisn < if themeasure to Ireland . The Earl of Clabesdov , in the abiencs of Earl Ore " , consented to the postponement .

      IRISH LANDLORDS—The Earlef Lcc » n , in refrrt : » - to certain statements made by Lord Braagbam sa the preceding ni ; ht , on the authaiity of letter * from Ircl » n < l , which statements were wholly incorrect in their wie ' ^ iea »\ iTes , wUhed to know « b « t % er the noble and Ua ned lord would give up the narae of the writer . The noble and learned lord shoold be very careful htm he irade statements on the authoiity of newspapees or letters . There was , for instance , a letter fr * m . that day's Times , dated from P . illinnbe , and . statiip that Lord

      L'tcau ' s tenants therv , and at the village of Gallons Hill , ] h d been t-jected , an 1 the cottages dismantled ; whereas , he ( Lord Luc » n ) faa < l no houses within two niles of Ba . Unrobe , and he cotfd state upon his fciuour ^ that , as to Gallows Hill , no evictions of his tenantry bad taken pUce , and the cottages were in the same stattthut they ha 1 been for ye ; . rs past . Lord Brodgiiasi said that he had sUfrd the name of the writer of the only letter he received reflecting , by name , upon individuals . The names of t ! . » other parties he saw no reason for mentioning ; their statements

      were general .. The Earl of Lccas asked whether the noble and learned lord would at least state whether he personally knew his correspondent , and could ttate that he was a respectable man and worthy of credit . Lord Brodohah : I beg to state that I made 8 statement which I th » a ^ ht fitting f < r rte to make , and proper to bi received by ttie house . Xtithir he nor any othea man has a right to a-sk any peer to < : omt to the qutstiwi in this nay , and I will n it Rivt- au an » wer . ( Hear , hc » r ,

      and a ljuipii . ) When the noble lord cries " near , htir , he show' hi « utter ignorance of Parliiimentary proceedincs . I hit heard statements made over and over again by peers in this house , and by members of Parliament in the other house , without pivin ^ r the names of their authority , and refusing to do so wheu asked , statin ; that the ; b' -lf ved in the fact alleg"d , and that was w- ^ i ' . i " iert one knows , that from the dajg of Ilatry the T iird , wii <; > P . irlidments nr » t asiumeil a tor in , douu to th - pr ? -ent time , common fame is a ground for statements in Par'ia 'e i » .

      The Marquis of Londonderry , in presenting a petition in ref-r * nce to ; i I ' vur Law in IreUnd . cont . nde i that the ltU \ i people were of an iniiu&triou * clmracter , and willing to use their heSt exertionB to pay their way . In h : i own district , he and the other landlords found that ther < -ws were very satisfactorily paid . Yet the uv ' -le and !< -arned lord came forward nith general itnt- lie n'e , wh : ch vcre at all events totally iu ipplicaMe to th'js . ' ptrro : i » who had ntver a ^ ked the Kuvirnimnt for a fhiliing , and to those parts of the roun'ry where the e = > ta * . es wtre well managed and rents regularly paid . He allude ! particularly to Ulster . ( Hear )

      Lord BaocGHAH : If the noble marquis insists upon bein . ; tlatned whether I will or n > t , 1 cannot help it . ( He-ir , hear , and lnughtcr . ) I n-ver blamed htm . I ntver made a general statement agaimt Irish landlords . My charges were c nfin ? d to three or four instances and I said that I hoped anl truste 1 , and also be itve ^ l , that these rliarses could notnith justice be made general . But the n-ib ! e lord g ^ tR up , :. n 1 says , "I will be accused , and n ' . bo y shall prevent me . " ( Laughter . ) Why , it is the most extraordinary instance of the use of " will" and " sbali sinre the predtcessor of the noble marqu : < < , who called out " I will be drowned , and cobody shall help me . " ( Lnu ^ hter . ) What can the noble marquis mean by f > a \ in « that I make charges against all tlie Irish

      landlords * The noble marquis complains that I u ; l ! not give information . Well , I am going to move for information now , that will settle the matter at is « ue one way or the other . My informant , who is a professional man , who lumes several most respectable people , who are acquainted with him , and who gives liis intelligence not in the shape of general anonymous charges , but with all the actuTicy of a professional man . says to me , " Move for the foii . j « in £ return , and it will be seen I am right . " Sow , I am going to move for It , and if he ij a man not to * e trusted , the tact will be shown . The return is fur the xjamsa of vne plaintiff * and defrndaDts in nil processes for rent doe on the 1 st of November , 184 « , brought to trial at the ses&ion atBaUina . ia Mayo , on the 11 th of January , 1 M 7 . '

      The Marquis of LoSDosMMi protested against the noble and l . arneJ lurd maklI ! g tUe itiadiordi ol iretan 4 a butt , wfh lm special leaQing and irarnease vuluhilHy Of language . (\ uugh . ) n would end in this , that aabodf moid mind a bit what the n ,, bie and learn-d lord said—(' . au-hterj-ana woni , j leaT ( J him - t | mt contempt which could not fail to ovtrtaks him ( Continued laughter . ) In spite of the uoWe and learned lord ' s bad jokes , he would venture t j say , th ^ t the Irish

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      THUHS » AY , March 4 E 5 HGHAT ! 0 \ _ . Mr . VcbkonSmith moved that , "in order to assist and encourage v . ilunt . ry emigration to the colonies , it is expedient t > increase the importance and authority ol the Laml « ud Emigration Board , toadd to their agency in Grent Britain and Ireland , and promote their vipilant superintend ! nee of the passage and future location ot the emigrants . " Mr . Mackinnon seconded the motion . After s .. me dscussion the motion wns withdrawn CRACOW .-TUE RUSSIAN DUTCH LOAN -i-Mr IICMEmuvcdthefolKminirr . st . luiions

      I . That tin * hou . e , considrrinu the faithful ob ^ er va , ue ot thr Getural Act of Confess , or Treaty of Vienna , o . th . 9 . 1 . d , . v of June . 1815 , as the basis of the peace and „« . ¦ ., «„ . Europ , . , i ., M with aUrm an , ™ " ¦ " on the im-orpurtt . i ..,. « , f th , fr . eci . y of Cracow and of «• ZtO m "" llwem ; irerfA «« rti . yvtrtul . ofacon . UrZel ' 7 """ u Viemia ' on the 6 t " «» ay of Novem . ss ,:: ^;^ 18 " ^^' " ^^ thi ' . il h * T'T- }!} rtturn'laid b ' " fore Parliament , ! . !?" 1 ' ; idy b « ' P ! i ( 1 ' « " > the British Trea - Iowarrth (

      sury , ,. , „ ., „ ,., „„ , Md fop | he fa and 1810 . b ,, t , hi ,-iusiv .. . ,. „ . of < 0 , 493 , 750 fl « rins J « l » -lt « a . mA 9 T * 'vr 4 nfmme ,. , an ., ' .,. ttha fiS turn of the pnunp , l :, v , , mer . st of the remaining part w- r ° ? . "• ** itil ' " 111 h ' tf | e Act Sbd and 3 rd of WilUamU ., cap 81 . n , ll r . quire further irrmual pay . nsents from the Bnti . h Treasury until the v-ar 1915 amounting to 17 . 006 250 florin * , eqiwl to £ 8 9 lV * lW «„! £% ? £ ? -m " " K the " tIle ««« P * ta payment of £ 7 » 91 f a" aVrrage for * a « hoftheW , ear » o

      ir * i ' ¦ TI " lttl ' ' : ? . '' nti"n"fthe leth < lay of November , Snd 27 . P ' Sl > lK Kinu ' ° «^ -tBrttata and IMand und th E ... per » r « taii the U . gsia 8 , wa 8 m ^ explain the stipulation ,.. f «| ,, , naty betwe ^ 0 ^^ loth da SSi : r M ' 1 ? : » 1 «* . -i « i « 'LondononXe 19 th da , or May , 181 , - , . and ir . elu . ied in the Treaty of M 1 M at" } ' ? '" at C „ . « th , . it was agreed by Great h ' old ' ££ T * * " " mai—pSS 3 Hir old Dutch debt m w . ns , der :. t » on ot the general ar « - force S 10 " : arra" *! em"l t 8 «» 'fch remain in fell ' i . "Ttiat this h . m « eU . therefore , of opinion that Russia havm , w 8 tl , * a . n thHt . dh « i . m , and tT « earrangement be . n « toruuRh her act . „„ imgw ;„ , „„ * „ * from tins country , on »«„„„» cftl . at&bt , should be i . tucrforth suMiinded . " '

      The lion , member narked th « ^ cdm events which cZ CC ' " r 7 ' * "" - i" »™ « ie annexation of Cracow . rhB | i » teit of th- government wM insufficient « h « tcar . rfin . nwho had l . Mt their liononr . and had wtatol ertiy . eiiiraneniciit . tor protests ? Ai became the House of Commons t .. mark tl . ur disple . swe at the « s transact * in a » nore enuthatic way th . jn by simply pro estinp ^ inst thrra . II .. did not ' wunt-them to So tu war , but Kii * n < he found that they wire .- » lled upon to p » y annu . Hy :. ' ar Ke sum of money to one of the Power * iw quest ,..,., as a- portion off our part « f the bargain , i . m . hv . ) in the Treaty of View . * whdPoivemad violated

      .. its own . part of the engage , mint ; hecallH u } . om the house to sustain Wra iuprop sing thattfieve pajinenK on our-side , sbonJd hence , forth cei >? e . lit had always denounced tho Tresty of Vivnna . I : k »» a bargain entered into with grea « pob Uc robbers , aud made us » s h , »» l us tbs rohbers themwlrt s The delil . er . V 2 riolaiion of the treaty was nofeoonfim d to the case of Craonw . It h . ni h ,-en violate -I , artieular . ' y by Russia , in numcn »> j ? : instanci-Sj which the htm , geirt . here recapitulated . Eunnie , tlH .-refore . was no- lon » e r bound by tha Treaty of Vienna . Every stai- ^ eBslavcd l . y the treatj-was rrfr-T-it Tom the jike , aijdtU liberty to ass « rt its ir . d ™ en « i * iire .

      I . ur < 1 SAKCnMs i-onii ' -J ihc motiaa . iAird Juiis ^ riSBSEii thought it was ileaT . irom the words « f the Treaty o » Tfenna . and oilier considerations thnt the articles rrsp * tiinK Cracow for ed seme of th « - principalMii . alatioHsnf the treaty . Houpver small the territory in / juB'tiim mrzhi he . its Sride emlencs ras t ; oa-» ant * ed by the Treatj of Vienna , meant neither more nor Irs * than a sep » r ; t . rister . ep should be left to a mall pi . rfion-of-anco-ut P . i . nul . The reasons- ^ ssigneO S . ^ r its i xtinsriun wre n 3 t , in his f timtition , 3 « ffi . rient to justify thr viol-uiiijc lV « A * rs in tha . course which they- ha < l pursued . Agreeing wia Mr . Bo me in the . view which ho tui . k . of the conduct of : the three Power * , in the transaction

      mi question , he did not see what advantage could ar ' tSefcom a < led : iTat' » 't of opinion in respect to-it on the J'a rtofthe Hous- ot Ot-nmnus . S ,. f . r . therefore , as tb e first res « : u > i <> n of ilie uonc » rable gentleman wenr , h tf would f ? il it inrumhctit on him to move thuprevious q uestion . As to tl . e last rvsnluthn , which provided for t he nnn . pa ^ ment h--nc .-fortli of the interest on the "RusscvDnich loan , he must alto dissent from it . Tin-IwcutiTeOownim' -. t h .-. d . in tho present instance , done all thit It consifl . red it to + c-iu duty to do , and he hop-d thu the house would nit , by affirming resolutions like that now before it . take intuits own hands * matter , the cognizance of nhich was properl y uithia lh » province of the executive d > i .:. r : mf-nt of the St : ite .

      The debate was then , after . some discussion as to the day , adjourned till Thursday next . THE FACTORIES BILL ; then went through com mittee pro / Omw , to he re-eommitti d on tbe 1 ith March . The ot ' ier orders were then disposed of , and the house adjourned . FRIDAY March . 5 IRELAND . —On the urti « r of the day forgoing into com mittee of supply , Mr . Sobn O'Connell called the attention of the governmi ni to the necessity oS drawing off tba labourers uow employed on public works in Irtlanil . to the tillage Of the lund . Tl »* lion , tne-ribitr susreested thbt the government should furnith «« -ed U > a lar ^ -rr exMint than they had proposed ; and that ihe improving tenant should be i » . ve « f 3 with tl . e right , of compensation for improvements . ; aud that a law sfccald be devitpd to . compel Irish pro ' piw'ior * to reside uii thtir estates .

      Mr . LtBocciitii rwnpitul ited what liad been dona , a-vl ( leeliiu < l to ua&rtake a ro-arae which went beyond the functions of s ° veriimcnt . Tbe rcnuiimleii of the evenisjg was occupied iu com . - mittee ofsu |> pfy » n the Oidnuiru and Navv Estimates . MONDAY , Mabcu 8 . NEW WRX : ? FORCANIKRHCUY . —A new wris wai ordered for the city of Canterbury , in the room of J , Bradshaw . S » q ., A- ceased . KA rB-rikTINO CLAUSES . — Mr . T . S . Doksombb gave not <•<• ti'Bt afttr E ister he should move ' . he

      following r < solution : — " Whereas an Act which was passed in the r ica <> f his late M . » je < ty William the Fowth , inti . tulert no Act for Amending the KpprrKcnt . ition of the people of England :. nd W-ili s hns f ^ ih-il t <> fulfil the just anil Viwful e \ ptct » tit > a'i of th-people , ami such an Act < mi » ht not . and ivinrxit . hi- final ; it is ixpeilient to amend tV same Wy a rej . eal ol the rate-paving clauses Ih tliai Art , : md by the insurtion of provisions calculnted to prevent any unnue iiiflueucu be inir extrci ^ eil in boroughs or enmities , whereby the represmtittion of the people may hepr . jnniced . "

      THE GOVERNMENT MEASURES ( IRELAND ) . — On the question bting put that the order of the day he r . « d t . rb «> i > k into eunnmtteo on the Lauded Property ( Ireland ) Bill . ' Mr . Roebcck ohRcrv . rt that the house was now nbonj topr . iceed with two Irish measures , the Poor Relief Bill and the Linilf . l Property Bill . lit . uisheJ to ask the nuhlc lord « t the head » i tin- povernmuui > v ! . ether it was mid rstoj' 1 that , if the Landed lV-ptriy bill did not go through the h-at" suti « t < iUi ; tli , v as it now stood , the noble lord would , ; i <^ the a' ! vi-: er of licr JUjVsty , be prtpari-d not to pfop'jS ' - the coiiiiiuiation •>! the Voor Law Bill for Ir . liml . He ( Mr . RiR-liui'k ) was for giving the Pi . r IU-ii . f Mill t reer' ! eine ; but if the -Alu r course were to b ^ a . i opted , wjs the noble lord j . rt jiiire' t . i {> ive him to und rsUnd , Unit in the event of the Lati'iuil Property Bill b ing g'jbMantUlly alter , il , In- wuuM nut go on with the othei m . Jisure *

      Lord John Russell ' ¦ x |) l . ii : ic : l thut lie intended to moiv these hills !>•• pivcecdi'd wit'i j » tri j ; . ts £ u , SO that bothttie Lai . lid Pro ) . eit . . . Ji ' . l am U > c I ' . wr Holitf Bill might br nud a th rd tin : c > . n tf : u eauie occasion . He di i nut think it nccpssary , l ^ owtvtr , to give the honourable tentkinan r . nj a-hur . iiice of the course that would b-putsued in the event ol any u ; . ext >( ctcd contingency . ( Hear , hear ) Mr . Roebcck then prnpose .-l tlie iwlmion , of which he had uv , n notn-e , that any plaus ^ . f 11 lief ( or the distress of the Irish pour liy mi-aus of loans to the owners of property in Irelml , would be unjust and impolitic , uiiWks accon . pai i . d b y aijtuin of taxation which would sulgc Ruth properly t » the burdon » already imposed

      upunall iop .-rt . T tttr « uKlioutGr .-: it liiitain . The nrtizan , the latKlturd . and the . iiiCr . Imr . t of Upland , all brought their quota without grumbling into the general Exchequer , f .-r th < | . urpo > e of its buir . g cspendi-d in promoting Hie int < reht - of the grent : ; atiou culled Great Britiin and Inland . No «\ tlu-ru wag a ^ reat variety of taxis from « hicli the lri > h pitpulation wtre exempt , as , for iii'tane , the assessed taws , Hio t .-: x ' . « . for tte pour , and the ini-oin . ! tax . His object in brinaius forward his present riMiiutum wai to tvst tin : t ' . ui ( ( . f nhich Irish members wer .- u . ade . If they talkcJ to him of repeal , he would ull them to ronslfcr » vhut reiuai was in this se . « son of leil calaH . ity . Tlitre was no ta'k about it n ^ iw ; they were nil sin . tjin ^ low , rm ' l jjisir iioto ivas iiotliiug but "Give , jji . e . " U iJ . al ciickoo sry was

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      pressed upon England now , England mi (; bt cut the chain which connected her with Ireland , and might cast Ireland adrift to be overwhelmed by th « storm which was now sweeping over it . There had been nothing ; proposed by that paity which would make nn impression on a rational man ' s mind , or win for itself a moment ' s hearing . He ( Mr . Boobuok ) had taken a part in Irish debates , and he had won for himself perhaps an unenvious notoriety . [ An honour , able member : " An unenviable notoriety . " ] Amongst those who had come to him were two Catholic priests , and he hoped tho honourable member for Kilkenny would liiten to » hat he had to stute : one was the Rev . Dr . Collina ; the other the Rev . Mr . M'Carthy . lie mentioned their names with their own consent . Thev came from

      Hallow , bar ur been sent as a deputation from that neigh , bourhood . Whnt was their first statement to him , when , after the usual courteiies , he had asked them to be »<¦ ated t " Sir , " eaid one of them , " don't beliere that tbe gentlemen in the House of Commons that come from Ireland represent Ireland . " His ( Mr . Roebuck '?) un-% er was— "Sir , I am extremely glad to hcur it " ( L- 'tighter . ) " Sir , " said they , " they aro the reprewn . tatives of property in Ireland ; now wo , the priest hood raised from amongst the people , entirely conversant with their feelings , mixing with them , are her <> , sir , deputed to tell you from the Irish people tht»—don ' t listen to a word that is said in the House of Commons by any represcntatlve from Ireland . " He ( Mr . Itoebuek ) saH , " I shall most religiousl y obey your r > quest . " ( Loud laughter )

      . 11 They do not ( they said ) represent the people of that country—they represent the rich , and th y are following out most car . fully the interests of the rich , whom they represent . " One of these clergymen then said there were around Mallow a number of gentlemen of large property , he mentioned the names , but he ( Mr . Ro . buch ) did not put them down , but he asked him to send them , which he had not done . He mentlontd tho num «» of persona possessing three , four , five , ais , and he thought , ten thousand « . year . Ho said they went around for subserlp . tions to those gentlemen for the relief of the starving people . The people were absolutely starving at tbe time , and it was stated at coroners' inquwts that they were dying from starvation . They went to tliene gentlemen and asked them for relief for their starving brethren

      , « nd from none of them did they get any thing but the minutest trifle byway of relief ; and one of these rev . gentlemen said—and he ( Mr Roebuck ) wonld remark that be was greatly won by his manner ; he had a huartl . ness about him ; it was not whatbe had been accftitomed to see coming from Ireland—bnt be had a heartiness about him which won his ( Mr . Roebuck " * ) approbation —and rriseye twlnkWd wlun ho said that one offlrete Kentlemen had seventy dogsllving on meal and milk e » ery day , tboagh coroners' inquests wert held at that man ' s gate upon persons who had died of starvation . ( Hear bear . ) I saii , ' My Sod , Sir , do yea tell me that this is the fact V and he said , " Sir , you know who I am . I have stated toyottthw fact , and you ca » jive my nome . " —( Uear . ) Ihis had poased within a few miles of

      Mallow , and men n&d died f » o » starvation , while dog ? lived . —( Hear . ) H « appealed , not to iriMim enin that house ) but he appealcdto hi 9 © wn countrymen—he raised his voice to the whole of England and Scotland , and he asked if they were prepared to- tear this things He would say that it cotrfd' not bo- done , and h * knew that when he laid that' it should net be dose , the voices of millions woria - be raised in confirmation . — If bs were told that the Irish landlord had been made ' wkst he was by the Legislature , he could not deny it ; ¦ bu t then be would add further ,, that the Irish > lat * dholder : w » 8 a slaveholder , and that * e chain ot hwoppression •> till galled and rusted in the hearts of the Iriah people . : TW lately old feelings-had kept up a rancour ' between thetw » co » ntrtei ; butthat rancour , though extinct in

      England , wii ttill extant in Ireland . All that 3 o Hsl .. mew wasted now was , that Irish landlords should do their doty ; and should be compelled to mortgage their lands-it they would not-oMierwise maintain tbe poor of tirerrconatry . Perhaps- it might be said that tint was no * the time for such < a resolution as he proposed , because the Irish landlords bad' not received " their r » ntas Be denied the fact on tbte authority of a friend in that house , who-informed 1 iim that Irish ri nu had'been ' well received this year . There could bo no myaWry on such matters , for- tbe Tfntt newspaper'was a grand Bude light cast upon all political c mbinations , exposing everything to public inspection except the ueeret fforiAngs of the hearts of Xtish landlords and of Euxluh Cabins * Minister * . He told Lord J . Rvssell that tii » re

      was a-i « cnliarity about hi * - « HuatloD which dereanded-bis consideration , at it had received the consideration of the publiov His cabinet was- surrounded by Irish proprietow . Was it necessary , h-j asked . i . to mention the namee-oftai ) the great Irish landed proprietors connected with the noble lord ' s admitvlstration ! lit mightmentton the Muquis ol Lansdowne , . the Marqois of Clanricarde , in tbe cabinet , and he might mention * Lord Monteasl / , who isbeating at the doorvto get into -itk . ( Lau ( tbt « r . j He mWht also mention thctnobleman who shuok Europe to it * centtc , Lord Pulmurston ; . he might also mention , the Dake of Devonshire , and alto a nobleman who , though-not in the cabinet , it is true , is a .-mngnnte . -noU withstanding —( laughter , )—Enrl Fitzwilliam . Hart he nut come out in support o £ the project of- the noble- lord

      the mamber for Ljnn t He was the first to declase . i » its favour : snd he ( Mr Roebuck ) could understand the feelinjs oftlw noble lord whenhe read the speech of-Biu-i Fitarwilliam on the occasion-he ( Mr . Beebuek ) was sure he elapped'his hands , and said he had got the sixteen millions . ( 'Laughter . ) But there was another-body , stronger even than Earl Fitzwilliam-, am ) that was-tlm people of England . IHear ;) . He migt-t mention . on « more name—a noble lord whose administration ht » u tire

      tion loomed for the benefit of person * of this description , for ttie . rest is " leather aad . prune » a . ' » This i » the real adniaibtrataw . There ws » a great number ^ . person * on that b » nci for whom lij . hBrt a pernonill regttld ; but he wrote tb * m down as ciphers . Those a * the real naaesof the cabinet , and those are the pirsoas who , . in the-faceoftbe United Kingdom , do counteaance . those w . o ha-1 sent a deputation , to the noble lord ( L »/ d J . » i asJlusseil ) t > try aodLfrighten him , anHo . t * H him the . v would not have an , honest ? oor Law lor . Iceland . Liril J . Russell was a told man ; but there-mas no-. aivil c- ucaije iik his answer te his . question of th ^ jiiylu— " I cainut tell what Ishall . do if the Poor Luw ., is . not eacried . " He could tell his lordship what , the housu would do in such a contingency—it would tbrow out

      both bills . The fact was , Ministers did not know their awn pflliey from one houx to another , ar . dthe vesselin wbiuhthey sailed , like the aid Agnmemuon , was only kept together by the swtges . o 5 it opponents uromid . it . He then showed , b . y reference to Sir R . Peer »* o , nduction the Income Tax , and oa the , Sjirit Tax in Ireland ^ that he was-very amenable : » . the people of England , and con . teiuiud tuat L » rd J , Ewjscil . must ^ be mode amenable to it also , for his present tj stem would not do , aud : we must have a complete overturning of his presentpolie ; toward * Ireland . The popujntion of Ireland deserved the eensl . deration of a great ^ tatesmun , who Cuuld coavert it into asilf-Rupportingpupulation like that of Gnat Britain . ' But the most preposterous mode of attenminng such a

      conversion was tp . lavish criminally . isiUious upon it . A Mii . Uterough ^ aot tu pander to such a stow of things . If he did ko , the cunsequencB would , be thai the terrible year of 1847 woul < l he followed bj . tlio stilS more tcrribltt year of 1818 , ar . ri the result would bu no Uss t ' alal to thv resources of England than to thn * s of Iruknid lie warntil , the huuse thai it would not belong before the nation , in its political capacity , would be called in to pass judgment on all these schemes . English mtmhers would hav ^ tu answtr this question from their constituents : " What have you tone with their monpj ? ' and would they Oa * e to ttplj , " Wel \» ve thrown it away on the Irish piM >» , because the Irish proprietors would not give it to thtm . from tht ir rBsourci'fi V

      ilr . Si ^ BoccHEBE hoped that Irish members wuuhl nut bv drawn into the discussion of such topics s > 3 . Mr . Hockm * Jin . l raised in his . speech . He trusted also that the house would refuse its assent to tbe pr » poniiuni just laid before it . Asagmcral proposition he did not deny its truth und justice , but under existing circumstances it would be highly inexpedient to extend the Income Tax aud the assessed taxes to Ireland . If Ilie government was " criminally lavish" in expending eight millions upon Inland , what alternativehad it but to expend this money , or let hundreds aud thousands , and even hundreds ot thousands , of the people ol that country starve ? He would not then , however , enter into any lengthened vindication of the policy of the eovernment , his principal object in getting upbting to express hishope that the house would at once go in to committee , and embark upon the proper business of the evening .

      Mr . Shaw thought that before Mr . Roebuck proceeded to assimilate the taxation of the two countries he ought to consider the statistical differences helnun tliem England was a rich and manufacturing country , Ireland a poor and agricultural country . The population of England was double that of Ireland . The produce of Eng . land was £ 150 , 000 , 000 , that of Ireland £ 85 , 000 , 000 . Wages averaged in England from 8 s . to 10 s . a w « elt in Inland not more than 2 j . a week . The rtntul of England was £ 70 . 000 , 000 , thatoflreland was only £ 6 , 000 , 000 . The revenue of England paid £ 44 , 000 , 000 , that of Ireland '

      only £ 4 , 000 , 000 . In Ireland ther wtre 2 , 500 , 000 persons nbsulutvly destitute in ordinary times ; und 2 , 00 ( 1000 more , who in England would be thought deserving objetts for poor law rdicf . Circumstances like these ought to be taken into consideration before the Iioubo nllirmeii a resolution like tho present . He wished thut Uc cuultl give to the people of Ireland that self-reliance on which Mr . Roebuck had dwelt bo strongly ; but a poor iaw , instead of creating that self-reliance , was a intiutiro better calculated thau any other to destroy that nascent f .-elinc .

      Mr . J . O'Conneli roso chiefly to reply to certain strictures which Mr . Uotbuck had directed auainst the repeal party , both iu and out of the house . Was this ihe time in which to extend the taxes alluded to in Ireland , when the incomes of that country were curtailed b y fully onehalf , ti om the ni > n . p » vment of rent ! He would give the Pour Relief Bill his strongest support , but would tndeavour , at the same time , to defeat certain amendments proposed to it , end seemingly fav-mred b y the Govern , nu-nt , nhiuti , in his opinion , u « uld go to nullit y all the btntfiU proposed to be attained by the bill .

      Mr . ISailme characterised Mr Roebuck ' s scheme for this rt lit f of Ireland as fallacious . There ware Bome part * even of tliiscounlry , in which the land could not cemud tu contain [| ll tUo neonlo footed upon it , Iu Itc ^ nfl , 80

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      long as the potatoes were sound , the land could and did support its people ; but now that thepotato had perished m many part , of that country , the jund could no longer | , do 60 . The dUficultlcs of the l * l . h question , therefore , we n ^ T * *? \ wean& of a Btri n 8 p ° - - Mr IIuHEdemea that there was a single union in iKtabd . which could not maintain the poor within it . All that Mr . Roebuck wanted by his preseni motion , wa » an equality of taxation between the two countries There wns no reason why this equality should not exist , and he thought tlie pre » ent time a * favourable as any other could be for ita establishment . As a neccisary accom . paniment , however , of such a measuro , they must also establish an equality of civil , religious and political rights between the two countries .

      Sir R . Peel did not think that the proper occasion on wbioh to discuss the question of tho share borne by Ire . land of 'he financial burdens of ihe country , nor did he regard the honourable and learned gentleman ' s proposition as the best mode of scouring hit ovvnolject . The bill before the house proposed , at a time when about 700 , 000 people were engaged upon public works , to put It in the power of certain proprietors , by borrowing money from the Treasury , to withdraw a portion of these from unprofitable labour , and engage them upon the tillage nnd improvement of tbe soil . Thisobject ' of the bill was , theretore , a gool one , and the mode in which it was pro . poBed to be secured unobjectiouaultt . But the proposition of thu hon . ond learntd gentleman went to making thu loan of a few hundred thousand pounds to certain pro - prietors the consideration of imposing tha income-tux , and other taxes , upon the people of Ireland . This was compromising the real merits of the question . It was

      treating a problem of great magnitude in a very little way , and prejudicing the honourable and learned gentle , man ' s own case , by miiing up with tho financial quea . tlon involved in this proposition such extraneous matter as it oontained . He did not content the principle of the resolution , but the whole surgV'ct which it involved was accompanied with difficulties , not insoluble it WHS true , but such as were not to be met by any geHertil resolution like this . Ho trusted the house in approaching a bill in cotnmitteo , which it might nud it no very easy work to proceed with , would not , by adopting the proposition of thu honourable and learned member , encumber ltielf with additional and unnecessary perplexities .

      Lord J . Russell thought that in going into a variety of irrelevant subjects , Mr . Hoi-track had overlooked tha strongest arguments in favour of his own proposition . If they mte now renewing the iiwome . tBX , he thought there were arguments in favour of that proposition connected with tbe « tate of Ireland itself . Some suspicion had been eaeited in the minds of many by the course which the government proposed to pursue in reference to the two bills sow before the house . They did not pro . pose that these' two bills should go ( together , on the ground that that more immediately un&r their consider . Htion was conferring a boon upon the proprietors , and Cliat whilst they werte gi ing a boon by tho one hand they would impose a burden- by the other . It was most deii . ruble that a large portion of the population of Ireland

      should find other employment than that now afforded them , und he knew crfiio better means of proourin ? them this-thau by encouraging the proprietors to improve iheir landV TSuw he doubted' if this bill would hove aU the effiiot desired , if it wer * not accompanied- by another measure , which provirtsd for the compulsory mahitenatoe of the starving poor in Ireland by the owners- of property , It was upon thit ground , and this alone ,. tba 4 it wnrproposed that both- bills should go together . Ae to tbenreat numbers now employed on thepublieworlt 8 > he had tHe satisfaction of informing the house that that government had entered r . pon a course , since the-passinp of the lt » te act , vrhich he Wad ^ very reason to hope would 1 loon , and' greatly , diminish : ' the number at present SO ' employed .

      Mr . SviTtr O'Bukn said lie did not rise for the purpose of bandying compliments with the hon . mmber forBathj . H « believed thofnothing would gratify that ' . hon . member more than showing him that his speech had ruffled his-fHK O'Brien ' s ) tempt r , and so far from such ' being th »> cage , he was rather inclined to tb » nk <> th «" honourable member for the ardour which he had devoted ' to promoting a cause whicb'he ( Mr . O'Biien ) warmly , advocated ! He believed the-honourable member-had done mor » iatter ) y to advancothe repeal question Man any other individual wbatev 3 rv ( H « ar , hsar . ) H « did not think , however , that he ¦ sr »» at liberty to pass insilence a ' . challenge that the - honourable membenhad

      thrown out' The honourable-member spoke of- theadvocates forirepeal coming oMate with bated breath and whining tones , asking SB gland for a continuance j of the Unioni' Ho utterly repudiated any such notion ; and , on the contrary , he would'isay that every houp-of this awful year ; and every day-that he lat in that jwrHa- [ ment , only convinced him more- and * more of the- rretei- ! ( ity of a demostie parliament for Iceland ; and ho wonld ! peril all that-be was worth in-the world te obtain a ! repeal of the-UHion next woekj . ( Hear , he » r . )< The honourable gentleman proceeded at some leDgtn to sKow that the financial it . justics perpetrated upon }» eln : < d . at i the time of the ffnion , was a sufficient answer toMr . I Roebuck ' s resolution . <

      Mr . D . CiiLAGaAN said that one of the twogentlnnen > whom Mr . 3 >< ehuck had censured for not subscribing to ' tho relief fund at Mallow , had > but asmallpiepertyin that vicinity , and that theother ? had no property at . all j there , but lived- at Fertnoy . Itivus not for him . tonttribute moti 7 Bs ¦ & » honourable sen-tlemen for any course of conduct they j > unued in thiitheuse , but he thought people out of-doors would ask why it was that the . htnourable anil learned member for . fikth had chosen tot » ke up this sub-qet . He would state a fact with reference to the honoinr . hle . aflrt learned memben . He ( Mr . Callushan ) had the-misery one evening , this session to sit by the honourable , nnd learned gentleman . It hnppaaed to be the very niglit w hen the h : raourable member for Water , ford ( Sir Hi ' . W .. Ba » ron ) said something which seemed to irritate ths .-honourable and learned gentleman ,. An honourable 'gentleman came up , at the moment , and ,

      sitting beside him , said , " Rcabuek , did you hear what Barron said of you ! " "Idi' ^ i ' Teplied tho honourable aud learned . men&Vfet for Bath . , " Well , " said the other houuurablajnember , " th . y will-all , be at you on » , aftvr another—take care . " "Oh ! ! ' * aid the honourublci and learned ^ "iitlanian , "I have ub-answer for th ; xa all : I'll give tbarn . what they don ' t like—an income . tnx . " ( LaUKhterO i The honourable genttrxnan ivho thua « pok « to the honouraMe nnd le . \ riisil member for Bath , nore n Quaker uoat- and ^ road-brirameil hat . From bis garb lie ou (? l )' ., to . lia > e been a friend of peace , and ofthehon . oiimble and U-jirncdgentleman ; bat he ( Mr . Ci-. lkiglian ) was sic ' ienedi that a man , sailing himself the ' tiend ot peace , ahpuldi aitirnpt further to exasperate thsjionour . able and le . icnvid member for . Bath , after ths-aUaekh whi .-h M had already made in lhat house uppn Irish lauded jpfopsieiors .

      Aftav aoina further diecu ; tion , in which Lord G . Bentinck , Mr . Monek'on Milac 3 ,. M . i . Muntz , and Hjt , Yorke , oppeosd the motion on various grounds , and Mr . B . Estratt , Mr . S . Crjiwf Jrd . nnd Hr . James supported it , The house divided , and £ he numbers were— . 3 oi the amendment . . „ 26 Againsiit .,, 121 Majority for . goiag into comuiittee 95 the house then weatinto committe on the bill , whereupon iu various clauses . passed through committee , and the chairman rtpoitcd to the house . TSa report to be haought up on WeiUie . sd » y . The eommittee efl . tli ^ Poor Relief ( Ireland ) Bill was taien postponuil till J-ridaj , after which | The other er < l * rs of the day were disused of , and the 'house adjourned At twouV . ock . ; VUS . &DAY , Mabch S ,

      Mr . S . Cba wronP . ( iave notice lhat or , Tluesday , the 23 ru of March , he should move for leave ta , bring in a bill to repeal the Sijtennial Act . CAPITAL ifUNISIIMENT . —Aftea the dismissal of the private bu-siiics * , Mr . Ewaiit brought forward his motion for she total lvpt-al of the punishment of death . After reviewing , the various mitigations of our criminal ende whio )) . hiid bten made of late . yenrs , and after ( jyotini ; a gu : t . t mass of statistical , returns to prove Unit Crimea bud decreased as thu sevsiity of nuuisltment bail diminished , he inferred thereliom that the intlictiou ot death was no linger mjcestaiiy as a safeguard against oriiu * . He came to this conclusion from rellectwg on tint iuiprovod syst m of prison discipline which we had rmiitly utlopn-ri , . n the increased strength of oai ; police

      force , ami on the better education of tho people . The disproof , how evir , of the necessity of the in&iction of death as a punishment did not lie on him ; on the contrary , the prodl of its necessity was thrown oa , those who argued for the continuance ot capital punishments . He urged not imlv thut the punishment of death was not necessary , hut also that it was positively injurious to the administration of justice , to the criniiimb themselves , to tliii juries who touuu the vurdicts , and to the public for wliosi ! jrotn'tiun these sanguinary peoalties screen acK-iI . Bt w-iivitt had said tl . ut the great moral value of punishment tinise t ' rom the certainty of its infliction . But in this country you could not inttict death as a punishment even in every case of murder . Your laws , therefore , created a gvstcni of moral gambling in the inimls of jour criminals , and they staked the < r lives against their chance of escaping puniihinent . It aho vrtnted sympathy for the cviminal instead of an abhorrence for his crime . It weakened the force of your

      tiiinmalP , as hoth judge and juries looked not to the crime , but to the puiiisnmeut subsequent to tlio proof of it , and were , theretore , morbidly sensitive to the responsibility under which tiny acted . It was not oven useful as an example to the public ; for it was not invested with thepomp » fa solemn ceremony , but was inflicted at an earlj hour in thu morning , as if to withdraw it from publicity . He mit- . ht be asked what , punishment he would substitutt ) for that of death in cases of murder . To that question he replied that he would substitute imprisonment for lifo . lie would cease to make punishment a civilized re . vengi-, and would give the criminal timo for repentance , instead of clo « ing the gates of repentance- aguiubt him . He thuuyht that from the Letter education of our people tho time was now arrived when the great experiment which he recommended could be safely and successfull y tried . He . th . vefore , culled on the house to sacrifice old prejudices on the altar of civilization and of Christianity , b « u t « Rive him leave to bring itt ft bill for the total ate . litiim » f eai'iialpunialnntnt ,

      Dr , BowRiNO seconded the motion in a short-speech , in which he further enforced the arguments ol Mr . Ewart . Sir G . Gbet observed that he could not consent to the sweeping measure recommended by Mr . Ewart , inasmuch ; is he proposed to abolish the puimV . ro ont of deatli not ouly iu the most aggravated case * of murder , hut alto in cas ^ ofUi 8 UU 6 awu , wV , «^\ i ( oto au iudefinite exU ' ut

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      \ ¦ might be sacrificed by the guilty attempts of those who committed it . No one now wished us to retrace the steps whioli we had already tnken In th . mitigation of the severity of our criminal code ; nor wa , he prepared to ? " ? , !? r >? r \ TV miRht not even 8 ti » Procccd further . The only kgUwmte object of punishment was the prevention of crime and tho protection of society . Mr . E » vart contended that the punishment of death did not answer lhat object ; but his arguments in support of that position appeared to him to be nnything but sati * . factory . It was true that since the year 1841 there were certain classes of crimo on which capital punishment had not been inflicted ; but it was also true that since that time no case of murder had taken place in which the execution of the murderer had not followed . There had been in consequence a decrease in the number of murders committed of late years ; and he attributed that result to the certainty with which extreme punishment

      followed the commission of the crime . In the case of murder , public opinion was not in favour of the abolition of the puninhment of death ; oh the contrary , he be-Moved that it would be shocked by the enactment which Mr . Ewart proposed . The publie were of opinion that life was protected by Hie continuance of the punishment of death ; and as a proof of it ha referred to the readme *• with which individuals prosecuted , a » d witness ** came forward , and juries convicted in cases of murde / . He concluded by giving a direct negative to the motion . Mr . Hume contend » d that Sir O . Grey had not met any of the arguments of Mr Ewart , but had evaded them all . He asserted that there was great hesitation on the part of Juries to convict at present in any case where death was certain to follow a verdict of" guilty . " He implored the house to proceed in the good couise in which it bad been proceeding for some time past , and to allow this bill tobe introduced .

      Mr . Aomonbt denied that public opinion wasinfavtrar of the continuance of the punishment of death , and contended that it was not for the pnlllc good to inflict it any longer , lie should support tke motion for brinelnir in this bill . B K Sir R . Iboms contended , upon theological grounds , that it was not left to human legislators to consider whether , as a matter of expediency , they should or should not inflict death in cases of murder . The Divine Legis . lator h « d declared that " whosoever sheddeth man ' s blood by man shafl his blood be shed . " We migbt deem It expedient to abolish death in cases of forgery , sheepstealing , and other crimes , but we were not at liberty to abolish death an a punishment for murder . Mr . Brothertok eontroverted the doctrines of Sir R . TnglU , and declared bh ? intention to support the'bill . The house then divided , when there appeared—For the motion „ u Against it ... „ » 1

      Majority against it ... ... 4 $ AGAtCULTURAIi STATISTICS . —Mr . M . Otnm moved for leave to bring Jn a- Wll for the collection of agrieulttwal statistics In Eng \ smd and VTale * . Thehoine was fully agreed as to the importance of obtaining" agricultural statistic *; and the object of this bill was to create the mncllftwry by which they could be obtained , It was proposed to procure returns from every occupying tenant of not less than * five acres , cotftuhifny a description of every sort of crop-, be it wheat , barley , or oats , sown upon his land . Tlieretarns were to be annual ; but in case ' X gliould bo found'that annual returns- were unnecessary , and thnt they could be more convenientl y given at longer periods , a dispensing power was given to- the Board of Trade TOcaU fbr thetn atro » re distant interrals . England and Wales weretecbe divided into Superintendent

      Registrars' districts , artd' these again werb tb be divided into Registrar ' district * -. Tho Registrars-would be authorised to appoinVagriCultuttJl enumerators t » communicate with the farmers . It wti ? through this machineyy that he proposed to collect ttvese statistics . The enumerators -aould retunHh ' eir papers to the Registrar , and the Heffhtrar would ' return'them to his Superintendent , By the afcperintetidfetrt they would be tabulurraed , anil forwarded to-the Board of'Trade , by whom they would be reduced into proper form ' , to be submitted to Parliament , It wai proposed to obtain similar returns from Stotlitnd and Ireland , but iaa different way , which he briefly described to > the house . 2 Jf . Home contended thfct this was a very wild nrrd useleas inquiry , and ttmt the statistics in qiwsttorr could be more easily obtained by colling for suoh returns from every parish in the'kingddnr .

      Aftfer a few words from m . Henley , leave was-gtvtn to bring in the bill . MORTALIT 1 TINMBELASD On tbe-motion oi Mr . SjCBsikn , a return was ordered of the -number- of-persons who have d ' ud in each parish in Ireland duringwach month since the lit of November , 1846 , hvso far a * the same csn bo ascertained by information' derived itbm the inquiries of the constab-jtary , specifying , the number who have died from-stamtioa-or disease consequent upon the insufficiency of food , with summary for the whote of Ireland .

      A conversation-of some duration took place on-the policy of making this Teturn , in which Sir-Gv Oreyj Mr . J . O'Cdtanell , Lord John Buscell , Mr . Aglionby , and other members joined . The success of the motion was endangered at the close of the conservation by a declaration of Mr . S , O'Brien that from 200 , 060 to 240 } DOO persous h » d perished in Ireland from starvation . He-would never cease toarralgn the-lcgislature if such a state of things wtre allowed to continue , and'he would- take every opt portu-iiiy of publishing to the-world tba «> hi 9 country , men vrore allowed to pei ish likevermin by * ho British « o-

      vernmeat . This cailedup Mr . BXlme , who remarked that as Mr . S .-O'Brien bad declared that not one individual shouW b * allowed toperish ( rom'Starvatio » . in Ireland , he must call on thaS ^ gentleman > to declare , explicitly how such a- result was- to-be prevented . He would not allow such a « haige to bt brought against the- government , when its humanity towards Ireland had'been extended beyon 5-ail due bounds . In this declaration Mr , Henley joined , and cautioned the government not to allow any returns on the accuracy of which it could not r « ly , to-be made on . this subisot . The motion was ^ routed .

      The other orders of the day were then disposed of , and the house adjourned nt 8 o ' clock :. Wednesday ; Musca io . The House met ut twelve o ' olock . ARSEST F . OR DEBT ( IBErf-Ayj )) BILL . —Sir II . Vf < Babuon . moved the- sucond reading of tbis Bill . The hoaourable gentleman , explained the provisions of this moasure , the main object * of which i w «* . to . assimilate the 1 hv » . of arrest in Ireland , to that eaisting in . England , prohibiting arrest for d « bt when > the sum Cemaii (?( d is under 320 .

      ThcSouciToa . General ( for , Ireland ) did not witbito meet the lull with any positive opposition , but he trusted that the honourable gentleman ,. if he would not consent to withdraw it altogether , and leave the matters * the hands-of the Government , would at least consent ta ftostpone tbe second reading of it until he had time psoparly to consider . its-provisions . He-had scarcely besa three weii » . in , the house , and from the multlpHcity . of other objects demanding hi * atttntios , he had not as ^ athad tim « to give it that consideration which it required at his bands . If the hon . gentleman would consent to press the bill no . farther , but leava the matter entirely . i » the hands of the Government , ho would promise him that it would undergo the most serious consideration . Mr . SH 4 . W was not prepared to offer any opposition at prascivt to . the principle of the bill , hut he hopjjd that the honourable gentleman would comply with tb ^ suggestion ofitho- Solicitor-General in * respect to it .

      Mr . Monckton MiLNsa supported the second-reading , wldiwiiig a vsiritty of instances in which , the law ot arvest . os it at present sajsted in Ireluml , wnawnvtrted to . purposes involving the grossest abuse cf , ie . liir . LAnouoiEitE said- that he was unwiUiRg to give any distinct pledge thai if the measure ware then withdrawn tht Govemmvat would bring in a Vill with a similar object to thatot the bill now before the bouse . His chief reason forrcfc&Wttg this pledge at jwescat was th « « reat pressure of Ir . ish husine . » s which existed

      alreadvfome of which he Seated would have to , b « postponed if thu Government wuiirtook to bring iu , n bill like that proposed by the hsiu . urable gentleman . Considerini ; the importance of the many Irish measures already before them , la- thoughii it would bo unadvisable to ritk tho passuge of any oiitliem by encurabeviag themselves with a measure of this imture . The subj ( eut would , however , undergo the bea consideration oftu » Oovevnmcrit , anil ho hoped the honourable guiitleniaa would consent to go . no further at present , without extracting any pledge from him beyond that already given .

      After soma further conversation the bill was m ! idtavvn . DUAIN A 6 E BILL . —Tho b » use then went into contr . mittee on the Drainage Dill , Some amendments were proposed to the measure , by Sir G . Gkey , theobjvet of nhich was to render certain the application of the money borrowed from the CSovernraent to the purposes dcsipacd . andto extend the benefits to be thrived { i-. tlic \>\\\ as wioely as possible ^ which amendments weru concur / ed in by Sir J , Grahum and by Lord G . Bentinck , tho latter , however , expressing au opinion that more monay than wns proposed should be expendod for the purpose , if it was sought to carrj it beneficially out . The different clauses of the hill , with th » amendments proposed , were severally adopted in committee .

      The next business which occupied the attention of the house arose on . bringing up the report on tho Landed Property ( Irelaad ) Bill , some new clauses to which having been bronghtuj ) . thu further cbusid « iaUoa otttw report was postponwS ti ' . l Thursday . The houw adjourned at G o ' clock .

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      FORTHCOMING MEETINGS . Assembly Rooms , 83 , Dkan-stiikei , Soiio . — Mr . T . M . Wheeler will lecture on Sunday evening . Mavch 15 th , Subject— " The Effects of Monarchical and Aristocratical Government . " Ashton . —A meeting of racmbets will ba held o ' . i Sunday evening , at six o ' clock , in the Chartistroom . Bahnsley .-Mi 1 Mirfield will deliver a lecture on Sunday evening , at ei » ht o ' clock , in Mr PickerirYs large room . Subject— " The Rights of Man . " Birmingham . ' - Tho petition committee , and all persons holding petition sheets , are requostcj to meet at the Ship , on Sunday evening , ( to-iuorvow , ) and bring their petition sheets . Bacup . —A meeting will be hold in the Chartistroom , Rochdale-road , on Sunday , March 11 th . Chair to bo taken at half . past ten o'clock , a . m . BiuDFoni > . —The members will meet in tho large room , ( formerly the . gliuotiag gallery ) , Buttcrfforth .

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      buildings , at two o ' clock , p . h . The petition and other committees will meet , asabove , at three o'clock on the . same day . Bunr . —The members will meet on Sunday aftprnoon , in the room over the Old Water Works , Clark , gtrret .-at two o ' clock . BnisTOL . — -A meeting will beheld on Monday even « ins next , to a ^ opf . the memorial to Lord John Rug . sell for the release of Frost , Williams , and Jones . Chair to he taken at ek'ht o'clock .

      Finsbuhy . —An elrrufionaryentertainmont , Ac , will be given at the City Lecture Theatre . Miltonstreet , on Wenesday next . T . S . Duncombe , Esq ., will tnko the chair at 8 o'clock precisely . The committee have issued an attractive programme , and hctwepn the parts , Mr . Butler , a young and very clever imitator of many of our popular aotors . will appear . The proceeds of the benefit are in aid of the library of the Mutual Instraction Society . —Mr . T . S . Toole will deliver a mathematical lecture , on Monday evening next , at nine o'clock .

      Greenwich . —A general meeting will be held at Mr Paris's , Cold Bath , on Tuesday , March 16 th , to take into consideration tho propriety of calling a public meeting . toinvestieatethe conduct of Admiral Dundas . in votin ? asainst the repeal of tho Ratepaving Clauses in tho Reform Bill . A subscription has commenced in aid of Dr M'Douall , and " West ' s Testimonial " Hm .-A meeting will beheld at the Ship Inn , Church-lane , on Sunday evening at six o ' clock , on business of importance Lancashire Minkrs . —The next general delegate meeting of Lancashire miners will be held at the Wheat Sheaf , Coppull , near Cborley , on Monday , March 22 nd , chair to be taken at eleven in the forenoon . There will also he a public meeting , which will be addressed byWP Roberts , Esq , and other genfcemen

      Liverpool . —A meeting of members will be held on Sunday evening , March 14 th , at Mr Fan-ell's , i , Cazneau-street Manche 8 txh > -A tea party and ball will he held at the Grand Half , Cimpfield , on Good" Friday afternoon , in honour of the principles contained in the People ' s Charter ; and in commemoration of the Land Scheme , propounded bv F O'Connor , Esq Martlbbone . —Mr . J . F . Lindon will deliver a lecture at the Coach Painters' Arms , Circus-street , on Sunday evening ( to-morrow ) at seven o'clock precisely . Subject—* ' Political Economy contrasted with Natural EconomyP

      Nbwcastlk-on-Tynb —Dr . M'Douall williectore at the Quay-side on Sunday . March 14 , at two o ' clock ( weather permittine ) . The Dr . will also lecture in the lecture . room , Nelson-street , on Monday , March 15 , at eight o ' clock , p m . —Cbrrepondence respecting the Dr . ' 8 tour to be addressed to Mr . J . Nisbett , 6 , Gibson-street . Ou ) nAM . —On Sunday ( to-morrow ) Mr . Jones , of Manchest-r , wiff lecture in the- school-room of the Working Man ' s Hall , at six 0 ' cTocft , p . m . Subject" Ifowcan Labour best emancipate itself ?" Rochdale . —Orr Sunday , the 2 STth instant , the ; Chartist council will meet in their room , Millstreet , at ten o ' clock in the forenoon , instead of ^ Monday night . Swwiky Bridob . —Dr . M'Douafl will lecture here : on" Thursday , March 18

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      MEETING OP JOrTRNEYMEff BAKERS TO SHORTEN TUB" HOURS OF LABOUR . Ori Wcdhwday evening : a numerous meetJng of the opmtlvebaSteM of the mfetropolts was hela ntthe White Ccndult Twern , tntnke into consideration the best mean's of sharttining the hnun of labour , especially as ngaras-nigh ' r . work . Mr . Cfhstlcr , " the Factory King , " was present ; It was expected that Mr . DuncomBe , M . P ., Mr . Ferrand , SLP ., and Mr . C . Cochrane ,. wouM have been present , But they sent litters of apotogy > expressing at thfi same time sympathy ih the object of trie meeting . Mr . \ Tak \ ey , M ! P" was caUod to the chair .

      The Cn ' AiRMUcf'then proceeded to address tUe meeting , and said—The object of the promoters of tttaf meeting was to release themselves from a grievous wrong ; and if men-who suffered from wrosg quietly submitted to its infliction they wire sure to-be bad citizen *; and ' well deserving'of the atrffcrines imposed on them .- ( Hear , hear . ) He If hew of no class of workmen vrlre sufrered the satcrsmount of miser . v , of nnno . Tance , of persecution , and degradrition , » s the j « urm > ymen bakers of London . ( Hear , hear . ) How they had bkrne it so long-he could )> ardty uwoldrstnnd , ' U was only to be explained in this way—that'by tlie tiain they began to get angry with the system tl ^ y-riiod . ( Hear , hear . ) There was aotagroy . headed r . ran nmongst them- He understood that a greyheaded journeyman bfekferwas as difficult to Snd as a dead don ' ifty on » comtnon . ( L ' angfcter . ) How was this !

      There WB 3- no unioir amonsst them . ( Hear . ) Their dough was-not' well set . If they only heated'their own ovens for themselves as well at they heated them for others , they would nm . be there to complain of the grievanco which' hhd called th ' envtocether . ( Hear and laughter . ) It depended orr themselves , then , wheihfcrthey would be able to produceabatch to their own sstrsfntion . ( Hear . ) He was told that there were 7 , 000 journeymen takers in fond on , rnany ^ of whom had families . But'h ' 9 understood that the masters- » Hd not like t »« mploy married menv ( Cries of * Tl ue . " ) Now , many <>{ tho&o vho ' eat bread really knew nmhingof the laboar-wbieh was expended-in its production . They little knew that the production'of that bread- was the c » use of grievous diseases nad that frequently twenty out of the twenty . four hours were empl- 'rei ) in its manufacture . ( Hear , hear . ) Najj he-was Inf 8 rnw 1 that frequently nwn were engaged in the bakehouse fortrno days tojethtr .-without being able to stir from the toil which they had toendure ,

      Now , was ther * a necessity-for this state of things ' ( Loud cries of "No , no ^ 7- If they only combined ho neatly to rclie \ e themselves ,- they must be successful , for their cause wan n good one , Ttie question was , how wera they to succeed f- Pirt , b > uombinntion ; next ; by Hitcuesion ; a « d , lastly , Ity temperate agitation ,. ( Hear , hear . ) Their * proposal wns , as he understood it , not to beeroployed-taore th . m . twelve hours a day . —( Heart ) Well , he thought tins was-quite long enough for-mento be ensaged- in-any employment ; but when it wrs recol . lected that the jiurr . eymen . bnkers were employed at the mouth of an oven , in a temperature , varying from 75-Uo 85 , and then-in a moment parsing into one bvlow the freezing point—when it «« g recollected that the effect of this system- wa * to bring on a short cough , aw' that tbe cons queoce was a continuance of disease ending in premature death—he thought these were additional-reasons why , in the baking of bread , the hours-of labour should be limited to at least the number hers mentioned .

      —( Hear . ) : Then , again ,. he wished to know if it was necessary to- work at-nigiiS-f —( Cries of " No . " ) . Some say that it is , and somr that-it is not . —( Cries of-5 ft > . ) - V ? by was it neoessary to worli at night ? To supply uioe hot rolls to phase the disoa * ed palatB of some oldtnaid ?—( A laugh . )' ' He , for one , was willing to assist * and would exert all hispower atid'i ' nfluence to produse a change in a systemiwhieh was . aTAe destructive of th&tealth , com . fort and morals otthe clats affected bys iti — f Hear , hear . ) Mr . Iv $ By an oporat-ive baker , in moving tbe , first resolution . which deolawd tlmtthe houts oMaboup during which the . journeymen bakers were employed , aamely ,

      from eleven o ' clock atniitht t .. five , and six tlie following evening and their orcupnticn during the . ni glit ^ wos injuriou » to them phpsirnlly nml mentnlly , and destructive of th » ir doraestio- comforts , said , that- although there might be some doubt as to the possibility o < giving up night-work , theue- could be tifluo aa re * j « ot «( i Vhe ahoTt . t > nii > ar of the hou ? 3 uf labour . —( Hear , hear , ) Not inly did man connected with the bnkicg . business die earlier , owing to the severity of the labour , which they bad to untk'rao , but tht old nun wrp sat . asido in order that young men uii ^ M be euiinged—sn-ihat the old men were only to be fouatl in the > vorki > ov 8 es , or in some miseraWa roum in some wretched house . —( Hvar . )

      Mr . Williams nnothei opi-raiive , seconded the resolu ' tJon , und said that 12 hours were quite V > ng enough for any journeyman to work , nnd thi-j'naste » thatcould not do , business wfth Biu-ii hour * ' employment ought to retire , from it . | Hiar , htiir . ) Ilio speaker then pro test ad ngainst ibe system of night vverJting , and obscrtcd that thojpur-BtytMnbnktr wits fastened down in the bakehouse ^ so that if a fire were to take place io tbe house he u » ight he desboyed before a clinuau of escape could be afTordedv He knew persons to die in tlie bulwdiouse . andthe fautwas not known until the uutstitt enmcto learn the result Qf the baking , ( near , hoar . i They must niako an »( fpi ; t to

      getxul ot the grievance of which they complained . " Let it come slow , or tei it como fast , We will endeavour to ba free at last . "— ( . Cheers . ) Tho resolution was thin put from the ehyr . ttnd ssreed to . * Mr . Read then proposed the next resolution , which was to tbe effect that night work , and the hours of labour during which journeymen bakers were emyloyed , were the « ause of the ruinous ' .-ompevition whiok ixuUd in the trade , ifcc . Mr . Head proceeded to refeu ta tho history of baking , and to contend that the jaeseut systi-m was highly injurious to tho workmen as « ell as to « ho trade at large .

      The resolution having been seconded , was put and carried . Mr . OiaTLnR then moved the adoption of a petition to I ' urliaWnt , praying it to pa&& a measure to restrict the , hours of labour of tin journeywia bakers to tnelve lrjurj ,, nnd to abolish night work . Xhe masters were to be so , liclted to sign the petition . Mr . Oastler contended kfeat out of the tnelve hours t- * cft two ought to be allowed for meals . He also contended thai by shortening tli $ hours of labour , a bonus would be given to labour , so lhat instead of tlw fvtnciple king injurious to the working maa , it would Vie tcrviceable to him . He contended also , that tho only way to ensure protection to th < j workmen , was bs obtaining an Act of Varliuinent o ^ the subject . — ( Hear The rcsolutiou wns sccomlcAand adopted . Thanks having been given to tho ehRirn . ao , tho meet , ing separated .

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      street , naymaikct , in the City of Westminster , ut tho Oihce , in the smile Street and . I'nrisli , for the IVo . pi-ietor , FEAltGlIS O'CONNOR , Esq ., and published byttiLLUMi IlKwn t . of S « . 18 , Charles-stre « t , Brandon-strtct , \ Va ! \\ wb , in the parish of St . Mavy , Nuw"Ww" " ^ w -tyof Surrey , nt ti »> Office , So . 16 , Great Wma | l ) . stn ct , Hayninrkct , iu iliu Citv of West ' luUlBlCFi Saturday , IMar « U 13 t '» , 18 i 7 .

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      «•• ul'l ** bimt cherrfully to all taxes in . posed b > the rarliHinvnt « . f the Untied Kingdom , though thi-y might < U- ; v . ish tli-m «« en proposed by parties in lhat house . Loni BB < ncn * M said , if it wan his fate not to be listened to . as the noble marquis foretold , he must only submit to the pummon lot of mankind , senators as well aJ ot | iers He could not venture to hope to meet with the same respect ax the noble marquis did when he ad-. lrcs > e < i tluir lunlsliips ( Laujitrer , amidst which tbe Ms- ' - quis of Lcndondtrry saivi "Quite mfe . " ) If what he » : < i > i " ' »» ' » > ' coiiteinptihlc , he hnd only to hope t ) i : it ilif noble matquis would tHke the usual means of fiinwini ; that he dul not care for it . Ho had used no bail jok ^ s , bo stated facts , but he did nut attack the Irisli landlord !! . As to the disposition of Ireland ta submit to taxati- n . if the Irish w » uld cheerfully submit to iln- incinne . tax . they must b « much mor « loyal tliHn we w . rc in Uiis C'lintry , for we did not cheerfully sut mit to it . ( A laugh )

      Aiterat . w funhir ohservotions from tho Earls of Cure and Mountcashel , Tlie mums wir- iigrccd to . Their lordriilps adjourmil at half-past six .

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  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), March 13, 1847, page unpag, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct1409/page/8/