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      === ^ 7 ^ HINT < HIE DUKE OF . 10 THE IDnOK , t ) P THE TUBS . c > .-Being equally anxious to " curry" favour htlie multitude , weiare sent Ms Grace the Duke ^ vorfblk a sample of soup sent to us from Sydney , ° ' * fonists being desirous of furnishing the mother nntrr with any quantity at a very cheap rate , pro-^ ' ol a xeiA bc *? und for its consumption ; and if his rrace ' ^ iU . on his own account , instruct us to send at for a few tons of the article , his Grace will be -tabled to serve the poor at a pinch , and materially a ' qstthe nseof the mixture of turmeric , coriander e ^ u gin £ er ' cayenne pepper , which are the exponent parts of "curry powder , " so energetically r -comniended by his Grace . We are , Sir , your obedient servants , Keellnu axd lluxi . Monument-yaid , Dec . 15 .

      [ JJuplicate . ] Monument-yard , Dec . 15 . yix Wl Duke , —The colonists of New South -ffales are desirous of supplying the mother country wiih any quantity of soup manufactured as described whh the sample sent , and as a good profit is realized bv the tallow obtained from tie other parts of the ox , tier are disposed to send the beef as a concentrated goup io England at a very cheap rate , provided encouragement can be given for the same ; and we therefore respectfully suggest to your Grace to 3 nglrnctus to order our correspondents to ship , on account of your Grace , some tons weight of the article fltr the use of the poor , which with the addition of a pinch of curry , will afford an excellent nourishment to them during the winter months . We are , my Lord Duke , your obedient servants , Keeijso . & >•» Host . His Grace the Dukeofl < orlolk , &c .

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      Eiiju . Accident . —On Saturday night , at half-past seven o ' clock , Mr . William Payne , the coroner , held an inquest at St . Thomas ' s Hospital , on the body of John Lambert , aged 42 years , lately in the service of Sir John Rennie , the eminent engineer , whose premises are situated in Holland-street , Blackfriarsroad . Stephen Collier deposed that the deceased was a millwright and engineer , and had been ia the service of Sir J . Rennie for several years . On Tuesday morning , the 9 th ulfc ., deceased and witness were on board a barge moored off Sir J . llennie ' s "Wharf , directing the shipment of three large dockgates , each weighing about five tons . They were lowered by the means of a crane , and in gctiing the third one into the vessel it lodged on the deseased ' s foot . The men instantly raised the ponderous mass of iron with considerable difficulty , and he was extricated and convevoA to the above

      institution , where he was placed in bed , under the care of the house-surgeon . "Witness was of opinion that the occurrence was purely accidental . Jlr . Thomas Hartwell . the house-sunreoii , stated that the deceased was admitted with compound fracture of the right foot . Deceased progressed favourably fur the first fortnight , when he complained of rheumatism- irritafiin of the limb consequently came on , which wasspeeuily followed by mortification , when it was deemed advisable to amputate it at the knee joint . Sloughing ensued , and he gradually sank , and ' died on Friday night from the effects of the injuries . The coroner remarked on the melancholy nature of the case , after which the jury returned a verdict of "Accidental death . "

      Ciiaiioe of Poisoxixg . —ZSewcastle , Dec . 15 . —At a late hour on Saturday evening a body of police apprehended Ralph Joict-y , a hind in the employment of the Duke of Portland , at Cockle Hall , near Morpeth , on a charge of causing poison to be administered to his father , from the effects of which he died . The prisoner w : is immediately conveyed to Morptth . It is rumoured that he has made important disclosures as affecting himself , but they have not yet been made public . Frighwcl Death from Machinery . —An inquest was held on Monday evening , at Mr . Thomas Izon ' s , tuo Plough Inn , Xewtown row , Birmingham , on the body ofafine-srrown girl , fifteen years of age , named Caroline Parker , whose death occurrred under the following truly awful circumstances . From the

      evidence ofher two brothers it was shown that the deceased worked in Air . Bullock ' s mill , in Clevelandstreet , where her step-father , Mr . Williams , of Brewery-street , had mill-power as a steel polisher . On Friday last she was at work at a bench beneath which a shaft run at 200 or 300 revolutions a minute , and it is supposed her pinafore had caught the shaft , and she was instantly drawn closely round the shaft —" wrapped" round it , as the witness described it . Her death was instantaneous , as her back and one ami was broken , her hips were dislocated , and she received other dreadful injuries . It did not appear thai any great carelessness existed on the occasion than is usual in other mills , and the jury returned a Terdict of Accidental Death , with one shilling deodand , at the same time strongly urgingon mill-owners tho necessity of putting up boarding as a protection .

      Execution ix Portugal . —file H-: volucao of the 3 rd iustant gives an account of the execution of two men at Tivira , on the 24 th ult ., for the crime of murder , committed on an old lady , hergrand-daughter , and servant . Alter the bodies of the culprits were taken down and conveyed to the place of burial , evident signs of life were discovered in one of them , and this intelligence being conveyed to the chief magistrate of the district , orders were sent by the lat ter to shout the man if life was found in him , ami accordingly he was shot in the burying-grouud by some soldiers .

      Death bt Fire . —On "Weduesday Mr . Baker held sn inquest at the Bricklayers' Arms , Gloucesterstreet , Mile-end-roaa , on the body of Mr . Frederick Grccnwallcr , aged eighty years , a retired Customhouse officer . On Friday evening last , deceased was sitting by / he fireside , when a noise was heard as if a heavy body had fallen , and on one of the witnesses going up stairs he found the deceased lying on the hearth , with his trousers on fire . He was much burnt about the lower parts of his body , of which injuries he ( lied on the following day . There was no evidence as to how the deceased S 3 : himself on fire . Verdict , " Accidental death . "

      Hydrophobia . — At the village of Glassonby , near Edenhall , iu the county of Cumberland , a few days ago , ar&oid dog , belongingto a butcher of the name Of Armstroug , bit cot fewer than six or seven individuals , a sow In-pi ? , and other animals . One boy , the son of Mr . John Eland , coachman te Sir George MusTave , of Eden-ball , was most severely bitten on one of his legs . A surgeon was soon in attendance , aid cut out that au < l some of the places bitten on other persons ; but Mr . Eland , the father of the bov , being so fearful of the effects of madness , that Sir George , with his usual kindness and liberality , we understand , at his own expense , sent the b > v to a physician in Yorkshire , eminent

      for his skill in cases of hydrophobia ; and we are glad io announce that hitherto no symptoms of madness have appeared iufw . joy or any other of the individuals bitten bv the rabid animal . The dog entered the house of a fanner , and after biting one of the chairs , went into th « backkitchen , when the servantman reached down a gun , which was loaded , and immediately succeeded in shooting it . The dog was of the colly or sheep-dog kind . This shocking circumstance lias given rise to the greatest fear and alarm amongst the whole of the villagers and the inhabitants of the surrounding hamlets , and the results of the effects of the wounds of the persons bitten , who are principally boys , are awaited for with the greatest degree of anxiety and

      terror-OvERFI / nVlNG OF THE THAMES — DlSASTKOCS Eftecis —In consequence of the prevalence of the north-east winds , and the gale of Thusday morning , which forced the water up the Channel , the river overfbwed its banks on Thursday night , and the tide rose to a < reat height . At midnight the sudden roshiu «* of thewaters over the enbankments of the Thames and through the wharfs and alleys leading into the streets , aroused the inhabitants from their slumbers , and a scene of indescribable confusion took place . A great many persons wore saved ill Wapping , Shadwcll the numerous courts and alleys leading out of Bank « ideand other places by the activity of the police those of the Thames division being very assiduous in their exertions . An hour before the time named in the calendar for the primary high water the river was several inches above the usual level , and it continued to flow with a velocity which astonished the oldest watermen and lightermen , until five minutes after one o ' clock yesterday morning , an hour

      bevond the time named for high water at -LondonbrloVe when the tiib was one inch higher at the bt . Katherine ' s-aoek-SAtes than it was in jSovember , 3811 when a similar disastrous visitation occurred . It would be Impossible to recount a tithe of the liairtreadtll Crapes from drowning , or to g ive anything like a complete list of the houses , warehouses , granaries wharfs , and other buildings damaged by the iaundation . From Gravesend to Putney the loss of jroTrertv on both shores has been immense . Happily tisrc has been no loss of life , but a great number of poor families have suffered sreat loss , and will , m consequence , contnue to suffer much discemfort for

      . Visae tune to come . ' Equbsct asd Suspected Murder sear East hf yobd . — On Tuesday last an inquest was iiolden . it £ ; ' Miam , near East-Retford , on the body of Mr . llXi * *>» I » er > an eccentric gentleman of that place whnnn ^ by his death , as was supposed , by a nt of apoJSv tfreumstances , however , exciting suspicion ft p " > rf * W exhumed , and on the inquest it Seon ^ h ** the deceased had been ro bbe d by ks WWr t * " * d narriet Barter Trevor , and a n « 1 eteited s ' ngsuspicion that the deceased gen-SSThk ^ by violence , but the jury SSHSSNgSg ? death . " The two s ^ rvanfc , * jes sed to hejobbery , and on Wednesdav last were" if \ < Wffil £ g £ louse of correction at Southw * 4 * t& * &eiF tmlS . at the nest Retford sessions .

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      Fbahfdx Steam-Boat Collision ox thk River . — At ten minutes to five o ' clock on Saturday evening , as tne Emerald , Diamond steam-packet , was , after touching at Greenhitke , proceeding on her way from London to Gravesend , hei ? Captain ( J . Pindar ) observed a large steam-vessel directly a-head of him , coming up the river . As she approached he and his men in the bow of the Emerald sung out , but the steamer kept in the same track . Captain Pindar ' s order to port the helm had scarcely been obeyed when the Emerald was struck on the larboard quarter ; bv the bow of the other vessel ( which subsequently turned out to be the John Bull , Hamburg packet ) . The paddle-box and quarter of the Emerald were stove in , the funnel was cast down with a tremendous crash , producing a shock throughout the vessel , which , in

      the alter cabin , where the writer of this notice was at the moment , flung the passengers from their seats , and tumbled over and amongst them the tables and everything thereon . The confusion and dismay which followed is indescribable . A rush was made * to the cabin door , but the passage was stopped by all attempting to force their way up the stairs to the deck . A cry of " Bring up the women , bring up the women ! " from the deck , added to the alarm and confusion ; but at length , owing to the self-possession of some of the gentlemen , and a few oi the ladies who made way and held back , the whole of the cabin passengers were on deck in a minute and a half after the collision took place . Then the scene was terrific : the Emerald was believed to be going down . The John Bull ' s bow was apparentlv wedged into the

      larboard quarter , and the bowsprit of that vessel over the fore deck of the Emerald . This was endeavoured to be reached by several of the male passengers of the latter by means of the rigging . Some succeeded in getting into the John Bull in this way , and more clambered up her bows . At this time both vessels had let off their steam , and drifting down with the tide in their state of entanglement , cameathwart the bow of a brig that lay at anchor nearly opposite G rays , but close to the Kentish shore . The collision with the brig increased the danger of the steamers , particularly the Emerald , whese deck larboard cabins were stove in by the brig's bowsprit , which broke off in the collision , and her fore topmast fell forward with all its gear , breaking in its fall theright arm of one , and the left arm of another gentleman on the deck of the Emerald , both of whom , as it would seem , attempted to set into the brig when the vessels came in contact . The three vessels were now entangled

      together , and the alarm on board each was perhaps equal . At length the John Bull fell off from the Emerald , whose anchor had now been dropped , and the Railway steamer from Blackwall to Gravesend , came alongside the brig , and the passengers of the Emerald , except those who got on board " the John Bull , were taken off by her , and landed at Gravesend . Two men , in the first shock of the collision , were thrown overboard , but the writer of this learned , before leaving the Emerald , that they were picked up safely . Each party blames the other for the collision . The Emerald was not , it is said , in her proper track with a going-down tide ; and on the other hand it is averred that the John Bull was not only not on the proper side of the river , going up with a down tide , but that she had no lights up . That she had no lights up , is certain , but the night was moonlight , and there was no fog , and each vessel could , undoubtedly , with propermanaeement , haveavoided the other .

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      INFAMOUS CRUELTY AT SEA TO AN ORPHAN BOY . At the Thames Police-offbe on Wednesday , Joseph Heaviside , mate of the brig Nunez ( Thomas Flight , master , ) was charged with a series of assaults continued throughout a voyage to Alexandria and back again , upon a fatherless lad , fifteen years of age , apprenticed to the vessel . The complainant , a genteellooking and intelligent lad , stated that he shipped on board the Nunez , as an apprentice , on the 10 th or 11 th of last July , and proceeded from London to Shields to take in a cargo of coals . Be had no complaint to make up to that time , but when off Newcastle-on-Tyne , the defendant commenced a series of cruelties , which were continued throughout the voyage , by beating him with a thick knotted stick about the shoulders , back , and thighs . The cause of it was ,

      that he remained in his berth a few minutes after the cook called him , and he was undressed when he was beaten . The next day the mate rope's ended him because he did not draw up the chain cable , which was ton heavy for him , more quickly . Indeed , the rope ' s ending was a matter of daily occurrence until reaching Alexandria , and he became used to it . The blowd used to run from two to a dozen , and always left their mark . Off Gibralter , being on short allowance of water , complainant was directed to see that the cook did not waste it , but no waste having been committed lie turned in , when it was his watch below , without making any report , not thinking it necessary . For this the defendant called him a b— , and rope's ended him with , he believed , tlic main sheet . He cried for mercy , but tlio matesaiil , " lla ha ! l'Jl show you mercy , you b— . " and continued to beat Mm .

      Though much injured , as could he proved by a sailor who saw his back , lie was obligoil to go to work immediately afterwards , knowing that if he did not do so he should be worse served out . After leaving Gibraltar , the mate sketched a very indistinct compass , of which he was ordered to have the use , and whilst he was scanning it over on one ofthewatercasks in the fore-hold , whilst there , cither the mate or the captain , he could not say which , said he was asleep , and he was sent to learn it in the aft er-gallery . The mate , on examining him , found he did not know it . and in ten minutes afterwards , came and rubbed a large wad of tarry oakum over his mouth , faoo , and eves . His eves were sore for a week after that , and

      from that time out it was the constant practice of the defendant to give him from half a dozen to a couple of dozen daily on the hands with the sole of a thick shoe . The captain and mate used to talk of how the Greeks were bastinadoed , and then the mate beat him with the shoe on the stiles of the feet , never giving him more than half a dozen at a time . It gave him terrible pain , which the captain observing , checked the practice . At Alexandria he was constantly rope ' s ended , but lie was then still more used to it , having been about fifty-nine days on the voyage . There he was sent on board a lighter to trim coals , with a pair of slippers on , which were soon cut to pieces , and he had to work on his bsre feet . He could not work fast enough to please the mate .

      Mr . Broderip : Who was trimming the lighter with you , my boy ?—I was doing it myself , sir , but sometimes I was helped by a little Arab boy . Mr . Broderip : I should like to know the size of the lighter this child was trimming alone . "Was it as large as those in the river ?—Complainant : It was , sir . The mate was the basket man , and he used to trv to heave the basket on me . He also threw pieces of coal at me , some of them as large as both my fists . He knocked the skin offthe inside of my ancles , and between the coal dust and the salt water , they turned to large holes . The complainant proceeded to state they were dressed by himself on the passage , butthe captain applied bine-stone . On these occasions the mate would say , " Go aft , yon b— , and get your blue-stone : " and seeing the holes he would exclaim ,

      " How do you like ' em ? " When his feet got so bad , the captain allowed him to knock off for a week . At Ajexandriahe was put over the ship ' s side in a bowline knot to beat the rust off the chain plaits , and was kept at it , with the exception of breakfast time , from seven o ' clock in the morning until seven or eight at nigiit , without any dinner . During this time he heard the mates voice , for he was always sro'ding . On another occasion , being ordered to get the end of the signal halliard offthe awninp , he jumped on the rail fa ) try and do so , but could not . That was the easiest way with his sore feet . He then went up the topping lifts of the boom , as at first directed , and did as he was ordered . Because he did not go up the topping lifts of the boom in the first instance , the mate gave him a dozen with the

      shoe on the head . Complainant oried with pain , and the people of the Robert Ingram , which was lyinL ' near , called out shame on the mats . On another occasion , the defendant made him put his finger in the mouth of a large turtle , which gave him a smart bite , and left two little black holes . After that the mate pulled his ears until the skin was split . One of the sailors told him the flesh was broken , and he himself felt the blood trickling down . Jlis cruelty was constant . Once , when complainant was handing him some beans , a few dropped , and the mate struck him a blow on the nose which made the blood spurt out . At another time , complainant being unable to haul in the slack of the foretnp-sail clew line , the mate said . "There ' s a useless toad of ab—r ? lie

      can't do that yet ; " and rope ' s ended him over the shoulders till the left was very much swollen . A fter that he was sent to trim the lamps , which , owing to the pain from his arm , took him « ore than the usual time . The mate complained of this , and taking up amarlin-spike , punched him in the arms with the thick iron end of it . On another occasion , he belaboured complainant with the handle of the deck scrubbing brush , giving him three severe blows on the ribs . His side was very bad for along time afterwards , and he still felt pain if he breathed hard . The blows felled him , and he could scarcely crawl along the deck for a panikin he wanted to fetch . The mate seeing this , said , "Toub —; . TH make ycu move a little faster , " took him up in his arms , and then dashed him down upon the deck .

      Immediately after the mate sent me aloft togrease the masts . Afterwards , when I was dying the captain ' s gloves in the gallery , he came and kicked me on the shins with his boots . I felt my shins very sore at the time , but did not care much , being used to pain . T \ Tien I came off Margate channel . I looked at mv less , which were black and lived-like and much " swollen . The mate often kicked me before , I was hied overboard once or twice by the captain and mate . They used to heave me off the ladder into the sea . the vessel going half a knot an hem * at the time . When I came fo Stangate Creek my . legs were bandaged by the doctor , who took me out ot tue ship , and I am still obliged to have bandages upon them . The defendant was then bound , himself in £ 100 , and two sureties , in £ 59 each , to anawer the charge at tbe session ? ,

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      . JO THE MlSEES OF NORTHUMBERLAND ASD DOBHAM , —bellow men , —it Having come to our knowled"e , that certain agents from the county of Lancashire have been , or are at present , in this neighbourhood , eugn ing men for the collieries of Lancashire , this is to give notice , that the workmen of the undermentioned collieries are on strike , and it would be Ingratitude of the blackest live to go and supplant them under their present circumstances . The Lancashire miners have nol . ly and travel v Stood by , and supported the association , up ' to the present time , and they did more to support you during the late stoke , than all the other miners in this country thereforp , we beseech you , do not degrade vour * hitherto honourable b

      name y any EUch net as that of leaving vour homes lor die purpose of injuring such brave men , " but rather take advantage of the present great demand for miners in your own two counties , also all parts of the country ( the more especiall y Scotland ) , and make one unanimous effort to raise up , once more , the glor ious union , which alone can ensure to you good wages , constant employment , and kind treatment . We are faithfully yours , the Executive Council of the Miners ' ' Associate , Johk Hall , Maktin Jode , John STOKOE . » ttUAH Doro , lfiuui , WELSBT . -Newcnstlcupou Tyne , December 2 nd , 1845 . —P . S . —The following are thi > places on strike above referred to , viz ., Oldham . Shevington , Aspul , Duncan-park , Ashton , Wigan , Rochdale , and st . Helens , Lancashire .

      A Casl or Oppression . — Liverpool Trades . To working men , —Be on your guard against a system of oppression that should not be tolerated in this or any other country , that is at present being enacted in Liverpool . The facts of the case are these : —Several workmen were discharged from Vanxhall foundry without any fault being assigned as a reason . They then made application at Messrs . Bury , Curtis , and Kennedy's Clarence foundry , and were told that if they could procure clearances from Vauxhall they could have employment . They then returned to Vauxhall and procured clearances quite satisfactory at least to themselves . They then presented them at the Clarence foundry , and were told that a letter had , in the interim , been received from their former employers , stating that they were not to be employed , for ' what reason

      was not stated . . They wish it to be clearly understood that it is not against being discharged that they protett , bat against the persecution which followed them while endeavouring to gain work in another establishment . If such a system of tyranny be allowed to continue , without the public voice being raised against if , the position of the working classes will be a degradation to any country professing to be free . There is still one power which the working classes hare access to , the liberal press of this country , which is at all times ready to expose abuses , in whatever position the contending parties may be . Knowing this to be the case , they make this appeal to the sympathies of the public . They hope the employers alluded to will have the honesty to state their reasons , through the medium of the public press , for preventing them from getting employment .

      Bilstok Misebs , —At a meeting of the Miners'Victim Fund committee , held at Mr . J . Linney's , White Horse Inn , High-street , Bilston , on Sunday , December Hth , the accounts of the Law Fund were audited and found correct , the receipts being £ 51 9 s . 21 d ., and the disbursements £ 47 lGs . 5 d . Audited by John Ilamnor and George Ramsay . The Glasgow " Crimps . " —( From a Correspondent . ) On Saturday last a very important case was tried here , at the Justice of Peace Court , before Provost Bankier , of Carlton , and John Lang , tivo of her Majesty ' s justices for the shire of Lanark . The complaint was made by J . S . Fildes , of the Seaman's Guardian Society , against M . L . Flctt , of the firm ofBoyd , Flett , and Boyce , alias Devins , as will be seen from their transactions ' Smith , a seaman , went and shipped with these fellows , and

      signed articles of agreement for the Earl Dalhousie , Captain Primrose . One of the crimps went with Smith to get ' the notes cashed so as to get the feus , and met one of his partners at the public-house ; the sailor , Smith , refused to pay the high price demanded for exchanging , and was leaving , when one of the crimps told him to leave one of the two notes , as security for the fees . Smith told him , that the law did not allow him to pay fees . Boyee then told him that he would scratch out his name if he did not leave the notes . Smith then , through tear of losing the berth , gave up one of the notes . I called the day after , in company with Smith , as I was going in the same ship . I saw Smith pay some silver money , and when I signed articles I was compelled to pay

      two shillings , and five shillings more for whiskey , &e ., extorted from me by Flett and his eomrogues before he would give me my advance note . To those particulars I distinctly sn-ore before the justice , still they thought tlie case was not sufficiently proven , and threw the case out of court , each party to pay their own expences . The case ior the prosecution was conducted b y John Lang , jun ., Fiscal , Such is the way the crimps carry on , in defiance of all laws passed for the protection of seamen , but the fault is not with the crimps , so much as it rests with those who grant licences to such fellows to carry oh their wholesale plunder . As soon ns theeourt w < u over Mr . Fildes brought forward three more seamen , imposed on in a similar manner .

      United Trades' Association fok tee Employment ov LAIIOUR , &G , —MeSsl'S . llobson , Gimblett , and Storey , members of the board of directors , will attend the belowmentioned places , at seven o'clock every Sunday evening , for the purpose of receiving deposits on shares , registering the names of new shareholders , and communicating every requisite information as to the objects and plans of the association , viz .: —Mr . Robson ' will attend at the Bell Inn , Old Bailey ; Mr . Gimblett , at the lung ' s Arms , Upper Ebury-street , Pimlico ; and Mr . Storey , at the King and Qneen , Corner of Foley-place , Cleveland-street .

      Address of the Jodrseimen Boot and Shoe-Makers to the Inhabitants of Cuorley and its Vicinity . —There appeared in the Preston Chronicle newspaper , December 7 tli , 1815 , a statement respecting the journeymen boot and shoe makers of Chorley having sll'Uok against u' 61 'killg for Barton Smith , a master living in Market-street , Chorley , through a reduction of wages ; and the said Barton Smith , has been bold enough to contradict such statement in the same paper , of the 13 th of December—we now consider ourselves justifiable in thus addressing you , to shew you that he is not worthy to be believed : we have a statement of wages which the said Burton Smith signed in 1843 , after having the same in his possession several days , and making such alterations

      ashe thoughtproper , which was a reduction in some serts of work , which the journeymen submitted to . ' It was also signed by Thomas Magnall , William Hodgkinson , William Hotvarth , William Tootall , Archibald Briton , James Southwort , —the same is paid by ThomasEmmet , Robert Ilindle , Robert Thompson and others ; since Smith signed such statement , he has made several attempts so reduce the wages ; in one thing he succeeded , that was soling boots , 43 , per pair . We wish to know whether his customers have received the benefit of such reduction , or if lie has pocketed it to himself , he states : in tht newspaper , that he is paying the same wages that he has paid for nine years ; we wonder that he will acknowledge that lie has committed such a robbery , ( as it can be considered nothing else , ) on those whom he found submissive enough to allow it . He is a Tyrant ! and wishes to pay snsh wages as he thinks fit , but it will not do ; he has had the Audacity to say that he will stprve the men into compliance , but in that he will find himself . n a lamentable error . —Signed on behalf of the Trade , William Bland , Secretary , December 15 th , 1840 .

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      WEDNESDAT—AFTERNOON SITTING . Mr . O'Connor : We have affirmed a great many principles of the society—we have affirmed the enrolment—tue selection of occupants by ballot—and division of the country into districts . The next subject of importance was the mortgage or sale oi land . He said that the object of the society was to purchase land in the wholesale market , and sell it in the retail market , for the benefit of the working classes . The more labour you employ upon the land the greater the value of that land . Seeing the value of labour , that is the principle that should guide your consideration , as to the mortgage or sale of the land . Home property is not so valuable a security as a iee-farm rent . In the first place , we must

      commence With mortgage . I here are two descriptions of mortgage—you purchase an estate and pay so much down , leaving the remaining portion on mortgage ; in the second , } - ou purchase an estate and sell it immediately . Quit and crown rents arc sold at forty years purchase . By tiie application of labour you raise a thing of £ 5 a-year to the value ot' £ S a-year ; a principle should be affirmed , that it should bo left to the discretion of the directors whether the property bought should he sold or mortgaged in the first instance . He then moved the following : — Resolved , " That the trustees and directory shall nave the power to raise money upon the property of the association by loan , mortgage , or sale , for the purpose of carrying out the objects of the society . "

      Mr . Vallanee : The shareholders of Bamslcy had instructed him to suggest that the estate should be mortgaged instead of sale . Increase the value , of land from the application of labour . If , in the case of the land being offered for sale at the expiration of the third or fourth year , is there not an inducement to the holders to exercise frugality , and very likely save sufficient to purchase their own allotments . These being his ideas upon the subject , he was £ ecidedly iH favour of mortgage , and concluded by seconding the resolution . Mr . Cuffay supported the motion . Mr . G . W . Wheeler stated that he was instructed to support the system of mortgage instead of sale , and that some of his constituents were ready to advance £ 800 by way of mortgage .

      Mr . O'Connor stated that he had a promise of a loan fund to the extent of £ 20 , 000 , as soon as the rules of the society were enrolled . There was no difference between loan and mortgage . Mr . Knight supported the motion . The resolution was carried unanimously . Mr . Hobson stated that ho was aware that it was the intention of some parties to introduce a loan fund in connection with the society , and would , therefore move , " That in theop inion ; of this conference , it will greatly cooduce to the security of the society

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      if all advances of money out of the capital of the ? pP ™ - , * 9 .. tae occupant , to enable him to occupy , shonld i bel considered : a loan-bearing interest , ior which each borrower shall give security . " .. ... . ,. „ Mr . 0 Connor : Iu this case we must not only afiirin a principle , but we must also show our ability to carry it out . If we are able to pay back the money , it is an act of justice ; but if not able to return the money it is an act of injustice . By the operation of co-operatios , the society will be enabled- to give to every member £ 70 worth of property for the rent oi £ 5 a-year . I propose , for the protection of the members , ior the honour of the society , —I propose that the sum of £ 15 , proposed to be given to each shareholder , should remain as a lien upon the property . Under these circumstances , he most cordially seconded the motion . Did not . anticipate that the sum would be limited to £ 15 .

      Mr . M . W . Wheeler objected to the money advanced bearing interest , as , in that case , the occupants would have to pay interest and rent . Mr . Leech ; This branch of the subject is of vital importance to the stability of the society . He should propose , that the directors should retain the sum to be advanced to the shareholders in their hands , and lay it out for them . He was against all advances to the shareholders . This question had been discussed in Manchester for nearly two months , and unanimously adopted . It becomes the duty of the directors to look to the stability and security of the society . The profits arising to the shareholder from the employment of agricultural labourers is immense . The location of members totally unacquainted with agriculture would be disastrous to the society . It is a very dangerous precedent to deposit money in the hands ef any person who may choose to take a share ; for if every person that chose to pay his money could

      obtain £ 15 or £ 20 , by paying £ 2 10 s , the society would soon be inundated with the lowest class of persons , and every prig in Manchester would then have a share . He then moved— " That for the better security of the members of this association , to prevent , as far as possible , the chance of failure , and , at the same time , inspire that confidence amongst the shareholders so essential to the success of the Land Association , the directors be empowered to employ labour in cultivating the land and putting in the crop , during the time that the house , and other necessary offices , are being erecting ; the purchase of seed , implements of husbandry , &

      Mr . O'Connor would rather pay £ 20 an acre for laud that had not been broken up for twenty years , than £ 20 per acre for land that had been broken tip for twenty year 3 . Grass land is the best land . It the resolution was made inviting , instead of compulsory , he would support it . Mr . Leach : There is * nothing compulsory in the resolution ; but if there was , it was no more so than the other resolutions of the society ; as they are made as stringent as possible for the purpose of being obeyed . Those who are the most ignorant of agricultural pursuits are the most ) anxious to go upon the land . Mr . O'Connor : When the land is bought , the cottage will be built before the occupation of the land by the members . Mr . Clark : Upon the success of the first allotment mainly depends the success of the plan . The directors oujrht to have the power of deducting from the sale of . the first crop the money that may be expended in the production .

      Mr . CI . W . Wheeler was surprised to hear Mr . Clark state that the sum mentioned in the rules could not be given to the shareholders . There had not been any assertion , of the sort , for the directors woald be able to give it . Mr . O'Connor : The directors are bound to give the money , but not to give it to the disadvantage of the society . lie never contemplated that the money would ever be returned . If any _ man had entered tho society in the mere presumption that he was to have £ 15 , and then not to contribute towards the location ofhis poorer brethren , he would be mistaken . Mr . Vallanee : The question is whether the £ 15 ia to be given or lent . His opinion was that the amount ought to be given and not to be charged with interest . There was no better manure applicable to land than that furnished by a pair of arms with a spade at the end of them . lie was an advocate for the money to be given , and not to be charged with interest .

      Mr . Wheeler : There would be more trouble in keeping the accounts relative to the interest , besides the difficulty of collecting the amount , should the character of this society be lost by refusing to comply with the proposals contained in their present rules . Mr . G ; W . Wheeler : One of the grand inducements held out to persons to become members iias been the fact of g iving the shareholders the £ 10 10 s . 8 d . The cose of seed , in various instances , arc not , as has been stated , £ 15 ; in one case a man who cultivated two and a-half acres was £ 1 7 s ., and in another £ 1 2 s . 9 d . Mi . O'Connor . was against placing the money in the hands of any of the parties , but in favour of charging them with interest , let it be ever so small . Mr . Poole : The reason why he should support the motion before the house was , that every member would have a security that they would , one time or tiie other , be located .

      Mr . Taylor : In the districts with which he was acquainted , they had , during the last winter , turned over with the spade two acres of land , and the sum paid for wages amounted to upwards of £ 12 . Mr . T . M . Wheeler : ¦ If tlio sum of £ 1510 s . 8 d . were to be a loan , bearing interest , the society ought not to charge more than £± a-year for fcho rent of the cottage . The loan fund proposed to be established was lor the purpose of making up the deficiency between the sum advanced on mortgage and the sum that would be obtained tor the estate in the retail market . When you charge him with interest on the £ 1516 s . 8 d . advanced , in the shape of rent , you propose now to charge him an additional interest for his advance of money .

      Mr . M'Grath : There can be no mistake that the great responsibility vests upon the shoulders of Mr . O'Connor ; for while tho directors might escape , should there be a failure of the society , its failure would crush him . The value of the interest is not worth the expense of collection . In all cases of mortgage the value of the thing sought to be mortgaged was taken into consideration , lie had no doubt that the society could get the money . Mr . Sannders moved a further amendment , but the hour of adjournment having arrived , the discussion was adjourned till the next morning . The conference adjourned .

      THURSDAY SITTINGS . Mi \ Shcrrington in the chair . The Roll having been called , and the minutes of the proceedings of Wednesday being read , it was moved by Mr . Doyle , and seconded by Mr . Yates , that they be confirmed , which was carried unanimously . Mr . Cuftay moved that tho standing orders be resumed . Mr . Knight seconded the motion . On a division there appeared for the motion five against five . The chairman decided in favour of the motion .

      The following resolutions were proposed just at the close of the proceedings of yesterday , the discussion upon which was adjourned till the morning : — It was moved by Mr . O'Connor , " That each shareholder , upon being appointed to his allotment , shall be liable to 2 i per cent , interest upon all moneys advanced by the directors , and that the payment of such interest shall continue until the last draft of the first section of shareholders shall be located , and then , and not till then , the payment of such interest to cease , and the occupant be discharged from payment of further interest . " Of course , this applied to

      the £ 15 , for which , by this' arrangement , the occupant who received it would pay 5 s . a year until the last was located . This was to preserve the link of brotherhood , and then the account would stand thus : —The occupants who were located the first year would pay 5 s . a year for four years , that is £ . 1 ; the occupants who were located the second year would pay for three years , or 15 s . ; those of the third year for two years , or 10 s . ; and the poor who were located last would receive the £ 15 , discharged of all interest , and then interest would not only cease altogether , but he trusted that the socjety would be in a situation to give every man his allotment for

      JiVKR FOE NOTHING . Mr . Poole seconded tlic resolution . Mr Saunders moved , and Mr Taylor seconded : — " That , iis . the allotments are made , and cottages are built thereon , the trustees and board of directors shall fix the amount of rent to be paid by the occupiers , such holders shall receive a loan from this society ( say £ 15 10 s . Sd . for one share , £ 31 13 s . 4 d . for two shares ) which shall be repaid to the trustees for the use of this society , and such occupier to pay £ 3 per cent , per annum , until such loan be repaid , and the trustees shall withhold all title deeds , or have some other security for such loan until it is repaid , but such occupier shall be allowed to repay it to the trustees by instalments , and his interest to be reduced accordingly . "

      Mr . Doyle :- The very idea of interest is so repugnant to the feelings of the great body of shareholders , that he should be afraid to attend a public meeting after the conference had decided in favour of charging interest—it would be much better to make a direct charge . Mr . Cuffay : It was his wish to have the society conducted so as to get the members located as soon as posssble . If the conference laid down good rules , what temptations it would hold out to persons to join , and concluded by moving the following resolution : — " That each shareholder shall receive two acres of land , a cottage , and £ 15 16 s . 8 d ., foi > which the minimum rent shall be £ 5 10 s . per year , until each shareholder of the division to which he belongs shall be located ; when that is the case his rent shall be reduced to £ 5 per annum "

      Mr . Knight seconded the resolution . The shareholders have been induced to become members from the fact of the bonus offered by the directors . The p roposition of Mr , Leach , no doubt , will be received

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      throughout the whole country , but still he considered that it was better to charge on extra rent instead of interest . .. Mr . O'Connor : Every person has argued the questioii as though it was a loan that was to be paid back —it is no such thing—it never was expected that it would be paid back . We are not doing an injury to any person . The Society proposes to lay down a sum at which they can start and carry out their purpose withoutany danger . Ho would rather give £ 15 an acre foreood land than five shillings an acre with a

      cottage for poor land . Good land requires less labour . The poorer the ground the more seed is required to cultivate it . A great many of the shareholders will not require an advance ; and they won't be damaged , for when the profits of the society are divided , they who have had no advance will get their £ 15 then . Mr . O'Connor thought it very likely that some persons would require £ 20 , some £ 25 , or some even more , as the society was paternal and not usurious , and God forbid that the loss of a cow or two should be the means of destroying one of its children . Of these matters the directors must be sole judges .

      Mr . Vallanee : Mr . Leach s motion was endeavouring to throw a covering over the words , Joan or gift . Yet Mr . Loach's resolution states , that all shareholders should be subject to the interestof the advance , whereas it has been argued , that there arc many persons who would not require it . Mr . Saunder's resolution , however , does state the amount of the loan and the rate of . interest to be charged . Any person who may have received any loan from the society should be compelled to pay it back at the last location—supposing a man had . received £ 20 . and on the settlement of i he afiairs of the society there appeared only £ 10 due to him , he should then be considered as a debtor to the society , and compellable to pay the difference to enable the directors to keep faith with the other shareholders .

      Mr . O'Connor moved , and Mr . Dixon seconded that the standing orders be suspended .: Carried unanimously . - . . .. .. Mr . Dlxon : There is already an interest charged for the « £ 15 16 s . 8 d . in the shape of rent . Now if a person does not take the money , would he be charged with interest . Mr . Taylor : The proposed sum is not tho property of the society . If the plan or bonus be . adopted you have no claim upon the party borrowing the money . ____ . . . . .

      Mr . Leach : The amount is not a lean , but a gift , as you hold out these inducements to persons to become members—two acres of land—a cottage—and £ 15 in money . Those parties who do not require an advance will not be injured—while . those who do require it will be very much benefited . Mr . G-. W . Wheeler stated that it was necessary that the directors should have some security for the money advanced . His resolution proposed that the money should not be advanced at once , but spread over a distance of time .

      The resolution , however , fell to , the ground for want of a seconder . Mr . M'Grath : Whenever you depart from a principle you get into error . In this case the advance must be regarded as a right , the individual has as much ; right to receive the money as he has to receive the land and cottage . Deeidedly in favour * of fixing a definite sum . Mr . Clark : There is already an interest charged in the rent . There is no doubt , that it is an admitted right that the parties should receive the amount promised , The feelings of themembers decidedly would be in favour of paying , any extra sum , provided they were guaranteed that they should be repaid at the time when all the parties were located . ¦ Mr . Smith : There can be no right—as themembers cannot have a right till all the . members arc

      located—the advance must , therefore , be considered as a loan—as there cannot be a right tilHhere is a surplus , the shareholders can only have a right in the surplus . Mr . O'Connor , in answer to a question from Mr . Taylor as to whether the directors had any claim after accepting the bonus of 5 s . or 10 s . over the £ 15 , stated that he did not take one step without consulting counsel . He was not going to be a party to any resolution that would cut the throat of the society . The ' rules must , not be repugnant to law , neither must they be repugnant to equity . He was providing against any contingencies , and considered that the minimum proposed wns the best security that would be proposed . . There can be no doubt of the success of the plan , and instead of the money to be divided at the termination of the society , amougst the members , it is more likely to bo over than under £ u 0 .

      Mr . Hobson asked permission to withdraw his motion iu favour of that proposed by Mr . Saunders , which was granted . Mr . Leach moved and Mr . Doylesccoudcd , the followin : resolution , which was carried , "That each shareholder , after being located upon his allotment , shall pay to the society the sum of 5 s . per share as a bonus tor the bcucfit * such member h » a received from the society each year , until the whole of the members of the section to which such member belongs shall have been located upon the land , whence all further demands upon such member shall cease , and then all profits and benefits arising from the property or' the society to be equitably divided amongst all the shareholders of the society as soon as the directors and trustees ahull be able to dispose of the same to tlic best advantage . On a division there appeared—For Mr . Cuffay 1

      " Mr . Leach U " Mr . Saunders i Mr . Leach moved the resumption of the consideration of the proposition , made to the conference yesterday , of allowing the directors io employ agricultural labourers for the purpose of preparing the ground . Mr . O'Connor : This is not only a proper , but a useful proposition . The man takes possession of his cottage as soon as completed—this will enable the directors either to sell or morgage the land , ifcc , to great advantage . If this proposition is not adopted , you will have no labour upon the land until the

      cottage is built . He had no objection to become stu ward . It must be evident to every man that the occupant cannot live in his cottage until it is built , and therefore when the foundation stone is laid , the labour of cultivation is at once undertaken , and when the cottage is ready for his reception , every man finds' his allotment in an improved condition , at a less cost than he could have brought it to that condition for , and thus both works are going on together , while , as a matter of course , the directors will allow every occupant who thinks proper , to undertake the labour himself at once .

      Mr . Knight said , nad not this motion been brought forward , he should have been compelled to employ a person to cultivate his land when he obtained it , and he was perfectly well aware that his voting for it would satisfy his constituents , who were generally mechanics of various trades . The motion was carried unanimously . Mr . Dixon was instructed to advocate the principle of no person holding more than two acres , and concluded by moving the following resolution : — "That the rule as to shares be as they are now , namely , two acres ; at the same time any person may be allowed to hold as many shares as they think proper ; but , in no ease , to have more than two shares , or four acres , in one allotment . " Mr . O'Connor was decidedly against any person holding more than four acres . The conference must decide as to tho manner in which the person holding two shaves shall be located .

      Mr . Clark : There can be no difficulty m settling this question . There is no _ provision in the present rules as to the way in which those parties holding two shares are to ballot for their prize . Mr . Hobson : The best plan to be adopted is that when the land is purchased , the number of shareholders , distinguishing the double shareholders from those holding one , and then divide the land into _ so many farms as to provide for those holding . four acres and those holding two . If yeu . allow a person to hold more than he can occupy you introduce the subletting system . Mr . Cuffay would oppose any motion enabling

      any shareholders from holding more than four acres . Mr . Knight : The plan was instituted for the erecting of an independant class of farmers . The shareholders of Lambeth , are decidedly in favour of not allowing any shareholder to hold more than four shares . The proposition opens a wide field for creating an aristocracy of fanners , and enables persons to take shares for the express purpose of getting the control of the society . Mr . Shorrington : It never was contemplated by the Scotch members , that any neison should hold more than four acres . The rent is not fixed to any individual to whom the farms may be sublet , though the rent is fixed as between the society and the oriffinal sharnhnhW .

      Mr . 0 Connor : The object of a man holding more than two acres is , that he looks to the land to secure his rate of interest as the best security for the advance of capital . There is no difficulty in preventing a member from sub-letting . There are always clauses introduced into leases providing for the forfeiture of the lease , if certain conditions are not performed or are violated . It is to be hoped that very stringent clauses will be introduced into the leases . Mr . Taylor asked whether a provision could be made in the leases to prevent persons from holding more than four acres from subletting .

      Mr . Hobson : What advantage can be derived from keeping open the question of how many shares a member may hold . It should be confined to the case where a man may require either one sha ve ov two shares . You cannot prevent premiums being given , notwithstanding all the stringent clauses that may be introduced ; and , allowing shareholders to hold more than four acres , would introduce the principle of sub-letting . Mr . O'Connor : With regard to premiums Mr . Hobson seems to forget that there is such a power as coercive law . If a man takes a premium he has violated the lease , and it becomes forfeited . Many persons with money would , no doubt , come into the society , and make loans merely on the idea oi guaranteeing the interest upon their money . He wonld rather see the question confined to the fact , that no person should be allowed to hold more than two shares . You will recollect that you are not to legislate for

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      lawyere , but for parties who have a great aversion to ^ ClarTSed he had received instruction from of money by way of loan-had no . «« « Jl » j {? coming into the society and breaking it . up-but ^ at the same time they ought to have the privilege ot receiving : interest for the capital advanced . . ¦ Mr . Wheeler : You cannot guard against a man holding as many shares as he pleases . Adjourned . . ., ¦

      AFTERNOON SITTING . M « . Dixon , in resuming the debate , said that he understood the present object of this society was to break down the system of large farms . There are a great many persons who would willing ly give £ 10 a year for two acres of ground and a cottage . He concluded by reading his resolution a 9 altered : " That the rule as to allotments should be as follows —namely , two acres , three acres , and four acres ; at the same time , any person may be allowed to hoi das many shares as they think proper , but in no case to occupy more than four acres . "

      Mr . Vallanee : Is the question of the size and the number of shaves to be considered together ? In favour of dividing the shares into two , three , and four acres , theprce of a two-acre shave to be £ 2 10 s ., a three-acre share to be £ 3 15 s ., and the price of a four-acre share to be £ 5 , but in no case shall the size of the allotments be for more than four acres . Great numbers of persons who are shareholders wish the first allotment to be strictly confined to two acres . The respective classes to be " balloted for at separate times . He most cordially seconded the resolution . Mr . Poole supported the motion . Mr . Wheeler : We are all determined that no shareholder shall occupy more than four acres , but will you confine a shareholder to the number of shares that lie shall hold ? Would you object to any man subscribing for as many shares , and disposing of them either by gift or otherwise , as he may think

      proper . Mr . Canning , Mr . Gilbertson , and Mr . SaunderS supported the resolution . Mr . Shaw : Mr . Cuffay ' s and Mr . Dixon ' s motions are two separate and distinct questions . His instructions would justify him in voting for Mr . Cuffay ' s amendment , while on the other hand Mr . Dixon says that a shareholder may purchase as many shares as he pleases , but not be allowed to occupy more thanfour acres . Every man has a right to just as much land as he can cultivate . He should support the motion of Mr . Cuftay Mr . Dixon would withdraw his motion by permission of the conference , which was agreed to . Mr . Cuffay ' s motion was then carried unanimously .

      Mr . Clark : The next question that will come under consideration is the question of the ballot . He would , therefore , submit a resolution for the conference , but should any other person propose a more el igible plan , he should consider himself at liberty to withdraw his own . proposition , and support that which he censidercd more applicable to the case . Mr . O'Connor : The value of land in Lancashire is not so dear as might have been supposed , as parties prefer letting land lie waste , becanse the proprietors can make more interest of their money from labour . Near Cheshire there is a quantity of land to be sold which would cost about £ 20 an acre . You can't go into the market and say tliat you will buy a certain quantity ot land of tabular value—you can't buy

      land of the same complexion . I contend that you must buy your land before you' ballot for occupants . Mr . T . M . Wheeler detailed his view of the manner in which the ballot for occupation was to be made , and Mr . Clark agreed to withdraw his resolution , and second that of Mr . \ Yheeler ; Mr . Wheeler then moved , " That the members resident in shall elect ten persons , not being paid-up shareholders , in conjunction with the directors , to superintend the allotment in the following manner : —The committee shall examine the secretary ' s book , and place in a vessel the name of each person who has paid up his share , or shares . They shall then place in a similar vessel a determined number of prizes , each prize representing one acre , with blanks to make them equal to the number of paid-up members . Two disinterested parties shall then draw the names , and the prizes and blanks shall be apportioned as

      follows-. —The holder of one share , if he draw a prize , shall have two acres ; if one share and a half , three acres ; if two shares , four acres ; until the whole of the number of prizes or acres are drawn . " Mr . Hobson : The arrangement proposed by Mr . Wheeler will clog the exertions of the society . Equality of benefit ought to be the object of the society . In some instances you would have to give one man more , and another less , than his quantity of land . The allotment * * - , when made , should be numbered . He then moved the following resolution : — " That when a purchase is made , the directors shall divide the same into allotments of , say two , three , and four acres , in proportion to the number of each class then entitled to occupy ; and the ballot for such respective allotments shall be taken separately among the respective classes . " Mr . Vallanee seconded the resolution .

      Mr . Doyle : Unless you classify ^ the different classes of shareholders you will cause great dissatisfaction amongst the great majority of the members . By classification you get rid of all angry feelings . Mr . Clark * would withdraw , if permitted , liis support of Mr . Wheeler ' s motion , and support that of Mr . Hobson . Mr . Wheeler did not wish to press his motion to a division , but merely that it should stand as his opinion upon the subject of the ballot . The motion of Messrs . Hobson and Vallanee was then carried unanimously .

      Mr . Clark : 'Die next business to come before ihc conference is that of the transfer of shares . Without going into detail , he would move the following resolution , — " That in the event of members residing in districts Nos . 2 , 3 , i , or 5 , and winning a prize in the ballot for the location in district No . 1 , and not wishing to take possession of such allotment , they shall have the privilege of giving up such allotment to be balloted for amongst the members in the district where the location may be situated , and who have paid up their shares , and who were unsuccessful in the first ballot . " Mr . Poolo seconded the motion .

      The Chairman : The difficulty is very near at hand , and coming nearer to the principle advocated by Mr . Hobson . There may be a good many of the English people who would not go to Scotland ; and if the ballot was to be then open for the whole shareholders you might go on ad libitum before you obtained parties who would locate in the Scottish districts . Mr , T , M , Wheeler was most decidedly against the proposition of Mr . Clark , lie then entered into a detail of his plan for the transfer of shares . The plan was most unjust , and attended with the most mischievous consequences to the shareholders . Mr . Clark explained that when a party who had drawn a prize , and should not like to locate in the district where thu land was purchased , that then tn . 3 prize should be balloted for among the other shareholders in thn district .

      Mr . O'Connor : The object should have been to divide the country into as many _ districts as there was a possibility , instead of limiting the division , which had been done by the resolution already come to . The object of the society was to realise as many practical results of the plan as possible . Mr . Clark , in giving explanation , had mis-stated what he rose to explain . By not divulging the place where the locations are to be , you give an impetus to the shareholders in paying up their shares , which , if it was known where the location was to be made , the shaiv - holders in that district would lose no time in pnyirg up their shares . Mr . Vallanee would lay before the conference his ideas upon the subject . The Chairman supported the resoluilon of Mr . Vallanee .

      Mr . Shaw would support the motion of Mr . Vallanee . The fact is , that if the land is purchased in Manchester , and a shareholder lives in Leeds , he ought to have the opportunity of relinquishing his prize by giving notice to the secretary that he does not require to be located at present ; and that then , he should be balloted for again , when the land might be purchased near this own home , Mr . O'Connor strongly supported the views of Mr , Wheeler , as the only plan that was likely to give satisfaction to themembers , namely , to go on through the list till you met with persons who would go on the hind purchased . The Chairman said , Mr . Clark ' s system was a bungling proposition . The plan of Mr . Vallanee was the most just . Under either of the propositions you will find , that you might have forty ballots before you obtained the requisite number of shareholders .

      Mr . Hobson : What was the main reason which caused tlio proposition made by him to be rejected ? why , that you ought to give the chance to all the shareholders to come in in the first allotment . If there should be two ballots , justice gays , that the second ballot should take place between those who participated in the first . But what Mr . Clark proposes now , is to give the man a chance of refusinga chance of giving his lot to another person who did not draw a prize . Why should that be allowed ? The most judicious plan would be , to ballot from the whole of the shareholders . Mr . Vallancc ' s resohition does recognise the principle of equality . Mr . Leach could see so much of simplicitv in the views of Mr . Wheeler , that he cannot understand what objection there could be to it . Mr . Clark's plan allows a man who refuses to go at one ballot to take precedence in a second ballot .

      Mr . O Connor moved , that when a ballot takes place for occupation , that all the paid up members shall be elegible to ballot and that the whole number shall be drawn , and according to priority shall b& located , and in case of any member who has been elected shall object to occupy that , then the list shall proceed , those standing next in rotation having the next preference and so on till the members be filled up . Mr . T . M . Wheeler seconded the resolution , jyhich was carried unanimously . ' £ T : C' > ' ** : ' t - * . % puffer Mr . Smith moved , and Mr . ClaT ^ 3 Kc 6 Hdetf , -t 1 i-a ¦• - "' , * motion for laying the accounts o $ n&f 6 (> fetyi before ^ >'• the conference on Friday mwaM ^ . * O * - , 3 ?" vfe 7 ' \ Adjourned . ^ l ^^ h ' M'Wr }" v ^ % i ^ 's . - ^ -r- ! 7 fV i / H ^ ii ^ H- ' '" : ¦ - - ? H :., ! ^ V ^;^ .: r-: v- /^ "^' llti'i ^'

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    • Northern Star (1837-1852), Dec. 20, 1845, page 5, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct1346/page/5/