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      f HOUSE 01- COMMONS , Fridat , Afro . 11 . A vast mm -bur of petitions wete presented , chieflv «« instthe Government measure respecting the College Of Maynooth . One of these , presented by Mr . Ferrand fcojn the Protestant Operative Association of Dublin , praying for the impeachment of Sir B . Feel , was received With immoderate hursts of laughter . Sir It . PEELprcscute&apetitionfrom theEemonstrant Synod of Ulster , approving of the project respecting May . nooth , and praying that it might be passed into law as speedy as possible . The Right non . Baronet then moved the second reading of the Maj-nooth College BilL Mr . Colquhods objected to the second reading , contending d :: U itwasanendowment ofacollegeforaiepropagation of trK ' or .

      Mr . toocAH took a similar view of the question , contending that it was a concession to the agitation of the Conciliation HaH . He protested against the grant , be cause it was made in aid of a Church -which he deemed to be a corrupt one . The Protestant mind in Ireland was in a state of great dismay in consequence ofthispropoalioiLandon thepartofMs constituents he protested against the second reading of the bill , and would give his determined opposition to it in all its future stages . Mr . Glamtoxe , in a very able address , supported the proposition of the Government . He was not responsible for the measure , but he felt its vast importance , and perceiving the feeling of the country to be decidedly in its favour , and likewise believing that giving a better education to the Catholic priesthood must have a beneficial eficct on the Catholic community , he would give his vote

      in favour of the motion . It might be said that this was a concession to agitation , but he saw little in the argument , for it was the fate of almost all great measures to be received in a spirit not consonant with that in which they were conceded . Lord Arundel supported the measure . Jtr . B'Jssaem observed , that in listening to the speech of Mr . Gladstone he had wondered in his own mind what had led Sir . Gladstone to pass below the gangway to deliberate oil this measure . He had next wondered why Mr . Gladstone had crossed the house to deliberate upon the p rinciples of It , and had pursued the course which he had foBowsd whilst in opposition . Mr . Gladstone had explained the reason by stating that the principle on which

      the connexion of Church and State rested was worn out , and that her Majesty ' s Government had just discovered that to be the fact . But if such , were the case , had there been iso public men in that house who had previously advocated the neir principle now propounded by Mr . Gladstone ? Sid not the members of the late Administration discover it , aud had not opposition to it been considered as the foundation of the Conservative theory . It had been said , "You have endowed the Anglican Church , why will you not endow theRoman Catholic Church ? " Butthatwas an evasion of the question ; for the real question was , " 3 > id we endow the Anglican Church ? " He for one denied it ; and unless that position was proved , the whole foundation for this measure was cut away from under it Sir Robert Peel lad stated that there -were three courses

      open to the . house . He had never inonn Sir Robert hring forwards great measure without making the same statement ; and he was right in making it . There was the coarse which he had left ) the coarse which he was following , and the course he ought to pursue . There was also a fourth course ; for the house might adopt that which Sir Robert recommended , and then , having adopted , might rescind it ; and that was a course wliich he hoped that Sir Eohert would not forget on a future occasion . Ou the present he had come forward with a great measure and a small precedent . He had braced the jirogress of the steam-engine back to the teakettle . He ( Mr . Disraeli ) had hitherto looked up to Mr . Gladstone as the abstraction of chivalry , as the Paladin of

      principle , and had never expected that he would come forward and try this great change of principle by a change of circumstances . He was not certain that the Church of England had received additional strength from its union with the State ; but if the State would leave the Church to itself , it would not shrink from the perform ance of its duties . He was convinced that the Protestants of the Church of JJngland in Ireland , if they were asked , " Will you sever the connexion now existing between your Church and the State , or will you consent to the endowment of the Boman Catholic Church by the State , " would teplS- " Sever the connection between our Church and the State , but do not force upon us an endowment tot the Boman Catholic Church . He denied that

      in England the Church bad ever been the creature of the State ; and -would oppose the bill , not only on principle but on account of the manner in which , and of tho men by whom , it was brought forward . When he remembered the appropriation clause , he thought it perfectly monstrous that because Ministers had been enabled to cross the house by opposing it , they should now feel themselves at liberty to say , "Forget us , and look at our measure . " Had this bill been brought forward by Lord J . Russell and Ms colleagues , it -would have been checked "by tk ;> operation of a constitutional Opposition . At the present moment such an Opposition did not exist ; and they had a Government carrying this measure by an organisation which was framed for the express purpose of opposing it . Some years ago they had been

      accustomed to toast with three times three , and with nine times nine , the independence of the House of Lords . But Conservatism and a Conservative dictator had reduced the independence of the House of Lords to comparative insignificance . AYeuld tlic Douse of Commons consent to be reduced to the same miserable condition ? The House of Lords had been drilled into a guardroom ; would the House of Commons permit itself to be degraded into a vestry f If they did not show something of a mutinous or a rebellious spirit against the dictation of the Treasury bench , the house would have this bill—ay , and the more important bill for the endowment of the Eonian Catholic clergy , of which Mr . Gladstone had that evening given notice , carried triumphantly , almost without a struggle , and wouldfindthe

      lobbies of the House of Lords filled with crowds of their aasioas and disappointed constituents . He was certain thai there was no people -which could resist a " cross " so deeply laid and so astutely accomplished . " He reminded the li-oasc that this till was introduced instead of an Irish Registration BiU , aftcr hon . members had been accustomed for four years to the lowering of their tones and to working -without a constitutional Opposition . In that time what treatment had they not received , what indignities had they not snstained . nn . til at length their very murmurs were not listened toi They were at last arrived at a crisis in which they must decide this measure , sot upon its own-merits , but uponthe merits of the men who had brought itinto Parliament . It had been said that &ls was a liberal boon to the Boman Catholic clergy « f Ireland . It was not so . It was a paltry , meagre , miserable gift , unworthy of us to give , and of them to accept . It was a question whether the Boman Catholic students of fr . tolosy should have £ 23 or £ 28 a year , and whether

      they should sleep three , or only two , in a bed . But even if it Lad been a princely gift , it -was not from the polluted hand of him whose bleak shade had arrested the boon of Catholic emancipation for twentyfivO years , that the Roman Catholics of Ireland ought to receive it . As to the Whigs , he despaired of making any appeal with success to their hereditary convictions , Otherwise he should have thought that LordJ . Russell , frith bis hi g h character , and still higher aspirations , ¦ would have been tired erenow of being dragged at the wheels of the triumphal car of a conqueror who had not conquered him in fair fight . Enough had transpired of late to convince the most incredulous statesman that cunning -was not caution , and that habitual perfidy was not high policy of state . On that ground he sought to ¦ bring back to the house the salutary check of a constitutional Opposition j and it could only be done by putting an epd to the dynasty of deception and to the prevailing system of Parliamentary imposture .

      3 Ir . Eoebuck -viewed the question as one of great national importance , and was much surprised at the introduction into the discussion of petty personalities He conld not congratulate Mr- D'lsradi on his speech , for it contained no characteristic calculated to bear away ite open malice . These were miserable displays to be witnessed in that bouse upon a subject which interested the feelings of the whole nation . Without further reference to these personalities , he would state at once that he would support the measure proposed by flie Government . The honourable and learned gentleman then entered at considerable length into the reasons which induced him to come to that conclusion , contending that this was the first great step in the way of conciliation , and he hoped it would have its weight with the leaders of the Irish people , and induce them to refrain from working on the feelings of their excitable countrymen , from motives of personal ambition .

      Lord Noithland said it pained him to oppose the Go-- Tdromentof her Majesty , but he could not support the present proposition . . " < < Mr . W . Beiesfoed moved the adjournment of the debate until Monday , which was immediately agreed to . . JIOUSE OF COMMONS , Monday , Apbtx , 14 . A i ** eai nUik&er of petitions were presented against the , grautWMaynooth . , t ; " ' J-r . ' P&i&HDg&ve notice that on the third reading of the tfajnobtlv Grant Bill , he would move an amendment , deduring ' tbittiie Charitable Bequests Act was ' a Violat ion .,. ' dftric Act of Settlement , and a contravention of the oath ^ -J . ; $$ ! $$%% y 5 and that fiie Maynooth College Bill is cat ,,.. V * Ciliated to ' encourage and spread a religion opposed to the " ~ ' ^ KitotltefermMreligionestabKshedbvbiw . :

      • - /¦ - . '} $ *• £ Ctaw&wl gave notice that he would-. movean ' = S 7 L " ggenfinea ^ doptenHatory of the principle of religious ^^*^ hH ^ t « fcr « jyM « r * h atever . ' - £ o ; ~ ' 3 J& adjourned debate wss-fhen resumed by / i , .. su aj ^ v ^^' ^ o n ^ OTted tlie grant to Maynooth aB a ¦** && $ ' oi&ibfeft'tofttaiotetbe spread of education in « w *» f'l » aVtte tipeet"of thebm before the house was eome **» tehiui gedbj the arguments of its mMtstrenu-OT » supporters , and also by those of Mr . Gladstone , all waning toiafcintaence tihat the present was but the pre cursor of uHerlormeasures . He would not oppose the second reading of the bill , but would support Mr . Ward ' s

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      amendment iu committee , and would also propose otliev amendments with a similar object , that of endowing the Roman Catholic religion with a portion of the property of the Frotestaut Establishment . . Sir T . Feehaxtle said that when he reflected they were dealing with seven millions of people of the Catholic religion , he could not imagine that the bill gave either encouragement or the contrary to Boman Catholicism . The principle of the grant had been conceded in 1795 , and had been acted upon ever since , and its increase was a matter of justice and expediency , considering the increase of the ' population in Ireland , their poverty , and the implied conditions of the union . The bill was an earnest of the kind and the liberal spirit in which the present Government were prepared to govern Ireland , seeking its tranquillity and the security of property by winning the confidence of the people .

      Mr . F . Macle opposed the bill , because it went to change a mere annual grant into a permanent one—thus endowing a religious establishment , over which they had not the slightest control , and recognising a principle precisely the reverse of that upon which they had acted with respect to the Free Church of Scotland . It was hopeloss to expect that this bill would put an end to agitation , or that tb . es would stop short , should it once become law , o ? the entire endowment of the Roman Catholic Church . Lord Casiieeeagh thought that this bill went to remove a cause of annual contention , which had now existed for nearly fifty years , and would therefore be received , he believed , by his Catholic fellow-countrymen with good feeling aud good will . He hoped that Sir R . Peel would persevere in the course he was pursuing , undismayed by either the combination or defection of parties .

      The O'Conoe Doit , as a Roman Catholic member , was willing to receive the measure as liberal in spirit and effective for its purposes . The Catholics of Ireland could not consent to the connection of their Church with tbe State ; but they could not refuse a grant placing Maynooth on a respectable footing , worthy of the eminent men who resided in it , and of the education they bestowed . Mr . Lzfboy contended that tbe bill was & violation of the Protestant character of our constitution , and would , therefore , oppose it . . Col . T . Wood ( Middlesex ) regarded the bill as a measure of justice to Ireland , and thought it involved in common honesty other measures , such as the endowment of the Catholic Church , in order to pacify Ireland and cement its union with this country . He was aware that he differed with many of his constituents iu this opinion , but , violating no pledge and forfeiting no honour , he would , whatever might be the consequences , give his hearty vote for the bill before the house .

      Sir C . " Napieb took the same view of the question , and supported the bill , knowing that he also differed in opinion with many of his constituents . Mr . Staffobd O'Brien opposed the measure on the ground that the improved education at Maynooth would give refined tastes , which would utterly unfit the Catholic priest for the duties he would subsequently have to perform . Had such a measure , or that very measure eer&afc ' m , been proposed by Lord John Russell , while a Minister , he believed it would have been opposed by every one of those Conservatives wbo now were lending it their support . Had he made up his mind to vote for the measure , he would , in that case , have felt himself bound to resign bis trust into the hands of his constituents . "

      Mr . C . Wysn said , that during forty or , fifty years he had sat in that house he had uniformly supported measures of this kind , and would support this - one also , as being well calculated to draw closer the bonds of union between the two countries /' The great object was that the Catholics should be" trained ' up * in subjection to the law , and that their priests , instead of being the leaders o | f agitation , might become the links of unity between the Government and the people ; and he , therefore , hoped the bill might be carried to a successful issue . Mr . Cowpbb , iu voting for the bill , could not understand that he was at all voting for or against religious error . It was but common fairness that the Catholics of Ireland should have a fair , share out of the money they , as well as the Protestants , contributed to the Consolidated Fund , for the purposes of education . ' <

      Mr . Gbegobt opposed the bill , contending that it would lead to the endowment of the Catholic Church , and the endowment of one community would necessarily lead to the endowment of ever ; other , Mr . Macadiat reviewed the chief objections which had been made to tbe measure , and , in replying to them , observed that a great number of those gentlemen who were about to oppose this bill would have voted for the ordinary grant to Maynooth . Now , with such gentlemen , principle formed no ground of objection ; for with them the question was one between £ 9000 and 26 , 000 . For his own part , he thought that if they were to give a grant at all , they should give one efficient for the purpose for which it was professed to be intended- When he saw the magnificent way in which English universities were

      maintained , and when he reflected on the vast quantity of wealth formerly taken from the Catholic Church , he confessed he was astonished at the niggardly spirit hitherto displayed towards " Do-the-boys-Hall" at Maynootli . With respect to the argument , that by this bill they were giving money for the inculcation of errer , the right hon . gentleman contended that iu every Church there was a certain portion of error . If one were perfect . There was in the Scottish Church and in the Church , of England also much of error , and , in endowing thpse Churches , they were to a certain extent paying money for the circulation of error . Under these circumstances he conceived himself entitled to vote for giving this grant for the benefit of the people of Ireland , notwithstanding that there was in his opinion a proportion of error in the

      religious doctrine inculcated . He would say , however , that the conduct of public men should be governed by fixed principles — that those principles should guide them , ' whether on the opposition or the ministerial benches . This had not been the case with the right hon , baronet , who had twice obtained powerand deluded the expectations of those by whom he was supported ; and he must also say that when seeking power he had appealed to passions with which he had not the slightest sympathy , and to prejudices iu which be did not share . Thus , he had held out to the anxious Protestants of Ireland a hope of a registration bill which would

      annihilate the political power of the Catholics ; and , baying obtained power , instead of a registration bill , he presented them with a bill for , Maynooth . He challenged him to show any fixed principle regarding Irish affairs which had actuated him both in and out of office , Tbe present Government were therefore , he contended , the most unprincipled opposition the world ever saw ; but that was no reason why their measures , if good , should be rejected ; and therefore , though believing that the fate of the bill and o £ the Ministiy also were In Hie disposal of that , side of the house , he would nevertheless support it steadily and perseveringly , although aware that in so doing he risked his scat , in Parliament .

      Mr . Shaw looked upon this bill as the first regular endowment of the Catholic Church since the Reformation , and it was regarded in Ireland as a severe blow to the Esablished Church in that country . Mr . S . Herbert said that Mr . Macaulay had shown to demonstration that no principle was concerned in tbe question before the house . He quite agreed with him in this ; but then , he wished to know if no principle . were involved , how could the right hon . gentleman think that there was a great violation of principle committed by the Government in bringing it forward ? The right ¦ hon . gentleman ( Mr . Herbert ) then proceeded to reply to many of the objections urged against the bill in the course of the debate , and said he was so convinced of its justice and necessity that he was perfectly willing to take his full share of any obltquy which might fall to the share of its supporters . Major Be&esfobd then moved the adjournment of the debate until Tuesday , which was immediately acceded to .

      Toesday , April 15 . An immense number of petitions were presented against the proposed grant to Maynooth . Against ; them Mr . Colquhoun presented a petition from a public meeting held on Monday evening , at Covent-garden Theatre , at which not less than 5000 persons were present . ) The petition was aigned on behalf of the meeting by Mr . R . C . L . Bevan , the chairman . The petitioners , amongst other things , said , " That the proposal of her Majesty ' s Government formally to endow the College of Maynooth for the education of the Romish priesthood of Ireland , iat the expense of tbe united kingdom , is a measure which this meeting feels constrained , by every principle of religion , to oppose by all tbe means of resistance which the laws and constitution of these realms will permit . " '

      Mr . Fereand moved , that the petition of the members of the Dublin Protestant Operative Association and Reformation Society , and other Protestants , praying the house forthwith to institute an inquiry into the conduct of the Right Hon . Sir R . Peel , Bart ., M . P ., and , if the premises of the petitioners be correct , to impeach him for high crimes and misdemeanours against the laws and constitution of the realm ( presented 11 th April ) , be printed . He hoped there would be no objection , to the printing of the petition , which was most respectfully worded . It was his intention to bring the allegations it contained against the right hon . baronet at the head of Government under the consideration of the house on the third reading of the Maynooth bill , if it should reach that stage .

      Colonel Rawdon was of opinion that the house could not sanction such a proposition , more particularly as the petition contained passages in reference to the coronation oath , couched in terms offensive to all Roman Catholics . After a short discussion , : Sir J . Gkaham said he would assent to the printing of the petition , if the hon . member would pledge himself to found a motion upon it . Mr . Febband said he had already given notice that he would move an amendment on the third reading of the Maynooth Bill , which would be based upon tbe allegations of the petition . . ' ..-.. <

      LordJ . Russem . thought it was absurd to print such a petition as this upon a vague assurance that a motion would be moved on the third reading of the bill calling for the impeachment of Sir B . Peel because of the passing of the Charitable . Begueats , Act . "Without a more distinct assurance . of a specific motion , he must oppoie the printing of the petition . * ' •• . ¦?• - ; 3 Ir T « " Dokcombb- said , that -the . hon . member ( Mr , Ferrand ) bid W given a distinct pledge thatine would make ' amotidnfounded on the petition unconnected witii 4 he -thirdre » diiiff of the Maynootb College Bill . If he SaVfe & distinct pledge , he . fliou ^ bt M »» wottm n 5 t have the power to refuse the printing of the petition . As there was a strong feeling that the rig ht of petitioning was encroached on , he should , on the understanding that the hon . member meant to found a specific motion on tbe

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      petition , vote for its being printed , in Hie event of a division taking place . - ' ¦ ¦ ; ¦ ¦ •<¦ . ¦ : ¦ * •• n ' Mr . Febband said it was not his intention to make a distinct motion founded on tbe potition , and therefore ,. as he saw the sense of the house ; was against the motion for printing the petition , he should withdraw that motion . Motion accordingly withdrawn . ' , A furtherand immense number of petitions against the Maynooth grant were then presented , after which the adjourned debate on the bill was resumed . Major BEEESroKD opposed the bill because it weakened

      the position of the Church of England ia Ireland and exposed it to the greatest dangers . He contended , that the College of Maynooth was not fit to be continued aBa"seminary for education , for Its pupils disseminated among the people of Ireland the doctrines of agitation rather than those of peace and Christian charity . He insisted that this bill was in direct opposition to every principle wliich bad placed the present Government in power . They had now brought forward for representation tbe very drama which they had damned and hissed off the stage when it was acted by the managers of the rival house .

      Mr . By no said , that having voted for every measure brought forward for amending the civil condition of the Roman Catholics for the sixty-seven years during which he had been a member of Parliament , he felt it necessary to declare that he supported this measure not only on political , but also on religious grounds . He thought that the Roman Catholics of Ireland had been worse governed than any other set of men in Europe ; and he could not find in the sacred Scriptures a single passage in which he was ordered by the great God who made us all to h&te any man who differed from him in religion ., He could not remain in that house any longer with a vote if he did not give it on this occasion in favour of the Roman Catholics of Ireland . Could any man dislike this measure , more than Sir R . Peel and the Duke of Wellington ? And yet it was not from fear , but from a firm conviction that it was for . the benefit of the country , that they now gave it their warmest support .

      Colonel Vebn £ & stated , that if the . last speaker had been the advocate of Catholic emancipation for the last sixty-seven years , he had been the advocate of , the claims of the Protestants for the last , fifty . As such , ' he must denounce this bill as a violation of principle which could not be defended even on the paltry ground of expediency . He referred to Mr . O'ConneU ' s "hurrnh for Peel andKepeal , " as a proof that he considered this measure a . step in advance to repeal . He complained that the Protestants of Ireland had not of late rears been treated bv the Government of the country with the respect and the attention which their importance and their loyalty deserved .

      Mr . Home hailed this measure as one of great national importance , and should , therefore , give it his support . He made a personal appeal to Sir R . Inglis , and advised him to consider , whether the principles on which his revered father had acted towards the people of India , when he was one of the directors of the East India Company , were not wiser and more charitable than those on which he was then acting towards the people of Ireland . If we were to give that support to the Roman Catholic religion in Ireland which the East-Indict Company gare to the religion of the Hindoos in India , he was certain that we should find the benefit of it in the increased love and

      attachment of our Irish fellow-countrymen . He then proceeded to defend Sir It . Peel from ttie attaclc whlcn Iiad been made upon him last night , because he was now proposing measures contrary to . the principles of those which he advocated four years ago ; If there were any force in this mode of attack , what would Mr . Macaulay say to St . Paul , who was a persecutor of the Christians up to a eeri tain period of his life 1 Though he intended to support this bill , be objected to taking the money for the endowment of Maynooth from the consolidated fund . He considered that there were church funds in Ireland which were better applicable for such a purpose . :

      Mr , Nettoegatb could not give his support to the bill , on account of the tenets which were avowed and taught by the Roman Catholic clergy . If the population were ignorant , one of the principles on which they regularly acted was this— " Si j ) 0 i )« l « 3 imtt deoipi , rfecipiafuv . " Ho considered that the Roman Catholics precluded themselves by the profession of such principles from all assistance from British and Protestant resources . Besides , he could not see how our assistance could be reasonably demanded for the endowment of Maynooth , when £ 10 , 000 a-year was regularly sent to the ' Propaganda at Lyons from Ireland , and yet not a penny was subscribed for their own college at Maynooth . He was afraid that college was under the management of the Jesuits , a society which , at one time or other , had been expelled from every country in Europe except pur own , as arrant disturbers of the public peace . He deprecated the introduction of this measure at the present moment , inasmuch as the rejection of it might , if Sir C . Napier ' s anticipations of a war with America were correct , add to the dangers arising from external enmity all the evils of internal dis-¦

      sension . . ' . • . « Mr . Pakington replied ^ to the arguments of the preceding speaker , and contended that he had not proved that the Boman Catholics of Ireland were able to supply the sum of £ 17 , 000 a-year , which was necessary at present to to put the College of Maynooth into a comfortable and dignified position ... He .. then adverted to the speech delivered by Mr . Macaulay on the preceding night , and observed that lie was sorry to hear , the narrow party grounds on wliich he had argued a gueation involving high national considerations on the one hand , aud high religious scruples on the other . He insisted that the

      charges wliich Mr . Macaulay had brought forward against the Conservative Government were perfectly unfounded . He denied that it had ever raised the cry of "No Popery " to embarrass the lats Administration during the time when the members of it were in Opposition . Adverting more particularly to the measure itself , which he described as a great act of justice and generosity , he said , that he gave it his support on two grounds , —that it was impossible to leave the College of Maynooth on the footing on which it now stood , and that it was a step in that system of conciliation which every wise Government must pursue in future towards Ireland .

      Mr . Stewart was surprised to hear the declaration of Mr . Pakington that . the Conservative Government had never , when they were in opposition , raised the cry , of " No Popery " against their predecessors in office . He wished that he could cite the Conservative constituencies into court , in order to prove from their confessions that the cry of "Ko Popery" was a weapon used with great effect against Whig candidates . Passing from that topic , he adverted to the bill before the house , which he condemned in the most unmeasured terms , and which , he trusted , would never pass into law . In giving the grant to the College of Maynooth a permanent place in the statute-book , Parliament would Be committing an act in opposition to that solemn protest into which this country

      had entered against Popery . He contended , that as a measure of pacification , it would be a signal failure , and in proof of this position quoted a declaration of Mr . O'Connell , that he accepted it as the first fruits of fear , but that he was determined that it should not be the last . He considered it to be a measure fraught with evil both to the Boman Catholic and to the Protestant portions of the community . It was fraught with evil to the Roman Catholics , for it encouraged hopes in their minds which he was sure no Government conld realise ; and to the Protestants , for it had raised feelings of animosity in their hearts which it would take a long time to allay . If this bill should become law , the force of pubUc opinion would speedily compel the Government to repeal it .

      The Earl of Lincoln wished it to be understood that he did not give to this measure a doubtful or hesitating sup . port , but that he was deeply interested in its immediate and its ultimate success . He was convinced of its wisdom , its justice , and its necessity , and could not understand how it could b » resisted on the ground of its being inconsistent with religious principle .. Those who rejected it on that ground , must also refuse their assent to the original grant to the College of Maynooth—they must withdraw their support from the Regium Donum , and they must withhold all support from the institutions which we had for the support of religion in colonies professing a religious creed different from our own . He showed that , as agitation had . been suppressed and the supremacy of the law had been vindicated , this was the time in which this measure could be offered by the Government as a boon with grace , and could be accepted by the people as a benefit with gratitude . He reminded the house that , if it no » v rejected this measure , it could not restore affairs , to

      the same condition in which they were before it was pro posed . It had now raised the , hopes of the Roman-Catholics of Ireland . He implored it not to dash them ruthlessly down to the ground , for , if it did , it would incur a heavy and serious responsibility . He admitted that the vote which he was about to give ou this question was , in some respects , to him a very painful one . He should give it in opposition to the riewa of many of his constituents , whose religious feelings he revered and respected , and in opposition to the wishes of one to whom it would not be becoming in him , nor , indeed , was it necessary , further to allude . Painful , however , as Ms vote on this question mustbft , he sWili betray his duty to his country if he allowed those considerations to make' him falter in the course which he had determined to pursue . He believed that the measure would tend to increase the prosperity of Ireland , and to produce political and religious peace in both countries ; and , asauch / he would give it his most cordial support .

      Lord Wobshev said that though he had presented 136 petitions from his constituents against this bill , and though he admitted that they were generally averse to it , he felt compelled by a sense of duty to give it his support , for he considered it to be a measure calculated to do inconceivable good to Ireland . In supporting the second reading , he wished it to be understood that he gave no opinion as to the source whence the funds were to come . Mr , M . MiicNES declared Ms intention to support this bill , both for what it was and for what it promised to the people of Ireland . Last year he had placed upon the books a resolution that ' to endow the Roman ¦ Catholic priests of that country would be' a measure ot wise and just policy ; and when he , wont down to visit his constituents ) he received from them a' receptidn- ' not very unlike that which Sir R . Peel ' s billon this subject had received from the constituency atlarge . He then entered inttf a defence of *}_ the innoceney " of the present measure , which he said was supported , by every practical statesman , and was opposed only ; by . the pious ' theorists 1 > "f the closet . ¦ '

      Mr . Serjeant MrapHr defended the Roman i Catholic clergy of . Ireland from the' iniptttations which had been cast upon them'b ^ Mi- ; Colquhouni arid those wh ' ohad followed in ; tiis train . ' THfl 'r ight hon ; member for Perth ( Mr : F . Maulfe ) last mgh'i quoted- thVauthwi ^ af < a' # « v James Grant , who had paid a recent vuit to Ireland , and written a book , in which he bore testimony to the very comfortable appointments and conditions of the students of Maynooth , and which be seemed to exaggerate con » i-

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      derabiy . But , as that gentleman was a . Scotchman , perhaps tiic lucre wearing of a pair of trousers was considered bv him as a ' gl'eat luxury . ( Laughter . ) No « -, ' he happened to have , before him a book written by the same person some few years ago , from which he would make a few quotations , to " show the sort of value that ought to be placed upon the descriptions given by this eminent Scotch traveller ,, and what notions he was able to form of comfort , clothing , and dress ' . ( The lion , and learned member then proceeded to read some passages , which , on account of the broad disparity between the attempted portraitures and the " persons , excited universal merriment in the house . ) Xo begin , detur digniori , with the right hon . baronet , whom the writer thus graphically described : " His usual dress is a green surtout . " ( A loud burst of laughter . ) "A

      lig ht waistcoat and dark trousers . " ( Renewed laughter . ) " He generally displays a large chain on his breast , with a bunch of gold seals of unusually large dimensions . " ( Laughter . ) He could not say whetto this would be regarded as a foul calumny or not ; but the writer ^ ivent onto say— "lean scarcely call him a dandy ; yet he sacrifices a great deal to the graces . And for my part I hardly know any public man who dresses in better taste . " ( Roars of laughter . ) That was the description given of the right hon . baronet . On turning over the pages he came to another description , which appeared to be underlined ; it was of the gallant officer the member for Lincoln . ( Laughter . ) As the" gallant officer received the allusion in the same . good humour iu which it was intended , he should make no bones of reading the

      passage : —" His countenance is altogether unique . " ( Laughter . ) " It stood out in broad relief from the couu tenances of all the other members . Two or three senators rejoice in tufts , a few in whiskers of decent proportions ; . but , compared with the moustaches and whisker , of the gallant colonel , one feels indignant that they should bo dignified . by the name . You hardly know whether he has a m » uth or not , it is so completely buried amidst the surrounding crop of hair , until he begins to speak . " ( Great laughter . ) . " He is extremely proud Of his whiskers and moustaches . " ( Repeated laughter . ) But mark the postscript : — " He would do and suffer a great deal for his party and his principles ; but , rather than lose his moustaches and whiskers , he would suffer

      Tones , constitution , and all to be scattered to the windsi " ( Loud laughter , in which the gallant colonel joined . ) But , to coine to the other side of the bouse , there was a description given of tho hon . member for Lambeth : — "He speaks pretty often ; generally on the details of some apparently unimportant bill . I know no one great principle or measure with , which he is identified . " ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) "He is a little man , with a round face , dark hair , and a dark complexion : ( Laughter . ) To ' finish these extracts ; the right hon . member for Perth , who rested so much on this writer , was thus described by him : — "He is a man of exceedingly gracer ful proportions , and of very retiring habits ! " ( Prolonged laughter . ) Now , lie ( Mr . Serjeant Murphy ) was quite certain that no hon . member who had heard those

      descriptions could doubt the authority quoted by the right hon . member for Perth on all matters of dress , comfort , and convenience . ( Hear , and laughter . ) The people of Ireland did not receive this measure as a . boon , to the Roman Catholic priests , but as an act of justice . He asked the house whether it was willing to dash the cup of promise from the lips of Ireland , and . if it were , whether it was prepared to meet the consequences of such insanity . He then proceeded to comment with great severity on the speech delivered by Dr . Croly at a public meeting held a day or two ago in the city , of London , and ridiculed the notion of his considering the decapitation of Charles I , as a just judgment for his having married a Roman Catholic princess . He believed that the adoption , of tins measure would , be most conducive to the interests ot England and Ireland , while the rejection of it would create gr ^ at and lasting animosity , and would endanger the peace of the two kingdoms .

      Sir J . Hammer opposed , and Mr . Boss supported the bill . . . . . Mr . M . Gork observed that , if he could suppose that this bill impugned tlie principles of tUe Reformation , Yds opposition to It would be as warm a * lis now intended 2 iis support to be . But he saw no cause of opposition to it ou religious grounds , and , therefore , as it appeared calculated to join England and Ireland together in peace and harmony , he should do everything m his power to promote its success . On the motion of Mr . Hamilton , the debate was then adjourned . Wbdnesdati April 16 . After the presentation of a great number of petitions against the Maynootli Bill , the adjourned debate was resumed by . Mr . Hamilton , who opposed the bill , contending- that tl \ e doctrines of Catholicism , as taught at Maynooth , were opposed to Divine truth , and civilly and socially alike

      pernicious . Mr . B . BtttCE gave his warm support to the bill , but would , nevertheless , support the amendment of which Mr . Ward had given notice that he would move in committee . Still , should that amendment be defeated ) he would gup . port tffe bill , as a measure of tardy justice to Ireland . He hoped the poyernraent would persevere in the course they had begun , as far as they could do , without alarming the prejudices of the Protestants , and they would reap their reward in tlie increased happiness , ultimately , of the whole community . After some observations from Mr . Goring ,

      Lord Ashley admitted that if the measure should work well it would be productive of great benefit iu Ireland , by conciliating public feeling ; but , on the other hand , should if work ill , the result would be the destruction of the Protestant Establishment . He objected to the bill , because itproceeded to endowment by Act of Parliament , and he believed thG recognition by this bill of the Roman Catholic religion as one of the institutions of the State had sunk deeper into the minds of the English people than if they had increased the Maynooth grant to three times the amount . He could not see , if this bill were passed , how tbe house could refuse to endow the Roman Catholic Church ; for his part , were he to support the present measure , he should conceive himself bound in honour to support a subsequent proposition for the endowment of the Irish priesthood . Under these circurnstances he'would oppose a bill which he felt certain would not satisfy the Catholics of Ireland , but which , instead of promoting peace , would , in his opinion , exasperate strife , and load to the most disastrous results .

      The CHANCElLOBOf the Excueqoer said that , sincerely attached as he was to the Established Church , he could never briug himself to vote for any measure which could Lave a tendency to injure it . The bill , however , introduced no new principle , and he believed that the spirit of Protestantism was more liKely to reach the minds of the Catholics through the medium of kindness than by neglect , depression , and ignorance . He believed that at the present moment fifty members could not be found who would vote against the ordinary grant to Maynooth , and it was clear , therefore , that the only course to be adopted was by a small pecuniary grant to raise tlie Maynooth establishment into decency and respect , and thereby to secure the gratitude , good-will ; and tranquillity of the great body of the Irish people . If the present measure should be rejected , who would be ' responaible'for the tranquillity of Ireland 1 Let them censure—let them impeach the Ministry if they would ; but he intreated that the house would not awaken passions which would exceed its power to subdue . :

      Sir W . C&at warmly supported the bill , though he was aware it was objected toby a large body of his constituents . The , grant , ho contended , should be received as strictly given for educational purposes to the usjustly treated Roman Catholics of Ireland . Lord Been AM ) had always opposed the Maynooth grant upon religious grounds , and for similar reasons he was decidedly opposed to the bill before the house , which he believed calculated to stop the progress of the reformed religion in Ireland . Sir J . Easthope said that they had to govern Catholic Ireland , and the question was whether they were to govern it by justice , kindness , and conciliation , or the contrarywhether , in fact , they were to extend to eight millions of people that kind of assistance which they had a decided r ight to demand . Believing that they should govern Ireland in this spirit of justice , he would vote for a bill which was calculated to repress agitation , to inspire confidence , and produce the most beneficial results to the whole

      empire . Lord JocEiiTN looked upon this measure as one of purely civil polity , to which he would give his warmest and most cordial support . He denied that Sir R . Peel had been guilty of any inconsistency in bringing forward this measure . On the contrary , the right hon . baronet , on taking office , had acknowledged that Ireland would be his chief difficulty ; but that he would endeavour to govern that country in a spirit of impartiality and conciliation ; and it was in accordance with that pledge that he had brought the present measure under tlie consideration of Parliament .

      Mr . BRIGHT condemned the intolerance displayed ill the speech , of Lord Bernard , whose notions of the way iu which Ireland should be governed were almost insane . He felt it necessary to say this , because he intended to vote on thei ssme side as the noblo lord , and was unwilling to be misunderstood . He objected to vote a sum of money out of the consolidated fund for a purpose which must ultimately lead to :. the establishment of another Church in Ireland . He looked upon this measure as a sop to the Irish priests to induce them to refrain from exposing to the , eyes of Europe the deplorable situation of that wretched people—to become , in short , as tame as the Protestant priests of Suffolk and Dorsetshire , who saw incendiavy fires spreading around them without havinc the courage to call public attention to the miserable condition of the people . ,

      Lord J . MAHHBBg felt himself called upon to take his share of any odium incurred by the Government in brine ing forward this measur e of just concession / which he could not beheve calculated in any way to endanger ' the ****** « . He admitted ffi ( t thg S \ Z Wished Church was in danger , but that danger emanated from her own sons , who pursued a course likely to alienate the . good wishes of aU other communities . Poor and mi . 8 erablea 8 W ^ heProvbionforMavnooth , ithadanSwerTd , ^ hS ^* P »^ for ffft ! cH ; . was established by educating

      a priesthood under , whose tutelage the men had not become less sober nor the women less chaste than 22 ! IW- ^* ^ *«<»« had . iiideeff displayed & . zeal , a . ^ ngle-minded Idevotton and ' penm : V ^^^^ . f ^^ oo ^ mi , h might ^ LlSuJ ^ rffi ° ^^ ^ 8- Wuld imitat e . He looU * uposi . the bJl not , only ; ag &n ulive' branch held out ° ^ te * ° ** a * 'Wt as a pledge of goo d feeling which would win the best feelings of the CathoUcs towards their Protestant fellow-subjects , and lead to the adoption of raoru favourable impressi on * of the reformed religion .

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      Mr . liwruxsij jjxb' supported -ftie- second reaai : igof tiie bill . . ) : '¦' . ' :. ; : / .: ' " *¦ - ¦¦ - ; _ : ¦ : ¦¦¦¦ ¦ ¦ Mr . Ski'TUE ,-ill-supporting : the ' MIL' said lie had two years ago brought considerable odium on himself by suggesting a measure of this description .. He remembered that he had theu drawn down upon himself some obloquy from gentlemen who stated that concession had already reached its limits ; and he recollected that he had been attacked by the noble lord tho member for Liverpool in particular . He could assure the noble lord , however , that he did not remember the attack for its severity ., The noble lord had then spoken of the rashness and the forwardness of youth , and lwbelieved that if he were so minded he might at present retort upon the noble lord , by reminding him of the rashness and the fonrardaes . of

      riper age , and of the proverbial extravagance * ofvlate conversions . Buttho noble lord was privileged to change his opinions , and he should take his revenge of the noble lord by saying , that if he wows Hie worsa courtier , be bad proved himself the better judge . Tbe right hon . gentleman had , in his opinion , been justly characterised by the lion , member for Sheffield as the great doer of his age ; and as he had done emancipation , so , he believed , would he do Maynooth . ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) For his part , he had not been deceived by the right hon . gentleman ' s adolescence ; and neither was he one of those who believed , with his hon . friend the member for Shrewsbury , that ths right hon . gentleman was the enemy of Ireland , although it might be u question whether Ireland were not the enemy of the right hon . gentleman . Among the contrasts wliich the long career of the right hon . gentleman afforded , there was none which historyVould deal with so

      leniently , or record so favourably , as the contrast between Mr . Secretary Peel and the Prime Minister Sir Robert Peel . ( Hear , " hear . ) The young and proscribing par . tisan had become the clement and beneficent ruler ; the young Octavius of intolerance was merged in the Augustus of conciliation . ( Hear hear . ) The right hon . baronet might in that matter rely upon the sincerity of his ( Mr . Smythe ' s ) congratulations , because he knew full well how much they would cost him . He knew too well how much odium he had before incurred with an archiepiscopal constituency by bis previous suggestions upon that subject , not to be quite certain that he would again be at issue with that archiepiscopal constituency . Similar feelings might , he thought , be excited upon other subjects . There was , for instance , something suspicious , to say the least of it , in the ethics of Oxford . Suppose they were to take the following line of Euripides— .

      " My tongue has sworn it , but my mind is unsworn , and apply it to certain articles : suppose they were to take a passage from Terence , which he could mention ; an ode from Catullus , a sentence from Plato , and a morality , it was Ins belief that it would then be quite as easy to affright the Wcsleyans and to alarm the Independents as by raising the " No Popery" cry in the present instance , Tlicn away with that one-sided phraseology—with that hypocrisy which objected to books of devotion catechetically distributed , but flung them broad-cast among children—which strained at the calendar , but swallowed the mythology . He was aware that it would be as easy to get up a "No Popery" cry now as it would have been in 1807 , or 1827 , or 1829 ; and he only wished it were under the control of such men as the noble lord the member for

      Dorsetshire ( Lord Ashley ) , who hud addressed them that evening with that great ability , and that grave sense of responsibility , wliich distinguished every speech of that noble lord . But that was not the case ; and he wished that some of the "No Popery" enthusiasts—he did not mean to say that there were any of those enthusiasts in that house—would look back and pass in review all the men tliey had believed in from Titus Oates to Lord George Gordon , and from Lord George Gordon , to our own times ; and then he thought that they would see with him that all the superstition had not been on one side . ( Hear , hear . ) One result , at least , he had no doubt would follow from lUat retrospect ; and it was , that those persons would find out tliat they Iiad been always betrayed by their own leaders . Tlie moment a great Protes ' . ant

      champion entered that house , still flushed * with the plaudits of Exeter Hall—ivith the Voxologf , perhaps , Still ringing in his ears , and determined to carry everything before him , it happened somehow or other that their common sense acted upon him as religion did upon a dervishhe went round ( hear , hear , and laughter ) : he kicked a little , but still be went rouna . It was a Parliamentary polka , which the whole of that ( the ministerial ) bench , from the right lion , gentleman the member for tho University of Cambridge ( the Chancellor of the Exchequer ) to the hon . member for Selkirkshire ( Mr . i ' ringle ) were practising . ( Renewed cries of "hear , bear , " and laughter . ) And it was that going round of the great Parliamentary leaders of the great Protestant champions iu that house , which rendered the "No Popery" agitation ,

      notwithstanding all its zeal , and all its earnestness , and all its respectability—fov earnestness and respectability were to his mind synonymous—it was that wliich rendered the agitation utterly null and inefficient . But there had arisen of late years another agitation also in some sort in opposition to that grant , which , for want of a better namo , he should characterise as the Anglican opposition It was weak in that bouse , but it was strong in dialecticians and in reasoners ; it was strong among young men , and it was strong in the universities . It had been supposed , up to Friday last , that it was represented by his right hon . friend the member for Newark ( Mr . Gladstone ) . It had been supposed also that it had received an illustration by his retirement from office ; and there were many who would have been ready to apply to his right hon .

      friend the words "de ciuitate decidere malmt quawi de sententin ; " he retired from power rather than desert his convictions . The right hon . gentleman had addressed the house upon tlie present question on I ' liday last ; but in that abstract phraseology in which he had clouded his mysterious divinity . ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) There was only one phrase intelligible to vulgar mortals like him ( Mr . Sinytlieh and it was that In which the right hon . gentleman had declared that , notwithstanding his most cherished convictions , he should vote in favour of that measure . It was quite clear , therefore , that his " most cherished convictions" and his vote would be at issue . But about a mere vulgar vote the right hon . gentleman probably cared little , as upon that very question he had voted all ways . He had first of all

      voted against the grant ; he had afterwards voted in its favour ; and when the measure involving an increased grant had come to a first reading lie had not voted at all ; and now that they had arrived at the second reading of the bill tlie right lion , gentleman was prepared to rote in favour of it . ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) But was any gentleman quite certain—nay , was the right hon . gentleman himself quite certain , that on the third reading he should not find equally good reasons for voting against the measure ? ( Renewed laughter . ) With regard to the right honourable gantleinan ' s " most cherished convictions" he should be permitted to say one word ; and that was that those " convictions" were not " cherished" by himself alone , but thattliey were " cherislied " . by many converts whom he himself had made , and by , many fanatics

      whose reason his eloquence had helped to fascinate . Aud what was their position ? What was the principle laid dowii by them ? It was an old enemy with a new face . It was the worst principle of absolutism disguised in the worst language of the Jesuits ; it was : the principle of Alva in the language of Escobar . It begun in the fiction that because the State had once pledged itself to one particular system , it was bound to perpetuate that system , " and to exclude all others for all times .: Now , if that were true , it should be universally true ; and if that principle had prevailed in this country , thoy would at this momeivt have tl \ & Etolem&lc sjstem followeil in their observatory ; and Sir Isaac Newton would not only be known , as the right hon . gentleman might be known , as a crotehetty theologian , but a capital Master of tlie Mint .

      ( Much laughter . ) But if that principle began in fiction , it ended in pains and penalties ; if it began in sophistry , it ended in persecution . It was , in one word , the old , vicious , cruel , and effete principle of uniformity . ( Hear , hear . ) And whether the rig-lit hon , gentleman argued against or in favour of that principle , it appeared to him ( Mr . Smythe ) that his position was equally untenable . The right bou . gentleman the First Lord of the Treasury had supported the introduction of his measure by what the hon . member for the University of Dublin had called " the colonial argument ; " and he ( Mr . Smythe ) should certainly say , that as Presbyterianism had beeu for the last 150 years endowed in Scotland , as Presbyterianism had been paid in Ireland , and as they had adopted the principle of toleration in the vast peninsula of India , they

      might find in the general policy of this country a sufficient answer to any attempt to introduce the principle of uniformity at the present day . But the right hon . gentleman , or rather the right hon . author , had a vision of his own ; he had been dazzled by the recollection of eleven years , when , to use his own phraseology , " the Church had exclusive possession of the precincts of Parliament . " And when did the house suppose had that time been ? Had it been in the reign of Elizabeth ? or i the reign of Anne ? or in the reign of that Consul Plancus , King George the Third * Or had it been in the reign of Charles the Second—that was to say , at the period when England had been the minion of France , and ^ vhen Ireland had been treated as a conquest , and when an energetic member of the very familof

      energetic y Graham ( a laugh ) was sabreing the Cameronians and dragooning Scotland into episcopacy ? Which of these periods , he would ask , offered the ami mirabiles of the right hon . gentleman ? In reply to the arguments of the right hon . gentleman , he would fain address him in the language wliich had been made use of by a great minister to a great theologian and author . Colbert had said to Bossuet , when the latter had been urging those arguments which eventually led to the revocation of the edict of Nantes , "All this belongs to your conscience of the Sorbonne ; there is another conscience within you , let that speak . " ( Hear , hear . ) He would say to the right hon . gentleman , " All this belongs to your conscience of Oxfovd ; there is another conscience within you , let that gpeak . " It would tell him to put things before him more broadly and more to the purpose ;

      it would tell him that an ardent and susceptible people , whose alliance with their priesthood had been solemnised in the midst of tribulation and misfortune , was not to be divorcedfrom them on the first dawn of a 'happier day Not open violence—not the vicious perfection of the law , not arms bills , not coercion bills , not laws of mortmain ] by which they had been harassed , not pi-pres constructions by which they had been robbed—not one of these thing 8 , had been able ; to ^ put * asunder " those whom persecution had ' joined together . » i Those also would fail with all their euphuism - wW hoped to disarm the , Irish priesfc'by making him a gentleman A gentleman ; that is , somethingmbre of the > < m and some thing less * of the mire—something more ^ f ; the chaplain and something less of the priest-somebod y who would look more to ttve patron , and care less for the poor ; in a

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      word , a man of t \ -c wotW , but not of \ hv ! , » . \ t Wor | . ( ( Hear , and laughter . ) ¦ This : design .. woul « i ... ,-raii ; f 0 ,. if it should succeed , he pitied their short-sifj ij tediitss , [^ had himself seen the prelacy of Ireland in a day ofgreat solemnity at Maynooth—plain men , poor men ; and the same euphuism , might perhaps have branded them m vulgar men , without that splendour and array for which the Church of Rome had been so much reprobated . n 0 pomp ; no representation ; ' but he was wrong ; there waj a representation not of so many thousands a year , but of so many millions of souls . It is these men ( continued the hon . member ) whom the right hon . baronet has ma < L > his friends . They will remember that , notwithstanding a powerful opposition , the right hon . baronet brought for " . ward a measure of conciliation without restriction " ( Cheers . ) In that hour of emergency and crisis which

      those who look at nations , and not at cabinets , know cannot be far distant—in that hour of emergency and crisis , when your entente cordiafy with France win fail a » it surely will , you will have an entente cordiale witU Ireland , to supply its place . ( Loud cheers . ) Inthatdaj the right hon . baronet , when he shall be called to rally round him the energies of this mighty empire—for he alone , notwithstanding all this temporary clamour re presents those requirements which such a crisis demands ( renewed cheers)—when he shall be called on to rally round him the energies of this mighty empire , he will be able to adopt to the enemies of England , be they at Wash , ington , or be they at Paris , the solemn and beautiful Ianguage of the noble lord the member for the City of London " Our Queen reigns over a united people . " ( The hon . ' member resumed his seat amidst loud and general cheering , which lasted for some minutes . )

      Mr . ItEDifrGTOjf also supported the bill , giviiig , a 3 an Irish Catholic , every credit to Sir R . Peel for the liberal Course he was about to adopt towards Maynooth , Mr . C . BnacE then moved the adjournment of the de . bate . Colonel Sibthrop , who rose at the same time , imme . diately resumed his seat amid loud cries for him to proceed , Colonel Sibthobp ( with much emphasis ) . —X shall not speak upon this question except in the presence of the hon . and learned member for Cork ( Serjeant Murphy , ) ( Laughter . ) The debate was then adjourned . The Auction "Duties Kepeal Bill , and the Sugar Bill , were read a third time and passed . The other orders of the day were then disposed of , and tke lionse adjourned at half-past twelve o ' clock .

      Thursday , April 17 . TUE MiYNOOTU GRANT . Colonel Sibthorp moved that there be laid before this house a return of the numbers of petitions that have been presented for and against the present proposal on the part of her Majesty ' s Government , of an increased grant out Of tlie Consolidated Pnnd to tlie College ot' Maynooth in Ireland , with the number of signatures annexed thereto . Mr . ThornIiET said , that on Tuesday last the Committee made its last report , and the number of petitions up to that date presented against the Maynooth grant were 871 to which there were attached 88 , 378 signatures . A furl ther report would be made at a proper period , but it would be perfectly impracticable to compl y with tliclioti . and gallant membcr ' d motion before tililt time arrived Colonel Sibthorp . — -What can't be done can't bo done , ( Laughter . ) The hon . and gallant officer then withdrew his motion .

      CAMCO PRINT V 0 UR 9 UlLL . LordASHLEr ., on going into Committee on the CalicoPrim Works'Bill , moved that it be an instruction to the Committee , that they have power to extend the provisions of the bill to the regulation of the labour of young persons and women , and to all print works , and to tlie yrocessi-s incidental to the labour in print works . —Agreed to . The bill was then re-committed to ¦ ¦ Wednesday iwa , and ordered to be printed .

      THE ADJOURNED DEBATE was opened by Mr . Bruce , who opposed fbe bill . Britain bad prospered by her adherence to Protestantism , and would suffer if she abandoned her religious principles . With regard to the argument that the present measure was necessary to carry out the implied faith of the Act of Union , and the spirit of the Emancipation Act , he must say that he did not think the endowment of the Catholic Church was part of either . Thu grant to Maynooth bj the Irish Parliameut was u . measure for the removal of civil disabilities ; but it would be absurd to suy . that the present measure could be looked upon in that light . lie thought that the Irish Parliament were wrong in passing that measure ; but their conduct would be much worse , and they would be more guilty , by agreeing to the uresiml measure , for it was of a much graver and more serious character .

      Sir Geoxge Grey supported the motion , and coil , aidered it the first great step in the road of conciliation . He was much gratified to witness the leaders on both sides of the house joining together and admitting tho policy and propriety of passing the present measure . It would no doubt lead to a better state of things in [ reland , and tend to the dcrelopetucut of a more liberal Christian feeling between religious parties . Hitherto ttie Roman Catholics had been unfairly treated . At tll « time of the Reformation tlieir property had ban seized on and appropriated to the support of another religion that was established in opposition to the great mass ot ' the people . The Hindoos and Mahometans in the cistern possessions of the empire had been much better treated , in regard to religious matters , than the people of Ireland . Cot . SrarHoar wished the indulgence of the house while he offered a few words on this most important sub . ject . He would support the amendment of the lion , member for Newcastle ( Mr . Colquhoun ) . Quotations had

      been made in reference to him , from the book of Mr . Grant the other evcuing by the hon , and learned member for Cork ( Mr . Serjeant Murphy ) , which , in his opinion , were most unbecoming aud out of place , on so grave i subject as the one under the consideration of the house . He never saw so much levity displayed on a great question , as that exhibited by the lion , member . He ( Col . Sibthorp ) never made a merry Andrew of himself , as that gentleman had most certainly done , on the occasion alluded to . ( Great laughter . ) Ke never would support any man in such a measure as that now proposed ; ami though the hon . and learned member for Cork had told him that he would sooner sacrifice his principles than he shaved , he told that hon , and learned gentleman that h& would rather uotonly be shaved , but have his head shaved off , than forget he was a Protestant , or the faith in which he was educated . ( Great laughter . ) He would give all the opposition in his power to the Government , iu SUCii a measure as the present .

      Air . Biackstone delivered himself very strongly against the bill . Mr . Rice would support the measure , because it would tend to the education and enlightenment of the Komaii Catholic priesthood ; thus enabling them to exorcise a liealtliy moral influence over the Irish people , and tend to the cementing of the union between the two countries . Mr . Plpmptre said the iuterests of religiou were deeply involved in the present question . If they were not so involved he , for one , should take very little interest in the subject . It was because the 'Protestant religion was threatened by the bill introduced by her Majesty ' s Go . vcrnment , that he resolved to give it his most decided opposition . The . endowment of Maynooth was but the prelude to the general endowment of ' the Roman Catholic religion .

      Mr . Tbehawnef was opposed to all church endowments whatever , but he thought there were exception In the case of Mayuootli , and peculiar circumstances ia regard to Ireland , that should be considered in esti . mating of the present measure . Ou thes * grounds lift should support the motion . Lord ComtTNEY . supported the measure because lie thought it would tend to the spiritual elevation of the people of Ireland , and also tend to the temporal improvement of that country . Ms . 'W . Martin , Mr . Morgan Tute , and Mr . Carcw , briefly expressed themselves in favour of tho bill . Lord LEVMOK guppOKted tke measure . Mr . Sfooner spoke at considerable leng th agaiiwtt ! bill . As the representative of a large community who were much opposed to the grant to Maynooth , tt » should most certainly vote against it .

      Sir J . GniHiK said he had never objected to any proposition for the endowment of the Homan Catholics of Ireland , and he now supported the bill , j after the moat serious and mature deliberation . After great deliberation in 1705 , the College of Maynooth vras established . The principle was then conceded , and the present measure was only an extension of it . He could not agree with the hon . member for Birmingham , that the Roman Catholic religion was an awful- delusion , though there might be errors connected with it . The object of the measure was to elevate the standard of education among the priesthood ; and he had the strongest feeling that \ i if was adopted , tlie part injurious would . be forgottefli and it would be the harbinger of more peaceful and happier days .

      Mr . Maclian opposed the measure at some length on the ground that it was a violation of the coMtitution , and would prove inimical to the Protestant religion . Be regretted that on a former occasion he said th » t " concession had readied its limits , " and now begged to withdraw the offensive expression . The debate was then adjourned . The orders of the day were then disposed of , andtl « house rose at half past twelve o'clock .

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  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), April 19, 1845, page 8, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct1311/page/8/