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      MR . DUNCOHBE'S MOTION . ( Continued Jxom our Seventh page . ) God , and . reason , hare condemned thiB inequality . " Here ihe inequality pointed out was that which existed between those who laboured and those who paid for labonr . —( hRar , hear , hear , hear , ) He could assure the House "he did not mean to keep back anything that might be material in farottr © f these parties . The proclamation went on : — Natnrti God , and reason hare condemned this inequality , and in the thunders of a people ' s Toice it must perish for ever . He knows that labonr , the real property of society , the sole origin of accumulated property , the first « ause of all national wealth , and the only supporter , defender , and contifbmor to the greatness of our country , is not poswhich is

      ^ ssed ^> f ihe same legal protection ¦ given to $ ho : « lifeless effects , ihe fc ouses , ships , and machinery which labour hare alone created . He knows that if labour has no protection , wages cannot be upheld , nor in the slightest degree regulated , until every workman of twenty-one years of age and of sane mind is on the same political level as the employer . He knows that the Gfa&rter- wonld remove , by mri-Tersal will expressed in Universal Suffrage , the heavy load of taxes which now '

      prosperity to the country , long-continued protective political power to labour , and peace , blessed peace , to xae approving nations ; therefore ii is that we haTe solemnly sworn , and one -and all declared , that the golden opportunity now within our grasp shall noi pass away fruiiless , that the chance of centuries afforded to U 3 by a wi » e and all-seeing God , shall not be lost ; but that we do now nuive .-. « ally resolve never to ^ resume labour until labour's grievances are destroyed , and protection secured for ourselves , our sngjing wives , and helpless children , by the enactment of the People ' s Charter'' This was put forth to the world at a time when it was proved by evidence that there were thousands in not Ies 3 than fifty , aye , a hundred parts of the conntry , seeking , by

      threats , by intimidation and violence , to slop the operations of labour . Evidence wonld be shown to them , from which they might jnd-je what was thB object of those parties when this Tery paper was pnbiishrd by the Chartisis themselves . The next passage referred to the blood-Ehed at Preston . It said further—** Countrymen and brothers , centuries may roll on as they have fleeted past , before such universal action may aeara be displayed j we have made the cast for liberty , and we must stand , like men , the hazard of the die . " All this , it was to be observed , was addressed to men assembled in thousands—( hear , hear . ) It proceeded »• I ^ et none despond . Let all be cool and watchful , and . like the bridemaids in the parable , keep your

      lamps bnrBing , and let your contmned resolntion be like a beacon to guide those who are now hastening far and wide to follow your memorable example . Brethren , we rely npon yonr firmness ; cowardice , ireacnery , or womanly fear would cast our cau > e back for h » lf a century . Let no man , woman , or child break down the solemn pledge , and if they do may the curse of the poor and the starring pursue tb-Tn—they deserve slavery who -st-onld madly couri it Our machinery is all arranged . " What , he asked , was the meaning of that 1 It continued , ** Our machinery 13 all arranged , and yonr cause will in three days be impelled onward by all tne intellect we can snmmon to its aid ; therefore , whiis ; you are peaceful be firm ; whilst yon-are orderly make all be so

      likewise ; and whilst you look to the law , remember thai yon had no -voice in making it , and are , thereiore , the slaves to the w » H , the law , and xhe caprice of yonr masters . " And in a passage which he had E& ssed over , ha found this expression : h Pea . ce , irr , and order , hare prevailed on our side f that i = s , they had stopped the entire labour of men—they had stopped it , not by appealing to men ' s will or inclination , bat to their fears , . and then 10 violence when they declined to comply with the demands maae anthem . The proclamation said : Be firm , be courageous bejnen . Peace , law , and order have prevailed on our side—let them be revered , until your brethren in Scotland , Wales , and Ireland are informed of your resolution : and when a universal

      holiday prevails , which will be the case in eight days , then of what use will bayonets be agam 3 t public Opinion V 2 ? ow , he wonld ask the House , he would ask either side of ihe House , 'for ibis was not a question of P&ny , but h was a question of the public safeiy— ( cheers . ) It was a question whether the insniutions of the country were to be permanent , or so be prostrated by mischeivou 3 machinations of this description . —( hear , hear . ) " One sentence more , and he had done with thisaddress . It was this : — ** AU officers of the association are called upon to aid scd assist in the peaceful extension ot the movement , and to forward all moneys for the use of the delegates who may be expressed over the Cwnmry . Strengthen -onr hands at this crisis .

      Snppori jour leaders , ftally round our sacred cause , and leave the decision to the God of Justice and of Battle . " He would ask any Member of ibat House—he wonld ask the Hon . Memoer himself—if , in the disturbed state in which Lancashire , Cheshire , and Staffordshire were at that moment , he would pnt his hand to a document like that —( hear ) 1 What ¦ was the construction which any fair and candid man woaid pus upon it —( near , hear ) ~ \ But the House was hardly yet in the possession of all the facie , which would enable it to come to a just- judgment with , respect to these cases . He particularly requested their attention to this resolution , which the delfgat s had come to on the 18 ih . It was to this eff-ci : — " Resolved , That we , the delegates , in

      pnoiic meeting assembled , do recommend to the various constituencies which we represent , to adopt -all legal means to carry into effect the people ' s Charter . And farther , vre recommend that delegaies he sent through the whole of ; he country , to endeavour to obtain the co operation of the middle and working classes , in carrying out the resolnrion of ceaaug labonr until the Charier be made the law of the land . " What , too , be asked , was the meaning of that 1 He had no doubt , as m what was the real history ot the address and resolutions of the Chartist delegates- He thouaht so far from having a doubt of it , that h had been made a matter of evidence . They came not to Manchester for the pur-¦ p oseof turning thesirike to th < -account of the Charter .

      They came to Macchesterforan eotirely different purpose . Bat when they t&me there , seeing what wa 9 the state of the pnblic feeliag , they thought that there was afforded to them a " glorious golden opportamty . " They conceived it right , for their purposes , to take advantage ; and accordingly , a- tney had put it forward in their placard , if all Wales , Scotland , and Irtlapd , had lollowed the example which was set by Lancaster , the effect woulo be a general confusion in the country . There was , too , in aid of such an object , a placard issued of this description : — *• Run for gold—labonr—labour is suspendedpublic credit is gone—paper is worthless—every sovereign is now worth thirty shillings—run , middle classes—run for gold . " He believed that their

      impression was , that if this state of things could be got to spread from county t 9 county , they would succeed in carrying the Charter . He did not complain , although it had been improperly imputed to him , of any man , whatever might be his opinions , who sought to maintain them peaceably—he did not make it a maker of reproach to any one , who upheld the doctrine that Universal Suffrage wonld be a belter mode of administering the affairs of the country than , under the present constitution . He hedged not to mix himself up , as a representative of the Crown , with the question of the Charter , or the Anti-Corn Law League- He could saj thi 3 to the Honourable Member for Fmsbnry , thai if he would furnish him with the evidence to show that any

      persens were conspiring together to do a public mischief , he shonld immediately -feel it to be his dniy to see , first , whether ' -that which was imputed was a crime , and next whether it could be brought home to them —( hear , hear ) . All he had done was this—where crime was imputed , it was fairiy stated aad folly proved , and when it could not be fu ! iy proved , the prosecution was abandoned . He might , now caJi the attention of the House to the address of the delegates which had appealed in the Northern Star of Saturday , Angnsi 20 . There had been forty delegate assembled , and very nearly every onb of them spoke , the regulation being that no one was to ^ peak more than five minutes—Qanghter ) ;—and be would advise the Hon . Member in his reply not to

      take up more than two minutes . They had a shorthand writer present , who supplied them with an account of the * pteches that were made . Now he begv-d to say that in the pocketof Brook , one of the Drisoners—and he wished to call the attention of Hoo . Members to this fact—in hiB pocket was found a short note of the debate—it was like a little memorandum of -what had passed , and it , in every respect , bore out the statement of what , perhaps , the Hon . Member -would call fa the renegade" shorthand writer . He wonld tell the Hon . Member that that persoa was not ihere as " a spy . " It was not the toTermnent who had * ent Mm there ; but he afterward . " volunteered and expressed a desire to give information . He , for one , had not the slightest objeeaon to receive the statement of such a personhe . might hare broken faith with those with wh ^ m no faith engbt to be kept—( hear , hear , from Mr .

      DnncombeO He said that if persona met together for the purposes of treason , ox what was approaching * o treason , asd that those who joined with them wew to regard themselves as bound by moral feelings , or that no sense of public d » tj—bo feeling as to the public danger—was to induce them to repair the wrong they had been once willing to do , and to Sake to compensation for their guilt , then , he said , if sueh a rule were laid down there would be no safety for iooievy where saoh conspiracies existed , and such mnlawful combinations were to be fonnd —( hear ) , — This . short-hand writer was confirmed bj Brooks as to the speech of Cooper , and that he was sorry to he obliged to refer to , as the man was now on his trial ; but it was essential that the House should know , by means of that speech , -what the parties meant by this address , for that speech left it no longer * a matter of doubt , nor evtn of surmise ,

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      much less of suspicion . Cooper appealed to God that the time was come when the people ought , to be represented—that now the people should be pre » pared to fight , and he was prepared to fight , he the danger what it might , and the consequences to him * self what they could be . ( Hear , hear . ) Men who were on their trial were present when that scene occurred , and when Cooper made that statement , and no one turned him out of the meeting—no one denounced hint . He believed that he had been cheered—that his spirit had been praised , as well as tho manliness of his declaration , and on the following day the placard , which he had read for them , was posted all over Manchester , and not Icbb than seventeen different mobs were endeavouring to carry

      the Charter and make it the law of the land . He had next to refer to an address , which appeared in the paper helongicg to the body—to the Northern Star of the 20 th of August . This address observed that that strike , which was intended to effect a repeal of the Corn Law , had been made to sustain the Charter , and it conolnded by counselling these engaged in the strike in abstaining from all destruction of life and property . He admitted that there had been a very remarkable abstinence from the wanton injury of property , and the wanton attack upon life . It was not the first time that he had done homage to the spirit that prevailed at that time—it was not characterised by violence ; but then it was his duty , also , to show what were the

      intentions of-the parties . They said , " we-will haTe the Chartt-r we mean to go from town to town , and from mill to mill , to turn out their workmen ; and if they do not come out , then we will make them . " It might indeed be said , as it was said by the defendants and their counsel on their behalf , that all thf 7 meant to do , whilst they preserved property and abstained from an attack on life , that peaceably they might have a general suspension of labour , and that such would have the desired effect . And yet those who said this had pnblished paragraphs , which showed that he had put a just construction on their conduct . Uuder the head © f Chorley , it was mentioned that 8 , 000 men had entered the town , and succeeded in stopping all the work in two hours ,

      that a great number had gone to Preston , aad stopped all the mills—that in Bingley , several thousands had stopped all the milk , without any difficulty , there being no protective force ; that every thing was quite at a stand-still , and nothing was 10 be seen but the families of ihe nnemployeci workmen going through the streets . Similar statements were made from Stafford , Manchester , Dewsbmy , Halifax , Leeds , Hudderafield , and other places ; in theso places , whsre there was no protective force to jfuard the mill-owners , everything was obliged to yield to the demands of the mob . Under these circumstances , he asked , was it possible for them to doubt , but that the persons engaged in these violent proceedings were doing ihat which was nothing short of high treason—( hear ) If the conduct of these men did not amount to high treason , he was unaware of the proper meaning of the term . They were engaged in a great

      combination , a combination carried on by means of intimidation and violence . They went from place to place intending , by that intimidation , force , and violence , to produce great changes in the laws and constitution of the country . Suoh conduct did amount to treason—( hear , hear . ) Bnt what was the course taken by tho government ! It was , in the first instance , to institute inquiries , and whtre individuals were fonnd actively eDgaged in these combinations , to arrest them . In the first place there was arrested Leach , and afterwards Turner , the printer of the placard which he had referred to , and the person at whose house the address of the executive council had be < n corrected . Could they have been passed by ? If the prosecution had been for high treason , Leach must have been arrested . And be must refer much of the apparent sevtrity of the magistrates to an impression very generally abroad that the offence which had been committed

      was high treason , and that it was likely that government would deal with it as each . But government determined otherwise . They thought that it would be better to adopt the most mild and moderate coarse—to sansf j those persons who were minded to obey the law that they shonld be protected by the law , and , as far as possible , to assure those who had broken the law that they were liable to pnnishment , and that some of them , at all events , should not eseape—( hear , hear ) . With respect to th « conduct pursued towards Leach , he had been astonished to hear the statements of the Hon . Gentleman opposite . The Hon . Gentleman had said that , whether that man ' s conduct was illegal or not , these was tvo evidence to prove it ; and , finally , that the charge had been

      abandoned againBt him : and Leach himself stated " That your petitioner appeared at Liverpool , when the first charge npon which your petitioner was arrested was to be tried , and after suffering thirteen days ' confinement under the circumstances mentioned the indictment against your petitioner was abandoned , and , a * he believes , from a knowledge the prosecutor had that his witnesses were most grossly and foully perjured , and that your petitioner had ample means to prove them so . " He ( the Attorney-General ) did not know whether the witnesses had been perjured or not , bat he knew this , that in Liverpool the indictment was found upon which Leach appeared at Lancaster and so far trom the charge having been -abandoned , he was

      convicted on the clearest evidence . It was admitted by himself that the placard had been proved to have b * en ttuck up on hia house . It was also proved that it was at his house that M'Douall had corrected the proof when the placard was printed ; and it w& ? also proved by one of the books , respecting the taking away of which a speci al complaint was made , that Leach was one of tho members of the Executive Council—( hear , hear . ) He was sorry to detain the House so long with these details , but the Honourable Member for Finsbury had made special complaints with reference to the treatment experienced by the petitioners . F . rst there was White , who hid been convicted before Mr . Baron Gurney . He was the first person named in the motion . Then there was Brook who-was convicted at Lancaster , and who

      was proved to have had in hiB possession the minutes of the meeting of the Chartist delegates . Next came Leach , a member of the Executive Committee , and chairman of that body—then Haroey , one of the delegates , who had been also convicted . There were also Brown and Robinpon , and Allisson , who had been identified as the chairman of a Charti > t meeting—these were all the persons he had to do with . He might mention here that the paper of resolutions of delegates which he had read , was signed by Harney at the bottom . But to continue—these persons were all who had been convicted , and sentence had not yet been passed . They wero to appear on the first day of the term to receive the judgment of the Court of Queen ' s Beach for the offences of which they had been found guilty . And this was the time which the Hon . Member

      for Finsbury selected for making a charge against the magistrates who had committed these men . It would be safer for the public peace , and much better for the offenders themselves—it would be much more constitutional , and in accordance with the discreet exercise of the nndoubted powers of this House , if the motion for inquiry had been postponed until it had appeared in what way the Judge and Jury deliberating upon it bad decided Cooper ' s case , and also until the Conrt of Queen ' s Bench had disposed of the persons awaiting its sentence—( hear , hear ) . Uuder these circumstances , he must say that , having the means of showing that the offence was actually committed —an offence which did appear to him to be one of

      the most high and the most grave of any known to the law—he must Eay that he was not surprised at the severity of the interference complained of as having been exercised by the magistrates . So far as he knew , these gentlemen had done no more than was their strict and absolute duty under the peculiar and painful circumstances in which they were placed —( hear , hear ) . He thought it bnt right to mention one thing more : so far from the parties complaining having been dealt with with extraordinary severity on the part of Government , he was not sure but that personal complaint ought to be made against himself for the part which he had taken m the trials , th&t that complaint might be really made against him on the part of those whom he represented there , as

      haviff seareely exhibited that degree of severity which in such cases it was proper to enforce . He assured the House that he made this statement wiih reiDc : anee ; but the facts were these : —It appeared to him of the greatest importance that , having found ior ; y eight delegates exciting and urging the working men to continue their unlawful proceedings , to persevere in a course of violence and intimidation —it did , he repeated , appear to him that it was proper that they and the public should know that those who advised crime , when that crime was executed , should be put on a similar footing with its perpetraiors ; and it therefore seemed to him to be necessary to indict those parties—the advisers and the perpetrators together—to show that af er the

      commitment of the crime the former were amenable for its consequences , and liable to the same indictment under which the actual perpetrators , were charged . But in adopting that coarse fee was necessarily compelled to abandon—and he did it with reluotancethe charges made separately against the leaders of these misguided men—charges , which , if proved , would have subjected them to far more severe punisbmtnt than did those upon which they were actually tried . The offence which they had actuallj been convicted of ms conspiracy , as offence punishable by fine et imprisonment , but by nothing more , fto such nodes of extra punishment as the treadmill

      could be resorted to in inch cases ; bnt whilBt he w » b proBeeutinx individuals , many of whom occupied stations of considerable respectability—for he admitted the respectability of Scholefield , who had a ehapel ; Leech , who was a bookseller j Turner , the printer , and some others—he thought it rightk while prosecuting these men , to put their names into the same indictment as that under which was ranked the nwneB of the working men , to give them all a common trial and a comnion fate , and thus , so far from being exposed to a greater degr » e of harshness by this mode of proceeding , the effect of it was that the iadictmentwas earned by writ of certiorari to the Court of Queen ' s Bench , aBd that the

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      prisoners were thus liberated from prison , in order to enable them to appear , and that all recognizinces were immediately at an end . At this moment the parties in question were under no recog !? nizance to appear before the Court of < iSen Bench—( hear , hear ) . Could suoh a course be spoken of as a harsh one—( hear , hear ) ! Or , what right had the parties to complain , when , detebted in the commission of an offence of the gravest aspect —of-one which threatened the maintenance of ithe public peace , they had yet , instead of being indicted for high treason , been only tried for the minor offence of creating unlawful combinations and assemblies } yet , forsooth , these men , when it was thought necessary to bring them to trial , were 10 turn round

      and say , as Turner did , " You have already tet ' me off ; you have declared that the publication of the placard was no offence at all ; " or as another man had said , " Why , you only try me for conspiracy at last . " Yes , it was true they were onl y triedjfor conspiracy ; but the crime of which they were guilty was that of high treason . —( Hear , hear . ) He thought that there was no foundation for the motion , so-far as he was able to appreciate the ground ? on which it was made ; and oe must say , in the language of the Noble Lord , the Member for the Gity of London , th ^ t without in the slightest degree questioning the power of the House to institute an inquiry like the one sought for , and to make the most searching inquisition into the misconduct aad

      bad motives—if there existed misconduct and bad motives—on the part of any Government—yet that for the House to accede to the motion before them would be to encourage all those who were banded together to violate the law , and afford the greatest discouragement to all those who wore disposed to admit its sway , and join in paying to it a quiet and peaceable obedience . —( hear , hear . ) Mr . PiK 4 « GTON called the attention of the House to the statement of the Honourable Gentleman opposite with reference to the magistrates of Dudley . The Honourable Gentleman , in talking of Mt . Badger and Mr . Cartwright had stated that they bad been guilty of conspiring with ihe Lord-Lieutenant against tho liberties of the people , and

      that they were therefore unfit to hold the commission of the peace . Now , he would say , that he knew no gentlemen more fit in every respect to hold the commission of the peace , or more fitted in every respect to do their duty with propriety and advantage than the gantlcmtn aiiuded to . What had been the nature of the charge against them 1 In point of strict law , they were certaiuly guilty in refusing bail upon the ground on which they accepted it . But the persons aggrieved had appealed to law—they had applied to the Court of Queen ' s Bench for a criminal information against the magistrates , and what was the result ! The Honourable Member for Fiusbury had already moved for and obtained the papers connected

      with the case . He ( Mr . rakrogton , had ; a copy [ of the judgment pronounced , and he would read a passage bearing upon the subject before the House : —** The complaint is not that workmen assembled to devise means to bettering their condition , but that others took advantage of their quarrels with their masters , and finding vast numbers unemployed , ignorant aud disaffected , sought to incite them to every Rind of outrage . Not that the discussion of public grievances had been intemperately conducted , but that tumultuous assemblies rendering all discussion impossible , led to speeches and conduct which must have been expected to lead to violence , outrages , outbreaks , coufiicts with the lawful authorities , almost certainly to bloodshed , and very probably to universal pillage . Whether or not these meetings having been held in

      the immediate neighbourhood of Dudley is of small importance ; they had boen held in other quartern , producing their natural results , and were rapidly extending- It is sworn that near Dudley , in a population of half a million , persons were expectiug to follow this example , and in this state of things the meeting in question was announced , . It wae observed on the argument , that kw deeds of violence were actually committed in that district , and those by no means of a formidable character : if that be so , we have no doubt , when we regard the materials and the instruments of mischief that were preparing , that that circumstance is to be ascribed to the vigilunce , the spirit , and real humanity with which the magistrates enforced the

      law , as her Majesty ^ proclamation enjoined them . We think they are entitled to the gratitude of their Sovereign and the country for their conduct , and we are of opinion that they would have deserted their duty if they had not committed O'Neill for trial for the part he was proved to have taken at the meeting , which they most proptrly dispersed on the 20 ih of August . " The Hon . Gentleman continued—Yet in spite of all this the Hon . Goulleman opposite said that the magistrates should be dismissed from the commission . He was aware that an error bad beon committed by them , but the opinion which had led them to commit it , they honestly entertained , and if they did entertain a doubt oa the stringency of tho law on the subject , there were good groundB for

      making them believe that uader existing circumstancesin the peculiar position of the country at the timethey were consulting the public safety by not taking bail from persons connected with those who were agitating and disturbing the country . The application to the Court of Queen ' s Bench , was dismiBbcd , on the ground that although the magistrates had committed a legal error , yet that at tho time they had uo idea of perpetrating any injustice —( hear , hear ) . As soon as it became known in the district to which these gentlemen belonged , that : the Hon . Member lor Finsbury intended to come before the House of Commons with . a complaint relative to their conduct , a public meeting was held , and he held in hia hand a copy of the address voted at that

      meeting to Messrs . Cartwright and Badger . Tho Hon . Member proceeded to read the address . It acknowledged the deep and lasting Bense of obligation felt by the meeting to the magistrates , to the military and yeomanry , and stated that the preservation of the life and property of those signing the document was mainly attributable to their exertions . He need only add that this address was signed by 135 of the most respectable bankers and merchants of the town of Dudley , and at the h ^ ad of the list be observed the name of Lord Ward—( hear , hear ) He himself had been present at many of the conferences held between the magistrates

      and the Lord Lieutenant of the county , and had never witnessed more temperance , combined with judicious firmness , than he had seen manifested upon those occasions—< hear ) . This was notj he believed , the first occasion on which the Honourable Gentleman opposite had been unlucky in tho selectiou of a course to be adopted . It was a very poor return to men who had , in a great crisis , discharged their duties wiih zeal and with great activity —it was a poor return to such men , for a Member of the House of Commons to stand up and attempt to hold them up to publio scorn , and to reproach them for conduct for which they were well entitled to public gratitude—( cheers . )

      Mr . Fielden was almost inaudible for several sentences , and was very imperfectly beard throughout . He was understood to reprobate theconduot of the Dudley Magistrates in refusing to take bail—a degree of severity which had given an impression to the public mind that the persons aggrieved had been most unfairly treated . He bad heard it alleged that the Government had treated the rioters with leniency , but surely that was no argument for the magistrates being allowed to treat them with a degree of severity for which there was no necessity . What were the circumstances under which the disturbances broko out ? Their petitionsand remonstrances to the House had long been treated with contemptthe House which ought to have protected them would

      do nothing for them . They considered themselves aggrieved and neglected . The Attorney-General had stated that the movtmenihod not originated with- 'the Chartists . It was at first a question of wages and of work . Many were out of employment , and those who were in work were labouring at such reduced wages that starvation was staring them in tho lane . There was one case brought before the House which was of a peculiarly distressing nature . ( Wo understood the Hon . Member to refer to the case of White ^) Was this proper treatment of a man , who , au he had no bad intention , ou ^ ht to have been put dewn With all possible humanity 1 And after all , continnod he , what has been the conduct of these men , that they sh ' ould be so unequivocally condemned f What is

      the grand object for which they combined ? . To obtain a voice in the making of the laws—( hear . ) I have seen a great many movements in my days for the purpose of obtaining some share in the government of the country , and the men who joined in and led them used language just as exciting as any imputed to these men . And these , be it always recollected , were workingtoen . What does Leach say ? This , let me observe , was a man of excellent character . 1 never ( leard a word to his disparagement . He is a Chartist , it is true , and as such must be called and treated as a criminal . But what is his defence ? "We are charged , " said he , * 'with wishing to destroy machinery . Why should we destroy the work of our own hands ! But this much I maintain—that it ia our duty to take care that machinery does not destroy us . " In fact , he maintained nothing more than that it was necessary to shorten the hours of factory labour , bo as to make it

      compatible with the life and comforts of the working people—so as to enable their children to receive that education which you now so loudly urge on Parliament as essential to the salvation of the country —( bear , hear . ) How could you expect anything else but some civil convulsion , when yon invariably denied all redress of the grievances of the people , and then crowned your humane consideration for their wants by passing the new Poor Law I If you had never passed that law , we should nerer have heard of an outbreak in the North . Is it notpreposterouB to" deny the working men all legitimate means of obtaining relief , and , when they furiously break out into acts of insubordination , to justify the conduct of magistrates , which , in my opinion , was clearly unjustifiable ? I was myself a witness of some of these proceedings . A large multitude of these working men came over to the works of myself and brothers . But before they arrived , Mr . Taylor , Mr . CroEshy , and an officer of dragoons , came to me

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      and assured me that if we wanted protection it should be afford . Those gentlemen said the mob was coming to pull : out the plugs and stop our works . The loader soon came up , as was the case in so many other places . I asked , " what is it you want ? " The reply was " we want twelve hours' wages for ten hours' work . " I said , " I am ready to aeree to that . " I then assured the Magistrates and officers that these men only wanted a reasonable change , which I was willing to concede ; and that as for the protection of my works , if my people were not able to preserve them , I should never appeal to the Magistrates and military . Well , they went through the vale and stopped the mills ; bat not a single offence did they commit against life , and not a single injury did they

      commit against property . When they arrived at Halifax , however , they met the troops , and then ensued that heart-rending scene which has been described . Why , it is . notorious in Halifax that the representation which my Hon . Friend has given is true . No person doubts the faqt of the man being phot in the manner desoribed . And such severity as this is attempted to be defended , instead of your calmiBg the public mind by assuring the people that you will listen to their complaints , and use your utmost efforts to redress them . I think it would be a much better course if the House endeavoured , by the appointment of a Committee or some other means , to ascertain whether the people had not reason to complain , and pledged itself to the most strenuous i Sorts to remove the evils which afflict the great mass of the community . But if the people are to be left in their present condition , and to be treated in the manner which they have been , I say then you must

      prepare for another insurrection , as the time is not far distant when the people must be again driven to violence . The labouring people must be supported . They must live by their labour , or you mu 9 t supply them with the means of subsistence—( hoar , hear . ) It is an old Baying that " hunger will break through stone walls ; " and though you may trample on a hungry peogle Once or twice , at last you will find their power too great for you . I should recommend this House , then , not to delay turning its attention to the real state of the working classes , and doing something to remove the prejudices which prevail in their minds against the governing power . Depend upon it no decision of this House can put down the organization which has been formed for the obtaining of Universal Suffrage , Annual Parliaments , aud the Vote by Ballot . He thought the people ought to persist in their demands . He would support tho motion with much pleasure .

      Mr . W . Patten defended the Magistrates , and thought the motion unsubstantiated . Lord Francis Egekton then rose to defend his own conduct in the matter of the Preston butchery . Of course be was quite sure that it was absolutely necessary for the soldiers to Sre upon the people , and that the magistrates who ordered them 10 do so were the very pink of humanity . Mr . G . Wood felt it a duty ( connected as he had been with the proceedings of the magistracy in the Manchester districts ) , to bear his testimony upon this occasion—( hear . ) The charges that had been made were substantially , that the magistrates had refused bail in some instances , and demanded heavy bail in others , and that the prisoners had

      experienced great discomfort in confinement . As to the length of the remands , they were longer certainly than in ordinary cases , but not from any deuire to make them longer than was absolutely n « ressary . As to the refusal of bail , undoubtedly , before the examinations woro completed , and before the magistrates knew the nature of the charges that might be made , they did not think it expedient to admit to bail . As to the wisdom of this course , he was perfectly ready to abide by tht > deoision of the House ; his own impression was in its favour . Then as to the excessive bail , —it was in some cases required to be large ; ho felt anxious himself , under the circumstances , on whioh he communicated with the magistracy ; but when it was considered that it had been by uo means

      certain that some of the prisoners had not rendered themselves liable for charges of high treason , he thought the House would agree that it was no more than wise and prudent to exact such bail as , without being too excessive , should secure their appearance to answer to the laws of their country . —( hear , hear . ) With regard to the question of discomfort , it was certainly to be regretted that persons who . in law , were to be deemed innocent until found guilty , should be subject to any unnecessary hardship while under detention : but some degree of hardship had been absolutely unavoidable ; for the gaols had been so crowded that ( the weather being hot ) some danger was apprehended of disease , and the prison was whitewashed . JEvery effort , however , had been made

      to render the inconvenience as small as posmble under this enormous influx of prisoners . With respect to the motion itself ( continued the Hon . Member , after a short pause ] I have ) personally , no objection to it . ( A triumphant cheer from Mr . Duncombe—hearty laughter from Mr . Wakley , and ironical cries of ' hear , hear , " from the House Renerally , ) because I have no objection to inquiry , either into the conduct of the magistrates or my own —( laughter and ironical cheers . ) I must guard myself against being supposed to admit there has beenmadeoutanyground for icquiry— ( loud laughter ) or that there Has been shown any just ground of complaint on the part of the petitioning prisoners—Coud laughter and " hear hear , ' ) all of whom , 1 believe , have been found guilty of participating in the unlawful proceedings—( heap , hear ) More partioulary as to the conduct of Mr . Foster and Mr . Maude , I feel bound to declare that they are held in

      the highest esteem by men of all parties ; and I believe that the imputations involved in this caption will not meet with the tsmallect support— ( great laughter and ironical cheers . ) Colonel Rolle-ton ( who spoke in a most inaudible tone ) said the serious charges of the Hon . Mover were not worthy of the slightest credit ; and that it was well known the conduct of the magistracy had not deserved the imputations directed against them ; but , on the contrary , had been justified in their proceedings by the dangerous incendiary language which had been employed at the public meetings . ( Hear , hear ) The outbreak was not confined to persons belonging either to the town of Nottingham or the county of Nottingham , but amongst the mob were persons fro < a Derbyshire and other places , whioh piainiy showed that it was of a most serious nature , and that the magistrates were perfetly justified in taking strong measures for its suppression in the first instance .

      Captain Berkeley said , it was an injustice to tho gentlemen whose names were brought forward that this inquiry should not be granted ; and for that reason , he should support the motion of his Hon . Friend . Mr . Brothertoh defended the conduct of the Magistrates and r / olice of Manchester . Lord ir- 'GESTRiE spun a long yarn chiefly from the affidavits of themselves in defence of the Staffordshire " Shallows . " He admitted that they had committed an error , but he thought they deserved the gratitude of the country .

      Mr . R . Scott supported the motion . The conduct of the magistrates in many of the cases alluded to had been , m his opinion , most unwarrantable . He knew it to be a fact , that on the morning appointed for the trial of O'Neill , the Chartist preacher , because there happened to be a crowd in the street , without the slightest appearance of tumult , the Magistrates went to the windows of the Court- house , where they had assembled for judicial business , and read the Riot Act . In another instance , a person of the name of Cooke had been arrested for exhibiting a placard printed by ONeillj , in which there was nothing seditious or improper , and actually brought to trial on an indictment for stopping the Queen ' s highway , by putting a bill in his window , winch the people bad been induced to read . Surely in these

      cases , the liberty of the subject had bien grossly violated . Tfie Attorney-General had given no answer to the charges brought forward by the Hon . Member for Finsbury . The Hon . and Learned Gentleman said these were not cases for enquiry by the House , but for indictments or aoiions at law ; but although the parties aggrieved might proceed in each case , and obtain damages in a court of law , it was only by an inquiry before that House that all the cases could be fairly investigated , and the general conduct of the magistrates fairly ascertained . In matters of discretion he was willing to allow tho magistrates every latitude , but when they proceeded to breaches of the law , and gross invasions of the liberty of the subject , instead of preserving the public peace , it wa ? the duty of that House strictly and impartially to inquire into their conduct .

      Sir J . Graham wished , before the debate closed , to address a very few words to the House . The Hon . Gentleman who had just sat down would , he believed , be alone in the opinion that his Hon . and Learned Friend the Attorney General had made an unaatist ' aotory reply to the speech of the Hon . Member for Finsbury . He would say with confidence , that a more full , complete , spirited , and satisfactory answer had never been given to any charge than by his Hon . and Learned Friend tonight—( hear , near , hear ) . Hig Hon . and Gallant Friend , the Member for Glooester , had truly stated that all the facts of this case had been completely disposed of . The allegations of the Hon . Member for Finsbury had been dealt with seriatim by gentlemen on both sides of the House competent to give evidence on each of the charges . The Man Chester case had been disposed of by his Hon . and

      Learned Friend the Attorney-General ; the Dudley case had also been satisfactorily disposed of , notwithstanding what had since fallen from the Hon . Gentleman who had just sat down , by hie Hon . Friend the Member for Droitwitch ; there did net remain unanswered a single statement which had been made by the Hon . Member for Finsbury . The judgment" of the Court of Queen ' s Bench had been relied on . It was vastly well for the Honourable Member for Walsall to say that charges of thii * kind should be investigated by tho House of Commons , but that case had already been carefully investigated , and sifted to the very bottom , by the highest tribunal of the country . It had been heard before a single judge , Mr . Justice Patteson . He long hesitated whether he should grant a criminal information . The first inclination of his mind was not to grant it , but for the purpose of having a

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      most important question sifted thoroughly , he consented to grant a rule . It came on upon motion before the Court of Queen's Bench . The case was fnlly argued , and the judgment of tho Court was pronounced in the terms read by his Hon . Friend the Member of Droitwioh , He would not weary the House by quoting the precise expressions . It was true that costshad been awarded , but on the express ground ,, as stated by the Chief Justice , that the magistratea were wrong in their law . The rule being that no criminal information should be granted by the Court where the animus of the magistrates was held to be pure , the Chief Justice stated that the magistrates had to act in circumstances of great publio dauger ; it being the opinion of the Court

      that they had acted in the midst of that danger firmly , honestly , with the purest and best intentions , they positively refused to grant a criminal information ; at the same time it being admitted that the magistrates were wrong in law , coats , as he had said , were awarded . Where , then , was the necessity for investigating this matter before a select committee ! The law and the details had already been fully cleared up by the highest tribunal in the country . Hut , said the Hon . Member for Fin&bury , the magistrates were dismissed with censure by the Court of Queen ' s Bench . He positively denied that . So far from imputing censure , the concluiingsentence of the judgment gave praise to the magistrates . The Chief Justice said , " The opinion of these magistrates was

      hastily adopted , in a crisis of real danger , and most probably from deference to a general resolution . This induces uf , in conformity with the rule by which this court has regulated its practice , to decline interfering by a criminal information , and we discharge the rule ; but m the conduct of the magistrates was such as to justify tbo application , they must pay the costs . " He repeated his assertion that with respect to the animus which dictated tho proceeding of these magistrates , the Court of Queen ' s Bench , so far from censuring them , discharged them without ) any imputation upon their conduct . In poiat of law they were undoubtedly wrong , and

      they were therefore ordered to pay the costs . With respect then to the Dudley case , there was no reasou for instituting an investigation before a committee of that House . There might have been some doubt whether ; , cons dering the circumstances , that the applicants entertained strong political opinions and wero connected with a violent political movement , the refusal to take bail was or was not justifiable by law . Hlis apprehension of the law always led him to believe that the decision of the Dudley magistrates was improper ; and any doubt which had existed on the subject had been cleared up by the judgment ia the case . It was needless to refer to the three cases whioh had been tried at

      Lancaster . The petitioners were , first , the printer of a placard which the Attorney-General had pronounced to bo a document which , if not treasonable in its character , might be considered as bordering on the very verge of treason , when coupled with the overt aots which had been committed , and this person pleaded guilty . The second petition was from the Chairman of tho Executive Council from which this placard emanated , and who was convicted ; and the , third petitioner , who was acquitted , was an individual in whose chapel were held { the meetings of ( this Executive Council , by whom the dangerous and seditious , if not treasonable , placards issued . . So much , then , for the Lancaster and Dudley cases . He now came to the case affecting

      the Hon . Member for the county cf Nottingham , ( Col . Rblleston ) , who had given a most clear and distinct { explanation to the Howe ; and they must remember that this statement did not res ' , on any doubtful authority , but that the Hon . Gentleman was himself a witaeas of all the transactions referred to in the petition . The House must bear iu mind that though , iu this instance , one Jury tried all the cases—though all the prisoners were included in the same indictment , and were arraigned together , and pleaded , to rhat indictment conjointly—in order to afford them a more fair trial , and to give them an opportanity of separate justification , they were classified an ; d tried separately . One Ju »* y . however , had them in charge ; they pleaded to this Jury ; and his

      Hon . Friend had no choioe , for the only course he could pursue was to try them by one Jury . Then an imputation had been thrown upon his Hon . Friend , that he was the committing magistrate , and had also presided at the trial ; but a more -monstrous proposition could not be advanced than that it was not competent to a magistrate to commit a person for tri $ ! i and then to preside at the trial of such person at the quarter sessions . The committal was made upon an es parte statement , and the magistrate was called upon to consider whether there was ground for placing the accused upon trial ; but , when the prisoner was tried by a jury , the magistrate heard not only the accusation but the defence . It was , indeed , a case of every day occurrence that a

      magistrate , having committed on an ex parte statement , jwas , at the sessions , favourable to the acquittal of the prisoner . He ( Sir J . Graham ) had long had the pleasure of an intimate acquaintance with the Hon . Member for Finsbury ( Mr . T . Duncombe ) , ! who had brought forward this motion . During j his ( Sir J . Graham ' s ) absence from the House last night , at the close of the discussion in Committee of Supply , the Hon . and Gallant Member for Marylebone ( Sir C . Napier ) made an observation which struck him as being extremely just . Tb Hon . Gentleman said that monomania was . the order of the day ( laughter ) , and he illustrated the remark by an allusion to tho Hou . and gallant officer the Member ! from Brighton , observing that whenever the Poor Laws were mentioned , that Hon .

      Gentleman— 1 Captain Pechell ( interrupting ) . —The Hon . Member for Marylebone referred to an Hon . Gentleman behind you . ( Laughter . ) Sir J . | Graham . —Whenever the Poor Laws were mentioned , the Hon . and Gallant Member for Brighton seemed always to have in his mind ' s eye that terrestrial paradise—that Gilbert Union in West Sussex 4 ( . a laugh )—which the Hon . Gentleman painted in such glowing colours , and to which be had extended his especial protection . ( Laughter . ) When an Assistant Poor Law Commissioner- was mentioned , the mind of the Hon . Member for Knaresborough ] ( Mr- Ferrand ) was haunted by images of Mr . Mott , and by recollections of the K ighley Union

      —( a laugh)—and he indulged the House with a detail of the oppression to which the poor in the north of England were exposed . He had always considered that the Hon . Member for Finsbury ( Mr . T . Duncombe ) was a gentleman of strong understanding , that his mind was unclouded by any vulgar prejudices —( loud laughter)—but it appeared to him that the Hon . Member was not quite free from monomania—( a ( laugh . ) That Hon . Gentleman seemed to be haunted with the idea that all the Judges were necessarily wrong in their decisions , —that all Magistrates were monsters of tyranny and oppression , — that juries could not properly perform their duties , and that Chartists were the brightest examples of innocence ^ aiid purity , and kindness . ( Laughter . ; This was the extraordinary delusion under which the

      Hon . Member seemed to be labouring . At that eventful period , at the commencement of last Autumn , to which such frequent reference had been madeto-night , he ( Sir James ) had , amidst much peril , and anxjety , an opportunity of forming a judgment as to the manner jin which the magistrates of this country discharged their dut es ; and he would be betraying his trubt , if he neglected to state to the House that , if happily this kingdom then escaped the imminent and serious danger of an insurrection of a most formidable character , widely spread , and threatening not ! only property but life—if this country escaped ; such danger without much loss of "life , without ! the infliction of serious injury upon property , its escape was mainly attributable to the support ] which her Majesty ' s Government received

      from the magistracy —( hear , aud cheers . ) It might be invidious to allude to any particular instances , but two { had already been referred to by the Hon . Member for Finsbury—those of the Lords-Lieutenant of the Counties of Stafford and Worcester . The . Lord-Lieutenant of Staffordshire was not here at the commencement of tho disturbances ; but the Lord-Lieutenant of Worcestershire was in town at that period , and at his ( Sir J . Graham ' s ) request , at the short notice of two hours , that gentleman went down to his county to discharge his official duties for the preservation of the publio peace . It might , as he had before observed , be deemed invidious thus to allude to particular cases , but , as the Hon . Member ! for tinsbury had mentioned the Lords-Lieutenant for Staffordshire aud

      Worcestershire—Mr . T . Duncombe said he had referred only te the Lord-Lieutenant for Worcestershire ; Sir JJ Ghaham proceeded , —Very well ; then he would say , that from the commencement of these disturbaincts he had received no more active and efficientisupport from any individual for the maintenance of the public peace than had been rendered by the Lord Lieutenant of the county of Worcester . Various subjects had been mentioned during this discussion to which it would be unnecessary t ' ur him to advert , but he felt it his duty to refer to one point which had been touched upon by the Hon . Member for Finsbury . That Hon . Gentleman had asserted—^ and as a military man he must have made the statement with great pain and hesitation—that liquor w » s given to the soldiers at Halifax , that they were intoxicated before they were called upon to aot , and that a breach of military discipline ensued . 7

      Now , until the Hon . Member made this assertion , he ( Sir J . Graham ) bad never beard such a charge mentioned , either in that House or out of it ; and , with all respect for the Hon . Oentleman , he must declare that he oould not place credit in the statement . I The officer in command of the district in which Halifax was situated was a gentleman of the highest j merit and of extensive exp « rienoe , —an officer who maintained among the troops the strictest discipline—General Brotherton ; at the head of j the army of this country was an officer pre-eminently distinguished by his military talents , but in no respect more distinguished than by his invariable , never-flinching determination to maintain the most severe discipline ; and he ( Sir J . Graham ) was perfectly satisfied that , if any such accusation as that which had been advanced by the Hon . Member for Finsbury could . have been substantiated , it would not have rexuaiued a secret until this

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      time ; but the military authorities would have instfc luted a most strict investigation on the subject The Hon . Member , with respect to his allusion to . the case of Preston , had received an answer upon matters of fact so conclusive , that it tended to throw some shadow of doubt upon his allegation as to tha occurrence ? at Halifax . The Hon . Gentleman had also expressed doubts as to whether the , troops were justified in acting with decision at Blackburn . U was a disgrace to thi 3 country to admit—bnt the fact showed the lamentable and dangerous extent to which the insurrection had spread—thai , for two 07 three days during the month of August , the town of Blackburn might be considered as in a state of tieg © . The troops dnist not -venture in small bodies beyond the precints of the town ; mobs of 12 . 000 or 13 dm

      persons entered the place from the neighbourinff districts ; the authorities interposed , and several prisoners were apprehended , and when they were about to be removed an attempt was made to rescue them . —( Mr Duncombe here expressed dissent ) He ( Sir J . Graham ) said , an attempt was decidedi ? made at a rescue . The Hon . Gentleman said that the troops were so pressed , that when they fired the * were within two yards of the crowd , ana he qae / . tioned the humanity of the proceeding , ou the ground that they did not use the bayonet instead of tha musket . Could anybody then doubt what was the situation of the troops at this crisis , when it was seated that this band only consisted of thirty men !

      That being the case it must be evident that they wero in imminent danger , pressed as they were on every side by an immense multitude ; nevertheless , until the order was given not a shot was fired , and when they did fire , in order to prevent as much as possible any unnessary loss of life , they fired by single file until at length , having kept perfect order , they wet ^ enabled to retreat , although they were so mucn pres . sed by numbers , evincing , he was sorry to say , contrary to the usual character of English mobs , amostsaHguia . ary disposition , and armed with dangerous weapons , One of the Hon . Members for Finsbury ( Mr Wakley ) was a coroner . He would not , therefore . set up a committee of the House of Commons al

      more fit to try a question of this nature than a coroner ' s jury . But , in fact , there had been an inquest which had tried the question , and which , after a long investigation , returned a verdict of 4 t Justifiabl « homicide . " ( Hear , hear . ) Then with , respect to the conduct of the mayor—in hia ( Sir J . Graham ' s ) opinion , that magistrate ' s conduct was marked witk the utmost intrepidity ; he was present during thfi whole proceeding ; he took the command of tlj troops ; he did not order the firing until the dangei was pressing ; he stopped the firing the moment the danger was overcome ; and he ( Sir J . Graham ) waa bound to Eay that , in his opinion , by the good con . duct of that magistrate a verv great service hsi

      been performed . The military head of the troop ; was satisfied with his conduct ; the town was sati * fied ; and if he ( Sir J . Graham ) mistook not , he had beon presented with the thanks of his fellow towns , men for his conduct on that occasion . He had no * gone through the principal charges brought forward by the Hon . Gentleman , and he . must repeat tin question which had been bo forcibly put by his Hon , and Learned friend the Attorney General , and iu asked the House to consider how dangerous motiom of this kind were when brought forward under tha semblance of maintaining the administration tf justice , and when in reality they interfered wi ^ the due administration of justice , aud never mon

      so than on this occasion . A statement had be « g made by his Hon . and Learned Friend—it had beet wruug from him—of what was the conduct of om individual at Manchester , when the delegates btcks up , after having , completed the arrangements whici they had entered into by a conspiracy ; his Hon . aid Learned Friend had disclosed the speech which wj made by an individual who was then on his trial ii Stafford for his conduct on that occasion . Butthi persons in respect of whom this motion was maja were at that moment awaiting the judgment of tha Court of Queen ' s Bench , and the judges of that eoujj would shortly have to consider what their punish ment should be . It was most painful to his Hoi

      and Learned Friend , under such circumstances , it have to make statements which might have a tet < dency to aggravate the punishment of those individuals . The motion , however , led to this , andsj had a tendency to interfere with the administratioi of justice . On these grounds he thought it , with % Hon . Member for Kendal ( Mr . Q , W . Wood ) , * ' ! . timed ; " he though : it " not sustained f he thought ii " cast a stigma on the : magistrates or the oounrrj / In all this he fully concurred with the Hon . Memba for Kendal ; but he must say , that having received great aid from the Hon . Gentleman in his magisfc rial capacity , in the county of Lancaster , aM having had occasion to know that , as the Lord

      Chief Justice said , the magistracy did in tb main give their cordial support to the maintenanc 6 of law and the security of property still he must say that , having this feelug with respect to the conduct of the Hon . Member a a magistrate , and having received every assistant from him in his magisterial capacity , if anything could shake his confidence in the' firmness and judjp ment of the Hon . Member , he ( Sir J . Graham ) did wl say , ' tn his capacity as a magistrate , but as a Member of the House , it would be to find'him , after haviq ; declared that the motion was ill-timed and not sustained , and that it cast a stigma on the magistracy from some sensitive apprehension that his condui should be misunderstood , veting for it neverthela —( "hear , hear , " and laughter ) That he musfcar did strike him with astonishment , thought it coull

      not shake his respect for the Hon . Member ' s char « - ter ; ' but he did hope that other Hon . Membra thinking with the Hon . Member for Kendal , wow decisively mark their sense of this motion by putting the Hon . Member for Finsbury in a small minoritj , Mr . G . Wood said , that it was BoleJy on \ k ground that his own conduct was impeached by ffij motion that he voted for it . Mr . Mumz did not appprove of the conduct d these people ; he could not excuse their condtiSj but at the same time , if it were not for the judgmot of the Queen ' s Bench he could net excuse the condisi of the Dudley magistrates , when they acknowledpl that bail ought to be taken and yet refused to tji ) it from regard to the politics of the parties . If tb Queen ' s Bench had not shown these gentlemen tisi the magistrates could not do so with impunity , la should have voted for the motion ; as it was , i < should oppose it .

      Mr . V . Stuart had to state , on the part of-Sr Charles Shaw , that he was most anxious to fain an inquiry , and from his ( Mr . V . Stuart ' s ) acquiifr tanoe with that gentleman he must say he belief if an inquiry were granted , he would come ont ofi with honour to himself . Mr . Ainsworth , from his acquaintance mthfb circumstance , could say , of the magistrates of Proton , that their conduct was most exemplary in etaj trying and difficult circumstances . Captain Vivian said that the Hon . Membeife

      Finsbury ( Air . T . Duncombe ) had stated that & troops at Halifax bad been given drink , to mifa them do their duty . Now , here was no dqtys painful to a soldier as to have to suppress distil * bances in his native country , and he thought &f the House agreed , with him that no blame couHta cast on the troops for their conduct on that occaaA The Hon . Member ought to be more guarded ' t his language , because few things were likely » be more painful to a soldier ' s feelings than tbeiflputation tbe Hon . Member had made .

      Mr . T . Duncombe said , he only stated that & troops had acted under the orders of the magistrates , aud not that the troops were responsible ' * what occurred , and that a gentleman gave moiKji whioh mouey was spent in drink , which the-soM * had previous to their being called out and prewS to their acting . He had also stated , that in Bla * burn ale and cheese had been supplied by the it habitants to the soldiers beyond what friiey w " entitled to . Whether they had a right to do s » . | not , he was not disputing . But he must say tbafj had a very bad appearance , and was complaiBed * that the military previous to being called out show * in some places receive money , which they spent 11 intoxicating liquors , and in other ^ places rati $ beyond what they were entitled to . The Hon . MeniW for Birminghona seemed to think that bis ( Mr . D ^ combe ' s ) motion was directed against Messrs . Badj ^ and Cartwright , but that was a mistake . He '«»

      not want to inquire into their case . It had w ^ disposed of by the Queeu ' s Bench . The rule i » been dismissed , and they ordered to pay the MS * He repeated , therefore , that their conduct had W * censured by the Chief Justice of that Court , an « j » was surprised when the Right Hon . Baronet r ^» one portion of that Judge ' s opinion that he hadBj * also read that portion to which he ( Mr . Danconw had refcrrtd . ( Sir J . Graham— " You read it J& self . " ) There were then but few Members in ^ House , and he would read it again . The Hod . ikuiau having doue so , proceeded to observe , 'I * however some Honourable Members might tbjg those magistrates entitled to the confidence of •¦» House , his belief , founded on the opinions of W ™ Hale , Blackburne , and Denman , was , that tarj were guilty of and indictable for an offence ag *^ the liberty of the subject . The House might besw { Concluded in our first page .

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