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      tke following moniing » but it vu negatived by a luge majority . Hi . W > Beggs , Nottingham , ni received with cljeei * . Be stood there for no idle object , and for no trifling purpose . They saw thousands of their fellow men ground down to the lowest pitch of moral and physical debasement bj ela « legialatk > n , sod therefore , he thought the time bad come -when they ought to jgjeet their energies to deliver the people from tfee jujaery and the oppreerion by which they wen n » rounded—( bear , bear . ) When be first took op this movement , the principle ! « f radical reform were not in the ascendant . He bad been connected with the old poKtkal onions , and although at one time he contem-CgjUed devoting fcia time and energies te the promotion

      of temperance , and the spread of education , hii attention was at length directed Tery forcibly to the state o ( the people , and he aaw that there was no prospect whatever of obtaining political Justice , excepting by Living to theSa the franchise—( bear , hear . ) He therelore signed the declaration of Sir . Stnr * e , and he was anxious to see the Six Points involved is the bill , to pass into a law—{ hear , hear . ) Every day Impressed in a strong degree npon his attention the necessity of conceding that great meed of justice to the people . At £ < , £ last Conference many crotchets ¦ were in trod need , hut be rfjo : ced to say that the people were now more

      suited , and he believed that no opposition could prevent the Six Points being carried—( bear , bear , bear . ) Be had the same confidant reliance as he ever had that ¦ what was true would prevail , and that what was f ^ lse would perish , because it was the nature of troth to flowibh under the most discouraging circumstances , tad it "was the nature of error to destroy itself . —( bear , hear . ) He had eeen a Bill which bad been prepared for recognising the Six Points , and it became his duty to direct their attention to the four resolutions which were alluded to in the fourth paragraph of the programme . Mr . Beggs tfc&nreai the following resolution ! : —

      X . —That this Conference convened in csnforailty vita a resolution passed at the first Complete Suffrage Conference , held at Birmingham , April 4 th— 8 th , 1 842 , and having for its paramount object the consideration cC the necessary details of & bill embodying the principles then agreed upon . Tit : —The extension of the Suffrage to all male adults , not deprived of the righti of citizenship by a verdict of a jury of their countrymen—Tote by ballot—tonal electoral

      districts—abolition of a property qualification for members of Parliament—payment of members for their services—and SttcnaJ Porlisaents;—do now declare its adoption of these principles ; pledges itself to employ such means only far obtaiBfag the legislative recognition of them as rre of a strictly just , peaceful , legal , and constitutional character ; and will forthwith proceed to fulfil the mission with which it has been entrusted , resolved to support its thalnwa in preventing the introduction of any proposition not in accordance therewith .

      2 . —That as this Conference will resist the introduction of any topic not obviously relevant to its main design , ao it slao dincliumB all interference with existing organisations , recognising as it ? paramount duty , the arriving , if possible , at a cordial agreement in reference to the object towards which peaceful agitation may be directed . 3—That thii Conference , agreeable to resolution 17 , passed at the first Conference , is pn , pared to receive and to consider all documents whleb may be laid before it , and which may besapposed to contain an embodiment of the necessary details for working out the principles already recognised .

      4—Tbat the documents so to be presented to this Conference , be taken into consideration at the openi g of our next Session , by a Committee consisting of the whole body of the delegates ; and that the Committee be instructed to observe the following rnles : —1 . That the bill to be presented by the Council of the "National Complete Suffrage "Union , " be taken as the basis of diaerakHL 2 . That each clause as it is read shall be emridered jnri pass * , with the eoml&Uve clause of the two documents . 3 . That all amendments be handed to to the Chairman in writing .

      He might state that the Bill would occupy four hours In jeading—( Laughter )—bet he had read the Bill himself , and so far as be fu able to judge , the provisions appeared calculated to accomplish the object they had in view . —( hear , hear , and " no , " * " no . ';) He would sot then go into an abstract of the Bill , because it would come under- discussion at a future stage of the proceedings . He begged , therefore , to move the resolutions . Mr . Drsxop , of Glasgow , seconded the resolutioca , Mr . O'Connor asd Mr . Lovett rose at the came time , but the former gavb way , and

      Mr . Lovktt said , that previous » -o any amendment bans moved , he rose with considerable pain and toxietj to impress on their friend , Mr . Beggs , the necessity of withdrawing a portion of the fourth resolution , and to substitute other words—( hear , hear . ) The put that be wished to be-withdrawn , and which , for the sake of unanimity , he hoped Mr . Beg ^ s would consent u > do , was , ** that the bill to be presented by the Council of the National Complete Suffrage Asso ciation be taken » s the bass of discussion "—( hear . ) Be wished thfet Mr . Begga would substitute the words , " that the bill , or the document entitled the Peopled Charter , shall be considered as the basis of discusskm . "—( loud and prolonged cheering . )

      Impressed with the conviction , that the present object of tbe Complete Suffrage Union was to effect , if possible , a cordial union between the middle and the working classes , and not merely to conciliate one class mud neglect tbe-othar , be had Joined that onion . He had done bis best to promote that onion , believing that the great object they had in -new micht be accomplished , bat , at the same time , he had declared Ms opinion , that his definition of Complete Sofrage was founded on the People ' s Charter—( load cheers- ) Hs attended the last conference in Bir-SriBgham . and he impressed on the gentlemen then sasanbJed the necessity of going for the fall measure of just ' x , if they would have the great masses of th « -

      people along with them—( hear , hear . ) He was very hippy to find , that at that conference , although many persons came there strongly prejudiced against the Charter , yet tbe calm and rational manner in which the different points were discussed , convinced the gentlemen objecting of the propriety of the principles contained in that document , and one after another tbej were cordially and almost unanimously adopted —< hesr , btar . ) After the Conference had affirmed these different points , be impressed npon them that it was still necessary to go a step farther , and in order that these principles should not be marred hi the House of Commons , that it was necessary for titan to agree upon some clear and definite node for

      carrying the principles into practice—( hear , bear . ) Bat seme of tnem said , ** Many of onr friends are prejudiced against the Charter j some persons will think we have gone too far ao it is ; don ' t press the resolntion at present . * With the understanding , then , that the People ' s Charter should be brought forward , and have a prior claim to (? iseuasion before ill oth * r docoH » ntB , he consented to waive the resolution , or to bring it . forward in the shape it was ereutoally agreed to ; that shape being , that at the Ben Conference they should consider the necessary details for workjrg out these principles . —( hear , hear . ) He eenainiy thought now thai they had net , that ihai document ' would bate had the first elaia , —( hear , hearj—but judge his surprise to find thit althoueh he was a member of the council of the Ccisplete Suffrage Association , be never heard of the

      bill until he saw it in print . —( Load cries of "hear , hew . ") He mentioned 1 Mb fact with a great deal of pain , as he had the highest respect for the council , and especially for tbeir esteemed Chairman—( hear , hf * r . ) He thought they had committed an error on tos point , that they had yielded to prejudice , and tCU they \ vccld feel tbe " injurious effects of their conduct if they pre « ed this bill—( hear , hear . ) He coped , however , that they would not press it , or tiiiia that they would not place him in a position to put forward an amendment in opposition to the onzina ] motion . The eSeet of their pressing it wpflld be to split the Conference into two parties , * Derea 3 he bad hoped that they should know nothing « ? my < kri £ g lheir dbeussions—( hear , hear . ) He « ped that Mr . Bejgs would allow the Charter to m brocght forward before the bill oreoared by the

      wtoplete Suffrage Association- ( hear , hear . ) He **? pot so blotted ia favour of the Charter , as to **! tea ; it was perfect , and that no improvements ™* & be made in it . Let it be bronght before the ^ erence , —let its details be examined acd disr ^ fli with a view to see whether any improve-** M 3 could be made in it , and if so , to adopt j- an —( feear , bear . ) But "he maintained that the } £ * rter had a prior ckim . In the first place , it |*« borne the brunt of the present agitation , for *** jears , &s . d in order to secure its enactments , g 5 number .- of the : r fellow-countrymen had spf-*« M imprisonment and transportation —( l ° » d cries {; ™ . hear . ") ln the next place , when they "f ? " * out to draw up the People's Charter , they * P ? aed to Mr . Itoebuck—no mean authority—for 7 ! . Purpose of ascertaining from him whether an

      5 « w rariismeiit could cot be drawn np , free from : rr * « al and perplexing technicalities which ^^ , enzed the laws of this country- ( hear , ?**» near . ) ih- . Roeback recbmmtnded them to wl op ^ e document in such plain and ample tod ^ * that ^ wuld read >* . and been " 5 V r would beable to appreciate it—( hear , hear . ) j / 5 quarter had been drawn up in accordance with ^ reconuaeiidition , and it had carried conviction LttS JwM * Aoneandfi- ( dieen ) On ftie other ^« i U : e bill of the Comple ? e Suffrage ABirOciation eSiWS * of the Charter were opposed to all apo e ^ n der ? g nonsense- ( cheers . ) What ! after JeirTT * * ° « ie common sense of the people for five Acu rM ? *? &Uow themselves to be bewildered by Wn « 5 ? ? ' ? lt . when for five years they had of Encw , ' ? ' to the common sense of the people

      terisih ^^^ W y be awsxe , who cad differed mar iicxJe of « T 3 stt&t body of tte Chartists « " > * te tondemr ^ T ^ 3 hat Charter into law . He had tor Srii ^ - ^ ductof manyofth em- Ha thought EnitiTvf ^ ted considerable miMihief , and had 6 « ii * d 6 d the ' xn * 5 ** ^ a lIl . S ' ^ i wa = oTving to ( bii caUjfe ttat a consicerabxe Snir ^ PrtJuaice h 4 d t ^ en cre ated tbe mind ^ of J itfta ^ r S *' * & ** & the Charter ( hear , hear . ) WtooV r u Was P « -jndice , and should they yield ** pftjaeice ? ( No , no . ) They might be

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      told that the bill preferred by the Council of the Complete Suffrage movement embraced all the princi p les of the Charter . Ifitwere bo , then it waa a reason why the bill should not be introduced , seeing that the Charter embraced all that the people desired to obtain —( hear , hear ) . Why should the association introduce a measure of that description which conld only terve to make wider the line of demarcation which at present nnhappPy existed between the various classes of society ?— ( hear , heir ) . Why should they be pitted against each other , like cot&s in a pit , to be laughed at by those who looked in !—( hear , hear ) . He implored their friends , who , perhaps , from the best possible motives , bad prepared thiB bill , to recoDBider their steps , in order that &e

      far as possible they might preserve union , and not by wasting their time in trifliBg distinctions , give their enemies an opportunity to triumph at the eipence of the Conference—( bear , tear ) . He wished to have an answer from Mr . Beggs , before he sat down , because if that gentleman declined to make tbe alteration proposed , he should feel it his duty to pursne the course he bad pointed oat by proposing an amendment . He hoped that their friendB of the Sufirage Association would not place him in that unpleasant position—( hear , hear ) . He hoped that he should n . ot be accused of having taken this coarse from factious motives— ( No , no ) . He was induced to take this course because he thought that a complete union was the only mode of accomplishing their common object— ( hear , hear ) .

      sir . O'CojfNOB did not think that be bad any reason to regret-bis act of courtesy towards Mr . Lovett—( hear , hear . ) Never had he (>' . r . O'Connor ) been more pleased in his life than to give way to Mr . Lovett , and never was he more repaid than in listening to the admirable explanation which Mr . Lovett bad given—( bear , hear . ) When he * heard tbe resolutions read , be intended to have taken the same objection as that which Mr . Lovett bad now made—ihear , bear . ) It had been his intention to have contrasted the merits of the small bill , with the demerits of the larger bill . It bad been his intention to have shown that the bill of the Complete Suffrage Association had not been drawn np with legal acumen , and that from the preamble , through every clause of it , -whatever it contained that was valuable ,

      had been taken from the Charter , and that it waa only tbat part of the document which was of any value at all If tbe Complete Suffrage Association admitted that all that -was contained in the Charter , was contained in the bill itBelf , why were they not prepared to support it?—( hear , hear . ) Was there so much attraction in a name that they were ready to sac . ifice their principles in order to please the unmeaning sc-nple * of tbose who wens always ready to satrifice their convictions to tbe mere time-serving expediency of the day —{ cheers . ) What abase bad been poured out against him ( Mr . O'Connor ) and those who supported the Charter . Why , when be beard of the physical force of the working classes , —when he heard of their obtaining th « ir rights by their rude and rough manner of addressing

      individuals , to what did he attribute all this ? To the conduct of tbose who reviled the working classes instead of teaching ibem better , by pntting them in possession of those civil rights to which by their birthright , and not by a mere abstract theory , they were entitled—( hear , hear , and cheers . ) If they wanted to mai « the Ch&rt'sta physically weak , let them make them morally strong— ( cheers ) . Why was it that the working classes held aloof from the middle classes ? Because the . middle classes had compelled them to do £ 0 —( hear , bear , and cheers ) . When the middle classes -wished to carry the Reform Bill , they found it convenient and , indeed , necessary , to ask the co-operation of the working elassesj ; but having accomplished their object , they kicked away the ladder by which they

      mounted to their elevation , and left the great mass of the people to fall to the ground—( bear , hear , and cheers ) . Things , however , bad now taken a tarn . The working dasces were no longer the tools of a party— ¦ cheers ) . They had acquired a moral power in the country , which would ultimately destroy all the efforts of faction to deprive them of their just demands—( cheers ) . The middle classes ¦ were now calling upon the woiking classes to assist them ont of the difficulties into which class legislation had - plunged them—( hear , hear ) . But the working classes would not help to destroy either the Whigs or . the Tories . Why ? Because they would not derive any benefit from it —( hear , hear ) . What the supporters of the Charter sought for was an union

      between the two —( tbe middle and working classes )—and then no system of tyranny could long stand before it- They talked of a " Complete Suffrage Association . " He would have them to form such a " Complete Union " as this , and within six months from that day they would drive the present Government out of the field ; and then they would establish another on the principles which Mr . Lovett had laid down . Some persons seemed to think that an union of the middle and working classes would destroy his power—( no , no ) . They were also told that their agitation was injurious —( laughter ) . If that were so , wby were they worth tsing courted i—( cheers . ) They knew the degree of hostility which had been opposed to them , by the press , and by a large portion of tbe working classes ,

      asd yet in spin « f all tbe Uonta and jibes throws ont against ttaejn , they stood there &a a party worthy the courtship of all parties—( bear , bear , and cheers ) . Those who supported the Complete Suffrage Union , said that there wa ) nothing in a name . Then why not surrender their little prejudices to the great scruples of the advocates of the Charter ?—t cheers ) . If they got rid of every single leader that tbey now had , in less than t w * boors afterwards tbey wonld have as many more . Ltt them sot say that be ( Mr . O'Connor ) led tbe people . It was the people who drove him—( hear , bear ) . He was only able to maintain that iifiaence among the people which consistency wonld give to every man who preserved it—( hear , hear ) . Then how consolatory it must be to himself asd Mr . Lovett , and to every man

      wbo bad heard him , to find that they were still standing up for tbe Charter , name and all—( cheers ; . And now , to show bow capable tbey were of generous acts , and that if they bad committed mistakes , it -was in consequence of the intermeddling of third parties , sad to prove to the Conference that be ( Mr . O'Connor ) weald never be a stumbling-block ln the way of preserving onion among their best friends , he begged to -express to Mr . Lovett his sorrow for ever having TntttwfcfT his honesty and integrity—( cheers ) The advocates of the Charter were psked why tbey did not support free trade ? They d'd support it—( hear , bear . ) Tbey were for free trade in everything , but they wanted free franchise first , and then they would repeal every law which militated against the

      interests of the people—( cheers ) . He would work for it , and he would conform to all the rules adopted by this Conference , asd he wonld undertake rt much trouble n any man could take , but be never would undertake thattTOubleanlerafortheacccomplisbmentofthePeople ' s Charter— , 'load cheers ) . They were told by some that it was necessary for the country to have a strong government , or a government tbat would tickle the people by fanciful frauds . They had a strong Government What constituted their strength ? The weakness of the people —( hear , hear ) . What constituted the weakness of the people ? Tfcfiir disunion—( hear , hear ) . Then he called upon them to be united . It had frequently I "en un ; ed that the middle classes carried the Reform Bill . That might be true , but it was the working classes who spurred them on—( bear , hear ) . The middle classes were > tbe tools , and tbe working clBsses constituted the machinery by which the Reform Bill was obtained whe must

      , heBr , bear ) . The time had arrived n they stand npon principle . Never were the sufferings of a people borne with so much heroic and Roman fortitude , and he should like to know whenever the people had achieved such a position as they now occupied , with bo little disturbance to public tranquillity or with so little destruction to any thing -which . Traa -ralnable to the community / cheers . ) Feeling atrongly , si be did , on this question , beiouid not help congratulating him&elf tbat what had been imposed on him as a task , was left to Mr . Lovett as a duty . He wrs glad that Mr . Lovett had availed himself of that opportunity of vindicating his principles , and leaving him ( Mr . O'Connor ) to follow him . For bis own part , he should adhere to tbe oouree he had hithtxto followfed , and he declared that he would rather £ *; a private in the racks of principle , than a gentral leading on an inconsistent army in a battle of expediency— . hear , hear , and cheers . )

      Mr . Beggs wai about to address tbe Conference , when , . Mr . iOTETT rose and moved that an adjournment should take piace nntil the following morning , in OTder that Mr . Beggs might have an opportunity of consulting his friends on the proposition which he ( iir . . Lovett ) had made to him . Mr . OCosnob seconded the motion , which ws ? put and carried . The Conference rose at eight o ' clock .

      WEDNESDAY—SECOND DAY . The Conference in pursuance to previons arrangements , assembled at nine o ' clock in the morning , when ibere was as large a number of the delegates present as on the first day . Mr . Roberts , as Secretary to the Disputed EIe « tions Committee , reported their decision on the Worcester election , and said they had come to the conclusion that the gentlemen elected at both the contssted elections should be received es delegates . In making this announcement , he was requested to ask the concurrence of the Conference .

      Mr . O'ConNOB thonjjbt that a worse precedent than that hinted at by Mr . Roberts could not be established —( hear , hear ) . If there had been two elections at Worrsster , one of them must be wroag—( bear , hear ) . It might appear to be an exceedingly liberal measure to admit tbe -whole of the delegates elected , but it had an ultra-democratic tsndency , and tbe decision to which the committee had come , was exceeding the powers given te them—( hear , bear ) . Mr . Paxbt entirely differed with Mt . 0 Connor in committee had been

      hia construction of the law . If the & strictly legal body , and if thtir dedsion was binding legally as well as morally , then perhaps there might be some weight attached to Mr . O'Connor ' s observations . He recommended them to act in a conciliatory spirit . Mr . 0 Connor had spoken of the disfranchising tendency ff toe coHunitteea decudon . Now , bo-w could the fad of riving a larger number of representatives to the Council , instead of a smaller one , be disfrancbistment ? It was the most exttaonlinary definition of theEuglisb language be bad ever heard—( hear , hear ) .

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      Tbe Cbaibmxh pat the motion for the reception of the report . A Delegate rose for the purpose of proposing an amendment , bnt ¦ . This was objected to by Mr . O'Connob , on the ground ( hat as a point of order , an amendment could not 13 made on the ret : ption of the rep or * . The report wrs then pat and agreed to . Tbe Sec&btahy read tbe minutes of tbe prevfonj evening ' s business . Mr . O'Conkob moved that they be confirmed . Mr . TYilkinsom seconded the motion and it was agreed to .

      Mr . Lovbtt now suggested that it would be desirable to have the answer of Mr . Beggs with respect to the question which he ( Mr . Lovett ) had put to him the previous evening . —( hear . ) It would be remembered that he asked Mr . Beggs whether hs would consent that the words contained in the fourth resolntion he bad aioved , namely , that the Bill to be presented by tbe National Complete Suffrage Association , be taken as the bciis of discussion , " be omitted , and tbat the words " the document called the People ' s Charter be taken as the basis of discussion ' be inserted instead thereof , —( bear , hear . ) If he ( Mr . Invert ) received an answer in the negative , he should feel it his dut / to move an amendment —( Cheers . ) Mr . Brewster contended that Mr . Lovett could sot move an amendment They bad not . come there te consider the People ' s Charter in particular , but other documents that might be laid before the Conference—( disapprobation ) .

      Dr . Ritchie thought it was contrary to the order of debate for one delegate to put a question to another—( hear , hear , and laughterj . Mr . Lovetz said that not having received an answer from Mr . Be * g » , be should feel constrained to move an amendment- ( hear , hear ) . With respect to the objection that had fallen from Dr . Ritchie , he did not think it possessed tbe least weight , because he ( Mr . Lovett ) bad distinctly made the proposition to Mr . Btggs , with the view to maintain union , and to avoid the necessity of his moving an amendment —( hear , hear ) . He thought it wonld have been well if Mr . Beggs bad consulted his friends as to how they could agree in their mode of proceeding , bat as they seemed disposed that the question should come befere the Conference , he begged to move the following

      amendment" That the document called the People ' s Charter , embracing all the essential details of just and equal representation , couched in plain and definite language , capable of being understood and appreciated by tbe great mass of the people , for whose government and guidance all laws ought to be written , —that measure having been before tbe publio for the lust five years , forming the basis of the present agitation , in favour of the Suffrage , and for seeking to secure the legal enactment of which , vast numbers had suffered' imprisonment , transportation , and death , —has , ia the opinion of this meeting , a prior claim over all other documents proposing to embrace the principles of just representation ; it is therefore resolved , that we proceed to discuss the different sections of the People ' s Charter , in ordar to ascertain whether any improvements cm be made in it , and what those improvements shall t 3 ; it being necessary to make thai document as clear and perfect as possible "—( loud cheers ) .

      This was the amendment he had to propose on the motion of Mr . Beggs . He had expressed his views so fully when be rose to request bis friend Mr . Beggs to consent to the alteration proposed , that it was not necessary tbat he should trouble them with any lengthened observations . He had hoped tbat Mr . Beggs and hia friends would have been induced to make this alteration without forcing upon him ( Mr . Lovett ) tbe necessity of moving an amendment , because be feared that it wonld end in forming tbe Conference into three parties , instead of two —( hear , hear , and no no ) Two parties already existed ; and instead of having only tbe violence and folly on one side , and tbe wisdom and justice on the other , they would now be constrained to form three parties Instead of two , and he feared tbat tbe line of demarcation between the

      middle and the working classes would be widened , and that tbe agitation in favour of equal representation would be prolonged , in consequence ef the policy which their friends had thought fit to adopt—( hear , hear . ) He thought that course was surely adding to the prejudices of the middle classes—( hear , hear)—and he doubled very much whether tbey would obtain any great accession of that class by this movement—( hear , hear . ) What tbey ought to seek for was , tbe spirit and enthusiasm of the working classes , combined with the wisdem and moderation of tbe electoral bftdy—( . hear , bear . ) Tbey were bound in justice to the great mass of the people wbo bad taken up tbe question for so many years , not to sacrifice the principle for which they were contending—( hear , hear , and cheers . ) .

      Mr . O'Coxxor in seconding the amendment , said that if he thought ita adoption would divide the Conference into three parties instead of two , he should not have supported it —( bear , hear . ) But so far from having that effect , be believed it would resolve tbe two parties into one strong party , determined to go for principle , and another weak party opposed to all principle — ( cheers . ) If , too , tbe amendment bad gone to make any alteration In the principle * of the Charter , be would not have supported it , but the construction which be put upon it was , that it merely went to discuss the details , and consequently he gave it his most cordial consent —( hear . ) Bnt let the Conference look at the position in which tbey would plase the people if they sanctioned the original motion . When they

      hod oomolidated all their movements , when all their machinery was perfected , bsfore whom did they go to get the Charter recognised as part of the constitution , if be might so call it ? In 1639 , in 1840 , in 1841 , and ln 1812 , they went to tbe House of Commans . For what ? Praying tbat tbe document entitled the People's Charter should be the law ef land—( loud crice of bear , bear . ) Now , were tbey going to be so inconsistent as to go to the House of Commons in 1843 , and to say— " Whereas In 1839 , 1810 , 1841 , and 1842 , we prayed your Honourable House to enact the Charter , approved by tbrce millions and a half of the people , we now pray that a mass of mystifications , which would take four hours to read through , be substituted in its stead "—( hear , bear , br \ r , and laughter . )

      Why , he tbeugbt the House of Commons would be placid in something like tbe position of the priest in Kildare . A great number of persons wont to him , one praying him to give them one sort of weather , another another sort , and another wanttd a different kind still . O ! ( said the priest ) go away with you , and agree among yourselves -what sort of weather you will have , and , when you are unanimous , be sure that I shall agree with you "—( laughter and chee » s ) . So it would be with tbe House of Commons . When tbe people were unanimous lii demanding tkeir rights , tbe House of Commons wcold be unanimous in conceding them —( cheers ) . Were tbe Conference going to tbrow overboard the people of Ireland whom they had invited to join this agitation J—thear , hear . ) Here they were goim ; to say to the House of Commons , and to jpdgt-8 and juries— "Well done , y » good and faithful servants ye have punished these nien whom ye have inipTisoned and transported , righteously , for they have

      confessed their error , they acknowledge themselves to bave been in the wrong , and they now ask for a different thing under a different name "—( bear , hear . ) Tbe Complete Suffrage Association said that their bill was the same in principle as the Charter . Then why did they not come forward , and support the Charter ?—( hear , hear . ) It uemed that although the Association were asnaumd of the name of the Charter , they were not ashamed to adopt its principles , in erder to get their own measure carried—( cheers . ) It was for the Conference to say whether tbey would surrender their principles to the prejudice of a few , aud throw overboard a document which had become o part of every man ' s political creed in the country , —( cheers . ) They might as well attempt to stop tbe rolling stream of the ocean as to stop the aritation for the Chartsr under the name of the Charter—icheera . ) He did not wish to dragoon them inte the support of the amendment , but it waa rendered itctssary by the motion made , by

      Mr . Btggs—( hear , bear . ) Dr . Ritchie , of Edinburgh , should support the original motion . He could sea a great difference between Chartists and the Charterists —( laughter ) What waa this meeting ? Was it ft Hadical one 1 No . Wn it a Whig one ? As littie . It was as much a Tory meeting as either of the other two—( laughter ) He maintained that it was a Complete Suffrage meeting and not a meeting of any party , It was a meeting based on the principle of sending parties " to the tomb of all tbe Capultts . " If it was said—take tbe Charter , be told them he could not swallow it—( laughter . ) Why ? He objected to the name of it—I" Oh , ob . ") He ot'jtcted to it aB the symbol of a party , and he would have objected to it equally if it had emanated

      from the Complete SusTVage party . He could not expect this movement to go on if tbey adopted the Cbarter as tbe basis of tbe discussion . —( hissus . ) He denied that the document which had been drawn up waa tbe Peoples Charter—( " oh , oh ");—but it was tfee Charter of a great number , and il might be of the wisest number for what be knew —( laughter , and cries of " question , ") The course he should take would be to accept good principles , even from a Tory ; and on the same grounds he would extract all that was valuable from the bill of the Association , the Charter , or any other document ; he would throw them into a crucible , and place a good fire under them , and he would bring ont a metal fit for their use' and for the people at large— ( laughter . )

      Mr . HetherinwTON , of London , should support the amendment , notwithstanding the objections which bad fa ll en from Dr . Kltchie , which he thought were extremely sophistical —( hear . ) He ( Mr . H . ) was strongly in favour of the Charter , and those on his side of the question bad the consolation to know , that the eloquent writer of the Sontonformist , when speaking of the great good sense displayed in the People ' s Charter , admitted that the prejudice against that document was an unworthy one —( bear , bear ) . When they bad o gentlemen like Dr . Miall compelled to admit this , and when their Chairman himself acknowledged the truth of the principles enunciated , were the Conference to pander to these prejudices by abandonii-g the name of the Charter ?( loud cries of no , no ) . At the former Conference , the justice of the principles contained in toe People ' s Charter were verified , and why were tbey to be called upon to give np the details by which those principles were to be carried

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      into effect ?—( hear , hear . ) He rhonght that snch a course would be stultifying the Chartist body , and , therefore , they ought not to listen to any such argum 8 £ * " u -tt ° W /\ which , v ?« e . urged by the Complete Suffrage Association , unless they wonld show that there was that in the Charter which would not enable them to carry ont those principles —( bnr , hear . ) The five cites of the Chsthr did not :-. & to 'bruit tSt document down the throats of the Association , ei ri 3 b" : n insinuated . They only asked that it should I j the basis of discussion—( hear , hear . ) If there was anything omitted in the document , let it be inserted , and if there was anything that could be considered of an

      ohjc stionable character , let it 13 changed— ( her \) What were they called upon to do by the Arsodatlon I To support a document about which , they knew nothing , and which might not be so effective for the purpose as the Charter-- * ( hear , hear ) . On the other hand , they bad a document diawn up in such plain and simple language that a child might comprehend it —( hear , hear ) . They had got rid of a bushel of whereases and aforesalds , and all such rubbish in fiat , and they had given to the country a model of Patllamentact-making— ( hear , hear ) . Under these oJrcumstancea be should most cordially support the amendment —( bear , hear ) .

      Mr . Shith , of Liverpool , called upon the Conference to support the Charter , though be admitted that there was ranch that was excellent in the bill of the Complete Suffrege Association , v J « K 3 v . T . Spencer saw no reason why they should be bound to a particular document , beoause it happened to have been introduced five years ago—( hear , hear ) . He wished that every delegate had read another document , which he would call the M People ' s Bill of Rights , " and he thought they would find it an improvement upon the Charter ; more liberal , more generous , more for the people ' s good , and more for the protection Of their rights , 2 j t . barl 6 r ~( hear > hear > auii > no * " >)• He contended that they had as much right tba name as any

      body else —( hear , hear ) . It was said that there was a prejudice on the part of the association in favour of a name—( hear , hear ) . He certainly did not gee why any person should be compelled to call himself a Chartist- ( hear , hear , hear ) . He Was in favour of complete Suffrage , andhe would do his utmost to oarry out the details necessary for its enactment , but he objected to a body of men coming there and saying , that they should not consider the principle under any other name than the People ' s Charter . ( Hear , hear , and hisses . ) He was present at the last Conference , and the members of tbe Complete Suffrage Association conceded almost every thing to the advocates of the Charter which could be asked of them , but nothing Was conceded id return .

      ( Cries of " No , no . " ) He repeated the truth of the assertion . But did they repent what they had done ! No . Tbey thought that what they had done Was right . He trusted that he hadtheinterest of the working classes at heart as much as any man living , and his hope for them in this movement was the union of their own body with the electoral body ; tbe infusion of fresh energy , fresh life , and fresh blood from another class—( cheers . ) ILet the working classes have their own field . He thought the members of the Complete Suffrage Association could render them much service in working , separately ; but if they remained one party , and that a divided one , the effect of the new movement would be lost for ever . —( hear , hear , and . no , no ) . He had

      beard tbe Bill to which so many allusions had been made , read over , accompanied with the explanation of the accomplished barrister who had drawn it up , aud he was surprised at the opinion expressed by one gentleman who advocated the Charter who could not have seen much of the Bill ; that it was bad in the preamble and in its clauses —( hear , hear , from Mr . O'Connor ) . He ( Mr . Spencer ) had brought his oommon-3 ense to bear in judging of the bill ; and he must say that he did not think the opinion he had alluded to , was a correct one . He had read the Charter , too . - He had heard it explained , and if gentlemen wonld only consent to have the bill of the Association , which had been drawn up with great care and at a great expenseand if they

      , would consent to have it discussed , then , at the end they would be able to say whether they thought the bill or tbe Charter the most valuable—( hear , hear , hear ) . He could not understand why it was contended that the Charter should be the basis of discussion . Every body knew what the Charter was , but every body did not kuow what the bill of the Complete Suffrage Association was—( hear , hear ) . If they condemned a measure about which they knew nothing , he would ask whether they would not be blindly followin /? blind leaders , and whether they would not be voting in the dark 1—( hear , hear , and disapprobation ) , If the Conference were determined toatst in this way , he felt bound as an Englishman , and claiming a right to think and act for himself , to

      Bay that rather than he would give up his independence , he should henceforward . recommend that there should be two parties , and that they should carry on their Conference under different names —( hear , hear , and disapprobation ) . It ought to be borne in mind that the Charter was only an outline of the proposed bill , and tbat it wanted filling up , Qn tha oUmht h » u < J , the bill h * A been filled up with very great care , and if adopted , it would be the glory of the land- ^( hear , hear , and no , no ) . Why not allow the members of the Association the same privilege which the advocates of the Charter demanded for themselves T— ( hear , hear ) . If it was to be said—' you must come to us first , " he must fay no—( hisses ) . As a clergymau of the church of England , he could converse with a dissenter on the principles of Christianity , without any sacrifice of his own convictions , but if the dissenter asked him to turn to his way of- ' - 'thihiciug , he

      would not do so . Neither on the other hand would he ask the dissenter to come to him . He wanted liberality in religion as well as everything else , and he rejoiced to eay that with respect to the brethren iu the Churoh , there was a disposition , when they raw a man determined to think for himself , to allow him to do bo . He wanted to lower the taxes , but ho would do ic in a fair way . He wanted to reform the Churoh , but he wished to do it in accordance with scriptural reason , lie . wished to extend the elective franchise , and put every man in possession oi his civil rights , but he sought to do that by peaceable and legitimate means , and he would be no party to any thing that could lead to disorder or to destruo . tion of the national institutions—( hissing and much confusion ) . He did not mean to say —( Renewed hissine ) . A Delegate hoped that Mr . Spencer would confine himself to the question , and not insult the Conference by such insinuations —( cheers , and cries of order ) .

      The Chairman believed that Mr . Spencer had been misunderstood —( hear , hear ) . Mr . i > P £ NCBR was only wishing to show the Conference that the Six Points might he hold by different parties , and he had no wish whatever to offend the feelings of any delegate —( hear , hear ) . He was not unaware that parties bad been acoused of improper conduct , but he was not there to repeat the charge —( hear , hear ) . It was sufficient for him if such a party had seen his error , and had repented of it . He . '• . would only say , in conclusion , that he took his stand on the principle he had laid down , and he would not be one of those who would go for the Charier and nothing but the Charter—( hear , hear , and hissing ) .

      Mr . West , of Oldhanij differed entirely with the gentleman who had Jast addressed them . There were two documents bet ' oro the Conference , and the question was , whioh . of . ' . them should have the priority , aB forming the basis of the discussion . Now , if the council , calling this Conference together , considered that they were the parties who were to draw up a bill for : the consideration of the Conference , why then they would be the mere nomiuees of th « council —( hear , hear . ) But t ey did not come there as the nominees of any party , but to take principle for their guide , which they knew the document , the People ' s Charter , to contain , and to go to work in a proper manner . He thought that Mr . Spencer had furnishtd a very , good argument in

      favour of the priority of the Charter . Ho said that the bill of the Association was filled up , but that sheCfior * ter was only an . outline * Well , then , that was a very good argument why the Charter should come under discusbion , in the first instance , so that they might introduce such provisions and amendments as would make it a perfect dooument —( hear , hear , ) Muoh had been said about a-harne . He supported the Charter , because it recognised the rights of the people , and therefore they called it the M People ' s Charter— ( hear , hear . ) r i ; Mr . R . Summers ,. Kirkcudbright , begged to say that bis attachment iv » s ; in fayoar of the Charter ; bai he did not agree with those who contended for the Charier and no other document —( hear , heoT , and hisses ) . He . thought the Council of the Complete Suffrage Association were justified in preparing a new bill , and be considered it was the duty of the Conference to enter into a caadid

      examination of it , as well as of all other bills —( hear , hear . ) It should be home in mind that the dooument called the '" 'People ' s Charter" had never been presented to any meeting like that —( hear , bear . ) It was true that it had been adopted by the great mass of the country , in consequence of the grandeur and nobleness of its principles , rather than from any knowledge of its details —( hear , hear , and loud cheering . ) The question was , how far they could enter into a discussion of the bills . He thought that neither of them should bate the priority . Some delegates argued for priority in ^ favour of the Charter , because it waa the oldest . Now , he believed & bill had been introduced by Major Cartwright , which was older than either of the documents before the Conference , and , therefore , he thought there was no weight in the argument that had been urged . He had an amendment to propose which he thought would get rid of the difficulty experienced . It was— ' ' ¦ ¦ ' . / .: - ¦ v ¦• . ' , ' ¦¦ - '¦ ¦ '; : ¦

      " That neither of the bills be exclusively made the basis of discussion , but that both bills , and all other bills of a similar description be at the disposal of the Conference , and laid on tho table , and that parlies be appointed to read and defend the correlative clauses of those bills , and the clauses to be read seriatim and submitted to the meeting . " Mr . VV . Beobie , of A idree , supported the amend-

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      ment , and ia doing so , he thought that both bills should be taken together . A man had no right to Bay that the Charter should be taken first , beoause he had Buffered from its advocacy —( hear ) . Mr . Roberts , of Batn , begged to ask whether if it bad been thought that the bill of the Complete Suffrage Association was to ba the be Ms of dLcus-Bion a single Chaitiit would have been prc : ent at the Conference 1—( hear , hear ) . Dn Ritchie had told them thai he could not swallow the Charter . What the Doctor ' s swallow might be , he ( Mr . Roberts ) could not tell , but it ceemed rather odd , that whilst be could sot swallow a email document which would go through the penny-rost . he could bolt a

      document which filled forty »> ages of print—( hear , hear , and laughter ) . He ( tar . Roberts ) had seen the bUl , and , as compared with the Charter , it wr - not to be named in the Bamebreath —( hear , hear ) . He pledged himself , as a gentleman and a lawyer , tbat it was not to be compared with the Charter for legal accuracy ; and , more than that , he pledged himself to the truth of this statement , that onehalf of the clauLes were entirely inapplicable to the pwrpose- ^ - ( hear , hear ) . I > r . Ritchie rose to order—( hisses ) . He thought that Mr . Roberts was entering upon the criticism of a bill which was not before tho Conference- ( cries of it is before us" ) .

      Mr . Parky wished to ask tbe Secretary whether the bill was not before the Conference f The Secketaky answered in the negative . Mr . RoBERrs begged to remind the Conference that Mr . O'Connor had offered to withdraw his proposition if Mr . Beggs would withdraw his ; and , had the latter complied , neither of the bills would have taken precedence , and the Executive Committee could then hare determined to which priority should be given—( hear , hear ) . He was Borry tbat this discussion should have arisen . He had hoped that they could have worked side by side . But it seemed he was mistaken . The members of the

      Complete Suffrage Association might make the augustean boast of the Roman Emperor , that he found Rome of brick and left it of marble ; but after they had found tbe Charter a mass of crude legislation , with nothing but simplicity to distinguish it , with nothing but principle to support it , and with nothing but the people ' s valour to carry it , he hoped they would fol * low out the example of the Roman Emperor , who , although he left the edifice of marble , did not change the name under which the glories of tbe eternal city had been gained—( bear , hear , and cheejrs . y ¦ . .-. ' - ' ¦¦ , '• " ¦ ¦ . ¦; . . . ¦ .- - . ' ,, /" .. ' . ' . ' . ¦'¦ .. ''¦ The Rev . P . Brewsteb supported tho original motion , and proposed the following amendment : —¦

      ^' That the Bill which thi s Council is me t to consider and discuss , being founded on the ; People's Charter , and actually embracing its great principles , it is not expedient and not necessary to discuss any other documents , excepting in connection with the Bill , until we have disposed of the Bill itself submitted to our consideration . " Mr . Brevtster approved of the conduct of the Council in drawing up the Bill , and thought that the Conference were bound , in fairness , to consider its provisions .

      Mr . Johnson , of Bristol , seconded the amendment , and in doing so , he said he was not prepared to vote against the Bill of the Complete Suffrage Association , until heknew the nature of its provisions . He hod hoped that the speeches of Mr . O'Connor and Mr . Lovett would have offered something tangible to discuss ; instead of which they had been wasting their time in discussing mere trifles , by leaving out everything that was valuable in principle—( hear , hear , and laughter ) . Mr . Davis , of Hawiok , suggested that tho question of priority should be referred to the Executive Committee . . .. . . ¦ -.. " . ' . : '¦¦¦ . , ¦ . . ¦ - V ' , . '¦ :, ¦• ¦ ¦' Mr . Allbiuqht moved that neither of the documents take precedence . The proposition was not seconded .

      Mr . Williams , of Sunderland , hoped that some common ground would be taken , and thought that the amendment of Mr . Summers included everything . . . ¦ ¦'¦¦ : ¦ ¦ - ¦ ¦ ¦•¦ ; . ¦ : .. ¦• : ¦ ¦ ¦ ' ¦ : . ; . : "¦ ¦¦ . Mr . P , O'Higwhns , of Dublin , was Certainly of opinion that the proposition brought forward by Mr . Begg 8 , was one of the most extraordinary be had ^ " heard of . What was it I It was that a bill of trbi a hey had never before heard , should form the o * aid Of discussion ! and he would appeal to any member of the Conference whether they ever heard of such a proposition before—Uoud cries of "No , no ") . What he wished Mr . Beggs to have done was , to have brought forward the Charter in onehand , and the bill in the other , and that they Bhould both form the basis of discussion—( hear , hear , and loud cheers ) . -. ' ' , ¦"' . " ' : . , ¦' . ¦ ' ' ' ' . . . . . ' ,. - "¦ . ' . ¦ ¦ . '" . . "

      Rev . Mr . Miall , supported the original motion , claiming honesty of intention for the members of the Complete Suffrage Association , and contended that the struggle carrying on by the advocates of the Charter was not for the sake of principle , but merely for the sake of precedence , whioh amounted to nothing . V . Mr . Macphkrson , of Ipswioh , spoke in favour of tbe amendment . " V Rev . Mr . Leeson , of Frome , supported the original motion , and amidst much hissing , said that if they adopted the Charter as the basis of discussion , instead of the bill , the movement would be damned . It being now one o ' clock , the jConforenoe adjourned to three o ' clock .

      AFTERNOON AND EVENING SITTING . The Conference re-assembled at three o ' clock . Mr . J . Wilson , of Aberdeen , / supported the original motion . v Dr . Wade called upon the Conference to support the amendment . In his opinion it was not the name of the Charter to which the middle classes whom the Comnlete Suffrage party wished to conciliate , objected , but the principles it contained —( loud cries of " hear , hear ") . He believed that if tiie advocates of the Charter consented to change the name of the document , that tho very next day the members of the Association would contrive some other loop-hole out of which to escape—( hear , bear ) .

      Dr . Glover , of Edinburgh , thought the Conference ought to take for its text the Six Great Points , and that delegates should be at liberty to advocate either the Charter , or any other document which recognised them—( hear , hear ) . : Mr . Jab , Dixon , Of Northwichj was decidedly in favour of Mr . Lovett ' s amendment . He strongly recommended them to go to the vote , for he was sick and tired of the proceedings , and he was afraid lie should have a very bad acoount to give hia constituents—( laughter ) . Mr . ViCKERS , of Belper , advocated the amendment . ' . - ' ¦ ¦ - . . " . ' ¦ ¦ ' : ; ¦¦ ' . ' ¦ ¦ . ' ¦ ' : . . ' ¦ ¦; . , '¦ -- ¦ . ' ' ,

      Mr . vMacdonald , of Aberdeen ^ supported the amendment , and he did so , not on account of tho antiquity of the Gharter , but from principle . v Mr . ViNiNG , of Reading , recommended a union with the ex-members of the Association , as he thought that the adoption of any other course would be fatal—( hear , hear , and no , no ) . : Mr . J . H . Parry , of London , should support tho amendment proposed by Mr . Lovett , and he did so on the ground that the working classes were attached to the Charter , from strong , abiding , aud natural reasons—( hear , hear . ) . 'It was notthename of Charter which those of the middle classes whom the members of the Association desired to conciliate objected to , but its principles—{ hear , hear . ) . They

      had no right to yield to the paltry prejudice of the middle classes , against the just demands of the People—{ cheers . ) Why , what-bad their respected chairman himself said , with regard to this ? He had said that &U the prejudices whioh existed against the Charter were unworthy and unfouuded , and that the soundest basis on which a radical reform could rest , was the Charter —( loud cries of " hear , hear , " and cheersi ) He ( Mr . Parry ) belonged to the middle classes . He mixed much among them , and he was bound to admit that there existed on their parts a profound indifference to political principles—( hear , hear . ) But at the same time he was bound to state this fact , ( and he hoped the members of the Complete Suffrage Association

      would bear it in mind , ) that those of the middle class with whom he had mixed , were in the habit of saying to him , "Oh ! we can easily understand why you support the Charter , because you are a Chartist . We oppose it because we think the principles it , advocates are dangerous , but we protest against those principles beiuff thrust down our throats under another name , "—( loud and continued cheers . ) That was a growing fooling among the middle classes , and he would ask the council Whether they thought it likely that their advocacy of the Six Points of the Charter would enlist the co-operation of the middle classes , because they supported them under another name ?—( loud cries of "hear , hear . " ) He believed

      the Association would defeat its own object , and why i Because they would not have honesty to recommend them , —( hear , hear . ) Mr . Miall had said . J * Take the bill . " If Mr . Miall was the minUlilrof a despotic government , and that government would give them the bill to-morrow , ho would take it , —( hear , hear . ) But the government would not giro them the bill , and therefore , the question for the Conference was , how were they to force it upon the attention of tbe government 1—( hear , hear . ) How oould this be done V By union , —( hear , hear . ) Who carried the Reform Bill ? Not the middle classes alone , but they and the working classes united , and if such an union existed now aB

      prevailed then , they would exhibit a moral power aud a strength , of demand , which neither Sir Robert Peel or any other minister could resist , —( oheers . ) They had heard something of the leaders in this movement deoeiying the people . Ho would not enter into any question of that character , but if they wanted to destroy the power of those leaders let them do complete justice to the people , and then the people , appreciating their own rights , and knowing now to maintain them , would be too independent to be led by any man , except so far as his honesty and consistency gave him a claim to their confidence . ( Hear * hear . ) For the reasons he had stated , he Bhould support the amendment , and he called upon the Conference not to stultify itself , by surrendering

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      the glorious principles of the Charter to paltry prejudice , and to a wretched and temporizing expediency ( loud cheers . ) Mr . L . Hetwobth , Of Liverpool , would support the bill , becaute both it and the Charter were tho same in principle . He considered that the Charter had becB injured by those who caUcd themielveg tbe leaders of the people . ( Shouts of "Ny , no , " Had much hicsirg . ) He had a iioftt to maintam this op :-hion , and if the reporters would only report what he said it should go from one end of the kingdom to the other ( great confusion . ) : When he joined the C > mplete Suffrage movement , he was determined that i 4 r . Sturge should be his leader . He had come from Liverpool to declare his opinions , atid if they would not allow him to declare tnem , he denounced ihcm f . i the mo 3 t arrant tyrants on the face of the earth ; ( hi £ . cf 7 ) and although they might c&H themfelm Chartists , tkey would be the most despotic tyrants hi

      that ever disgraced human nature ( j ^ reat sing . ) He loved to be ' identific d with the Charter , but he never would , be identified with its leaders ( tnmecdous hissiDgi ) Aye , let them heir him if they dare . ( Renewed confusion , and an exclamation oi " Put him out . " Someone said , " put him out . " ( " Urder , order . " ) He could understand them . It torched their frelings . ( Hisse \) It came home to them . tHissei . ) But they should hear him , and the country should bear him from Land ' s End to John O'Groats . CLaughter . ) He would not be identified with the leaders of the Charter , when he had geea with his own eyes and had heard with his own ears language which never ought to have come out of the month of any man . ( Shouts of M Name , name . " ) He would mention the circumstances . ( " Name , name . ") If they wanted to hear truth , let them listen to what he said . ( Cries of ** Hear him , he ' s so amusing . ")

      A Delegate . —Is the whole Conference to be insulted by such a , man as this ? 0 ' Chair ^ ch air , ' * " Order , order . " ) The Chairman . —Hear . A Delegate . —Hear , hear . Mr . Heyworth conceited that the object of this Conference was to call over the working men to / those leaders wbo would carry them on in a holy , righteous , and peaceable ftgitation . which would secure' the people their just rights . They would not lead them on to bloodshed , to massacre , to anarchy , and to plunder , —( great hissing . ) They would not do this , neither did he say that anybody else had done it , —( much hissing . ) If any body had done bo , they were guilty , and not him , —( great disorder ) Mr . Bobebts . —You said you had boch seen and heard of such things , and now you deny it , —( bhame , shame . )

      Mr . Hetworth . —Yes , and I have seen them , — ( name , name . ) Mr . Jon e ^ , delegate from liiverpool , begged to inform the Conference that Mr . Heyworth was not the representative of Liverpool , —( hear , hear . ) Mr . Heyworth—No : I am the representaiive of Reading . Mr . Hobson , of Leeds . —I move that Mr . Heyworth be allowed a quarter of an hour longer , — ( hear , hear . ) He is a sample of his class , and 1 hoja the Conference will have the benefit of the specimen , —( hear , hear . ) * A Delkqaie seconded the proposition , and it Waa

      carried , but Mr . Heyworth did not avail himself of the privilege : and having expressed a hope that tho Charter would succeed , he retired amidst hisse , groans , and every species of disapprobation . Mr . Skelton , of Westminster ; Mr . Rowland , of Dundee ; Mr . Beesley , of Blackburn ; and Mr . Jones , of Liverpool , generally addressed the Conference in support of Mr . Lovett ' s amendment . Mr . Bego 9 , the mover of the original resolution , replied to the various arguments addressed in suppo : i of the amendment , expressing his regret at being , compelled to differ from those for whom he had the highest respect , aud stating his intention to press the motion to a division .

      The Chairman here announced that , as according to the rules * he had a vote , independent of his casting vote , he should record his opinion in favour of the original resolution ^ . : : The Chairman theu put the amendment moved by Mr . Brewster , for which onl y two hands were held up . The next amendment put was that of Mr . Sumners , for which probably twenty bands av * p eared . Both- these amendments , therefore , were lost . ¦ ' ¦ ¦ ' ' v . . ¦ : " .. ' - , ¦ ; - . ' . '• • '¦; ' : . : ¦ ¦ ¦ '"¦ - . The Chairman next put the amendment moved by Mr . Lovett , which was carried by a large majority and amidst great cheering . The original motion was then put and of course negatived in a similar manner . Mr . Hobson moved that the votes in favour of the original motion and the amendment , should be recorded . •; : ¦;' . ' ¦ ¦ .. ¦ . '¦ : >'¦> , ¦ ¦' '¦/¦ ' ^ " . - ' A Delegate seconded the motion and it was agreed to . / . . The result was as follows : —

      For the original motion ............ * 94 For the amendment .................. 193 Majority for ihe amondnwmt 9 ^^ - Fourteen of the Delegates remained neutral , and 73 were absent , on their names being caUi'd . ; The announcement was received in silence . Having made the forjnal announcement thai tiiearaendment was carried , Mr , Sturge add the time for adjournment bad arrived , and it became bis duty , while fce gave credit to the parties who had manifested so much attachment to that very excellent document , the People s Charter ,- for having conducted their busia' ^ f in a manner that did them credit , and while he hoped that credit would be given to him for sincerely wishing to bring the principles of tbat

      Charter into operation—to say that he thought he should not beat serve their erase by continuing tct occapy that chair after to-night . He trusted that whatever little warmth of temper might have been manifested on either aide in tbe heat of debate would oe now forgotten , and that the parties , if they could not agree to worfe together , would work harmoDiously in parallel lines . They , the majority , who bad determined lor the Charter , would meet to-morrow morning in that place , and go on with their business , while he and those who thought with him would meet in some other p ? " ^? , to vrosecu' i their business in their own way . As they were all aiming at one and the same end , he trasted they would

      be no hindrance to each other . In this ntatemtint of toe purpose of his party to withdraw from all further connectton with the Conference , he wrv supported by the Rev , Mr . Spencer . The announcement seamed to excite much surprise , and produced a great Eensation . Mr . Sturge having left the cba'r it wc-j taken by the Bev . M-v Spencer , and s vote of thanka to Mr . Sturge for his patient and impartial discharge of the duties of the chair up to the present time , was proposed by Mr . Lovett , and seconded by Mr . O'Connor . On ite r drg put in the affirmative it waa received with considerable cheering , and many hands were held up—the . negative wai not called for . The Conference then adjourned .

      Prior to the dispersion of the delegates from tbe room , Mr . Pierc . 3 , from Newport , Isle of Wight , a genuine specimen of the old school of "Frienda" or Quakers , as they are mostly called , came forward , and mounting on a form , disclaimed tbe doctrine of Messr < i . Sturge and Spencer , that the minority of 93 were to meet next morning in the Complete Suffrage rooms , separate from the Conference . He had come from the Isle of Wight- ^ he had been sent to the Conference—fce had voted tot the motion ; but he considered the majority the Conference , and should continue with them—( hear , hear , and cheers ) .

      Mr . Sturge , the Rev . T . Spencer , and other members of the Council , adjourned to the rooms of the Association , in Waterloo street , for the purpose of considering the provisions of their Bill . In the eyeniug of Wednesday , a large tea party took place in the Hall of Science to oelebratethe liberation of Mr . Mason . Mr . O'Connor was present , and addressed the meeting in a speech of considerable length , whioh was listened to with deep attention , and at the close was followed by great applause .

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      POLITICAL VICTIM , DEFENCE . AND FAMILY SUPPOBI ¦ . " " : - ¦ ' ' FDND . ' " - ' '¦ ¦•¦' ¦ ¦ ' ¦ . - ' . - . \ . ¦ ¦ - ¦¦ : ¦¦ ¦ - ¦ £ s 'd Previously acknowledged ... ... 160 6 6 A . B . C .... ... ... ... ... - () 10 Mr . Waterworth , ( shoe maker ) ... 0 5 0 Birkenhead , Cheshire ... . * . ... 19 0 A Christmas box , from 3 rd Division City Bootmakers ,. j ... ... 0 8 5 A few Flax Dressers , Broa 4 ford . Works , Aberdeen ... ... ... 0 8 0 Johns tone , 'Scotland ... ... ... 0 10 0

      163 7 11 Note . —The Secretary of the Chartist shoemakers , Golden-lane , London , has required from Mr . Cleave an account of the expenditure of the above . To this Mr . I . Cleave replies , that it is questionable whether such a balance sheet could be published pending the trials traversed from tbe Special Commissions ; and besides , Mr . C . has not the slightest controul over the fund , further than to pay , as ha has from time to time , the subscriptions received by him to Mr . O'Connor , who has hitherto acted as treasurer , & « . It may , however , be as well to intimate that several of the London delegates have been specially instructed to introduce the question of a "National Defence and

      Support Fund" to the attention of the Birmingham Conference . In the event of the Conference declining to accede to the motion for that purpose , the Committee nominated by the Great Metropolitan Meeting at the Crown and Anchor ( of which Committee : Messrs . O'Connor , Cleave , Dr . Black , &c , are members ) will doubtless suggest some effective plan for the adoption of the country generally . Ia the mean time , no true Chartist will , —as the Golden Lane Secretary asserts , —withhold A ^ MOJi ^ iiMlMn to the Fund , Mr . O'Connor s hdnoOQW ^^^^ Sv ought to bo held asufBcient setiuiltgKlfe ^ ^ Qv application of every farthing 8 ubactl | MK 3 ^ sbjmwf ?\ ) also be borne in mind that eaodBffi ^ in ^ eiJL % J •* been subscribed for the defence , nSStfSSS ^ rwtSfcs ^* 5 C support of the families , of the Ti ( ffikI ^^ 5 ^^ 3 Nj £

      Subscriptions Received By Mr. ' . ¦ ¦ ¦ .;: ' • Clea .Ve :.: ¦ . ¦ ¦ • :.- :

      SUBSCRIPTIONS RECEIVED BY MR . ' . ¦ ¦ ¦ . ; : ' CLEA . VE :.: ¦ . ¦ ¦ :.- :

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      ' _ THE NO RTH EBN S TA R . 5

  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), Dec. 31, 1842, page 5, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct1193/page/5/