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THE NORTHERN STAR. SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 5, 1842.
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THE GOVERNMENT VICTIMS . An additional demonstration against that vile species of Government tyranny , -which has . within the last few month * , filled the prisons of England with virtuous and skilful English artisans , for seeking , in pnblic meeting , to make known their grievances , and to discus the most legitimate means of procuring a redress of them , together with the means of bread for their " starring wives and families , " took plaea on Thursday night , in the shape of & public meeting , at $ he Hall of Science , High-street , WhitechapeL The jobject of the meeting wm to express the pnblic de-~ testa ^ on of a Government that couM thus act , and to -mark u ' lat detestation the more strongly by entering into a guC" ' 8 sription in aid of the " victims ' ' to so despotic and av * ^ * a policy . On the motion of Mr . Drake .
Mr . Mantz wJ *« called to the chair . Hs Baid he regrettad the Ch&t ^ t * "were not doir g th-ir duty to themselves , other wist ) tke Hall in which the meet in ? ot ? t which he had the honour te preside , was held , wonld , at that late hour , i ^ Te been crowded to inconvenience . They had met oh . t ° present occasion , not merely as matter of form noi merely to breathe the feelings of indignation against a u jTsrmDent tliat conld act so tyrannically aa the present ™ acting- ; bnt upon a question which concerned thv ^ m * & > involving aa it did the proposition , whether & nian was to " think freely , " or whether tyranny was . *«¦ say , in this enlightened land , " Thus far shall thoa 8 ° and no farther . " The Government that wonld dai \ ' attempt to restrict a people from the free expression ot th-ir grievances , and who wonld say to them they must think only aa they ( the Government ) thonsht , was the greatest of all tyrannies—ihe&x , bear )—bnt all woa . id
not do ; the mind of man would still be free . —( h « u and lond cheers . ) Man was , by his Creator , endowed with the power to think , and to express his thoughts ; and it was not for tyrant man to dare to stop him in the exerciea and expression of the mind thus given—( hear , hear . ) The enemies of the people ' s rights might Bay , that they ithe people ) lived in " a free country . " and might do this er that But in this they reminded him of the " French" press , which said , " yon siay print this or that ; but you must not say anything against the Ministry . " or State "— daughter . ) And eo with the present tyrannical Governmeat of England—( hear , hear . ) The people might say < . < t think what they plf&sed j bnt as Boon as they said anything against them , they ' ithe Ministry ) , would seizi upon , drag , and cast , them into prison—( hear , hear . ) He ( Mr . Mantz ) , might illustrate this base intolerance , bj a quotation ; of which it reminded him , from the poet ,
namely;" A subject ' s faults , a subject may proclaim , A monarch ' s errors are forbiddenjgame . " ( Cheera ) The people , undismayed fey such proceedings , should fuiluw tht adrice of their tried and valued friend , O'Connor , should not shrink from danger , but lite him , be prepared to "brave the battle and the breeze , " and , as becomes Englishmen , determine to be free—( hear , hear , and cheers ) . They bad a duty to perform to the excellent and patriotic men who are now incarcerated , for no other crime than that of peaceably and constitutionally meeting to demand a redress « f their grievances—( hear , hear , and ' shame . " ) He was sure they wonld do that —( hear;—he was sure thty would not be content with the present state of things—( hear , hear ) . Why should they not mu = ; er in
thtir moral strength , and act like mea who were determined to bring tyranny down to the dust ?—( Hear , hear , and cheers ) . They were too losg the dupes of those men—( hear)—they had too long allowed themselves to be oppressed by them —( hear , hear ) . — They should , he repeated , show themselves determined , and make their tyrants kno * that they were Englishmen—( hear , hear , and loud cbetrs ) . The tyratts knew * erj well , in incarcerating their leaders , that they were insulting the people at large ; but had the people the right Butt of spirit in themselves , those leaders would never have been seised ; and it was because they ( the people ) were apathetic and had neglected to perform their duty , that the Government had proceeded in the tyrannical course they were punning —( hear , hear ) . He regretted he did
no ? see that r >* H crowded with men who had hearts to feel for , and pockets at the service af the Government Tictims "—( hear ) . Those victims , bad they been corrupt , might have revelled in the lap of luxury , and in the smiles of the base aristocrats who oppress them ; but no , tfcey were men of nobler feelings —( cfceeis ; . He lamented the apathy of the people towards those highminded and noble-hearted men , whose virtuous sympathies had led them to offer themselves up as victims , " in their ( the people '*) cause ; but he hoped they would , ere too late , show themselves worthy of the suffericrs of those men—ihear , bear ) . After some further ^ remarks , Mr . Mintz apologised for having detained the meeting for so long a time , and corcluced , amidst loud cheers , by calling on Mr . Brown ( a talented operative ) , to acre the first resolution .
Mr . Brown , who is a decided favourite with his brother worVmen , wsa greeted , on presenting himself , with marked plaudits , and after a few preliminary ob-Berv ationi , proceeded to read the resolution to the following effect : — " That this meeting views with feelings of indignation the conduct cf the faction which now sways the Government of these realms , which has , in opposition to rgbt , law , and justice , invaded the liberty of conscience , seized upon honest and unoffending individuals , and immurtd them in dungeons f « r no other crime than thst ef promulgating the truth and advocating the rights of tnsir enslaved and oppressed brethren . "
He deeply sympathised , he said , with tee victims to whom that lesomtion referred , and he called npon tbs meeting to consider well the solemn obligation which rested on them them , in pledging themselves to it , to carry it out in all its spirit and meaning—( hear , hear . ! They should weigh Well the solemnity of pledging themselves to a resolution , and when pledged to it , Tinging should prevail npon or actuate them not to carry it ont—( hear . ) For his own part , he duly pledged himself , on the present most solemn occasion , to the resolution wiich be had jest read , and nothing could induce hisa to be unmindful or nsglectfol of tbe obligation into which be had entered—' . hear , heat . ) He was not discouraged whtn he saw small m % etin ^ s on the subject which had then brought them
together ; for , as " after a storm comes a calm , " so after " great ' meetings , they might expecs " nna ' . l ones on Ae s ^ me su ject ; and of great meetings te rejoiced to ay they had had masy in favour of tbe victims in whose behalf he was at that moment appealing j bear , hear . ) In that respect he would most particularly , and in a marked manner , congratulate the meeting on the splendid gemonstrat'on and bnmper th&y had witnessed on the previous night , in a btoefi ' - in favour of the Tict ims , at the Pavilion Theatre ( cheers . ) The friends of liberty and of injared worth had come from the most distant parts of tbe metropolis to that bentfis , not . let it be said , for amusement , ( for tie working classes , ground down as they are , have neither heart , inclination , nor means to go Ion ? distances at the present time
for amusinent ' s sake alcnei bat , to their great credit and honour , for the Eake of alleviating , by their sympathy and contributions , the sufferings of the victims , with whose cause they identify themselves , and with whos-6 wrongs they sytnjiathisa—htar , hear . ' And , be it remarked , that all their meetings woald be crowded , but that the working classes are so poor that they cannot afford even a penny en every night — 'hear , hear . ) They saw the victim to tbe cause in -which they were embarked , pining in his gloorcy , unhealthy , ai < d solitary dungeon ; end they , like men and Christians , pressed forward with their mite to aFsis ! him . —i ( applause . ) Who , lo < . 'kir .= r at tbe prt-sent state of society , would Eay th-t ttere was rot something lott £ n at the core of the British nation?—( hear . ) " The
wealth-producing class of British industry was sunk ii circumstances of the deepest poverty . — hear , he . ir-, Distress was pictured in their countenances , found ir their dwellings ; its deepest arguith had taken posses of thtir minds ; and day and night they were kept ir perpetual anxiety how to get bread to live . —ihear , bear and sensations of pity . ) He \ Mr . Brown ) looked upor the Chartist aa a man who would go for the en re of » c great aa evil , and aa one who would stand up for hii century , and for the starving wives and children of iti suffering sons . — . ' chsers . ) The country h&d now its " victims " to look to ; men who were torn away fron Xh-Ax wives and children , and cast into dungeons , and for no other offcDcs than standing up to plead their suf fering fellow-countrymen ' s wrongB ^—( shame . ) Threat
ened with all that conld make man miserable . th » y yield ' rot to tyranny . —icheers . )—Justice was denied them , and besause they dared to say so , they were pounced cpon by an iniquitous stretch of arbitrary power ; but their rights they were determined to have . —thsav , besr and cheers . ) Amongst those victims he would mention with heart full of regret the name of Geerge Julian Harney—( hear , )—but that excellent patriefs pnre spirit would come " like refined gold" out of the fiery furnace into which Tory persecution and Tory infamy had cruelly cast it !—( hear , hear . ) Oh ! poor Ellis' a man of the greatest worth , with whom be ( Mr . Brown ) had frequently acted in furtherance _ of the glorious cause—that good and viituffus-niiiids-d ¦ manthat man who would get out of his bed at any hour of
the night to benefit a fellow-creature —( tear , hear)— I that good man was , alas ! at that moment doomed to ! one-acd-twenty-years' transportation for his attachment j to Ma country—( lond cries of " shame" rung through | all parts of the reverberating HalL ) And his wife ! O j siost « nUVfl « woman ! she , too , was sacrificed ! fcr her tender sensibilities , her great attachment , he ( Mr . j Brown ) feared conld not survive the shock ot ba-ving t tbe most attached and tenderest of husbands thus j cruelly and unjustly torn away from her , and con-1 demned to what might be regarded as banishment for life , or consignment to a ' living tomb "—( shame , I shame . ) The people , however , undismayed by such i
tyranny , were gettmuned to pursue tbe Charter , and never to rest until they obtain it—ihear , and cheers . )' Yes , they are determined on this , regardless Gf the { threats of a few selfish and mercenary Lords , who threaten them with imprisonment , transportation , •' and even death , for looking for their rights—iHe ^ r ' : and cheers . ) They despised those kzy , good fori nothing drones—( hear , hear—those letches , who suck I and fatten on the life-blood of tha people —( hear , her . r . j " The taletted speaker concluded by assuring the meeting ' and through it the country , of bis fidelity to the Cbar-1 tist cause , and that while he knew the -value of being I on the " right tide , " in other wor ^ s , the outside c * j the strong wj » 113 of a prison , yet that the inside of i . i
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had no terrors for him in connection with the pursuit of such a cause ^—( cheers )—a cause in which he invoked them to apply themselves with energy to breaking up the stubborn ground , and sowtog the " goodseeds of Chartism , " by which be promised them a gloriouB harvest , and the gathering up of the fruits— ( loud and long continued cheera ) Mr . Abel Cooke felt great pleasure In seconding the resolution , because it referred to those kindred spirits who were suffering in the glotions struggle of " might against right . " The association of kindred spirits was one of the greatest and most desirable things that could be for the attainment of the great object which the people had in view . Associating together , they
were strong ; but divided , they were weak . ( Hear , tear . ) It was awful in a country like England , that men for standing up against -such a system of tyranny should ba seized upen as the victims to whom the resolution referred were , and deprived of their rights and liberties —( bear , bear ) . He ( Mr . Abel Cooke ) felt as if he could " at one fell swoop , " level the tyrants who thus basely , nDjustly , and wantonly oppressed his fellow conntrymen—( Cheers ) . Mr . Cooke then allnded , in a felicitous manner , to the great aid and impulse which the Charter must derive from " the women of England , " coming out , as they were , in its favour , and coBcluded amid the plaudits of the meeting , by seconding the resolution .
Mr . D-ivenptfrt , a veteran Reformer , moved the second resolution , to the following effect : — " That this meeting deeply sympathise and console witb those brave and virtuous patriots , who , in defiance of the tyranny of despots , have nobly stood forward as the champions of the rights and liberties of millions , to obtain for the mass of the population of this conntry a protection for labour , a voice in the State , and a fair division of political power ; and pledges itself to use lt v s best exertions by way of subscriptions and collections , and all other means in its power , to defray the expe / ices of those victims who are awaiting their trials , and to support the wives and families of those who are now patiently enduring in their brethrea ' s behalf , in ' carceration , anrt all the sufferings which inhumanity has inflicted , and still threatens to inflict with her merciless and iron hand , and thus save them from seeking the tender mercies of the Commissioners of the Poor Law Bistiles . "
In moving that resolution , it would be reperfluons indeed , in him , he ( Mr . Davenport ) observed , to address any lengthened remarks to the meeting . He strongly advocited a union between the middle and working classes , as the most likely means by which they could- hope to achieve the great and gSorious measure of "The People ' s Charter . " He regretted that the meeting was not more crowded , and would impress on the Chartists , that if even two million ! - out of the " three mi ll ions" of them who had signed' the Charter , would but give one penny each person towards " tbe Victim Fund , " the sum which would-be thus real : » 3 d would be ample for the support of the victims—( hear . ) Why , then , he woald ask , are they , ( and on an occasion calling upon them for their sympathies and assistance ) , so . ipathetie and remiss in the discharge of a duty so much within tbe command ot even the poorest of them—( hear . ) He would not longer detain them , but would propose the resolutionrcheers . )
- Mr . Lucas , of St Pancras , seconded the resolution , aad availed himself of the opportunity thus afforded him of calling on tbe meeting , and through it , on the public at large , to give their most Btienuoas support to their faithful and invaluable advocate the Evening Star newspaper —( cheers ) . They had been hithert * without a journal of purely Democratic principles to support their cause , and advocate their rights —( hear , bear . ) And bow that they had got one in the Evening Starnow that a gentleman had embarked his capital in their interest , he ( Mr . Lucas ) wjjs sorry to say , they were not by any means supporting the paper he had started for them—ihear , hear ) . The TorieB had got their papers , with the Times at the head ef them , in their interest ; the Whigs had got their papers ; and even the sham
Radicals had got their papers ; but the Chartists—the working men—were without any paper—( shame ) . And why , then , he would repeat , when one was started fcr their support , did they not prove themselves worthy of the favour , by giving it their most realous and efficient support?— ( hear , hear . ) The working classes , to ttaeit shame be it spoken , hud no Press— ( hear . ) The 7 had made fortu : es for thos 9 whose papers were opposed to them , even for Q-overoment newspaper proprietors , and jet they would not support one in their own behalf—ihear . ) The Government blushed nut to moke use of " machinery" to crush " the people ; " but the people will not , tven when it offers , make use ( by
supporting ) r . f a paper which comes out to protect them against the G jvernment—tbsar , hear , i If , for instance , ihty were to give but a " ciub" support , and that twenty four of them were to subscribe but one penny prr week , they would have the paper every day— 'hear bear . ) He would , in conclusion , say , that it becomes ; he duty of the working classes to force the paper into ail their places of resort—( hear , hear )—that they onght not to rest until they would run it up to a circulation that would pay ; and that if they should not , in a word , support the Evening Star , they would deserve to bo for ever fallen—( hear , hear , and cheers . ) The resolution was then put and carried unanimously , after which thanks were voted to the chairman , and the meeting sen&rated .
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THE VICTIM ELLIS . We were just sitting down to call attention to this all-important matter , when Wednesday Evening ' s Star arrived ; in which we find it so well done that we Kive the entire article , in preference to any thing we could ourselves say : — To those persons who have followed the course of Chartist politics , the name of Ellis is familiar ; and they will require no further appeal to their sympathies , than the announcement that prompt exertion upon their part may yet save him from the horrors of transportation , save his wife from the sorrow of
separation , and save his little children from the cold bastile , and tender mercies of an overseer . To trose who do not know Mr . Ellis , it will he only necessary to appeal to their professed love of justice , and simply to lay his case before them , which is as follows : —Counsel for Mr . Tllis raised an objection on his trial , which , however , was over-ruled by the Judge , pretty much upon the eame technical ground that the point raised by the present Attorney General , in Frost's case , wa 3 oFer-ruled by the same Judge . The Jndge , however , pointed out to the counsel the m ^ de by which his object could
be effected , which is this ;—The point made by Counsel was , " Tha . t wlieveas the Act of Parliament bearing upon Ellis ' s ca ~ e makes it penal to demolish , or to begin to demolish , any buildiDg , and require 3 proof of such demolition or commencement , and the indictment charged him with the off nee as complete , while Ellis was not proved to have bsen at the place , when the attick teas commenced , and also that the building teas not demo-Hiked . " The reader will gee tbe thing , then , plainly . That an Act of Parliament declares certain things , if done in violation of thafr Act , to be
punishable with transportation ; and Counsel for Mr . Ellis argues that the things sworn to be done by Ellis were not complete , or so complete within the meaning of the Act as to warrant his conviction , under it . There ia a legal and a moral way , how- ever , of disposing of eoiijecture . The legal way is by appeal to a higher tribunal than that before which the case has been tried . The moral way is , — " Oh no matter whether the Act of Parliament critically embraced his case , damn him , he deserved it . " The latter mode of argument may satisfy the village coterie , or a section of anti-monopolists , but it will
not satisfy the public , nor would it , we are convinced , satisfy Chief Justice Tisdal . the Judge who presided . In arguiDg this point , then , we are not to be understood aa approving the crime oi arson , or bo much of it as does not come within the statute above referred to , nor yet any part ol it . We are to be understood as dealing with the act and the crime as Judges invariably do , which , ij thus : — " // the Act isfaul ' y or bad , repeal or amem it ; out so long as it is law , abide ly it , and as I is a penal lair , construe it mUdlv , and give the pri
soner the advantage of its every defect . " Such is the language of a Judge when he regrets the obligation ; under which a faulty Act plaGes him . Ev « n i magistrates not unfrcquently say to c . ilprits , I ; admit yours is a hard case , and that the Act of j Parliament is veiy severe , bnt there it is , and wl at , can I do ? The only course now open to Mr . Ellis is this : —He can present a petition to the StCRETARY of State for the Home Department , setting forth the objection , and prajing that it may be argued before the fifteen Judges . We have no i reason whatever to suppose that Sir James Graham
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will refuse to comply with Ellis ' s request * and for this reason : —It would be rery inhuman , very indecent , and very improper , to send a poor creature out of his country , leaving npon bis mind , and upon the public mind , an impression that an ? single loophole of justice , or even of legal escape , was closed against him . Again , there would be no reasonable grounds for refusal , and all precedent is in favour of tbe practice Especially in oases of forgery it has been done over and over again . In Frost ' s case it has been done ; but to cite cases in point would be
endless , therefore we shall presume that the Chief Secretary ' s decision will follow precedent . This is the first day of Term , and we are in the knowledge of the fact , that the necessary steps have been already taken to make the necessary appeal on behalf of the man whose opposition to the village tyrant , and support of Chartist principles , has called down upon him the vengeance of the law . But what of this ? Tbe foundation is bnt an unimportant part of the work , if not built npon ; and where are the means to prosecute it ? This then , is our appeal , for the means to be collected and
forthwith forwarded to onr office , to prosecute the good work . Counsel ' s fees in such cases , are heavy , and the ablest must be employed ' The transports are being prepared . The gin palaces and beer shops are foil . The cry of injustice and shame is long and load ; but the injustice and the shame belong to those who see the ohasee , and mil not aid in turning it to- account . Lot it be borne in mind that by perseverance the Doronester labourers were restored to their home 3 ; the Glasgow cotton spinnera were saved from
transportation ; and Frost , Williams , and Jones from death ; and thst the same active individual who was mainly instrumental in producing those results ^ and , in consequence , has become- an object of unmitigated and warelentisg persecution ' , is now engaged in forwarding this appeal upon > behalf of poor Ellis . Let ua ^ at all evwits , have the refusal , and gratify ourselves with this glorious reffisotion that we- did our part ,, and we were ready to save our friend . Much majbedone ia London at variance with what the local mind approves . As an instance , we give the following aote received ^ thia
morning p— THE QUEBJf V : WHPTB . " Mr . Justice Creaswell haB made an order ta-dfcy on each indictment , to admit White in bail , bimaelf in £ 200 , and rbnr sureties in £ 50 each j he would not reduce it below this . " The above- ia from Mr . 0 Connob ? s soVioitor ;¦ and by it , it will bB found that the Judges have reduced the Justice ' s bail to exactly one-fifth of the amount required by those worthies , and for want of wbioh poor Gsobgb Whits , as honest a man as breathes , has been incarcerated for nearly two * months ; and
for which , with God ' s blessing , the Brummagem scamps shall answer before the justice . We rejoice to congratulate Mr . Fellows and his brave followers upon their recent triumph over the rascally League , and their Bright importation from Reohdale . The impudence of these scoundrels , in their endeavours to seduce the Chartists from their allegiance to principle- in the hope of advancing thtir plundering viewa , is beyond all bearing , and can only be equalled by the soand thrashing in store for them , whenever and wherever they pre same to obtrude their particularly awkward and disgusting persons .
We shall look anxiously for a response to our appeal on behalf of Ellis , his wife and children ; for the foundation must remain in statu quo , until the means are supplied for prosecuting the good work . Every minute is an hour , and not- a MINBTE SHOULD BE LOST . Bear in mind that the worldly prospects of a whole family are involved in this experiment .
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THE STURGE CONFERENCE AGAIN . The Stirge men are most persevering fellows ; as the satellites of / action always are . They are determined to have their " talk" on the 27 th of Deo . and to call it a * ' Conference . " We are happy , however , to peTceive that the intimations of the people that they were not to be humbugged , have forced them to be at least a little less impudent in their obtrusion of their real purposes on observation . The mode of electing this " National" Conference announoed in their laBt circular upon the subject has been discovered during the recent flat-catcb ) Dg expeditions of their great men to be " a little too bad" ; and hence they don ' t hazard an adherence to it . There is never anyihing
' of the bold manliness of honesty about baffled 1 faction ; and , therefore , we are not surprised to note the absence of it in the circular now issued from "the Complete Suffrage Council . " Honest and good men , genuine democrats in heart , may make I mistakes as well as other men ; their judgments are not infallible ; they may be led into a false position ; i but , when they find that they are thus circumstanced , they never hesitate , openly and candidly , to acknowledge it , admit their error , and give 1 credit to those by whom they have boon enlightened . ' There is always in honesty a frankness of disposi-; tion which repudiates a false position , when seen , i as cheerfully and heartily as it maintains a true ! one . Bafil d roguery can seldom imitate this beautiful and amiab ' e virtue . If foiled in an attempt \ to blind the eyes of parties , it will give up a position ! wl'ich it sees no means of holding , but it never ' admits that , it has been wron £ ; on the contrary , it ! invariably keeps its eyes steadfastly upon the bafilsd point , diverges from it no further than it is compelled , and looks out ibr some circuit when by , if I an end , it may come back to it , and , if a means , it , may either do so or substitute it by some other means which may Eubserve the same end . Now this is 1 just thi conduct of the Sturge Council upon this occa .-ion . W ; iat thsy now say upon the mode of
eleciion we 3 rs certainly a much greater air of fair- 1 ness than their former proposition , and it is tanta- J mount—if honestly meant and acted on—to an i entire repudiation of that proposition ; but it is not | a repudiation . It st'll leaves the former plan , open to be acted on if parties choose , although a different course is recommended , at least apparently , i The circular now says : — ¦ " The meetings to elect delegates mns , t be of a strictly ; legal character . Wb erever it ia pr . ittic . ible and usual , \ let a requisition be sent to the local authorities , re-1 questbig them to convene tbe meetings . If thia cannot be done , ifat the Complete Stiflrjge Union ot each district convene its own meeting . In both cases the tneelinps must be public to all the inhabitants in the ( own or district .
" It is highly desirable that all the delegates Ehould be elected in this way . Tbe Council have concluded not to encourage the appointment of delegates by nomination lists , ' except in cases where the authoi rities absolutely prohibit or disperse the meetings . In | sttch cases tbe nomination sheets mast be forwarded , together witb ft statement of all the circumstances , to i the Council , at least ten days bc-foie the meeting of the ! Conference , " The Council have reason to rejoice in being able to announce , that they have nctjtt Uoatd of any instances
j in which there mil be any difficulty in appointing , at } the same meeting , delegates to represent both electors I and non-electore . This course tbe Conncil earnestly recommend , as it will display a united energy that will ' augur well for our future success . " | We have no faith in the honesty of these men , i and , therefore , cannot trust them a single inch . j Our reader 3 will observe , however , that the people j have it now in their own power to make this Con-¦ ference what it ought to be—a truly national one . i In every C 3 se the meetings are to be public and I open to all the inhabitants ; without this the
Conference would have been illegal , aad every member of it liable to heavy punishments . Let the pe ople then see that all these meetings be well attended ; that honest and fair-dealing chairmen be appointed ; and that delegates of the right sort be returned . By " delegates of the right sort , " we mean not blustering , ranting , mouthers—but men of sense , firmness , " discrimination , and cautionmen , who whether they can " make a speech" or not , can judge of the merits of a speech , and are not to be either persuaded or outwitted from a stern ad , *
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herenoe to the interests and weal of their constituents . Let them be men who well understand the character and the position of the middle classes . Let them , above all , be men who thoroughly know the "free trade" question and all its sophistries ; and who are prepared to maintain the interests and rights of labour as * first matter of national legisla . tion , and not to barter them for any class crotchet . We warn them that the object of thia conference is to hand over the Complete Suffrage and Chartist movements to tho free traders ; to "bid" for the assistance of the " extension" men by promising that the first efforts of our newborn liberties shall be devoted to the enabling of them to take from us all the good thereof .
We watn the people that this is the purpose of the Conference ; while , at the same time , we tell them that it is in their own power not only to frustrate this purpose , bat to make this Conference an effectual means of sifting the "CompleteSuffrage Union , " of driving out of it all the wolves , and of gathering the Bheep into the proper fold , so as to consolidate the people's strength by unitting their exertions . We recommend , therefore , that the people take up this Conference , Bat if they purpose to make it a nationally
beneficial one they must do it spiritedl y and cautiously No means will be left untried by the Siueoe men to secure for its deliberations the result we advert to . Tbe people may and must prevent this . And for this purpose they must be on the alert . Every public meeting to elect delegates must be well attended—the people must take care to be early that the chairman ba not unfairly chosen . Almost all the good of a public meeting may be frustrated by the chairman , if he be disposed to- do so . Let tbe people see to thia therefore ; let no Chairman be allowed to aotvrho has not bean
elected by the- meeting . If any attempt bo madeset in all probability tbere will—to-call meetings at an'hour when the workhig people can not attend , and when , therefore ,, the * middle men can have it all their own way ; let a representation be instantly made to the Coaaplete Suffrage Committee , or whoever else have the " gettin&up" of tho-meeting , and if this be unheeded , lot a public meeting on some other evening be called to tleot delegates ; let the delegates be elected •; : and Ifet a letter stating the whole- faets , be forthwith transmitted to the Complete Suffrage council at Birmingham . Let this letter be written in the most inoffensive possible
manner ; short and precise , merely stating facts , but yet so full as to give every necessary information ; and let a copy of it be given not merely to the delegate eleoted by the people-at the fai * " public meeting , " but also- to some honest delegate whose election is undisputed , and let him bring the matter before the Conference at its meeting , if the council shall not have previously done justice in the matter ; In every case the eligibility to sit of every oaiididate « lected at an unfair meeting should be protested against ; the protest should be transmitted to the Council at
Birmingham , with the same letter containing 3 statement of the facts-on which it is grounded . The same plan must be adopted if any dishonest means are resorted to- for smuggling a Chairman at any public meeting for the election of delegates .. This may be done , either by obtruding a Chairman without election , or by electing him before- the time announced for the meeting . To all these and many other " -dodges , " the " shoy-hoys" are well " up . " They will need watching ; but with care they may be so watched as to b « utterly unabla to-avoid doing some good whether they like it or not ..
All that the people have a right to require is that every meeting to eleot delegates shall be a fair , honestly conducted , publ / o meetiag . And if any delegates be received who have not been thus elected or any excluded who have been thus elected , it will ba the duty of every other honest delegate at once to protest against the whole thing as a fraud upon the publio , and come away aud leave it . It is all the more necessary that the delegates should be fairly elected , and that they should
represent fairly the feelings of the people , because the Sturge mon ^ haviug been driven from their pet point of having half the delegates electors elected by eleotors , they have managed to . contrive another by which they evidently hope to effieot the same purposo of subserving the "free trade' * crotchet . This is cunningly concealed under the guise of a most useful and necessary arrangement , and cloaked ovet with much apparent fairness in the following paragraph from their new circular : —
"With a view to prevent loss of time , and m the hope that all tbe business of the Conference may be terminated in four days , tbe Council will be prepared with a programme of tbe business under discussion . They propose that tbe Conference , at its first sitting , Bhall elect a committee , to whom tbe programme shall be referred , and that such committee shall decide upon tbe order in which all business shall be introduced . It is conceived that tbere will be no disposition to attributo this arrangement to improper motives , as it is not intended that any member of the Council should Lave a vote , either in the Committee or the Conference ( by virtue of his office as Councillor ) , unless elected as a representative for some constituency . They are , however , desirous of being present , to give an opinion or supply information .
" Copies of the programme of tbe proposed business may be obtained by each delegate upon arrival . " . Now , why not submit this programme of business to the whole Conference foradoptioa or amendment \ The reason is just here . The committee ia to be appointed the first thing . The Council hope that at the beginning of tho proceedings the attendance may not be full , and they may net a- committee of their own choosing ; which committee having power to determine upon what business shall come before the meeting , and how it shall be conducted , will , if not watched well , tffootually destroy the deliberative character of the Conference ; just ad was done at
tho Clerical Conference of Manchester . Having experienced tho effoot of " the Committee dodge " there we know how to anticipate it . There the " Programme Committee" drew up the resolutions and put down the names of those who should speak to them , and no other parties were allowed to speak at all . This will be attempted at Birmingham , we expect ; but if the people do their duty in the choice of delegates , and the delegates do their duty to the people , it will not Bucceed—or if it even should—if the people have eent euoh delegates as
they ought to send—every proposition containing a single expression calculated to harm or jeopardize tho cause of straightforward , bold democracy will at once be negatived . The clause of the former circular about binding the people to uphold the " Free Traders" is sure to be in the programme . Let the delegates bo well instructed on this matter . We give from the Nrticonformist , the Sturge oracle , the following excellent remarks from an Address of the Cirencester Chartist Association , to tho Council of the National Complete Suffrage Union : —
" You propose to ascertain how far the non-electora may be inducod to pledge themselves to use the franchise , when obtained , in favour of free trade . "No delegate , in our opinion , could give such a pledge on behalf of his constituents . We cannot say at what period complete or universal suffrage will be established . It may be law this day twelve months , or a whole generation may pass away , and a new one spring up before it ia obtained . How , then , can any assembly of meni ( whatever their representative cburaeter ) pledge an electoral boi ' . y , not yet existing , to a . particular exercise of the franchise , at some future but indefinite time ? We must receive the suffrage unclogged by conditions . Wo must not barter the free exercise of the franchise , even for the franchise itself . "
This is the right tone to take , and must bo followed up by the whole people ia their instructions to their delegates . Meantime , as proof of tho necessity of caution in dealing with these gentry , we just noto that the quasi organ of the SturgUea in labouring to defend the iniquitous clause of the last circular , uow abandoned , rested its argument on the assumption that this was not to a decisive but a deliberative body—not a Convention to adopt measures—but a Conference to discuss them ; while the circular before us assures us that the Confereu ' je is called : —
"Toprepare a bill to be submitted ta Parliament , cmbjd > ing the' principles : md necessary dtr . ais of representation , agreed to at the Conferinct } hod in April lost , and to determine who shall ba recreated' to introduoo such bill into the House of Cor ^ jnions , andalao to dispose of the othtr businces alluded to ia the address already issued . " Purposing to return to this subject , we now call attention in the way of close to tho following extract
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from the Sturge circular , to which we think no objection can be offered ;—" It is absolutely necessary that the names and addresses of tho delegates who are appointed to attend the Conference , accompanied by a copy of the minutes of tbe meeting at which they were elected , under the signature of the chairman « f the meeting , ahonld be transmitted to the council on or before Friday the 23 rd day of December , in order that the extent of accommodation required may be known , tickets prepared , and other arrangements made . " Each delegate is requested to call at the office aa soon as possible after his arrival in Birmingham . " This with what we have given above places all the provisions of this document before the people , whom we now advise to begin at once to prepare for the work .
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THE EXECUTIVE . We have not received the returns from elections of the persons nominated to fill up the vacancies in the Executive . The reason will probably be found ia the following extract of a letter from the General Secretary received , this day—Thursday j— " " I almost imagine the election at present will have to be abandoned , because there has not been time enough given . I have had a letter from BairBtow , and be say * there will be moeb dissatisfaction la consequence of the shortness of the time , and Leseh and myseif expected there would have again been plaoed on tbe list those good and noble minds who have taken so active a part ia our movement Very few Iotalities , as ; yet , have sent in their approval or disapproval
Ton see there are only twelve names ou the list Mr , WatkinBhas declined . Messrs , Koss , West , and Clayton cannot be balloted for , on account of the informality . Morllng ; thero is an objection raised against ; so that there are only Beven candidates remaining . Taking all the circumstances of the case into consideration , perhape it will be as well to postpone the election until the time is settled by the plan of organisatisa . Bee the great number of honest and talented men who are virtually deprived of having votea tendered for ttoetn ; and I am afraid at this juncture tbe votes weuid be far less in number thin they wore a * the last time . Give this letter yeur consideration , and if it meats-your approbation , write a abort article * stating the- reasons I have gives for the alteration . "
Tothi 3 we can only add that Mr . Clarst as may be eeen from his letter in to-day ' s Star , cannot bo bal-. lotted far , and thai reduces the number of candidates ' one more . We have already given our opinion that , the election is unnecessary , and need notr r therefore , repeat it- But the matter is for the people ; and not fbi > us to determine en .
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THE- " ANTI-MONOPOLISTS . " " Wb call attention to a correspondence elsewhere inserted , between the Hull Chartist Councillors and tbe Corresponding Secretary to the Anti-Monopolist Association ef that town . We guess the Corresponding Secretary wiii wish ho had let the Chartists alone . 'Tis not the first time he has "burnt his fingers" with them .
Registerincr Of Chartist Meeting Houses.
REGISTERINCr OF CHARTIST MEETING HOUSES .
Wb have frequently been applied to for informationjupon this Bubjoct , especially since an infamous fellow , who alike disgraces the priesthood and the magistracy , prosecuted , and caused to be imprisoned , a good Chartist for preaching in an unlicensed room . There is certainly no meanness-to which faction will not stoop for the attainment of its ends ; and hence the- necessity , which we have so often inculcated , of ou ? paying the moafc strict and punctilious attention to even those forms of law which , from our having no . power over them , cannot command our respect . Hence , therefore , we give , with groat pleasure , for the guidance of our friend ? ,, the following instructions for registering places © f worship , from the 22 nd George III . c . US .
This act requires " that the place where worship ia intended to be performed , shall be certified to the bishop of the diocese , or to the archdeacon , of the arohdeoconry ; or to the justices of the peace at the general or quarter sessions of the peace for the county , riding , division , oity , town or place in which such meeting shall be held . "—Application may therefore be made to-either of these tribunals for "a certificate" of registry , addressed to the tribunal , from which the certificate is intended to- be obtained , as follows : —
"To the Right Reverend the Lord Bishop of ( Heat fill up tk » name of the diocese J and to his Registrar ; or , To the Archdeacon of the Archdeaconry of ( here fill up the name of ihe Archdeaconry ) in the diocese of ( here jill up the name of the diocese } ot , To Her Majesty ' s Justices of the P « ace for the ( here fill up theblank with the county , riding division , tyc ) at tbe General or Quarter Sessions of the Peace assembled .
I ( Mi up tbe name ) of ( fill up ihe place of residence in the county of do hereby certify that ( here fill up the description of building , such as a dwelling , house ) and premises situate at in the parish of in the county of and now ia the holding and occupation of ( here fill up person ' s name ) ate intended to be used as a place of religious worship , by an assembly or congregation of Protestants ; and I hereby request you to register and record the same , according to the provisions of an act
passed in the 52 nd year of the reign of his Majesty King George the Third , intituled , " An Act to repeal certain Acts , and amend other Acts , relating to religious worship and assemblies , and persons teaching and pieaching therein ; and I hereby request a certificate thereof , for which . I am willing to pay two shillings and sixpence in pursuance of the said Act of Parliament , Witness roy band this day of in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and
The blanks in the above form must be filled up to meet the circumstances of the case , copied oh the second side of a sheet of paper , and signed by tho person applying for the licence . A like copy to be made ou the third side of the sheet , and underneath the following form : — I ( here leave three lines for the name and description of the person signing the certificate ) do hereby certify , that a certificate , of which th » above is a true copy , was this day delivered to me to be registered and recorded pursuant to the Act of Parliament therein mentioned . Bated this— - — —day of-
18 . " Upon the above document being delivered , or forwarded , free , of expense , to the person who is required to sign the certificate , with two shillings and sixpence , he will fill up and sign the certificate , tear off and return the seoond half sheet , and then the place intended for worship will ba duly certified . Should any rules be laid down by the persons authorised to grant such certificates , of course they must be followed , the instructions above given are in , conformity to the practice of several diseases .
Attention to this subject will save from sete * f penalties tho occupier of the place where woorsfc ' 13 performed—the person teaching or pre ^ / las therein—and tho persons forming the congsvy atjon The persons assembling in such plaices w ; U ' vhen be ' protected by law , as by the same Act it . k > enacted " That if any person or persons , at any t j me after ' the passing of this Act £ 29 th Jul y \ }? , i 2 ] f do and shall wilfully and maliciously , or or . memptuously ,. disquiet or disturb any meeting * ar . sembly , or congregation of persons assembled for reiigiou 8 worship permitted or authorized by th& AcL or any fomer
Act or Acts of Parliament , Or ! shall in any way disturb , molest , or misuse »' Uy preacher , teacher , or person officiating at such meeting , assembly , or congregahon , or any persor , Or persons there assembled , such person or pox ? so offending , upon proof thereof before aay jU 8 tice of tbe Peace by twoor more credible w }' . cnesSes , shall find two sureties to be bound by recognizances , in the penal sum of fifty pouuda , to answer for such offance , and jn default of suoh sureties , shall be committed to prison , there to remain till the next General Quarter
Sessions ; and upon conviction of the said offence at the 8 ai < > . General or Quarter Sessions , shall suffer the P ain and penalty of Forty Pounds . "
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John Hall , OtrsiBinuc . —We have no recollection of . the report to tehieh he alludes , though it is just possible it may have escaped us . Aht Lecturer intending to visit Mansfield must communicate to them seven days previous to visiting them , if not their services toili not be accepted . "Ah Ode to Libest ? " shall appear . Will Messbs . W . Bainbridge , Darlington ; C . ¦ Lane , now or late ofVb , 'FurnivaVs Inn Court London ; and T . Orr , of Northampton , write to this office , and send their exact addresses 1 It is requested by a friend in Ireland . "Thb Charter—an Odb , " shall appear .
" A Watchman" must excuse tu . His long letter to the middle classes contains nothing that our readers are not familiar with ; and we have not room for its insertion . Johr Burland , of Barnslep , if he be not that which he describes the subject of his letter to be , must be an egregious Jool . WihUJM Lindsay . —Too sadly is his dream realised , W . E . H , — We guess Prince Albert to be of thai : kidney " wot never does nothing for nothing for nobody . " We have not just now time to refer to the proper document for the amount of payment for ' the nominal duties of the places named by our correspondent , but it is considerable . Two Rbadebs of Dvndsb ask . — "Is ' it consistent with the House of Lords thai a father and son may sit and legislate at the same time 1 If so could you point out an instance ? " Yes : the
Crown might , for some national service performed t confer a separate peerage upon a peer expectant during his father ' s lifetime ; or the Crown might confer a peerage upon a younger son of a peer ; or a son might succeed te a peerage holden by his mother in her own right , independent of hir husband ' s peerage . Of this me have an instance in the present Earl of Wilton , who is a younger son of the Marquis of Westminster , and who- has succeeded t » his mother ' s peerage ; while his elder brother , Lord Grosvenor % is still a commoner , awaiting the death of his father . The Earl of Wilton , second son of the Marquis of Westmin » ster , inherits the earldom bp . virtue of his father ' * marriage with Lady Eleanor Bgerton , only surviving daughter and heiress of Thomas , first Earl of Wilton , so created , with remainder to th * second and alt other younger sons of his daugh * ¦¦
¦ - ter . ' ¦ : - . ' . .. Wv P ., in answer to S . K ., of Glasgow , arrived too late for this week ; it shall appear in our next . Gbohge TwEDDB&L ,. Stokesley . —We have stated some forty times already , that we acknowledge no sums for public funds but what are received here . We know nothing whatever about what ¦ Mr . O'Connor receives .
W . Br-Fes . W . Cooper , Welbon . —His last week ' s letter was received , but mislaid . In the-St&r oftheV&ndi ult ., the name Weldon was written " Weedonl * ¦ by mistake . D . E . L ., Long Buokby . —Tie see- no necessity for insisting on his withdrawal from either . 2 % * - professed object is- the same . If the man , be agood and a honest man . the position he hastaken can do no harm , while ti > may do good . Bacob Chartists . —Memorialise the Home Seoretary . W . Hi , of Hey wood , writes in riddles . We cannot understand his letter ; but iP seems to have reference to some matters which in any case-we' should not publish on anonymous authority . Wilbiam Poole , CoLLUMProN . —Any bookselter- < eko gets a London parcel can get him all Mr . Hill'st works from John Cleave , \\ . Shoe-lane , BleeU . street , London .
W . Bairburn , Wednesburv . —Our copy of- ihe Evenh g Star of the date he mentions is sa-cut that use cannot find the report he alludes-to He ought to have sent us &ae . Some other- cotrespondents may ascribe the non-appearance of their reports tothe same cause . Wai Me , Beesley have the * goodness to communicate his address to the Hullsub-Secretary , N < k . 10 , Owen-square , New George-slreet ? Middle-class Rapacit * . —Gk A . N ., of Sheffield , writes us thus : r—
" A landlord of this town has some property consisting , amongst the rest , of a hole fit only for a dog , and a small bakehouse , which has been in the occupation of several who have in vain endeavoured to make it answer . They have been obliged to give up , leaving Mr . Landlord minus , in most instances , bis rent . Tha premises became void , and . wete likbly to , remain so , when & young man , who had served an honourable npsreaticeship in tbfi town , and being well known , tosk the premises at 4 s , 3 d . per week—as exorbitant rent for such a kennel—with
not a panicle of custom connected- with the place . Well , Sir , by indefatigable exertions and persevering industry , he has established a very decent connection , and been enabled to-get a plain yet comfortable livelihood , regularly , paying the pro-. prietot his rent , not being indebted to his landlord ) , one farthing . With these facts before us , —and ; they are facts , for I have not only heard it from ,, the man s own lips , but full j attested by others knowing the eircumstances , —one would sup £ 9 S& Mr , would feel proud of his tenant , and . feel a pleasure in doing what be could to prc * a # ta success . No , no , notao ; avacka—greedy , grasping avarice—tha characteristic ! of the sordid crew , hadi
cast an eye upon him , and Mr . — m-j . w $ kindly told him , this week , he must R ay U » tri&iog addition of £ 1 13 a . per annum—ainepenur a wetk extra , making a total of £ 13 pet-year ro » a hole soaroely fit ( as I Baid before ) for a dog . . T& ^ g is not all : is the gentleaaan a Tory ? iJTn-r-caft' VoO believe it?—a member of the National Cq » ' Jefa Suffrage Union , a professed admirer and fol ' ji' £ & j presume , of the philanthropic and generous ,. ' r oaenh Sturge , Esq ., of Birmingham i TJtfs . isiw' \ n ^ Z . lated bat that shows tha
; case , ona nature' t iu Do rf tiou of these middle-class brawlera fc # nn : ? r can tell the working class , thajtmaj ? well ask the wolf and Iamb to unite to deatro * d « . nrtti « in m to expect the middle class to do so u £ fl ' oSle ^ Still I have heard It said how v ^ r " £ 3 ^ are in Shefirid , and how * ey . * ' J ^ SS with the working class ; and many th * £ iuS believe it Certainly thj ^ . ^ , J ^^ t ^ generar rale ., and-may - be . fer , mid P dl 8 claS 8 of Shtmeld are so . As I kaoa * « . _ i . ,.. » .., ¦ ., . % . v ~" " - "—• — - bai little of them
, . .. T I 7 £ ™/ ? y lt ' «^' S e them the benefit of the good opinion . StiHaW ; ong s k louder than words ; tnerefore . I say ., . ' £ est h ^ th f of the puddiog will then b » { n th ¦ tfa ^ fc . "Tt T 7 . -ter opportunity . Harney Md-others bav » to . bar . Jed , although out on br * f It is certain , wijhput . * al ^^ can have no chance , and co * 16 dIor 8 wW Qot > f ( jr nothing ; on thacv itrary the areeXpeD 8 ive gen-STm ? ' ? r * B 3 y t 0 tte working men of SSS ™ £ n" ' the ? Pity "d arSready to assist you . uui upon them individually , and most respecuuuy- ^ c ., tbey are fond - of homaga SulJcifc atnnafortka defence of , out sincere friemta . if ? if " ' ™* * y ° u win haTO nothing to thank
"" ; . r 7 * \ « will show at once their real dtspo-\ riirV > r ' intentions- And , my friends , not only u . t be convinced , but remember funds—aye , ih funds—are and will be ¦ wanted to defend \ . ' / ictims of that hydra- headed monster , cina * > Nation . B 6 the sum got from them ever so * . all , it will be of use . Wait upon the Complete * juffiaco gentry for the same laudable purpose : " they caa but refuse , and , as in White ' s case , write " No . " Let this be done instantly : 'twill prove ' beyond the power of dispute what ia to be ex' pected from the middle class . "
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- . The Portrait of T . Duscgmbe will be given to all our Subscribers on November 19 tb . They willbe in the hands of all tbe Agents by November 16 th ; The charjje for the Star on the day the Portrait of Buneombe is distributed will be tha same as the charge for it on the day the Petition Plate was delivered . The 8 s . 6 d . noticed onth 9 22 nd , as from a few friends , Daptford , should have been Dartforu . Mr . Arthur omitted to say how an answer could be sent . Joseph Newbold , Carlisle . —Mr . Hudson , of CWdew-gate , gets a parcel of Stars . Call upon him , and enter your name . The Piate of the Pdittion , due to you , will be enclosed in his next parcel ot DuucoHibe .
FOB THE NATIONAL DEFENCE FUNP . £ . 8 . d . From Mr . Ellis , Finsbury o 1 ~ ' a pure republican , Mellor 0 1 0 ~ Cardiff , per B . Jones ... 0 8 6 -. J . F ., Dunfermline ... 0 0 6 | ~ a friend , © oole ... ... ... ... 0 0 2 „ D . B . > Hor 8 forth ... ... ... 0 18 „ a few friends in the village of Larkhall ' near Glasgow ... o 12 » J ~ the ChartiBts of Holme-lane , near Bradford ... ... , 03 3 ] ~ T . H . Bangor ... 0 3 0 ~ Kingstown , Cumberland ... . " o 10 6 ~ tyra . Hartnesa , Brown ' s-row , Carlisle 0 5 0 „ Doncaster , per Q . B . Coamers ... 0 3 6 ~ Halifax atd neighbourhood ... ... 4 0 1 ~ a friend , Tillicoultry ... o 1 « ~ the Cbartista of Honley ... ... o 5 ti „ a few Printers at Stansfleld Mill , near Littleborough ... ... ... 0 o 0 „ a few friends at Preston , per G . Haiton ... ... ... o 3 0 FOR THE EXECUTIVE . From a pure republican , Mellor 0 1 6 J « , the Chaitis ; s of Newport , Isle of Wight ... - .. o 3 0 .
The Northern Star. Saturday, November 5, 1842.
THE NORTHERN STAR . SATURDAY , NOVEMBER 5 , 1842 .
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man Yiuage vmanve poutidB' weight of butter to sell . Having learned that in Carap 3 ie , about fifteen miles off , a certain price could be obtained—one penny a pound more than he expected in Balfron—the girl was ordered , if she did not obtain the higher price ia the village , to walk to Campsie with her basket . Tnc resuli was , that lhogirl had to trudge to Campsia and back , about thirty miles , to gain five pence for her money-making master . It is needless to say that her master did not agree to keep the servant in shoes . —Dundee Herald .
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4 THE NORTH ERN STAHy
Saving A Penny.—A Farmer, In The Neighbourhood Of Baliron, Sent Bis Servant Girl Last Week To
Saving a Penny . —A farmer , in the neighbourhood of Baliron , sent bis servant girl last week to
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Northern Star (1837-1852), Nov. 5, 1842, page 4, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct1185/page/4/
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