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      HOUSE OF LORDS . —Fhidat , Fkb 4 . ' Lord Moxteagls gave notice tfc * t , on the 17 th of Pebrnary , be -would more for a Select Committee , to inquire into the Exchequer Bill Fraud . Adjourned . tfoJtdav , Feb . 7 . The Lo *» Chascellob . presented her Majesty ' s answer < o * h ^ r Lordships' address in reply to the spt < t-b frura the throne , -which -was ordered to be inseatgd o * - the journals . lord Colyille brongM up the reply of Prince Albert to their Lordships' adiies 3 of congratulation on the birth of a Priiic * of Walsj . Their L ; rd ; hips scon after adjonrned .

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      HOUSE OF COMMONS . —Fbidat , Feb . 4 . - 35 urir , s the presentation of petitions by Dr . "Bowsing , Mr . O Cons ell entered the House , -wearing his gold drain of nnke , and was received with cheers by the Opposition . The * - *»¦ onal orders -were n&i and agreed to , on the mDVHn tit sir George Clerk . Mr . Brothebton intimated that he iconld brine fons-a ,-d a action that n ¦ opposed business sSonla r > e proceeds ! -aiih a ter twelve o ' clock atnight , unltss lt > u ilembt-rs were present . Mr . O'C < j » ' ; ei . l inquired what -rrere the intentions of GoTornitient rvsp-rcv . nji the subject of TEarnaEvs in Ireland oet tm ; Ep ' . sccpaJlacs and Presbyterians , -w hen Eolercn ^ ej h > Pi-fesb * terian cler ^ ymtn .

      bir Ko ;< kst Peel said the subject had been under the coniiutraticn of her Majesty ' s Govtrnment The recent ! . - » al decision had rendered it necessary th 3 t ah imciedi ' iie remtrdy should te applied ; and , therefore , a bill -wcni-1 be brought in to establish the validity of se + vzl Jiiarrisges . lime woDid be »^ iksn to consider the bts- mode of presiding a penaanent settltment of the general question . >* odce ^ ras given by Mr . C » RTEis that the case of Mr . E' . ion , a midshipman : n her Majesty ' s service , lutely disnnss-es a ^ ui punished for a breach of discipline , Tvould V * brought before ihe House . Sir John Easthcpe aiied Sir Robert Peel -what -were th ? iruenuciis 01 h-r Majesty ' s Government respecting Ch-arch-roles , as connected -with the proposed measDTt- : dative to the Ecclesiastical Courts . .

      Sir Kobukt . Peel replied * hat the bsil intended to be brought ui re . ' arcd to the jurisdiction of the Eccie-£ iasdc 3 i Courts , snd that it would net include any provision relative to Church-rates . Kir J'ih . n Eastbope " St ^ rri-d to pnt another question tntheR- ^ iit H -nourcbit : Baronet Was it the intention of her MBJ :-stys Government to propose to ParlL :-m-nt , duriEs ; tbe present session , any measure relative to Church-rate- * ? Sir lie be kt Peel replied that it-was notincontenipkiii- ' j ! to do eo . Mr . T Di . NCuJiuE inquired if Government intended to Iiitrodut * L . ny li . ea ^ ure ft-r p-: t . Eg an end to the Bh ^ ieB : lcsy-iem of bribery , to -wb : cn the mujomy of tbs houre were in debt -d for tbsirsea ts . SirK"i ; t :: ; r Psel thought that it -would be more ConTes ^ ct that the house should , in the first instance , diree : - r- itrenrioa to the ikport 1 st ccimnercial and rnaucioi ouestion 3 "which -were s&ortly to come before

      Xor 4 John Russell irquired -what coarse Sir Robeic P ^ el intended to puisne ia moving for a committee of the whole House on the la-ws relating to the importition of foreign corn . Axtst iorii ^ conversation betwen Sir Robert Peel and l ^ rd John KussJl , it was nc-ierstood that the plan "Wouiil bs br ^ ncht forward on VTe ; ln . ; sday , and that the £ s ; cu : ? i > n -st-oalil I tie plice on ti . e Monday following . Ths E \ rl < h March brought up the -resort on the address ; -np ^ a ¦ c rhicii Mi- O'Co > " ^ ELL took the ' opportucity of .-tsticg , that while he agrped CFnersIIy-vtiih thj . i < i 4 r > . sv he -wa 3 aiarnied by tha paragraph relating t : > thp r ? : r-t « : tion of ViJtera The Tory party had never ytt df-ce - m \ thing to ester .. ! the lir ^ rties of the ptop _ le . 5- r Ki . 'i ' . ERT Peel proposed an address 01 ' congratn-Htion to r .: s Ttr . yai Hsghncii P . incs Albert , on the birih c : tbc Prince of Waits . It -km * stciaucdby Lord Jo : ^ Russell , and passed crs * iii ! 2-:- * js ; y .

      L -rd StaM-ET . in movi ^ e fcr 1-are bring in two bi . ls c ^ a-rt - -.--i -= r ; tii E-nigrr . - . wn . entered at sonie length iBt ' 'L = subject . The object of the one Biil "'"as to anif-r .- * . t :. > - Act re ^ ith-g to tbe c » ri-iuge o passengers in merchant vesi--ls ; an-2 tha othi-r to reuulate the josr--FfT sni siirs of Jaiid ^ -e . eng ' ins ro the Crowa 5 c " the Au * tr > . 'jir : co'onies aiil 2 ve « - Zrii . ind . AKljoTJgh Go -s-tr-rr .-n' vlid net intmd to pr > :-pose any extenvivd schf-aie ' . f E : uierrtion . trey wish--u to give additional ficiiititi t-i tiat Toiuniary tuii ^ ra-ion vrhich W : is SiTttM ' . v an r : e i on io 5 j CTeit an tXlriit After Cct 2 i ]" : az

      the c- ' -j- ' - ' . a of tee re ^ Bill r-iiting the carriage of the Txu ^ ci . r-r ^ , L « rJ Stac ^ v entered at so ; ne Itrigtb into a ? v , rf-. i- ^ ut of th ? or . j ^ cts < f the otaer ~ B '" - \ , reliuii ? ty rb— survey riu . i * . '" . e of ] ai , ds in the colonies . Ee .-hurrt :: iiv varlouH statistical d ' . fe-ils the r ; p ; d increase of our Ars-jslbn co :. - > Eies ; sntl then stst < d the plan T > r < - > : > - ;??> i to br estnhiished , nxins ? be me If- ? n ¦ which coiMr . iai lands are to be her ^' ter Fold . The fjirern h msint t-n intr-r-daoe " = ^ 33 fo ~ aziC . ~ l on the rec ^' . inncii : v _ lt : n 3 uf the C-oraroittee on Australian C : > lordsition . lie lu-c-pc .-erl a sjst-im c-imooundcd of different

      j-lar : * , -sili ' icL -T 3 s Prthtr , ab > ola : e sale by ancfon , not a sile bj flic ^ d prc--, but a s ? le by auction , n ; t D ^ iuTa t--x . u ^; p £ nps ^ t TlT- " ^ - ' ^ Is n i ? int ^ ndra to be s := ld hsvivi ie-ji tirj' S '^ rveTfed an . l sla&iSrd . One- hilf of t ? . a jiracvur-U of ihe l ^ nd sal-j 3 u > be stt a =:: ! e f _ r prenj ~ ic ^ E » igr . tion , and the other half for co ! o- niai pun > >^ -s ; tee Jurati ^ r of the a- - * to be iiin . iteQ to tha life ui iier present 31-jiiiy , becausa there wtre donVa wii-tht-r : he Cro \ m revenues c- ^ uld be p = rHia- rtci .. y alf-n ' itud- Lord 3 . KUaSELL hsd listened ^ rtb interest to tbe stateii > rni ¦» ' jf L rd Stan .= y . After some general rems . r'ks i , z tL = ra -j ^ t of rmigrat ' . ou , he concluded t-y sias . L ^ ills -aO-ie " - ; - t > ste the -details of Lo ? d Stauley ' s plr . n . iTii -i . ; -r- ~*< d his intention of giving hi 3 co- CDtrif . on : c c-rrvtnesj ^ ic'u into ^ fiVct

      iix . W . » Jii > ai ^ o tXi-reASvi nis satisfaction the statement- oi L ^ r = i Stauiey ; and aftt-r sonic observations ir- » m -4 r . K- > eb * cS- Sir G . orge Grey , Mr . Smith O'Brien , ^^ d ilr . Yhzj-y , ie ^ vt was given to bring in the Bills . Tit fiun ? o . n-- "" j _ tirr . ' -d at hiif-pa--t sis L ll twelve en Sutnni-jv . for the puip ^ se oi going up with the Address to her 2 > i * j < -- * 'j . Monday , Feb . 7 . The Epkakeb rend the answer of her Majesty to the ainiress in rtply to the speech from the throne ; and J ^ otd . LiN ^ 'LTs r ^ ad that of Prince Alber : in reply to tbe andress to b's lt > yal Hi ^ bness congratulating him on ibe birtij of a- Prince of Vfaiea .

      POOS 1 A ^ " AMEXD 3 IEM AND ¦ FACI 0 S . 1 B . EG 1 . ' - LAT 1 <_» " ACTS . Sir . S , Wostlht . seeing his Right Hon . Friend tha Secretary for the Home Department in his place , he was desirous - - -f m ^ Kinc some inquiry in regard to t ^ o subjects of great ana general importance . Th » se two subjects were tne revision of the Poor Law Affifenument Act ant the lestwation of factory labour . ( Brar , hear . ) Hi 3 reason for putting these questions at the present um ~ was * fcat -with rtgard to the Poor Lzw n-o reference -was ius . « ie to it in her ilajesty ' s speech , and this omis ? : on order . or-JEr . i

      The SPEAKEa sail the Hon . Gsntieman must confine hiins ? U the question he desired to put . Mr . S . WoHII-EJ saiJ he "s ?^ s mo-olv aExicns to state his reason raf askitg the questions , iOrder ., Wh 3 t he wished ts ask his Ri ; ht Eon . Friend -was , what -was tie general course the Government intended to take in respect to the revision of the existing P ^ or Law , and alia -what "were their intentions upon the subject of rcgulit ' ing the labour in factories ? ( Hear , hear ; Sir J . 6 " . iHiM . who turned his baci to the gallery , and was coastqutrnt ? y very indistinctly heard , -was unierstood to sa ; . his Hc-n . Friend had prafactd l ^ is quwtior ^ by seme short though Eomewfcat irregular uhservatiens ai to omission in the Queen s speech . Ths

      reason that no not i ce was taken of the Poor Law in the speecii from the throne -was , that it wss considered alrsa » 3 y Rufikkstiy notorious that the present act would expire on the 31 s : of July next , and as senie mrasnre npDn tbe subject Tnu 3 i , tbertfore , be bronghtiorward , it v&a not thought that any especial mention of the subj ^ i -wis ueosssary . In reply to his Hon . Friend ' s question .- he had to state that it was the intention of her Majiisty ' s Govcrnmeiit to introduce a biil for the continuities of the Poor Law Commission ? and in that bill , ha Sir J- Graiiami ^ liouid propose to the Hocse such alterations and ameE-aBrnts iii tbe existing liw a « npou TU-iure deliberation , appeared to him necessary

      and proiienw With regard to the tirne of the intrudac- i tion of that messnre . that mast depend oa the progress j of otLi ^ r business -which "wonld be previously brought ] forward . A - fir ' - ^ s he couU at present speak ef their j int « -2 t 5 .-ns . Governmt-nt ilii not propose to bring in tht bill uati - airer Ea * t-T . A- to he second question which Ms Hon . yriend had put to him , -whether the Govern- ' m ? nt intended to bring in any measure for the regola- j lation el i-Avoi in factories , he had to state" in reply j that he hid fr . aDd a bill in his office -which had been prepared , he believed , by the Hen . Member for Perth \ blt- Fox ilaule ) , in cocfurmity -with the recommends- ; taons of tbe committee that had sat on the suVjject ; and he iSir J . GiTihana ! proposed to bring in that BUI -with ' some alterations . He might , however , mention , tb ; -. t : those alterations would materially affect the regulation of iufsiit labour between ths axes - * f nine and thirteri ;; as at present by Uw defin .-d ; and it -was also proposed to make Eome aiterr . tiuns as to tbe regulation of the ' labour of - * hat wer ^ cailrf joun ? persons—that was , ; persons between tae ages of thirteen and eighteen ; but j it -was not his intention , on the part of the Government , j to propose any such regulation as in some quarters tad been strongly recommended , as to the limitation ef the time of labour in f ^ ctoritrs of young persons between the ages of tairteen and eighteen , to , as some ' persons hope 3 , tea hours a day . —( Hear , hear , b ^ zi . ) I Lord Ashley begirod to know from his Right Hon . ' Fri = nd , whetkrr the resrulaiiona he proposed wita Ttspeeft to employaatnt of children between th 6 ages of ¦ ninft mnd thlrtctai , were those -which had bten recenj- j ) I | j ¦ t . ; | j i j j ' | .

      msnded by the committee of 1340 ; aui whether he proposed any diminution in the number of working - boursla regard to youn ^ persons between the ages of thirteen ao 3 eighteen ? ;

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      Sir J . Graham thought that his Nobie Friend would , on consider . t on , peiceive the -inconvenience of entering in' . o any explanation as to tbe detail of the measure at the pressnt- time ; as , if be ( Sir J . Graham ) did not fully exj > ln 5 n all the intentions of the Government , much misapprehension might arise . Ha would , therefore . , satisfy himself by saying , that no limitation in tbe hours <> f labour of young persons -was contained in the Bill ; and , with regard to infant labour , it would be inexpedient that he should give any farther explanation until the Bill should be brought before the House . In reply to a question from Mr . J . O'Connell .

      Lord Eliot said there -was too much reason to fear that the practice of maintaining -witnesses at the Castle , in Dublin , has led to to the crime of -which the culprit Delahunt bad buen convicted , and for which he had been executed . Still he was not prepared to say that * he practice should be wholly discontinued in the present state of Ireland , where in many cases witnesses ¦ would not be safe unless thuspravided for . In reply to a question from Mr . C . Bullex , Sir K . Peel stated that there was no intention to propsse any naw Judicial Office in the Privy Council , and * the reports to the effect that there was such an intention , were without foundation .

      PUBLIC PETITIONS . Mr . Wallace said , that , before making the motion of which Le Lad given notice , he -would beg leave to state , for the inform ? . tion of those geutlemen who bad been ne ~ ly elecied members of thit House , what the practice formerly was en the presentation of petitions . Before the year 1 ? 33 it was the practice of members to state the subject of the petition -which they presented in men manner as they thought proper . For years this . system was allowtjd to continue under the speakership i-f Mr . Manners Sntton . He did not mean to say thit , rre-3 t inconvenience did not arise when such a privilege ¦ wss pushed beyond the bounds of prudeace ; but he contended that the present restrictiens were exceedingly improper , h' ^ hly injurious to the interests of

      constituents , and , in--wha . trver way he viewed them , more rhe result of seifiah motives than considerations of public duty . The people expected very different treatment for their petitions from that -which they now experienced . Th-.-y were first laid on the table , afterwords j'Ut in a bag , and then thrown aside . He did sot mean to make any charge asainst tha chief clerk , ^ ho diii hi 3 duty in a manner aitngeiher irreproachable . There was a time , since tbe Reform Bill , when the petitions of the people were tre . ved with respect But it ¦ was the last Parliament—that Parliament to which he felt it fir from an honour to have feelongc-d—ia laugh )—fvr a mast rickctty , do-nothing Parliament it-was , and he feltt-xcteuinttly sorry te have wastci either his time or his constitution on such an affair . iLaughter j That

      was the Parliament which curtailed the liberties of the peopie in having their petitions read . As long as > t was an understanding between membtrs his respect for the usages of tbe House had kept him silent ; but since Fel > - ruary , 1 SC 9 , he had been nrnzzied . Tiie present , hi was told , was a strcng Parilament . Tat" Parliament which took away the iberties vi the people was designate , a Whig Parliament ; thsy had now a Tory Parliament . It would now be seen which party had the greater respect for the rijjht 3 of the people , anil : ' >> ove ail xcr their rigbt to petition , which he ( Mr . Wallace ) regarded as one of their most important privileges . It was doubtless of ^ reat importance that Ministers should ba enabled to begin business at an earjy hour ; no one was more alive to the necessity than

      hiiHsc-lf ; but great as -was his rv-spect for the privileges &nd convenience of Ministers he had a still hisber regard for the privileges of the people , which , in his opinion , hsd been denied thtm . Hon . Members were told that thsy could have their petitions printed with the votes , tut not . be it remembered , unless tbe Houss ga > e its f ' . notion . In the last Session of Parliament he had been defeated in an attempt to accomplish this object He baa b most important petition from some workmen at Ktlso to present , pn-ying that the laws which were passed might be prii-tcd as cheaply as the votes and papers circulated amongst the Members «> f this House , -He ( Mr Wa ' . laeei moved that it be printed with the votes . His name was put on tno list of notices of motion , but the sessi-jn passed sway without affording

      him an opportunity of bringing forward the matter . He again asserted the right of Members to enter into the -writs of petitions presented by them . Under the present regulation , the moment a Member got up to say .: ! iv : hJDg about . ; { Jrtition , another Hun . Member g' jt up v . i . i interrupted bhn . If he ucsvicd tbe clerk to read : h .- ucC : tion from the table , what was th-.- constqueuc-.- ? Vv'hy , if the prtiti ^ n came from many places in his ( Mr . Wallace ' s ; country , or from Ireland , the clerk might read the peti : ion . tut he much doubted if he would ba aK-tf to pronounce tae names , and what cn » l woiiid be : itU » iL-teii if tbe Huuse remained i » iani > rai ; cf of tbe

      c true of the plies frcm which toe petition proc-bJrd ? Sowe modifii-ation should be n : a <; e in the preset stTiEg .. nt . iule . alUiondi he was not prepared to r- ^ onimen ^ , a return t ^ the systum which preTai ! e : i . iuniig Ihs ptriod tnat L- 'rd Canteri ury held the Spervkvrship . TL ¦• preftnt m ^;' . e w ; is u-ju ^ t , imprudent , an . i c iicuiated tv cring the Ht-usti into disrepute . He i-.-lt sere that if be did nut ob ' -uui a u : ajority on his motion , at l « i-t he- would have inany m-re with him than he h ? . d had on tae hist division . lie was determined to a llitrre to the terms of his motion . Mr . Lfry read 'he cr ^ -r wiiich precitfdes Members from cntcing upon the merits of petitions .

      h I f-I t i-. ti a ( 3 1 y 1 . >; r . Wallace moved that thrf order be rescinded . Mr . Rosbuch . seconded the Hiotion . Sir R H . I > uus said that the Hon . Member who h :, d ' -roposed this motion ha . l c » n ; plf ttly f . iiled t « hring f rw ^ r . i any proper ara ^ iincnt upon which he could f--cij : . -she necpssity oi haviiigthe present rule resciniied . Did that Eon . Member kcow tbe numbtr of pfctit " -: » BS whi- _ h on an average were pr . ssnttd io this House ? There wtr f-titions i . rese : ted to tte House of Commons last session , a ; d ii such a motion as that vf the H -a . Mi-mber fo . Gretncek were c . issfcd , they should be pr ^ p ^ red to htar 10 SOI ! -petche 3 upon . uch of those pttitions , and perhaps 1 C S' > 1 spe ^ ch ^ s in rep . y . ( Laughter . ) J > id tlie lion . Member think if his motion were envnted , that

      c i he w , nld then be at liberty to make his spetch upon the presi-niit'oa of his petition fr-jiu the nun of K-lso , and that his ( Sir R . H . fnglis ' s ) Hon . Friend the Member : or the county could be precluded fiom niakirg his speech in reply ? D ; d the Hon . Member for Greenuck outsider what the consequence wou ] u be of lfe s {¦ i ;; te o ) tilings ? Why , in the t ^ urse of nature , it would be in : p > -ssible that this House coulJ do anything else , fruin tbe beginning to the end of the session , tiuin receive petitions , and listen to speeches upon thtm . -. Hesr , hear . ) A discussion might go an fer the period of six hours upon this one petition from the people of Ktlso ; : md , afttr ail , what would be the

      restut ? Simp . } this , that the petition would be « rdertd to lie ujjod tbe tabie . ( Htar , is ^ ar-i And h- j w -wi . iild the petitioners be benefited by this discussion ? To be sure , such a discussion might be supposed to excite greater attention to tte particular gr : eva . ncts th =. t might be coaiplained of —( hear , hear , iruin the opposition ); but it was a prait et > which would ; xi most usurious ' . y to tbe interest cf ihe country gerer-V . iy iniismuch as ft would prevtnt the possibility of ge ' . tin ^ tbruagh the real and ordinary buaicesa of the liouseiE « if , hear . ) A specific motion miglit at aii timts be brought forward by any Hon . Member of tbe House foi * Le ¦ Durpcse of bavin ? his petition read , but it won d

      . > r ustrciaoiy improper to ptrniiit the adoption of a ruh Mhi : h would niide this practice gmeinl . He appealed i to : hat House if , after ail , the result flf E'JCh a dircus-! sion wouid not be , " that this i > etirion * o or do not lie ' upon the fcible . " He bad said that the number of petition presented to the House last sestion was 16 801 , but the year before the number of pt ' . itions was 18 , 000 i Now , was it possible t ' . ^ at this House could do anything : elie than hear speeches upon f . ll those partitions , ever ' supposing that each spi-ccli orly occupied ihs space ol j one minuie ? ( Hear . ) TDe Hon . Member who wouiti ! present his petition miiht move to have his petition : read , and if one Hon . Member conld enjoy this riglt

      - what was to prevent every other member requiring tin ' same ? He had looted over the list of petitions which [ had been present d last year , and he found that tht ( average extant of each of those which were prittel ; was half a folio page . Thtre was si-arceiy anj ; p t'tion presented ij the House whica , if rc-ail ! thrc-ngh , would not occupy two minutes ; but j he would ask the Honourable Member for Grecock , j if he would be even content to be limited to two j minute ^ 1 There might be a good deal of reason in ' what the Hon Member had said , bnt it was phjsically ! impossible that , if the House concarrfa in his views , \ they could ds anything else from beginning to the end ¦ of the seEsion than receive petitions . ( HeaT , htar ] i The Hon . Member for Greenock has declared that ht

      ! ! : ¦ ! ¦ ! bar ! no sympathy vv . h the fifty or sixty bills which hi ; . friemis , the Ht « M ^ inistry , had brought forward , as hi , dfc 3 Cribt . 'd it , wi ; h such haste , about the months of Jum ! or Juiy . If th ^ t H-jn . Member had no sympathy wit ! tbrin , how could he be expected to have a sympath ; with those which wouid be brought forward by th ' < present Members of her Majesty's Governmtait ? Then ¦ . wai already a general understanding tbat when a pe-ti tion was deemeii of sufficient cons * quince and of such i nature as to forru tLe four . datien of a motion in thi H : > Uic th ^ t it Bi ! i ; ht thtn appear record ed with th : v- ) tes , on the presumption that tha Hon . Member wh > i prrsent ^ d it would a : a certain period call the attentio ] ; cf the House to the sublet it rtfrired ta ( Hear , hear . Then icdte i it was reasonable enough that such pttltioi : should be printed . He did not think that the reason which . , were urged in favour of aoy thange in the ex iiting roles of this House with resptcc to petition were of sufficient importance as tj induce them to giv up much of their time in the consideration of thi motion . : Mr . ROEBUCK said he was willing to allow the grea force of the Honourable Gentleman's ebseivations wlii hai just spoken , &s to the great evil which would exis if the time of tbe House were to be absorbed , in the wa ; the Boa Member for the "University of Oxford inia ? ined but he { Mr . Roebuck ! would > UK-gtst a course which h > might pursue under the present regulations , if he wc ^ at all disposed to absorb the time « f the House . Who ; cvl-t a pttition waa laid npon the tahl-j cf the Hcus * tLe Speaker was obliged ti pit the question , ¦ " th :: tfci . 3 pstition do lie upon tbe table . " Upon thst qne » t - _ n he ( Mr . Rocbncki hp . d a right , if be pleasea , ti divide the House . The House n * ktd him to vote uj-oj this qnestion , without ailtwirg bi . !« the benrfit rf tlJscussion . Now txat course ^ vss cejtaiclj ntve adopted , althongh he had cle . rry the rrcl t of tikir ^ : if he plesBed , so that even u . der the treiti . t xeeuia

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      tioiiii tUeir tims mi . ^ tt ta ^ en up in manner . He had abo the light of making the clerk read every pttitionthathe presented to the Bouse ; but was such a course adopted ? lu tbis way niigil't the time of the Hous 9 be occupied if Hon . Members plftTsed , but such a right was never taken advantage of . The iJon . Member for the University of Oxford said , that tiere were 18 , 060 presented to this House the year befort" Ja « t j but be ( Mr . Roebuck ) would ask the Hon . Memto now many of those petitions related to the question of tie Corn Laws ? How many of them related to the question of church extension ? Surely the Hon . Member did not suppjss that if he ( Mr . Roebuck ) had twenty petitions to present upon the subject of the Corn Laws that he would make that distinction between each as to avail himself of the right of making a speech upon each asd every one of tbem if the House should permit him to do so ?

      Mr . Bbotherton said he was quite convinced that the plan proposed by the Hon . Member for Greenock would never answsr his expectations . He had an opportunity of seeing the House before the present system came into operation with respect to petitions , and he found that the newspapers had not been able to report the discussions , and the time of tha House waB solely occupied by a few loquacious individuals . ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) He had himself attended for ten days successively with petitions to present , but could not get an opportunity for doing so . And then when he saw so many gentlemen with hundreds of petitions in their hands , his feelings prevented Mm from taking np the time of the House in spenkin ? in favour of his own . ( Laughter . ) He considered it quite impossible that the petitions could be presented in proper time to this House if a speech were to be made upon every petition . Jn such . 't cas « a few Hon . Members would not be honoured with any , because they would be

      unwilling to ni : tke a long speech in presenting their petitions . ( Laughter . ) So far from the petitions being presented now in a disorderly way , and , as it was assorted , " crammed into a bag , " he never saw them treated in a more orderly manner than sinca the regulations which were th&a complained of had been adopted . If Hon . Membars would wily state what the petitioners wished to have stated , the people would be quite contented . ( Lausbter . ) He should like , if possible , that the rule would be reJaxe-il so that if , after the nsuai petitions now presented betweeu the hours of four and five o ' clock , any Hon . Member would give notice to bring under the attention of the House a particular petition , he should h : iva an opportunity . of doing so . He did a ^ t think it woul d be fair tbat odo Hon . Gentleman should have the right of making along sptiech * vhile hundreds were waiting to have th * ir petitions presented . He was , therefore , constrained against his feelinss te vote against the motion .

      Mr . O'Connsll said , that there was no mode of reasoning Ices satisfactory than to presume tbat an abuse w ! ncb might exist -would really exist . Have persons been fv > und-to abuse the . ' privileges-of - this House ? What was the general character of this House on those , subjects ? It was quite clear that petitions were treated with a levity quite unbtscominK the character of this House whan it was considered that they had emanated from the people , whose grievances they were bound to pay attention to , and , if possible redress . It should be recollected , that a grout majority of the people were no-, represented , and they had no opportunity of getting themselves heard but through the members of this House , who were presumed to represent them . And , undoubtedly , they had aright of being listened to through the-, medium of pttitions . The former practice , he admitted , was somewhat inconvenient , but there might ba a middle course pointed

      out which would meet eveiy objection . His Honourable Friend , t ie Member for Sal ford , had made a strange speech in favour of the present practice ; but he ( Mr . O'ConneJl ) thought , thuthe had unintentionally shown the great inconvenience of the present plan . He thought thut it would be the better way to refer the subject to a Committee of this bouse , which would doubtLss devise some other means of giving a more substantial hearing to the petitions of tke people , so that no person should have a ri « ht to complain ; is at present , of the mockery and insult of throwing bundles of petitions upon tfw table together . He should hope , that the Houso w -uld proceed to rescind tho resolutions they hud cun . e to ou this question , and . follow up the course by insliiuting an iuvesti ^ U ion which , on the one hand , would fully satisfy the people , and , on the other , would project the time , of tb : s Hou ? e from being diverted from the practical performa . ucb of the public busiiwsa .

      Sir R . Pfel sai 4 , that if any insult had been -offered to the people who had petitioned this house—if any mark of indifference to or nt- «; k-ct of the feelings or opinions of the petitioners had been occasioned in this House , or , to us « the expressions of the Hon . Member opposite , if there had beeu a bundling in of their petitions , the faui : ! ay with tho Hou . Members themselves ¦ who resorted t > ihis practice which had been so much condemned . iKoar , LK-ar . ) A member , under the ru t of the House , which , by the bye , was carried by a considerable majority , had evi-ry opportunity given him of doins ; tvery justice t ) the petitioners , and of lajing tbeir Grievances before the House . ( Hear , be : ; r . ) Tho re .-oiutiou said , tbat " any member

      off-r-ir . 2 anv Drtition to the House : mut state the uiace from lr . jj any petition to Ine House : mut state tue place from whence it cuune " Xow the objiotion ^ nicu , hud beeu mi-it with resppct to the clerk if the House- not l ein « able tn pronour . co the Lames of Irish au ^ i Scotch pliiue-s , the Hon . Member having th « liberty ; jf stating those names , it was tbe dnty of Hon . Member * tw niakd themfelvts so Well acquainted with tht-in thut they coulil pron-iuncd them properly for the House , Uaughttr . j and not leave it to the clerk to ilo so for thorn . Thy rf-soiution went on to say , ' the number oi siguatureh and the material cortenta of tL « petitions cf such persi-ns as were ctniplp . ining of thrir grievances- '' If the petition cui ! ip ! ained of personal vi-. » S « jsc « or aach griovanoes as r ^ quirtd innnt « Hate redrtts , such petition cuuiii be at oi-ce tnttrtaiuea and discussed . ; Hear , hear . )

      • 'That . ill petitions reiating to a special object , an ? l upoi > . Members presenting such yeUtions , giving notice of tbeir intention to bring a motion of the j-ame description under the consideration of the House , buth petitions are printed , the Hon . Members giving notice of the day they intend to bring . forward the question . " Now . it appeared to him that there was every reason to treat the petitions tbat were presented to this House with the utmost respect . The Hon . Member for Batk haJ referred to the ancient practice of-Parliament on this But ject . Now , he recollected that when Mr . Manners Sutton was Speaker of this Hous « , a question urose of altering the * ystem of making Ions ; speeches upon the presentation of petitions , which was found to be exceedingly inconvtnu nt , and the Speaker thi . n said

      that , referring to the ancient practice of P'lniament , be had found that all discussion ha'i been prevented at ^ uch a time . iH ^ ar , hear i If . thuro-fore , they were to return to the practice of Parliament , half a century ago , it would appear that there was no such thing allowed as discussions upon the presentation of petitions . iH < jar , hear . ) To tiy this question with the strict rult ; of reason , every petition should be read by the clerk at the table ; strict reason erjoins this courso . ( . Hear , hear ) It was quite clear , however , that if this practice were general , the whole time cf the House , and t " 'iat of Hon . Members , would be taken up—( hear , hear );—and if Hon . Members , without talking so much , did attend caivfuily to the petUions tiny were entrusted with , the course of buniness would be very different from that

      st-lijch had passed . ( Hear , hear . ) He would ask , tad this ru ' . e ( liiinniBhed the confluence of the people in respect to this House ? Ctrtainly not , if they -were to judge by the increased number of petitions which hail been presented since it was adopted . ( He ; vr , hcarj And was it not much more rational te have those impoitant petitions printed , by which the number of thus petitioners would be recorded , and by which access would be always given for the inspection of them , than to revert to the ancient practice which Itept no such record of them , and which prevented . any reference to them afterwards . ( Hear , hear . ) Since the present ru's had been ' established , petitions to this house had increased on an average to 17 , 000 for each c-f the two last sessions , ( Htar , hear . ) . He believed

      that thi re was no altnrnvtive between adhering to the prf-rent rule , r . nd a rekxution of it altogethtr . If they permitted hon . members to exercise their discretion , the cmsequeDce would be that they would have continual rietafc-s upou the questions of petitions . They would nr . il that there would be many hon . members who would be much less anxious to do justice to . the grievances complained of in these petitions , than to stato their own opinions upon the matter . ( Hear . ) TLtae speeches would naturally provoke a reply ; the rcviy w . ; uld provoke a rejoinder , and thiy would thus finit th . mBclves thrown into the same condition they wtre twelve or thirteen years pco . I Hear , hear . ) It -was only the experience of tne ercat evil that attended ths former course , which led Pa . -liaiaent to adopt the

      present s ; stem . The 20 th of Feb ., 1833 , was tae day thut ' .. •}*• vrv-sent rules wereadepted , under the speaker ' ship of Mr . ivl , Sutton . As far as public feeling was concerned , th . ^ re was a general impression tbat tha time of this hou > : e was sufficiently ccn&uiued in inure debata . He did not mtan the count : y generally , butthose who formed the gtr . eral class of petitioneis . These appeared to wish th .: t Hon . Members should Otvota more of their time to practical reform , and less cf their time t 3 debate . If they found that , night afttr Light , the time of this Housu was consumed by a mere preliminary debate , he did not think that satisfaction wonld arise from such a course to any party . ( Hear , hear . ) If one Hon . Member should make a sptecb iii-en . the ' . presentation of

      bis petition , it would be very difficult to prevent others from occupying the House at an eqaal leDgth of time , imd they would find that the iuevitable result w . uld be that tLe House would be involved in a series o ! constant debates . tHcar , hear > Her Majesty ' s Gtovtrnmtnt had no object in preventing everjg , petition beiiig heard . Their only ohject was an anxious considcraiion that tfce buaioess ^ f ltgisl&tion should b « proceeded with . ( H ^ ar , hear . ) He thought that in spite of the most conflicting advantages the rule was a wise er . e . Their time wa 8 the property of the people , and he thought tha ; they diverted more of it than was mt ^ eiiiary from the real and practical business of legislation .

      Mr . TVakley said if Vis Members of the House of Com n ; ans co > . o u ; t rd them stl ves in a more proper manncr few-. r ptt t -,. ns would be presented ; bet ; in consequence of their acting in direct opposition tj the public will , and oj-posing the best ir . tertf-tsef the comrcusity , the people a : nii . it dtspaired if obtaining redres ? . Ha ( Mr . W . ) w ^ d suggest one u' . ode of lessening the number of petitions , in addition to that of imrroving

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      their con . luct , ami that-was by shortening the . duration of Parliaments , and allowing Hon . iVlernbera ^ to go back to taair constituents more frequently to give an accewnt of their conduct . Unfortunately they bad now a leaaa for seven years , and before the expiration of one year , those who sent them here felt themselves under the ne-C 8 asity of petitioning for an alteration in their -.. mode of proceeding , and when their petitions were presented no discussion was allowed , but the substance of the petition was merely to be ttated . And this was called the House belonging to tho people . Now what was the line of conduct pursued in the other House of Parliament ? The matter ought to be looked at in this point of view . There were two Houses of Parliament , one hereditary , the other pretending to represent the people . In the

      hereditary House the petitions of the poople were adequately discussed— in ^ fact ,- ' thewi \ waa no limit tp the discussion ; but those who pretended to-be the repreaentatlvea of the people in the House of Commons were so gauged and muzzled that they were not allowed to nrake a single comment on a petition complaining of appblic grievance . If Honourable Members were not to be alldwea to take care of the interests of the people , they ought not to j > e allowed to occupy their seats , and the sooner » vwh a practice as the existing . one should be abolished the batter would it be for the intetesta of community at large . ( Cries of " question , Queition . " ) After a few observationa from Sir W . James and Sir V . Blakk , which Were qiiite inaudible , in consequence of the impatience manifested by the House ,

      Mr . Wallace replied . Whatever might be the decision of the Houso , tho question would be still open , whether turae compromise might not be agreed to , or whether the present fltringeufc rule ami positively " be adhered to . In the years 1833 , l $ 3 i , and 1835 , when honourable mem bets were allowed to raise debates upon pttitions , niore bushiHss wtw done than in any thrte years since that period ; and this was a proof that the time of the House was not wiiBted in a useless manner by debating on petitions . The real Waste of the time of the House was in tbe monstrous pi-acties now established , of debating one point for four or fiys nights successively . ( Hear , hear . ) When a debate arose , if the constitutions of Honourabl 9 Members would not allow of . thtii continuing to ait Until its

      conclusion ,, thay ought nt onw to resign their seats . ( Laughter . ) He had not . thu least doubt that the next week ' s debate was completely arranged by Hon . Members on both sides , and that Ui 6 debate woultl last from Monday until . Friday . It was such discussions as those of which the people cpniplainod , and many Honourable Members entertained similar opinions . Ho had no doubt that ^ committees of the House endeavoured to do their duty with respect to petitions ; but when the Lib . jur was heavy and coiltinueus lie wr . s almost afraid that they did not pay proper attention to them . Besides , after they were . leli-eted , they we e not printed and in the hands of

      Membets bel ' otethe expiration of three or four weeks ; ami if at that period they we ' re to be offered to- the fourth estate , the leaders of public-, opinion would laugh at them . They must have their political food day by day , and they muse h ; iv 8 it hot and hot , or they would uot have it at ail . . ( Lu ' ughter . ) With respect to the remark uf the Hon . Baronet the Member for Oxford , he ( Mr . W . ) would always be content to confine hiniaelf to the sjjace off'V'o minutes in the presehtatioh of any petition ; and lie would venture to say that the brains of those wtie not much who c ' euld not express what they meant to say on such a subject in that periods ( G-ieat Lunghter . ) The House then

      divided—For the motion 5 » ¦ Against it ..................... 237 Majority 187 On the motion of Mr . E Tennent the Houee resolved itself into , a committee on the copyright of designs , and on the Hou « e resumiiig leave was given to bring in " the ' Bill , which purposed to extend the copyright , to nine ; mouth ' s . Adjourned .

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      BR 1 DP 0 BT . Mr .. William Joy , shoemaker , East-street . Mr . William Prideaux , tailor , West-street . Mr ; John Squiroi shoenaaker , East-street , Mr . William Gilpin , weaver / Su ' Michael ' slane . -: : . : ¦ •• - . ' ¦/ . ' ¦ ¦¦' ¦ ¦ ' -... ' . ' . •; - . ¦'' " - . ' .. ' ¦¦ ' ^ ' ¦¦ : . - ¦ - . ¦ ¦ ¦ ' - ¦ Mr . William Ewett , shoemaker , East-street . . ¦ J ^ . - 'Joan'Northmo " re ,. iail © r , 'Barrack-Btreet ,- ; subr Treasurer . .: ¦ ¦ '"' - '¦ . ¦' ¦; . ¦ ,.. ' " . ¦ .. - ¦ . Mr . Joseph Haines , warehousemaD , North Mill , sub-Secretary . READING , ( ADDItlONALi ) Mr . Ephraim Rous , tailor , 3 , Moulton-place , Hosipr-strpflt .

      Mr . William Pilgrim , p ' Turfer ,- SpTing-gardens . Mr . James Dawson , euglnee r , 34 , -Thorn-street .-Mr . Thomas M . Wheeler , 7 , Mill ' s-buildings Knights bridge . BABNOLDSWICK . Mr ; Ralph Slater , Lane-bottom . Mr . John Hey , Wapping . Mr . John Shut , Wappiiig . Mr . ChristopherStarkie , Town-head . . Mr . James Keell , Wapping . Mr . John Hodgson , St . Thomas-square . Mr . Allen Edmonson , King-streei . Mr . David Jenkinson , Wapping , 8 ub-. Treasurer . Mr . Richard Wright , sub-Secretary .

      SAtFORD—YOUTHS ' . Mr . Charles Cooper , spinner , St . Stephen ' s-place . Mr . Jonathan Pickeriug , weaver , Dawea-street . Mr . Richard Brown , bpmner . Back-street . Mr . Thomas Hiudle , dyor , Brulgewater-street . Mr . Elliot Buckley , mechanic , Market-street ^ Mr . Kobart Roberts , dyer , Arlington-sire . et , sub Treasurer . Mr . Robert Ramsden , spinner , Gardea-street , sub Secretary .

      TIIORHTON . Mr . Samuel Stork , shoemaker . Thornton . Mr . Jonas Mitchell , weaver , Maitkiln . Mr .. George Jowett , weaver , Thornton Hei ^ lit . Mr . James Hiiinsworth , weaver , Ball-street . 5 ( 1-r . Jamos lUingwoyth , weaver , Clayton . Mr . Jolio Peel , weaver , Bailie-stile . Mr . Isaac Watson , weaver , VVuxkhouse-fold . Mf . Joseph Sinub , Weaver , Cowgill . ¦ Mr . Richard Barker , weaver , Green-lane . Mr . G : orgeGray , jiinor , New ^ road , sub-Treasurer Air . John Hiudle , weaver , Ball-street , sub-Seer « tary .

      SUF . I'FIELD . —POUTICA . T . INSTITUTE . Mr . Wiliiam Gill , scale cutter , Sparrow-lane . Mr . James Mackettiick , brush-maker , Pinstonestrect . . ' . ¦¦ ¦' :. - ¦' .. ¦ Mr . Joseph Marsh , stone mason , Milton-street . Mr . David Walker , labourer , Johnson-street . Mr . Joseph Harrison-, wood turner , Nursery-street Mr . Richard Oilev , tobacconist , South-street , Sheffield Moor . Mr . John Drinkwater , pen blade grinder , Upper Thorpe , Mr . William Frost , news agent , Bridge-street . Mr . William Wells , e'erk , Duke-street , rJoor . Mr . Henry William Necdham , cutler ,

      Broomhallstrftet . Mr . James Dyson , mechanie , Little Pond-street . Mr . Charles Wilden , steel buraer , Thomas-street , sub-Treaturer . Mr . Robert King , engraver , Canning-street , sub-Secretary .

      DEBBY . Mr . Eno 3 Ford , joiner , Ci y-road . Mr . Vincent Perry , framework-knitter , Leaperstreet . Mr . Edmund Greccock , ribbon weaver , Williamstreet . Mr . Henry Knoot , cooper , Thorntree : lane . Mr . William Wheeldon , tailor , St . Peter ' s Churchyard . Mr . William Chandler , ribbon-weaver , Leaperstrect , sub-Treasurer . ' . ' . ¦ .. ' Mr . John Moss , cordwaioer , PJumtree-square , Derby-lane , sub-Secretary .

      TOWER HAMLETS . —BOOT AND SHOE MAKERS . Mr . Robert Charles , Gandey-court , Bow . Air . William Thikini , 51 , Nelson-street , Bethnal Green . Mr . James H . Knowles , Windsor-street , Bishopgate . -.,, ' -. ¦ Mr . John H . Smith , 28 , Alfred-street , Stepney . Mr . Noah Duller , 26 , Baker- ? treet , Mile-find , Old Town . Mr . Thomas Hodgson , 51 , Nelson-street , Bethnal Green . Mr . James Tagut , 10 , Camden-street , Bethnal Green . Mr . William Henry Wilkias , 19 , Gibraltar-walk , sub-Treasurer . Mr . Pettr Sadler , 1 G , Star-street , St . George ' s Ea ^ t , sub-Secretary .

      LAMULEV . Mr . Wm , Cross , Framework-knitter , Smith ' s-row Mr . John Sa-eet , Ditio , . Pi : iglfl House , Mr . Jo .-eph Ga . wtftt ; ru , l ) itt « , GrecJi-Jaue . Mr .-Jo ' I-h Bingtiam , Ditto , Smith's-row . Mr . Henry Seiby , Ditto , Chappel-lane . Mr . Samuel Parnham , Ditto , Nottingham-road , sub Treasurer . Mr . WiiEon Plant , Dittto , Godbdr ' s-building , sut Secretary .

      MARPLE . Mr . John Kershaw , dresser , Marplo . Mr . Henry Bonnet , dogger , Compsiall . Mr . John -Hoiiiugworth , spinner , Mill Brow . Mr . James Shepiiardj carder , Mill Brow . Mr , Charles Barber , spinner , Mill Brow . Mr . Juaies Ratclifft ) , publican , Compstall , 8 ut rreasuver . Mr . John Platt , joiner , sub-Secretary .

      SliERRIFF HILL . Mr . Cuthbert Peel , miner . Mr . John Rodders , pyt-painter . Mr . Robert Bertram , quarryman . Mr . Joseph Ciarkj ditto . Mr . John Dunn , ditto . Mr . Thomas Finlay , ditto . Mr . James Scath , miner . Mr . John Southern , miner , sub-Treasurer Mr . Nicholas Hanii , tailor , sub-Secretary

      DERMOA'PSEY LOCALITY . Mt . John Gothai-d , 2 , Pauline-street , Bermondsey . Mr . William Bliss , 9 , York-street , Rotherfcithe . Mr . Htnry . Russell ,- bootmaker , Bond-street , Ro' thcrhithe . Mr . William Jones , tailor , 2 , Fendall-streot , Ber-¦ ' mondsey . Mr . Henry Foster , hatter , 238 , Butler ' s-buildings ^ Beruioii'Jsey . Mr . Charles Jeans , hair-dresser , 1 , Snow ' s Field's , Bormondsey , sub-Treasurer . Mr . John ¦ Maynard , " 'Norfolk- Cottage , Hunter-Btreet , Dover-road , sub-Seeretary .

      THORNTON . Mr . Samuel Stork , shoemaker , Thornton . Mr . Jonas Mitchell , weaver , Maltkiln . Mr . Qecir ^ e javvott , weaver , Thornton Height . Mr . James Hainsworth , weaver , Ball-street . ¦ Mr . Ja , me 3 illingwortli , weaver , Clayton . Mr . John Pee ) , weaver , Bailie Stile . Mr . Isaac Watson , weaver , Workhouse Fold . Mr . Joseph ri . 'iuth , weaver , Graon Lane . Mr . George Gray , joiuer , New road , snb-Trea-• surer . Mr . John Ilindle , weaver , Ball-street , sub-Secratary .

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      REPORT OF THE DEPUTATION TO FACILITATE THE PRESENTATION OF THE MEMORIAL TO THE QUEEN . TO THE FRIENDS OF FROST , WILLIAMS , AND JONES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY . Friends of Freedom , —Fe : ; rgus O'Connor , Esq . having bbeii appointed by the General Committee cf Bivimugiiam , lot ; the' restoration of the above-named p . 'itriets , to present a number of memeiials-to her Majesty , in person , and Me having been depute ! by theiaiil Conimittee to forward tbe same to Mr . O'Codiior , and to give him such information , in our capacity of coiumittea men , as he might require , we deem it our duty to place bt fore the Coinmittee ancl the country the result of our exertioii 8 in that object .

      We went from Birmingham on saturaay evening . On arriving at London , on Sunday morning , we pro ^ ceedert to the house of Mr . O'Connor , at Hamraersinith , uud ou gaining luhiiittaiice wo told Mr . OConaor the purpose of our vliit , when , after a leng conversation it was ultimately agreed that Mr .. O'Connor should present the original memorials to her Majesty at , the earliest opportunity , Mr . O'Connor saying he would get a court dress made for the occasion , to present the uuittd prayer of the industrious classes at the foet of wfiinaiiR tbrene . /

      Jlr . O'Connor having stated , both in his letter to the comuiittte at BiriningUani and in his conference vrith us , that the memorials should be left for him at Mr , Cleave " s , 1 , Shoe-laue , we accortiingly left them with Mr . Cleave , who exwessed hia willingeess to assist in their presentation by all means in hia power . Feargus O'Connor then advised us to present the new memorials to the Home Secretary ourselves . We , therefore , on Monday , the 24 th ult ., waited at the office of the home Secretary , whom we found We could not see upon any account , the person whom we Say ? stating that » U iuemorials went through bis hands to the Under Secretary , and thence to Sir James Graham , and from him to the Queen .

      We oinitted no opportunity—we left no stone unturned , however , to gain admittance to the itome Secretary . We weut away ; and coming again , saw the samo person , when we represented to him rthat we were deputed to present certain congratulatory addresses to the Queen , '' thiough the Home Secretary , and that we were requested . 'by our constituents to present them only

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      to Sir James Graham ; but the object of our search was not to be seen , the person who represents *! himself to us aj head clerk stating that if we stayed there a mon ^ h there was no other channel for addresses to the Qtfeen than through his hands . SeeiDgno other alternative , we therefore ultimately deliveied them to this person , who took them into the .. office ; and on learning their contents , came and said he had given them , to the Under Secretary , and that the Committee who sent them would receive an aDswer on their being presented totheQueen ,

      Trusting and believing that the good the Committee aim to accomplish will be obtained- by the decision and fetraightforWardness of their course , and knowing . the difficuities it has already conquered , we , the deputation , look forward to the time , at no great distance , of seeing Frost , Williams , and Jones , by the help of the country , restored to the arms of their admiring countrymen . ' ¦ ¦ ;¦¦;¦ " : .- ' ' - ¦ ¦ ¦ ' :. ¦ ' ¦ - '' ¦ v . ' .-. Yours , very faithfully , Walter thorn . John Baeratt '

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      ¦ : >~ - ^~—¦ .. . m > ~~~~ - ~~ - ~ ¦ ¦ ¦ -. -. ¦ - . THE ADDRESS OF THE CHARTIST rOUTHS OP . SHEFFIELD TO THE YOUNG MEN OF THAT TOWN AND NEIGHBOURHOOD , ADOPTED AT A MEETING OF THEIR BODY . JAN . 30 , . - ! 842 . . ¦ ' "¦ " ' ' . ' ¦ ' ¦ ' . ' ' ' . ' ' '' . " ¦ . ''' : ¦ ' ¦ " ' - . ¦ ¦ ¦ " The virtues or vicesof a -state are the effects its of - legislation . ''—Helvetius . Brothees , —When we look around us and reflect on the state of our country—when we view the pomp , spVenilouv , and luxury of life enjoyed by the so-called " hiijhfcr classes' * oh the one hand , and the misery , want , and wretchedness— -the lot of tfeo toiling ; classes , on the other—we are led to ask , How this is?—what

      is the cause ? Is it the will of the Deity that one portion of his creatures should starve while there is plenty in the land , jind another portion to riot in profusion ? No ; this caunot be . What , then , is the cause ? The cause is to be found in the grasping seifisLnjss of the few who , usurping the reins of Goyernmenr , legislate for their own exclusive benfit , and to the injury or the labouring classes- of ' 'society "; an eminent writer has well sa \ d that all the evils ef a state flow from its government , and to remove the evil we must remove the eaiise . Yea , we must unite in x > ne bond of brotherhood , and in the strength ef our moral power aim that blow at the citadel of corruption which shall cause the stronghold of tyranny to totter to its fall .

      We appeal to you , the youths of Sheffield , to come forward aud join our Association , aud to help us in our stru # /? le to . fr ' ee-onr native land . The only remedy for existing wrouga is to be found in the People ' s Charter It will give usa voice in making the laws we are bound to ol * ey , and enable us to protect bur labour , and secure to . ourselves the frnita of pur toil . If the present state of things is to continue , what prospect hare we on reaching niaturity , but that of weaving the galling chains of ¦ . ' slavery" our fathers have too Ion j ? home . : Shall this be . ? Let every heart feel—let every voice echo- — No ! Let us rally round the banner of freedom our fathers have unfurled and assist them in that cause fur which a Hampaen bied on the field , and a Sidney died on the scaffold . . ' ¦ '¦¦ .. " ' ¦ - ' '

      We are , urothers , . Yours , fraternally , Thomas Woodcock , sab-Secretary National Charter Association Room , Fig Tree-lane .

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      I . EITS . —Glorious Triumph op Chartism . — Ou Monday the League held a public meeting in the Rev .. Mr . Marshall ' s chape ) , ' for the purpose of sending a delegate to the conference in London . They evidently wanted to steal a march on the working men ^ by posting their bill late on Saturday olgSt . The Chartists , however , were on tbe alert , and had a bill out early on Monday morning calling on the Working classes to muster in their strength at two o ' clock , and we were not disappointed . John TilitcheH , Esq ., was proposed and seconded by two of the members of the Anti-Corn Liw Association , as chairma ' n , when Mr . M'orriaon , a working ; " man , was proposed in opposition , and on the ' sense of the nieetinc being taken , the voteis

      in his favour were almost unanimous : There was much Confusion for some time , and oh order beintf restored , Xlr . iiitcheil commenced a very able speech in defence of the" Corn L : iw agitation , which ; would have been conclusive'to all who had not considered both sides of the question ; kfe finished by proposing " the Rev . Mr . Harpar as sv tit and proper person to represent the town of Leith in the ; conference . " He was seconded by Mr . Crawford Barker , ivir . Tankard , chair manufacturer ^ proposed an antend . ment ,- " That thiB meeting is of opinion that the appointment of a delegate to represent the inhabitants of Leith in the approaching confwen . ee'Js . - ' . totalJy uncalled for ; resolved therefore that unjust and cruel as the Corn Laws are it . sees not the shadow of a hope that these bad laws can be repealed

      so as to ensure the people the full benefit of such ; until the People ' s Charter shall be first made the law of the land . " In a Ion ? and able speech Mr . Tankard shewed the injustice of the landholders denying that land to the necessities of tbe starving niiHions which they use only as covers for foxes and other vermin . Mr . T . was ably seconded by Mr . K * jrr , schoolmaster , and the amendment ' - . and motion being regularly put , the first was carried by a tremendous majority , amiflst-a cbeeriitg and clapphi ? . &c > that be ^ gftrs description . The church holds 1 . 500 , ib was crammed above and below , and noc more tfian fiffcyr'voted-f « sr the original motion ; the National Petition was then unanimously adopted , and after three hearty cheers for O'Cennor and the Chatter , the meeting quietly dispersed .

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      From the London Gazette of Friday , Feb . 4 . BANKRUPTS . Edward 'Mallan , Great Russell-stre ' etj , Bloomsbury dentist , Feb . 16 , at one , March 18 , at eleven , at the Court of Bankruptcy , Baeinghall-stre ' et . Solicitor , Mr Whittington , Dean-street , Finsbui-y-square ; official assignee , Mr . Lackington , Colenian-street-buildings . Richard Irwin and John Gould Irwin , Manchester , drapers , Feb . 19 , Alarch 18 , at two , at the Commisswners ' : Roams , Manchester . Solicitoiis , Messrs . Slater , and Heelis , Manchester ; and Messra * Milne , Parry , and Morris , Temple . , . . "'" .:- ' . ¦' .. David Davies , sets ., and David Daviea , jun ., Glanclywedpg , Moptgomeryshire , flanafcl-manufacturers , Feb . 23 , 'March 18 , at eleven , at the Oak Inn , WelshpboL SoLiaitors , Messrs . Drew and Wooaman , Newtown ; and Mi- . Weeks , Lincoln ^ Inn . ; ;

      John Hay ward , M iiverton , Warwickshire , miller , Feb . 14 , Masch 18 , at twelve , at the Xansdown Hotel , Leamington Priors . ; So icitor , Messrs . Rushworth , Staple . Inn ; and Mr . FcrcJeryLeainiogton , ' William H'tap , John Roberta , and JVilliam Roberts , Padihani , Lancaahire , cotton-spinners , Feb ^ 22 , at two , March 18 , at twelve , at the Court House , Burnley Solicitors , Messrs . Cragg and Joyes , ; Harpur-street , Red Lion-fquare ; and Messrs . Alcock and Djxod , Burnley ' - ;' J « n ; cthan Nash and Robe ; -t Lucas Nash , Bristol , brewers , March 1 , ' at one , 18 , at two , at the Commercial Rooms , Bristol . Solicitors , Messrs . Goldrey and Fellovvea , CUippun'hairi . Wiltshire ; and Mes&is Hillier , Lewis , and Hillier , Raympnd-buiidingB , Qraj'a Inn . ¦ -

      Thomas Cheshire , Smethwick , Staiierdshire , miller , Feb . 11 , March 18 , at twtlve , at the Waterloo Roohis , Birmingham . Solicitors , Messrs Toofce and Son , Bedforiishire ; and Messrs . Uhett and Sons , Birmingham . ' . ' .. :. ' .. " ¦¦ . '¦ ¦ : - . '' - ¦ .. '¦ " .. ¦ : ¦'¦ ' . ' ¦ James Buckett , Great Bourton , Oxfordshire , sheetdealer , Feb : 21 , March 18 , at eleven , at the VVhita Lion Inn , Banbufy . Solicitors , Messrs . Cos anil Wiiiains , Line-. ln ' s-inn-fieWs ; and Messrs . Walford and BosiblOT , Banbury . . . ..

      PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED . W . Huffinann , M . Nourse , and J . T . Woodbury , Manchester , men ' s mercers . J . Bur ^ in and J . Broadi ; ead , Shtffia d , manufacturers of " tine scissors . W . Jiwkson , S . S . Jackson , J . Jackson , and J . Jackson , Leeds , tobacco-manufacturers ;; as far as regards Joseph Jack 30 ii . . J . Muspratt , R . ' Daglishi juu ., J . Speakman , and W- BrotiuloWj Parr , Lancashire , coal proprietors , as far aa regards J . Speakman and W . Brom'ilow ' . C . MLatchvtt aflrt H . Matchitt , Salford , Lancashire , cottondealeM . . J .. . F- Parkin and J . Parkin , Sheffield , eagravt > rs . P . Kitching , S . Kikhibg , and G . J . Hoderuesse , Manchester , straining-cloth-mahufucturers . J . Elg in , and J Heseltine , York ; druggists . J . H . Filler and C . P . Allan , M&uchester , fuaUan-Manufaeturers .

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      . . : From the Gazette of Tuesday , Feb . 8 . BANKHUPTS . Luke Whitby , builder , Grteu Dragon-yard , Whitechapel . .- ' :. . ; . - . ' . : " , ¦ . - ¦'' ¦ . - - ; -. ' . '' Morris Schlessinger and Michael Samuel Schlessinger , merchants , Basinghall-atreet John Woodcock , builder , Stratford , Essex . William Vaile 4 lacenianj Oxford-street . George Thomson aud James Forbes , corn-fact <>«» Crutched-friars . Joseph Miller , John Campion , George Craddoek * patent sail-cloth manufat , turera , Stockton-on-Tees , Oaihaui . '¦ " .: ' . ¦' . . ' : ' ¦' ., . ' - . - ' ... ' . . '' . ¦¦ - ' . ' . ¦' - .. '• ' - . ¦

      John .. Bowers , grocer , Chipstead , Kent . Charles Augustus Cantor , merchant , Upper Montagustreet , Montagu-square , Middlesex . ' Richard Btackwiore and John Craven , corn-millers , Wakefleld , Yorkshire . i John Rivis WiUoushby , stone mason , York . John . Protheroe , jun . j iron merchant , Bristol . _ Joseph Greenweli and Stephen - ' Oreenwell , miners , Sharfoith-mill , Durham . > William Robins , ironmoDgeri Sto » e , Staffordsuire . Richard Watera , iron-plate-manufacturei ' , ¦ Newport , Monmoutkahito . : - .. ' ¦¦ . ¦ . ' : : ; .: ' # John Higgins and James Mannocli :, pukinfield , Cheshire . ¦; . ¦ ' .. "' , '¦ - . . ' ' ¦ ¦¦ ' ''" . '' •¦' ¦"; ¦ G ^ orgiana GifFord , schoolmistress , Fulham , Middlestx-. ' : . '¦ ¦' : ¦ ¦ - . " . - . ' - ' ¦ "" - . . ' ¦' ¦• ' ¦ . ¦ . .

      . ¦ .- Thomas Appleyard , stone merchant , Halifax , York shire , - : ; ¦ :. . -: ' ¦ " . ¦ ¦ ' . '' ' /¦ - ... ¦ ' ¦ ¦ ¦¦ ¦ ; . ' . - . ' - - Edwatd 'HaHiley , cloth manufacturtr , Leeds .

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      Nominations To The General Council.

      NOMINATIONS TO THE GENERAL COUNCIL .

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      YEW GREEN . Mr . Benjamin Gledhill , weaver . Mr . Nathan Thornton , weaver . Mr . Dnviu GledlnU , smith , Lockwood . Mr . John Thornton , weaver , Moor-End , sub Treasurer . ' Mr . John Ashton , weaver , Yew's Hill , sub-Sc cretary . ' ¦ ¦ ,. IPSAVICH . i

      Mr . John Cook , shoemaker , Cox-lane . Mr . Donald M'Pherson , tea-deajer , Hosolane . Mr . George Terry , coach trimmer , Bridgestreet . '¦ .. '' .. Mr . James LwdcT , carpenter , Rose-lane . Mr . John Brown , carpenter , Rose-lane . Mr . Wrllsam Lyon , carpenter , College-street , sub-Treatiurer . / Mr . William Gafrard , carpenter , Falcon-street , sub-Secretary .

      DAVENTRY . Mr . John Warwick , cordwainer , Abbey-end . Mr . Win . Askew , ditto , ditto . ¦ Mr . Wm . Smith , ditto , ditto . . Mr , Wm . Ta . Uet , ditto , Church-laoe . • Mr . Daniel Dawson , p bonkeeptr , Brook-end . Mr . Charles Peet , chiiniiey-sweeper i ditto . Mr . James Lawson , Taylor , High-Ktreot . Mr . TJiodas Webb , cordwainer , Union-place , sub Treasurer . Mr . George A&hwell , cabinet-maker , ditto , sub Secretary . nniGHToN .

      Mr , R . LandsdcU , hairdresser , 18 , Marlboroughplace . > ir . Robert Colling , schoolmaster , Church-street Mr . R . Allcom , carpenter , Trafalgar-street . Mr . J . Scott , covdwainev , Union-lane . Mr . Thomas . Reed , cordwainer , 101 , Edward street . . . Mr . W . Woodward , news-asiontjSO , Union-place Mr . G . Giles , cui-ptnt-. r , HiAmpton-cottajje . Mr . J . Alien , carpenter , 34 , tipper Gardener street . ., ' ¦ ¦ Mr . Richard Harvey , cordwainer ,. Church-iitreet . Mr . F . Page , ditto , 3 , Kew-strecc . Mr . J . Pas ? e , ' . watchma . ker ,. 14 , Cainelford-street . Mr . James Fleyman , painter , 45 , Hanover-ter

      race . Mr . James Lawless , bookbijuler , 4 , Rarby-plaso . Mr . Wr a . Flower , shipwright , Silwoodrsireet , sub-Tn a-urer . ¦ Mr .-Nathaniel Morling , House-agent , 22 ,. Albioastreetj sub-Secrelary . ROTIIEllHAM . Mr . John Crowther , Pigeon-lane . , Mr . Samutl Linley , Old Holland . Mr . Samuel Earushaw , Glasshouse-yard , Masbro . ' Mr , John Roberts , Ma ? bro Common . Mr . John Foster , Wellgate . Mr . John Smith , Well-gate . Mr . George Ramsden , Oiimill-fo'd . ' Mv . John CHarrow , Old Holland , mb-Swretary . Mr . William Ibbetson , Crofts , sub-Treasurer .

      HOLBtXK . Mr . George Chambers , wheelwright , Holbeck-Moor Top . " Mr . William Wade , fns inp . eT , Woitleyrlane . Mi . William Ward , . brickmaker , Sodom . Mr . Charles Cludoray , brush fiuirfhi .-r , Portlandstreet Mr . James Stead , clothier , Low Moor Side . Mr . Joseph Wilkinson , " mechanic ,. New Wortley . Mr . Thomas Westorn , bru . ihmaker , Lady Pitlane , Hiins'et . Mr . William Harrend , labourer , Hoi beck-lane . Mr . Edwin Gaunt , clotb dresser , Wordey-lane . Mr . Wiiliam Baxter , cloth vveo ver , Dennison-row . Mr . John Davies , brush maker , Mount-street , Holbeck , Riib-Tifasurti-. Mr . Richard Rylands , cloth weaver , Horae and Jockey-yard , Holbeck , sub-Seoetary .

      COLNE . Mr . Hugh SchchVld , Cplne-lan ' e .. Mr . Ely Baldwin , Union-street . Mr . Robert Rush ton ,.-. Dean-fold . Mr . James Mooney , Hi ^ h-street . . Mr ; . 'Jam ep'Ru . sliton , . . Colue .-iano . Mr . John Lambert , jmu , Patty-houses Mr . William Smith , sub-Treasurer . M . Henry H-ickeori , sub-Secretary .

      STUOUDWATKR . Mr . John Hattov ) . Mr . Marmaduke Michinson , Rodbero . Mr . Ambrose Parsons , Stroud . Mr . John Harris , Rodbisro . Mr . Wiilium Judd , Stvoud-hiU . Mr . James Newman ^ New Mills , sub-Treasurer . Mr , Herir / Pritchard , tailor , Fiaher ' d-court , iiub Secretary .

      MIDDLliWICH . Mr . John Jepson , hatter . Mr . Edward M'Kenna , small ware dealer . Mr . George Collins , ditto . Mr . Samuel Coirke , labourer . Mr , William Slater , painter . Mr . Richard CiftTke , labourer . Mr . Michael Twiglcy , wool comber . Mr . James Walker , boot and shoe maker , sub Treasurer . Mr . Thomas Cotterill , boot and shoemaker , sub Secretary .

      BOSTON . Mr . James Thompson , shoemaker , Tattershallroad . Mr . Robert Nichols , shoa maker , Colly-street . Mr . WhU ' e ' j ' tailori Goodburn ' s-yard . Mr . David Waterfiold , tailor , Fowler ' s-row . Mr . Frederick Womer , clock maker , Chapelrow . Mr . Samuel Baker , tailor , Chapel-street , sub-Treasurer . Mr . Samuel Slight , school [ master , Tattershallroftd , sub-Secretary .

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  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), Feb. 12, 1842, page 6, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct1148/page/6/