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      Social Lectures . —" We hear that Mr . Bucb&naB , from Manchester , is to- lecture in the Social lastitatioQ , Manchester-street , on M . onda \ aud Toursday evenings . A Shopocrat ' s Sympathy . —A worthy shopkeeper , of New-some , alter the collection uf the Stephens Fund , was asied if he had contributed . His answer was—he had never been solicited . Two friend * waited on him the following daj ; there happened to be the Rev . David Butler present , sad the shopkeeper thinking he should bw solicited , sa . d he would contribute Is . if he thought it wo .: ld send Mr . Stephens to Botany Bay . BA&NSLEY . National Ekxt . —The sum of 12 s . Id . national rent , and 7 * . 31 . for Stephen * ' Defeace Fund , from a few friends at Darfi-ld , near BarnaleT .

      Northe&n Union . —The membe r * of the Northern Unioa met at tie house of Mr . Michael Tieraey , the Commercial Inn , "Wilson ' s Piece , on Monday evening last , Mr . Peter Hoey in the chair . The business ef the meeting was opened with the reading of & paragraph frem . th . e Leeds Mercury ef t eatcrday last , parporting to be & reps ' rt of the proceedings which took place iatie Odd Fellows' Hal ) , daring the deli re y of the anri-Corn Law Lecture on the 23 rd in * t ., by Mr . Greig , of Leeds ; whirh report , being full of mis-statemeBts respecting Mr . Crabtree and the Chartists , called forth the disap-: probation of the meeting , go much so , that a committee was formed to reply to the statements therein

      . The meeting was then addressed at considerable length by Messrs . Ashton , Crahtree , Collm * , and others , on the conduct of the Government respecting the prosecution of the Northern Star , and also the conduct of ou ? representative , Mr . Rider , in the Convention ; after which the fallowing resolutions were carried : — Proposed by Mr . William Ashton , seconded by Mr . George " Uttlsy—1 st " That we view with contempt the infamous attempt of the ' base , bloody , and brutal "Whi g faction ., to destroy , by persecution and incarceration , that indefatigable and uncompromising advocate of universal liberty , Feargus O'Connor , hoping thereby to rew . rd the attainment of Universal Suffrage , ' and eventual ;* - to stop , by convictions under the abominable law of iibtl , the publication of the Sorit . ern Siur

      , in cossequence of iu unparalleled circulation , and determined opposition to tyranny and oppression . "We , therefore , pledge ourselves to support the horthern Sfnr under any circumstances , whether a # a stamped publication , or in the other alternative , should the infernal prosecutors of its proprietor darr to ^ withhold the sump * , and we hereby hope the inhabitant * of the United Kingdom will jpeeSih come to the same determination . " Propastd by Mr John Widd .-p , seconded by . Vr . J . Crabtree—2 n »' . " That we acfpiy regret the ridiculous conduct o ! our representative , Mr . Rider , in the Convention , more przk-ularly knowing that it is not the fir- * time that he ha ? insulted that body , aud latterh having , by his inconsistent and highly reprehensible conduct , created ( by nuwarrantable remark * up- > r > members of the Convention ) a wide breach of

      cocnoence , ana given to our enemies an opportunity ol niakiug invidious observations upon the members if that body , which we are pledged to support at ensry n . « k , we , therefore , consider him as nnh ' t to be ou ' r reprtseataiive . " 3 rd . ' * T&it a delegate be appointi-d to attend the delegate meeting at Manchtster , en ths < 3 : ii day o : May next , for the purpose oi assisting in the arrangeinruW which , will [ here be made to a ;< ist in carryiEg out the ohjeet * of tbt Ciirter , aid that the expenses of the * u cne be paid 021 of the Juais of this Af ^ ociadon . " —i ] timers . Crabiree ati A > b . ion having been proposed , and a show of hands being in fivoar of the latter , ht was accordingly elected delrgate to attend &t Mao-Cnt-itrT .

      " vYoesbjio' Common Umon . —At the request o ] tie Iri-h Catholic members of this Union , the following resolution was left entirely to themselves —Proposed by Patrick Bradly , and seconded by Join Caaciff . " That we , the ir . sh Carbolic memoe-. s of the Worsbro' Common Northern Union , having viewed with indignation and contempt tbe efjrrs rcide by tbat wrttcced apostate , Daniel O'Co ^ neli , alias Bimfyidc Moore Carew , the kina s : ; ae beggars , alia 3 tne Irish Monteitb , to

      prtrezi inv peopie of Ireland , and the lri ? hmen res ; d ; cg in England and Scotland , from joinirg the Chartists in their endeavonrs to obtain Universal Liberty , by si&iicg that the Chartists were enemie .-to the Insh Caujohcs , aadboastiog that the lrishir . t : i ia England ani Scotland placed no confidence in Fearg-as O'Cocnor , Richard Oastler , aDd the Re ; Mr . Stephens , we , the Irish Catholic members ri this Union , ihrow back the vile calumny in tar teeth of tie traitor , and we tell him that he lies in

      every statement ce has made concerning the Chartists ; asd we , at the same time , tale this opportunity o : stating that we have the most periVc cosnaesce in that noble minded patriot , Fcargu .-O'Connor , to whom we give the honourable appellation of tee Iri-h Wallace , and in the truly j . iou ^ and heaveaiy-minded Mr . Stephens , and in tae good and philosophical E . jchard Oastitr , and that are a-c eetermined to support them by every means in oar power , wfells ; we stall always view OXonctll and his P " - ? py son ? , and all the scoundrels wco fortr his tail , a * the meanest and basest of wretcbt * , whose whoie stadv it is to rwA ^ e thpi r forfenes on

      tne rmns of their unhappy and betrayed conatry ; and we call npon every one of our countrymtn , wbo has the * maiie ? t spark of freedom in their breasts , t » come forward , and join in the ^ lorioo * strupglr thct is now being made by Englishmen , Scotchmen , and "Weichmen , in the heavenly caa * e of libem , srhicb is the cause of God , in order that they may prove they are the descendants of the brave Iri-hxaen who ofun fousht and bird for the liberties ol Ireland" 2 sd- " We , the member » of the Worsbro ' Common Northera Union do , in the most soUma ani unequivocal manner , pledge ourselves ro snpport the Sorihtrx . Star , so long as it continues to advocate the iuLerests of the working elapses ; acd ,

      sao- _ ia th * bas-e , bl&ady , and 'brutal Vfkigs , or anv ether base aad detestible faction , bear whatever name they may , attempt to put down the Star , or in any way to coerce our noble and UDCompromisiD ^ advocate , Feargcs U'CouHor , we wilt resist them to the uttermost of our power ; and wt tell the bloodthir .-ty factians to beware bow they handle the people ' s champions , for we are aware that , thrnagh them , they intend to strike at the last remaining vestige of British liberty , —but we tell the infernal nsonrtrri . should they « nctseed ib placing our indomitable champions in bondage vile , we will speedily bring a power into action that will burl the trairurs imo eLernirv . "

      TO THE T . DITORS OT THE XORTHSItS STAJL . Gexti . eme . v . —In yoar Star of last Saturday it is state-J . thar I refused your correspondent admittance iato the galiery of the O-id Fellows' Hall , when Mr . ¦ Greig was delivering his lecture on the Cern Laws ; whea 1 did so- 1 was not aware that Peter H <> ey was your correspondent , nor did he tell me tbat he was such until iho constable came , whom be stated his occupation to , thrn he was immediately admitted to . Le ija-lery , as he trouM Aare Iteen irkftout u irort / , Jttfl J ku ' jwni or hud he told me thai he held that ¦ s-iuntu ) . !; bot it has been generally understood here tact Cra . btree was your correspondent at Barnsley .

      who had been previously . aitr . itted icto the gallery . It serins fir&nge to me tbat 1 should b blamed for that offenr . r ^ and being 8 subscriber tj yonr paper , which 1 always admired , for it would have made co matter to me who went into the gallery , ' but when I let-the Hall I wish to accomodate toy customeri , be whom they will . When Mr . U'Connor was here the corn » ittee ordered me to lei no men ^ o into the gallery ; 1 obeyed their order * , and when Air . Greig gave me orders to let a fear friend . * into the gallery , bDt not to crowd him , 1 did my best to oblige him ; and as I consider it to be my duty to ti-se wfeo may taife tLer Hall . three for the

      The Star slates proaiiS were given keeper of the hall , if there were I did no : iear them nor did any one that 1 "hare asked . ^ Bv inserting the above m yoar valuable paper oi next SiturJay , , You will greatly oblige yoars ^ THOMAS WHEATLEY . Odd Fellows' Hall . Barnsley , Apr il 30 th , 1 S 39 . - - ; : hoebto' . .-.-,. - YTohkisg Men ' s AssocrATioN . —TbeHorbory Working Men ' s AssociatioH Bave raji > l * td to call a pablic meeting in sapporfef ibe P « yTe « Jpfcarter on ThHrsdaT , the 9 th oT May , to W heldTwai the church , to ' which ^ rcrel s ^ angers- hare been invited . . .

      HOmLET . - ; Komhbm V * ion . — l-b « member * cflbe ab ^ re Union met on Tuesdaj evening J » f r ™* ^ following resolution wai nnairimotwj . agitetfte-. ' That this meetiDg place * tb « » ort « pn « t « n fidence ia FeargTas O-Connor , E « q ., ani ^ bej' ptedfe themselves to stand by him , *> teng ^ a * . Je ^ tinue * to advocate the pr inciples hv bas UrtWrto done ; and we firmly belies that the > fe « fnt pewecurios ti inter ded to pat do * "H the Jto ^ fMrn-Star , but we are determined to uphold it wtfg »_ « firmly advocates the p rine ; plK « of democ « cy . yv . also express ocr eoDfa'deDce id Mr . t . Pittetbtf , M- P « , £ er Bnssev . aad all st ^ an ch friend * Xt > tise

      C 2 U « e . ; Pzep Gbe . es Meeting . —The KadicaT * o ' Honley have engaged a band , aod are making active p . - rparations for the Pet-p Green Mteting .

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      SHSFFXEiP . " * t ^ I ^ St ^— At a meeting of the member , of the Working Men's Association , and rbe ^ habuanta of Sheffield generally , at their r ' oom MechMu « Institute , the following resolutions were unanimously adopted :-l * t . " That this Assertion duly apprec-ating the value of the Northern Star newspaper , a * people ' s paper , and the wide and deep txtent of its usefulness in making them know their wrong ? , and as a rallying point of their force , forobtamng their just rights , we hereb y express our ouqualified sanction , and pledge ourselves to encourage and support the Northern Star , and it . proprietor , Mr . Feargas O'Connor , and condemn tne hise , mean , and eowardlv Government prosecution-of him . " - 2 niT . " Th-t cVw resolution be sent to tne northern Star for insertion . "

      BB . AHXPTON . _ Female Radicals . —A Female Radical A . « o tiarion was founded here on "Wednesday evening week Mrs . "Winter was called to the chair , and hrty-tbree females enrolled their names , and the following resolution was unanimously adopted :-That it is the opinion of this meetin ? that the present system of Government is alike unwise , impolitic , afid unjust ; and to assist in remedying it « -Slanng abuses , we , the females of the Brampton Kadical Association , are dett-rmined to support , by every means in our powf-r , the delegates of the incustrious classes assembled in London , that we , with our husbands , sons , aed brothers , may see the People ' s Charter become the law of the land . "

      EOCHDALE . Public Meeting . —On Saturday last , a public meeting was held in the Butts , in this town , called by- the high constable , Mr . B . Heap , to petition Parliament against the New Poor Law , and to express their disapprobation against the same ; Mr . James Taylor was called to preside over the as * emaly , which consisted of upwards of three thousand persons of all grades of politics . The following resolution was moved b y Mr . William Kobinson , seaoBaeabr Mr . T . Lirsey , ai . u ably supported bv J . Bronterre O'Brien :-Int . "That it is the opinion of this meeting that the Poor Law Amendment Acrit contrary to reason , ju-tice , and humanity ; and that instead of bettering the condition , it nas teuded to degrade and dt moralize the labouring population of this connfry . " 2 . Moved by Mr i ^ pf &s . " oiro . ' sanded by Mr . John Chappel , ' lbititwthe opinion of this meeting , that the House of Commons hiR no right to take the manangement of local affairs out of the hand * of the people and vest it in three Malthusian despots at fcomewt-hoase ; and we are of opinion that the people Have a prescriptive richt to a substance in the land of their birth , superior to the right ofland-. ord » to their estates , or to the power assumed bv any lewslatsre ; and we farther are of Dpicion that if it-be attempted to enforce the New Poor Law in this union , i : will be resisted , aud that it will ultimately lead to anarch y ar . d confu-ion . " 3 rd 'That the Chabraan « ian the Petition nn behaif of the meeting , and tbat John Fielden , Esq .. be reqoested to pretest the same to the Hocse of Commons . " The meeting was ably adurt-scd by several pereen * and the peopie dispersed without ' any disorder , only now and then a pistol being fired into the air from people in the cro ^ d .

      Fkmai . x Radicals . —The Female Radical Soc : ety . establi-ht-d ia thi- town pots on rapidly , a each meericg ntmbers enrolling themselves , d ' eierraitied to a ^ is : their bu > i » aTid >< , fathers and ' ^ ots to work out their political , salvation or fall in th- - - attwnpt . Petty Sessions . — On Monday b ^ t , Charles Bamfcffd , n woollen waste dt-a ! cr . ' was brought up " ny J . Wfiitirortfc , inspector of worsted and wools for thi « district , lor having in his possession a qcanrity of bice and white pulliugs , or woollen wa « te . Bamford bruught forward i Mr . John H"vle , a maniafarturer , who rwore he had sold the Blue aid

      some of the white waste now produu-.-i . Several cert . ficates from ie « ptctable maaulacturtrs proved 'hat Bam ' Gr 4 waj a" regular purchaser of their was-e , bat they did no : prove of any advantage to the ct fen a ant . He » is con-rimed in £ 20 . —Samuel Fielcing was charged by Edward Ain-worth with ha-. icg tept back 201 bs . " of his wof-1 , which he should nave had along with some other made into a fi * nnd piece . Fitloir . g stated fie lad beca told by Ainswor : h to maie stout goods , and if he put more woo ! in there than was weighed him he would mate it ' -P ; m some occasions be had put fcur or live pounds tno much in . The Bench , ordered the parties to retire ar . d male up tbe affair .

      MANCHESTER . The following are the sums received b y the Manchester Council : — £ s- a-Thomas Boys U 0 2 Jonathan Holland 0 16 Four Mefchanicrf , by D . K 0 4 0 Mr . Chambers 034 Do . da 0 l 3 A few Fnetds .... 0 8 0 Mr . Bfatheil 0 3 4 i Harrington acd Co 0 J 0 * . " J . L 0 5 0 Ladies' Shoemakers 10 0 VulHam M'Lockton 0 3 7 Kr . S 0 6 ' 2 Mr . Bcthell 0 ] 10 A F . iend 0 0 6 M r . G 0 0 5 } James Morgan 0 3 8 ~ Females of . Xo . 1 , District , from &orton and Clayton 0 6 8 Mr . John Livery 0 1 0 Fernley ' s Spinners 0 1 4 Tbnma . sBojs 0 0 2 . Mr . Grtsty 0 4 9 Mr . Hey wood 1 4 G . Mr . Ro \ L 0 10 ¦ S . C . . ' . 0 1 4 Ann Bethell 0 0 8 J . Fletcher 0 0 6 Mr . G 0 0 71 Trie following resolution was passed by the Manchester Council : — " Tbat tie Dt-leuate Meeting on Monday , the 6 th of May , be held ar . toe Mitre , close to the Old Church , at the hour of eleven ia : 1 ip forenoon . "

      SALFOBD . Radical Association . —The member * of this Association held their weekl y meetiDg on Monday j st , in the Satford Town ' Hall ; Mr . "William Duiton in the chair . The following resolution , inovfd by Mr . John Tlarracioueh , and seconded b y Mr . Richard Beii , wis unanininusly agreed to : — " Resolved , —That this A-ssociiition are astonished at the-dariug attemp ' s cow being made to Tob the working peopie of rhtir ri ghts to vote in their local governments , by a bill now before the House of Commons , called the Rating of Tenements' Bill , brought into the Hou * e by Mr . Joseph B .-o ' . herton , which hag the monstrous proposal Jn it to transfer the ri g bt of voting from all houses below nine pounds from the tenaDts to the landlord , on the UndJords paying such amount of rates as the Board of Guardians mav think fit . "

      Agitation in Pkudlkton . — The following working men were appointed to attend a meeting in Pendlrton this evening : — . NJe ^ rs . Richard and Edward Ca . 'sidy , Joues , Campbell , Addy , and Duttoa , : o obtain the support of the people in the struggle for the Pf > opk- '; Charter . The meeting then arjourned till Monday next .

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      ( Continued from our Jirsl paze ) only the men ol Lancash-re ar . d Yorkshire , but al > o on those of Binninghanj , ard every other place where tbey had b ^ en properly roused . The very able , clear , and copious r ^ p ^ rt jn . * t made by ijr . O'Brien , greatly limited his labours on the prespnt occasion , and he promised that be would not travel out of the record , but confine himself to the subject-matter of hii motion . He was snrry that his hoiu friend , the Chancellor of the Exchequer ( Mr . Rogers ) was pot present at th <> moment , as he-would have . something to say regarding tie expenses of ike delegates while attending the Convention in the country . It was quite true that the air of London aid not at all times agree with the delegates ; they required a more bracing and purer air , and be thought the objects of the Convention would be

      best attained bj sitting in Birmingham . They were informed that there was a great want of uniou among the men of Birmingham—that th «* y werf apathetic—that there was s slackness of agitation in its' » eighbourbood . All those -were good reasons for fl » e ^ Convention goiug there . The delegates wdold dtvide t ! -. pmselvex into agitating committees . ftridJ ' theTrork wouH go bravely on . There was a grt-at dek \ of pride and vacity amonfst the human race ' . ' * Tie men of Birmingham had put their shonldeT » to the wheel in 1832 , aud they had CPrtainly carried tke- Reform-J 3 iH . Let tho CoiiTeDtidn go ainflOfSt liiein ; * h ** thpea that in lS ' 3-2 they had failed U > secure tli ^ se rithts and privileges , and they , by their pride , woxld ba rou ^ d to join them heart aid Uan < i in jheir struggle for the Charter . It wh * certainly very essential that the Go \ trntuent sliouVl know that the delegates therv assembled retabedtke

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      confidecce of the great ' body of the peopie , in order to shew that , let the Convention go amongst them , and thi-y would sit and deliberate amongst from 15 . 000 to 20 , 000 of the working classes , while in the evenings they would have meetings of thousands around tlit m in the Bull-ring . Of course if his motion were carried , it would be necessary to vote a certain sum of money in order to carry the delegates down . II mattered not how the money was spent , to that it was laid oat in the manner best caFcnWd to get up laeetiog * . For that purpose where was any place so well situated as Birmingham ? ia goine to any one place , with the single exception of Bristol , the Delegates appointed to attend meeting * had to go through Birmingham , and aenin had t , >

      pass through in retnrn . Now if the Convention were gitmig there , there would be a great saving of expense in travelling . The Court , wherever it went , generally corrupted the public , but their Court , the Convention , wonld purify it , and raise it in the noaal scale . The whole of the numerous letters which they had received that morning , Kpokc- ' of ' tbe necessity lor the attendance of the Delegates at xhv large meetings to be held in WhiUun-week ; the far ifreater number were from the North , aad the sivmg of expense to the Convention by sitting for a time in Birmingham , would be immense . He knew that some were in favour of titling in Manchester but considering the state of the population of that town , he decidedly thought it would be imDolitic to

      go there at yment . He could not sit there one week with patience , seeing the population as badly off af am as they were when they thought tuer werl > suffering almost starvation . In Manchester th ^ y would deliberate and decide from pa » sion ; in Birmingham they would act with judgment . He knew that the country was anxious to see the Convention remove lUelf from London , and to see it hold its sittings in some of th « Urge towns . Let the Convention go amongst them , and its moral force would act aa a check to , and control , the physical-forco men . He was perfectly convinced the people generally would act only according as they were advised by the Convention . ( Cheers . ) He was sur « of it ; then why not let them go down amongst Ihem ? Every LondonWhi

      paper m , g or Tory , were leagued together to misrepresent all that was done by them they carefully noted down every Word of dissension that occurred there , but altogether omitted their unanimity . They must act by and for themselves , and put an end to that discord which had reigned amongst them . He told them some days ago that advantage would ba taken of their disunion ; and that very morniug , a manifesto of O'Connell ' s and other parties had been pnt into his hand * , wherein was promised even , ' sort of suffrage but Universal Suffrage ; but , then , look at the policy of the matter—if it were to catch any of the flies of the Convention , it would turn out that no one had promised it—it was not signed . In that place , they dare not say that the Convention was the fountain of all ' law and justice—he dared them to say that in London , but let them go down to Birmingham , and they would be obliged at once to declare that they alone were the fountaiof all law

      n , order , and justice He trusted the London delegates—those trentl-men who went to their homes every night , while the country delegates were looking for lodgings—would not oppose the motion , but cordially agree in it , nnd jjo into the co-iinry , and see with their ow a eves , the state of organization in which it was . Lone on had had the benwfn of the labours and information of tb ^ country delrgates— then why should not the country have some of the advantages of these of the Loudoh men . ' He thought his motion was one that , if earned , would prove beneficial to their views ; and , therefore , he trusted it would be agreed to Mr . O'L ' kien understood that the Petition was to be presented on the fa ' ch of May—if it were * o , ho wouid have much pK- ^ ure in seconding the motion . His opinion was , that up to the presentation of the Pennon , London was the proper place for the Convenunn to be . (( 'heers . ) Hr had not the slighted objection to go to Birmingham immediatelv after

      Dr . Ketcher wished Mr . O'Connor to fix the dnte somewhat later—say the Monday after the leuti&n was presented . He thought t ' bp question was one which could best be considered in a Committee . He did not genially approve of business being left to a committee , yet the present one he thought could be bitter diseased in a committee of three or four persons than openiv . Mr . O \ Bi : inx—It wa » to be .-e ' membered that the business of the Coavention did not close with the ' rresriiration of the Petition . Dr . r-nrn-HER—Did Mr . O'Connor Bgree to his proposition .- becanse , if not , he ( D . V . ) had somo ' re ; i « ons to oiler ae . uii > t the motion .

      Mr . O Loxnok said it was well known that their labonrs only commenct-d with th ^ presentation of the . Petition , but he wished to aid each success i ve attempt by external attempts . He wished the Convention to aid the Petition—its sitting at Birmingham to aid the bringing in of the Bill—and tlu > simuliaueons meetings to aid and assist the ulterior proceeding- which tbey might as ^ -ist . Dr . Fletcher did not wish for any delay beyond the time nee .-ssary for seeing and consuming upon the matter with the memb-r . « wbo were their friends He . however , wi .-brd the Convention to go to Man- ' Chester . After apologizing to the peopltTof London for the manner m which he ha-1 spoken of them , which he said he had done in their public ahd aKgregate characu r , nud not individually , he said he wished the Convention to go to Manchester , where the people were well orcaniz-d . nn < l itlwrn th .. v

      showed none of that npatby , which Lad been shown by the men of Birmingham . Besides , the latter place was torn by faction ? , and their proceeding would not be free from it there . In the neighbourhood of Manchester , there was near a million of people , well organized , and determined to stand br tQ e Convention , and giva them fvery protection . Ihu' question would soon arise as to -where ths Government would attempt to lay hand upon them j th-refore , he would be among < t a large population which was devoted to the Convention . He woull . therefore , move that the Convention go to Manch «« . ter on the 13 th inst .

      Mr . Duncan seconded the amendment . He had no doubt but tbat the Whig and Tory pre- ' s of London would all say that the Convontionhftd ran ior it , but he cared not . He liked Manchester be-if because it is further north . If th * proposition were to go to Glasgow , I woold like it nil - the tetter . ( Lbeers , and " We will go there too . " ) u He was sorry tbat the proposition had been altered He liked the day Hr .-t named best , because the latter nereiy put it back four days , and that was lour day ' s postponement of ulterior measures , which it was necessary to consider as soon as possible . The London people had had th-j advantage—the privilege of having the Convention amongst them tor three mm ths , and it was but fair that the country should have thesame . He doubted whether

      t * ie Petition would be presented on the ( ith ot May . ( Yes , it must . ") He was afraid it would not , ii « he understood that the negociations between the committee and the Member * who were to present the Petition was not iu a i ^ vourable position . One of them said , ' Before I can present your Petition , yen must pass a certain resolution . " This was dictation with a vengeance , and ought to be ncoutt d . ( Hear , hpar , hear . ) He had txpected that tkere would have been a death struggle between the Membprs in tiieir favour for the honour of presenting such a noble Petition . ( Cheers . ) The excitement in the country was to know what ulterior measures the C- nveation would recommend , and he was sorry that they had lost the four ds > y « before settling that question .

      Mr . Rogers did not see 3 ny very good reason against the motiop , but he could stf no good reason for running a » ay from their post .- ) at the very commencement of the bu ? iness . ( Cheers . ) He rawnogooi reasrn why the Delegates should not go down to the country , and see their constituents ; but they were « ent to London for a specific purpose , and they had no right to run away until they had performed that duty . Dr . Fletcher said the people of Manchester would protect them , but wh » t was Dr . Fletcher going to do ? ( Laughter . ) He ( Mr . R . ) wanted the protection of the jaw ; . he had been

      a Reformer » iace the days , of Major Cartwright an ! Cobbett , nud he had' never ' yet recommended any d-pariure from legal and luwfnl means . Ho had always advocated the right of resistance as being the best and dearest rightof the Mibject , but it could nevtr be nsed propeily until { ill constitutional mean * had been triuci and . fniied . IVy had not used one tithe of thosp means vet , and the question was whether the thne > f resistance hadi arrived . He thought not . CjrcDBiitances ' mign ' t anse which might render it necessary to meet' their constituents , but it was not necessary £ 0 fix any particular day . -- - ¦ - - .:.- ¦ - ••• : ; •!( ¦ ., . '

      Mr . Sasket cotiM not agreer With MV " O'C 6 nnor ttmtthe Convention was tire fountain" of all law and jnsti-e . He did no : agfte in' eitHefof th ^ propo . n . tions before the Convention , and -woaltfj 1 therefore , move the previous question . Mr . Lowery was of'opinion that the Comention ought to adjourn to Birmingham , Manchester , or some of the Urge towns of the-N < irth ; bu ^ ysjUi fins resrrvHtion , that thej were bouncj to waitanLgudon until the Petition bad been presented , a ' p ' d leave askt d to ferine in a Bill . After tlia ' t tiiae it wtfald b > the duty of the members of the Convention 'to teH

      the people what steps had been taken . : All they now had . to consider waa the nlteriar measuretvwhicu ought to be nJopted , and . the committee appointed to consider those measures ought to be pj-epawfljio state , witbia a day . of the presentation ,, of t , h * , Petition , whatineaaureg . they , recommtnded . He thought a ter tbe Bill bad been , rejected ^ they ah . Qftld still " . tit In London "fqi 1 tWo' or three diys , to ' ^ pn ' sider whatiiejwif would he necessary" ttf ute . '" Afi 6 r thattlifty Mg \ t leave Loirdori ro ? the coahbT-, and h * -yboQid second tfie ame ' ndniedt for " adjourning to Mauobewter , ¦ " "' -: . -- -.--- -. ; - - ¦

      Mr . RicMAHDsdoutted whether the Convention bad tht » pdwftr to leave London wiibout bdrig recslled by their roujtitoenU . At aH eyents , they conld not go until after tbe presentation of the Petition , and a > king for leave to bring iu the BUI

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      the objects for which they had assembled ; He should second the i > re * iotis qu ^ jtion . ^ Mr . Smart was decid »? aly ^ f apii > bn thA Convention oogbt to cantinue its Hittiags iii thi * plftCft nntil the late ol both measures ahonld be koown . After tluy were rejected , it would be of no n » e « ontinQiug hero any longer , and he should bo in Jatuiir of adjourning to Birmingham . Mr . Burns aai-1 the duties of the member * , who lad been sent here , had not been yet Ialtilled , and be could not support any motion for adjournment until the result of tht-ir application should beknown . He ahoyld prefer Birmingham to Manchester , when the uow for adjournment arrivedVbut he would now support the previous cjuejjtion ., , . > lr . Hartwei . l would vote against Mr . O'Connur and against Dr . Fletcher , for thirf reason , that their duty wan only to superintend the presentation of the Petition . . ( Hyar , hear , ) It appeared to him that the Convention could not adjourn on the letch of May , inasmuch aA the Bill Wonlil not be introduced until that time . ( Hear , hear . ) He Had i » ol . jfcnon to any part of the country , but at present would be for staying in . i / Oadqn . , . ¦

      Air . Wimt , to . E . — , \ ff . HartwelliniiMr . Lowefytare reduced the question to . » plain statement of aritbineticin » avinflr ( hat vie should embarrass ovt position by s ^ joarnhig etatf ^ here . He thought the amendifientof Air . iankny , would be the be » t plan for their adoption . ( H . nr , hear . ) He r . gretied that Sit . Duncan , who Wsw highly ch >»< tPW 0 rorftJidiscr ..-two , did raske any strictures on yie M « uibera' of Parliament who were to support th . 'ir petirionV He ( Mr . Whittle ) was as much inclined to p&aa censure on Meuaoer * of Pj ^ iwaient : m any one of the b > nly , but he «> uld no * oh this ' occasion think it wiso to tnake such refleq » on » .. ( Hear , ) He WKre ^ wd nl ^ o that Mr . O'Connor , in his aOdri- ' su , had made use of any langu . ge which might be construea it * ti > i r « t ! i / irim ^ ndfttion of opposing thecunstitationallaw . Sir . O'CONNOR . —>' No . " - ' ¦ ' ¦ ¦ . ' ¦ - ¦ Ho Mr . Whittle aidsBy that Mf . O ! Connor 3 aid that when in Birmingham th-y would there bo the fountain of

      uowerhear)—and th »^ there » hey WBulilbave the pHople at their back . ( Hear , hear . ) He did not think it vrocltl be prudent to assume » power that mijjht not be within tViHscnpeof their ability to exercise . ( Hear , hear . ) Another part of Mr . O'Connor ' s address he had ullnded to , thu recurrence , on the part of tho Government , of tho necrsii y of having the people at their tack if _ tht re was an inclination to put them down by force . ¦ . Mr . LOVETT rose to order . He would put to Mr . Whittle the impropriety of adopting such course when it was known thatthuae diaenfriona , would go forth to the publili . ( Hear . ) . ! Mr . WHITTXE would not say anything further on the question . .. . i •¦ . Mr . LOVETT woujd , when the propositinn came , bring forward an -amendment which would deline thft time that the ConTentiorj should re-aesemble in Londoa , if Air . O'Conuor ' s resolution vrwcaTrifd . ¦ ' ¦ Mr . Ddncan Hxpl » ii » ed .

      Mr . SKEVJNGTON supported the resolution of Mr . O'Connor . Mr . O'BRIEK Hi not , in seconding Mr . O'Connor ' s proposition , mean to support it in that part whioh said they were to leave Londtm on a certain day . ( Hear , hear . j , AH « r the Parliament had rt-jecte > l tho petition , tbtt presentation ef which at pre .-ent was the only duty " or the "' Convention , lie thought they « nght to proceed to the country . He altsothnhght they ought thftn to proc . 'ed Where thnrfl would be no chance or the Government forcing a military despotism oh the peofilft . ( Hear , hear . ) They should then b « among a . population who would be in such a state of excitement that tho Government would be afraid to suspend the Constitutional Kuarattt'e which went to protect the Biitjoct . ( Hear , hear . ) He wanted to twin a plaeo where there would b » a million of people ready to say that Parliament hail no right to do thi . T , and we will not ullow it . { Hear , hear , and cheer * . ) He was of opinion thai they should not at present leave Lo » doni but thatassnon an the lain of the petiti'in was di-cided , hr thought they ought to proceed to either Birmingham or Manchetter . in order to prwject ulterior measures . With this view he would propose an -amendment .

      Dr . hLKTCilEil withdrew hU amendment . Mr . COLLINS wouia not support th « rem » UiHon for Mr . O'Connor ' s renRon * , one of which was that this should bi ! the lMixt » inol ' ull | . uw « r . ( Heai , ln- » r , friim the Mora ) Vurt » . ) He ilid not think it prudent t . > a *« um « suck an authority , : md he would never consider himself one of » body . who would consider thcumelveg entitled losnch power . ( Heir . ) Nrfithi r would heagreo with anotlier rt < a « an set Tortti by Mr . O'Connor ; that in Uirminphnm they would have -so much protection from the people of iiirminghMU , as would-leuve it out of the power of their enemies to molest- then- j he pnly sonpht tilt ? *; iuit » prntertio . i on Mr . : -R '( . ger » did , niimt-l y . ' fh .-protection of the ! uw—but if ever thw . eceadioa '• aro ^ e , i fee wouldnot Uinch from rolling forco by tbico . ( Hear » nd Uud chetr ^ . ) He would vote lor the resolution ,. bi / ca , Ube he thought birmingham was them 'StVfleb ' tivejjtace . ;' -fur notwithstanding the mauy a » persiijBs : that had b » i » h pS » seil on the poopln of thatplacfby Mr * Dnncun and attcH .-Ho-other porlion of the people of KnglaniS were morn a'Hve to thuirdutv . it tneir

      was . modesty al 60 t-that prdven < i-d the people of ' that place fixing on it for holding the . sittings of the ConvWitMh . C [ l ear - - ) , 'n Biriuinftharnj ^ the ^ l » rgo ^ mapuraciusers -C £ ) Un ., i » htil upiheir men aa'they aid in ! 'M ^ nchestur : and this wub a good reailon tfty MitWliM ^ r -fc ^ r ilA n ' ot 'bi- chb ^ ih' Tpr'it wn » w rll known tUnt ; ihwre ib . v wadclog iieopb- ^ wer * : at thft mercy ot the majt ^^ cljvjre ^ Bi . ( . tje ' jw , ) , , -, \ lr ; . , . i , , ... Mr . BCSSer ' saW it . wiis . nitixAy a ' question ' of-timel' He wtiBWtnippAHWriO'iWicn ' HAmt ^ icrnfBt . : - ; . Mr KlPER— XBeiquwtujD Uotol / . poe of a ^ joarnnK-nv not of ulu > ri .. r measure .. ,- They were . not doing good in L » , „ ' }„„ th » y f , \ r ^' rft ti / tre w » i * re the men hi-rfi ready Und had tools in their iianAii . / ChEttrB . ) Krom- what he gathered in thn debate which bad goive ^ on , ) w was of opinion that Birminuhant was in the best ptate for their purpoHen . What did the Parliament care fora hanillu ! « , f men sitting in Bolt Court . it wan only taken among the millions that they could be ; effective . H-i would support Mr . * O'Connor ' s resolution . ( Huar hear , hear . ) ' Mr . Nkesom was for ailonrnment .

      Mr Mills—If we go to Birmingham , nccording to the mover of the resolution , we were to be the fountain of law . ( Hear . ) He was or . n of those ' who thought that his instructio n * <' , i . l not go solar as to endow him with the power of making law . ( Hear and cheers . ) Another argument was that there we would be in a > place of safety . Something ol feyrfie ; m ? J to be what was feh by many of the IMegates and from what he saw nbuut ' Uliu , he thought a caricaturist would have a MCti - fieW for hi > po ^' era or pencfr ' -in'the ' Ciihvention . ( H « n laughter , arid cuecr . ^ o iHb waa ' nut' im- ' ba ^ . » it h . thMfe « i »^ of . & , he > m , i *> fc ., wf where-ihtv attack oarao , from , whelh sj xn Lon . lvo pr , th « 9 nuiitry ; ihn was raavjy wniuut it ; 4 iriUVia « lh » nfiufti ; ' b « t ; Ke couff not se « the propriety of-emerUibin / th « ' resWutioi MX pftaont ' , ' ( H « ar , he | rr . ) : i . . . \ Li ¦ ,,. ;¦ :,,: ; ,, if . . > . i ¦ , n . \ L . ¦• n . -J Mr . C ^ RrfNTEK . combatted .. th ^ e . idea « f adJi ) utwmn » jM tenaing to jj K'e prevalence ^ an o . pVnion that t % w ^ raadV > to > on » way ; ' Mr . CUfSentor canttji ^ W ^ Va ' Tgu ^ 'iii'ftSip - oThtV and madtioms remurkB-wi the ini " pradeno «; tt h'diddrnihtftb »« raiiirt 8 roorMat « b *^ r ^ ntKft ^ 3 il 4 '« f . « a « M-iw « - it *» M-

      Known that the region , couid . not be pr / enented on Monda ?; the 6 th . - { Loud tfiesolWtcan "— ' < Jt in ' uai " - —'' ' it Rnall ''" Hear , hair . ' '} . Aflor . maeh inlerru ' pijok , Mr . » Carb '« Bri « r s : at « d Vhat from tin ; ^ iiPBibors who a , Tfi to present it , iiot b * virtggjven ' Kcrtice ( if itspreMentiVtion , it coulct-not be prcsemed a » U 6 on *» it w »» imagined . - ( "OfdW f "i ¦ TrW' m- BeViai ^' ' ard cUeeriiig . ) He presumed thatmiohn « uieow < mUtbe '« iW 4 r . by the Members on Monday , the tiih , aud that if . « ou ] d nDtbo prpgBnted-unlll I huruday , " tho 9 th . , He always ' thougWl it ' rl > HirM > W Miat a oiseussion tm thfe pfe * entation or fta'K-iition » l » ool ( J tyke pl » ce » This discusKiftn R'ould bring » h » ra Wih& day on which it wu »» onght { o » iyo » rnitheCpnv « n | joai < Wa «»> that consistent ? . W « ulJ thp Convention b . « doing its dij ty U ) itsrif , or to the country , if they were to run avvay while tUis iiueusaiiin-wM going o ^ 7 Hfl would ^ ask them ( the eouiVrry delntat . >») to n-main , in Lwr . don until . ihry should sou Ih ^ ri » Mih of the motion to be . made on , the Charter , and ' that , tlfcn their duty would he to gh among their constituents , and take tVi ? opinion as to what wonld , bu ; their cinduot iiw futtoie . He woul . l oppose bosh theresolutioi ^ and prupo&ed . tiuieadji ^ j > ni ,

      Mr . O'CGXXOn rep' ^ d . He atnied ihe construction mit on hw words b y Mr . Whittle . He did stiy that itrBirrhlng : ham they would be » monjttht people , ud wig il wot ^ rbm the pwopie all law . spuing 7 Wh (» cauld . deny it ? < Hwr . ji lid continusd at much length to argue agauistlie nroDositioa of }! r . O'Bri . n , and procee . !< . d to suy that Mr ! CarpenVer ™ only throwing- a wetblar . kuton th 4 qu'Mtfon by wfcihing thim to climb np hi * Jafob ' s ladder of motion one day , and vtnsentation next day ,. » ndso dn . ( Henriand cheers ) A » da » io the presei . tatimi of the Petition , it must be presented . I Hear . J No matter who refuses to present it , if it would go to that , borne of the Delegates would present it . [ Cheera . l 1 'hw day ' s debate showed thpy did not do anyibii . g in I . ondoV ir they passed Mr . O'tinen's motion it would be assumma to lh « elv 8 of election

      em-, a new power re- which oi . ly wa- ia the hands ol their coustitnentH . With regard to Birmihttbam Mr . Collins could state to them that the people of Birmins ' ham wonld not sufierM ; . Attwooil ti > ref . iw prutent ' mg the petition without Visiting on hiintbe . pehaltv which he would 7 ? r n * J " nch conJtt

      Mr . SANKEY , mexplanatien , said , . fhathe owed-it to his own conscience and to Ms constituents , in consenuence of the expression of Mr . O'Connor , " that the Convention , as representing the people at large , were the fountain o ( law , "—that he should more the previous question . ' The ClMIRMAN a put the pieyious question , which waii carried by a majority of one ; sixteen voting for ' tlw woUqh , of Mr . O'Connor , land seyeiiteeil for Wr . Saukey ' s amendm « nt . ¦ .- ¦ . - ' - . . ' : ¦ ' ; . ' : !! .. ; ,.: _ ¦ . . ' .-.-i ., ' Mr . L ' USSEV asked , was tbe Sc < retary ?« iy » t < f regUteted for the prfvion * question ? to which ,. Mr . LoVETTreplifd thatitwas ; ' ' ' ' ' Mr . Q'bHIEN said , in con « equ « nce of tte-ibannef thatthe . MHendinent bad been disposed of , by the xhtb that waa nivnV to the burject by Carrying tho . previous cju ^ jtioo , he . would give in a notice bf motion . ' for to ,- morrow , " i > nibTac > ua tfo the amendment Which had ! been lost by ' a itlde ' wind . '

      , POSTPONEMENT OF THE NATIQN . AL VfeTlTIO . N . Sir . PITKETHLY , while giving Jn trie signature * of 1 , 120 people of tbt Tower Hatnlet * in favoorpf the NationalPetition , would take the liberty to ask of the committee what was the tat * of-the Petition < Now that tho time waa at hand for presenting the petition , it Was necrisary thftt they should have every arrangement made in the ino » t efleotual njauner in order to profluceik feelin g in . its' Favour . ( Hear . ) , Mr . WHITTLE said , as one of the Committee aliiiaei , to there was no ground for Mr . Carpenter Wyinjf , that' ihe Pelitionwould not bo presented on the sitth ot Ma «^ . JHtar . hear . ] .-. ,,. - .,. „ . ; Dr . FLETCHER said thati they had no rojwoVi Vo dpqititlb * feeling of Mr . Kielden ; that genrleman , in a Uiffi intlirvTew with him , wa * as Teao \ wad w « v * r to ^ wpport' the Petition . He and the otheT gentlemeu of tho CorrujMtte « : waiW }; iy « ii , ppintrnent 6 n Messrs . Kielden and Attwood at ^ htsilxcb / oiier ChrTeS-honse ; they dtelay ' e * them two hvjbrt , ' and at theeul << f that time neither of those genUemea ^ ' { . etrW ^ KTrArvrtk afterward *; actonnted .. Jpr by wjing tholiwmftidiflerdneaJtff opinion exuted b » tween ., the two Memhers . and Hut th »«

      were striving to settlo between themselves tfiia'afflsrewe i befowthey » _ h 6 old nold tb « ihtmieV > Un ' % ^ CokffifttVeTf the Convention . . ¦ ., r - -r - > ' - , .-. > ¦ Are » lcUou * Weri waB ^ Howed to ie" iroHgiitin ' on nmpenniou irfv ^ hoiatuBaing Order to giv * thi * Petftip ^ ifj'ffi . i KUlde ^ iut preH-ntoliDn , * ra » . Brttl ^ i whfidr ****; « m 7 be g ni 1 e « t > ntHBg , U » at the , CanwniUeu . <* ouldi wpottiiHlitero * .: [ ReUT , Bftir . TT . " : , " - : ¦> Mr . HftfH «» JINiST 0 N harirJed in " ten s ^ illliiigS Woni'SuV Smitl . fi . ; ld Working . M « nV Association , and"W * ° * - « fe' 1 &fj confidence in the Convention . ¦ " ' ini ^ tilylS ^ qaewfion byMr , DCN'CAN , ' . ''' ,-, ¦ " , ' Mr-ROGERS «» M tbot he hid heen shown IKe »» ti ' o *^ - mea ; in ihe T / ueacottman newspaper that ^ 18 it . had been contributed and paid into the i flice of . that p » pt ) r , bnt that he , ' Mr . Rogers , h » d not yet received it . ¦ Af' « rAading ^ the rmtUes of motions « nd a letter from Bailie Craig , which stated his intention of continuing the contwt in Ajrahire , notwithgtandii g the msiny obnUcleg that wan thrown iu his way by both Whigs and Tories , the meeting dissolved .

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      Wednesday < May \< Tlw Convention met to-day / Mr . Deegan in the caWtr . ¦ ; The mina . tes of the last meeting having beeu Dr . Fletcher intror 3 ftced Mr . ttonalAaon ' ta Delegate lrom Birmingham and neighbouring district * . ..,. - , A disenwion ensued as to Mr . Donaldson ' s right to sit for Birmingham ; he hating been elected for btourbndpe » nd surrounding districts as well , and some working men of Birmingham having protested against the election . Mr . Donaldsos claimed to sit for Stourbridge and surrounding ykces—leaving the question ol Birmingham open , ( Hearhear . )

      . A letter was read from Mr . Craig , wko- had been elected Member for Ayr by the show of hands , though he did not exp ct to be returned . Mr . Collins said tbat the Petition Committee were not ready at prevent to report , owing to 80 many petitions coming in without stating where they came from , which gave the committee great trouble , and of course caused delay . But the work was going on very well , and he trusted that the report would be made to-morrow . Meantime he might state that he had that morning received 50 . 000 signatures . ( Hear , hear . )

      Mr . O'Connor said a question had been pnt to him as a barrister , with regard to the right of interfering in tbe training and drilling into corps , which w * s going on in Lancashire . Now , he wished that hw answer should receive aa much publicity a « possible ; and it was , that , by an Act of George III ., it was a transportable offence to drill or train companies of men into marching order . Dr . Fletcher said the committee on petitions were not . able at present to report . Mr . O'CoNxon said he tainted it would be the hrm determination of the Conveution , us he believed it was the general expectation , that the National Petition skould be presented on Monday , even if the Con < ve » tion were compelled themcelves to carry it down to the House ol Commons , and bex a Member to present it .

      A verylongdocuBttfentwas read bythe Secretary on thp condition of the silk weaving trade , shewing the miserable state of tho workmen engaged on it , who had to work from jourteen to sixteen hours per day for seven or nine shillings per week . Mr . Richards © : * reported to the Convention the results of hia minimi throughout the northern districts , and the gratifying reception he had met with at the different towns and villages he had visited . Mr . PItketbly then moved a vote of thanks to Mr . Richardson , which was carried unanimously . Mr . Grt . r , also reported the result of his mission . At Gainsborough , he had succ&eded in forming a committee for the purpose of obtaining signatures and collecting the national rent . He had met with rery little success at Sheffield , in consequence of the opposition of the Chartists to the anti-Corn Law par ty .

      Oa the motion of Mr . F . ' O'Connor , a vote of thanks to Mr , Gill vrasiinanimously agreed to . lAN&TAtfli O > Tifttr CrtlilTrSTS . Mt . Saj * Ktf , ft * moving " ' <* fThat thfc'preseiit moteraeiu . h « ingeHsentinllj :., finglwJi ^ ftndono «; h * viiig iu vihw any tueor . 'iical innovations , but jt recurrence to the first |» rinciple » df the ' brfg ^ riil' Sgxori ' Constitution ,, thiit Onvt-nutii do deprecate abyianguage-or expreasiou which would appear tp « s ^ imi ^ it ^ -ourob ; jects to those of the French : Revolution , or to take it aso * irm » del / ' ' ' .. - ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ... ¦ : > .-i . - . ^ \ : > u <;< - ^ . i-,:.. . Mr , Co ^ UNfr fte e ond ed the mbtioD ^ .,,. ; -r ,-. Dr . FLirrenEp , hoped that , Mr > Sapkey would ¦ wn h'dra ' wlii ' s motion . His'domgso might , ' perhaps , prevent some persotonl obeen ^ ii « c * # j > ecraflVafci the question xo » Vl have no practical eff ^ ojtjQn ^ bu ^ i : ne . « s of the Convention . ' Mr . SAxKEYthen withdfew his mdtionl ¦'" ¦ ¦ airriKGs o * ihe coiiVEN-rioN : ' ' '

      Mr . O'Co . vnor then rose to move ** tt ^ at 6 tf MJpn-U ^ y , the l ^ ihof May , the ConvantloniwaftouidBtrm * . meuce hglding iu sittings at ^ Birmingham , ' , ' Altpr the vote that was taken yesterday , it roighf be necessary for him to say v that iu , makiug thktairtfttiilie fllcfiibt intend ^ he . 4 khtr » t < ji » res . pecttt > tb , ^ Cflnventi c ( 6 w ^ rbB 1 nmeiidment , Re believed , wasyesterday prpposed by Mr . Sankey Tinder * a niJim ' p pVefieibfptf , arid ne h ' opeiii bette * resalt would . aAttndih ^^ rfesexttmotion . Mr * Sankej l ^ a , d # t <» ted that ., hi » teaspn / or opposuig the motion yesterday w « s , ' that " he ( Mr . O ' Connor ) had said that when tBey arrived at Birmingham they might call themselves ^ the fountain of all . Jaw . " Mr . Sankey had now had an opportunity of considering the explanation that he ( Mr . O'Connor ) gave yesterday , ana to show the importance he attached to it he would stute that if any act of his tended

      to create a suspicion in Mr . Sankey ' s mind he would give his pledge that he would betake himself off to the constituents of Mr . Calley at Kirkaldy , and temper his x ^ al with their judgment . ( A laugh . ) Mr . O Bnen had al « o stated that he was misrepresented yesterday , and he would now have an opportunity of setting himself right . There was no member of the Convention whose views he would be more unwilling to misrepresent than Mr . O'Brien ' f ? , who was a man that stood high , not only with the Convention , but with the country . The expense that might be incurred was another difficulty thrown Ui the WHy of the motion , but he contended that so far from adding . J . oit would diminish the expensed the •^ -j ^ i * ?!? / -P . / f ^ fa to the simultaneous meetings" that had t > e ^ n 'determined upon ; another rausoR * b , y ; . hi * . inotiQn'Had been , lost yesterday was | 4 >

      fei ^^ ffiM'S : ; M' n , Peltate ? , fle ( Mr . ? Ji . i ?* SXua ti 9 ' - ll ^ l aga ^ ' ^ oir comfdfr ' aAt fcWre'rience ;" arid it ' gave him great '? atisf « Wbo » tpifemithatria greater nnnaber of the London ! M'S | S ?^^ ^ ° ^ «^» •' MK > > Hi » j ^» rt ;*^ V ~ What has that to do 4 jhbH . ftf . rn . ioL ' . -,, -ju-. , f- , , ^^^ L ° ii ^ . j 9 ~ ^ , fl re i theril ) 8 ton WOUW have the ^' o f jipor thmty pfesently ofshowihe that it had not etodp arithdt . i . But the London men having only t ^! 53 W ? r e ; rf o ^;! lfep » F . ! y » J «> me 8 to the Convention every morning since the Convention sat , he thought theV might ' ^ pece the m to' surrender a portion of thftir . flpn ^ pkngfi tp . ^ h ^ t distriot which , on Mr . Carpenter s own showinir : »> nn ! r ^ rti » ir vvO 0 »^^

      'n&Kdiimiilyeie&mh ** opposed tneMotion : in ordento oarry ; ouj . their own . Views . The funds they ^ H PMS i . w ^ e , ? for t ^ n . t Convention , and that Convention ought to make the naostof the funds . The argumtnt *' urged yesterday , were no arguments at all ag * ia » t the Conyention going to Birmingham . He had selected Birmingham in consequence of the feudstoa to exist in Birmingham , and if they went to Birmingham , they would rally round them all those disunited parties into one strong link of strength . He intended no disrespect to any party , arid the only request he had to make was , that Mr . O Brien wonld ullow the question to be digcussed on its own merits .

      Mr . O"Bkien . —Doea Mr . O'Connor intend , in the event of his motion being carrird , that this Convention should come back to London , so as to be present at the time the motion is made in the House of Commons for leave to briDg in a Bill , embodying the principles contained in the Charter ? Mr . O'Connor anticipated that that motion would be made and disposed of before the 13 th . If it were not , their presence in Birmingknm would better support the further stages of their proceedings . Ho hoped never to see th * t Convention sitting in

      London a day alter it left for Birmingham . Mr . Lovett was fearful that if they removed to Birmingham or Manchester before the committee on ulterior measures had reported , it would look like cowardice , and that they were afraid of diseasing the ulterior measnres whicfrtnat committee might recommend , as he presumed that it would contain some recommendation on the question . ( Hear , hear . ) It would , therefore , be his duty , in accordance with what he thought , to move the following amendment : — .

      - " That we continue to hold our sittings in London until after the presentation of the Petition to P arliament , and till after the Convention shall have cotne to some vote respecting the introduction 61 the People's Charier to Parliament ; and that it be an instruction to the committee appointed to devise measures , to propose to the simultaneous public meetings to fix on the time and place for the re-asseinbling of the Convention alter the said meetings . " Mr . Bukns seconded this amendment in a few word * . ¦ . ' .. ; ¦ ¦ ¦•

      Aftera discussion of some hours Mr . O'Connor replied , upon which the amendment of Mr . Lovett wa * pur , and negatived by a majority of seven . Mr . O'Brien brought forward hia amendment , merely recapitulating the whole ! « t the arguments of both . " day's' discussion on the subject of the adjoBirninSrtt . The amendment wa * ,. ?• 'Th « tuntil aftfcrthii ' pebple's' demands of the National Petition and the People ' s Charter shall have been , submitted ^ AM /^^ r -opoP ' . by &e Legislature , it is the dj jty / . of , ; iwi , Convention to continue iU sittings in Lonilon ; but in the event . of the Legislatare . reject ju £ oujd ^ aands ,, thi » Conventionia of opinion that ) U « iuing »; efg ^ t forthwith te be remoied to Birmingham oi al » qfen » 8 t 8 r ; that we do hereby xmAre that we will make Birmiagham or Manchester the

      : « c « ae ; wunr « a we . irill enter upon the discussion oi ulterior measures . " .- ; ,: <;;; , ji ^ fhe ^ maadrtettt WM seconded by Mf . J . Javvoh Mr . Hetherinoton proposed that the last words jaferon # Titi . adteiw * measures be utrqck out . which was agreed to by Mr . ' O'Brien , upon which : the ime , wi »» pu . t « n ; ito amendment , and carried by » ^ mijority of <« hree . ? ¦ ~ -v ^ wy'tfttft for Mr . O'Brien ' s amendment , and g eUAnlf « eft * Jt tW ^ rfgiaal rewtotion . . 'Mr . ^ CoNjrtB' ^ i < iraer that tfee country might be aware of the tpttiftm which they held , and in order that there might be no tewtraderstandbe as to what thay intended to do in rdrure , would move as an amendment on Mr . O'Brien's nmendment that the Convention assemble ia Birminifharn on the 20 th May ; if this were not done , the country

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      would unagme ^ they , were jie | ermjined > to ^ o ^ tiiwe cheir sittings in London to an indefinite perfcd Mr . BuBSEf . ^ -Dpea ' -Mi ' . O'Connor recojfeot ffiat on Monday , the 20 th , will be held the si ; ultane ^ meeting *? ' ' ' ¦ ¦ . ^ " MnU'CoNwfiR forgot that , ; bb t in ofdef thaf iho question might be uettled , he would shapeit thittne > might angemble in Birmingham as soon as the simultaneous meetings had been held through Checountryand that Mr . Collins and Mr . Pitkethl y shonUl proceed to make such arrangements for tbeaateia * !» ling of the Convention there , and for the personal accommodation o : the Delegates as might seem to them advisable .

      The Chairman decided that Mr . O'Connor ' s amendment could not be pnt , upon which that gentleman gave if in as notice of a substantial motion for to-morrow , upon which the name 9 were called over , aud after the daily vote of thanks hal been . given to Mr . Devgan for his conduct in . the chair , the meeting dissolved .

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      Public Meeting .-In this small village we o ^ k B l «™ us meeting on Saturday evening , April ^/ th . At . the time appointed for the meeting taking place tie people came together in procession -about 4000 from N « w Mills ; 10 ( X ) front Gfos-H t ° P 5 lQQO . from . Hyde ; apd another prpce ^ sion £ r « an 5 > tock {) ort with bands of music , fla-j , and bannet * accoinpanying each procession ; "When they arri VeS at Marpte Bridge they aH proceeded to the place of ineetbg -tb * - ? . etruki ; not be le ^ g than 80 00 persons present . Mr John Bailey was called , to tfee chair , and the following resolutions were urianimonslr carried :- 1 st *> That tWs » meeting views * witb indigoation the- tyrannic and oppressive l&w * , which ihe present Goverijn > eut of this country wishes to

      impose upon the people of this country , and we pled ge ourselves to oppose the introduction of any such law from whatever body it may emanate . " - 2 nd . " That this meeting , having the most implicit confidence in the General Convention of the working elassea , pledgeg itseif to Support t " hat Convention to the utmost of our ability boch morally and physically , and that we adept the National Petition and tbe People ' s Charter . " The above meeting wa * addressed by Messrs . T . Ben ton and J . teuton , ofStalybridge ; J . Bradley , of Hyde ; T . Kaye , of Glossop - and several other gentlemen of that neihbourhood

      g , who spoke of the sufferings of the people , audpointed out some of the remedies to be applied . A , very good spirit seemed to prevail throughout the meeting . The people are determined to obtain their rights or die in the attempt . The Whigs and Tories here bare had a preponderating influence over the people ; and now that tkey have found that their influence is falling , they have had recourse to their old tricks , and bave hired some of their tools to pulLdown . the papers that gave notice of their meeting—and they would give a shilling for every paper thew pulled down as

      a reruunerationfor their labour . They thought to put down the meeting ,, or at-feast to .. intimidate-the speakers ; but , however , they were altogether disappointed ia their anticipation , ' for the speakera spoke out , so that no one could mistake what they were aiming at , and we call on all our fellow-men , but more parrifculurl y the" labouring part of the population of this country , to atiae and do their own work , for they are well able *

      . „ KENDAI . Working Men ' s Association . —At a general mating 6 f the Ketidal Working Men ' s Association , heJd at . the Ship Inn ,, on Saturday last , it was u ! $ P"npusl x resolved— " That the beat thanks of this Association are doe , and are hereby given , to Feargus O'Connor ,. Esq ., for his manly and energeti <*> «» nduet towards the industrious classes upon aM : evasion * , v Particularly for hia strenuous exerti ( } f !? T . 9 ? -. Deh . alf . pf , the persecuted Dorchester and Glasgow Unionists ; . for his manly stand against the tyranny of the administrators of that unconstitutional-and diabolical enactment , called the Poor Law Amendment Bill ; for hia generous conduct and

      animated zeal in support of that persecuted anti-Poor Law ' agitator , the Rev . J . H . Stephens . But more especially for the benefit he has conferred upon the public ia general , and the working classes in particular , by establishing a faithful chroniclethe Northern Star , which dares to meet corruption in the face , and lay open to public view the dark and unhallowed deeds of the tyrant and oppressor of the poor . Lastly ( not leaxt ) . far his unresnitting attention to the best interests of the unrepresented ( and consequently enslaved ) millions , in the General Convention . " Resolved unanimously— " That tbe foregoing resolution be communicated to the Northern Star and KendalMercury ?'

      ASHTON . Stbphens ' s Central Committee . —A meeting was ht-ld on Tuesday evening , April 30 th , at the Bush Inn , Ashton-under-Ljne , of the Central Committee appointed to direct the subscriptions and other affairs conuected with Mr . Stephens ^ defence The following resolution ? were passed unanimously : — 1 . ' That every city , town , village , or hamlet , or any other place , or pereon who may have collected any sum or auma o « money for defraying the exof the

      peuse Rev . J ; R . Stephen ' s trial , do immediately remit the same to Thomas Fielden , Esq ., of the firni of Fielden and Brother ? , Petl-atreet , Manchester ; or , to ' Mattbew Fletcher , E-q , of Uuionsquare , Bury r'Lancashire , ; or to either pf them , for the Defence Fund , of .. the Rev . 3 . R . Stephens — 2 . " That it is the intention of this Cf . mralttte' publish on the 25 th of this ! roonjh ( May ) a All account of all monies paltUatp ^ he ; hands of the General Trfasurers for , thft defence qf Mr . J . ' R . Stephens . No monies can be > ufeiisb ^ d on this date received after the 26 th " trf thlfrniftbth . ^ -All

      oeiamunications to be addresseditto ; TimotShv HiKains , Secretary . " ¦ ¦ -, ¦ T dekton . ;";; t " ¦ Three lectures have been delivered here on ' three successive Sunday nights , by the ' -foUowrag persons from Ashton : —1 st . Mr . Wm . Aitkin , ontfaeprtsent state and prospects of society , 2 nd . ' . Mr ... Joha VS tide , on the British Constitution and the Charter . 3 rd . Mr . Timothy Higgins , on Democracy . These lectures have been attended with the most signal success . A Radical Association has \ tt * n fQimed » and Den ton is now likely to be fpremosf in tbe race of preparation for the ensuing struggle . '

      DEWSBXJBV . The Stephens Pebsecutiox . —^ Tt wifr le seen from an advertisement elsewhere that Mt . H « l is to preach two sermons for StephenB , atDdw « bury , on Sunday . '_ . ** Radical Dinner . — - " Wie . understand that the radicals of Dewsbury have arranged for a Public Dinner at the Wellington Tavern , 6 n Jtfonday , " in honour of thp presentation of ; the National Petition . " We : perceive from the announcement that dinner is to be on the table at seven o ' clock , and tbat this is the last day of issuing tii * et * , whichr are to be had from the landlord or frow Mr . Sltmuel Healey . ' , ' . '" .... ' .. ,.,

      M 1 DDIESTOWN . The Chartistts and theih Victory . —On Monday evening lift , a very numerous meeting for the purpose of explaining the principles of the People's Charter aad for the furthering of the cause of freedom , was held at Middlestown ; a broad stone wall , about a yard and a half high , served for the hustmgs . Mr . Charles Haimsbaw , late of Middlestown , but now of Dewsbury , wa « called to the chair , whtn he opened the business of the meeting in a very able manner ; after which he introduce * Mr . William Wilby ; of Dewsbury , who proceeded 'o . txplain the objects of the Charter and the benefits that would , be derived from it , if it were to become

      the law of the land ; when he had spoke for about ten or fifteen minutes , a blackguard , well known in the neighbourhood , came and pushed him to the ground , and had . it not been for the persona who were standing underneath , he would have been , severely bnrti Ttee - cowardly ruffians , who had been employed , we understand , by Lord WharnelinVs tenants , thtn began to shout and bellow worse than ; the bowling of wild beaste , while they were so engaged-Mr . SaTftuel Hteley , of Dewsbury , came forward , whoseStentorian : lungs drowned the howlm , ¦«* . the ^ bmtes :. into , nothingness .. « They .: were afterward * , addmsed by Mr . ^« vers . of Hudder *

      TH ?™ m . $ . * -m ^ fbi Vwii } after whieh the mm % ' : . f ^ &ffifo . -: mm pemaVleW tjrdejlyjnjanner , -taejdMttsberi : oi the peace being f . PP ^^ ^? ^^ ' 't ^ MAA jpO i v- - .. ^¦^ Vii- ' rJr . 'Vil *^ MS ^ , w ; . ;' 6 ^; . ' ; ,. » u ^ L T ^ cfP ^^ f . ^ Oa ^ ttfesday latt . one of engaged the line o ) V road on the Norlatfrlside of the Railway now forrhin ^ betwixt Etiedsiuid iffanchMJW u ^ - ° * * * r *** ot * ewaggons - ^ ini had hislegrbrok ^^ . : ^; , ^ . ^^ , .. , Ti £ v ¦ . .., ,... ' .. ™?» V £ ^ A -WPRNT . —^ bc y , « mnloy « d in Hartlej ' B Mm , Nd ^; nwW Vh ; WH * legSS / lJ Tuesoay lasty by a cask of < oilrolHng over it inthe mill . ' ¦ . ¦¦ ¦ . . i

      A Man Killed on the Railwav . —One of the men employed on tW Mariehe « t « r and Leed » railway , near gow ^ by BrHgej Wu rgn »« ver by oise * } 21 ^^^ % ty&MJity&frito& 9 ** M 9 * ACClDtNT AT , RADCLiFFB'S MitU— At thi » mi I : on Tuesday TtotV etie bf > &e teen engaged in . nloaoing a cart &t . what . to called West Ewf MilJ-> o verhv . n- ^ r HaUfax , had the miafortuneto break one of bis legs .

      Geiresazj Convention.

      GEirESAZj CONVENTION .

      Maavi^J Bb1doe.

      MAaVI ^ J BB 1 DOE .

  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), May 4, 1839, page 5, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct1055/page/5/