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      Monday, April 19. Hotjse Op Lords.—Some ...

      BBrs ofers of Preston offered the same prices as at Bolton _, _fshowshomdthat the men were rather r ' ght in the de > ¦ H _thejitheiy bad made . ( Hear , heir . ) But tbe masters _ghtpigbt proper to connect a condition with those prises , thst thst if the men returned to their work , none of 11 shoa should belong to a trades union or confederacy of ttin ; lint ; men . The men , in _ _\ - __ _** t la * thought _hoooeK--to tt to themselves , wool-1 not succumb to tbe masters on poin point . Thrre waa no law against combina tions , _ter of er of masters or men . The masters often combined eedaceduce wages , and tbe men saw no _reason why they mid mid not con-Vine to raise them wben they saw cause , B yeU yet this was quoted as an instance of the _•*« _" _«»** lbs whs _wnrkin . classes ! But he begged * ote _. 1 « ie rm , _nnn _infi _t , that in quoting thi . instance thy wer- tai _. ng * aula _sub-ect of _« bich they were _gnnrant The w kn not now c ignorant as to _»»« r" «»

      .. Ms . » es were _^ ttlv « _lv well that in tho _. e strikes they were not _ U _** to condaS _Jatst th _, long purses of the masters , and the , I _coicws equently formed themselves into a national and u «_ Wal combination of united trades , and were creating _Vn-Vn- l bv which they would be enabled to produce the ibem-. elves . the raw materials of trade , and r , y _ miivin _- vin" _themselves in reproductive labour in _> _ir eir own workshops , it would be a matter of no coniiuenmence to them whether the masters took them back Bin _lin or not . In the case of local injustice being in . ¦ t _ted ted on nny ofthe trades , this asseci-uion would bring ii wh' _whcle weight of it 3 influence to bear upon _> t , and so ferprerpof e sn ctSci' * r . t _barrier against the commission of use _ase acts of oppression wbich were endured by working m w ' n when powerless to _resist . This * os a new scheme , licit _lclt did honour to the working men , and showed they

      idmdmore _enlightened views tban they got credit for . lie lind ind that it had worked admirably so far as it had gone _, tbeniien at _Xottingham , last week , he had been informed tin the frame-work knitters thtt they had successfully si-i . tst . ted no less tban 18 reductions of wages . They were w ew experiencing practically the advantages of the new _istestero . He _therefora repeated , when the government lle »» ie » ed ignorance against the working classes , thty did at lot know what was going ou in the country among that lassass . The effect ofthe measure would be ts increase ne iie influence of the crown and ths patronage of

      _governuenient . If the house would but con _sider the measure ' memch had recently passed they must say that this _itifluincace and patronage was likely to be _greit ' y extended , " _helhey had lately given a seat to a member of the house scisciimmissioner of railways . Tbat gentleman was , he upupposed , to go out and come itt with the government of Ihehe day , thus creatine a new seat connected with go- ernmenent . Let them look als _» to thc patronage of the local ! - . _ o _ rts , and the ~_ - * .. _ r of ju _. _gesalrea _. y , or speedily to ¦ te a . appointed , and they would see that patronage of immenense extent was al _ea-iyin thtir hands . There waa ulstlso to be a new board of health in towns , and inspectors no b be appointed under government . More patronage ugagain . Tbey were about to make four new bishops i . c-cre _oatronago _aealn . And as each of the vacancies in

      Ihehe house was to be filled up by one ofthem , contrary otothe principle laid down bygovernmenrin the Bishops ' \ ctc _^ , thsy were also depend-nt oa the government ofthe ils " ay . Tbere , too , were the gratuities ofthe Privy _Coun-• il if among the schoolmasters and teachers . At the end if If fifteen years each ofthem are ta receive a pension _, _rifhere was many a _desr rving curate at the end of twenty ¦ _erearj _sirvice who received no such pension ; but mine of these schoolmasters , who began at twenty _rerears'of ag <\ couM b ? placed on a pension at the end of . fifteen year _., -while he was yet young . This i « fl an >_> n . _rmous amount of patronage . It would , as he _believed , create great corruption and he wanted to know irk hat reason there was why the house , which certainly _R-wa . competent to tbe t * sk . should not appoint a com .

      BBiittee to inquire into the ultimate good of the scheme . AAs he _h- » d already said , no one could tell him within hhalfa millioa what the cost of the measure would be inn a few years tu come . The ' noble lord stated there were . many objections to the plan , some of which had great f force . Why , then , were they net to be examined by a ( committee , and if _unreasonable , declared to be so t If t they di _ not give a fair hearing to the opponents of the ] measure , a very bad impression would be created abroad ias to their conduct . Why , he asked again , should they f flinch from the appointment ofa fair and impartial _comi mittee ° All he knew was that if they shrunk from ap-] plying a probe which would search this measure i _thoroughly , he , and others along with him , would come _< t <_ t __ co-elusion that there -was something i & ttwbkh i could not bear the light of day , and tbat their real oiject was to increase and augment their own power , under the influence ofthe Crown , rather than to instruct

      tbe people , and the result would be that , instead of being well educated , the people would become an enslaved and corrupted people . ( Hear , hear . ) With these remarks he begg ? d to move the motion of which he had _givvn E nt ice : — "That , previous to any grant of any public rnr . ney being assented to by thia House for tbe purpose of _carrying out the scheme of national education , as develop d in the minutes of tbe Committee of Council on Education itt August and December last ( which minutes have beea presented to both Honse . of Parliament by command of her Majesty ) , a select committee be ap . pointed , to inquire into the justice and expediency of such scheme , and ita probable annual cost . Also , to inquire whether the regulations attached thereto do not un _. uly ir . crease ths influence of the Crown , invade the _conseitntional funciions of Parliament , and interfere with tbe religious convictions , and ths civil tights of her Mai sty ' s _subjects . " Viscount Do-can seconded the motion .

      Sir It . Incus supported tbe government plan as tbe best which he could txpect from the house as now can , ititute _ . Mr JUca . ui . _ y observed that , as the first act which he had performed as a member of the Privy Council was to give his assent to this minute , he felt himself particularly called upon to come forward on this occasion to defend it . He did not intend to follow Mr Buncombe closely through his speech ; for , notwithstanding all the local anecdotes , all tha personal snec _. etes , and aU the -oU- tstal questions into which he had entered , he could not discover what Mr Duncombe ' s opinion was on tbe main _question of tbat evening—namely , whether the education of the people was something to which tbe state ought to attend * He ( Mr Macsulay ) was prepared to

      _argus th . t it was the r . gbt and the duty of the state to provide for tha education of tbe common people . The first object of every government was to take effectual means for securing the property of persons of its subjects ; and tbe most effectual means for accomplishing that object was eJueation . As an illustration of tbe danger which existed to persons and property from the ignorance of the common people , the right hon . gentlexnaa alluded tothe riots of 1780 , which were perpetrated by " heathens in the midst of Christianity , and by savages in l _» midst of riviVuation . " 100 , 00 ft ignorant men rose up in London atthe mere call of a madman . For a week , London was in the power of a mob , and th *" rty—ix fires in one day were blazing in different parts of it . To the same cause might be attributed the Nottingham riots , the

      Bristol riots , the Swing fires , the incendiarism and destruction of machinery which occurred some yearn _aso in different parts of the country . Such outrages could not hava taken place had the labouring population been taught to revere their Maker , to fear their king , to love their neighbour , and to seek redress of wrongs by peaceful and constitutional means . He showed that the duty Of C" . rating thepeople had been advocated by the political legislators and philosophers of all ages—by all the champions of civil and religious liberty in all countries , and mors especially by . the nonconformis ' . of England , who resisted the ecclesiastical tyranny of Loud in the seventeenth century . "Educate the people" was the constant _language of Washington and Jefferson to their countrymen in America ; and those who maintained the

      contrary must consider government as a great hangman , and must be prepared to make those whom education _mi'ht elevate into theornaments , the victims of society . Those , therefore , who raised a clamour in 1816 against state education in this country , condemned tbe memories Which they were wont to reverence , and condemned _themselves also , tlieir conduct now not being in strict conformity with whatit was _previous to that period . What Was contended for now , by the opponents ofthe government scheme of education was , that _tbejinatter should be left to free competition . That principle might be practicable and excellent ia regard to trade , bnt it was utterly Impracticable so far at education was concerned . As to the comparative merits of tbe two sy-Ums—tbat of free _Competitisn , and that of state interference—they had

      Only to look , in deciding bet ween them , to what free competition bad done for England . The former principle bad beeu tried for centuries io this , one of the richest ountries under heaven , and failed . But they were still told to wait nith patience , and that the voluntary _principle , or that of free competition , would do everything . They had been waiting with patience ever since tbe Heptarchy , and what had tbey gained by it ! The conntry ka _. applied the principle of free competition to a subject to which it was inapplicable . For nearly the last two centuries the rival principles had been well tested in England and Scotland . The latter country had become completely revolutionized in its social , moral , political , intellectual , and material condition since the _yearlGSG , when tbe Parliament of Scotland pasted an act for the

      establishment of a state education , and itt progress furnished an irrefragable argument in favour of tbe state _interfering for the purpose of promoting the education of the common people . To descend from higher considerations , the state had erery thing to gain , even in a financial point of view , from properly educating thepeople . Some parties affected to be alarmed at tbe administration of the proposed expenditure for education ; but he ceuld __ _ssure thera that the proposed expenditure was placed under every check . N _*; r did the proposed scheme confer any nndue power npon the government . Government could not appoint the schoolmasters—the _government ould not dismiss them ; whilst they could be dismissed

      independen tly of the government . As to the objection founded npon the allegation of religious persecution , it Was met by the counter-statement , which could easily be sustained , that the proposed scheme was one of perfect fairness . No advantage was intended to be given to 6 c _ ool 8 connected with tbe church , which . was not to be equally conferred upon the schools of Dissenters . This being so , he confidently appealed to the country , to which thrc _T-ould all , era long , have to render an account of t ___ . stewardship , to support the government , and to posterity , which would reflect with astonishment that the opposition to such a scheme of education was offered la the name of civil and religious liberty .

      Mr -toes . « agreed with all the premises of tbe right honourable gentleman , but disagreed with his conclusions . No one doubted bnt tbat it was the duty of tho State liberally to provide f « tbe _idut-atiim of the people . But

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      it was the duty of tbe _Oorernment , in undertaking the great tssk of public education , not to throw any _unneces . _sary- bsta clMinthewayof carrying out itt first great and acknowledged duty . What he charged the Governmen t witb . in tbe present instance , was throwing , such obstacle' in the way ef their own _sthsnie . Wiih liberal _profess-ions in favour of education , the scheme they now proposed was of a narrow and sectari an character . It was _narmwhecaufe not disconnected with sect , and sectarian because it sided with the majority of those who carried the principles of sectarianism int » all warfare of this kind . Where wasthc necessity of connecting edura-U .-d with the _Cliorclt at till _r What was the Church for t For what waB it paid and supported by tbe Stnte _. but to providrforthe * reli _giouswuntsotthecountry ! Ifwehad

      a church to provide for our _rvligiour . wants , why should we not have schools to provide us with education , independently of tht- Church . We were now very near a generaleii-ctiou , and with that event before them Government had made an attempt to conciliate parties that were _irrtconcilcable _, and had thus exasperated those who before were not very friendly to each other . So long asG :. rtrn _* ment mixed upnati nal with religious education . Us endeavours would fail , aud would produce nothing but cavilling and collision out of the house . _Atthcsauio time he confessed bis conviction , that all the argument about the increase of patronage attendant on this scheme wa * . idle and fallacious , and unworthy ot a _ouumi . _» erious _coBfil-r . _' . tion . The ri . ht honourable gentleman spoke of Lord _Georce _Q' _-r-lon ' s mob _, » ml of the Bristol

      riots ; but what , he would ask , was the Gordon mob but an anti-Catholic mob , and what also was the right l _. on . _centleinan's plan hue an _. ii _. li Catholic plan . ( Uear , hear . ) II' thought the g' _. v . rnment had thrown away most un _f ortuuatcl _* - a great opportunity tov giving a deci-* . ive bloiv * to _Ligotrv and sectarian intolerance . The petitions which had been laid on the table that day _shoivtd that there were as many hating sects ns tin-re were _religi . ous denominations in thc country . Thc _rifiht honourable ! uiiUleman appealed to _pnsttrity , buthe would also do so , andhc had no doubt but that Ihe- lime would cuinc when _people ao _. W sny iY >_ _van _adii-nistrati . m with civil and religious liberty on their lips , had , when they came to power , halted in their career of improvement , _tieiabled wben th * y ought to bave been brave , and bad ut the moment . when their courage sbould havi been aroused , turned tail and fl . d from the encounter . M-n would read his _apptat , and they would frame au answer to it

      themselves . Tor hioself , though be mis no prophet , be would _venturt to toretel what asuredly would happen . Some one would step before this Rn . callcd liberal administration , and , _s-i ing tli _. > greallfie . lt they hud committee " , would "de . tin * deed" up „ n which ti . ey had halted . The day was not far distant , he * fi _. ncied , when this prophecy would bcrealizcd ; and i _> the pas wns a sort of index to the _fu-ure \ the same hand wl _. icli strut : ! , down the cornlaw would erect a real _y liberal _system of education . ( Cheers . ) He h _* id _guarde" ! _lmnse-. f , completely he thought , in the vote be was abimt t <> _cive-. Me . 'greed it was th . ' duty of government to _t-Hicatc tin- people ; but the right honourable g ntl . man bad not made out the plan to be based upon that principle ; fer it hid a nari'i . w , sectarian , unworthy mode * o _' ' altenipiing to gain a gr <_ t end , when , if the _R . iveinmei _' . t had had t e _courage to adopt the _riftht m > _. ns , thy might have assumed , not only thatit was their _« _'u-y to teacli the people , but have _rnft'lv fulfilled their _missum .

      Mr Ewakt moved the _ailj-inrnmcnt of the * debate ; and it was accordingly adjourn , d . The other ord- r . < of th ..- < la _> were ti on disposed of , and the , * _aou- * . _eafljoUTiit . _\ at a _qxnrirr-pt * , ! twelve . _TUESDAY . Ami . 81 ) . HOUSE OF LORDS . — _-Mutint '' ill ( TiuNsroKT- _* tiun ) . —< m the _tuyti-. n mr . h <* thit- - ivmiing of tbe Mutiny Bill , Earl GfcEV moved the third r _adins of the Mutiny Bill , and stated , in re-ply to » _q-. eMiun . 'Its- _Kirl of Ellen . borough , that it was nntiiieiideii to substitute * imprisonment instead uftransp » rtatii > ii ie > r off-i . e .- * . committed by soldiers in India .

      Lord _Okogohsk flew _e _. ff , at ihemeiiti . 'i . *> f transportation , into a vehement _proies-t ; . _iran _« t _< h neev _. le . ctrine proran _* lj ! at * : d by the Kii _\* . _' . nii _.. n _* : with _rcttard to that punishment . Is _wnsm .. i _piiou-, ti ... _mmi-troiis lo sup . pose that the _Corern-ti-iit p _« _. « SK- > e _<» •! <• p . wer of alteringjthe criminal law of th . count-y ,. iui _"liv . they should , when a jui ' g _* _snitence-. i a ¦ _ii' _. M _. uei- t ( _. _ot tr . _- _. nspor'ed for fourteen _ye-ars , c . aiin the ii _|* _. it t . _imprison hi ; n for tbe same period . The fact _a-an , thai ; i „ n _.-portaiiwi c * i _ _ld not b » _susp-nd _. d _-xr-pi iy _m-x * f _Parlinineat _, and tbeir lordshi p * would «• . * , wi _.-. u _-u- _,, reietite . l the report of the Committee ou C . _iiiim ,,- L _. ve , tl _. at the ' 24 _jndjtes of _Euijl _. nd _, Irei _. _n-i , : ni . _'i S _.-o'hiir * were unanimous on the subject . When t u . port nas presented be should con . > i ' _. er it his du _' y t _.-hiii _. _u in , w : ole _question promim-ntly before- tlio ii . u _** _-.

      Earl Grlv said that tl ., it . iiik- _i-. r , _w-. u terrified ut a chimera raised up by an _. ff'rt _-.. i ' _Iusin _. _L-im . tion ; for there was no foundation in 1 cr t ~? n _> _ir _ . _< word thathe bad uttered . Ho out * b . d me . cl » i . ' ; e , ' _... r the government the right io _alter'lierriiiiiii-ii ii . iv ; -li .-question _before the i _. ouse ** a « thf tran _* _- ** na- -n o ui _. H _. ry convicts , and tiie noble lord liadst _. ppe - . _- _- _. . _«» un v i _> . vr . ler to state his particular opinion on r . mu .... _'t . aim ¦ - .. _general . He could account for . he iiobl- »; _,-i I . . vitrei i _.... ' _* . _speech from no other reason but his ex _. r it _•• _,-. ' _... n « e _; i * _. iii and out < 'f season iiiih reason <)• mill ¦ _ < -. , » „ _, _nbe'lier worth their _lordship ' s dttentio _; . or ; . _« _t »¦ -i . it , _undtti - ali circumstances anion aU < -i _* - *« i <> ii _* - t-U ur is own . voice in that l '; -use . ( _-aiiy-lte ) Lor . B »© r _" . in *» _isain i . - _ilm * » _ir-r ll--: cast , he wasUD . fortun * t"lj aow speaking in a pi re . _»¦ _. « -h * it was not very eary t » _beareithe-r his _. » . ; « . r ai . » _% _.- _»•• Am ' s voice _. The ... rl of _Suivot- _rost * te . _orrf : r .

      Lord Beouoh _. M continued : It ih : id le earl had obs ° rvel more _clo-tlv thK proc _.- _^ iii . i < 5 e . t th ir lordships ' _houte he would know that there- T > as no _••¦ * . _¦ * which was so little attended to as the •> nlrr _** _. f ibatii . u _« c . ( Laughter ) _Hs _voula teach the _noi-. e e _^ _ri _istiv 'hurt ksson , which Wot 'A save him the trouble of _eaiun- _^ tinier in future . Ifi would beg to exp ' nin i <» tlie ii .. l _. l <* earl that there wai i } _lhing mor . * cle . _ir ;}) _... _iIiir , _.-. _nm-.-ly , that oo noble U . " should speak * th- n th- r- _wt . s no question before tho i o \ - , and yet he : would app al f their lordships— not to ti _, e noble earl hut to all Hi ir lordships who were in the habit of _attending _i- < _Uieir placeswhether there was _anjtl . iu _^ u . t _. _re i-m . _ii .. on than for noble lords to speak , not ouce , _I'ut _nail-a eiozt-n times , when no question whatever » an bei _.. r < - _ti _. eni ? He

      should , of course , except himsrli . ( L . ughtei ) He should beg also to inform th-- noble can « i _><> hud interrupted him , as well as the u _btre-arl _be-f .. t . hiin , thathe would en ali occasions discharge his duty aa lorg us lie had the faculty of _making _bim-ieli _b' . av . ; but when their lordships ceased to pay attention le . him then he would know that it was time for him to ce «* e speaking on any subject . He had been Billing in ih' . i house for fifteen or sixteen years or upwards , _nnei , «¦ never _ytt , until that moment , beard tucn—he would _t _. » t e ., 11 it a sneer , for tbat implied _tou . ell / i _. g . lever , something that sank , that embalmed itself u . ti . e- memory , by having an epigrammatic sting attached to ' i , as that of the noble earl , and he thou » l , t ' :, t re-ore , le : eve it with the most perfect and entire compiacei _.. _e » ith ., ut farther

      notice . The bill was then read a third ti ne uud } . _Mdtied . The ifarine Mutiny Bill , tb « Iii'ie . innitv Kill , and the _Eicbequer . biDs Bill , were al *> o stiei _.-iiiy lead a third time and passed , Wastb Lands , lie . ( Ikel . nd ) Ba .. —The . Marquis of Westue _. th _, in moving the _ . _cond _ti-u _. ' _. _iug el this till , said that its object was to prevent ih « wi .. ir cf lands by cottiers and small _tenants , and tu _pluc » omh- restraint upon the subdivision of holdiugs . it wat * ueith . 'i moienor lest tban a new bill copied « ord for wont from the Act 9 Geo . IV ., c . 56 , aud itt object was to emeu-:, to Ireland the some protection which existed in Eug ' _. md nut Scotland . In Scotland , if any injury tu land w . r _apprehended , a remedy was easily obtained by application t -V sheriff , who immediately restrained the party _fu _* j ) _uieel ut i . e about to effect the injury , hut n _<> such law or _p'i _. r : _ice _*

      existed in Ireland . The only remedy w _. t * _t-. _b- _ ..... tain , . through the Court of Chancery . Bu ii a " » ii , | ' 0 : _* s _< ssing anything like an extensive estate ui ti . _ut c _. untiy , were to hope to obtain a remedy iu tli * - _C-. un o- Clune . r . t , it would be soon found tbat the ex | _. » ns- s oi the ; pr .- _> . _> _iings , where the holdings were small ami i _unerDin . would eat up the whole value of the e _. _tax-. In ilr _» t Britain there was as easy a remedy . In . _> _. _-- _* lm . l there was the same ; but in Ireland a rem- tie nut unit did not exist , but had been hitherto rvtusvet , _\>< vnu . v such a measure would interfere with the privilc _/ . _s _t . f h-Gourt of Chancery , and with the feet of 'l . < i < -e » ho derived their living under it . Under such a _sy-term , property might be made du . _kt and or . _ikes of before ti . e landlord could interfere . The rule appceud to be'' Law enough if you please in Ireland , but no justice . " If such a measure were necessary in England it wouid be pasted through Parliament in five , minutes .

      The Loan _Cb _. ncellox opposed th-. bill , which I . e con * tended was b _. dly framed , and the provis . oiis of which would be totally inadequate to ensure- justio * to all the parties . It would exaggerate existing tils . _un _. Uunfer powers not possessed by either English or Irish landlords . That many evils in the re latum of hn , dl » ru and tenant in Ireland existed be admitted , anu if a hid that would remedy tbem should be proposed Uv would be ready to support it . Lords Campbell , Beaumont , and Monteagie , hiving briefly spokea on the subject , the Marqu . _swas peisuaded , th » ugh very reluctantly , to withdraw his bill , nud the house adjourned . HOUSE OF COMMONS . —Lord 3 . Rus-ell obtained leave to bring in a bill for amending ssv . _ral Acts for the appointment of Ecclesiastical Commis * . oners for England .

      Leave was given to Mr _Wa-. e _. to hnug in i _^ _bill for the registration ef legally qualified practitioners in medicine / and to amend tbe laws relating to the practice of medicine in Grcat Britain and Ireland . Mr Lsbodcb . be again postpun . d his _motivii to bring in a bill forthe reclamation of waste Ian' 6 in Inland until Tuesday next . Ur _BoovsBiE tben moved for and obtained leave to bring in a bill for amending tbe acts for the erection oC ounty buildings . M _ t _ o * . _ it _ k _ _ciLDiKos Act . —LoTd Mokpeth gave notice that he would move for leave to bring in a bill in order to make some amendments in th « Metropolitan Buildings Act .

      Mr T Duncombe said , that in consequence of what had fallen from the noble lord , he would p _.. t . tponeto Thursday week the following motion , of whioh he had giren notice— That a select committee be appointed to inquire into the operation of the Metropolitan Buildings Act , and that the petition of John Todd Merrick , paper . It-UK . and Bftnufacturer _, which was presented upon

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      'he 29 th day of _ tarch last , be refarred to tbe sal . com « mittee , to report their opinion , with the evidence , to the bouse . There was little doubt thst no bill had ever worked so ill as tbat which the noble lord was about to amend . Sir G , GaEr gave notice for the 23 th instant to move for leave to _brintf in a bill to provide for the better administration of the laws relating to the poor In England and Wales . _Ed-C-Tion—Adjocrnid Debjtb . —The adjourned debute on Education was then _resumed by

      Mr Ewabt , wbo gave in his adhesion to various parts of the government scheme , but obje-oted to others . Ho objected , in the _fir-t place , to making the schoolmaster a teachtr of religion , which was the "main general objectiou" which he had lo V . ie educational plan now before the house . His " special olj « ction" was that , whilst lie wished to do all that was practicable and advisable to elevate the condition of the schoolmaster , be did not think that tlie proper way in wliich to effect so desirable an ind was to grant retiring pensions , or to give occasional gratuities to schoolmasters , Thatfcutuie of tho scheme was also objcctie . _able , In his opinion , whicli provided for appointments under government for

      unsuccessful caudidates for exhibitions in the normal schoolsabne , which appointment , be maintained , should be thrown open to general free competition , on the principle of iraparitnl examination . Such wtre the grounds on _wliish he _objected to the scheme in part , his opposition not extending tothe entire plan , in s » me portions of which he " traced tbe _i-lmplo elements oi progrdss . " His objections to tke scheme wero embodied in the amendments which stood in his name on the paper , and which he would move , if it were competent for him to do so , simply as .-. _mendments to the scheme ofthe government . Viewing some portions of that scheme with fnvour , he could not vote for tbo motion presented by Mr Duncombe * .

      _Sir C . Napieb could cot conscientiously vote for any plan of education from the benefits of which Roman Catholics and Dissenters would be practical ") excluded . The E . rlofSc _...-hnd not made up his mind as to his vote without a painful struggle . On the one side , he found that , from this greatgrant for education at thc expense of the State , the Rcir _. au Catholics were excluded . How then could Lord J , Russell expect the support of Roman Catholic members if his _lordslip had correctly c . allted out thu course to be taken by the Committee ot Privy Council ? How could Roman Catholic members shrink from coming forward in support of tho other friends of _religious freedom ! He , therefore , thanked Mr T . Duncombe , Sir C . Napier , and others , for the opposition which they had given to that part of the government scheme . It was true that Lord J . Russell had said th it be did not _consider himself precluded from proposing hereafter a minute in favour of the

      Roman Catholics ; buthe had refrained from saying when he would do so , _nndhefthe Earl of Surrey ) knew well that , if his lordship proposed it separately , it would be exposed to the hostility of every other class of Dissenters . Thut was one side of the question . On the other , he saw the country , in a deplorable condition of ignorance , and the giu _* ls full of criminals ignorant of the very name of God . The Roman Catholics , whoto missionaries had been so successful in spreading religious truth in every quarter ofthe globe , were excluded by this scheme from contributing their efforts to emancipate their fellowcountrymen from ignorance . But though such was the case , they would gain nothing by excluding others from such a _tflsk . He should not , therefore , stand in the way of education to others , though ednentlon was refused to the members ofhis own creed , He would throw over every jealousy and would grant his support to the scheme now propounded by _goveinmont . ( Great cheering from all sides of the house . )

      Mr Sevmeb supported the Ministerial scheme , and in the course ofhis speech gave the following description of pupils and teachers in the rural districts . * in the poorlaw unions of Norfolk and Suffolk , which were fair specimens ot agricultural districts , one-half of the inmates above 16 , could neither read nor write at all , or could only do to imperfectly—and more especially when he _rouiembercd what was meant by reading aud writing " imperfectly . " When the term " read _imperfectlj " was used , it meant that _reading was always a trouble and a task to the person , and that he wat obliged to spell almost every word . And as for" writing imperfectly , "—had hon . gentlemen ever seen a labouring man sign his name t First he looked at the pen , then he looked at the ink , then at the paper , and at length aftersundry ponderous

      groans , he made some extraordinary _hwreglyphic _, worthy the attention of M . Champollion or Sir Gardiner Wilkin _, son ( cheers and laughter ) . Hon gentlemen who were acquainted with the rural districts would " . now that the boys , on leaving school , were generally empl yed in the dignified occupation of bird-Keeping . There they sat the gi eattr part of the day under a hedge , passing their lives i __ a mte cf dreamy existence . They saw u rook , and they apostrophised _himnsa "black rascal ; " and that was tbeir occupation ; or if they were of a more active temptrament , they employed _themselves , like a Transatlantic senator , with his whittling knife , in cutting imtcheson a post ( great laughter ) . Those were the pupils . Next he came to the masters . Men were generally made schoolmasters because they were unfit for

      anything else . If a man lost a leg or an arm , the first thing he did was to look for a turnpike ; or failing an empty turnpike , be next applied for the situation of village schoolmaster , and very often with success . He did not mean to say that such a man would be employed iii spite ofa ba . moral character ; but he certainly would in spite of the absence of those intellectual qualifications which should fit him for his office . And he did not blame those who employed bim much , for there waB little competition for the place , and tbey were glad to relieve the parish from the burthen of a large fa . _uily , because _S'jvnehow or other such men always had large families ( a laugh ) , Hon . gentlemen might say that he was making a bad case fur himself , for that he was now describing schools in the agricultural districts , which for the most

      part belonged tothe Church of Englaud . That was true ; but lie did not at all wish to blink the truth with regard to those schools . He was tired of friendly reports drawn up by friendly secretaries , and read before friendly committees . Hewastiredof all that . He wished to conceul nothing , but wanted a fair and impartial inspection by the government . ( Hear , hear . ) If he turned to town schools , however , be found that the same thing was tho case . He held in his hand a short extract from a valuable publication of tbe Statistical Society , « ho appointed a committee to inquire into the subject . That report stated tbat the mist _.-es ; c 8 of common daily schools were sometimes persons unable to go to service from illness , orin coasequence of being the mothers of large families , or from a desire to

      remain at home to nurse a-sick parent . A large portion ef thc * masters of common or middling dsilv schools were men in distressed circumstances , or hud failed in trade , andbat * taken up the profession ofa schoolmaster as a last resource . The report addt-d that the committee had scarcely ever entered into conversation with tlio pvopric . tors of a common or middling day school , but they begun to talk of beirg better off . A qu _.-stion hnd been asked of thc teacher in a dame- school with regard to thc amount of remuneration which she received , and the amount of knowledge ethic , she imparted , nnd her answer was , " It's little they pays us , and it ' s little wc teach them . '' ( Laughter . ) Such as he had described being the state of e _. _-. ucaiion in tbe country , and such being the condition of the schoolmasters , how were the

      government to meet the evii ? By placing the schoolmasters in a better condition than that which they at present occupy , making their situation more honourable , and giving them a _corresponding advantage alter several yeari spent in the service ot the country , for it was truly in the service of the country , ( Hear , hear . ) Those wbo supported the measure of the government did not do so with a wish to fill the church by emptying the chapel , but with a wish to reclaim those parties win . go neither to church nor _cliapel , and who were gvtiwii g up in ignorance . At _wIiobu expense was it prorosed t . » carry out this plan ! Not at the expense of ihe dis enters , but « t the expense of vice nnd brutal ignorance in which millions were now plunged , and wi ich led to pra . 'lical Athebm .

      Mr Agmonbv opposed the scheme , because he _considered _iniet whilst it positively etcluded some from its hen . fits , it indirectly excluded others , and thus deprived i . nc masses of the people of the a-lvit-tage * that a g . ueru " : state education profes _* cd to afford . Lor . l _Sandon , although be objected to some portions of the goverument p ' au , bailed it , ou the whole , as a great step in the light direction . It did mt treat religion wiih disregard , though it conformed itself to tlio habits and feelings of the country . Mr Cisbo-N _. argued that the state ought not to interfere in tlie promotion of education , and was proceeding in his remarks , when Mr Ro _. ucck . moved that the house be counted ; but forty members having been found present , the debate proceeded .

      Mr Gisborne oontinucd , in proof of his proposition that national education was not conducive to national benefits , he instanced the case of Prussia , thc educational system of which had left that country at u lower point in the scale of morality than any o _. her country in Qermany . Nor eould hi * agree with Mr Yncaalay _, in the eulogy which he had passed upou thu Scotch and their nutlonal system of instruction . He was in the habit of going to Greenock and Glasgow twice a-year , and staying there for a fortnight at a time ; but he hud nut seen anything that raised them in his estimation as civilized towns , or showed that the Scotch had derived benefit from tlieir

      national education . He rather _vi . ought tl ere might be found in parts of those towns and the- neighbourhood a population that might very well an wer the description given by tlie noble lord ( Lord J . Russell ) on tlie authority of the Preston chaplain . He ( Mr Gishetne ) hud seen places in those towns in wbich he should be quite us luatli to'rust himself as in any in Manchester or Liverpool ; aud tie did believe that the _English were a more . ' civilized people than thc Scotch . ( lt > was quite sure the _Ei _. g ish were superior to the Scotch in regard to their _dwtll'iijjB , und in habits of cleanliness and in sobriety ,

      though the latter _evtiuld be found to be the better controversialists .. ( A ) aui ; h . j He was in the-habit ot spending several weeks in thc _> tar in a Highland glen , where there wus a considerable population , and something approaching to a village . The clergymuu said of that educated Highland population , " As long as their money lasts , it is not that this niuii cr that man is drunk—the glen is drunk a _. _fufi-e ' . er . " _( Laugtiter . J Uo ( Mr Gisborne ) once tuok occasion to tell his own personal attendant there , when he was uu < with him , "I am afraid , Donald , you are a sad t . _Uoiv ; I hear that when I am

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      way , you are _perpetually drunk ; " and the man ' s only answer was , "No , Sir , I am seldom drunk , except on Sabbath ( a laugb ) , and perhaps a bit at Yule , or at the new year . " These educated _Uighlanders _. eapttal writeis , readers , and equal to a good deal of arithmetic , _nere , in every other ruspect , must perfect barbarians . He ( Mr _Gisborre ) hud not u labourer « ho would Utter down his pig in one _» of their house * until he had cleared it out . ( A laugh . ) He believed the description ho bad given to be not of nn exception , but the general character of tbe Scotch Highlanders . But they were great controver » _ialists ( a laugh ); they all kn _* iW enough of divinity to solve tbe Free Church question . ( Hoar , ) He was sorry the member for Edinburgh w « j not in his seat , for he had a little complaint to make against him for his ingratitude in speaking as he did of th « Bristol and Hottinghim riots _ivhicii carried the Reform Bill . ( " Hear , " and a laugh 1 The right hon , gtntleinau hud a very amplo vocabulary , mid he laid his hands or . some of the worst words in it to

      apply to certain of the poor patriots who assistedm carry _, ing that hill . ( Mr l \ otheroe here expressed dissent ) Perhaps the hon , gentleman would deny that there wero any riots ut Bristol ( a laugh ); or if he meaut to deny that they helped to carry the Reform Bill , nobody else . W' _. uld deny it . But this was beside the _question ( hear ) , _exct pt that he ( Mr Gisborne ) might observe , tlmt if national education would pr , vent ebullitions ot that sort on proper occasions , it would not be a recommendation of it in his judgment . ( A laugh . ) Mr i' . _BouTHwiC- said that it did not follow that the

      Scotch were uneducated because the man who carried the hon . membei ' a gun in the Highlamls' got drunk . He believed tho pr- sent measure prorided the best means of education for the people that it was possible for the government to provide . There was an admitted evil to be remedied . The govcrtimentproposed a scheme which hud iu it some good . _Theanieji'ImeutproposedaplanforposU poning that scheme indefinitely , He felt himself bound to support the scheme of the government . The speech ofthe noble lord ( Lard J . Russell ) was worthy ofthe best days oi' England ' s statesmen . He wish . d thu noble loru ' _-t measure had been equally bold _.

      Lord MoitpiTH , after expressing his regret that he wns obliged to oppose the wishes of many of hit _om-jtilucuts _, entered into a general defence of thc Minute , of August and D'iceutber last agaiust the objections ur-, cd against them by Mr Duncombe and Mr Gubornc . Mr Gisborne , in the course ut ' l _. is ingenious and amusing speech , was especially severe on the Prussians und the _scotch , and read an extract from thu v . oik of Mr L'ting—a most ingenious and accomplished traveller—who g _* ve un _uufavoL-rablv account ot ' rheresults of the education in Prussia ; a majority of the writers who havo vi . ited that country _gite , on the coutrnry , a very favourable impression ot * it . ( Hear , hear . ) The hon . member ( said his lordehip ) was extrtmtly severe ou the Scotch . As I hav . ; not had the

      good fortune—or bad fortune , as he , perhaps , would esteem it—of having ever been on the other side of the Tweed , I do not feel myself qualiii . d to defend that people , who are uot usually backward iu making good their own cause ; but he t . ldu . s that ihe _iiijliluu _. _ c , __' . c _ were a nation of savages , I must say that he g . * tvo , considering they wcie _saeages , rather a classical account of them , for he told us thut be had attached to him as a per . _sonal attendant a man that wus always drunk on _Suudaj s aud _holidays .. ( Laughter . ) " Ipse dies agitat _festos , "which must bave often kappeued to him ;—" i ' _ususque * per hcrbam , " —for he held one ofhis lestivities at Christmas , —

      " _Ignis ubi in medio , et socii _vratera _coronaut , Te lib _. us _Len-ee , vecat , " I am only sorry that he attached so very reprobate a per * sun as his personal attendant . ( Laughter . ) I must say I take a Very _diKVvt-t view from the hou . member for Nottingham of tl t effect which the Bristol riots had in securing the ultimate _succes-f of the Rufurni Bill , But , whether the hon , mtijib . r for Nottingham be right or wroi . g in attributing the success of the Reform Bill to these riots , at all tveula I do not with to abstain from endeavouring to bring the machinery ol the statu to bear on the education of the people for tbo sake of such national ebullitions as these . ( H . ar , heat . ) That hon , member is the only oik / " who has taken up the ground ef denying the right of Parliament to educate the

      people . My hon . friend who moved the amendment ( Mr Duncombe ) scarcely _toukiup th . _'Uground . His lordship _we _.. t ou to say , that on the subject of edusatiuti there wero , as uswl , thr _. e courses t . he pursued . We might have adopted an exclusive system of educationfur instance , a system on the principles of the Church of Englaud . To no auch system could he have been a party . Or , we might have adopted _ttiiat was called the uniformity system ; but that would uot have met ti . * j consent of either Parliament or _people . Then eame _ilio co-operative system , which , built on the superstructure of popular effort , was the only course left to us . That course the government bad adopt * d _, and he was willing io adopt it also , and to work it , us far as he could , for the benefit of the people . It was , however , _imuoskieile for him to

      hear , without emotion , the speech of Lord Surrey , with respect to thc effect of their adherence to that version upon the Roman Catholics . When he first became a member of the Privy Council , he found Critain minutes iu force . They had since been enluiged _, as thc _lmusc knew ; and when any fresh change wus iuteudedin them , it would be fair to give notice t , f it to Parlhtnent . Tbe admission of the Douny version , and tbe establishment of Roman Catholic _. chool ., would he a change of sach importance as tu require innnedftte notice of it to be given . Tim Roman Catholic applications to the Privy Council _had-r . ot jet assumed a distinct form , aud he did notknow how for the Roman Catholic . is ' ioi > s would ; _ppi- _ r * of

      anj inspectiou of their schools by tbe government . But he must now add , in justice to him _* , elt and in fairness ( 0 his constituents , that of no com _ dttte ot Privy Council , which should refuse Roman Catholic applications merely because they were Roman Catholic , could he remain or be a member . He then adverted to tbe deficient quantity of school education in England , and siid that he would have dwelt on its details longer , only ihut they made him ashamed thut the government was not doing _inoie to improve it . The noble lord , in conclusion , regretted the opposition offered by Dissenters to the-educational _prttposition ofthe government , but , how . ver they might embitter the discussion ef the qaes . on , he promised them t ' _iat their efforts would surely tail _.

      Mr B _ i-u _ opposed tho _minutis of education , as a zealous aud determined Nonconformist . The _Established Church was , in bis opiBioU , hostile to the practice and principles ot liberty , and he strongl , , protested ugainst any system which would enhance its _ponvr _, enlarge its influence , and promote ) its _aggrandizement . Sir G . Gbet then entered iuto an _elaborate vindication ofthe scheme before the house , Uu could not _regard Mr Bright as an authority as to the opinions of Nonconformists , whtn he recollected that many of the most eminent men and writers connected with the

      Nonconformist body had expressed opinions in reference to education utterl y at war with those whieh hud that evening been delivered by the hon , mimbcr for Durham . He read extracts fro m several Nonconformist authors , to show how favourable many of them were to a system of state education , and from several petitions , some ot ' which had been _prtsented by Mr Bright himself , which went to prove tbat the Nonconformist body were by no means united in their opposition to such a system . A * to the exclusion or Rumxu Catholics irom the benefits of the grant , he was ready to admit that the complaints of that body were well founded , and he would be most happy

      to lend his co-operation to the task of securing them a p _ vtttip „ ti _! i lu the advantages wliich it was proposed to _tjxtend to their Protestant fellow-subjects . He was happy to find that thc house entertained but one opinion as to tbo injustice aud impolicy of their t-xciusion , and would gladly lend his aid , in deference to the public voice , iu aUering the minutes of council which operated so unjustly in reference to a large portion of their fellow-countrymen , He had every confidence in tho good seuse of the house and ofthe country , to which the government now appealed , in support of an educational scheme , which was admittedly au impeifect one , but which was tbe best thut could now bo presented .

      Mr I 1 i- » lev claimed a right to be heard even at that late hour oi the night , as he had presented 7 VJ _psiilious ou the subject which was then before thu Uou _*> u . He . admitted that the dissenters had not taken the ) most prudeut course on tbis occasion , but contended thut Lord J . Russell should have recollected tho past services they had _rendered to thc great cause of religious liberty , and should not have castigated them with _. su . h _mercili-ss severity . He carefully separated himself from the political dissenters of Mr Baiues ' s school , and < . 'out ' es * . cd that whether tt was owing to _tkeopacity of his own intellect , or to some other cause , he had been unconvinced by all tbe sophistries and fallacies which had emanated from that quarter . Ho could not , however , concur iu these minutes . He thought that they ought to be modified in several important particulars , and above , ull he thouglii that the * voluntary principle , which hud not yet failed , ought to have been tried for a year longer .

      On the motion of Sir W . Clay the debate was adjourned to Thursday . The house adjourned at a quarter past twelve o ' clock , WEDNESDAY , Aran , 21 . HOUSE OF COMMONS . —Tho _ttcond reading of the Parliamentary Electors Bill was adjourned uutil Wednesday next . - Hosiery Mandfactcre Bat . — -Mr Hbhe observod tbat as this bill was set down for a second reading this day , he wished to know whether it was the intention to proceed with thc debate upon it , aud also whether the government intended to oppose it ? Mr M . Gibson replied that he believed the honourable baronet ( Sit _H . Hulfvrd ) , who had the bill in charge , did not intend to proceed with it thut day . With reference to tbe other question put by the honourable gentleman , he begged to say that thc _gevernnent would find themselves culled upon to oppose the bill _.

      Sir II . Halvobd said he had no objection to postpone the second reading for a fortnight , in deference to the expected debate upon tbe question of receiving tho report on the Factories Bill ; it was his intention most certainly to proceed with the bill on that dny fortnight , aud avail himself of tbe opportunity to make his statement . Mr Febband expressed a hope that no unnecessary impediments would be thrown in the way of the bill . Sir J . _EAB-rnoPE thought that the honourable burouet bad taken tbe proper course in postponing the _second reading , as it was desirable that every opportunity should be given to such members of tho house as were desirous of fully considering both the priuuiple and details of such a measure , of doing so . Ue readily ad . miucl that the poor poople whose ; ease was emhu'iied in tha bill had many evils _ofwbish to complain , buthe feared thnt the proposed measure , in seeking to afford tbem redress , would ouly _givs rise to otber evils _ereatsr

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      even than those which it was designed to remove ; in other words , he feared that the remedy would b _« worse than the disease . He wa- confident , however , that wben the bill came up for consideration on the _sscond reading , it woutd undergo the most earnest scrutiny on tbe part ot the house , The second reading was then postponed fer a fortnight . _Factoi-ibs Biu — On the motion that the report on this bill ba r . ceived , Mr Tbelawny gave it his most decided opposition , on the ground that it was a perfect mockery to introduce such a bill unless the house was also prepared to fix the rate of wasosand the price of provisions .

      Mr _Ho _* . E then moved that the report be _troucht up that day six months . Every hour for which thc bill was delayed afforded fresh proof of its _jtistco and impolicy , and he felt called upon to avail himself ot every opportunity nith whicli theformsof the house presented him , of giving it hi * most strenuous oppos ' uion . He could not refrain from again expressing his astonishment and regret at the extraordinary course which the government had thought proper to pursue in regard to the bill , Mr _I'bows seconded the motion . Mr Hume blamed tbe government for giving any sanction to this measure . The encroachments already made upon us by the manufacturers of America were so great that it was nothing short of insanity to agree to it . He , tlicrifore _, moved that the report be received on that day six months , Mr Bbown seconded thc amendment _.

      After a few words from Mr il . PntL _ ti ? s , against the bill , Mr P . Hov ard and Mr S , _Cbawsobd both supported it . Tlie latter gentleman denounced the opposition to it as unfair nnd vexatious . No notice was on thepnper ofthe dny , nnd yet an attempt was made to defeat the bill by taking the friends ofthe measure by surprise . Mr B . Escott denied that the opposition to this bill had been unfair . He implored _thehou'e , in mercy to the labouring classes , to reject the measure . Mr Febband taunted Mr C . Escott with the inconsistency of bis proceedings on this bill . Formerly he had _tupported , now he opposed it . MrM . _N-TZ and Sir De L . Evans supported tis bill ; Mr Tanobe » opposed it .

      Lor . J . _Kussell deprecated renewing the discussion upon the bill ut tbis stage of it . He regretted that it had been fasbioncd in eomrnittee into a Ten Hours' Bill , _rej-avding the weight of experience as only in favourof an Eleven Hours' Bill . He would , bowever , support the bill as it sto _<\ although it might be nccessnry to reconsider _itdurin-r a future session . Thc noble lord _bri-fly addressed himself to the argument that interfeienco with the labour of young persons would tend to limit adult labour , in reference to which ho thought that the apprehensions of the opponents of the bill were not well founded . Mr _Koebvck denounced tbe conduct of tbe noblo lord , in reference to the bill , as very unstatcsmanlike . The house then divided , wben

      thennnibcrswere—For Mr Hume ' s amendment d 6 Againstit 101 _Majority against the amendment ... . 8 Tbe report was then brought up and received . Mr . BfiO'YN * then moved the amendment of which he had - jiven notice , to tlie effect that any occupier of a mill , being a lessee , who , from the operation of the provisions of this bill , should be prevented from _tisiiiK hia steam machinery or water power for as many hours during the day as be bad contemplated using them when he took tbe lease , should be entitled to a proportionate abatement of rent ; hut , alter some conversation , in which Sir G . Grey , Mr T . _Egerton , Mv . Brotheiton , Mr Ferrand , Air Roebuck , Mr jNewdegate , Mr Aglitmby , Mr M . Phillips , _ _ir R . Peel , and Lord J . Manners joined , was induced to withdraw it .

      Mr RotnLCK took the opportunity to assert that the Protectionists bad threatened thc manufacturers with a blister , in revenge for having assisted in repealing the Corn Laws , and tbat this bill was tbe realisation of that _thivat . I _. otdJ . M - NK-tis _, as the person towbom tbe expression of such a threat had been attributed , emphatically denied that he had ever used suclia . tbveat , or even _thouj-ht of it . Viscount _Eurlnoton then moved tbat none of the provisions of thc act , respecting the restriction of the hours of labour , should apply to adult women . This motion was negatived without a division . The noble lord then moved three additional clauses , to whick no seconder being found , they were dropped .

      Mr Lb . der then moved the following clause — " And be it enacted , that if any accident happen to the steam-engine , _water-wheei , or mill-gearing , in any factory , whereby any part ofthe manufacturing machinery shall be stopped during the usual hours of work allowed by this act , it shall be lawful to recover the time so lost in the following manner , that is to _srty , any child or young person , or any woman , may be . employed one hour in each day , more than thc time to which the ordinary daily labour of children and young persons and women respectively is restricted by law , until such lost time he recovered . " The heuse after some conversation upon this clauso divided , and the numbers were—For the clause .... „„ .... 31 Against it 94 _Alajoi'ity against the clause ... 03

      Mr B . Escott then suggested that tbe third _reading of the bill be postponed for some time , and that a call of the house should be made in order tbat the collective opinion of the whole bouse might be obtained upon the question of the third reading of the

      bill . Mr Fielden coutd not accept the suggestion , and wished to bave the third reading taken en Thursday or Friday . After somo further conversation , it was ordered to be read a third time on Friday . There was , ' however , a general understanding that this arrangement was only made to cnah e the house to fix on that day another for the further discussion of the measure . Tlio Naval Prisons Bill went through committee , but not without a discussion on the severity of the punishments indicted iu the navy _. The other oi-ei . ofthe day were then disposed of , and the liouse adjourned . THURSDAY , Amu . 22 . HOUSE OP LORDS . — After the presentation of a number of petitious for and against the Government Scheme of _Education , the Fever ( Ireland ) Hill went through committee , and the House adjourned ,

      IIOUSE OF COMMONS . — A number of petitions were presented for and against the Government Schema of _Education , the latter being the most numerous . Education .- —Adjourned Debate . —The adjourned debate on the motion to go into committee of supply on the Education grant , nud Mr T . Duncombe ' s amendment _tlieteto , was resumed by Sir W . Ct _. Y . The hon . B . ii- » net opposed the plan as unjust , inexpedient , and ine'flicient . S ' r J . _Parkingtom supported the measure . Mr . Hdmb _supported Mr . buncombe ' s amendment . Sir W , James and Sir J . EAsTuorK spoke in favour ofthe raiuistcrial proposal , Mr S . Ciu wfouo opposed the minutes in Council , and blamed Lord Arundel and Surrey for liaviny :, as the head of the Roman Catholics of England , accepted a proposal that was an insult to the Roman Catholic community . Sir W . _Mo _. _eswobtb and Lord Mauon supported the measure .

      Sir James Graham having to decide between the motion ofthe government to go into committee of supply to consider a vote of £ 100 , 000 for the purposes of general education , aad ttiei ameadineut _yvoposetl _b-j Ut Duncombe for tbe appointment of a committee of inquiry , could not hesitate to rote against an inquiry that he believed to ba altogether superfluous , and for th _« motion to consider thc education grant . Lord _Jon » _llussELi , replied ut -on & _idwsWe length to the arguments adduced by his opponents , after which Sir Robert Pee . spoke in favour of the government plan . Mr Doncumbc asked leave of the house to withdraw that part ofhis motion which implied a censure on th * Government . LorelJ . Russell consented , and the house divided on the . _altered »_ isudm _« if . — For Mr Duncombe ' s amendment ... 41 Against it ... ... ... ... 3 T 2

      Majority against the amendment 3-5 On tbe motion of Lord 3 . Russell , tbe further proceeding was adjourned . The house rose nt ono o ' clock . _PRIDAY , _Arsit 23 . _nOUSE OF LORDS . —A number of bills received the toy ul assent . _Cosioits' Doties Bi _. _r ,. —Lord C _.-BtnooN moved the second reading ot the Customs' Duties Bill . The Duke of Montrose moved , as an amendment , that a Committee of Inquiry on the subject be appointed . After much discussion , thu secoud rending wa < agreed to by a majority of !) , the ) numburs bciii _;?— Contents , 57 ; _Noii-cntonts , 4 . 8 . T he House , tlvsu _ djwci _* ,- < . _» ..

      HOUSE OP COMMONS Business of the _IIodsr . — Lord J . Russell said he should propose that , on the assumption that the house resolved itself into Committee that ni _^ 'ht , and came tithe conclusion of tbe debate upon the education vote , the report of the Committee on the miscellaneous estimates , No . 4 , should bo received tbe first ihi-g on Monday nest . Then tbe Chancellor of the Exchequer wished to take a vote in order to enable the Exchequer Loan Commissioners to advance large sums of money for certain railways in Ireland , which

      those railways could borrow on usury . The _Secretary of State for the Home Dspartment proposed next to take into consideration the Prisons Bill . On Friday hu proposed to bring forward two bill * with _respect to Ireland , the one a bill for tho supervision o . lho poor law , and the other a bill for thc suppression of . vagrancy . Monday , thc 3 rd of _Mtty next , he should bo ut liberty to move thu third reading of the Ten Hours ' factory Bill . _Client , Uear . ) On llouday , the W \ b of Mp _. y next , heproposed to go on with the Railway Bill bro tight In by Mr Strutt .

      The remainder of the evening was _ot _ * cnpied in _discussioti on Sir W , Clay ' s amendment in ) . * egard to the Government .. heme of Education , to t „ e effect , " That it is expedient tbat ia any plan for _promoting the education ofjthe people by pecuniary _assistance from the State , provision should bo made , that , in . schools receiving such

      Monday, April 19. Hotjse Op Lords.—Some ...

      _asssistaneo , the opportunity ef participating | _T _JT ~" ¦ truction other than religious should be afford J _,. V * _drtn whose parents may object to the rellgioutdl _. _*¦ _" ' taught in __ ch schools . " ug | : t * itl _5 | On a division , the numbers were—for the atni > n _^ 74 ; againstit , 210 ; the _auumd-nent w . _conZ _"*• lost by n majority of 136 . The vote wai then .., ; "J ' and tho house _adjourned . * " " t _«

      ¦ The Northern Star. ¦ A:.:Il 24, !S47

      ¦ THE NORTHERN STAR . ¦ A :.: il 24 , ! _s 47

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      Marllsoltougil-Strbet— Novel Srr .E N "*...

      _MARLlSOltOUGil-STRBET— Novel _Srr . e n _"* nsR .. _~ Edwiii'd Lar _. in and John Duscr , were k ' ' before Mr Bingham , charged with _hav-:., _»««„ _, ' . ' "f rob Mr J * . Simpson , licensed victualler , ft ,, -, % \ £ . -0 _mred . —T . _Alness deposed thnt the priio _» ng _nll"' _^ Mr Simpson ' s house ami culled f „ r some ber _n were served , and were left alone in front of th- ( ,., a *' of the pri _. onws then got upon a barrel , a ,, -A V ' stick , the top uf which wai _dwuhtd with V . r _. atte to reach a _sovereign nhich was placed on a si ' _iclfT _^ _' * the hi _. r , hut in Its efforts to fix it to the stub tli reign was kr . ocke . tl off tho _slu-lf _, _„„ d the no sc _atira _«! i the attention of the landlad y who came out . 'Vt immediately _nr-i-unintcd her with what _| , au iali („ lu " ' and on _looking on the fl . r the suvtr . gn wat , found Ja , " ¦ a _purtiMi of the tar adhering to it . \\ _- _llilv t , . " * _bu-iedin his attempt to g , t tlw m , .. „ _„ , _ _£ held him up and gave him all the _assi-tunee * i „ ' . _'_ L _ . Mr _Simpjon corroborated the t . stimony of tht It * , ' t » u ness . —The ; prisoners were fully _coiiimittt _. _l

      M ARYLE HONE . _—Bobolart . —Francis _M'Caithvwfl Charged with having . » ttved tbe premises of . Mr M CnrtiT _, of 22 , _Mornington-road , and stolen tticroftom jewellery and other _proptry . On Saturday ni ght last about IS o ' clock , as prostcutor was retiring * to rest h ' received such information as induced hira to go _ _* , | . * the attic , where he found that a pane of glass therein had been hfokt . n , and thatthe window was thrown _ _. fforaiug every facility for an _i-. try into the . _'H > nt _tuicnb ' He ascertained that a desk had been fotcet' by _. ume in ' strument _, a silver pencil case . - taken cut ; and on e _ r , ttu ning the tuo rooms , on the second floor , ha misted * _kaleidescope , a gold bioucli , and a gold ring ; som _$ . ' rawcrB had also ban opened mid rummaged . It _^ _j , further shown , that durin ; ' the absence of Mrs Blajney who lives two doors from where the robbery was com .

      milted , the thieves effected an entrunce by means ui skeleton keys , and that they afterwards made their \ va » along the leads to Mr Carter ' s dwelling . Ou Mrs _Bla-., ney's return home the prisoner und nnotlur person rushed by her in the passage , nnd pushed lnr down the steps , when they mada off , Prisoner was taken by _Ueale-J , 227 S ; his companion escaped . On his _be-fo g stopped , a crttw . bnr , a _kaleidoscope , an awl , a piece of candle , and a box of _lucife-rs , wire found upon him . U _* . was then conveyed to the station-house . At an carlt hour on the following morning a gemltman , name - Lord , and his d . _iugi-. ter , of Au _^ _ista . Cottage , Park Til . ' «•?¦ - , picked up in the garden at the back of their _rssu deuce ths pencil-case , the gold brooch , and tho ri _» which the prisoner must have thrown away while tb , ' police were in pursuit of him —The articles found in ti , _possession were identified by Mr Carttr as being I is pro , perty . —The _prL-outr , who had nothing to say , w _ 3 full ; committed for trial .

      _WESTMINSTER . _— . oiNiNo _.-jt-hn and Ellin M'lb , _nus wrre charged nilh _coining . Srtj _^ _. nt Brennan , 20 6 , stated that in constquence of _directions received from lit Hint authorities , he went , accompanied by a numbtr of other officers ofthe G and B divisions , to 3 , Pear-street , Westminster . They proceeded to 8 back room on ths _second floor , the door of which they broke open with i sledge hammer and crow-bar . Ou entering the room ( hey s _. eured the male prisoner , who had , when the doct was partially opened , endeavoured to _t'Lse it again . Immediately after they had gained access the fem & _ls _prisonejr opened the window and put her right handout _. On a table near the fire-place tlicy found a great numbet of counterfeit sixpences quite warm , tho channel of j mould , a quantity of plaster of Paris , and hot ivhite

      metal on the hearth , \ _vitne--s was about to bring tht things away , when the znsle prisoner , who was hand . _euffed , suddenly broke away from the _officer _nho _hui charge of him , and endeavoured to destvoy tha _tUavtad , of the mould . The male prisoner , on being asked whether he wished to say anything in reply to the _cliirge , declared that a parcel came to bis house at about _tnelrs o ' clock on Monday , and on his opening it he discovered that it contained the things subsequently found ly the officers , which he wns destroying the moment the police entered . The woman said that tbe things were brought toth . ir liouse to get them into trouble . Mr Broiltrip said that the charge was ons of a very serious nature , and _remnnt _' ed the prisoners for a week . HAMMERSMITH . —Stahbu . o with a _Pircurtfix _. -.

      George Tagg , _under-hwtsckeeiier to Mr T , K-evj , o _» nlbus proprietor , Turriham-gretn , was brought afford the mugistrate on a charge of having stabbed J , _Toriier . 3 , Turner , who appeared in a very weak state , deposed he was head _horsekeeper in Mr Kirby ' s service . Ou the evening of Saturday , the 10 th inst ,, be waa in his master ' s yard , when he and the prisoner had some words about the latter having been a long time gone to his teu , and thereby neglecting bis work . Witness was st thetime dressing ahorse in the yard , when the prisoner rushed out of the _sioblo with a pitchfork , with which , after a struggle , he stabbed witness in the head . He bled a great deal from the wounds he receivtd , a d , becoming very _, faint , he was taken to Mr Dodsworth ' s , a surgeon , who dressed the wounds . Witness had been ever since ut _.-tr Mr Dodsworth ' s care , quite unable to do any work , and still suffering great pain In the head . The prisoner wai

      sober , and witness gave him no provocation whatever , On the tveoing in question Letitia Morrell was standing at the door , which looks into the yard where Mr . Kirby ' s horses _nre'kept _, and saw the prisoner moke a stab at tht head of the witness , James Turner , with a pitchfork , and then immediately strike him on tbe head with the iron part of tbe fork a violent blow . Witness saw tha blood streaming from Turner ' s head . Mr Frederick C , Dodsworth examined Turnei ' s head , and found a wound nearly two inches long on the left side near the top , and a severe punctured wound on the _left- ' emple . The bone at the first wound wns quite bare , and a blood-vessel was divides ! in the wound in the temple . Turner was in great danger for some days . The prisoner , it hen called upon to answer the charge , ha _. dtd in * written pap .-r , requesting that it might be read . Its contents were as _f-llows :

      Honoured Sir , —I wish tostate my ease particularly to you in writing . On the evening of last Saturday week , I w % nt to Hammersmith to buy myself a pair of boots-filth my little boy . When I went back the man Turner kicked up a row , aud hit me in the face , and knocked ine Join . I up with a fork and struck him on the face , and before I was able to recover myself , he struck me a second time in the face , and thtn I up with the fork and struck him on the head . But he said I stabbed him , but I did no such thing . There was no one there but our two selves , —GenBOE Tago .

      Turner , in answer to questions put to him by the magistrate , denied the truth of the prisoner ' s statement . Mr Paynter said the charge was a very serious one , ami it was his duty to fully commit the prisoner to Newgate for trial on the capital charge .

      Corn Itohets

      Corn _itohets

      Ma11k Lane, Mondav, April 19. Though The...

      MA 11 K LANE , Mondav , April 19 . Though there was rather a _be'ttersho't-ofwheatattW" i " morning's market , the supply was , on the whole , small . I . Por fine white DOs , and for the best red , 85 s per quart-r : r was made . MARK LANE , _Wkdnesdat , April 21 . The arrival of English wheat since Monday has bpert _: n very small , aud the supply of that article of grain bete te this morning wus unusually limited . All kinds motavery ry read- sale , at , in most instances , a further advance ui in the quotations of quite Is perqr , send nt which most ot ot fhe samples found buyers . The transactions in foreign { ii wheat were small , owing to the want of supply , hut p rioos . v _"

      must bo considered quite is per qr higher . The sate tor tor nil descriptions of barley was firm , but we can notiVt ! " * no further advance in the quotatons . Malt was in shortort supply and fair request , at last week ' s currencies , ilwilw out trade was steady at extreme ratos . Beans , peas , m In dian corn and flour , are helel for more money . MARK LANE , _Fbuiat , " Anm . 23 . . . Thc quantity of home wheat was unusually small own *? uj ? to which , and th « increased attendance e * , _f buy - w , * ' u >" demand was active at an advance of from ls to , in _soiuJotiU instances , ' - ' s per qr . A large quantity of foreign corrjcorii was taken on French account , at advance of Is to it ''« ' F qr . Oats _adraiiccd ts per qr .

      Provincial Markets. Riciistond (Yo.Ksuir...

      PROVINCIAL MARKETS . _RiciistoND ( Yo _. ksuir _. ) , Saturday . — We had a I ' m * I ' m ' supply of grain iu our market this morning ; the pii . 't ' : > ii . 't ' were much the same as last week . —Wheat sold from W . _Wto 1 is * , oats , 3 s 6 d to 4 s 6 d ; barley , 6 s to 6 s 6 d ; beans _,. „ s , ti to 7 s 3 d per bushel . Liv-Hfool , Tuesday . —At our Corn Exchange tbii tbii morning there was a middling attendance of the « J »« tr » w and good show of samples of all kinds of grain , _floin * . ' 'j- ' . ' ¦ 'j There was a very limited demand for wheat at tho mc vanced prices asked of 61 to 8 d per 7 ottis . on prices of thi _ f thi day week , flour , too , met avoy slow sale , * when Wen to market opened 42 s Gd was asked . Manciiestkb _, Saturday We have had a good damaniman for wheat and flour during the week , at steadily jiMly •« vancing prices . The _CjUtuvttV . of wheat awl flew on otteji otte either English or foreign , ' in small , and both are Here lit firmly , at an advance of lid per bushel on wheat , _« to ts to . per barrel on foreign , and 3 s to 4 s per sack on l . ngu _. ng _. ! flour . . .

      , , _Ln-ns , Tuesday _.-There is a hotter supp ly of wheat f _» c . it fi this day ' s _mark-t _tlwn of late . An advance * _' ' . ,. „ _,,. „ quarter from the rates of this day se'nnight , aim « I' « I _ipi rtcr over Friday ' s prices is freely paid . Havlcy ey i 2 s dearer . Beans , Is higher . ... .,, Halifax , April 17 .-The _dulncss that has _s ? »}<} •» rested on tlie worsted trade remains uuallevia teii , * a , there is no perceptible change either in demanu or a _e > r priccs . Tlie slightly improved demand * _* " _y-JP ' , " ,,, ?' , " ,,,, last week still continues , accompanied by a smnll . au * a _ iu _•' in price ; though the spinners cannot yet obtaiiu u ria u remuneration for their outlay . There is no altn _*« _- « long wool . _,, , , , , _Wa-efikld , Friday . April 2 _* 3 .-An advance of « w « w ; per qr . established ou wheat , and _ fair amount « oi _^ ! business transacted . Barley advanced . is J" - ' * * ' * *' oats « s per load .

      Westima Printed By Dougal M'Gowan, Of 16, Great ^"^'"Jf

      Westima Printed by DOUGAL M'GOWAN , of 16 , Great _^ " _^ _'"Jf

      Street, Haymarket, Iu The City Of Westim...

      street , Haymarket , iu the City of = _*« ' " . * ' i Office , iu the same Street and Parish , tor t " t « e _pri-tov , FEARGUS O'CONNOR , Esq ., and P _" ? P _" ? , by Wilmam Hewitt , of No . 18 , Chnrl . s-strce t . _wet , w dim-str .. t , Walworth , in the parish of St- _** ar '• _*" ... ' ington , in th . County of Surrey , at tlui _OBwo , _*^ c , a ** Great _WinduiUl-sti-ct , Haymarket , iu tue . _d . ol- * . ol » minster . Saturday April 24 th , 1 S _47 ,

  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), April 24, 1847, page 8, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/ns3_24041847/page/8/