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      (J Ro Tfle Nembers Of Thb Land Company,

      ( j ro TflE NEMBERS OF THB LAND COMPANY ,

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      Jl _jft _Dbab Fwbnos , , « , u , I presume , this has been aa anxious ! ' i ! " I shall not attempt to describe my ni * n ! os attbedisappointment sustained b y the 5 ? 2 » fc wh 0 _Tfaited _** estate on Monday a _^ and the tens of thousands who were pree ted by _** " _* _wearte p - _N ° t one of those ic fnch _^ to * _k _*^ ° _^ _^ _vautih sorrow as I 1 i _^ bec ause each only felt for himself , and I , fi fit for a 1 * - _* Ian prop 0563 ' but God disposes ; a not able to command the weather , it is e me gratification that ' one man s meat is l _e ather man ' s poison / and that , while the

      • _qtois _^' sore disappointment , the occupants _^ calciilati Dg upon the fruits of timel y and Ifrerl ' _inS r 8 " * have _done witI ' that J * & is _llong 51 the things that hare heen , and I now f _^ , to what is to be , and what is . The reprejLtation of the Land Company is splendid ; t ii not like any representation that I have L > r eeenia my life ; the Old Guards are there _j _gachingtht juveniles , and the juveniles are denoting the progress that has taken p lace ; ja short , the representatives that you have _jtfit rejoice my heart and bespeak . your _imcrov einent . Itis the _iriyriaiiire of that

      full-JeD gth portrait of Liberty and Wisdom which _Britain will soon present to the world ; aU jet up one purpose — all are aiming to _^ ve at the desired _^ object . If I have had m full share of anxiety , I have had more than my share of reward . Kme of your delegates , repr _^ . ' . tiu _^ _SiMlinnd _, and the _geveVal " _districts of England and part of _jreland , hav « _-examined my aec ? vmts _, from _jjie date nf ih r - _las ' . Conference down to _a < aiu ' . _^ v _^» ' itft- _Viiii : i : Staut ; t ?> _t-r have gone over thera like i ? iea of business , _ct-voting three hours to the task , ana I will give _yos tbe result .

      I produced receipts lor every latlhing , to the amount of a pound , disbursed from the funds , and took no credit for small sums which in the aggregate would have made a large amount , neither have I charged a single farthing for any expense consequent npon _travelling , _exadiining _^ states , and attending auctions , _amounting to about £ 400 or £ 500 , and , before jou seethe , balance sheet printed , perhaps you _^ ould wish to hear the r esult ; MY BREAST PLATE ; my shield , my protection , and my . defence a | ainst the missiles of pettvfogging fartionistsj who sorrow and repine that 1 will ¦ _i . ¦

      not allow them to plunder you . Since our last Conference , in December , I havereceived _Jose upon £ 50 , 000 and for that sum I shewed _whie _forfcvery farthing . We have now in the bank , and in deposit paid on estates , and in cash and stock , nearly £ 35 , 000 of available cap ital , after paying for Herringsgate and operations , and Lowbands and operations , and not counting about £ 1500 worth of horses and farming-implements . More than that , I produced all _^ iankers ' books ; and our agents account for the purchase of Exchequer-Bills ; ind I shewed to the Finance Committee , that ,

      _without a single exception , the monies received up to each Saturday ni g ht were deposited on the following Tuesday , the earliest period at which post office orders could be cashed , and bearing interest from that day to the present _, liow , I think that the par ties who estimated my profits b y tbe amount of interest I got from the funds , will feel ashamed uf themselves . I do not mention this fact as wonderful , because there ought not , AND THERE SHALL

      NOT , be a _deficiencj- of a farthing if the funds reach millions , but I do mention it in the hope of inspiring that confidence which is indispensable to the success of any working man s project . I contend for it that if once confidence is fairly established , the _workingclasses have it in their power to gain the whole representation of the country , leaving to capital , to honour , to dignity , to station , integrity , and intellect , their undiminished share in the government .

      We have placed the Land Company in a different , and in an improved position , and , my friends , is it not a novelty , in these days of party confusion , to find sixty intellectual , independent , thoughtful , sober sons of labour congregated in a thinly populated neighbourhood , holding their parliament in their own senate house , and deliberatel y discussing their own affairs i Has the Land Flan , then , destroyed Chartism ?

      But to what we have done ! We have decided that there shall be an Insurance Office for insuring stock , life _^ and premises upon a smaller rate of payments than those now demanded by any other insurance office ; and this we are enabled to do by co-operation . * We have decided that there shall be a Loan Fund to aid the poorer occupants in the prosecution o f their labours , so tbat none shall be compelled , for want of means , to go out of the Land where I wish them to _' abide . We have not held this out as a bait to catch

      the unwary ; but when we decided upon the principle , atthe same time we voted the means . "Wc voted that £ 500 or more , if needed , be applied from the ' expense fund as a ; loan fund , to assist those who are already located , at the rate of £ 5 per cent . ; and while we offer this advantage , we do not , like other Loan Companies , demand two and twenty per cent ., stopp ing a portion of the interest out of the capital , and then requiring weekly instalments in liquidation ; we g ive the whole sum required , taking a promissory note from two responsible householders , who go security for the occupant requiring the loan , and whose solvency is to be judged by the officers of the district , appointed by the shareholders of the district

      Now , this addition to the Land Plan will prevent ths necessity of disposing _^ of allotments , and will throw those who would other- i wise purchase allotments into the Land Purchase Department , a subject which I shall full y illustrate for you in the next number of the ' Northern Star / and more fully in the next number of the * Labourer , * which I mean to devote _exclusively to a clear and lucid explanation of the several departments , their connection with each other , and their probable workings as a whole . 1 dare say you will dedve no little gratification from the

      announcement , that the Manchester mechanics have deposited £ 620 of tbeir funds in theNational Land and Labour Bank , and tbat many other societies are about to follow their wise and patriotic example ; and to them , as to all others , I shall -only say , not that I may perish , or that my right hand may fall from my body , or that my tongue may cease to wag , if I deceive them ; hut I do say—that I am not a p leasure man , a drinking- man , a drunken , a gluttonous , or a luxurious man , and if they have not twenty

      shillings in the pound , and four per cent , interest for their money , I must baa robbing man , as I am resolved that not a farthing shall be speculated with , except for the defined and stipulated purpose . _* I told yoa what I repeat now , that I have not enough to dojltellfyou , that , with the assistance of my brother directors , we vriU , in addition to the duties incumbent upon the Land Flan , manage the Insurance Department and the Loan Department , and that we will da it all better than if we had onl y one

      department . When we were poor , it was onr custom to announce a ballot , in order to procure funds to purchase Land ; but mayhap you will now _& e astonished when I inform yon that we have How purchased over 300 acres of land , NOT YET BALLOTTED FOR , and over and above what we are responsible for to those _jrfco havej been ballotted , and that a further _Fallot , for a much larger number than have been balloted for yet , will take p lace on the 2 _& h of Octoher . You will understand that _^ money coming into the hank , between this and then , will be placed to the credit of the members of the first section , whose land is low the legitimate security for ( be money _de-PoatedintheBank .

      . * jj ° not think I have much more * ° aad , having rtolen the time allowed jor dinner to the writing this letter , oeyond the announcement , that I shall

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      _~* _+- _ _rj- _ r _ . _** w )* " r " " r — * ¦— j ' _TBeXfANSTRii'ION ON TnE . PEOPLE'S SE-1 I COND EST ATL ,. LOWBANDS , W 011 CESj TESISHIEE . v " . _- _^ S :, . ! ' _ThuJfoinbnstriuon cam a off aa _Mc ? . da _* _, August loth . S' . _iti' _1-ay , tbr day _previous , io ,- . nu numerous individuals gratifying thenis _* _* - ' . _wi « view fas this 'Working Man ' s home . ' _Itsiastefnl gates , swinging from stone piers at the several entrances , and beautital crescents , ef forty-five stone-built cottages , and out-houses , and tbe splendid school , were the theme of unmixed admiration . It was quite refreshing to witness the magnificent crops of wheat , barter , & c , -with which the neighbourhood abounds . Mr

      O'Connor has a quantity of cows grazing on the meadow land , whicii won the wonder of all—whilst his specimen monster meat , and model potatoes , excel * ling in size , quality , and quantity , any we ever saw , proved universally attractive . Mr O'Connor , who is called * the Squire , ' appears to be tbe 'admired of all admirer . " , ' bj . the poor and shopkeepers for miles around , whilst the * small _gentty , ' with whom it was onr lot to come in contact , all appeared to have the greatest dread of O'Connor , the Charter , and the Small Farm System , and sneeringly asked ifthe Chartists were coming on Monday * to bave a good spree , " and get jolly drank ? ' and appeared quite

      _astennded when we told them tbatthe Chartists were a sober , reflecting people , aad that many of them were total abstainers of longstanding ; and were literally petrified when we shewed them that the working classes were the mainstay of the State , and of far more importance than the aristocracy—snd that it was the purpose ofthe Chartists , in building th ? se' home colonies , ' to obtain a legitimate influence by the exercise of the franchise . Monday morning arrived , and we fonnd people flocking in from all parts , some having travelled over fifty miles ; vans , waggons , carts , chaises , and the rail , having each contributed their quota of anxious

      inspectors and admirers of the People s Second Estate . But the elements appeared to have conspired against the good came , for the weather , which _hadtoen peculiarly fine on the previous day , now became hazy ; tbe Malvern Hills , wbich rise in the distance , were capped with a thick mist , and at nine o ' clock the rain came pelting down , and continued so to do _nntil five o ' clock in theafternoon . thus destroying the _brisht hopes and pleasant prospects of the pleasure seekers and visitors , notwithstanding which thousands gratified their curiosity by narrowly inspecting the Cottages , School , & c . A hustings had

      been erected , and at three o ' olock , notwithstanding the poHring . pelting rain , vast numbers gathered round the platform . The leading men having consulted with Mr . O'Connor , concluded that it would be an act of cruelty to keep the people standing listening to speeches under snch circumstances . Mr . T . Cubes , therefore , in a few words , announced this decision to the meeting , who gave three loud and long cheers for the Charter and the Land , and retired . Shortly after five o ' clock , the rain having cleared off , we found Mr . _O'Cosssit in the act of addressing a multitude ef people from the hustings : —

      He congratulated them on their improved intellect _, and their improved position ; they now constituted a 656 th part of the House af Commons , and their principles would be now proclaimed , _trumpet-tongued , to the whole world . ( Great applause . ) Their good humour was a proof that they knew how to bear with disappointment . ( Hear , hear . ) What would he not have given for such a day as yesterday . _( _Chee" _- ) The _^ S _^ they were too ignorant , but had they built any places like that ( pointing to the school ; in which to enlig hten the people ? ( Loud cheers . ) This was the memorable 16 th of August ; he dared say there were some present who remembered it as a bloody day on tbe ensanguined field of Peterloo . He should like to see the

      Yeomanry that wonld venture here , even with the Duke of Wellington or that other Field-Marshal at their bead . ( Great cheering . ) He could understand what poverty and famine was , if , wheu they hungered , a dish or two also disappeared from ibe table of the Queen . ( Hear , hear . ) He bad recently stood on a platform with a Queen ' s Minister , and triumphed over him . ( Loud cbeers . ) That Minister said , if he saw his ( Mr O'Connor ' s ) principles right he would adopt them , but he ( Mr O'Connor ) told him that he was his pupil—he , therefore , recommended him to go back and re-adopt his own old princip les . ( Loud cheers . ) In the new

      Parliament would be fonnd about one hundred railway directors , & c , who would act on the p rinci ple scratch me , and I will scratch you —( Laughter)—but he had determined that , however much he might scratch them , none of tbem should scratch him . ( Renewed laughter . ) True , Walpole said , that every man had his price , and he ( Mr O'Connor ) had his—it was Universal Suffrage , Vote by Ballot , Annual Parliaments , Equal Electoral _Districts , Payment of Members , No Property Qualification , and a Homestead for the Working Man . ( Immense cheering . ) It was said the working classes were immoral , but this he knew , that the middle classes conld not

      assemble together for two hours , without black eyes and bloody noses—but where was the drunken man to be seen amongst them ? ( Great applause . ) He thought men that were sent to Parliament should be men wbo bad graduated amongst themmen wbo understood the science of cottage not political economy . ( Lond cheers ;) Although this wet day had disappointed many , there was one gratifying circumstances with it , —whilst the visitors would go home disappointed , the allottees' potatoes ' would be much more numerous , and of much greater weig ht . ( Cheers . ) He had very great _pleasureinsuperintending this estate , and he should shortly hare the

      p leasure of converting the estate of a dissipated nobleman , into residences for industrious working men . ( Loud cheers . ) It was his lot to pay off that debts , and tbe people ' s lot , by their sobriety and economy , to find the money , and enjoy the produce arising from the possession of such estates . ( Loud cheers . ) He had commenced with the blistered bands , and with thera he would fight the battle to the end . Mr O'Connor retired amidst three times three hearty cheers . Mr Samuel Kydd then cam ? forward , loudly applauded , and said he , like other young men , bad very stupidly endeavoured to get knowledge out of books alone , but this was a new era , and he now commenced with nature , and his mother earth . Men , from the bleak north to the sunny couth , had

      now began to ask , 'Am I a man V ( Loud cheera . ) I He thought no man need blush to own that he was a Chartist , for out ofthe political movement had arisen this great Land Movement , and the trades- ' men and gentry should rejoice at it ; aa it must have the effect of saving the country from war , and bloodshed , and their desolating and degrading consequences . Tet the Chartists have been , told that they want to take everything from everybody , and to give nothing to nobody . ( Hear , hear . ) The producing classes ha < _2 been cruelly used , bnt they did not wish to retaliate , _( hear , hear , ) but they would go on buying _Iiftnd , and building cottages , and every cottager won _' . d represent a voter , and _tbua would they obtain tbe legislative power of redressing their grievances ! ( Loud cheers . ) It had been said by tbeir opponents , that _tf » e working elms were idle ,

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      but those'Home Colonies' showed that they were quite-willing to labour , _nrovidaTthe products of their labour were applied to their own support . ( Loud cbeers . ) They had been told that he ha * been elected member for Gl _^ enwich — true , he bad been morally elected" by the great majority , but Admiral I ) onda 3 had 'been _! _eleated by the minority , yet , Admiral Dundas , was declared dul ) elected , and he , ( Mr Kydd . ) not so . ( Hear , hear , hear . ) But there was one man whose election had puzzled most newspaper writers—fie . referred to Mr O'Connor , ( great applause , ) whom they , tke newspapers , all called upon to give up his mad schemes , and become a _aober politician . He ( Mr Kydd ; contended that . he had . always been a sober politician . Had be not'j when ' in the House , supported the case of tbe Glasgow cotton spinners , and

      the Dorchester labourers , ( loud cbeers ;) and did he not aid Mr John Bel ) , who was prosecuted for writing an excellent article in * questionable newspaper . ( Hear , hear . ) He could tell Mr O'Connor , that cooperation was destined to do much mere than buy land and bnild houses ; the people would soon possess workshops , & c , not to rob the employer , but to enrich themselres . ( Immense cheering . ) Tfiia was a new era—a glorious era—in which the _prido and glory of England would be admitted to consist , not in bayonets or blood-horses , but in the comfort , proapent' and happiness of hurBons . Mr Kydd resumed Ins _sc-. t , loudly applauded . Mi- Wild , of Mottram , _alsp _abl _£ _addressed lite ¦ mc _? v-v . _V . recommetiditv 5 the _' _ycS'fi g women ''" preoent BWrti : to _take _' _irtsbawiS until _ttc mau _becauw a Cbaflist .

      T . - . _is concluded the publio meeting . _E . ibert Owen , the great philanthropist , wns present , accompanied by Mr _Allaop , and several other friends , aii of whom " appeared to takea Iheiy interest in tbe proceedings of the day . The people _ihec quietly separated . _XTl » _ t I il | H 0 _W _^^^^ _M j | l j j I I ¦ »

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      have much pleasure in attending the camp meeting at Newton in the Willows , on Sun _Wu ' Wben , in * _$ ! to 8 everaI applicants , I shall be ready and willing to receive in person all the monies they express a wish to pay info my own hands . Now , my friends , let me again impress upon yoa the novelty of sixty delegates meeting in a rural district , in their own honse ; to transact their own business —and the faet ; but not tbe rioveltv , that there is not herea single GENTLEMAN from the _INDEPENDENT press of ENGLAND to report our proceedings—but , console yourselves , as I do ; WE'LL BEAT THE PRESS OF THE FACTIONS , and crush the monster Tyranny , by the legitimate power , of «

      THE PEOPLE . Ever your faithful friend and bailiff , _Fkargos O'Connor . Lowbands . P . S . —As a matter of course , no parties will expect a complete announcement of monies this week , a * only ? ums received at the office could be _acknbw' _eii _^ d : _—a ! i wili _aspcir in next week ' s Star-F . O'C

      Conference Of The National Land Compant....

      CONFERENCE OF THE NATIONAL LAND COMPANT . . This body assembled on the People ' s Second Estate , Lowbands , Worcestershire , in the splendid school-room , erected in the centre of that beautiful spot , on Monday morning , August 16 th . Mr James Sweet , of Nottingham , was for tbe second time unanimously elected president of the Conference . The following persons handed in their names aa delegates : — Henry Smith Stockport Isaac _Danson Manchester James Taylor Ashton Joseph Rogers Manchester

      Thomas Raskin Do . William Foster Do . Daniel Donovan Do . John Sutton Do . Jobn Nuttal Do . William Dixon . Do . Nicholas Canning Wigan Jeremiah Yates Potteries John Warren Stockport Thomas Webb Do . Thomas Saunders Brighton George Stephens Hull Robert Wild Derby Geoige Humphries Somers To Wfl T . M , Jenkins Ashton

      James Saunders Radford Benjamin Deuse Nottingham James Sweet Do . Thomas Tattersali Bolton Ralph _Entwistle Blackburn Robert'Kidd Dundee Zachariah Astill Leicester Edward Lawless Warrington Henry Haines Sunderland James Hoyle Manchester William Stark Do . David llise Morgan Merthyr William Munday Northampton William Jones Leicester

      Jobn _Gleddill Huddersfield John Jones Bolton Samuel , Kydd Surrey Duncan Sherrington Glasgow Charles Willis . Rochester John Hornby O'Connorville James Grassby Westminster JohnBaswell Banbury Jobn Smith Bradford Benjamin Barber Do . Jobn Grey Blackburn George Rice Newton Abbott Anthony _Armsiead Blackburn The credentials were next read .

      Mr Samuel Ktdd moved— ' That the Conference meet at naif-past nine , adjourn at one for dinner , at half-past two resume , and sit _^ until six , ' which was seconded , and carried unanimously . It was also resolved , after considerable discussion , on the motion of Mr Ras & is— ' That each mover of a motion have five minutes to open his motion , and five to reply ; also that each speaker who may address the Conference , shall be allowed fire minutes for that purpose . ' On the motion of Mr S . Ktdd , it was resolved—• That the directors be allowed to speak on any motion , but not to vote . '

      On the motion of Mr Ra _» kih , it was likewise resolved—* Tbat a committee of seven be appointed te investigate and report on disputed elections , ' Mr J . Edwards then took his seat , as delegate for Newton Abbott , as did also Mr J .. Harding for Worcester Messrs S . Kydd , Wild , Tattersali , Grassby , Sherrington , Smith , and Gleddill , were tben appointed members ofthe Election Committee . Mr John Hornby , having presented himself as a delegate for O'Connorville , MrT . Clare said , the O'Connorville Estate was not a district , but a portion of the Banbury district , hence he was bound to enter his protest against Mr Hornby ' s election . It was resolved— ' That the subject be referred to the Election Committee . '

      Mr John Lord was appointed doorkeeper to the Conference , and Mr Stephen Clark , _messenger . On the motion of Mr Harding , it was resolved—1 That the decision of the Election Committee shall be final . ' On the motion of Messrs Smith and Barber , it was resolved— ' That any member desirous of moving for an alteration in the existing rules of the Company , shall give notice of bringing forward the motion two hours prior to the introduction of the same , through the President . '

      Mr M'Grath stated that tbe programme of business was printed ia the Company ' s organ , the Northern Star and was _conseqaently well known to all , and suggested the propriety of reading the instructions from the delegates , which having been assented to , Mr SMiTH _. of Stockport , said that district was desirous of having the power of regulating the salaries of district officers , without the interference of the Directors . ¦ Mr Webb confirmed the statement . Mr Dawsos said he was instructed to support the programme as issued by the Directors . Mr Dawson , of Manchester , said he was instructed to move that the numbers of fortunate shareholders and their residence shonld be published in the Northern star , in lieu of their names as heretofore . On the motion of Messrs Nomixand _Surios , it waa resolved— ' Thatthe Conference do adjourn nntil Tuesday morning . ' _Sscosn Day . —Tobbdat , August 11 .

      The Conference resumed its sitting at half-past nine o clock . The several delegates having answered to their names , the following persens took their seats : — Joseph Hewitt Leeds Robert Burrell Greenock William Leach Cheltenham John Towns Bradford Frank Mirfield Sheffield J . A . Fussell Birmingham John Chance Stourbridge John Shaw Tower Hamlets Benjamin Rushton Huddersfield Charles Rebbeck Bristol

      On the motion of Mr _O'Cossoa , the report of the Committee was received . On the motion of Messrs O'Comsor and Yates , it was resolved— ' That the four members he allowed to remain and speak on motions , but not to vote . ' Mr _O'Cosaoa then rose te submit the programme , and stated that he had brought bis receipts , down to Saturday _laai ; and io his balance _atot the am

      Joseph Linney Bilston Mr Robebt _Kiod moved , seconded by Mr Bosbeu-— 'That the present standing order relative to the time ot meeting be rescinded , and that we meet for business at eight , and continue the Bitting , with one hour ' s intermission , until seven in the evening , lae motion , after considerable discussion , was lost . The Election Committee then reported— ' lhat Mr Canning should Bit as a delegate . ' That Mr Hornby cannot be considered a delegate for O'Connorville . ' _, . , That thesis delegates from Manchester be allowed to take their seats , and that the other four have their expenses to return back again immediately . ' ' That Joseph Dawson do sit for Salford . '

      Conference Of The National Land Compant....

      _ihXLJl ? V * ? _- eeBt tb 8 t a finaneia ! eommittee _gsmt _} _2 _^ . V _^^ _--m 3 _, The following persons wereelected :-J . A . Fussell _^ i ™„ r _» f „ n _*^ { ul , j r set forth in _the- £ abeurer , wi _? Z e _llj _* _- an he _cooM'now set it forth . He J ? - _iST ° _^ of co « _ncil on the subject , and _S _*^ r _^ _K t _^ _ft _conclusion- that tbe hank aftould j Iw _« r 000 _*! 0 ? 1 , _W management of one man , and that the Land- shall be the security _tofihedepo _! _sitprsi The Redemption Fund would be an additional security . He proposed that a _thorough !* _« im _« of «« *

      fersoB should be appointed to fHl tho " office of Bank tireetor , and that he- have £ 480 _'per annum as remuneration ; for , ba it remembered ,, tbey must-bave a person who has served an apprenticeship ) to-the Banking system . His conviction was that for eacb £ 10 , 080- worth of land , they _shouldraise ten thousand pounds , and thus would they be enabled to carry on their operations ; and , be it remembered , that the labour on the estates was continually increasing the value , of the security offered for 4 he & _10 , 0 _<) 0 \ Days would be set apart for receiving deposits , on whicii dAys he _weuld be in town to _receive them _* _and'voald take . care tbatthe ;/ sliould bt ) placed ! at _interest'immediately , and ever _; _yesr -tse / _. _wsl _& _bave a _balance sheet of tha Banking _^ _.. _Attofo , thesRiiie as-ho-now _tiu'd ofthe Land accounts .

      - " _ivrt' _^ . _-. Cj _x _' . _wv-wrshied _theContwaneoto un _& wtand that the directors could not _Jega-lly carry on the Bank themselves , and therefore Mr © _'Conner would be the banker , and ihey _wmld transact business with him , on the same principle ns with asy Other bankers . Mr _DonovtM wished to understand how a rant charge could be made available security . Mr O'Connor explained that a rent charge was looked on by the law as the best security . Mr Kaishn wished to know how it would be when an allottee bad paid up his redemption money and received bis cottage and land . . Mr O'Connor explained that the banker would only have to pay out an equal amount of stock . Sir Harding _thought it would be necessary to cause depositors to give longer notice , before tbey should be allowed to withdraw their deposits .

      Mr Burrell differed with Mr O'Connor . He did not see the necessity ofthe Bank being managed by one person , he could not see why it shonld not be conducted by a Board of Directors , something like the National Land Company , although a separate board from that Company . Mr B . named the Greenock Bank as an illustration of his arguments , and suggested the propriety of having agents in Manchester , and other large towns ; tbat they should be men well qualified for the purpose , and that they should be amply remunerated for their services . He

      would therefore move— 'That a committee should be appointed to consider the Bank question . ' Mr O'Connor thought district Banks were out of the question , and he would not be responsible for any money except such as came through bis own hands , and the number of paid officers required , would swallow up more than the interest on the deposits received . Tbe laws relating to Banking in Scotland were different to those in England ; again , he repeated , he would only be responsible for money received by himself .

      Mr Dixon : Bnt you mean , surely , to allow persons iu Manchester aud other parts to receive monies and forward it ? _MrO'CoMfoa : Undoubtedly . Mr Babber said , in Norwich they had trustees already appointed for the purpose , who transferred the money to the Bank in London , and furnished them with a receipt in return . Mr Smith said the London Bank was satisfactory to his constituents . Mr E . _xiwjsTLE thought one Bank the most acceptable to tbe country . Mr John Shaw said , his constituents bad instructed him to vote for a National Bank at once . He perfectly agreed that the expense of local Banks would be ruinous , Mr _TATLonsaid , in Ashton they bad a secretary and treasurer , in whom they had confidence , in and through whom they were perfectly satisfied to remit their cash .

      Mr Sherrington said , he thought printed instructions should be issued , setting forth how the money wag to be transmitted , the interest it would bear , the notice required for withdrawal of deposits , die . Mr O'Connor said , should ever the property change hands the security _woald be equally the same ; the Bank could not be carried on by directors , because , if the Company established a Bank they would be entitled to the profits , whereas he , as an individual , was not bound to do so , but cou'd give the advantages to the Company . Mr A . Fussell moved , — 'ThatMr O'Connor be hereby requested to carry out the _Bankimmediately , and that we proceed to arrange the amount of interest , die ., and that Mr O'Connor be the banker . ' Mr Linnet seconded the motion .

      Mr Dosonx said , be understood tbe allottees were not rent payers , but interest payers , and hence he wished to know how they could be rendered security . Mr O'Connor said , he bad already answered the question , and could only repeat that answer ; namely , — ' That the law held it as the highest security . ' Mr Wild said , a very large sum had already been received , and he suggested that the monies should be received precisely the same way as the funds were for the National Land Company ., Mr Rankin said , it was his duty to understand tbe orinciplea of the Banking System . He wished to

      know if a second sum could be raised ? Mr O'Connor said Mr Rankin had been led into an error , as to the position held by the occupants , and hence bis data were unfounded . Mr O'Connor said , lie had just received a letter from the Steam Engine Makers of Manchester , in whioh they / announced their determination to withdraw their money ( £ 600 ) from Sir B , Qey wood ' s Bank , and transfer it t » the National Land and Labour Bank . ( The letter was greeted with loud cheers . ) Mr Tattkrsall wished to know , it Mr O'Connor was banker , whether he would be the servant of the Company , and if he could be compelled to give an annual account ?

      Mr _O'Connor said , he had already stated ho was not bound to render an annual account , but he would do so . Mr Whbeler thought the resolution before the Conference quite uncalled for , as , if Mr O'Connor was sole banker , of course he would make all the arrangements for conducting it . Mr Suitu moved , — * That this Conference recommend tbe country to deposit their funds in the National Land and Labour Bank . ' Mr Dixon seconded the motion . Mr Robert Kids thought , as the Bank wa 3 to be Mr O'Connor ' s , we had no business to go into the details for conducting the same . Mr Burrell thought that the best mode would be to have a Committee , out of which the Bank System Bhould be formed . Mr John Chance thought that the question was simply—Was Mr O'Connor approved ol 1

      Mr Whsmkr said , he thought , that , as it was the property of the Land Company on which the money was raised , that Mr Burrell was quite right , and that , under those circumstances , the delegates had to do Mr Donovan supported the amendment , Mr _Hotlb said , he would move an amendment , — That the Trustees be instructed to hand over the property as security to the depositors in the National Land and Labour Bank . ' . Mr O'Connob explained tbat this was impossible . The resolution moved by Mr Smith was then unanimously adopted , and Mr Fussell ' _a motion was _adooted as a rider , with the exception of the

      appointment ef Mr O'Connor as a Banker . The next question on the programme was the Land Purchase Department . Mr O'Connor said , he thought the objections urged against it most frivolous , as it was well known that they could get things cheaper in the wholesale market than in the retail ; and as the person so buying would pay an interest of five per cent , and two pounds ten towards completing the conveyance , it must be au advantage to the Company , and facilitate our operations , as without money they could not ontain Land , and by each purchaser they wonld receive a bonus of £ 210 s . independent of the five per cent _, interest , and the moaey whioh he reeewed as benefit by dealing in the wholesale market . _urauiW

      Uj „ . „„„ . am DTmmTMfl "' _AFTERNOON SITTINGMr Sweht resumed the chair , at halt-past two o ' clock . ThedisousBion of the Land Purchase _Denartment waa then proceeded with . ¦ Mr T . Cubk said , he agreed with the motion sub-1 mitted , having studied it , and was _oonvineedit would brine . _largesums to the Company's funds , and _. If the middle class should oome to reside , they would become acquainted with tbeir principles . Mr _MAsriK Juok said , his constituents were of _opi . _nionthat there should be a limit to the Land puroh MrSTBVBNssaid , hia _wnstttuentawewta favour of ten per cent .

      Conference Of The National Land Compant....

      \ 1 mWm ___ m- mm _* mmmmmmm ** mmm ** m ** m _ Wm —m ** mm _ mV mm \ mm __* _t _*\\ Mr _Hardino moved—' That members of the Land Purchase Department be admitted , upon condition that they take their allotments- as apportioned by a ballot for their location , in common witb members of the Nation ?? Land Company , _sn & jecfc to the under * standing tbat the Company will give them their superinfcend ' _aneeto the building of their houses , and give them the- benefits of their wholesale building materials- ' Mr _O ' _Connsrc seconded the metinn . He did not think this- chaa would amount to more than one in seven ; and would not be gentlemen , but simply mechanics- who * had saved money from their own labour , and as bo- the-several allotments , tbey would be rented at tbeirvalae , and the rents being equalised the allotments- were all _equally valuable . It would entail a deal of unnecessary labour on him , and bejinjust to the parties named _therein .

      Mr Ranms _supported the views _laifidownby Mr O'Connor , and said bis prejudices were now _dissipatedi / : Mr B ( _jbrbll . moved— - 'That they enter on the same terms as the members , having Iheir allotments within twelve months from the time they Sad paid their money- ' ' Mr 0 _'Conns-u .- said ,. _ttfw law would not adroit of the resolution moved ' by Mr Burrell . Mr _Whkiimhi said , be was entirely wi favour ofthe La-ad _Purcliasa _Bcpavtsient , and thwght it would prove one of the _maicatnys pf the _CoMpany _^ M _^; _, _! : _WfihiRti thought ii _indtepcnsabie _. tktWM & M of such . nftr , ti _««^? _. j w - v " ' ' ' " ie , i . ; _''' ' •••' , ' ,, -Mr M ' titike wished to know , _lfajiensori who had paid up £ !> , 4 s . for a _ftiw-acre share , would be allowed that in the amount _temigbt pay inte _«& e L & _nd Purchase Department . Mr O'Cokmos i- 2 _fc > _, <; ertr , inly aot ;; but he conld dispose of bin share easily enongh .

      Mr Mukbiix _:-. _Suppose land were purchased , and the _members ballotted tor tbat land , would the members ofthis Purchase Department step in to their injury ? Mr _O'CossoBi No ; their money must be paid in prior to any purchase being made in their name .. Mr Linnet said , his eonstitnents were opposed to it , on the ground tbat they wonld sot be Chartist votes . ' - * Mr _^ Conk or asked , were the present holders of land Chartist voters ? Mr Doyle said , he thought tbey would have a better opportunity of becoming Cbartists by mixing amongst the Chartists , and certainly the profits arising from their purchases , would enable the Company to make more Chartist voters . Mr Humphries said , this question had been mueb discussed in Scmers Town , and they thought it would be raising a middle _clmlparly .

      Mr Donovan _thought tbe matter should be left entirely with Mr O'Coknor . Mr Fussell thought , if it was left entirely with Mr O'Connor , it would not give satisfaction . Mr Harding ' s resolution was carried by a considerable majority . The next subject was' the School '—as to tbe time the schoolmasters and mistresses should be appointed , and tbe terms they should hold the schools on . Mr _CiARi moved— . 'That the rent should be the same as that payed by the other allottees / Mr Sherrington seconded tbe motion . Mr Whbeler said , he did not think tbe Confer * ence could decide on the sum which the schoolmaster or mistress should charge for each pupil , and hence the rent should be the same for the land , and the house rent free .

      Mr Hornby , from his experience at O'Connorville , agreed with the observation made by Mr Wheeler . He did net think it possible to get rents for the schools at tbe present time . Mr Webb did not think that high rents for schools could be obtained on any estate at the present moment . Mr Humphries said , be thought it was ridiculous to build fine school-houses , and then charge high rents , and keep both masters and scholars away ; hence , he was opposed to their paying the same rentt as other allottees .. Mr Smith thought the schoolmasters on _otr estatef had opportunities of haying boarders , which others had not .

      Mr Sm > wei , K . tdi > thought the schools should be looked at more in the light of mental profit—than pecuniary profit . He did not think any _schoolmasters would do much for the first twelve months ; school * did not generally get established under three yearsand parents would not send tneir children t _« a distance , when they could get good education at home . As to the appointment of masters and mistresses , be thought tbe allottees as well qualified as the direct ors ; hence , he thought the appointment should be invested in them , and that the master or _mistress should _havesixmonths ' noticetoquit . Mr O'Connor said this was impracticable , and never could be carried out ; the minority would be dissatisfied , and probably withdraw their children , and hence there would bo a schoolmaster and

      mistress oue month and none the other ; it wonld bt always going in and coming out . He had no hesitation in saying , tbat there would be boarders , and he thought those should pay who consumed tbe mentai food , and asfar as inquiring into tbe qualification went , he thought the directors had the best opportunity _ofjudging . Mr Sherrington said , he should be most happy to support the motion of Mr Kydd , as regarded the appointment of the schoolmaster and mistresses . Mr Wheeler moved : - ' That the expenses of tbe

      school , be charged on the general expense of the Estate . ' Which was seconded by Mr Wild , who said , he thought the whole company ought to pay for the erection of the schools , tbat the parties appointed should be respectable , and well qualified , so that they might not only be useful , but an honour to the Company . Mr Mirfielo said , he thought tbo occupants were much more able to pay * than many of the member ; of the Company , and in tbe course of two or three years would be in a far better condition .

      Mr Donovan said , the schools had been likened to a shop ; well , if a man bad mental food to sell , and there were none to buy , he bad better keep out oi the house , equally so it he could not sell at the price within the means of the people , and hence he was opposed to the charging of heavy rents and taxes . Mr Judb suggested the propriety of giving the schoolmasters and mistresses their ground fee , and that such teachers might obtain a portion of the government grant .

      Mr Bubbslz . would prefer tbat the directors sent a list of candidates to the allottees , and that they made choice from such list . . Mt- Clark said , he would not object to reducing the interest to four or _thi-ee-and-a-hall per cent ., which perhaps would obviate the objections made to his motion . Mr _Sherrinoton thought the interest ofthe Company should be the first looked to , and that none should pay bnt those who wero benefitted by the schools .

      Mr O'Connor thought no schoolmaster or mistress should walk ia without paying a rental . He recommended the Conference to avoid patronage , or it would lead to the destruction of the funds of tho Company . Mr Shaw said , he was desirous that the schoolmasters and mistresses should be enabled to do their duty—and he did not wish to impose taxes—but he much feared that any of the Company ' s colonies would not for some considerable time be enabled to pay for . tho masters and mistresses . He suggested the propriety of a fund of one penny per share per annum , to meet tbe demand .

      Mr Henri Smith thought it quite impracticable for the schools to be self-supporting at first . He should like to know tho cost of a school like this . _MrO'CoKxon : £ 300 . Mr _Hoylb said , he paid at the rate of threepence per week each for educating his children ; now there were forty-five families on this estate , and thut would realise a tolerable Bum , independent of what ho made by his Land , and hence he thought the master could pay . Mr O'Connor thought a master would be well _aile to pay ; however , he Bad no oljjection to support the motion for reducing tbe interest on the school property to four per cent . Mr Wjbbb did not think the school house _shaald be the property of the master , but of tho allottees , so

      that the allottees could bold meetings when they required . Mr Rankin said , ho did not think the _ejection of Mr . Webb to be a valid one ; they must settle tba question in such a way as would not bs _injurious to those who were not yet allocated . _Hq did not _tiank it was right to tax a man who had no children , for the education of others . Mr _Shbrrinoiox thought it quite easy to wake ar _rangementa for the use of the school room at seasonable hours * Look at what an outcry bad been made against the support of religious institutions from which they derived no benefit . _« _TMr M _* rtw Judk thought the whole of the members should support the schools .

      Mr Whbeler _said _. they muBt recollect that it would require a man and woman—and he would remind them oi the utter impossibility of that mar . and woman having & moment to attend to the land . " they attended to the cultivation of the mind _3 of the children .

      Conference Of The National Land Compant....

      Mr O'Connor said , it would beiniBMSlble tbatth _planslaid down by _Mesns Jude , _Wheelerjand'Webb , could be carried out . He would be bound to _. find them a good tenant tbat never would be _backward , that would pay £ 24 per annum . Mr Munday suggested that the masters and mis * _treses might be in some _measure paid in the child * ren ' s labour on their land . Mr Babber thought tbe master would be placed bt a proud position _^ He would have nn excellent oppor * tunity of making thirteen shillings per week , after his rent was paid ; besides the profits realised froni hiBland . .....

      I After a few words from Mr Fussell , Mr . Wnuua isaid there were doubts whether the _allotteeB would send their children to the schools ; they might , for the first six _months be too poet to pay for tbem—and ; hence he would _saggest the masters andmistresMff ishould live rent free for that time . , I Mr Nviuih did not think the _oceapant a o f either | O'Connorville or Lowbands would be enabled to 'aiford schooling lor tbeir children , fov tbe first jtweive months , and hence it would t » well if they made some provision for that period ; aftertfeat , hd thought the occupant * might be enabled' tO ' _SBpporfr their own schools . \

      Mr O'Connob said , if any d 5 d not send * their chif' dren it would be not _Became they could not do- so , oat because they would' not . He _believed were' ibe sehool opened here , it would fee full of _children . Mr John Shaw r He- had no doubt tie peopte were thankful for what they had'done fir them , , but they had not Saturday nights yet , to pay for the education of their children . _KvIWasET said , he thought tho master might ) be _» paid in a measure in kind ; but , at the same-time , he £ iad no objection to give him the first year rent free . _AHc-Harding agreed that the _sshool-house should be rent free for the firstr year , and tie land or garden only to be paid for- .. Mr _fjMBs _' s motion _imfavour of four per _cej _.-t . _wasnarrml .

      Oa ' the motion of Messrs . _DoKOMn ' and Dixosp _, ' it was agreed-- ' That the schoolmasters shall have- ' , the ' _sehool-rooms . at O'fionnorviSIc and _Rulniarloy , _renfr free , for tbe _fiint f _welye rmmt ' os ; . but ihat thej ? pay _&» r per cent , tor the lurid ihey hold . ' < _tf . _'tirf-Coafwenoe _tbe _^ _ndionnwdi ' - 'IhrhD'D . tY _.--ify > im ! _iJuv _; ' _Ai-imjje IS . ' air Utitr _. ca x > _snv'i _rt' 3 U : _aeU the _l-siu-ir ai _imu-j .- ; . ?« _isi nine o ' clock . MfGftAs & _sr , on behalfof the Election Coiu » uittee _> reported lhat they h && _decided— ' That Mr Barbep be received as the iJdegate for _Norwich ; : Messrs Ru 3 htonaud Buckley for Halifax ; Mr Morgan for Merthyr Tydvil ; Mr ieach lor Stourbridge ; and Mr Manday / or Northampton . ' The report was received .

      Mr Samujsi _& Ktdd . then rose , fop the purpose of bringing forward bis resolution relative to the schools , as follows : — 'Tbat the allottees have the power ta elect and remove the schoolmasters ; . that the _schoolmaster be liable to be removed at six months' notice * | upon a requisition to-that effect , signed by a majority joi tbe allottees , and presented to the directors ; tho I directors to examine _all'candidates for the situation of ' _, 8 choolm & ster , and report | tbereon to tbe allottees ; that j the report of the directors , and names of the candk ; dates , be transmitted to the allottees one month pre * vious to the day of eleotion . ' Mr Kydd waived hia : ; right to speak , and contented himself by moving theresolution . ' ¦ Mr Duncan _Sssbblnoion seconded the motion , observing that bis constituents were unanimously ia favour of the principle contained therein .

      Mr T . Cusx meved , as an amendment , tbe resolution of last Conference , as follows;— ' Schoolmasters for the locations shall be appointed by the Board o £ Directors . Every schoolmaster shall be liable to bo removed at six months' notice , upon a requisition t » that effect signed by two thirds ef the allottees , and presented by them to thedireotors . ' He thought , a » the pupils would not be all children of allottees , the best mode would be for the directors to appoint , and the allottees to remove , if occasion required . Mr Donovan seconded tbe amendment , and said , that as the Company bad taken on themselves to build the schoel , so should they bave , through the directors , the means of appointment . He thought

      the original resolution , tho directors first selecting a list , and the allottees choosing from thai list , would be an insult to the allottees ; and he thought the directors best _qualified for the appointment of such officers , seeing they-would have the opportunity of inquiring into the mora ) , as well as the mental capacity of the several candidates . Mr T . M . Wheeler said , were the school the property of the allottee ? , he would have supported Mr Kydd ' s motion , but as the school was the property of the Company , they should appoint the schoolmasters ; and another reason was , that at O'Connorvil . _' e there were twenty applicants for the appointment of schoolmaster , not one of whom was known to the al' ottees .

      Mr Burrell said , on principle he was bound to support the motion of Mr Kydd . He denied that the _sohools were tho property of the Come-any , as the schoolmaster would have to pay the rent , such rents coming from the pocket ; of the allottees tor the instruction received by their children ; and as such , tbe allottees were the best calculated for appointing : such persons . Mr O'Coknor said , Mr Burrell thought that , wero the appointment vested in directors , it would lead them to give the patronage to their children and

      relatives , butthe directors had scarcely any childrenand he had no relatives he could desire to bestow patronage on . Again , the school was not the property of the allottees—but of the Company—and then , the sending a-list of candidates to' them _. for them to select from , would belike no election at all . and might be something like . Uor & e _Tooke'a basket o £ rotten apples , not a sound one amongst them . Mr Burreb's speech had thoroughly convinced him of the necessity of leaving thcappointment in the hands ofthe directors .

      Mr _SnEi-. _RiNGTON- . said , Mr Clark seemed to think that the school was the property of the Company , and tbat the allottees should have no control over it —but if they adopted this resolution , they would be 3 aying to the allottees— You are so bigotted , so ignorant , that . youare not fit to choose a schoolmaster , yet we will invest you with the right of electing a member of Parliament . ' He believed tbe resolution would give the allottees a choice , and , notwithstanding what Mr Donovan had said , there was something in personal appearance . A person suitable for a scholmaster should be of mild disposition , and of courteous bearing , or be would prove useless as a _teacher .

      Mr Robert Kids said , be was bound by his instructions , as well as from bia own feelings and convictions , to support Mr Samuel Kydd ' s motion . Mr Rankin said , he thought there was scarcely a man in this room but had advocated the right of the people to Universal Suffrage , and it did appear strange that they should be now told they were not ( it to choose a schoolmaster , feeling thus , he would support the original resolution . Mr Dixo . s said , he was sorry to oppose his friend , Mr Rankin . He could not think it Universal Suffrage to allow thirty-five men to elect for a Company of $ 0 , 000 . Again , the _rsliflous opinions ofth & allottees might be as various as the number of _the--cottages on the estate , and each would require a man of their own persuasion—whieh must lead to _heartburning _.

      Mr Webb said , theie was a difference of opinion : on the Bubject in Stockport—the majority was ia favour of the directors having the appointment , _andS hence , he would support that view . Mr Sasders wished the appointment to be left in , the hands of the Conference . Mr _IlARMsa said , he had held all along the principles laid down in the amendment of Mr Clark , ancfc his constituents were of the same opinion . Mr Jones ( Leicester ) said * he was convinced

      MrClark was ri » ht , and he should vote against bis con--stituents' wish , but he trusted to convince tbem of the sound policy of his vote on bis return . Mr _IIumfhuies said , he should support the motion of Mr Kydd , as he thought , were the residents of . _ono estate dissatisfied , it would go through the whola country , and , notwithstanding all that bad beea said , he believed tbat if the appointment were vested _, in the directors , it would lead to patronage . _H _& could not agree with Mr Dixon ' s reasoning on Universal Suffrage .

      Mr _Dawso . x wished the appointments invested ia , Mr O'Connor . Mr O Consor , I would aot _$ ake it . Mr Dawson moved a resolution _to . tbat _effsei _* which was seconded by Mr Shaw , who . said-he had made up his mind to _sa _^ ort the preposition , that , tie _direetors should appoint the schoolmasters . Mr _Gbassbs said , after the last _SJonferens _^ an ? angry discussion bad arisen in _Westminster _aatbisr subject . He would move an _amendment :. —' That _, thedireotors be allowed to select andreconuuend to the _alottees suitable persona to flU the oBice © £ schoolmaster , and that such scbochnasters be elected by ballot by tbe allottees , and that such _ssfeoolmaster be subject to removal by a vote of two . thirds of tha allottees , _sanctvoaed by the Board of Directors . ' Mr _AKjrsrsi _Osupported Mr-Clark ' s motion , as did also Mr Willis .

      Mr _JhkmhsssmI , _hewouM support _MrGrassbj ' a 'amendment . ' Mr Basbkr thought , in the present state of sectarianism , Mr Clark ' s wonld bo tbe preferable pro « position . . x . , . Mr Wild thought Mr Clark ' s was the best propo _* _sition , and hence he would give it his support . Mr _Numit _, had been in favour of Mr Kydd a mp tion , bat from tho reasonin _. ' he bad heard he should support Mr Clark ' s amendment . Mr Svttos thought tho allottees did not . sufficiently know oaoh other to make a good choice , and as tho rule only stood for twelve _mojatb _^' HO would support Mr Clark ' s amendment . _^ c .

      Mr _M'Gbatb said , there were but , two arguments against Mr Clark _' a motion , _patroitajKe , —and that it waa not democratio ; however , he tfceuaht _patrohaga _dis posedof ; but under Mr Kydd ' s resolution _patronag * could and would be used , as eq ? h would ba deaitous YCWta «« _l <• thi Fifth ' r $ jfi , J

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  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), Aug. 21, 1847, page 1, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/ns3_21081847/page/1/