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      February 19, 1848. The Northern Star. . ...

      February 19 , 1848 . THE NORTHERN STAR . . 7

      Gftitttfai Mn -Yonum .

      _Gftitttfai mn _-yonum _.

      France. - -The Espokm Hqtimekt Xxcitiko ...

      FRANCE . - -THE _ESPOKM _HQTIMEKT XXCITIKO _SGEJTES _ET UH

      CHAHBSB OF DEFDHB 5— GREAT AOITA _* nOK . The debate en the last paragraph ofthe address , _^ _n ich condemns the Reform dinners , produced on ¦ Wednesday a tremendous uproar . The intemperate Keeper of the Seals . M . Hebert , wis suffered to inveigh , at great length , against the banquets and their dangerous tendency , and to uph old the _gavernmant ' _s right to put a stop to them , in language ill-suited to the gravity of a Minister of Justice . A reply was _returned feyM . Feuilhnde-GhsuTin _, a member ef a high court of _juitiea : and a still abler one by M . Ledru Rollin , a Radical lawyer , both of them contending that the law of 1791 could . not be enforced under present _cironmsta-ncei . "These opinions so enraged M . Hebert . that he w . iuld

      _le-ascend the _tribuie , although MM . _Gu-zotand Duehatel seemed by their looks to implorehis silence . The Keeper of the Seals reiterated his arguments in support ofthe government ' s right , and , despite many _ananirry interraptioB . wratMuily said to the Oppo * fiition : — 'I repeat it , what you have hitherto done has been done despite the law , and yen shall do it no more . Such is onr will . ' The ministerial ma ' ority applauded , and the storm arose . M . Odillen Barrot cried : — Polignae and Peyronnet were more constitutional than you , ' and the whole Gauche stood up , repeating the same words , and uttering many _farmors offensive apostrophes We shall now quote one of the reports before us •— _« A tumulte mea vrimalle ensued . The Centres raised a _nurfenwif

      efnvmble ; the whole Gauche returned the most violent exclamations , and it was soon impossible to rlts tni _s tnsh anything amidst this extraordinary confusion of vociferations , stamping , and challenges offered and returned , in all directions-were to be seen _fighting attitudes , extended arms , men _standisg , £ sts raised , threatening accents , the whole _sceompsnied with , the _thundorins of human voices , the irritated and deafening noise of which shonk every part of the amphitheatre . ' During this part of the uproar , M . Hebert , the highest personage in French law / stood np pale , hisarm * crossed , fixing in a most warlike style M . Odillon Barrel _, who contemntHeuslr . but calmly , awaited the explosion of his wrath . The * Minister of Justice at length obtained some

      attention , and after bitterly complaining , of _havine been comDared with the Prince de _Polienac and Count de Peyronnet ; declared that he should execute tke law with severity against all such as should attempt to violate it . The clamour was _reviving , when M . Odillon Barrot , spurning the threat , maintained the justice of his ' apostrophe , " and said , 'I call on you to hear me , and to weieh well my words . Ministers of the _Revolution of July , yon violate a law respected even by the Restoration at the very moment of its fall . 1 tell yen that yon do not respect even what was respected by Polignae . He was here greeted by a still greater uproar , amidst which the _Chpasition retired , refusing to vote , and the sitting ofthe Chamber was tumultuously closed .

      __ On Thursday , although the commencement ofthe sitting appeared to promise a more calm consideration of the question than it received in the stormy discussions of the two previous days , ihe close was the most tumultuous that has been known in the Chamber since tie celebrated expulsion of M . Manuel , and the affair of the Abb _# _Gregoire . Exclusive of tie interest attached to great uproar and Violence , there was verv little worth recording in the discussion of Thursdav , with the exception of the sp : eche 3 of M . Guizot , M . Thiers , and M . Odillon Bsrrot—speeches whicii occupy bnt little space on paper , but which occupied a long time in the delivery , in consequence ef the continued interruptions and clamours of the members .

      On Friday the debate was resumed by M . Des-* moasaeau 3 de Givre who proposed a _' new amendment _, tending to omit altogether the offensive words " of blind and hostile passions , ' in the paragraph against the reform banquets . Count * de Moray folIoVso * , maintaining the right of the majority , to . . express an opinion in the addre 33 on acts which hid taken place in the interval between the sessions , particularly when they were of an unconstitutional character . M . deLamartine then ascended the tribune , and in a spirited piece of declamation maintain- d the perfect right of the _Opposition members as well as of all other citizens , to meet in reform _feanqjiets or elsewhere ,, to discus 3 such matters as might appear to them important . The two

      Chamber-:, He obEerved , were not to esercise a monopoly of discussion ; to meet peaceably and consider political question ? , was the inalienable right of all . 2 _* o doubt an agitation had taken place since the preceding session , but it wa 3 of a fair { honncte ) and salutary character , and in place of being branded with reprobation , ought to be enconrgaged . ' ( This declaration of , tho _Jionourahle deputy was reecived with thunders of . applause from the . Left , and the loudest possible marks of disapprobation from the Centres . ) Forsooth ,-he said , it was a great _phenomenon to find citizens coming together to _discsss the conduet of the government ! The country had been most patient , and it was net until the system of the revelation of July Sad been changed by the .

      _governinest , tbat the masses had stirred . Finding corruption rilVin aflthe _. Hinisterial ranks , they had at last met to consider what was to be done , and ttiey had done well . He concluded by warning the ministry that no government had ever used forcible means against their political adversaries , that it did not itself soon after soger for it 3 conduct M . Vitet , the reporter , then save some explanations as to the views of the eomm'ttee in-drawing up the paragraph . M . O . Barrot pretested most energetically _asainit the majority to judge the minority . M . F . de _Lssteyrie spoke against , and M , de Remusat advocated the right of the masses te meet . M . Duehatel , the Minister ot the Interior replied , and after a stormy discussion ; the division was taken : —

      Against the amendment 22 s For it ' 185 Majority for Ministers 43 Immediately afterwards there was a division upon the original clause as drawn up by the committee . Upon this _occasisn the Opposition abstained from _voting , and the numbers were—For the clause , 223 Against it IS Majority 205 In the second division the policy ofthe _Opposition in declining to vote was very nearly successful . By a rule of the French Chambers a vote is null unless

      an absolHte majority of the whole number of mem bers of whieh the Chamber is composed ( 45 S ) take part in the Tote . It is , therefore , necessary that 230 should vote ; but the whole ofthe Opposition members having withdrawn , there were only 223 Conservatives left who were willing to support the cabinet . Tke position-was an embarrassing' one ; but it was atlength gotover hy eighteen ofthe thirty _Conservatives who refused to vote in favour of the Ministry , consenting , at M . Guizot ' a special request , to vote against him . Not a single Opposition member voted ihthe second division , and thB whole ef those who took part in it , whether for or against the clause , were Conservatives .

      Oa Saturday the _diseussion opened with another amendment proposed by M . _SaJIandronze , expressive on the part of the Chamber of a desire that the government should be conducted in conformity with that spirit of reform . and progress which so peculiarly Characterises the present epoch . This amendment was supported by a considerable number ofthe Deputies of the Conservative party , but opposed by the government . The Chamber divided at half-past seven , when it appeared that the ministerial _maj _^ - rity had dwindled down to thir y-three . The total cumber sf deputies present was 411 . Of these 232 opposed , aud 159 supported the amendment . Thus ( seventeen votes ih a house of 411 would have turned the scale against tbe Government .

      The real interest of the debate was in the . speech Of M . Guiiot , whose explanation as to the course to be pursued by the . government was looked forward to with great interest ; The _substanee of his speech ¦ was as follows : He declared that for the present _sessien the government would do nothin g and that it would not holdout any promise fer the future . All that the government would do was this—it would use all its efforts to satisfy tbe Conservative partv ; and in tke interest ofthe Conservative party alone—for he cared for no other—he wonld _f _^ d ea-7 our to make a private . compromise with the

      different fractions of which that party is composed which would satisfy , all of them . . In order to satisfy , the Conservative reformers , he hinted that he might , _perhapB , carry reforms which he had hitherto opposed ; and after _makisg the equivocal promise that ¦ ' the question should be carefully examined during the present parliament , ' _hejconcluded by deolaring that if the arrangement among the . Conservatives , to which he previously alluded , were not successful , « the Cabinet would leaTa to others the care of presiding over the disorganisation ofthe party , and the ruin of its policy . ' . . ....

      The entire address wa 3 afterwards adopted by 2 il to 3 , the Op position having abstained from Toting . . -, . In the _Tihbs , of Monday , the Paris correspondent of that paper has the following . remarks : —* It is true that " up to the present moment the public—the lower ordew of the people especially—have taken _varv little interest in the alarming dcbateB of the last five days in the Chamber of Deputies , * but it must not be thence inferred that they are indifferent te what is passing . They have been told , and they feave brought their minds to the conclusion , that they

      have been defrauded of the fruits of the revolution . They deem talking on the subject puerile , and they bide their time . They wait with astonishing _sangfroid an apropos , or an accident , for _reeenstrueting the _government en Heaven knows what principle . The government is , on the other hand , preparedat least preparing—for this dernier _ressort . The detached forts so ardently longed for by the Court , are capable of being ic a few hours put into a condition to attain the end for which they have been created , namely , to prevent ingress to or egress from Parisor the actual bombardment of the pity ne . er wilj

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      take place _vmefer any circumstances . The govern _, ment is _mereover provided with a fine army in Paris —includinga corps d'elite , called the 'Municipal Guard , 'and the people are disarmed . Every barrack and military post has been for the last three days abundantly supplied with ball cartridge , _, To make head against such a force , and such " means would appear impossible . A portion of the National Guard mightconcur in an insurrection , hut could not stand against the army , if the army would ' act _suainBt them . The detached forts could , as I have said , if they bo intended for anything more than places of refuge , prevent ' the entrance of provisions into the capital , ami thus the malcontents of Paris would appear incapable of attacking the

      government with effect , and sure to be . reduced to obedienceby famine . Such , in the most favourable point of view , appears the position of tha government . An insurrection in the . face of such preparation Would he insanity , but very mad things are possible with this extraordinary people . [ The government seem determined , and appear to have the power to carry through with the strong hand , butthecontinuance of tranquillity will not depend upon the intimidation of the people . Never was there in this world a nation more reckless of _cansequences _. if onee excited , than the French . Accident might upset all the calculations and crumble into _atoas the whole fabric raised with so much labour by the government . The blow of a sabre given to a poor old man by the Prince

      de Lambescon the 12 th of July , 1789 , _caused—not the revolution , for that was inevitable—but the explosion of the inflammable matter so long pent . up , and . so abundantly accumulated . Another accident •—tho ordinances of Charles X ., thirty years later , revolutionised France once more . The actual government is strong in men , and arms , and stores . Is it beloved ? The people are , np to the present moment , indisposed to a new effort , and are disarmed . Are they incapable ? No ! If really on foot they would be again irresistible . What would produce such a result ? Any one of 10 , 000 possible accidents !' Tho Opposition , emboldened by their display of numbers on the recent division , have determined to brave the menace of government and hold a Reform meeting in Paris . Upwards of one hnndred deputies

      met on Sunday in the Place Madeleine , and , agreed upon theierm . 3 ofa _Manisfesto , which they published in the journals of Monday . This document . _declares that the recent ministerial address constitutes a flagrant and audacious . violation of the rights of the de _» puti 63 . that ' it infringes the sacred principles ofthe constitution , that it violates through the deputies , the vgg _^ ntial rights of the eitizens , and is calculated to spread disorder through the country . The Opposition declare their determination to combat wbat they regard as a counter-revolution , and to defend by all legal means the rights of meeting _assailed by ministers . A committee of deputies was appointed to carry out those views of the meeting ; a protest was recorded against the arbitrary acts of the _government ; and it was further resolved unanimously that no member _sbould . consent to join the Deputation of _Address to the Tnileries .

      _Themayorsof arrondi _^ sements _. ip Paris , whobelong to the Opposition signified their intended resignation if government insisted in obstructing the Reform meeting . Another sign of tb « times has , to be mentioned . On , Sunday , sixty officers of the National Guard _sentiah address , to the Opposition deputies , in which th ? y offer their services as an escort to the Reform banquets , and as a guard against any obstruction to the fulfilment of the intended demonstration . General Jacqueminot , having called together : the

      colonels of the National Guards of . Paris , and questioned them as to the spirit which prevailed in their respective legions , received answers not calculated to reassure a cabinet which contemplated means of armed repression . It is also said that General Sebastiani had taken similar steps in relation to"the superior officer ** of the garrison of the capital , whose answers brought no other assurance than that theline would support the National Guard , but that any ! ndependentaotion , incase of apopular movement , could not be relied on .

      It is positively stated that government has caused to be deposited in the barracks , and especially in those ofthe Ilth _arrondissement , monitions and ration ' s ; for eight days , and also axes and other implements , as if fer an approaching action . In Tuesday ' s Times the correspondent of that paper says : — ' It is certain that the great Reform banquet will take place on Thursday or on Sunday next . The Opposition National Guards will be present , but with side arms only , for tbey cannot legally appear in arms unless when summoned by their chiefs . The

      government ara resolved at this moment to prevent the banquet . Their means for enforcing submission te their will are immense . The army in Paris and its environs is numerically equal to the National Guard . Every barrack , every post , every guard-house ef the hundred that are in the capital is fortified and safe from a coup de main . The officera of the staff are studying the plan laid down by Marshal Gerard' for resistance to a revolt . Every military post in Paris , and every one of the forts that surround and command it , is gorged with ammunition . '

      Tbe PiTRK says : — ' Several journals have spoken within the last few days of mysterious arrests effected in the different parts of the capital . _Peneeful foreigners , long established in Paris , bave been violently torn from their residences during tbe nighttime , confined in the Cenciergerie _, and then tent out of France under the escort of the police , without time being allowed them to make any preliminary arraneements , or to regHlate their affairs compromised by _tbissndden departure . The persons _whoha-rebeen victims of these arbitrary acts are all Germans ; . one of them , as already stated , is M .. _Engels , known in the learned world by his remarkable work oh the situation of the workine classes of Great Britain , published at Leipsic in ~ 18 £ 7 . 9 M . Ehgels , son of a rich manufacturer of Barmen , near Elberfield , employing 700 or 800 workmen _. was , for two years , domiciled at Paris , in the Reu Neuve Saint Martin , and he received monthly from his father a pension more than sufficient to assure him a comfortable and

      independent existence . A distinguished painter , M . —— , of Cologne , has also been arrested and expelled _^ as well as some inoffensive workmen , remarkable for their calm and laborious habits . The following is the crime of the persons arrested . The evening before the New Tear ' s Day , about a hnndred Germans established at Paris , and forthe most part workmen , met _tosetherat a restaurateur ' s . It had been agreed beforehand that all political discussion shoHld be abstained from—a proof of the perfectly peaceful spirit

      which actuated this kind of family meeting . At the dessert , if . Engels , who was one of the guests , addressed to his countrymen some remarks in German , in which there might , if rigorously considered , be found political allusions , but he stopped when the circumstance was remarked to him , and the banquet finished without the slightest tumult . It was on account of this incident , so unimportant in itself , that six weeks afterwards several of these foreigners were arbitrarily arrested , and deprived of the hospitality which they had found on the French soil . '

      On Monday evening , at nine o ' clock , th 9 grand deputation ofthe Chamber of Deputies _charfed with tbe presentation of tbe address in reply to the speech from the throne , was received by the King . The usual humbug was gone through , the members ofthe loyal' majority' shouting ' Vive le Roi !' The Paris newB of Wednesday says , continued _agitatioH prevails respecting the reform question , and the right of the public to meet for its discussion . The difficulty experienced of finding a building large enough to hold the guests expected at ' the great reform dinner oa Sunday , has been solved by the projecting of a temporary building , which is being erected in the Champs Elysee 3 . There appears every determination to hold the festival , in spite of the opposition ofthe ministry .

      ITALY . PEOGBESS OP REFORM . News from Palermo to the 3 rd represents thatthe king had granted to Sicily the constitution of 1812 . which had been accepted by the insurgents , en the condition that the Prince Royal ( now twelve years old ) should reside at Palermo a 3 viceroy , a regency being established until he shall attain his majority , and a separate parliament to be established at Par lermo . An amnesty was proclaimed , from which , however , were excepted the emigrants of 1821 . All the fortifications of Sicil y were surrendered to the insurgents , and all the troops had returned . ' to Naples . The most perfect tranquillity continued at Naples , From Turin we learn that Charles Albeit has granted a constitution to his subjects . The principles on which it is f . unded are nearly those ofthe the French charter .

      The Ai'ff 3 Bi < RO _Giziifin says : ten arrests have been made at Milan of persons moving in the higher ranks , and that important papers have been discovered . The REroEUE contains the following accounts from Italy _;—*> In a village ia the environs of Milan one hundred and seventeen horses of the Imperial Artillery have been poisoned . The perpetraters of this act have not as yet been discovered . The rnmoHr becomes more and more confirmed , that General Ra _« detzky has demanded of Charles Albert to occupy Ales . « andria . According to the terms of the treaties of 1815 , this town ought , it is said , to be guarded by Austrian troops whenever there exists a probability of war in Italy . The Rbfokme _Btates that Charles Albert replied ' f th 8 t treaties were made with pens , but that towns and fortresses were taken with arms . '

      Letters from Verona announce the arrest of Connt Emilei during the ni _& ht-time , his crime being that of having transmitted to Milan the money collected at Verona for the wounded and maimed of the 8 rd ultimo . He has been transferred to the fortress of Intelligence from Italy states that Lord _Minto had arrived at Naples on the 8 th . __ A Britiih steamer , arrived at Civita Vecchia en the 1 st , brought the intelligence that , inconsequence of a popular movement , Messina had been bombarded on the 29 th , by the garrison , which had been shut up in the citadel .

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      The news from Palermo is to the 5 til . The con . stitntion and amnesty had arrived there on the 3 rd-It was recited publicly by the provisional government . It declares that Sicily always had' a _constitntion _, but which had been illegally suspended ****** it was modified and sanctioned in 1812 , and in lolo * , and that this constitution be admitted , and that the parliament ba held at' Palermo . The provisional government of Palermo is declared to be that of all Sicily . It is systematically _organised . GERMANY . Accounts from Silesia continue to represent the distress in some parts of the country as really awful ; and if the description of such dreadful scenes can be relied upon , the distress and want in tbat country surpass by far anything ever experienced in Ireland .

      A _Revoluiiokaut now in Bayaru —A little revolution commenced by a students * row , _has _* taken place at Munich . Lola Msnte 3 has closed her brilliant and noisy career on the political stage of Bavaria . Her exit has been as precipitate as her entranoe . She had made a little party amongst _thestudents of the University . They were snon marked for insult and attack : Hearing some of them were in peril , she boldly ventured in nerson to tbe rescue , was herself insulted , wa _^ rescued by the king , but was , nevertheless , outrageously treated , and only saved by being received , within the gates of the palace . A royal decree punished the students by closing the university for a year . This harsh step brought the protest and remonstrance

      ofthe chief authorities . Crowds assembled around the palaoo . The students and their friends were , of course , violent , as well as the citizens , who were threatened with loss by the closing of ihe university . Some conflicts took place between the crowd and the military . But the latter positively refused to fire upon their fellow . citizens , or to employ harsh means of repression . The monarch tten went to address his people from the balcony of tho palace ; but his reception was a blow from a stone , which so shocked the royal family , and humbled Louis , that he ] reluctantly issued . a decree , exiling theobnoxi _ous Countess of Landsfeld . Another account _States . thatthe flight of Lola _Montes was so preoipitate that she had not a _moraentto prcpnre for it . Her house was completely sacked by the insurgent students , ¦ .

      Factory Legislation. To Ihk Bbitor Of Tb...

      FACTORY LEGISLATION . TO IHK BBITOR OF TBE MOBIWe POST . Sir—My attention having been directed to an article on' Factory Legislation , ' in . the ¦ Economist of the 8 th instant , on my return from a visit to the manufacturing districts , I have procured a copy , and have to request the favour that you will insert this reply . I am told that the editor of the Economist is a very wise man ; be it so . He should , then , be very careful to publish truth and sense . I grieve to say , his article on 'Factory Legislation ' , is deficient in both points .

      ' The . workmen and workwomen are not the authors of the agitation that is getting up in tbe manufacturing districts on . the Ten Houra Bill . ' . ' Property and wages have not been destroyed by my crotchet . ' I thank my accuser for giving me the credit of * inducing the legislature to embody my erotchetinto a law . ' I thank him also for giving that law _; tha title of * Mr Oastler ' slaw . ' - I fancy , however , that many persons will not readily , accord to me that honour . It is not true that those ministers who gave their sanction to my crotchet were ' ignorant . ' - Nor is it true that' Mr _Oastler ' s law' was passed '• _unthinkingly ;'

      or , that 'his enactment is ' a ruinous restriction on the industry of man , and his _holpmate—maohinery . ' Neither have any facts recently transpired in the manufacturing districts , which should convince numbers of Parliament that to meddle with the industry of the people is a dangerous undertaking . ' It is a misrepresentation to state that 'throughout the manufacturing , districts the masters have come to the resolution to employ men wherever they can in place of women . ' I wish , right heartily , that such were the case ; then our manufacturing operatives would have good wages and comfortable hemes .

      It i 3 delightful , among so much error , to discover an atom of truth—quere , waa it wise in the Economist to remind the factory-workers of one great cause ot the depression in wages , -by telling them that 'THEY AM EXPOSED TO COMPETITION IN ALL THB mabkxts e ? the woblb . ' Let that truth become the watchword in every manufacturing district , then its effects will shortly b 8 exhibited in a loud cry that will bo echoed in St Stephen's . Wm 1 That cry will awake many sleepers , among the rest the supposed writer of the article I am noticing .

      . It is not tr ue that ' female operatives would be degraded by banishment from factories ; ' although it is true that' the condition of woman has of late been much improved in our factories ! ' What an admission from one who afterwards deprecates every ' Act of Parliament forbidding labour beyond a certain number of hours : or , tbat ' meddles with industry ! ' the'improvement ' he boasts of being the re _.-ult of the folly he announces ! The following paragraph is , upon the whole ,. so much in-accordance with my own opinions , I could almost imagine that my opponent hiid cut it out of my letter ( upon which he is animadverting ) , and with slight additions dropped it , by mistake , amongst his own MS . It is so important , I . will , with your leave , reprint it , and beg tbat every factory operative , and every member of Parliament , . will have it reprinted in large type , and placed over his mantle piece . This is the paragraph to which I allude : —

      'The general rate of wagesf deduced : from experience , is . that it host , _enable the labourers , one with another , to subsist and rear a family . A sufficient payment to accomplish that—and , if capital b 8 fast increasing , to rear tolerably large-familiesuusr be given to labourers . For the interests . of capitalists , that rate of wages most be paid ; and it would . seem better that it should be obtained by the labour ofthe man only , than by the labour of the man andwoman conjoined . It is , we- believe ,-a general rule , that-in those employments __ in which the males only labour for the wages which are to support the family , the rates of wages are higher than in those where both male and female labour to the same end . Ih the latteh . case , thb two onlt

      GET AS MUCH AS OHB IN THE FORMER . Granted . And why ? _Beeause our male operatives are , _inthatcase , not only ' exposed to competition in all the markets af the world , 'but they are also driven to compete , with our female . operatives in the _houe market of labour — father . against daughter—son ¦ ¦ against mother —husband ; _against wife—brother _agaibst sister ! The natural result of this unnatural competition ,. is fairly stated by my opponent , . to"be . 'The two only get ab much as osKil' proving that it is sheer madness to compute _manlagainst his helpmate woman 1 This writer ought to know , that , before ' Acts of Parliament forbidding labour , beyond a certain ¦ number of hours ' were passed , this unholy competition was'sometimes

      carried on between up-grown men and female babea not five years old 1 and to- a number oi hours per day , in some cases exceeding . eighteen . out of the twenty-four ! True , on his own showing , '¦' . the two onlt sot as much as one ! ' and on the evidence of the grave-yards , measuring by the ordinary , duration of life , 'The two only got as much ( life ) , as one ! ' Still , after all his admissions , there is , ; my opponent says , ' an overruling _necessity , ' outweighing the loss of life and of wages , . which demands that f everything .. which stands in its way must be evaded or thrown aside ! ' Acts of Parliament protecting human life are , in the face of this "overruling

      necessity , ' powerless—this acribe declares , _^ thby MUST BE EVADED OE THROWN ASIDE ! ' Such is the insane verdict of this wise writer in the Economist , , And pray , Sir , what think you is thia * overruling necessity V I entreat your patience , it is neither more nor less than , ' the _best _. use thev can make of xheib , machinery ! ' I _do _. hbt misrepresent , but I entreat you to read the article on which . J . am commenting . If the . JEeonomMt be Tight , on Ms own showing , Acts of Parliament , passed for the protection . ©! : human life , ' mi _/ _sibb evaded , 6 r thhoww _asidb , ' and one-half of . the wages ofthe male . operatives must be sacrificed , simply to enable 'the manufacturers and workmen * to . make ' the . best use of then

      machinery . Now , I think , Sir , no sans person will assent to this proposition : , I solemnly protest ; against the _adoption of a principle so dangerous / so inhuman , so Hnchristian , so _reyoIutionary . _IYield to that principle—reduce it to praetice—and the social fabric must fall I find , Sir , that this new agitation on the \ Ten Hours olause which ' tbe . _Aasociated Millowners' have provoked , will be much more important than the last . Then , we-simply claimed what humanity awarded . Now , even in the onset , eur opponents are forcing us to deal with fundamental , principles of social economy . I rejoice at their temerity—lam prepared to , encounter them . I think I can refute them by reason and Scripture , although they boast tbat ' common sense'resides with them ?

      To return . Now for the reasons assigned for repealing or ' evading' ( that is the word ; the Ten Hours clause . I will quote tbe words of my opponent , to which I call your most serious attention _: — ' The average quantity of cotton , consumed weekly , in 1847 , was 21 , 400 bags against 30 , 000 bags in 1846 , or 8 , 600 bags per week less ! ' The quantity of cotton purchased by consumers in the months of September , October , and November , only averaged 14 , 500 bales weekly . - ' against 20 , 500 bales during the same period in 184 &; thus showing in these autumn months a falling off in the weekly consumption of cotton of no less than 15 , 000 bales , or 50 per cent , as compared to last year ( 1846 ) , ' You will _temember that Mr Cebden has told the cotton millowners : — ' Yon HAYS HOT COTTON IN EXISTENCE TO _JT . _EBP YOUR UACUISKRT IN EMPL 0 TMKNT . ' The Economist , further states -.

      —' The decrease of 1847 , as compared to 1840 , ofthe sum whieh annually goes- 'to pay wages and profits * or reward all persons connected with the cotton trade fo- tbeh exertion ** , ia estimated at upwards of _AOWpjOOftl _**

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      Strange , indeed , it appears to me , that , with this admitted and immense falling off in consumption , in quantity and in capital ( whioh cannot be attributed to tne _ien flours . Clause , that clause has not yet come into operation ) , a demand should be made for a repeal of . that clause— for 7 onoer hours of labour ! the enly reason assigned is , that , notwithstanding tnis immense deficiency , ' ' some manufacturers run their mills thirteen and fourteen hours a day !' _tnese manufacturers being , no doubt , members of tha Association of MilloWner * , ' seeking , by Aot of Parliament , t obtain a monopoly of the whole cotton trade tor themselves , to the certain ruin of all others connected with that branoh ! _^ _fe answered my opponent of the Econom ist ; WOUld that ho , or tho editor of the Mobnino _Lhronicle , would aiiswer mine of the 1 st inst ., which yoa kindl y inserted in the Morning Post of the 6 th inaf

      Yonly , our opponents have raised a solemn question . Let them , if they can , disprove the facts they nave admitted , or invalidate the deductions I have drawn therefrom-else , a case is established by themselves . proving the folly—the danger—the _wickedness ot striving to found ouv national prosperity on the manufacture ot cotton . We have mistaken a spear tor a staff—if we longer lean thereon , we shall b

      „ ,, „ ,. _RlOHATlD OASTLER . Fulham , Middlesex . _P'Srlwas told , . iu Manchester , that Mr John Bright is the writer ofthe article in tho Economist , to which this letter has reference . If so , the honourable member should be made to account to his constituents for _having so grossly misrepresented them . He _ahonldalsobe ' reminded of his repeated assurances to the factory operatives that , when 'they aro exposed to competition in all the markets of the world :, ' their condition is improved in every respect . R . 0 .

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      this _jaimsus' ASSOCIATION . TO THE EDITOR 03 ? THE NOMHEBN STAB . Deae Sm — In your valuable journal of Saturday , the 5 th instant , there Ib a letter signed ' Wllli & ni Grocott , ' in which that gentleman seems to insinuate that I had not reported truly as to tbe _expensa- of tho 'Miners' Association . ' . , I think Mr _Grocott must havo forgotten that ho pnb . _lishtd what is termed ' A two months' Report of the _Minero' Association from September Gth to _OctobtrSOlh , 1817 , ' bat in reality , only to tho 18 th October . In t ! 4 « _infamous document I find expended from the General _Fusd In six weeks , for lecturer . - * ' and executive ' s wapes , logethsr with conch fare , £ 139 17 s . 8 d . . In connexion with this association , there is what is called the 'ICounty Fund ; ' and out of this , there haa been spent in paying a _travelling committee , J . Berry , aad other local lecturers and agents , the _nuraof £ 8219 _i . ia the above time ; making a total of £ 172 16 j . S 3 .

      There is one strange feature in this association , v _' z ,, that the one set of men are the exocutive and travelling committee . And although that a conference held on the 11 th of August , 1817 , in St _Ileltins , resolved— ' That William Meadowes , Kobert March , _anl William Choethaca be th * travelling committee ; ' and ' thnt tho above three , in conjunc : ion with the general secretary and treasurer , do form the executive of the lli'ien' Association ;' Btill these _threu' men bave been drawing pay from both funds , viz ., tbe General and County Funds , Thera are other items in this balance , sheet tbat I do not wish to mention at thio time . Suffice it to say , tbat if I thought proper , 1 would make any honost unionist wonder how men can be so long duped by a tew _. And now , Sir , I think I have answered Mr Groeott ; for , if £ 172 lCs . 8 J . spent from the Cth September to the 18 th October , -will not he £ 180 in two months , it is rather strange to me .

      I beg to say , in condasior _, _thatftia question has been forced upon nit , And if the agents ofthe Miners' Union cannot support their position without the aid of lies , they had better drop it at once , lam an unionist in every sense of the word , and therefore would be glad to seo the Minors' Association prosper ; but knowing , flora experience , thiit loeal unions are ineffectual to the wants of the a ; e , 1 am an advocate for a general organisation ; and hence tbe sp l een of _theeeinterested _parties . I value my character as much as Mr _Grocottn , and will at all times be ready to prove what I may assert , While I remain , yours truly , J . Lenkqan . ¦ P . S . —I would have given every item , but your ' spsce would not allow it . ¦ Wigan : Feb . 6 , 1818 .

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      Suicide of a Descendant op the Pkndbil _FamilV . — On Wednesday Mr W . Payne held an inquest at the Queen ' s Head , St Mai tin ' s le Grand , on the body of Charles Pendril , aged thirty-three , a journeyman shoemaker . The deceased was , by his ancestors , connected with a very important event in the English history . He was a descendant oftho Pendrils who rendered such great services to Charles the Second when pursued by his eheraie ? , and lying concealed in the oak . For thia act of leyalty the head ef the family was rewarded with a pension of £ 100 a year ; , but from , political circumstances payment wa 9 in after ypars suspended by the government ( some say refused ; by the family ) , nnd it was . only recently that the descendants , who are all in

      indigent circumstances , endeavoured to obtain , its renewal . The deceased was the son of Mr Pendril , known as having given shelter in his house to young Watson , who was concerned in the _Cato-street conspiracy , secretin ? him for several . weeks while , the publio officers : wero in search , of him , and afterwards safely sending him to America in the disguise of a Quaker . The deceased resided at No . 4 , King ' s Head-court , and lateiy had been much depressed in spirits from the want of sufficient work . On Saturday night hesuspended himself to a rail on which the clock was hung , and was found next morning lifeless . The

      jury returned a verdict ot ' Temporary insanity . ' Fins . — Guildhall was in Bome danger of being _jdestrorpd by fire on Sunday morning , from the close proximity of . other _buildings . About one o ' olock in the morning Wood , ono of the patrols ,, waa crossing over the reof of Guildhall , when he found a fire had broken out in the upper floor at _Jlessrs Gregory and CubittV _. ' straw bonnet manufacturers , No , 15 ~ _, Aldermanbury . The back of these premises are within two feet of one . portion of Guildhall . Through the early discovery of the firo the mischief was confined to the upper part of the house , but the damage from fire and water amounts to nearly

      £ 2 , 000 . ,, WniTKCHAPBL _CeUN-fY COURT . _—JoSBPH A » Y ON HIS last Legs . —The celebrated Joseph Ady , of - ' something ' to advantage ' notoriety , was summoned _a ain to show cause why he refused payment of twenty shillings , which he obtained from George Duke , Esq . of No . 54 , Cambridge-terrace , Hyde Park , and Hastings ; Susses , under the usual pretence of affording him some information to his advantage . The money was . forthwith transmitted to 'Friend Joseph , ' and the information received . was worth nothing * although Ady furnished the plaintiff with . plenty , of Jithogranhic circulars . — -The defendant did not appear on the

      occasion , but his representative said he could offer nodefence , and that his client was obliged to throw himself spoil the mercy of the plaintiff , who had agreed to receive the money by instalments of Cs . 8 d . per month and tho costs . He could assure thecouit Mr . Ady was on his last legs . —The Judge : Joseph hers again ! The public are nut to be dHpedany longer , —Mr Duke said he wished to show , _mei-cy to the defendant , and ; that he brought forward this _csee ori . public _' grounds . —An order for the payment of the debt ' and costs by instalments , as proposed , was , tin n made . This was the eighth summons taken out in this court against Ady , and in every one an order was made upon him :

      A Relic or _thr French Republic —General Michaux , one of the most distinguished officers of Engineers o _* ' the republican and imperial armies , died at Versailles on the 10 th instant , _intheseventyeighth year of his age . He entered tbe nervice . jn 1793 performed the campaigns of 1704 . 1795 , 1706 , and 1797 , and accompanied General Bonaparte to Egypt . Left in command of the' fort of Cathee , when the French army marched to Syria , he bravel y maintained that position ih the centre of the desert . When the army , on its return from Soriay reached Cathee , Captain Michaux sought among the staff the officers of engineers , his comrade . ' , in order to embrace them . Astonished at their absence , he asked Bonaparte whore they were . 'They are dead , ' replied the General . ' Are there none remaining _?' inquired Michaux . Bonaparte cited several names , and added , ' There are many more in Egypt . ' Not

      so many as you lost before St Jean d'Acre , ' rejoined the commander of the fort . \ _, Wnat will you have V was the . reply , 'Jt is the lot of those who serve in your department of the army . ' Michaux remained in Egypt after the departure ot Bonaparte , and took part in the siege ot Cairo , and ultimately in . the defence ef Alexandria- Having returned to France he was employed in fortifying the islands of _Walcheren and Elba , and was . afterwards director of the fortifications of Genoa . In 1812 , he was transferred to the army of Portugal , in 1813 tothatof Spain _. and was present at the subsequent military- operations until the battle of Toulouse . On his return frem Elba , Napoleon appointed him Commander of the Engineers of the Sth corps . The Restoration also availed itself of the services of General Miohaux , who , at hia death , was a member o ! the municipal council ef _Versailles .

      Leadkrship op thb _Countrt PiSTr . —Lord Gianby has declined the honour of succeeding to the post ot leader of the _Conservative parly in the house of Commons , vacant by t _^ e retirement of Lord George Bentinck .

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      [ Press of matter prevented us from _inserting last week an outline of tho important Bill brought iu _onThursdAy so ' nnight by lord Mobpbth _, for promoting the public health in cities and towns , Wo now subjoin an abstract of Its provisions as explained by his _brdshlp . ] Health of Towns—The bill had beta drawn up by the Attorney . General , in a shape which , hU lordship tiaid , he hoped would render it little liablo to objection . He intended to abide by tbe proposal of last year to appoint a central hoard of hoalth , _constitutt-d in the game manner as then appeared to be sanctioned by parliament . It would consist of five members—of whom two would , be paid , and would be presided over by some responsible member of ihe government , That proposal contained tbo principle of _centralisation , to which _eonse gentlemen entertained so strong an objection ; but with .

      out _Borne . _such means of applying tho reoultB of experience and . of scientific control , he was of opinion that uny measure of this hind would be a mere mockery . But , whilst he acted on the principle of some regulated amount of state provision , ho thought that the working of tbo measure should be coramittid to local bodies , responsible to their respective local communities . The state should evidently have tbe power ef _checking obvious abuses , but it should _leare the repression of local abuses to local efforts , he there / ore passed on to tha constitution of the local bodies which gortrnment proposed . to call- into existence . On that point it was Intended to aJhere to the proposition of last year , which had been generally approved in the _houso _. and in the country . . That proposition was , that these local boards should bo connected with and not _riistinet from

      the . town counoils , where municipal councils existed . Two objections , however , bavo been urged against the employment of town _couwcils for sanitary purposes , . . It was said , firstly , tbat these bodies were too . numerous ; - and , secondly , _tiiat tha _difFrenco of the municipal boundary from that wanted for sanitary , purposes would provfl a _pirp _^ tual source of difficulty ; . Now , be proposed to obviate the first objection by providing , that after u certain number of tbe Inhabitants ef a municipal town hod applied for tbe benefit of thiB act , and after a report bad been received from the inspectors of the district on the local _circurostoncea of the distriet , and on the expediency of _applying the act to it , it- should be lawful for the Executive Government , if jt appeared fit tbat -this act should be applied to it , to define the number of persons who

      were to carry it into effect . Ho took it for granted that that number would be . less than the number of tbe tow . n councillors ; and therefore the government proposed that parties Bhould b >; selected from the town council by themselves ,. and tbat those parties should constitute the health committee . This plan be deen ? ed more advantageous than his plan of last year . As to the objection . that tbe sanitary boundary would outstep and overlay the municipal boundary , he proposed to obviate it by providing that the same-order in council whieh declared the act applicable to the _outlaying district , should define the number of Banitary commissioner ! to serve for it , and that thoso _cotnmissioHerB should bo elected by the ratepayers on the same principles as the _guardians of the poor , and should be associated for sanitary purposes with the commissioners

      appointed by the town council . In places not municipal , ' -the order in council would sat forth the number _of-commisaiontri for the district , and they , too , would be elected in tho same manner by tbe ratepayers , Government did not intend to make any exception in England . and Wales to the operation of this act . Though he wished to have the same principles applied to Scotland and Ireland , he did' not intend to encumber his bill with clauses , applying _itsproviBions to those countries ; but if this bill should he adopted aud approved la England and Wales , be hoped that it would be applied for both by Scotland and Ireland , Government , therefore , did not professedly exclude the metropolis from the operation of tbis measure . _Buthe did not wish -to mislead Mb hearers . In the metropolis we were far advanced beyond tbe rest of the

      country by . the constitution ofthe Commission of Sewers and of the processes wbich they had'carried into effect . Government had also appointed a commission to inquire what measures it would be best to adopt for the sanitary regulation of . the metropolis . That commission bad already made some reports , and as far as they bad reported , government ; had acted upon tbeir recommendations . It would also net on their future recommendations ; and he expected tbat in a few days he should be . able to bring in a bill to give legislative -force to one of them . Having thus constituted the local bodies , he proceeded to enumerate the functions which they would havo to perform . Ho made a distinction _botwoen those _fuuctUma which U wonld bo imperative and obligatory on the commissioners to perform , and those wbich would be only permissive aad discretionary . All functions

      relative to the public health would be imperative—other functions relative to regulations whieh might ba desirable in one locality and not in another , would bs wily _discrotioBory , He then specially enumerated tbe duticB wbich it would be imperative on the local beards to discharge . They would hare to hold regular meetings for tho performance , of business , to appoint surveyors , and inspectors of- towns , to provide a map ef their _district _,--to niako public sewers vrhero they did not exist , and to . substitute better for defective sewers , to compel the- _owners and occupiers of houses te _ftupp j y _housodniius , io supply water for the cleansing . of . the streets , to appoint scavengers , to fill up i _.-ifenBlve and unwholesome ditches , nnd to - provide sufficient - -water for draining' and for public and private use ; Among

      tbeir permissive duties nould be- to enlarge , overarch , and otberwiso alter , existing Bowers ; to require new buildings to be constructed on a proper . level for drainage ; . to- alter drains , privies , & c . ; to make bylaws for th & removal of _ft-tb ; to require certain _furoncts to consume their own smoke ; to remove slaughter houses- ; to alter buildings improperly built for veuiila . tion ; to inspect lodging houses of a certain description ; to provide public grounds for recreation and amusement and publio batbs _andjwaterworke . Purposes like these must be carried into effect by a rats on tho district ; and he hoped that the provisions for rigulating tbe ratingwere as clearly and as concisely drawn up as possible . They were so framed as to admit the rates . to bo levied only on tbe . districts specially benefitted ; and in cases where large-and expensive improvements were to be

      made , a special provision was introduced that the expense of thera should ba defrayed by- Bmall instalments spread over a number of years . - He did not like to commit himself to an estimate of the expenses to which the ratepayers ¦ would be liable ; but it had been computed that for supplying the houses of tbe poor with water , forgiving tbom drains and privies , and for cleansing ' obno % _ious thoroughfares , tho _expenso would not bs mote than 44 . _a-vseek for each house . Ho did not inland to includu in this bill a _clausu fer the removal of _crmc _teries from town & or for making cemeteries out of their . walls . . That was a matter , of _sufficient importance to require a distinct -bill . Hu intended , however , to propose tbat the Board of Health thould bo empowered , when- any burying place appeared to it to be -destructive of tbe health and life ' of

      the residents in its vioinity , to prohibit the use of tbat . burying ground for interment In future . With regard te the subject of ventilation , he proposed to place it under tho _speolal supervision of the central board . These were the _mainprovisions of the aot which he had to submit to theheuse ; but ho could not conclude hU task without endeavouring to impress on the house a few of the reasons on wbich he thought that it was bound to . adopt this or . some other better measure , without , delay , iu its full , or it might be in improved , efficiency . He did not lay stress on the apprehended approach of tbe cholera . If tbat dreaded malady should arrive , it would he obligatory on us to provide means _for'its repression and prevention . Those meao 8 _^ m _* _!^ h'b 6 the application of temporary remedies to a temporary evil . Government had not bson

      inattentive to that subject . It bad already revived in tbe last session of parliament tbe Cholera Act ot 1832 , and all the means were already provided for appointing local _boa-i'ds under it , in case , the cholura appronohec _" . The house , however , was not thon called upon to meet a _forrnMuble and extraordinary malady , but to meet the abiding ' nuUauc ' e of ths oimntry _, the annual mist of _epi-I ' omic ' doubling'ia ' our towns the slaughter ofthe bloodiest _fn-ld of battle . He dlil _not-Sntend to rely on statistics entirely ; thsy _mijjht be exaggerated-or formed on _Inaccurate data . Ho would , therefore , discard the higher computations , and adopt tho most reduced _Bculo ot _disease and mortality wbich bad been placed before tlio public ; and if il wero _trus that In England and Walts there were 30 , 000 lives which we could annually save , and 7 , t ) 0 U , C 0 O , ; 6 r 8 , ( . 00 , 000 of money which wo cr . uld annually 9 pare from our expenditure on the poor , and 11 ¦

      wo dH not save the one and 'spare the other , our folly . ' would only . be less _tliBB our crimo . Lord Morpeth oonclodod by asking , whether those towns which provided England and tho world with fuel , , iron , manufactures of every kind—those VBSt hives of industry , the sources of Buch comfort and civilisation cf mankind—ought to have their homes the seats of filth , _disease , and degradation of the worst kind , and to be encircled with eucb deadly and demoralising influences ? He , therefore , a » lced for the . labour of Great Britain and its various agents nil the appliances which the _advancing _knpwledge of tho . houae could give . He did not ask the house to _fttiSe British energy with over interference , but he did ask It to make its superior skill and science available to point out to the clear heads and dexterous hands , of our operatives tho true and proper path of nealth'ih whicii they _ooght to walk , ond from which they ought neverto bealh > w _« d again to stray .

      The bill was favourably received . The objections taken to it being that It did not go far enough . ' No member complained- ot its doing too . much , —Colonel SiBTBOftl ? found fault tollh It Wau * e It did not Include the metropolis . —Lord Duncam because there was no mention of repeal of tho window tax . —Mr Houbm _^ n _complained that it did not cntiroly abolish intramurial intermenJs _' f and Mr _'WAKtlx anathematised fever hospitals ia _towns .- _^ Tb these various complaints lord _Mobpssh replied generally , that ho was aware of their importance , but , as men of business , tbey must do one at a time .

      , MONDAY , Feb . 14 . HOU 3 S OP IiOBPS , —The house sat for half on hour , but the business was entirely conflnea to receiving petitions and notices , _HOtJSE . QF COMMONS . _—GheatYabmodthBmctioh . —Mr "O . _Sesmbe reported from the committee on the _GmtYMmw \ ne _\« ttou _psiWutith & tLwd A , Lmkos

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      and 0 . E . Coote , Esq . ' , were not uuly elected , Umt tho election was void , that the hon . _gentliraen named bad been ( through tlieir agents ) guilty of bribery at the last election , but tbat there was no evidence to show that such acta o'f bribery had been committed with their knowledge , that gross and systematic bribery prevailed at the last and preceding election , especially anion * the freemen , ahd tho _committee were vmanim » asly of epi . niori thatthe freemen of the boroug h should be ( lisfranchises , and that no new writ be issued until legislative measures , have been taken for the purpose of such disfranchisement , ( Cheers from the ministerial Bide . ) New Wbit fob WAT £ jFe 3 D , —On the motion of an Hon . _Mekbeb , anew writ was ordered to be issued for the city of Watorford , iu tha room of Daniel O'Connell , E .-q ., resigned .

      Impeachment of Lobd _Palmeb . ton . —Mr C . Ai * _st £ _T , before he gavo notice of tha renewal of hit motion , wished ta 08 k if thb government had any objection to afford him a day for the purpose of bringing it forward . If they did he would relieve tbtm from the embarrassment which he understood would follow his bringing forward the question that evening . If they would uot , be must pre * s his motion at all _hazards . Lord J , RuiBEiL said certain days were allotted to the _government by tho custom of the house , and he did not think it _consisSent with bis duty to agree to giv « up to a private motion the days allotted to the publio business . The hon . member knew very well ihat there wero two motion days in the week , when his question might be _brought forward . MrC . _Anstey said , that under these circumstances it would be his duty , at however late an hour , to _urhijj forward his motion , as an amendment upon the motion , to go into committee of supply .

      _f A £ a _subsequent period of the evening ( half , past twelve o ' clock ) , _whtn the committee of supply wa 9 moved by tbo Ciu . nceliob of the Excheqois , tho _following _conversation occurred : —J Mr _Ubqchaet said that it wjs _notorious that tha government h ; td _iistd means to prevent the motion of the honourable member for Tougbal being brought on , and he therefore . would move tho _adjournment of the house . Mr W . S . O'Bbien seconded tbe motion , _because he thought tbat _injustice had been done the honourable gentleman . Lord ' D . _Stuah-T said , that if hu felt ag the _honourable member for Youghal _, he would certainly _pi-rsis-t in his motion , but would not Interrupt tho public bust _, no's .

      Tho Chahcellob of the Exchequer s _^ id if the hon . durable gentleman would take the advico of tho noble lord behind him , government _woald do their best to keep bim a bouse , on a notice-day . ( Hear . ) Itwas desirable for the public interest that the vote ho proposed _totnlto to-night should be Uken , as a matter of form , beforo the noble lord at the head of the government made his financial statement . Mr O'Goeman Mahom admitted that ho had exer . cised all the power lie possessed to induce members to retire on the occasion referred to —( laughter)—for the _pnrpose of marking his disapproval _ofwhathe considered the factious course pursued by tho honourable and learned member ( Mr Anstey ) iybo had brought forward his motion in _opposition tn tbe expressed wish of both sldisof thebouse . ( Hear . )

      Mr Anstet said he had given the government , in tho early part of the evening , every opportunity to afford him tins assurance . that he should have an opportunity of bringing on his motion ; but no such assurance had been given . He snd other honourable members had remained all tho evening , at great inconvenience , and he was now aslted to surrender the only advantage he had been able to obtain . If the right honourable gentleman would name a day next week for the committee of supply , and fix it an early hour , he would accede to the rt quest now made ; otherwise , he was quite ready to proceed . It was perfectly notorious that , on the former evening , the honourable and learned gentlemen who acted as whippers-in to the government had used their effortB tocouut the house , ( Laughter . )

      The _Chancbllob of the ExcHEQnER said it was desirablu tbat tbe honourable and learned gentleman n , ij ; ht take an early da \— say that day fortnight—when hiB motion would probably stand first , and government would dw all in their power to secure him a house , As to bringing the motion on when a committee of _supply was fired , he would have just the same opportunity on any future occasion of a committee of supply . No advantage could be gained to-night by bringing ths motion on at this late hour : Mr _Anstet agreed to postpone bis motion till tbe day named by the Chancellor of tbe Exchequer , and hoped that good faith would be kept with bim .

      Tbe Aecbbishop op Canteebdbt . —Lord J . JRu 3 ses & said tbat tbe honourable member for Cockermouth had put a question to him whether bo was _disposad to eiva notice to any future Archbishop of Canterbury that tbe government would consider him _sutject to such ecclesiastical arrangements , changes , and modifications as parliament might hereaftordetermine upon . He begged to say that he entirely concurred in opinion with the honourable member and others who thought the present mode of apportioning tbe incomes of tbe high church di gnitaries unsatisfactory , and that parliament might devise a ' far better arrangement with _respect both to tbe payment by the commissioners to the _biBhops _, and by the _bishops to the commissioners . ( Hear , hear . ) He therefore thought it most proper to give notice to any future Archbishop of Canterbury tbat he must accept bis archbishopric subject to any subsequent ecclesiastical arrangements which might be made by parliament . In the sum proposed to be assigned to the future archbishop , £ 15 , 000 per annum , he did not contemplate any alteration ,

      Mr _Hobsjuw considered the noble lord ' s reply perfectly satisfactory . _NbvvHodje 8 ; of Pabhament . — -Mr _Osdoine , in pur . _sunnee of hia notice , brought under the consideration of the bou » e the last return relating to the expenses of the new Pulace . it Westminster . In doing so ; he called atteution to tbe great expense , and slow progress , aud _presentcondition of the building . He did not intend to make any attack upon Mr Barry , the architect , whom he believed te be as honourable a man as any of thoso who then heard bim ; but be must complain of the profligate and reckless expenditure of public meney on two houses of parliament , without any sufficient control over it . and of ths unnecessary delay which bad taken place in their _erection . £ 710 , 000 was the _original estimate . £ 1 , 400 , 000 had already been eapended ; and the

      calculation was tbat at least £ 500 , 000 must still be expended over these buildings ; and yet the Commons were as far as ever from inhabiting their new bouse , no _niustalso complain of tho stone of which tbe buildings wtre constructed , and must ask Lord Morpeth , as head of the Woods and Forests , whether it was capable of standing the weather ? He must likewise protest against the ex . penditure for ventilating and warming the new bouses . We had already spent £ 90 , 000 odd on that object , and wo bad no security that we should not bave to expend another £ 98 , 000 on the top of it . _Thefire-prcoffitg ef the houses had already cost . £ 15 , 690 ; _; £ 6 000 had already be * n spent for miscellaneous works , and i _£ l 5 . 0 D 0 for miscellaneous and contingent works , neither of which

      hud ever be » n sanctioned by the House of Commons . Such being tbo case , he thought that it was high Urns that the house should step in and set its face against this lavish expenditure of public money . He called upon the house , which tva _« said to be composed of more men of business than any former House of Commons , not to be deterred by the sneers either of Lord Morpeth or L rd J . Russell , but to call npon them to proceed at once to the performance of their duties . He hoped tbat tbe statements which be had _nowjmade would not be left to perish stillborn ; but that some _gEntleman -would taka them up and found a motion upon thini . lie thought that _weshoulddo better by _passinpgood-constitutional laws in a plain edifice , than by founding a magnificent pile of Gothic buildings for that purpose

      Lord MoKPbTH admitted that the building was an expensive one , and thatith'od , _inthatrespect , _excee'ded'the original estimate . But , under all tho circumstances , this coald hardly have bom-otherwise , and the architect was prepared to stand the test of any contrast whatever , with any building erected in this country In modern times , cithtr with reftKnce to its'cost of construction , the speed of its erectkn , or the effect ol its _appearance . Prom the circumstance ' s in which he had been placed , tbo architect hud _hlms .: lf to sustain nearly all the _responsibility oftho undertaking , which he was anxious to . _fflake a credit and glory to the country ; -Tbo ' government would take _meaiurea to contract the annual _samcs to be voted for the new houseB for the coming _yeorB , although this economy would ba . _obser . ved ( he feared , at tho cost ofsome further delay , iu the completion . of tjje . worka . A protracted discus > i . nensued , in which Sirlfc . _Ingim , Mr Hume , Sir B . . _Pesl , Mr M . _Milnbh , the Earl of Lincoln , aud other members took pari , bnttthe ' talk * ended without any definite conclusion .

      The Nsw Zbalaud Govxbnmeht Bus . —On tbe motion for going intocommittecon this bill , Lo ? d Lincoln delivered a speech , not against she suspension of the _constitution recently granted to thoir colonic . ' , but the constitution Itself . Mr _Lauoi _: chirk defended the constitution , and the pro . _posa . 1 to suspend it . The house tbtn , want into committee , and tbe clauses were severaliy _agrctd to . On resuming , the _Speakeb stated that Mx > _Cholmonde ' y uaclineu _» q nef » r . u . h ) i _*» return ( i t beiaj a double one ) for tho Montgomery _districc of burghs ,, and on the motion of Sir R . Peel , the clerk of the crewn was ordered to _attrnd aud insert tbe nams of Mr Pugh _aacordinuly . The bouse then wont into Committee of Supply , and the annual VOtO fOI the payment Ofc _dSU _^ _. _SOO Of Exchequer bills was agreed to . Adjourned at a quarter past one .

      TUESDAY ,, Fs » . I 5 t * a _* HOUSE OF LORDS . —A petition waa presented by the Bishop ol Ex . ™ , from ' _Wtata « _J « B _™ Bia Buckinghamshire , praying that the penalty _rffw _* _mre . to which Dean , and Chapters , and Bishops were _subieotedin _thedlsohar _geoftheirduti _. s , in the elee . tion and oonsecratlon of Bishops , might be repealed ; h S * f wWeh petition _theright rev . prelate sup . tne prsjer o - Af , er gomB observations from Zlt _^ S _^ _oX B _* ho of Cic . m » Lord ?«« _S Lord Oahp « u , ' and the Bishop of St Davids , the petition was ordered to lie on the table . HOUSE OF C . OMMON 9 . _—Cojimx * cul _Liaooe Of _lTAM . « - » r BovfBiso then _roie to move , pursuant to notioe _* , for cop ies or extracts of correspondence on the subject of tbe Commercial League in Italy . He observed that th « _rscent went * iu Italy , conducted as they were with , auclt combined pra « _* enee aad _euergr _, had _ferea

  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), Feb. 19, 1848, page 7, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/ns3_19021848/page/7/