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      Apml 15, 1848. The Northern Sta&. 3

      Apml 15 , 1848 . THE _NORTHERN STA _& . 3

      Giraimai F Aritaffltf&

      _giraimai f _aritaffltf _&

      Hoxday, Arsitlo. Rtjeit Des |S6tb»Tiqr I...

      HOXDAY , _ArsitlO . _rtJEiT DES | S 6 TB » TIQR I !* FAVOUS OT IBB

      _CHASTZB . HOUSE OF LORDS . —In . answer to a question from _^ _g _jietquis of _KoBTHs HrTOK _, which was quit * _inaudible in ihe gallery . The Marquis of Lansdowhe said , he believed tbere WSS now no reason for the alarm which certain proceedings announced to take place _to-dsy had created . Tbe _sttvmpted meeting on Kennington _Common hid feen di spersed by tbe police without the appearance ol a « _iij"Ie * oI . _ier—that dispersion bad been effected without bloodshed without difficulty , and under circumstances which rendered its r « _-nnion and re-organisation ia the

      _feighest _oeiiee improbable . ( Sear , hear . ) Tfce petition which bed _Wn so unnecessarily made the subj ct ofa _procic-iiag of this kind , and _occasioned eo ouch _slatru aud consternation , bad been _brought in the _quietest manner across om of the tri . _* g * s in a vehicle for th * _pnrpos-. _sud taken to th « _etbur house of parliament , no _pfnitruction having been received in it * _progress , whieh was an additional satiifac-ion to bim , inasmuch ss he hoped _th _< - right cf ter _H-jesty ' _s _surj-ees to peti . lion w . mU at all times b « trcrij admitted and _ex-rt-Ued _, ¦ wh ea It w _£ s dene ia a constitutional maimer . ( H « ar , hear . )

      Lard _Broccsax eatirely agreed with the noble _marquis th 3 t ic was most important on ever . - occasion , for the peace os the country , the liberty of the subject , and the security oftho crown , thatthe right of peti : ion should cot be _interierred with ueless it were absolutely neces . _gary ! ( Hear , hear . ) The same observation would apply to tke right of _mating for the purpose of discussion ; bat it was _esf-f-naal to its _existence aa a matter of rigbr { hat tbe _meeting should be for _discussien alene . ( Hear , tiesr . ) _lYnerevcr thtre waa an assemblage too large for & e possibility of discussion , it became a mere display of nu _mbers iur the _tiiibiuoa of _physical force , and could _onli bave thr intention of orerawiog the ministers aud parliament . ( Ilnar , hear . ) Discussion the people had _a light to but a display of force they only could hare a

      right to when that _wret was wielded by the _goTemm- . Et _unitx the parliament of tha _country . _( _H-pr . _) Tie monster meetings in England and Ireland were es » _SfD'ia Jy _i-. _ii-gal—they were mere eihibliioai of _physic * _jorce _. _Kcdcoul i not . by any _perrtrsion of language , be pretended to Or _me-tings for that which _heeiine impossible , viz .. _ciJcassinn , _vthere no _onecoald be _htard _, and where noon--, he might b _^ p minted to _aay , even dreamt of _gaeaking . but where aU , if they didn « t dream of acting , _plsce-d _^ _thFm'elves ia a position in which they might be _driven ! _btfTs they knew it , to illegal courses . ( H _? ar . ) Ibis wis the opinion ofthe late Lord P _uckett aud Lord _Abineer , as well a .- - of himself , with _rcftrrfice te 3 great meeting ia Manchester , in September , 1819—they all thought fist oy the law of thi 3 l * nd that me . ting wa 3

      illegal _, and ttiis was on-3 of a similar character . ( Cheers . ) Tbe Duke of _Welliuqtos hoped the noble and learned lord ' s opinion was founded on the law of the country fiS it really existed . No people had sufivrtd more than the inhabitants of the _metrap-jlis within the last two or three cats from this _threateued meeting of two hundred _thouiaud people . All the _citizen * had been placed under arm *—s'l trade , commerce , and occupation ef every _description , bad been _psrtjaliy suspended , tvery _inetivi--tjas . 1 be" g obliged to s _* ek the _sefety of himself and bis nekhb -ur , as well as the security of their property . To he exposed to such inconvenience as they had beeB tkHt iay for ihe third or fourth time in this short session of _parliament—ance before on Kennington _Caramon—wss indeed a . _raaitcr of serious consideration . ( Hear , hear . ) He trusted bv the bill row pending in _pariiiatnt , or

      other _measures , the law would be so _explamsd and _nn--dsrstc- - _* _* , tl at meetings might be limited to such numbers ss _c- 'uH consistently discufs a question , or hear it discuss-d ( hear , bear)—end th & t the merchants and -others in this great _reetrupolis—the mart of trade and credit _mi-bt not be alarmed , week after week , hy such transaction ; _ashad _feeengoingon _withinthelastfewdays . He hoped it wou'd no longer he in the pow _^ r of at . y m-n tocoac _. rl he nould not say coaspiro — to hold such meetings wbich necessarily put tbepeopieuB < - ' er _anns _. _andtook them acay from their business . ( Hear , hear . ) The _seetii-e that d « y bad been dispersed entirely by tbe efforts ol thep » nce , audalthosghhehad been in readi _sess with tfce tr < _. 8 p 3 _, togive every possible support to them , ii _re-qmreri , for the preservation of ths peace of the city , sad tfee _msintenauca of the law of the country , not a angle soldier had been seen . ( Cbeew . )

      The Mii qus sf _Nobthastptok wade some _00-eervauon _* in a low tone of voice , and added rath , r more audibly , that he wished to express thc _gratitude of their _IoKthip-i for the nobis conduct ef the people of _Lanilon oa the present occasion . The spirit of * _rder and attachment to the English constitution—of religion and morality _exhibited by the middle daises—would _loagbe _rcm-m'r-red . ( Hear ) The Mjrqiis o _^ Lassdowke had great pleasure In con . Srmuu the « _tat-ments of the noble marquis , thst beyond the conduct of tbo police and the readiness cf the military to act if _veecessarv , under > ho noble duke , the go

      Tsmment had received tht mest decisive evidence of the 2 eal of erery class of ths community in all pares of London , _throughout which there had been but oae _«» n ! s . turn , _namely , which should rend < _r the most service and make _sh _* Rre 3 _test _Bscrlfiee . ( Hear , hear . ) If _thtre was enjtiiog which had imparted to bar M-jesty ' g _government thst degree of _confidenca which was necessary to enable th _. m to set as tbey had done , it was tho csitainty which they had _arquirtfl within the lost eight and forty boars that , if they had occasion to _caU oa anv fart ofthe _CMsmnaity for _tnpport , it -weuld be readily _efiorded . ( Hear , hear . )

      Lord Ba _jUgsih made a feir _observations , which were _jl ! £ ndiWe . TheMarqiisof L _iKDOXDEiiBt hoped the government would p _^ y _particular attention _w the conduct of certain foreigners in London , who , he understood , were inciting the people tn ac s of violence . ( Hear , hear . ) Their lordships then adjourned st a quarter be / ore _£ * . o ' clock . HOUSE OP COMMONS . —The Speakeu took the chair at five _ciicutts to four o'clock . On _eBtvnus * . b « house , the otj-ct that attracted urnver ? al notice was the _monsterpeiiu-n , which tay on tbe _3 oor . _clo-e to the table , in nve _Isrge masses of paper . There wi-r _^ about 300 members present when the _gal-Itrv w _« s op . i : _« d , snd by four o ' clock that number had increased to abont 4 t > 0 . Ihe only _cabiaet _ainistevs present at tbe time were Lord Morpeth and Sir J . C . _Hohhnus-.

      Mr F . _O'Connor occapi ed _feis usual seat on the _Oppositiou sid _^ al the hous e , and after conv ersing for a few _in : nuc « with C lonel Thompson and other members , crossed the fl _« _- > r and shoo * * hands with Lor « M . Hill . Sir Robert Peel was one of tha members who arrived early . Captain _PicaEiL presented a petition from a large nmnb ? r of tht _elrctors of Brighton , who had availed them _, ie '* _d 5 of _ibo _oanstitntional privilege of _submitting tfee _consideration of their politicel rights , trusting they would receive that degree of attention which their

      importance lemiH . i .-d froa the guardians of the civil , Social a-id n ligi :-us rights of the people . The petitioners 8 ta-e 3 that the iriatsadof all governmental institutions should be tbe protection of lite , the security of property , the _promotion , of education snd morality , aad the diffusion of happ ' . _nrss among all _clasies , ( Hear , hear . ) They theref : rr _priysd thit the house wonld make such reforms in the _rrpreseatstire system as to secure to the whole _people a full , free , aud fair _representation , in acecrj & nce with the urgency of the tames ana tha " wants and wishes ot the people _.

      THB CHART-ER . Hr F . O ' CosKoi . —I riie , Sir , to present a petition _, sigcea by 5 700 050 _pir . * oas ; also another petition signed Oj about 3 J 000 , which is not appended to that large _ajaiter-j-oH _uhich is now lying on the floor ofthe _bcuse _. The petitioners pray for Annual Parliaments , Universal _Scffrsg-, Vote by Ballot , Equal Elecioral District ! , _Uo Property Qualification , and the Payment of Members ; and I beg , from the curtesy I have already _received from tfee house , to say no more now than to submit that the first pstition bs reed at length by the clerk . The petition was then ordered to be brought up , snd the simple sheet , _eontainiog the petition without tha signatures , was brought up and read by tho clerk st the table .

      Lord _Mobpeth . — I wish to state , on the part of my right hon . frirnd the _Secratary for the _Eome D-partmeet , that he would have been in hia plaee at this moment but that _V-e has been much occupied by tho _necessary _J-usinpss of his _department tbis morning . I aa Bare I may say for hisa , that whatever may be his _santi iBents on tba actual prayer of thepetition , he would not wish to appear wanting in _respect to tula or any other petition signed by a _larga b « dy of his _fellow-subject * . ( Cheers . ) The mont _- ar _patition ws . % _tbra ielled cut of the house by the _messeBffera .

      Hr Bbigbt prefented a petition agreed to by tbe delegates of _Manehestir _, representing 6 . 000 _pasons , praying for the six _points of tbe Charter referred to in the large petition ; sUo'or the abolition of tbe law of Entail snd _Frimogenifnre — ( _cri-s of 'Oh '' and _laugher ) — for S limitation of tb _» tours of Iahour , and for the _estaWHhmtat of local boards for the regulation of the wages of trade . ( Hear , hear . ) Tss _Chasteb —Hr C . _Lcsmnorospave _notisothaton rtila 3 nest , the day appointed for ihe discussion of the petition of the p- op _' _c for the Chare r _, he should asfe the noble lord the Ftst L-.. rd of the Treasury the following _qtiest _' ens : —V . _' _f ; ct ! . » r he could hold ont any distinct hope that ho _would _during the present _session iatrodace _e r fiU ? port a _m-EJure f . T the Extension of the Suffragetcheers ani laughter)—for the _abridgment of the _duration of _P-tliam < nU , for tho formation of Eltctoril District * , ana for _t * _se Vutv . by Ballot' ( _teutfrttr , ) f * _ac-W ! J AKD _GiA ' _iESSIEKT _Secczitt Bill . —The Clsrk

      _bavin * read the oritT nf tho day , Sir S . _Gbst moved tbe sseond readitig of this till . Kr S . O ' _EsiEs : I do not rise , sir , for tbe purpose of enteriag at * ny leegth into the detail * ef this bill . 1 care rery little about ihsse details ; hut I see in this bill a WW attempt to meet the claims oflreland by coercion rather than by _coECttsiont —( 'Oh , c * » _S * end _laogbtfr . ) _ssd itis because I regard it in that point of view , and not aa account of its technical _fennaticn , that I am here to

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      oppose it . I can assure this house in all _eolemalty that I feel this attempt you are making to coerce the people of Ireland will be utterly _intffectual , and that they will laogh at your attempt to _ladict the whole nation for hightreason . ( Ironical cheera . ) But , be tbat Hgit may , I hava a duty to perform , & Hd from tha _performance of that duty I shall not shrink . ( Laughter . ) In 1813 , before I joined the Repeal Association , I felt it my duty to mike a last appeal to tbis honse , asking tbem for wbat was then called j ittlc * to Ireland ; tVat is , a series of _nteful measures , calculated to give satisfaction to tbe Irish people , consistent with tbo _maintenasce of tbe union between the two countries . You refuted that ap . pfal—an appeal made . not only by so humble an indiri . deal as myself , but by a very considerable . part of that

      nation of which I am one of tbo representatives , You have cow an opportunity of meeting the _demaads of tbat _nation by yielding to their clai _^ for a separate 1- gislatur" , for self-government under the ancWnt censtiiution ef Ireland , _consbtinsof the Q _*; en _, Lore ' s , and Commons ef that nation ; and I am here to ssy to-night that I sincerely believe , if yon . refuse that _cla-. m during the present year , you will have to encounter the establishment of x republic in _Ireland . ( Loud cries of ' Oh , oh !' and ironical chrers . ) Unlike all other govcrnaents id Ireland , the lib ral _government of England , _instead of attempting to pacify the country _nith which I am connected hy kindly concessions , _ratet their demands by a Coercion law —( h « ar , hear)—and that at this moment when your Por-ign Minister h civine his countenance to the iff iris

      of every other people to _redeija _thamselves from servi hide . I say ( here is no better parallel for thc _condition of Ireland in htr relation to England than that af Sicily to _Naplss ; hut the noble lord the _Secrrtmry for Foreign _Affiirs thinks that Sicily is perfectly right in throwing tff the yoke of _Xjp ' e _*; and yet , in my absence , hon . gen . _tlemen have brought charges against me—if tbey h » y » charces against me let th * m make _tai-m _to-sight —( hear , hear)—hut they have brought charges against me as an individual , and against the party with whom I act . ( Hear , hear . ) I am here _t- _- > auswer those charges both for that party and myself , and I may say this—with respect to my nob ' e companions in the noble stru _^ le —( ironical _cse-ra and great laughter)—for the independence of oar native land —( _renewed cheers )—having for 8 1 )

      years had tbe opportunity of seeing the most distinguished men of fill parties in this house , mvtr have I met with a number of m « B acting far a gr _« at p'didce ! _object tbat appeared to ae at least to hi actuated by such pure aud disinterested motives as those « ith who ™ it is my 1 rid' to act . ( Ro 9 _rs of _laugat * r , and ironical ch _? eriHg . ) Now , with respect to myself , 1 hav 4 b _? en called a traitor . ( Treiaendius ironicil _che-rifg , which continued for some _njinute _* , and was again an _3 again renewed . ) I shall not protest _disloyalty to the Q . _ieen of England ( groans ) ; but if it be treason to _profess _dh-loyalty to this hou « i—* o the government of Irel ndby tbe _parUam-nt of Great Britain ; if th"t he treason , I avow it . ( Loud criis of 'Oh , oa !' _chiers . and laughter ) Nay , more ; I say it shall be the

      Study of ray life to overthrow the domination of this pavliamtnt in Ireland ( laughter ); aad I take upon myself to _chall-nga any man to contradict my statement , that in this house no man stands higher in _regard 10 bis public character than I do ( Roars cf laughter . ) I ara p' _-rfrctly _censcious that there are many in this house infinitely my superiors in talent ; but eince I have had a seat here as representative for L'merick I have never given any vote Ib this house from any other _object that an honest and a sineere desire to promote tbe public welfare . ( Hear . ) I challenge any one to point eut any vote given by me from any other consideration . And I tell the honse m re . Now , that I am to be arraigned as a criminal , I should gladly accept tbe most ignominious death that coald be inflicted upoa me —( _renewfd and

      lone-contmucd laughter)—rather thaa witness the indignities that have heen inflicted hy this _Iegisla-urc upon my countrymen during the next thirty years of my life —( a laugh)—I mean the last thirty _yenrs . ( _Laughter . ) It has heen stated that I west to France for the purpose of soliciting fureigo aid ( hear hexr ) ; tbat is te say , 9 rmed succour on _brhaif of my country in ths _struggle ia which they are engaged . This is a _mfsappr'hension . ( 'Hsar , 'and a laugh . ) If I had gone to seek fortif n aid of an a « n ; d kind , belieTe me I should bsTe come hack accompanied hy a tolerably large letion oftrofps . ( 'Oh , oh ! ' _er . d great _lsuehter . ) I with that yon had been in France . ( Continued langhter . ) Why . sir , the language that I have held in Ireland and in France to my countrymen has been this , that Irish

      freedom must be won by Irish courage and IriBh firmness . I bave no desire to impose upoa my country one description of servitude in place of another . ( Hear , hear . ) ' [ I believe that if the liberty of Ireland were to be wen , cr at least its redemption _nfre _tob-i won by f _irs'gn bayonets , i « could only be maintained in thnt pou _. _ion hy foreign _bayonete , aud it is uot my _desite or intrntionto place my country under the influence of foreign bayonets . ( Hear , hear ) The hon . member then proceeded to avow that be went to Paris to congratulate the _provisiinal goveroraf nt , and through them France , on the overthrow of a tyranny which had forfeited all claim tothe possession of the throne of France . He went therefor thc purpose of congratulating tbe French nation on having shown the nations of the world— . ard the

      example already had not been without its _effect—how a nation might tff-ct its deliverance , displaying a spirit of independence which , he _trussed , would react on his own eountry . lie had no hesitation in avowing that he found on thB part of the French people a very _greaS amount 0 / _in-ense feeling towards Ireland . He was glad that such a feeling exiBted , and it would be the business of himself and those with whom he acted to encourage that sympathy , which was not _coafined to France alone , fir he believed that every nation , every enlightened man , and every statesman in the civilised world regarded the condition of England , in reference to Ireland , aB _entiroly analogous to that tt Russia in reference to Poland . H .-did not reject tho sympathy of nations so offend . He

      was happy to think that there was in this country , among the middle and humbler _claims , a very large _fliaount of sympathy for Ireland , and a desire that Irishmen should acquire the power they sought . Though he did not agree in all the points of the Charts r . he was happy to say tbat araoBg the Chartists , the 5 , 500 . 000 who signed the petit-ion to the hou _«« , there was scarcely an individual who did net sympathise with the cause of the Irish . { ' Hear , " from Mr _Feargus _O'CluuOr , ) He trusted that they wonld acquire political power for _ihtmselves , and they knew perftctly well that they ronld do so at no time with a greater prospect of success than when England was embarrassed in its relations with Ireland . Therefore fee trusted that the Irish wnnld receive that aid which _tfco ChartiBts—whether

      / r *» ia sympathy or political expediency—off . red tht m . He _a-rowed the sentiment that he had been instrumental in _atking his e _<' = un _? rjinen to arm _themselves . Under the _pretent circumstances of all countries in Europe it was the duty of every person to obtain the possession of arms . There was not a nation in Europe which did not make it part of its duty to instruct its _citisens in tbe use of arras , and it was the peculiar duty ofthe Irish people to obtain the possession and the use of arms at the time when the _government told them that they were _prepsred to crush the expression of opinion , not by argument , tat hy _fesfute fotep . If this were guilt , he avowed it . He advised this as much for preserving order as for acquiring liber'y . ( " Ob , ohl' ) Let him remind hon . gentlemen cf what took place in 1782 . It was no crime fer

      a pe < plo to enlist _theu-sdvfS in srmed array in resistance to foreign foes , and ia protection of their own liberty . It was by such armed array that the Irish _obtained that legislative indeptndeace which _EnglaEd accorded to it , by a compact which England _fubsequestl y _perfi-iious _' y violated . Ia or _^ er to shaw the _teeliagB and intentions of the body with whieh he acted , he read a _resolution passed at a late meeting ofthe Irish Confederation , which was to the following _iffttt : —that the _C-Bfederation repudiated , ae a gross calumny , the imp utation thrown en them by Lord JohB Russell , thatthe ol jet ef the Con _' ederation wt _» social _disorder , and tbe _violent _separation from Great Britain -, the aim having always _baen the _legislative _independence of Ireland , and thereby tho attainment of social order , and that they

      dtsired that sueh _independence should bo attained , if possible , without civil war . ( Laughter . ) If it were s uilt to counsel his fellow-countrymen to send to tbe _tnetrepoll * oflreland , a national council , virtually repre . suiting the country—he _cawd not whether by election or by such nom _. _nation a » would g ive , B *& to the eenti . _m-ntsofthapfople , composed of 300 individuals , they were acting on tho _fmrgrstioa thrown out by the late illustrious leader of tbe Irish p _? opIe , Hr O'Connell , and such a step _becamensceBsarj , because the Irish members in parliament—he wished to speak with r « = _pact of tbem tii not constitute a full and great exponent of the nation ' s _fsalings . They _represe-ate * only one Irishman in one hundred , and formed , therefore , not a true representation ofthe country . Therefore ic was proposed to

      send t _. i the metropolis of Ireland a body to represent tbe country , and with that body he would _recomm'nd the noble lord to enter into early negotiations for the purpose of effecting an amicable settlement of the questions now at issue between the two countries . ( Laughter . ) He wa « quits prepared , whtu he cme to that houee to-day , to be met by tiese intuiting sneers ; but they had no _. _ff-ctonhitn . _Hefsltthat the Irish would eventually succeed in their efforts , and that was n 3 t a fit subject for ridiCU'e . Tbe only thing against _tfeem was _precipitStion . If any portion of the Irish Repealers shonld lend themselves to the designs of tbe government hy any _ovtrt pet of _violeree , _thouah eventually they woald obtain the _emancipition of their country , yet that would retard it . On whom did ths government rely ? A question had been asked the ether night about tbe manufacture of pikes , and _tie noble lord at tho head of the government appeared to rely ou a detective police , and on men whose principle it was to allure men into crime for

      the purpose of betraying them . The noble lori also _relief on packed juries . If the noble lord relied on a free jury it would be impossible for him to ge t a verd _< cf . ( Laughter . ) Tfce uo ' tle lord was _ruuninga considerable risk in the _prosscutions wbich the government contemplated . If the nobis lord failed , thepr « ' _< Ve and _l _^ ence of the government wire overthrown , BBd he weald tali if there should ba one independent juror out of the twelv .-. ( _Liujh-. er . ) But if tbe noble lord should « nc ceed , what would he tff ct ? The notle lord knew the spirit air-road ; end , for every person convicted , there wouli be found 53 , 100 . or 1 , 000 , nho would consider It no disgrace 10 b-- so convicted to serve their country . A _decUratioa to the Loid Lieutenant , with 28 _^ , 000 signaturestoit _. hadbeen spoken of ; but the names of the parties signing ic were not known ; and it was by active solicititiou tbat many had betn induced to declare unqu 8 hi : _i confidence in tfce government . If s _*« r there should ba a conflict in Ireland , the gorernmeat

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      could plaee no reliance on three-fourths of the Irish . There wis a- time when the aristocracy could effect something in > _IrelaEd ; but they bad not that power now , whick Lord _Olanrlcarde would know jf he cfelled on the Da Burghs to follow him . Neither did he think that the Duke of Lelnster could get a single _partisan out of _bii own family , or that any man would follow Lord Ormonde in Kilkenny , though one of the mo-it amiable men in Ireland . Tbe noble lord at the bead ot the government must kuow that looking to the gentry of Ireland fir anything like support in a _uatianal struggle Was relying on a fallacious hope . In case tbese matters Bhould be sett ' ed by a resort to tbe last _eX-rsmity _, — wbich he ( Mr O'Brien ) earnestly and ardently depre . cated , —the _IrUh gentry would bo glad to compound

      With thedorainxnt psrty for saving their estates . Therefore the government could place 00 reliance on thero _. Neither could the govtrnmt nt rely on the Orangemen , a body of considerable extrinsic strength , for , by thi till ef the hon . member for _Drogbuda ( Sir W . Sommillr ) , the government was about to _di-prive them of their tenant right . Among tho _OraDgenien of the north of Ireland there _txitted a great deal of tbo spirit nf the United _Irishmen . lie most _urgently desired tbat t '> _e Orangemen should arm—that any portion ol Irishmen should obtain power to enforce their right . The government relied nest on the police force . It was 10 , 000 m-n « tr .. ng ; a fiae body , but entirely national . They _nere taken from the people , and were excellent for the preservation of order ; but if it came to a great _national

      struggle , the policemen in Ireland would be toe happy to obtain future reward and renown , if they were to act as the saviours of their country . ( Laughter . ) The government Best relied on the army . The _araiy at the present moment was an insignificant fraction of the whole nat ' on . During the rebellion , -153 000 armed troops were occupied in maintaining the possession of two or three counties in IreUnd ; and if it came to a straggle , which God forbid , the 26 , 600 froops in Ireland would not present any serious obstacle in the way of the Irish people . Ir land was divided into small fields , which made it aifSeult for cavalry and artillery to act . Therefore the _government had no just ground to place reliance on mere physical force . But be honestly believed that the _noTernmont could not rely on th _? army

      in Ireland . ( Loud cries of 'Ob ! ' ) He was persuaded tbat if there should bo a strug-le _to-morrsw , a very Urge portion oftho army of Ireland would _refuse to set _agaiest the people of Ireland , ( CrieB of' Oh , oh ! ' ) He _kr . cw not ths meaning of _liberty of speech , if he were hos allowi'd to speak on the . ie _subjects , lie would state what had been the object of his argument . He _nesd not flay that be treated nith utttr disdain the _attimp-g if tht government to put him down by _pranecu ' . _ioa . ( Laughter . ) But the _object of his argument had teen to show that if ever those two great countries , England and Ireland , should come into collision , tbe result of such collision wa 9 exceedingly uncertain —( ' Oh , oh ! ' )—snd ceuld not be _otherwise than ditas Tous to England iu any case . II England failed , Ene

      land henc .-forth weuld stand alone , snd it might not be unadvicable to consider what would be tbe condition of England with an indtpnidmt republic nn one side and an independent republic oa tbe other . ( Loud laughter . ) B'lt , if England _succeeded , it might desolate ihe conntry and distress its industry , but ic would ctiil bave Ireland fi disgrace for itself in the _iyts of all mankind . Under those circumstance ! , before tboBe _omiaous words ' too late' w _< re pronounced , striking the knell of Eno liah power in Ireland , he arivited the concession to the Irish of those rational rights to which tbey bad a claim by every title , human end divine . He had used no reserve on the present occasion ( Liughter . ) He shouU use no reserve in the end of these observations as he

      had used none in the beginning ; and when the noble lord told him tbat he ( Mr O'Brien ) was a traitor to the _Ctowb , he repelled the charge and retorted it . ( Laughter . ) He told the noble lord that if in the present position of Europe he _attempted , as _n-garded bis own fellow-countrymen , to crush all _tff _, rtg on the part of the democracy of this eountry to obtain those just rights which tbe democracy of other _countrL-a bad obtained and it , as regarded his ( Sir _OBrhn ' ii ) countrymen , he refused tbeir demand for self government—if the noble lord played here the part which G-ais ; t and Metternich had played iu their respective countries—thin he told tbo noble lord that itwas nut he ( Mr O'Brien ) but the noble lord and his colleagues that ware traitors to the country and the Queen .

      Sir G . Gbet then rose , and was greeted with loud cbeers . H- said , —After the long absence of the hon . _gentlemaa from this bouse , upon anting bim to-night rise the moment the second reading of the bill now before tho housB waa EiOTed , I entertaiaed some hope , albeit a _falntone , tbat the hon . gtntletn & n bad risen toC / isavow with indignation- —( lond _cheers)—wi-. h the indignation befitting a loyal subject of the Crown —( renewed cheere ) —the most foul imputations cast on h'B loyalty , not in this bouse , but in tvery newspaper circulated throughout tha realm for soma weeks past—to disavow , I say , with that fervent eloquence wbich _chsracteiises his addresses elsewhere , If not in this house—( a laugh )—the sentiments of disloyalty which havo been attributed to to him _iffrom no better feeling at least by virtue ofthe

      oath of allegiance wbich he has repeatedly taken to the _Sovereign of tbis country , ( Loud cheers ) What , then , was , I will not say ray _astonishment , but my pain and regret—a feeling , I am sure , chared by every other number of the house—( cheers )—te find the hon . mem ber repeating the same sentiments in this house , not with tbat boldness and daring wbich he assumes elsewhere , but accompanied with a miserable pretence aud lip semes of allegiance , and with & prof _siion of a faint shadow of loyalty to the Crowa , and bringing egainst my noble friend , for defending the constitution of tbis country , a charge of treason . The hon . g _* _mleroan had said , that in his absence , be has been called a traitor ; and he may thertin bave alluded to what I felt tmy duty to state tothe house the other night . For

      his absence I am not accountable—the causa ot that absence he can beat explain , ( Cheers . ) I did not call bim a traitor ; bat I read to the house a portion ot the report of a meeting ef the Irish Confederation—namely , the announcement made by Mr Duffy that ha had re . ceived a message from the hon , gentleman at Paris , in which he cast to the winds that _discouragin-r reply—( cheers)—he received from M . Lamartine , wbo with public virtue refused to encourage designs , be they seditious , or traitorous , or _loyal—aa tbo hoo , gentkman pretends—knowing that if he encouraged such designs he should he violating tin law of nations , and giving a good cause of war to Engtand against France . ( Hear , hear . ) I ask the hon . gentleman whether fee is prepared to disavow the truth of that _metsauo wbich Bir Duffy announced as having been sent from Pirit by him ?

      and which was to be the exponent of the sentiment of the _Fr-. nch nation , casting _asiie the language 0 / M . Lamartine ? ( Cheers . ) I ask the hon . gentleman whether he did say to the Irish club ac Paris , ' Every new proof of sympathy reuders un more able to serve the cause of our country . The satisfaction which we feel arises , above all , from the fact tbat we have found that there are at Paris IriJhmen who are determined to unite their efforts to those of tke Irish people is reconquering the national independence . Though we have been in France bit a few days , wa have , H 6 vertheles » , seen and heard enough to _Iiare the ? conviction , that the French nation is deeply moved hy lha indignities and sufferings we have endured . We have seen and heard enough to feel assured that , were Ireland to demand assistance , France would be ready to seed 50 , 000 of her bravest citizens to fight with her for liberty V

      Mr S . Bbieu . —Will the right hon . gentleman read the next passage ? Sir 6 . _Obei continued— ' We offer to the French out sineere thanks for their generous sympathy . . That sympathy may be to u § , later , a great _ussistasce ; but we feel tbat the liberty of Ireland should be conquered by the energy , the devotion , and the courage of her own children . ' Tho hon , gentleman , knowing the sentiments of li Lamartine , nevertheless writis to Mr Duff / , and says in iffect— ' We will , if w * can , institute a successful rebellion ; still , if we shonld ho worsted in the straggle , I promise the assistance of 50 , 000 _Frenchmen . ' ( HeBr , hear . ) I did hope tVat ihe hon . gentleman would have disavowed those attempt * _ehewbere imputed to him , to seduce the soldiers of this couniry _. the' police alBo , and

      to insinuate that they were disaffected to the Crown , and that as a body they would rise . ( Hear , hoar . ) I have aid tbat I did not call the hun . gentleman 0 traitor , but I did read that st atement made by Mr Duffy to the Irish Confederation . The hon . _gentleiaan diow bis own inference . ( Cheers , ) He said I called him a traitor because I read those sentimeBts . ( Renewed cheers . ) The house also drew its loferenee , ond I read that inference ia _unmistakcable language in those cheers whioh the honou rable gentleman received when he said , I was called a traitor . ' ( Loud cheers . ) Tbe hon g < -ntleman has referred to the feeling of the peop le of Ireland , but I dtny his rig ht to make himself the exponent of the loyslty of the people of that country . ( Cheers . ) The hon . gentkman has endeavoured to excite feelings ot

      _dissfketion to-night by introducing _hackneyed topic * , and has alluded to a bill , tending , as he says , to withdraw a privilege from the Orangemm or the north ot Ireland . Now , I tell the hon . gentleman tbat a large _pertlon of the north of Ireland is inalienably attacb . d to the Crown and constitution of this ct » Mltry . ( _GUf-ers . ) The hos . gentleman may receive such proofs as will con . vineefeia that that portion of the _population of _Ireland to which he has alluded will one and oil indignantly deny the right of tbe hon . gentleman , tobe the exponent of their f . _elings . ( Cheers . ) The hon . gentlemen has said the Chartists were with him to a man . I utterly disbelieve that also . ( Hearhear . ) Beside tbe

      , ton . gentleman sits a leader of the _Chort ' sts ( Mr F . O 'Connor ) , whs on Friday last expressed feelings and opinions very _dinVrentfrcm tho « e of tho hon . gentleman , declaring himself a friend of the Monarchy . ( Hear , hear . ) I believe that if any _parsoH _eudcavou" to get foreign assistance and ta seduce her Msjewy _' s _eubjecta from their _altegience , he will find himself miserably diseppo ' nted _, and there will aris » an indignant spirit of resistance ogaintt the hon . gentleman , and against the expression whioh he pretends to grae of the _foelings of the country , ( Rear , hear . ) Tho hon . gentleman bas _mitrtpresented the _iBteMionuaf the government towards Ireland . We have no such _feelings as he _altribates to

      u » , Wo desire to Bee the _Irith _jortion of tbo kingdom , while indissolnbly connected with u 9 , hsppy , and in tha enjoyment of that constitutional libeity whioh is _tte birthright of ev . ry _subjectofthe Crown , ( Cheera . ) In order to secure those blessings ws want tho real union of all _meu—and I rt ' olce to say that to a great extent _weposEeBS it—in opposing the miechievous objects ) of t > . hoa . _geatl-njua _' a associates : aud that is tfee beat _fi-tr , t <

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      _eecura the _realinterests , not of the Glowm and govemraent merely , but of the great body of tae people . ( Lend and r . peated cheers . ) ~ F . O'Connor said , as he _had'ba-an alluded to , ne wished to repeat the expression ! of an opinion which he had often urged both in ami out of that _fio-ise , viz ., that there was a power beliind the throne —the _veiceof the people—which should be gi eater than the throne itself ; but if the term' " . reason' were thrown in the teeth of auy _honourable member in that house , he begged to say tbat he had taken the oath of allegiance , and that that wouhl induce him to protect her Majesty ' s crown even against the _macliinationsof her Majesty ' s government . ( A laugh . )

      He was surprised that the descendant of Lord _^ m . RusseU should he the man to ferret out the law of Charles II ., in order to determine what treason and sedition were , and he certainl y thought , after the able and constimtional speech of the honourable member for Oldham the other night , that the government would have pause /] before proceeding further with this hill . He would he the first man to resist the invasion of a foreign army , and he might tell the right honourable baronet that he had refused to proceed with a _deputation to France - , hut if Ireland had hsen treated with justice , he asked the right honourable haronet how it was that so manv thousands had died of famine ? He knew the right honourable baronet did not like compliments , and he knew how liable they were to he misinterpreted ; but he must say that hut for that step which the

      right hon . gentleman advocated , in spite of the whims of some of the constit _uencies , hundreds of thousands would have perished in Ireland . But were the Irish always to be beggars at Britain ' s door ? He had that day witnessed a demonstration , and . thank God , it was a peaceable one . ( Great laughter . ) Did honourable gentlemen laugh at the idea of a peace _, able demonstration ? He rejoiced at it , but he would warn the right honourable baro :. _; et that if he suppressed the free _expression of public opinion , he would inevitably cause the formation of secret clubs and associations . ( Hear , hear . ) When the Confederation was dissolved in 1839 , two men went through the north of England and Scotland establishing secret clubs , with private signals and modes of commtmication . He ( Air O'Connor ) pursued them , hjwever . and drove them out of the

      country j and for himself he must say , that he never said or wrote anything of a political character which was not perfectly open and patent to Ihe world . He had never allowed the doors of any association to be closed against the press . And now they were going to prosecute tbe honourable member for Limerick , and if they obtained a conviction from an honest or dishonest jury , tfceir triumph would only be a weakness . What he _resetted was , that there was no constitutional opposition in the house . The opinion of this count' } -was wild , because it did not see itself represented in the house hy a constitutional opposition : and until it saw that opposition , there would be no bearing on the benches opposite . What he

      wanted was an opposition based on constitutional principles , opposing the government in their attempts to inflict laws of this kind . Was not this hill an infraction of the rights of the subject ? He knew of many members who had voted for the first reading 0 / this bill from courtesy . He ( Mr O'Connor ) was made of sterner stuff ; and , if he stood alone , he would move that tbis bill be read a second time this day six months . It was monstrous that with a starving multitude not a single measure was proposed for the amelioration of tlieir condition . When they asked for reform , they were met by _prosecution and persecution . As far as he was individually concerned , without asking _for the aid of a foreign

      power , without secret associations , without anything injurious or unjust , there was not a man in the country who would go farther to shake off the English yoke from the Irish people than he would . Many hon . members had adverted to the foreign circumstances now passing around us , but not one had told the house or the country , that in every foreign state where popular freedom had been achieved , that a free press and the liberty of speech was the firs * , because the dearest right contended for . ( Hear , hear . ) While the descendants and successors of Charles Fox , Richmond , and others , were using the opportunity for limiting , or altogether abrogating the very right for which other nations

      were contending , ( Hear , hear . ) He would characterise th's as a base , brutal , and bloody bill , and let them once close ihe safety valve for the free expression of pnbiic opinion , and the cauldron of corruption would burst around them . Did they hope to resist the mind ' s torrent by coercion in the nineteenth century ? or did they imagine that opinion would be trammelled while the nation was panting for liberty } This bill was an act of treason against the sovereign , and this was the first instance of a government presuming to attach the odium of its tyranny in its measures to the sovereign . ( Hear , hear . ) The right hon . bart . had risen like a veiled prophet to reply to the treason , as he called It , of the hon .

      member for Limerick , but the enthusiasm , the eloquence , and loyalty of an official , thumping that red box , had no effect upon his ( Mr . O'Connor ' s ) mind , as the true response to ministerial fervour was " Quarter day . " ( Hear , hear , and laughter _^) They were fond of precedent in that house , but they rejected precedent from their political predecessors-from Fox , _Richmond , and Erskinewhen those precedents were not calculated to aid thera in their acts of tyranny , and if there was no modern precedent for this atrocious blow at _lihertv , some precedent-loving official would take up this blue boob , and read as follows : —" Sir , I will now call the attention of the house to a precedent

      coming from no small authority , and one . which this house will do well to pause before it rejects , it bears , sir , essentially upon the present case ; I quote from the nine thousandth nine hundredth and ninetyninth of Nebuchaduazzor , the King of the Jews , when that monarch required a precisely similar measure to suppress Chartist violence and ireason . " ( Laughter . ) Was this the promised fruits from reform ? Was this the realisation of popular hopes and Whig liberty ? Was tbis the reward of seven years peace amid pestilence , famine , and death ? Or will this be tolerated , as the mind's extinguisher , by those

      who are determined to achieve their rights ? He knew not what may be the feelings of tliosa Irish members who usually followed in the wake of Ministers , but he would again repeat , that he trusted it would spur his countrymen to throw off the foreign yoke altogether . If he stood alone , he would use all the forms of the honse to resist the progress of this monster ; he would interrupt its passage hy every constitutional form , hecause it wa 3 a violation of the constitution , a » d if he stood alone and without a seconder , he would now move that it be read a second time that day sis months .

      Mr G . _Thompson expressed his heartfelt grati 6 oatlon that tho proceedings out of doors to-day had beea cha _raet . rieed by peaoe and order . ( ' Hear'and cheers . ) It muet be satisfactory to every member of tb » t house tbat instead of labouring under the apprehension of _eoDflict oat of _deors , they were assembled to-night in peace and _quUtnesB . ( _Htar _, hear , ) He hoped the people would sie that tba best means of attaining their just rights was by conducting _themstJvcB in an orderly and peace _, ablii manner , by _avoiding auy conflict with tbe authorities and hy abstaining from any violence te persons or property . ( Hear . ) Wiib regard to the bill now before the house , which he considered to be one of more _importance thaa any that had beea brought before the

      house within tbe last century , he mu » t say ho thought it had been inttodueid with undue and unbecoming haste . The object of tb . Bt bill was to render the speaking , oocnly and advisedly , of _werds _auvcting the Integrity of the British dominions a felony , He would warn the house cot to adopt Bueh a measure precipitately , and to beware lest by doing so they eunoMed felony , and converted what was intended to be a badge of degradation aud infamy into a badge of honour and rtnown . In the clause of thiB bill which _propoBtu to Tender ' open and advised speaking' felonious , no less than alee or ton offences wero enumerated which were to be rendered felonies . It was _diekred to he a felony to meditate tho deprivation oi Htr Majesty of any of the honours and

      titles « he now enjoyed—to wre 6 t fiom Her _Mfjcsty any portion of t _*> e dependencies of the Crown—to levy war against the Crown—to overawe the Parliament— to incite foreigners to make war either upon the united king _, dom or upon any patt of Her _Majosty'e possessions—to print , to write , or to speak certain _maturs , _atd to do any overt act or dei d counectcd with the subjects _previously recited . Ho opproved of this bill _» o far as it tonded ! to _place in another category of crime oertain _offeiees hitherto puniBhed aa treason ; but he hoped the government , would be induced to abandon tho clauBe to which he had referred , by which It was proposed to mako open and advised speaking a felony , Hc could not support a measure which would gas the mouthe of tbe people , and prevent them from _expressing thiir views on

      political questions . He certainly . never anticipated that tbo gentltmcn who now sat upon tho ministerialbenchea would have been so recreant to the principles thvy _profeBscd when out of offioe _sb to _propose a measure of this nature . It waB said that this measure waB rende » _sd necessary h y ' the state of Ireland ; bnt ho _wc-nU _t > sk whether it wan fair that the "hole _pe-pulatW oi Gr . ak _Bfltohi 6 _bould be _gagged in _conseimenoe of the indiecr etion of a few persons In Dublin , or _> _perhaps , of a " few person * in London t There was no doubt _tl- _. at tbo discontent manifested not only by a large , ' proportion of the people of Ireland , hut dIbo by a large proportion of tho people of this country ; had led thc , government to introduce this _measuro ; and it was lava . > wably the case that whea _e a _& xerumeBt _Ual H 8 gleute . i

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      the just claims of the people to their rights , and bad ezciteS tbeir indignaticn by a denial of those rig hts ; they then came forward with measures of coercion . The presen _* government had refused to _rdiove dissenters from church rates—Vh » y had _refused any revision of _taxutton— they had refiuod to equalise the income-taxthey had ; so far adhered to the _cochin ? of finality thnt tbey had refused any extension of political rights to any portion of the community ; and , when the _peopil * announced their intention to _asBomblo at Kennington to petition the legislature on some of these subject ' , what _t » a _* the conduct of the government % Ha waa _satisfi d that no Christian man could have read without a shudder the _accounts given in the pipers that morning of tho _preparation made by Her _Mnjesty ' _e ministers , ( Cries

      of -Oh , obi' ) Such _precautions were never necessary in a country wbich was wisely _nnA justly governed They wero uot _necessnry in Franco ( laughter , snd crlos of ' Oh ! ' ) until a Gu z it became minister ; but it aeoratd unhappily that they were necessary in the metropolh of the _Btiiish empire , and under a liberal govern _, ment . ( Renewed cries of 'Oh !') They might reu assured that thero was n cause for tbe discontent which lod to the adoption of such precautions . The hon . membor for _Nottiwbnra ( Mr O'Connor ) would never hove been supported hy such numbers If there had net been injuitico « omewbrre ; all thepower and influence of that honourable ( _fentlenun were attributable to the _wroagu which the psoule _aufF-ired at the hands ofthe legislature . He was ready to admit that if the government approbonded danger they were justified _lu tho _precautiono they had taken , but be believed tbat if the assemblage

      nnd procession had been permitted every thine- would have passed off quite as peaceably as bad _happily been tho _caso . They had lately seen the progress of enlight . ened freedom throughout the whole contincn _* , and tke government _hxd not only commended but had professed to sympathise with that _movement ; yet the moment a desire _was _manifested by the working people of this country to obtain their jest rights the government cama down with a gagging law . As he unders _t ood this bill , a mau delivered his opinions upon governments in tbe abstract , Upon the origin of human _gorernmonte , upon the purpoaea and deMgns of human _govtrnmen-s , or expressed his preference in the absir . ict for a republic as compared with the monarchy , he woeld he liable to t >» arraigned as a felon , snd if convicted to be trans _, ported . Ho hoped tho government would see the neces . sity of striking the words _opfen and avowed speaking ' out of the Mil .

      Sir B . 11 all after stating his surprise at Mr Thompson ' d _opposition tothe bill , _proceeded to make an attack upon Mr O'C _innor . He said he did not intend to follow the hon . gentleman who had just eat down tbr > ugh the whole of his very _discuwive speech ; but lie must express his surprise that the hon , mem be-r had come to the conclusion to vote against the second reading of this bill . Hu _nnderBtood the boa . _gentleman to say tbat although there were come words in the third _elauso to which ha entertained _Btrong objection , he waa ready tn give the other provisions of the bill his hearty support . He ( Sir B . Hall ) would suggest to tho bon . gentleman that he nhould _voitt iu favour bf the second reading , and propose the omission of the words to which he ohj cttd in committee . He ( Sir B . Hall ) considered that the

      government would have been wanting in tbe duty they owed to their Sovereign nnd to thc state , if they _h-id not asked for powers to atop tho treason and sedition which had lately _baen riffl . ( Hear , hear . ) The ppe _. ch of the hon . member for Nottingham ( Mr O'Connor ) had be n marked by great loyalty on the e . ne ha « _- _' , aad hy strong- condemnation of government on tbe ether . H < ( Sir B . Hall ) had Keen in this honse ever sinoo that hon . gentleman was first elected for the comity of _Cork _, sixteen years ago ; and hs must do the hon . n . nnher the justice to _sny that he had never heard him _sxprras-any opinions which _intim-eted a desire to depose the So roreign tr to subvert the monarchy . He ( Sir B . Hal !) wished , however , in no unfriendly spirit , to giv « \ h » hon . gentleman an opportunity of avowing or disavowing

      certain opinions which had been ascribed to him within _thelast few days , and which were at variance with the _opini' _-ns be professed in that h » us 8 . Ho ( Sir B . flat ! j held in his hand a paper called the _Nouthess Stab , of which the hon . gentleman had in that house avowvd himself to be the proprietor , and in which , so lately as last Saturday week , there appeared a letter _purporting tobe written by the bon member . Ho ( Sir B . Ilall ) must do the hon . gentleman tho _justice to _s _* y that , throughout the whole of that letter , he did not tell the people to _i- _» _sort to _othwf than moral force ; but he ( Sir B . Hall ) _wished to give bim an opportunity of _explaining the mo & n _' nu of tbo words he was about to read , Tho bon . gentleman _addressed a letter to the'Old Guardt ' ( laughter ) , in which he Baid , _'OldGuirds' I have

      roceivrd several letters warning me of the danger of joining in the procession , but this is my answer to ouu and all , —that I would much rather be taken a corpse from _xmidst tbat procession ( alaugh ) tban dishonour my « eli , _diseraoemy country , and desert you by remaining away _. Old Guards , the charges agaiast me by theemmy hava bean _num-rous _, butoowardieo has never been one of tham . B it as to republic ov monarchy , hit tha power behind the throne he grea'er than the throne itself , let labour select Ua own representatives annuilly nnd pay tbem honourably ( 1 laugh ) , and 1 do not care whether you put the Popa , tho D _^ vll _, or the Pretender npon tbe throne , ( laughter . ) Let the p » ople be thu base of the _superstructure , and I care nit three straws what the _figure head may ba . ' ( Ories of ' Hear , hear , _and'Oh , oh . ' J That wan not hastily _spokan , but deliberately written . The hon . member would do well _.

      in addressing great public meetings , not only to instil Into mm ') minds that they should endeavour to attain their rights by moral and not by physical force , but to read a short sp * eeh _delivered not many days ago by une of _> he most eminent man in the most enlightened country in tho world , a speech _delivered by Mr Wclcker at Heidelberg , to a 1 ergo assembly desirous of an ext _* n « ion of their rights—a speech in whieh that gentleman _aaid In » _uVatance , ' Do not let ua _mistake licenve f r liberty . ( Hear , hr ar . ) l > o not let us imiglne lhat beeauso mueh msy require to be remodelled , nil must he overthrown . _( _Ht-ar , hear . ) Lit us take England bs our model . She baa free _institutlons , hor people bave greatp . > H : ioalpii » ileges ; she alone remains proud and pre- & minea & amongst the natioos ofthe world , whilst all around h « - is a wreck . ' ( Cheers . ) D : _siring to see this country maintain that proud position , he ( Sir B . Hall } should eupnor 6 the proposition of tho gov- rnment ,

      l £ r 0 Connor _begged to remind the _aoaao _tliat the hou . baronet ( Sir B . Hall ) himself allowod , th-Jt tho lettor of two columo . _1 , from which ho read two sen toucan was taken up with _recommendatlone to rely on moral force alono The two _passages which had _buon rend he ( Mr O ' Connor ) avowed ; tb « y were ia accordance withall his writings ( hear ); and ho defied the hon . bjronet to show tbat he bod ever breathed anything but strict obedienc _.-i to the law and moral _foros . Mr Home repeated the obj _.-otions to the * gag ? ing ' clause of this bill which he had stated on 0 former even _, ing . We are now going to re-enact for _Englan 1 and Ireland the law of _leaslng-making , which we had

      repeal » d for Scotland , and under which Mule and fine other Scotoh patriot ; had boen banished from their natlvo country . If we _piused aueh a law , wo- sbould have the same secret meeting ) and espionage nhicii we had in tha bad yeara subsequent oa the outbreak ofthe first French _levolmion . _Wuilst he said this , he did no : think it fitting that we should have a Nitimal C _lave-ntion permanently sitting in judgment on Piriianient . He called on Ministers , instead of passing new , to put in force the existing laws . They had power to put diwn delegation , and he advised them to exert it , E _> ° ery place ought to bave its distinct meeting , and should not _dehgnte its power to a distant body ,

      Tbe Solicito & . Oeneb ' ai . supported the bill . It was not intonded to _repress privato speaking , bnt only , ' open and advised speaking , ' recommending the levy of war up _^ n her _Mnjisty , As personal notoriety was one ofthe strongest motives for ¦ these _treasonable exhibitions , he thought thnt this bill wouli put a atop to them for tho man who might reckon upon sympathy as a ttaltor was not sure of meeting Una a felon . Hr Hum : had complained that the government had made use of a _cltuse In an act of Charles II . for stopping persons who had _tttt-eateued to bring up a petition with hundreds of thou _, sands of men ; and the government were supposed to inttnd to ase the whole of the act , and prevent more than twenty person * _Bigning petitions . It was clear from tho decision of herd _MansBeld , in the case of Lord George Gordon , that the clause in the act ot Charles

      II . relating to tumultuary assemblies was not re . pealed ; but it would be ridiculous to contend that be . cause Ministers thought proper to avail themselves of that portion of the act they must he supposed to coiacide In ail the doctrines contained in the statute . The hon . member for Montrose was mistaken ia supposing that the case of ifufr and Palmer bore auy analogy to those whieh would come within the purview of tho measuro proposed by the government ; the cases , were perfectly distinct . Ho had felt It _neceaaury thus brie-fly to explain that what was meant by ' _opsu and advised speaking ' was _lsngunge used in tbe most open roanntr , with tho view of inciting persona to levy war 0 gainst her Majesty , or against Parliament , for the purpose of inducing it to alter measures whioh it believed ta bo conducive to the welfare of the atate .

      Mr _Unae . —• 'Will tho hon , ana learned gentlemen _Btate whether open and _advlaod speaking was ever be » fore made a felony t Tho Solicitor General , _—Itfa treason . Mr Hl'MB , —Treason ! _WhaA statule makes It so % The _SoticiToa GeneeiIL , —© pen and avowed _speakliug , followed by ah overt aot , is treason . ( ' Oh _? and « Hear , *) The other spoaher * In , favour of the measure , hot several of tbem with qualifications as to tbo Djter-ation or _omUpion in committee of the gaggiat ? clause wero Sir It . Ingli _" , Mr Anstey , Mr Agllonby , "iord Nugent . _TirT , "Wood , Captain _AreijoaVl , Mr B _, _fcrwamiona _, and Mr Horsman ; thoso against the motion altogether Mr O < borne , Dr Bowriag _, Mr Mun-z . Mr Bright , Mr J . O'Connell , Mr S Crawford , and Mr Wakley , the latter hen . gentleman expressing his _Indention , _nnUaa the ornoxioua provisions were removed , to throw every possible _obatnution ia tbo way of tho _pror-regs ofthe _measure .

      Lord 3 . RuSaELi _thought th _^ the . _woida objected to in the clause about ' openly and advisedly speaking ' wero absolutely essential , and explained the object with which they wero Introduce 6 in tho same terms whieh ho used on Friday night . It was on account of tho _caeitemeat and ! _esr now pxcv ailing Cut government iutro . duood this bill . While ho relied generally on the spi » it of the people to . _wpo » e _smm machinations , ha _sould net fcva « ti that _Uvwe _.-aaa'jaa _nedBHer _eiasi _« Wv » w «» _par-

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      t icularly interested in tbe speedy ceMation of such excitement and _suah fear . The working classes wore notrr ? _xposed to danger by the _vacltemeuts-addressodto them .. Ought wa not , then , fo endeavour to put an end to » tb * m , and to punish those who by urging tbe wr . rkJDjrr classes M _breaobea of the p * ac « , and to the 1 _vjing off war _agiinsf our _fni'i- _'jtions , were putting in jeopardy f h * ir _dearest iut . r « 8 t _« i ? H . i 'Ilea adr _« . rt » d to tho staid ,, _mfijestic . noblo conduct ef the people , and to the _attachemwitand love for their Institutions which thry had _6 I » r _hibit-d that morning ; itwas _owisg to the respect

      _aaeSteonfidnnce which thai peonU reposed in the _foro » at the * 1 command of tho government that government had beea ' , enabled to keep tbe peac _» , which It would have no mora 1 been able to keep _i « i > _hout it _thsn the government at > Berlin , _Miiao , and Vienna . When we contrasted cur ' sUuati- > w _*« we how _atevod . with ouv situation as -t _mfghC _bavebi-en , had tVie result been _'' . ifferrnt , there was nO > man but mu . it highly value tbe _insiitutiona on uhich the comforts and the happiness of tho _p-ople so mainly depended . In conclusion , he stated , thnt if he _coulet _believo that th * _Iir-ertias oi thc people would bo _infringed by thia bill , Ve would net be a _consonttnu party to it

      The house then divided , whin the second _reae'ing wss carried by n nmjori'y of 417 , the number * being 452 to 3 ** - , On tbe question that thft hill bi at onee committed , a further discussion arose , Mr Gakdnee , _afti-r very consfd » rable _difficulty , obtained n hearing , and then only after having moved and wienrawn a motion for the _atiV _joiirnreunt of the home airain » t tho bill . Mr Hchk moved as nn amendment that the bill 6 s _comaiittifd lhat day week , when the _fenus _* again divided —for the _amendment 33 , against it 230 , majority , 197 . It was then moved tbat tbe bouse do _o _^ jnurn , _wbfn » furtbor division ' 00 k place , for the motion 26 , against it * 228 majority . 202 .

      After some further .-itsrn _^ vl' _-n tbeh * _uae attain _dlvMoa on the qu _. stion of _adjournment , —ayes , 24 , noes , 213 , majority , 180 ; when the bill was ordered to be committed on _Tueiday at twelve _o'ol ck , the house sitting specially at thai hour for the _purponc . The latter part of tho sitting : wa * marked by great 'Xcit * raeat , and the house did not rise tin half-nan ono o ' clock . _/ TUESDAY . AraiL 11 . HOUSE OP LOUDS . _—Fobeionebsik Londoh . —The Puk » of Beaufubt said , the noU- Mnrquis ( l _. _nnstlowne _*^ had called attention yesterday t- _tlm number of _foreignorsin London , an J he wa ? informed that persons in hieh official situations and other _foreigners w _< r * now in » ha metropolis . He hoppd this country would ever main-Uin tho _charoctar which _ehe had 1 njoyed a _« i a _rtfoga for those who were driven from their own _ennn-ry bymisfortune . Ho believed , _however , _thtt it w . _ispnrfi-cly notorious that during the riots wtolnh took p ) » c _*> t » fc

      _Barlin emiesanes from the French eapital were seen eo » couraging the poople ; ind in _I-aly the tame thing hod occurred . A * trong opinion prevailed , moveovcr , tbat suoh persons wero in this o » untry prior to tha _p-esentation ofacotainpotiiion yesterday in the _otherhouneof parliament , and ho wished , _therefore , to know whether , since the _ri-peal of the All * n Act . there was any power in _thebsndsof _thegovi-rnmen-e-nabling lbs _re-movalof _foroianiTB . and if 9 _uoli _puwtr did not _eiist . whether it wa » the intention of tho government to take any aleps la r » fer _» nce to the matter ? There wbb , ulso , a society _callad tho _National C _> _rmntion , which n » _ve > r had beett recognised b y tho goverum nt , bus still-the society existed , and it _sppr-nred to him that the « i « _toDceoftbaB " society ought to be token iato con « Meration , and ha shouM like to know whethor the government had anjr inUnlion o' taking measures to put _down tV . at society f / _Hi-ar , h "» r . )

      Tbe _Maquis of Law < d <> wnb said , thnt witb re _»)» eo _6 tothe first _que-stlon , be was desirom of _glring the mon ! _satisfactsry answer . There wero no provisions nt pr - _ssnt , by _mewis of whieti the conduct of aliens in this country could bo controlled , oth _. _rwise than as her Majesty ' * _subjects ; but In answer tothe _ques-lon whetrer it was th _« Intention of her M _» je 8 _'j ' * go » ernmen _* to take any step on the _sulj . _'ct _, h » held in b < s _Vand a bill which h " . proposed laying on the table to obtaiu power for tbaC purpose . Althou .-h it w _» a not necessary for bias to _prafaea any application for laying « uck a bill on the tabl . _% he jot hoped , ' under 'he peculiar circumstances , and with a view to the _expediency of _p-iising that bill _intoa law as speedily ns _ronveni _* nt , hn might he permitted to make a very few _observations . ( H * ar , h ? nr . ) Tho neble

      marquis proceeded _; I am tho last person to wish that there Bhould exist ony permanent law in this country _prescribing ihe conduct , or prohibiting the residence of any _foreigners , otVcr than the _usuel Hws which exist with _re-p » ct to all her _Mij » sty ' s subjects , and 1 have baforeb _» _eniB 8 trumcntal in procuring a _modificition of the law on that subject ; but I certainly _sim of opinioa that , deairabl « a * itis that this country _should , upon al _ocousions , afford _ho-pit _* lity to all thoso for _.-ianers , whether monarchical , c institutional , or republican _^ who may visit Uh > r « shores , and who coma _prepared to obey the law sand to aot the pars of obedient subj- « ev during tho _residunce tbey obtain und # r the favour 01 tbo Jaw , —whilst I think this desirable , I cannot _concealfrom myself , wben I see the _cnu . i ' eB now in

      _operationwhen l « eo the _increase ! number of _foreigners in London—when I regard the _peeuliar circumstances under _whie-h they have recently vUired this country—when I know they come under various influences , and those not the aoeustou > ed i _flueuees of pleasure or business , but _innueBCos of a totall y different description I Oftnw > e but think ic fit that tbe government should have vested * _, in them the power , for a limited tim ? , in crtaiu eases , to compel the _departure ef any such persons _bb they may think fit . ( Cheers ) lam authorised to state than such is the opinion of ths Lord-Lirut _» nant of Ireland , a « well aa the rest of her _Mij-sty ' _s government * ( Cheers ) Wh _^ n I hear It proclaim » d avowedly _thatt there are a number of these persons prepared ta take a part _( n the internal r . ff * ira of this _cauntry—* bove all , whenlh * ar it _proclaimed hy a _psrson who would be > equally guilty if misteartiug _I-is _fellon-iuM-cts ia this

      respect , that thera are forty or fifty thousand person * frosa a neighbouring foreign natl-n . _prepared and de-9 irou _« _i-f taking an opportunity ot * upsetting the _government of thiB country—when I hear those assertions made , and don ' c know _thaextmt to which they aro true—but when I know thera are crowds < f persons resorting t » this country , whose motives can ' c at this moment be ascertained , xt io , I beller » _, the duty of the _goTernroent and tbe _parliament to stand armed in this respect _agalnBB any _exig-mcies that may _nrino . ( Cheer ? . ) I d _.-sire in-rely to state tho groun Is on which I wish to lay tbis * bill oa the table ; gnu , if your lordships approve of ir ,. I shall propose the reading _ofit a _scoud t : m _< on Thursday next , and ask your _lorlships to proceed with it with m li « l « delay as _possible ( L-ud cheers ) The noble . _¦ _n _arquis was understood to decline _anstveriag the _secoat ! _quastion as to the National _Convention .

      The Eirl of _MAismsBHaY thought the time wis coaia when foreigners visiting ehU couutry should be under - peculiar _Mirveillanca ; bat he knew lhat _sever-il foreigners In London , among \ ihom was Prince Louis _Buonapajte , had offerad their assistance to the government _toprescrva the pence yesterday . ( Hear . ) _Affaibb of Italy —Lord Ba-uon & M then moved for the _pro-iue-ion of _ierthin _eorr-cpondence betwetn the British government aad thai of Sar . _iiuin . The _noblalori _seiz -d the opportunity to piss in _review a portion of tba

      rfcim _t _erentj wh'ch hare agitated Europe , and especially _singed . out tho Kin ; ? of Sardinia and the P . me aa tha obj _cts of his attaek . He then passed on ti Paris , and declared that he looked with far more dread at what was _p-wsiug there tban at tho events which had taken placo itx Italy , Ho entertained personally tba greatest respect for several of the _illmtnous men who formed part of int * provisional government , bat if he wore a « ked _whether ho hod any eonflloneo in th-m , _ttoverned as they are by tbo multitude , be must confebs he fel ; no _eonahoc ' e ia them at all .

      Tho _Mirquls of _Lansoowne would not attempt te > follow the noblo lorl into the rarie > _U 3 details ot _fcla speeoh , bat had no objection to produce the papers la question . Their lordships then adjourned . THE H 0 * J 3 E OF COM _MOM met Rt twelve o ' elocfr , for the spreiaJ purpose of proceodiDg with the Crown and _Givernment Security Bill ; Previous to proceeding to business , hot-ever , Mr S . O'Brien wished to ask the rl * ln hou . gentleman thu Se * . cretnryfor the Hone Department , _whether ho had given _, directions that tho letters of Repealers _passing thiougtx tbe Past _e-ffico sbould bo op « ned , f .. r he ( Mr 0 _* Brien ) _hs 4 thit rooming received a letter which hud evidently been opened **

      Sir O . _Guey - . I can give the _teost _unqualified contra--diction to any such B 83 » rtion . ( Cheers . ) No order of the kind has been given or is in contemplation . If tha hoa gentleman has _rocilvnd a letter _w-hlch baa _beeaopeuad , I should recommend him to apply to the _Pjsinm-tcr . G < mer .- » l immediately , aud inquiry will be me da into the circumstance . _CSOWS ADD _GOTSBNMEHT SrOPBITY Bill . — On tho order of tho day for going iatocominiiteo on this bill , Mr F . O'Connor said , _hehal _sil-eady stated hiff iatention , _upsn the intvesduction of t us _Ivll , to give it all the opposition wbiuh tho forms of the houa _^ wonld permit ; , and , ia _pursuance of that notice , h e bow rose to moot it ia ita present _stiga . lie bad already presented a _petition , signed by thousands cf _^ he people of this _rii- & tropolis , against the bill , and he knew very well that if time were afforded to the c » untry afc large to express an opinion upon it , tha

      table of the kou & _j would ho covered tvit ' _i similar petitions . ( Hear , bear ) _Andalthmg'i it _badbiett stated by some bos . members that it was thcirintention to look fw Bome modification * , and to propose _aomo _alterataona of this _bi-1 , he _looked upon it as bo unconstitutional in it 3 _principle that ho shou'd give the house an opportunity of _expressing its opinioa upon it ia every ataae . It was notorious that for many years Mm p _.-inojoles cf _ti-o right hon . baron 6 * themetaber fer _Tataw-rth ( Sir R P * el ) had bee acted upon by the present < jnvf rnment , v z ., ' that o _»

      ornt 5-a ! i »»» B all power wi _' - hm tha Hi . ua- ! ot Com . _nions ; and tbo effect < f 'be centralisation < d' that _, power wichia the _lji'iise of Commons w . 93 to _destroy tbe iniluence o ( _pub'So _m-etiugs _, public writing * , and public _speafcitig _otitnide Hie ( louse ot ' Cinaj as . ( _Ilenr . hear ) They were perfectly awa < _etuu ( , in Spain , for _instnjiee , where tho elective franchise waa limited ts about 96 000 of ths population ( which waa very large ) the country tra _.-i 0 mtinrally in a statu of _oonvnlsicw I nnd tha _tmentes which had taken placo in _Franse were the result ofa similar cause . ( Hear * _te _. _SX- ) V < i , < _8 S i _® Mts were c _« _fii > oijt _^ \ n _tjeev _^ _cSutS

  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), April 15, 1848, page 3, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/ns3_15041848/page/3/