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      _« ,::: V : - ' Glasgow , June 25 th , 1850 ; i _.-JHfeDEAB Editqb , — -I have been directed _hj-tho Cpmmittee of the Glasgow . Chartists _to'ti _^ fasmit to you , _'thefimcIosWirepbit of a _ibse _& g , . got up in Paisley , ; hjr . the opponents _otMti _. O'Connor , on the 17 th p lt _^ and which -iwissattended by a number of his friends from ©] u _«^ V _/ !' ' _^ e wonld _lfte iw inuch _;; of ; _flu 8 _re-^ _rt ias _& ied as you can ; but I have heen im _aerajfiyeta instructed that the report is to he

      _^ _Sbame _^ Je me ; when yqu . havedone . with it , _asrthey requiretit for another purpose , and had _t-gt _^ _fuqe to take another copy . _Meetinga of a _eittUar nature are to come off next _Wednesday-and- Thursday here , of which we will send you faithful reports . Mr . _O'Connors friends are notfidle in preparing for those meetings . _^ J _6 y paying particular attention to this note , you _^ will oblige the Chartists of Glasgow . '¦ - Tours , . , Mm , _Browk . ! Democratic Hall , 48 , Nelson-street , Glasgow .

      PUBLIC MEETING AT PAISLEY . A bfll appeared , on the 15 th of June , announcing 3 meeting to be held on the 17 th of June , in the _Exchange Rooms , which was headed , " Charges against Mr . O'Connor ; " stating , _als » , that Messrs . _Cochrane , Adams , and Harley were going to prefer them , Ao . Tbe bill was signed "James Wilson . " On the night of meeting , after the committee . _4 x ., had taken their seats , it was proposed that Mr . James Wilson take the chair , whicb , being _seconded , . . . .

      Mr . _Asobbw _Hobebtsos moved as an amendment , — " That Mr . John Howie should preside , " and referred to his late conduct as chairman when Mr . O'Connor was in Paisley last , as being a guarantee fbr fair-play- to all concerned . " - The amendment being seconded , was put to the rote , and carried by a considerable majority . The Chaibmas read the bill calling the meeting . Mr . _BbBBBisox came foward and said : I rise to order , to put it to the meeting if they consider it fair that those three , whose names are on the bill , . -should take up the whole time of the meeting , without affording an opportunity to reply to their statements ; and he proposed , — "That each -speaker be allowed twenty minutes alternately , and that otber friends from Glasgow be allowed to speak , as well as Adams , & c . "

      : resolution was seconded / and , on being put , was carried by a large majority . After tbe Vote , it was contended pro . and eon , for the bill arrangements , and the resolution . Amidst -ike confusion , Mr . _PixEEBTOXcame forward and said , there was a rule for peace , viz . — - " As ye would that others should do unto , you , do ye even so unto them . " Be then observed , that any party could call a legal meeting . That was a legal meeting , and he con--tended for tbe right ofthe programme being spoken to before any other individual be heard to the contrary ; and asked where they had ever seen such a course adopted ? IA person in the body of the hall shouted out , - "Adams in Glasgow . " )

      . Mr . CdcHBASB then came forward and said , that independent ofthe resolution he wonld not be committed to . time , and that he would remain firm to -the published order of the proceedings , in defiance of the motion : to order . ( Shonts of " Cowardly , . _&} . " ) Mr . C . then proceeded to state , tbat it was with' the greatest reluctance he . came forward to _defend himself against the charges preferred against him by Mr . O'Connor , and also to prefer charges against Mr . O'Connor ; but as Mr . O'Connor had -often said , "he never seeks the battle , nor shuns it when' it comes , " he referred to his letter of challenge to Mr . O'Connor , and his getting no _answerf ( The letter h published in the Glvusgow Saturday Post of 25 th May , 1 S 50 , third edition .

      , ( Considerable interruption , and shouts of "became " himself , & c . " which led Mr . Cochrane to refer to his meeting him on the platform , and contending ihat the meeting was not agreeable to the terms of his letter of challenge . ) He then proceeded to state , -that when he left London all tbe people were in a state of enthusiasm about the 10 th of April proceedings , and that several districts continued to send their delegates to the _National Assembly , till Mr . O'Connor ' s letter appeared in the Star , ofthe 22 nd April , 1848 , composing an Assembly of more than forty-nine delegates . He ( Mr . Cochrane ) then declared that he had been elected by five thousand people belonging to Paisley , as delegate to the Assembly , and tbat they were unanimous in

      sentiment against Mr . O'Connor ' s letter . He next spoke of Mr . O'Connor praising the Home-Secretary , in these words : — " Thau whom a more tender-hearted man breathes not . " He then animadverted on Mr . O ' Connor s opinion of human nature ; and denounced the policy of praising . such a man ; and stated it was the expressed opinion of the Convention that it was wrong . Mr . Cochrane next adverted to Mr . O'Connor ' s statement , that the Convention had cost him £ 150 of expenses . He referred to his being on the finance Committee , and his being willing to pay his share of the sum if it wai-true . Then he went into a statement to show that they were only £ 40 iri debt instead of £ 150 , and that it was taken out

      ot the funds raised to defend Mr . O Connor ' s right to sit In Parliament . . He next adverted to the printer having consulted his solicitor , with a view to compelling the payment of £ 40 , due to him for Erioting , when it was agreed that each place that ad sent a delegate to the Convention should raise £ 2 , and that £ 2 had been forwarded by him from Paisley . [ The statement referred to above is as follows : — "Did you hear the d— fools , how they cheered me . " ] Here he commented on Mr . O'Connor s treachery in making public the sentiments of a private conversation . ( Cries of "hear ; " "his time is up , " ic , which again created a little confusion . ) Mr . Cochrane , on order being restored , began to descant on the anxiety of the Convention

      to form a union with the Irish , and stated , tbat a deputation , consisting of Messrs . Kydd and Leaeh , was sent over , and cordially received by ' them , but that Mr . O'Connor ' s attack on Mr . Duffy ' s , letter stood as a barrier in the way ; but few words to suit a purpose were used . ' ( Cries of " read , read . " } Mr . Cochrane attempted to speak again , and said they ought to havehailed them . ( _Gties of" read . " ) The sentence was theniead , which seemed , from the applause that followed , to give general satisfaction . ) He , ( _Mri _Cotirane , ) went on to speak of the two reasoris _assigned by Mr . O'Connor for desiring th e . _'delayjf the _National Assembly . - —1 st . Ite illegality , ; 2 nd . He ( Mr . O'Connor ) wanted to see what would be the effect of the new infusion

      of _members' -frOmamongst the middle and shopkeeping _chissps ; before the holding of the Assembly —discoursed on Mr . O'Connor ' s ignorance on these two _poihts _^ referred to the Scottish Convention in Glasgow—the Parliamentary and Financial Reform Convention a few weeks since , and the Anti-Cornlaw League . " He then referred to the strong language employed by Ernest Jones and others , when moving the petition forHhe liberation and restoration of Frost / Williams , and Jones , as an evidence that the * government was not going to interfere—repudiated the idea of waiting to see if the middle classes were likely to join , and closed on this point , by sneeringly asking , what was the use of dissolving one Convention _^> f forty-nine

      delegates merely to elect another Convention of fortyrune delegates ? ( laughter , cheers , and hisses . ) He next referred to the numerous letters coming tothe Assembly , some praising , and others _condemning the conduct of Mr . O'Connor . Mr . Cochrane next alluded to the fact , that they had sent to see if Mr . O'Connor was still of tbe same mind . The answer returned was , that he was determined to stand by . his former declaration . The result of the difference between the sixty _delegates who came ultimately to the Assembly , and the one hundred that' were elected and expected , was

      attributed to Mr . O ' Connor ' s letter . There was a letter read expressive of the mind of tbe delegates who did attend the Assembly , that they would not listen to any repudiation of Mr . O'Connor , but he ( Mr . Cochrane ) declared tbat there were individuals there who were prepared to speak against him . He ( Mr . Cochrane ) said nothing against him , but look at the charges he has brought against me as forming one ofthe Assembly , viz;—Tbat we were the means of transporting Cuffay , Howling , Lacey , Fay , and Ritchie . He contended that tbe language used in the Assembly was milder than that used in the

      Convention . 'Lookat the strong language of Mr . O'Connor , Frost , "Williams , and Jones at the foot of the scaffold . [ At this stage of the business the gas went out , and there were nothing but two candles on the platform , which created a little confusion , bnt the people , anxious that he should proceed , shouted out , "Goon in the dark . " ] He next referred toP . M'Grath ' _sproposition forraising £ 5 , 000 , to be under the direction of a committee and the ultimate conclusion was come to to raise £ 10 , 000 , to be under the direction and disposal of twenty commissioners . Mr . Cochrane said said wanted to

      _PearguB we plunder the people , hut I wish I had him here . He then referred to the subject of cowardice , and said , if any one was a coward , Feargus O'Connor was the man . He then went into the subject of England getting quit of Mr . O'Connor . ( Shouts of" Sit down , sir , " « p at . Brewster , " & _c , & e . ) Ob , says Cochrane , Mr . Brewster scorned the very idea of meeting him , "We are blamed for having spent three weeks abusing Mr . O' Connor , and being a meeting of _conapiritors ; when the fact is , that we only sat a fortnight altogether . He then referred to the sale of the Star , at the rate of 13 , 000 , and that Mr . _O'Coniwr was wellpsidby the people , by _rachapurehaae j

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      _resumedahttlecriticism-on the letters of the 22 nd bf . _Sp _riljaM _^ rane w . oundnp ' _, by appealing , to _everyj unprejudiced inind to say that , * Jfr . _^ P ' . _Cpnnorjwa _^ hot a fit person to : be a ; leader of / _$ Qe * democracy of . this country . He then adverted ' tothe getting of Feargus but of theway _fj . ' _& c . ' , f f . ' . ZZ _^ . Z . ' : ' , . " . ' . ' .. ' [ ¦¦ , ¦ ¦ ¦ , "¦ Th ' ej gas was lighted by the ' time that Akdbbw Habxet commenced ; he said he was coming to . the Soint at once . . ( Great confusion and expressions of _fe ' satisfection . ) . The duty _assignedlto . him . was to make a statement of facts , and any one , ' was at _libfrty to contradict them who thought proper .. He proceeded to state , that after he went to London it wasstated ' to , himthat . Mr ' , ! O'Connor was the only one to blame for makW the statement in the House

      of Commons relative to the . petition ; that he was supposed to be , a friend of Mr . Q * Connor ' s before , he left Glasgow for London as a delegate , aad referred to the meeting in the Democratic ¦ Hall as evidence of this fact ' . Ha stated that when he " was in London he was determined to get positive proof as to Mr . O'Connor ' s conduct ; tne first opportunity occurred in the statement made by Cuffay , in the presence of Mr . _M'Crae ( Dundee ) , Mr . Peacock ( Greenock ) , and Jfr . Grassby , and the three gentlemen whose names are signed to the pamphlet , of charges against Mr . O'Connor . He showed that , Cuffay was a most trustworthy person , from the character Mr . O'Connor gave him , ahd that Grassby was the same , from the confidence put in him by the various

      trades , and insisted that nothing should be taken on bis word , but that they should depend on the . reve . lations of Mr . Grassby , concerning a private conversation about the petition , as to the manufacturing names , 'die ., embracing the whole letter of Grassby to Harley on the subject . He ( Mr . Harley ) then went on to state , that previous to . Mr . O'Connor ' s coining to Glasgow the last time he . wrote to . Mr . _Shirron , of Aberdeen , and got back an answer containing something more than was revealed by Mr . Grassby , viz ., the condemnation of Mr . O'Connor s letter of the 22 nd April , by the unanimous vote of the Assembly . ' He then adverted to some of the points in the letters—both Mr . O ' Connor ' s and Shirron ' s—such as "Tom foof O'Connor spoiled

      the petition ; " " O'Connor ' s stamping his foot and swearing about the petition ; " and that Cuffay had one advantage over O'Connor—viz ., " that of being an honest man . " He then alluded to a resolution , to the following _effect—

      this part by stating tbat m his estimation it was a pity that a fair opportunity had not been granted for hearing the letters of Shirron , ;& c , read . He ( Mr . Harley ) then spoke of the . Kennington Common meeting , and Mr . O ' _Connors determination to march forward 'till stopped , & c . Mr . O ' Connor's declaration In the house about : stopping the procession , Ac . . Mr . Harley then defied , any one to prove that he attacked Mr . O ' Connor in the Assembly . Onthe contrary , he said that several persons bad eulogised Mr . O ' Connor ; and then contended that he had the right to canvas the character of Mr . O'Connor ,, or any other public man , who presumed to be a Leader . ( Considerable disapprobation prevailed throughout Mr . Harley ' s address , relieved occasionally by a little cheering ,

      < co . ) ' Mr . Jjjiks Adams came forward to address the meeting , whieh was . the . signal for a renewal of great confusion ; one macron the platform ( a friend to Adams and Company ) figured so prominently , that the Chairman declared repeatedly that he would put him out ; - Order : being ultimately , restored , Mr . Adams proceeded to state that he would give proof to the conviction ' of tbe people ' s minds concerning Mr . O ' Connor ' s conduct . The first sub : ject he entered on was the transportation of Cuffay and others , ' and referred to the reply to that charge in the Star , of December , 1848 ; Cuffay and others led into rash measures by tbe conduct of the _National Assembly , & c . ( Shouts of " Weil done , Jamie , ! ' and other expressions of contempt , and

      great laughter . ) He ( Mr . Adams ) defied any one to prove that the Scottish delegates had given any misstatement concerning the state of preparation ofthe Scotch people , and appealed to the statements of Ernest Jones , who bad taken a Scottish tonr to see the state , & c—He then referred to a resolution , confirming what he said , ( recorded in the Star ); and then stated that there was no resolution to confirm Mr . O ' Connor ' s statement . He then went into the statement about Mr . O'Connor ' s dismissal from the Executive , O'Connor absent , and the test said he would not stand , & c . _~ He then adverted to the Kennington Common Meeting , which subject having been handled so much before , it brought out the expression of considerable

      dissatisfaction on the part ofthe meeting . The disorder was greatly increased by a crash at one end of the building , as if part of it was giving way , Adams ' s party shouting out " The Chairman is responsible , " and the opposite party declaring that it was the Committee . Adams proceeded to state that there were three statements in connexion with the above meeting , which he wished to bring before the people : —1 st . The arrival of two policemen with special information , that if the people proceeded they would be fired upon . 2 nd . The declaration in the House of Commons , and no person knowing it but Mr . O'Connor . 3 rd . The statement about the deputation to , and conversation with , Mr . O ' Connor oh Sunday . Mr .

      Adams said , that the last time Mr . O'Connor was in Paisley , he had told the people that he bad passed through marines , horse , foot , & c , & c . Adams declared before high heaven that there was nothing of the liind . He then referred to his speech , in vindication of the Convention and moral demonstration , ' and said , the hole at . which he attempted to get out was his declaration of ignorance of the parties he was acting . with . He . then referred tp the knowledge Mr . O'Connor had of the number of signatures to the National Petition , on Thursday , and his professing that he did not know till Sunday , the 9 cb , how the petition was made up , till informed in his hotel . He next directed attention to . the June number of the Democratic Review , for some

      statements , of Harney ' s . He then referred to the Friday after ' the petition , about a circular that was handed round , calling a private meeting , and the conclusion that he and Mr . Tattersal came toi was , that it would be about the petition . He then . referred to the weight ofthe petition , taking his data from a former opinion in connexion with Sherrington and the Land Scheme , which made the petition to contain within a few of tbe number mentioned in the House of Commons . They ought tohave known something about the petition before they took their mission , & o . They were to go , to the country and tell the people that they had been imposed on by the House of Commons ; and he said . that Mr . ' Clark called it a d d imposition . ( Shouts of " Why

      did he not make the statement when at Paisley with Mr . E . Jones ? " ) The number , made up by the district overturned bis judgment in the matter . He then referred to the information he received from Mr . Cuffay and Mr . Grassby—stated that tho committee in Glasgow was favourable to . Mr , O'Connor—and tbat Mr . O ' Connor said it was . Mr . Adams that damaged the petition , as one ofthe committee—but here Adams declared that he could swear by high Heaven he was not on the committee . He next stated that Mr . Cochrane was a member , and that he . could give his oath that Adams was not on it . He next animadverted on Mr . ' O'Connor ' s declaration , that change Of circumstances ; never change his resolution . Mr . O'Connor declared every day that he would bold the procession ; so it seems he changes his . resolutions when no alteration takes

      place—ail the circumstances were the . same—they had characters to protect as well as Mr . O'Connor . Mr . O'Connor taunts them ( the speakers , Cochrane , and Harley ) , about the proposed . sum to be raised by the people of £ 10 , 000—he ( Adams ] referred to his speech in the Star , about tbe people not being able to give tbe proposed sum . Mr . O'Connor may taunt , but a discerning " public would see thatthey had no wish to plunder the people , and that their characters would yet shine forth in resplendent glory . I have ( said Adams ) confounded Mr . O'Connor : and I now declare , by way of prophecy , that the day is not far distant when every honest man will g * et his own , and every rogue bis deservingshe next referred to the land scheme , about'some broken promises ; in the midst of which there was another fearful crash at the end of the building , which created considerable alarm .

      Mr . _Suerrikgtoh then commenced the vindication of Mr . O'Connor , die , After answering the substance of-the long letter Adams read on the Land , he ( Mr . S . ) said he thought , it would be a crying sin to meddle with poor Cochrane , Then he went into ' the subject of the petition , to show that he had given them a data by which to guide them in numbers by the weight of the Petition . Harley determined not to leave London until he got evidence respecting the conduct of Mr . O'Connor , and a letter was sent to'Glasgow , stating that they would have Mr . O'Connor overthrown _, in three days . ( Shouts of " Proof , proof . " ) Reference had

      been made to J . Keer and D . Paul * . The reference to D . Paul was a mistake , as he was not on the Assembly Committee . ( Cries of "Where is the letter ? " ) Mr . Sherrington acknowledged the letter to be in the bands of Mr . O'Connor , He' then referred to the letter of Shirron to Harley , and stated that , as Shirron was dead , there was no evidence that it was his at all . ( Here Adams came forward to show the letter , which drew Mr . Sherrington ' s attention to Mm . ) ' 'Mr . Sherrington then Baid that I Adams had said little against Mr . O'Connor , but m defehce of himself / He then went on 'to show how it was possible for Cuffay and others to be _* _* » ed b y the Assembly . He then , in reference to the procession going on through the fbrcesi went

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      on to show that _% there ; neveri . li _# dibeen such preparations made : ' ( Ihtorru _^ tro ' n / _aWQnestibh '• :- ; * _#$ Mr . Q _! Connor _pass . tlu * olBgh , the _. _fpzqeigfr * _, ft Mr . Sherrington _described about the _satid-bag _^ and the windows taken ' 6 inr : uV * the Tine ~ df . _jfrocession , ahd the loop-holes for 'the _' _sbldiersi . stationed within to fire through upon the people—which _satisfied the people as" to 'Mr ; O'Connor ' s danger , ' ahdthe judiciousness bf hot having the procession , ' as first de % - miried upon / He : ( Mr : 'Sherfingtbn ); '' _thetf went '' bn to ' say , that Adams * declaration / M By high heaven , " was not to be much _miride'd _^ as f 'he had questioned him respecting the petition when' at ; Glasgow , ; 'between the meeting of the _Cbbyention' and tneimeet ;

      ing of the Assembly , when ne declared , "So help me God ! Mr . O ' Connor was under the ' mark , and calculated the whole from ' the number' that went _from-Glasgow " (» _' . e ., the weight . of the ' parcel that contained the names , ' & e . ) l He then " showed the meeting how Adams took the' liberty ;' of _^ hanging at pleasure , but th at there was no aUowanco "brMr , O'Connor to change . . ¦ _' " .. ; " . ' , . . . ' . f . ' _, , ' . Mr . Wbir came forward , amidst great confusion , as the opposite party claimed the next half-hour . Mr . Weir commenced by saying , that the , first line of their bill wasfalse , viz ., _Feargus q'Conhbr , 'Esq ., M . P ., not haying accepted the twice repeated offer of Mr . Robert Cochrane to meet him in discussion !

      dto . He ( Mr . Weir ) observed that it was not necessary , as Cochrane knew quite well that . Mr . O'Connor was ' coming himself . ( Cheering and considers * ble _tdnfusion . ) He ( Mr . Weir ) said that he . looked upon this as a meeting got up to sow discord amongst the democrats . ' He alluded tb the . reference Mr . O'Connor made to the Home Secretary ( Grey ) , and illustrated Mr . O'Connor ' s declaration , by a reference to himself in connexion with , a church , as being one of aparty doing things that lie would hot do as an individual—dwelt on the fling at the Irish Confederates , and . Mr . " "O ' _Connor ' s . reply—and said that the conduct of Cochrane and Co ., as a party , was sufficient to d _= —~ n any , movement . .. - . .. ; _- .

      Mr . _CinnrcK referredtoAthen ' s and her Socrates , as proofs that after generations do justice to the maligned and persecuted , whose characters have been blasphemed , and gave a caution to those who were blaspheming the character of Mr . O'Connor . He put in the plea of gratitude due to _ Mr . O ' Connor oh ° the part of the people , for his vast services in their cause . Look ( said Mr . ; Carrick ) at his former poBition- _^ what he might hay e beeri ; if he had sided with our enemies , and when we take these things into account , arewe , ' at the bidding of a few upstarts ; to throw Mr . O ' Connor pverboard , even admitting tbat he did not risk the slaughtering of the people by the armed forces with wbich they would have had to contend ? ( Hear . hear . aha

      , cheers . ) ' Again , is it fair , that those whose business it was to . look after the National petition , should come forward and blame Mr ! O ' Connor for doing a thing that it was their plaqe . to prevent him from doing ; it was their work ' to look after the petition ; it was for that they got the people ' s _mohey ., He next adverted to Mr . Cochrane s letter as evidence in the matter , and showed the meeting that Harley and Adams wcre'disppsed to be factious , and referred to their attacks on Owen and Cobden as evidence . ' He next spoke to the subject of the £ 150 , and said that , if it could sot be made up to such a sum , that he ( Mr . O'Connor ) was out of pocket in consequence of the . Assembly , and called upon the people to look at the way . his means

      hid been drawn on for the purpose of " supporting the Chartist victims , a thing which the country ought to have done , and . which it could not be denied he did . They should be ashamed of their ungrateful conduct . ' Mr . Cochrane said he would leave the Land Scheme to Mr . Adams . Alluding to Mr . O'Connor coming himself to give bis slanderers an opportunity of meeting him , he ( Mr . Cochrane ) contended that that was a meeting of his ( Mr . O ' Connor ' s ) friends , to hear an address from him , and that out bf 650 tickets , he had only got fifty for his friends ; but the terms ofthe challenge was a meeting duly called & c—an out-door meeting , if . you will , like Brewster . Mr . Weir charged him ( Mr . Cochrane )

      with being actuated by impure motives . There was one charge he would plead guilty to , that of being on the Petition Committee , but James Adams was not . ( Shouts oi " He said so then . " ) Cochrane , well , if he said so , ho told a lie . He stated that he had been down atthe Petition Committee two days , but there was no one there but the friends of Mr . O'Connor , making up the Petition . ' Mr . Cochrane pleaded an excuse , that he could not attend to his duty to the Petition for doing his duty in the Convention . He next stated that the Convention had resolved to go with the Petition in procession , and that tbey had sent a deputation to the Home-office to that effect j and that they were going unarmed , and asked , in closing , was it treating ' the Convention and country right to have the private resolve

      to stop the procession . ? Mr . Harley _thtfajamo forward , and , in allusion to Shirron ' s _letter-Vsaid , that although there were others in the habit of purloining letters , he defied the parties with whom' he was at issue to prove that he or his party were . He then referred to Grassby not being called in question as a witnesshe is a living _witnes ' s ' i' He was nota member ofthe Convention but of the Assembly . Mr . Clark had stated that the House bf Commons was correct re > specting the petition , and that Mr . O'Connor knew it to be afalse statement he made aboutthe petition . Mr . Adams next came forward , and said , that apparently it was the design of Mr . O'Connor ' s friends to hide his faults ; he had ho sympathy . with those

      who would do so . He then went into the subject of Mr . O'Connor leaving the ranks of the aristocracy , & c , and said , he left them a poor man , and he was a poor man yet ; what had he but a few poor acres of laud in Ireland ? ( Great disapprobation . ) Mr . Carrick came forward , and dwelt shortly on . Mr . Cochrane at last becoming honest in acknowledging Ms personal neglect , and that it ought to teach himsympathy for others , ' seeing that he had conducted himself so . It was a pity that they allowed such a petition to go to Parliament , and those who did so were greatly to , blame . He next referred to the use Mr . O'Connor ' . made ' , of his money , greatly to his praise ; referred to his

      aristocratic connexions , and his taking up tho cause of the working classes . Cochrane ' s excuse as member of the petition committee " was very lame . ' _, He then referred to the address , which had just been'issued _, and asked , who could take part with such factious individuals ? Cochrane wanted a leader . ' , Who would they'have—who could they put in ' the ' place of Mr . O'Connor 1 Was it Hume or Cobdeh ? and called upon them not to be drawn away from Mr . O'Connor , as nota single charge had been proved against him . Seeing . that the national petition had injured the people ' s cause / through the neglect of the people ' s delegates , let them after this all attend to their duty .

      Mr . Robertson then moved the following resolutions : — . ' "Thatthe conduct of Robert Cochrane , in his factious -opposition to all popular movements for the obtainment of the people ' s _ijust rights , is trifling and vexatious , and deserving our utmost condemnation . "' . , ; ['" . ' , " That theconduct of Messrs . Adains and Harley , in their continued opposition : to affect a union among . all classes bf reformers , db _. ' in our opinion , show . a vindictiveness which ought to exclude them from the association " of men of principle , and render tbem unworthy of the name of citizen . " : ' ¦ Mr ; CocihiAnb came forward , aud said that the . resolution was totally uncalled for ; surely he would not be condemned without a hearing ; he ; was now forty , years old " , and had been a member ,

      of the Renfrewshire Political Union ; he _hstditaken apart in the _; Moral and Physical Power System , ori the side of _MUral Power : referred to the teaching : of Dr . M'Douall . and Stephens , " an _^ read fa , ' longbill as to the position he occupied in former days ; The Chairman put'i t to the' vote ; ' _^ _HeniilJi'W s ! manifest tbat it was not a vote that " whV heartily entered into , from the very strong language , in the resolution .. But the chairman declared' that the resolutions werocarried by a small' maiority , after which declaration the friends who took part against Cochrane went to look for a conveyance hOnteTin their absence , however , for the sake of satisfying the people , he took the votes over again , when he ; declared upon ' bis conscience that the resolutionswere carried ; and the meeting broke up after two o ' clock in the morning .

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      _Wrrck of ihe Orion . —The divers are continuing their , operations at the wr _^ ck with considerable success . Amongst the property recovered is the chest containing the silver plate . belonging to the vessel . The value of the plate is upwards of £ 1 , 500 . The body of Miss Morris , nieco of . Dr . Burns , was recovered on . the . 27 th ult . This makes , in all , thirty-seven bodies recovered , and at . least twenty others are believed to have perished ! Some still think many more . The sheriffs' authorities iri Glasgow , in compliance with an . order ! from Crown counsel in Edinburgh , were engaged last week in taking the evidence of masters and mates who were acquainted ' with the navigation of tbat coast _^ as to the course through' the channel which the Orion should [ have steered under the circumstances ; and also as to the degree of responsibility attaching to

      the respective officers of a ship during a watch . Confident _expectations are still entertained that tbe wreck will be raised . . _. ' : . . _,. " . ' .. 1 A » ac tion has just been tried before the Tribunal of Commerce , in Which , an English gentleman , named James , was plaintiff against the Havre Railway ., Company . Tho action was to . recover the value of a trunk containing jewellery , and other articles of value belonging to his wife , estimated by him at l , 580 f ., whioh was lost during hisf journey from Havre to Paris . The company refused to pay more than 150 f ., as their notice stated that jewellery and articles of value ought to have been entered as sucb , and paid for accordingly . Tlje tribunal , however ,, decided otherwise ,. . contending : that , the notice of the company , did not apply to personal effects , and condemned the defendants to pay to Mr . Jaiaes the ' _suinbf I _. OOOf , ' "'

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      • _' _^ _SfuriBiip . _'MO _^ _AtyJut * _!?^ f _« _ruA'I . " . ' . ' . _HOTJSEV ! Ol * V LORD ' S _^ lBiSH _^' _pABtUMKNfflBT _. _VoteBsrHiiiiii-r . The _. _ihouse haying . _< gone'into ; cdnimitte _^ jpntiugbill _jji _^;^ : _;^^; . ! y . _^ hu . Z : 0 ' - ' Jr . „ The : IjarV ; of fix . GBBMANi ; . _after-some „ di 8 cussipn ,: withdrew' his own motibn _,-. fof a .. £ 12 ¦ franchise , ihj _ra _> bur / bf "/! fi ;;; : p 'f . •*• " _;¦ ¦ •' " '¦ ' ¦ _* - _' ' : _•( YfEiBt _' OBSABi , _^ -who ' ; ' 'ihove'd _, - _UV ' ari _atfendpient , _j thafc the minimumi rating qualification , _^ necessary to _, confer , tho : franchise , Upon , tbnants , i ; sh ' ould be ; increa _^ dfrom . _-48 ; to , Jei 5 . i v _.,, _;^ . _} , v . _- . _,,-i } W ;¦ -: ' , The' _^ arquis ' of Lans dp _. _wjjb ' opposed , the . _amendment ' , ' _enlarging

      ot plaoing the Irish electorate upon a real and substantial basis / and contended ' that the ' £ 8 rating was not . too . low , . while the . suggested ! enhancement of the qualification would very much circumsoribe . the numbers of the constituency , _^ , ; . _, . . " Lord _SiANisi conceded the _pi'dprlety of dreating an- enlarged electorate in Ireland , but Objected to have'the voters holding " beneficial interest-In pi'o perty' 8 _wampedi'b y _sq-vastan . addition : of . ' small tenant voters _aswouldbe _jOccasioned , under an £ 8 rating , ' A pauper constituency was the worst possible . It ' w ' obld oyerwhelm the property ., ' of the country ; and might react dangerously uponthe'imr pe rial . parlia ' mont . - In-his opinion ' £ 15 was somewhat too low , but he was w'illingto vote for it as an

      approach to a sound system of qualification . ,. A prolonged ; discussibiiffollowed , in : which ; the _faotsand argumentsi' _| turned chiefly ' upon the ,, character of the _'^ electorate'which ' would be . created under a franchise based _iipOn ' tenure . ' ' _>' ¦¦ ¦' ¦ ' : - Lord _BuoconAii said ; -that as one-third of thei Irish ; people were , paupers . it would : be _afpauper population _^ , ' and onef peculiarly ; under priestly ; i . _nflinjiace , both _' in the north and ' tW south of Ireland . He , therefore ; supported a ' " £ 16 qualification , but he _concludedby strongly urging the claims of the working classes of England to an . ' extended franchise , , _because , the ; tradesmen and _shopocr ' acy of the country : were far more servile and dependent than the artisans and mechanics of England ., His

      Lordshi p said , 'ih the _firstiesspn _. for the" day which had been read yesterday it was said that Saul had repented in _Backblotnand _^ _ashes , when he was about to be turned out of office or dethroned , because ho had listened : too , much to the voice ; of the , people ; and _inlikemannorperhaps ' tbeYgovernment ,. when _they'feit ' . they ' were goihg oiit , woiild repeht ' and do something to ' extend ' the franohise . in England . ( Laughter . ) He must apologise to the Right Rev . Prelate , for thus trenching :, en : his province . ( Laughter . ) He must -admit that if a great change were to be made iri the ' provisions of the Reform Bill'it would be most _teneficialv Such a change as

      _iwould give tothe enlightened hardworking artisans the franchise in England—a class of persons much more independent than . any who now had votes , who did hot want'the ballot tb protect them , but would givetheir yotesfearlessly andop ' enly , who were more independent than £ 10 freeholders and the shopkeepers , far more independent than what wascalled the " capitalocracy" ofthe country . He had no wish to see the present resp'fctable bod y of Irish members in the House of _Commonb' turned , out by a far less eligible set of men , which would be sure to occur if the constituency proposed by this bill was established ; ? '• ' ; ' ' _; - * ••" ' :

      The Marquis of _LausdOWse offered to adopt the £ 12 qualification as proposed in the amendment suggested by tho Earl of St . Germans ; but this compromise not being accepted , their lordships at length divided . _.- Forthe clause ¦ ' ¦ ... ... ... SO For Lord Desart ' fl amendment . ; . 72—22 , On the motion of the Marquis Of Lansdownb , the Chairman then reported progress , the committee being ordered to resume ' on Thursday ; Their Lordships then adjourned .

      , HOUSE OF COMMONS . —The business in this house was commenced by a lengthened conversation , founded on questions by Colonel Sibthorpand other members , upon the subject ' of the site ofthe National Exhibition of 1851 , followed . The Attorney-General , explaining the legal position of the question , stated that Hyde-park was the property of the Crown in fee , and that on e & ch accession it was invested in the Commissioners of Woods and Forests as trustees for , the . public . Those commissioners had a right to cut down mature trees , and ,. with the Royal _sanotion , immature trees / but were unable to grant any lease for the erection of permanent buildings . He declined to suggest how the public ( the _ccstius que . trust ) were to interfere , if dissatisfied with the acts of the trustees . Lord John Russell stated that tho exhibition . was to close on the 1 st of November / 1851 , at latest , and in seven months from that date / the ; whole building -was to bo

      removed , and ief _reiterated the statement tbat there was no idea ' ojjsp _^ _lyjngJto thB puWio purse for assistanoe . _'l' _MrXiReynpldEi offered the Phoenix-park , Dublin _^ fof , t . | _ie _/| lxhibttioii ,. and Mr . Alcock proposed Batte ' rseWeJds . . Mr . Duncombe thought that it would _^ _bjbetter to brave tho frowns ot Rotten-row rather , thanl peril the Exhibition , and object to the prige . of half-a-crown , which it was understood was intended to be charged for admission , saying that , fthe entrance ought to be free three days iri thefweek ; _^ suggestion which was rejected by _Lprd _^ _Jbhri ' Russell . _^ Finally . it , was arranged that fha whole " matter ' should be discussed on Thursday , and in the meantime a memorial , addressed to the Lords of the Treasury , by the Commissioners in charge of the Exhibition , stating the decision to which they had cbnie , as to the locality and the reasons for it , was to be placed in tho hands ofmemders .

      Mr . Smith-O ' _BRiBjf . —On the question forgoing into Committee of Supply , Mr . Anstby as an amendment moved for an inquiry into the circumstances under which a letter addressed by Mr . William . Smith O'Brien to a member of ; this house , complaining bf his having been placed in solitary confinement by the present Lieutenant-Governor of Van Diemen ' s Land , was intercepted and opened in that colony ' by ' the local authorities . The . _questibn was _, whether the local authorities had a ri g ht to retain or open letters addressed by the convicts under their charge to persons in this country filling an official position ? Mr . S . O'Brien having refused a letter of leave was sent to the penal settlement of Darlington , on Maria

      Island , off the coast of "Van Diemen ' s : Land . Mr . O'Brien thought the prison regulations had beon unduly _stretohed for the purpose of inflicting additional hardship , and addressedto him ( Mr . Anstoy ) , a 9 a member bf Parliament , a letter on the subject . In this country and in Ireland , where , those in charge of the prisoners had a plenary power to establish such regulations as thoy pleased ; thorb did exist regulations in virtue of which the authorities might detain and open letters addressed by convicts to . any persons without 'the gaol , or which . might be sent to the prisoners within . The distinction between convict and freeman was recognised in this country ; biit , for all purposes of polioe whatsoever , there was no distinction between free and bond in Tan

      Diel men ' s Land . The post-office there was regulated by a local act , in which convicts were expressly named , and of a . particular mode pointed out for transmitting thoir , letters ' ,- . _^ lit . th o same , penalty _^ attached to , tho Unlawful dotainjii _^ 'br . " opening of _waflet ' fcer of a , convict . as " . that of a freeman _,,.. ' If _^ hpVe had been information on oath that , he ( Mr . _Mstey ) was _. _asusj _^ ous person , and ' that the letter _j andresscd to hini _^^ wjiujdjbo _. psed for an improper _pur-. ijiise , he would ' _ipbeerfullyaiainit that the Governor ptVanDiemon _' sLand acted ' _vyitnin the _ . limits of his authority : ; but the subject was one for inquiry . _$ r . O'Brienhavingaddressed _. tholetter . to " J .. C . _^ Anstey ; . _' . Esq .. fHous 6 . bf Commons ,. London , " fpiv

      • warden ' it to the" Chief Superintendent of Convicts . Jb tb _^ despatch whi _chj . covoved tHe letter .. Sirf ' . W . _jDehfisony th ' o " : Lieutenarit-Gbverridr , ; . frhhkl y : a « _£ _faiWyadinitted that it wasbpehe'db y his authority , apd'that he read the letter . to inform himself _| ojt the cbniplaints or misrepresentations , a ' _s _^ h j _^ _oalle _' d them ? ' Mr _; , O'Brien might make . . _Wlienthe-fetter reefchbd'Dd ' _wnihg-BtreerEarl Grey , through the _iUn'der-Secret ' aiy . for . the ' Colonios , forwarded it , and ' invitedhlm ";( Mr . Anstey ) " tb ' call at tbe Colbnialo ] ffic © and . read what Sir W . Denison had written , Nothing : cpuld be more fair , " courte ' _ousj or candid _'thJih thb conduct of the Colonial-office , ' . ' . The let _' ter might have been ; forwa ' rded' thither _With the , seal unbroken , and Lord'Grey would have forwarded it

      so . ' The ground of complaint was , that . the , seal was broken in Tan Diemen ' s Land . During the period he had resided in Van Diemen ' s Land—from 1829 to the present time—ho did not believe there ever had been an instance in ' , ' which a letter W « S opened except on swirn information and under warrant . The . rjghi hon . member for Hipon , when charged with opening the' lettefsfof the hon . member for _Finsburyi might as well , have pleaded that it was the general practice tb '"' open : the letters of free persons hero , as' the authorities of Van Diemen ' s Land that it was the general practice to open the letters of convicts there . The course , taken in opening the letter of Mr . O'Brien was unjust , unlawful , unprecedented , impolitic , and dishonourable . The refusal of Mr . 8 ; O'Brien of a ticket of leave was justified by the consideration that the

      _ticket-ofleave man ' was exposed , to be constantly , annoyed by charges of "irisubbrdination , '' _-. charges of a , general or indefinite . descril ) tion _,, _% hich might be brought before a magistrate b y any free man , bowover debased in character . Jf the , government really did not think that , _the'ltimb'ha & _. ebme ' when tbey ought fo release , these unfortunate mod _altbgothor , ho trusted at all _event ' _a that . they would not aggravate their sufferings . " [' _,, ] ' _,,. ' , . / j Mr . Dickson seconded the _amendment , and _referred ton petltipii _' fr _onij the County of Limerick , in ¦ which tho deepest sympathy had been expressed with Mr , Smith O ' Brien / cbupled . with , an earnest desire for Bome relaxatibn of ; his severe ; treatment .. ' Sir _^' _GRBVcouldnot admit ., that any grounds had been ; made out for a Parliamentaryt , inquiry . _, He bogged' to " assure the hon . gentleman that the letter to which he had referred had been opened

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      simpj _^ 'in _^ con'formity _^ with thb _luniversaifpracticb ' with' regard _toicohvicts who had' not received tickets t ofleave . Mr _^ S O'Brien and his , associates , had _5 fbffeited tbeir ; lives tb ' _the'iai _^ S of the , ir ; , cbuntry in ' ' _"bonSequ . en ce'bf fabtsW which theyf iadffbeen icon- ! v'ioted after' a fair _^' and impartial ' trial / ' By ' the free mercy ofthe Crown . their lives . had : _^ een ' spared , 'their I sentences ' _beingebmrnuted to _^ tran ' spbr , tatioii : for 'lifer" "" Under . those _circumsiabcesfthe [ lwn [ [ gen- , tle man'hoped that ' the government wonld extend : s 6 me-. furfcher . ' . ! . indulgeneeV _Departingij from the ordinary , dustbin ; ' these * p _erson ' s hail' been treated somewhat ; ¦ differentl y from , ordinary ' , convicts .: Tickets , ofieuve had-been offered them on their arr ' rival in the colony ; ' Three of them accented the !

      " «**»*• _;^ . _0 _?» _^ .. ' refused _^ fabd , therefore by his own act alone those , restraints bad been placed upon him _^ of which he qr . ' his _. frleh ' ds now _complained . The hon . gentleman _sfatcd that it was a violation of honourable feeling' to open letters addressed by convicts to their friends . Why it was what was done with regard to convicts iri this country and with regard to every oonviot in Vaii Diemen ' s Land who had not a ticket of leave -and for the obvious reason , that were it not so measures of escape might he concocted , articles .: sent to the newspapers , and means taken to render the punishment a laughing stock / and altogether to defeat the ends of punishment . ( Hoar , hear . ) . The

      government had done what they could in this case to mitigate the severity that attended the sentence of transportation , but : he thought that the hon . gentleman was asking for too much when he required that a special exemption should . be made in behalf of Mr . _S . O'Brien . The only , alternative ' was to treat him as he was treated , or to set him free again oh his native soil . . He deeply regretted that a gentleman who had _satanlongst themselves should have heen subjected to this punishment , yet to say because . he was a gentleman , and had . been a member of Parliament , that therefore a free pardon was to be , given him , would be holding up justice to contempt , and rendering punishmen t a by-word and a mockery . Mr . B . CocniiANB perfectl y _. agreed with the right hon . gentleman that under the circumstances ofthe case law should be carried out . Ho saw no reason

      for showing favour to one class of . persons , more than _another , . and it was some false sensibility of that kind that he believed had led to the recent outrage upon-the Sovereign . The law ' ought in all cases to be carried out fairly and . fearlesslv , without any regard to the class of society to which the persons offending belonged .: _., ; He believed that Sir W . Denison had acted only in pursuance of his duty . , . '•' . ' ; . . Mr . ' O'FLAHERTY said the people of Ireland felt strongly that , however unfortunate this gentleman might have been , tho case was attended with circumstances of mitigation ; and he assured the government that , should a favourable opportunity occur of granting a free pardon , it would be most pleasing and grateful to the feelings ofthe Irish people .

      Mr . Hume did . not concur , in the propriety of interfering with' thb government in . a case of this nature . With regard tothe particular complaint , he knew that formerly , letters were allowed to pass from a convict to a member . _fof Parliament unopened , and he thought it desirable , that the privilege should still exist . _TheO'GoniiAN Maho » depreoated the custom of violating the seal of a letter from a convict to a member of Parliament , and protested against the doctrine that no distinction should be made between Mr . S . O'Brien and ordinary convicts . The hon . gentleman then went through the . proceedings of the trial , which , he saidhad by no means satisfied

      , him , for , though Mr . O'Brien had been found guilty of treason , it had been unaccompanied by the shedding bf one single drop of blood . True , there , was the shooting ofa child , or an old woman , or something of that sort , by the police , but there was no collision to which Mr . O'Brien had been aparty ; indeed , but for that gentleman ' s interference , lives would have been lost , blood shed , and property detroyed to an enormous extent . He trusted that the government would ' one of these days enjoy the satisfaction of advising her Majesty to an act of mercy , which would , if _possible , more than ever endear her . to tier affectionate . Irish subjects . ,

      Mr . Monsell stated , that from communications he had had with the government , and especially the hon . gentleman the Under-Secretary for the Colonies , he . felt bound , to . say that they had shown every disposition to . meet the reasonable suggestions which he had taken tho liberty to make . At the same time he was not so convinced that the colonial authorities had acted in the same spirit . He found , from a letter from Tan Diemen ' s Land , dated " November 26 th , " that , having refused tbe ticket of leave , Mr . O'Brien had been treated very rigorously—in fact , in every respect as one of the worst convicts , except that ho was not required to labour or to wear the convict dress ; he was

      restricted to the same food as the others , prohibited from purchasing anything whatever , and net allowed to hold communication with any person . Sir . L . O'Brien observed that some discredit had been thrown upon his former statement by a letter in the Times from a Mr . Sbaw , writing from Roundtown , Dublin . " That was not a fair letter , however ; but his own' statement was founded upon a communication from his brother'tb . MK Butt , Q . C ., and might be relied on . He could ask no more than that his brother should be treated with consideration in : his present unfortunate position . To ask for release would , perhaps , be unreasonable .

      He only asked that he , might be treated so that his health should not suffer . Mr . Hawks assured the house that the Governor of Van Diemen ' s Land had been actuated only by one feeling , a sense of duty as well to the Crown as to the convict . ' [ There had been , however , certain modifications since the 26 th of November , referred to in the letter read by the hon . gentleman opposite ( Mr . Monsell ) . " Mr . S . O'Brien ' s being confined alone was solely his own act . In respect to his dietary , and place of confinement , some especial favour had been shown him , and to that extent it might be that tho governor was even open to Eome

      censure . ' [ . ' . ' ... ' ¦ Mr . EwAKTthought'thatMr . O'Brienwa 8 entitled to some consideration' at the hands of the government , and he was sure they would not be unwilling to show such as was reasonable . Mr . S . CnAWFORD said , no one attempted to justify the , course of conduct that Mr . O'Brien had pursued , ; , but he could fearlessly state that there but was one feeling of sympathy and compassion for him throughout the whole of Ireland . Colonel Dunne supported the proposition of the hon . member for Youghal , and conourred in stating tbat theio was a general feeling of regard and esteem for Mr . S , O . _'Brien ' s ' maiiy excellent qualities , nnd of regret at his present unfortunate position .

      Colonel Thompson said * , that tho case of Mr . Smith O'Brien appeared to him to be just like that of an officer to whom liberty , upon his parole was offered when he was let out of prison . He might refuse his liberty upon that condition ; but if he did the world at large would be content to let him take the consequences . ( Hear , hear . ) If ho could see the smallest reason te belibve that the government desired -to , press hardly and inconsiderately iipon Mr . Smith O'Brien , ho wa 9 suro there was nothing ho would not do to signify his condemnation of it ; but he could not see any . On the contrary , he desired to congratulate the present government as being the first of all governments who had dispensed with oapital punishment in political cases . ( Hear . ) : The bouse then divided ; tho numbers were—1 For going into committee v .. ' 45 J For _. Mr . Anstey _' s amendment " 17 I

      , „ , Majority ... ... ... » —28 _M The -amendment being consequently' lost , the hbuso _. went into . Committeo of Supply . >;¦ I ! £ 124000 : was voted for educational purposes in ' Great Britain . ;! _ipff _. OPOfo _& national education in Ireland . ¦ 4 J _^ 7 _S 5-for ; Sohoo ] _s of design , _fr ! _yii the vote for £ 2 , 000 for salaries and allowances tp _. t ' he professors of Oxford and Cambridgo being rf _& _iiT ' _•¦¦ : '¦ ' ¦¦ _-, ¦ , _te / _TBwAar . regretted that there was not at those _Tjhiveraities a _' _^ ep fessor of history in connexion with ; diplomacy . _? _r _^ .: ¦" . ' . '¦' _¦ ' _| Losd _Paimbrsxss said that the matter had been for some time . undor his consideration ; and he

      hoped , to- be : able -to make arrangements for examining those . who received their first diplomatic commission ... ;; : ! f i j The , jY 0 te was agreed to . _^ Other votes , having been taken , an interesting 'discussion arose in connexion with tho vote' for tho British Museum . The sluggishness and the ob _> struct ' _iveness of thoso whoso duty it is to furnish thepublio with an oarly and popular catalogue of the library wero uncompromisingly dealt with , and , despite the usual official excuses , the feeling ofthe 'public in reference to the unwillingness or incompetency of . cortain of its paid : servants to do their duty , in regaVd to this department of the Museum , was satisfactorily expressed . The discussion of the Estimates occupied the house till half-past twelve .

      • TUESDAY , Jutt 3 . ; HOUSE . OF LORDS .-Education . —The Earl of Harrowby moved for the appointment of a select committee to inquire into the expenditure of the public money granted annually for the purposes of education . Detailing the chief features of the controversy now pending between the National Society ahd tho Committee ofthe Privy Council on _Education , the nob ! e ; . earl argued'that the right . of interference claimed by the co _" unt ) iV With all the schools _^ hich were , fopari ; ake of the national grants / tendod to shake" and extinguish the efforts of individual zeal among a large , portion : ' pf theolerical and lay members of the _establishedTchufon " . 'B y the system of Bupervision , thef whole body of _sohoblmasters were placed under- the immediate control ot the Privy . Counqil , and the result was that the education of the people was obeoked on one side , and _: the _privUegea of the church' invaded oh the otber .

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      ., The . Marquis . _; of LAN » now » Bt from air official knowled ge ofthe facts , declared that tho system of inapep > ipnfha _^ worked well _^ _and the aid and advice ¦ Pf i the . . gqyernment inspectors . were every yea moro cordially _nought for and acknowledged . < He admitted that the _-zealof the inspectors might ih some mstances have caried them too far , _h andled to an ,, unwarrantable _( intermeddling in the management of the _. echooh : but contended thatin general theykept within . the . scope of their instructions . Respecting the jealousies that had . arisen ! on : the part of a certain section ofthe church _. he believed that they : were founded upon misapprehension , -bet cause the . Privy Council had carefully , recognised the supremacy , of the . _clergymen in _all-mattewr « f

      religion . He nevertheless' denied that the _; _leeisi lature . bad . designed , or ; that the Privy Conneil were warranted / to . place all national grants for educftUon & l purposes at the Bole disposal of the clergy bf . the established church . Dissenters and Catholics had a right , and were intended to come in for their share . : The _Wesleyan body had at first testified some jealousy ofthe government system , but on acquiring fuller information of the real nature of . the contemplated inspection , had waived all difference and cordially co-operated with tho Privy Council in utilising the means furnished by the legislature .. No invidious distinctions had , as was rAleged , been created . against the church , but all

      sects wero considered in the Act with the most careful impartiality . Of 689 schools assisted with grants aurme the two ' last years , 533 belonged to the established church , to whom had been , appropriated eighty per cent , of the funds expended by the Committee of the Council for Education . After ' reading the testimony of di gnitaries and ministers , the noble marquis submitted that ' the administration of the national funds voted for purposes of instruction was unobjectionable in principle , and nseful in US practical results . For these reasons he objected to the appointment of a aeIect : cpmmitteef _^|»^ hB also that at so late a period of thb session _there _' wiS no time for it to prosecute inquiries to any available purpose . ¦; . ' ' . _¦'¦'•;'¦ - ' , Lord _LrmMON supported the motion .

      Lord Kinnairo suspected that the motion waa prompted by a " party" in the church , and urged that the government had gone to the utmost limits of concession towards the National Society . The Bishop of _Salisbuut , in supporting the motion , vindicated the National Society from the alleged stigma of party spirit . Entering into the go , neral question of education , he expressed some doubts of the tendencies ofthe "forcing system " _, so much in vogue , and which had spread- into tho training schools , constituted under government inspection . '

      After some remarks from the Earl of CnicnisrBB , The Bishop of Oxford , with much warmth , exculpated the National Society from the . charge of looking with jealousy upon lay or government , interference in education . This charge ; he declared , was founded upon mischievous misrepresentation . Detailing the principles of the . dispute between tbe National Society and the Privy Council , heargned in support ofthe society , and enlarged upon the arbitrary conduct and irrespbnsibiHt y of the council in administering the funds granted by parliament to promote the education of the people . He supported the motion .

      The Earl of _CAntists gave a brief history of tho " management clauses , " which had formed the excuse for the opposition excited against the Privy Council . These clauses , he contended bad long been wanted , and were drawn up with an especial avoidance of unnecessary intermeddling , or of infringement upon the prerogatives ofthe church . Regret * ting the influences which had disturbed the cooperation ofthe church and the state on account of merely hairsplitting differences , he repeated the promise made by the Marquis of Lansdowne , thafc every required information should be at once produced by the Privy Council , and meanwhile deprecated the appointment ofa committee , wliich could

      only institute inquiries vexatious on themselves , and wholly useless at the present advanced period of the session . Lord Stanlet concurred in approving ofthe system of inspection , but apprehended that in practice many irregularities existed , particularly since tho extension of tho educational operations during the past two years . Some incidents of alleged impropriety he then related , and contended that immediate inquiry was highly requisite to ascertain tho truth and extent of those asserted misdoings . Lord H _akrowuv replied ; and Their lordships divided upon Lord Harrowby ' S motion .

      Contents 26 Non-contents ... ... 31—5 The house adjorned at a quarter to one o ' clock . HOUSE OF ' COMMONS . —Landlord and _Tsnmst Bm ,. —On the order for the third reading of this bill , Mr . Pussy said , in compliance with the suggestion of Irish members , be had assented to its extension to Ireland . Col . Sidthorf reiterated his objections to the bill , which he considered an absurd one , fraught with mischief , and he moved its rejection . Sir J . Buuer opposed the bill , whicb , in his opinion , would open a door to constant litigation

      between landlord and tenant , and was inapplicable to parts of tho country where the tenancies were small The bill was likewise opposed by Mr . M'Cullaoh , Mr . CnmsTorHER _, and Sir G . Stbicxxahd . Upon a division , the third reading was carried by 53 again 8 tl 7 . Upon the motion of Mr .. _Mailings , two clauses were added to the bill , one or lessening the evils of emblements , the other making crops seized by tbe sheriff liable to rent whilst on the farm . Mr . S . Cbawfordmoved that "Ireland" be excluded from the preamble , considering that , although the bill might be in some degree suited to England , it was in no degree suited to the former country .

      This proposition was negatived , upon a division , by 64 against 14 . The bill then passed . The house suspended its sitting from two o ' clock The motion of Mr . Roehuck respecting the Church . of Ireland , fixed for tbat evening , was postponed in consequence of his indisposition . Petition or C . R . _Htatt . —Mr . F . O'Coksob moved that the petition of Charies Ratbband Hyatt , complaining oi the conduct of Mr . Commissioner _Fonblanque , and praying for inquiry ( presented 24 th of June , ) be printed . _Mrl TnoRNELT ( chairman of the public petitions i committee ) opposed the motion , on the ground that ; it would cost £ 15 unnecessarily , as the substance > of the petition was already in the hands of hon . . members , and was quite sufficient to form the basis 3 of a motion if tbo hon . and learned gentleman u _wishedjo make it the subject of one . '

      Mr . F . 0 ' Connor did not think the expense oughtit to stand in the way in such a case . j Sir R . _Lvotis said he would not be' deterred inin i any instance of alleged grievance from printing a a petition on the ground of the expense , but as theie I substance of this petition was alread y printed hede ' should oppose the motion . Mr . Brotuerton took the same view , particularlyly as the petition was a perfect pamphlet in contents _, 3 „ The house divided , when there appeared : ' ' For tho motion ... ... 1 Against it ... 107—106 Tho report of the Committee of Supply was is brought up , and the resolutionsj'ere agreed to . Tho Pirates' nead Money Repeal Act Com- amencement Bill , and the Sheriff of _Westmoreland . id . Appointment Bill , went through committee * . ' - ' " ' - . ' ¦ ' - . The Portland Harbour and Breakwater Bill was is . read a second time and referred to a select com- i-

      mittee . ' . ' _-,,., '"'" The house adjourned at a quarter to six o clock . WEDNESDAY , _Juw 3 . HOUSE OF COMMONS .-The _Spbakbe took k the chair at twelve o ' clock . The Death op Sir Robert Peel . —Mr . Hume . e . —I hope , in addressing the house , I may be ex- , x-. bused for expressing the deep regret which not only ly I but every member of this house , I am sure , must _sb feel at the loss we have just suffered by the death th of Sir Robert Peel . ( Cries of "Hear , hear . " ) II cannot allude to the conduct and career of thatiafc right hon . gentleman , more particularly of later ter years , when events of immense importance baveive taken place , mainly owing to the part whioh he he

      has enacted , without forming the highest opinionion of him as a public man , ready , as ho showed hiiminn self to be , to _saorifice power , ofiice , and _everything-ing for the passing of a legislative act which he _believedped the imperial interests of the country'demanded , ed . ( Cheers . ) It is needless for me , on this painfuliful occasion , to do anything more than express a hopo , _ipo , if the house should concur with me in the _senti-ntiment of deep regret I have attempted to give utter-torance to , that they will agree to adopt that _couTseitse ! which it appears to ine is tho best , and , indeed _^ ed _,, the only means we have , of showing our _respeclpecll for the memory of our greatly deplored and labiate ; member , by adjourning the house without proceedteed ing with any business whatever to-day . ( Cheers . ) I . ) I is impossible for me , indeed 1 have not the . powenwer to express what I feel so strongly at the _greases public less which that right hen . gentleman ' aanV ~

      death has occasioned . _When I contemplate the tbii many sacrifices he has . made , and when I _considesides the strong feelings and deep interest which havhav been manifested in this metropolis , and which I an I at : sure w . i ! J xtend , throughout the whole country , jry , si this great calamity , I hop © 1 may bo excused , eve even if there -should be no precedent—and I am »« i _» C 3 aware that thero is any precedent—on sucb an oon occ casion—one so seldom , if ever , likely to occuoccui again , at least in my time—proposing ,. out of _rofni _speot to the right hon . gentleman , whose melancholicholl death we have to lament , that the house do adjourJjourr without proceeding to any other business . ( _HeaiHeaiJ hear . ) . ; _, , " , ' : ; ¦ " * " ¦ ' *" Mr ., _Qubsioke . —As the hon . gentleman , froi- frou motives which I am ; sure all will appreciate , hw , hit submitted this motion to ' the house , and _as'lsa'lscc i no other " person connected by office with tth tit i lamented gentleman of whose loss we intend tod H

  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), July 6, 1850, page 7, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/ns3_06071850/page/7/