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      Th_: Irish Democftatio 0glati 4 ^ Atm A^...

      4 AtM a _^/ _lM _* - THE _NORTHERN STAR 7 ... i '" ... .

      <Sefi^ Is At The Present Moment Ma High ...

      < _SEfi _^ is at the present moment ma high state _etirfttment , owing to a fearful conflagration which - _^ Se with very little abatement from all the _torfs that ire making to suppress it .-Froin the !__ wav which the flames havealready obtained ; and tbeforce of . the breeze that is fenping them into yet _ ot 8 destructive fierceness , it is- impossible tb fore-« _ee where they will stop , or what will bs the ultimate eitent of their ravage . The fire originated about a ouarter past four o ' clock this afternoon , w the upper nart of tbe large double store-house on the south side of Water-street _. below Tine , owned by John Brock , grocery and commission merchant The building rans all the way through to Delaware avenue and is _^ "~~ — -nil itTTf _¥ ffTnfTTffTr _"'

      , _occupied in the different apartments and stories by Gordon and Berger . hay-merchants * , Jacob Levering , mousses dealer ; Whampc-le and Shannon ; sailmakers ; John Keller , hotel aud bowling saloon , and by John Brock for the storage of _saltpetre . —The fire raged with _grett fury , and the firemen , who were promptly on the spot , notwithstanding the narrowness of Water-street , which rendered it difficult to reach the immediate scene of tbeconflagration , would have succeeded in mastering it bnt for a terrible explosion which occurred about half an hour after the fire began . To give an idea of the scene that followed this calamity is impossible . As so > n as the flames had . reached tbe saltpetre in the store-room of Mr . Brock , several successive reports were heard ,

      and final ' y a tremendous explosion took place , spreading terror and destruction around . The force ofthe explosion wa 3 lateral , shattering the walls of the building , but it spent itself principally in an upward direction , carrying with it into the air , to the height Of 300 feet , large _burning masses of combustible's , with bricks , joists , < fec—A heavy girder was thrown sheer up about 100 feet ; and fell upon one bf the houses in Front-street , breaking : through the roof aud burying and injuring some of-the inmates , who were engaged in hastily removing -their effects . ' -At this moment there were about 3 . 000 persons on the ground" and the spectacle , of fright and confusion , and the wailing and screaming of women and children , made no a scene of horror beyond description . — "to

      Water-street , where the firemen-were chiefly collected ,-the bouses immediately adjoining _Brvck'sbuilding were completely demolished by the explosion ; while _thosesitnatedon the west side of Waterstreet and east sideof . Front-street were instantaneously _, set . on fire by the _flakes . and . cinders which were flying in aU directions . Many of the firemen were thrown , with their pipes in their hands , from the roofs of the surrounding houses ,-and others knocked down from the engines , and some , of them burned or lacerated in a dreadful manner . —The force of the explosion , and the intense heat end fury of the fire , as it burst ont onall sides , were attended with lamentable loss of life . Several men , women , and children , were instantly killed ; numbers were : frightfully

      scorched , and dreadfully burnt and mangled ; while many others were hurled into the docks , some of whom were drowned . On Delaware avenue thee was a very Urge crowd . of spectators , and when the panic seized this portion of the multitude , a great number ' of thein sprang into the river , utterly unconscious of what they were doing . _—Pen fails to depict the scene that succeeded . The dead ahd dying were borne tothe nearest drug stores _andpolica stations , or to the hospital . The wind'being fresh from the south-east , the flames spread in a north-western direction , and before the firemen had recovered from the bewilderment occasioned by the explosion , they obtained fearful headway . The buildings were nearly all eld" and combustible ; with shingled roofs . The

      fire , in spite of almost superhuman exertions on the part of the firemen , continued to make the most alarming , progress , and for six hours baffled all attempts to check it—At ten o ' clock ; the hour at which we commenced penning this report , nearly the whole of the properties embraced within the boundaries of the Delaware-river East » the east side of Second _^ treet West , the north side of Callowliill-street _JCorth , and the scuthf side of New-street South , including Delaware-avenue , Water , Front , Vine ,-and New-market streets , with- the intermediate small Btreets and alleys , were involvedin destruction . —The area contains about fair ' squares , and some twelve

      blocks , in which there were perhaps 300 _bmldmgs . The locality was one of the most - densely populated ia the city , and a large number of the residents being poor people , tbe amount of suffering . is immense . _ he houses generally were among the oldest in Philadelphia ; yet there were many valuable business stands , and some of the finest of our antiquated Quaker mansions . —After the most diligent inquiry , wehavebsen unable to obtain a complete list ofthe killed , wounded , and mi-sing . From all the information ia regard to the most melancholy part of the story of yesterday ' s disaster , we feel safe in stating the number as follows : —Killed , 30 ; wounded , 100 drowned , 9 ; _mis-ing , 17- Total , 156 .

      Ths Hasufaciubb Oi? Soap.—On Monday Some...

      Ths _Hasufaciubb oi ? Soap . —On Monday some yeturns ' relating to soap were printed by order off the House of Commons .. In Great Britain , hr the year ending 5 th- January last , the quantities of goap made . numbered l , 4 i 0 . 83 i lbs . of silicated soap ; ' 1 T 8 , 513 , 6 SS lbs . of other hard soap ; and 17 , 4 * 7 , 531 lbs . of soft soap . In the year , 195 , 570 lbs . of hard soap , and i , 60 S lbs . of soft soap were imported into Great Britain from Ireland , the duty on which was _£ 1 , 3 S 3 lis . 3 d . There were only Seven convictions for defrauding the revenue . The number of licenses granted to soap makers was 323 , of whicb 152 were resident in England , _" ; twentythreo in Scotland , and 153 in Ireland .

      _Therapeutic * . —The historyot medicine is by no means _flattering to science . It is _guesfioBahle whether more is known of diseases , their cause , aad their cure , at this moment , than in the time of Galen ; Itis certain that diseases are quite as numerous , andinthe aggregate as fatal . Every age has produced some new system of artificial _therafCUtics which the next age has banished ; each has boasted in its turn of cures , and they , in their turn ,. have been condemned as failures . Medicines themselves are the subjects of fashion . Is it not a positivt .- proof' that medicine is yet _. _msetaed r in feet , that it' has no established principles , that It isKttle more than conjectural ? ''At this moment , ' says Mr . Knny , ' the opinions on the subject of treatment are almost as numerous as the practitioners themselves . " Witness the mass of contradiction on the treatment of even ne disease , namely , consumption . Stroll attributes its frequency , to theintroduction of bark . Horton considers bark an effectual cure . Reid ascribes the frequency of the

      disease-to the use of mercury . ' _BriSonet asserts tbat it is cnrahle . by mercury only . Ruse says that consumption _ an inflammatory disease—should lie treated hy bleeding , purging , cooliris medicines , _esi starvations . _Salvadori says it is a . disease iif _detflity , - and . should be treated hy tonics , stimulating remedies , and a generous diet ' Galen _reconnneniec * vinegar as the best previ ntative of consnmp _^ tion . Dessanlt and others assert that consumption is often "brought on by taking vinegar to prevent obesity . Beddoes recommended foxglove as ai specific Br . Parr found foxglove more " hjurious in his practice than beneficial . Such are the contradictory statements of medical men 1 ' And jet there can be hat one true theory of disease . Of the __ h _ ty and ineficieacy of medicine , none have been more conscious than medical men _thtmselves , many of whom _Bare been honest enough to avoir tfceir cbnriction , and now recommend MESSRS . DU BARRY'S REVALESTA ARABICA FOOD , a farina , wh * ch * caref _ analysis has shown

      to Tbe derived from the root of an African plant , somewhat l _ n"lar to out-honeysuckle . Itappears to possess properties of a hi ; hly curative and delicately nutritive kind ; and numerous testimonials from _parCei of unquestionable respectability , hare attested that it supersedes medicine of every description in the tfieclnal and permanent removal of'indigestion ( dyspepsia ) ., constipation , and . diarrhcea , nervousness , Biliousness , - liver complaint , flatulency , distension , palpitation cf tbe heart , nervous- headache , deafness , noises in the head and ears , ' pains in ' almost every part ofthe body , chronic inflammation aad ulceration of the stomach , erysipelas , eruptions on the skin , incipient consumption , dropsy , rheumatism , ; gout , heartburn , nausea and sickness duririg ' pregnancy , after eating , or at sea , low spirits , spasms , cramp , spleen , general _debility , _paraVjas , _asthma . cou _^ _t ; ino . ufetude , _deepiessn _^ ss _, involuntary _clushing , tremore _, dMike to society , unfitness for study , loss of mtmory _, _dtlosions , vertigo , blood to the

      head , exhaustion , melancholy , groundless fear , indecision , wretchedness , thoughts of self-destruction , and maay other complaints . It is , moreover , admitted by those who have nsed it to be the best food'for infante and invalids generally , as it never turns acid on the weakest Stomach , but imparts a healthy relish for loach and dinner , and restores . ; the faculty of digestion and _Eerroas and ' muscular energy to the most enfeebled . It has the highest approbation of Lord Stuart de Cedes ; the Venerable Archdeacon Alevander Stuart , tit Ross- _^ a care of three years' nervousness ; _Jlajar-General _Homas Kin ? , of _fianouth _^ Capt . Parker , D . Bingham , K . N ., of So . 4 . Park-walk , Little Chelsea , London , who was cured of _twenfy-seven years dyspepsia in six weeks time - Captain Andrews , BJ * ., Captain Edwards , EJI .: _"WHIisun Hunt , Esq ., _Iwmster-Jtf-Iaw , King's College , Cambridge , who , after suffering years from partial paralysis , bas regained Ihe ate of his limbs in a very short Charles ef

      time upon this excellent foi d ; the Ker . Kerr , " wmslow _, Bucks—a core of functional disorders : Mr . T . "Woodhouse , Bromley—recording the cure of a lady from constipation and sickness during pregnancy ; the Rev . T . IGnster , of St . Saviour ' s , Leeds—a cure of five years _ner-Toueuess , w * _" ipasms and daily vomitings ; Mr . Taylor , Coroner of BoltoH ; Cant Alien , recording the core of epijjet ic fits ; Doctors _JJre and Harvey ; James Shorland , _?* 5- _>** f » Sjdoey-tenace , Keadhur , Berks ; late surgeon n-ue 80 th _Htyment , a cure of dropsy ; James Porter , Esq ., Att <_ street , rerth , a cure of thirteen year 3 cough , inth general debflity ; J . Smyth , Esq ., 37 , Lower Abbey-Street , Bnban ; Cornelius O'Sulliran , _ . " {* ., FJtC . & , Dublin , a perfect cure of thirty years' indescribable agony from aneurism , which had resitted all other remedies ; and 20 , 060 other well known individuals , who have sent the discoverers and importers , DD _Bjuut and Co ., 127 . Sew Sand-street , ' iondon , _testimonial of the extraordinary Banner in which their health has beea restored bv this

      -astful ana economical met , alter all other remedies had been tried in vain tor many years , and all hopes of recovery abandoned . 'A full report of important cures of the above 2 nd many other complaints , and testimonials from parties ofthe highest respectability , is , we find , sent gratis by Du Barry and Co . _'—JTonung _Chronide . I u' Barry and Co 027 , _JfewBond-sh-eet , London ; _alss of Barclay , Edwards ' _gutton , Sangar , and Hannay , and through all grocers ! _Cheung _jnedicnJerendors , and _hookssllera in the king * «__ . ClrmcJJ . —The name _ Messrs . Do Rush ' s invaluable food , as also that of their firm , have been so closely imitated that invalids cannot too carefull y look at the exart s pelling of both , and also Messrs . Du _Baesv _' s address 157 . ' New Bond-street , London , in order to avoid bdne ' imposednpon by Ervalenta , Real _ArabianBevdenta , Lentil Powder , ur other spnnous compounds of peas , beans , _iSSdSeal , _tmderadose hmtation of the name , rf _^^ _noftimr to recommend them but the reckless which tare _notm _^ _wra _anarnpiitous compounders , _SSSSssffliftAa aVsnt .

      Th_: Irish Democftatio _Sg0glati On^ *. ...

      _TH _ : iRISH _DEMOCftATIO _ Sg _0 _GlATI ON _^ * . * ' i * . _vM _" " ¦ TO THE SbiiOR ' OF THB _HOBTHEBS ST ** : " _SKS . 8 K * ° _^ _, : 18 nV _De » n " ocratic Association CnSp „ « _S ° _]^ g letter .-to Mr _^ Thomas _' _Dnblln * tr _^ U Pf i the Den » ocratic : Association , the menibers of the Ir _* _ish Alliance and tbe members of the Irish Democratic _Aawciation :- . ' . « c t "' _-l ' ' ¦ " 15 ' _'Denziel-street , Dublin . SIB , _—InthfrAbrtnern Star of last . Saturday , I _v ee _" _. _f _contents of yonr four letters to me , of date June 30 th , July , 2 nd , 5 th , and 7 tb , all of Which I replied to in a letter to yon of July 8 th , and all _beariflg _^ tf . the same * subject , on what you call a Hnio ' nbetyveen the members ofthe Irish Democratic Association " and the members of the Irish Alliance . 1 "TrnT'TrrTnniinii

      I would rather not be called upon to say anything mere ' on the matter than , what I have said already to you aud to the membera of the Francis-street branch , bnt your withholding the letter which 1 sent yon front their secretary , " Mr . John Ryan , against my wish and request , makes the writing of thiB letter an indispensable duty . And here let me ask yon why you did not comply with my _request ? I am sure it was a very reasonable one . I told the Francis-street men to let you see our communications to them , and that you would let them _seeiiine to you . They ( the Francis-street men ) did as I desired them , but you did not . Our reasons for allowing you and them to do so were to prevent suspicion and underhand conjectures on either side ;

      and I was so sure of your acting up to my request that I kept no copy of the letter , which I sent to you . Sow we , yonr brothers in Glasgow , have no interest in those opposed to you more than this , that we be-. lieve they acted right ; that as disciples of John Mitchel they could not have acted otherwise than they have done in the present case . Why , then ; kidnap onr letters to further tbe particular views of any particular body of Irishmen , when , according to your own statement , all are working for a common causa ? You said you " would respect our . decision aa that of honest houovi ible men , be . it for or _against youj" but this you did not do . As men acting upon principle and honour , where interest was out of the question , we said that you were decidedly wrong * 'Why , then , not make our honest sentiments known to all brothers in the good cause ? if we had agreed with you no doubt you would bave done this ; but this we could not do ; consequently

      our opinions aro by you suppressed , But wc will not permit this ; we will go any length , iu concession where principle is not involved , but ' we will _notj . we cannot , allow any man or body of men to think for us so long as we have got faculties of our own . You speak too rashly of the Francis-street men ; you leave far too much weight upon them ; suppose they were . all devils ,-they could not , as you State , " extinguish in Ireland the last spark of Irish nationality . " You accuse them of faults which they are not guilty of ; they never " prejudiced _ua against you , " in that letter which you refer to . of theirs ; they did not even mention one name . They did . not open their correspondence with us ina " perfidious and unmanly _maaner , " as you say . Their communications with us , as . far-as regards you , bad . _noueoftt'e characteristics which you ascribe to them . There wa 3 more , ill feeling manifested in your letter to me of the 2 nd July towards them , than would bein one thousand such letters as , tbey sent to me towards you .

      " But these are only _preliminary ' rhatters ; I must now enter upon . the real subject , the Union—is it desirable ,- _^ it necessary , —is it possible , —or is it neither of the three ? Wo emphatically say—no . V First , then , it is not desirable ' that we ; should enter into an association with men who have publicly renounced the principles < _tf _thase ' _\? QOTe creed wc have adopted , and in . whose-theory , reduced to practice , lies bur only hope . for Ireland ' s independence _, fA union with a political body , ' whose founder ( Mr . 0 . G . Duffy ) we publicly accuse of leaving bur prophet , John ilitcbel , to die in chains . What ! a union with a man who had ., ' ' no sympathy with the late immortal . lawier I" .. A union with an association of men who threw overboard the pria

      ciples of _O'Brieh and Meagher , and , afterwards , when they found out their mistake , affected to pity their fate ; It is not desirable with , us to re-commence _sinother _^ fifty years agitation , or . iny agitation at all which holds out any hope in the present Constitution :. or _Pa-liament . And yet , this _<« Parliamentary question you say remains an open ques « tion . " Did you think that tbe Democrats of . these counties were such fools as to believe you , when you call such a bundle of nonsense a union ? No , union it is nor , nor cannot be ; you must adopttheir principles ) or ihey j aust adopt yours ,, arid , in that case , it would be merely . a change of policy , _butno union : or , again , you hold your own principles , and they _tbeirsj as you partly'have done , and then what will

      you have gained on either , side ! You will ) ust end where you began . ' Biit you say " tbey ( the Alliance ) waived all objections onthe Church Question . " Devil thank them for that ; they had long . since seen that that'was a gross blunder in the formation of their , body ,. they know , or at least they . canie to know , that they were powerless to ; interfere in the matter , and they know more , thatthe second and sixth objects of our own association are questions of a similar nature , inasmuch as they never can be put into execution so long as the . present state of things continue , or so long as we are subject , to British lav . ' You agreed to put . a cmnm ' _ttea _. in working order , to watch over and protect the sacred rights of labour . ' Bah ! Protect labour , forsooth ,

      where there is no' labour to protect ; but' you will create labour , ' you will , iff « my eye , ' , under the despotic sway of . law , and capital , arrayed against _, you ; when you do I . wish yoa luck , but the thing is an absurdity . ' Take care , brothers , that you he not made the un ' conscioris tools of the wily Dufly , selected by him to work out his retrogade policy . . . ' . 'But snch a union is not . necessary , our young association is but yet in infancy ; were it not for your contention in Dublin , it would soon have been strong enough to accomplish the work , before it , and , with God ' s help , so it : will yet , although the men of Dublin , altogether , should never , shoulder a musket . We will not , in _tnis ' _movementjflobk to Dublin as our guiding star , but to ourselves ,

      wherever we are , throughout the three Kingdoms .. If yon choose to come along . with us , well and good , if not , we can go ahead without you . But if you aretruo disciples of John Mifchel , as you say you are , you will drop this union dodge , for he was no hair splitter ; Those . who could not unite or come over to you , holding his principles , ate not worth your consideration ; let them talk , if they please , but it is your'duty to act . This is the only'kind of union that ever we could sanction , and this , in the meantime ; is your plain duty . After this is done ; a proper union , based on ' princi p les , If required , will be easily ; accomplished . Thenfwei . will join ' with you ia the right sort of agitation ; then we will "form a committee' to watch oyer and protect , the sacred rights of labour . " f

      " Believe us , Brothers , yours in all sincerity , ,. . ''JOH . V _. LKfCH , " 81 , Green-street , Calton , Glasgow ... '" Jokv MuBBiT . . , _..- - . .. " Join BcAShas , Chairman ,. ofthe Committee . " Copy ofthe resolution of . the weekly meeting : — "That we , the Irish Democrats in Glasgow , having adopted the principles of J . Mitchel , our association is open to all men of sterling democratic principles , and that we could never sane tion . a union , eveni _^ were it possible , with the Irish Alliance on any pretence ¦ whatever . '' . " _Josbs ' si _O'Dohektx , ' Pax Last . ¦ - -, _-

      Nzw Locomotive Ekoine.—A Trial Has Just ...

      Nzw Locomotive Ekoine . —a trial has just been made at Charleror of a _newly-invented engine , the motive power of which operates in' , a ., completely different manner from that now hi . use . .-The inventor , M . Hector de _Callias , a Sardinian engineer , proposes by his plan to increase the _speedof locomotives _,, to gire them an adherence four times greater than tney now . have , and to decrease the ejepense of fuel . By the pressure of only , one atmosphere the . wheels made 300 revolutions a minute , . which would give a speed of twentyfour leagues aa hour . The Belgian Minister of Public Works has appointed a committee of engineers to report to him on _theexperiraents which aro to take place oh the government lines , and-has ordered every assistance to be given to the inventor to facilitate his object . ; ,. ' ¦

      Fool-caichiso . —A correspondent says : — "A very large number of letters have lately passed through the Dead Letter office , each containing a shilling ' s worth of _stamps addressed to a person who called himself a professor , and who , for some reason or other , was , non est when the letters arrived for him . These letters were addressed to the professor , in consequence of his . advertising that he would , for a shilling , ' give plain directions to enable ladies and gentlemen to win , by a simple but captivating and enthralling process , the devoted affections of as many ofthe opposite sex as their hearts may desire / From the handwriting of these letters , it was evident that they came from old , middle-aged and young persons of both sexes , in every rank and station of life . Such a fact as this _enables-an estimate to be formed of the almost marvellous extent of human credulity in this enlightened age and country . "

      _Coxsuupiioji op Tba . — On Monday a parliamentary return was printed , by which it appears that there has been an increase for the last three / ears in the consumption of tea . In 1817 the quantities retained for home consumption were 46 , 314 , 821 Ibs ., which the duty at 2 s . 2 Jd . per pound , was £ 5 , 066 , 494 . In 1848 the quantity retained for home consumption was 48 , 374 , 7891 bs . on which the duty was £ 5 , 329 , 992 , being an increase of 2 , 419 , 9 C 81 bs . on tho wece _ n _ year , whilst in 1849 , tho year ending the oth January last , the quantity retained wm 5 _wM 5791 bs _., and _thedoty paid £ 5 , 471 , 432 ,

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      _..-.:., U _, _„ . [ '' _lyitWnA . i y _^ _wy _'\*? : z : ¦; HOUSE OF LORDS . —A _^ long , list of . public and , private bills received the royal . assent ' . by : commission . _^ v . ; : ¦ : ¦ _¦ . - , ; . :, < , ; ; ., v , .- .. ¦ > _.- •" ¦ _•; , ; : Z . ¦ ¦¦ .- -, The Marquis of IansBowne brought up a message * from the Crown , requesting , that . arrangements might be made for settling Marlborough House on tho Prince ofWales . ¦¦ .-.. ¦ _•• _.-.

      -The Canterbury Settlement of Land , the Highway Bate * Biili and the Borough Courts of Record Bill , were committed , and the clauses passed . < . .. _¦ _;¦ ; On the motion ofthe Marquis of ; LA _» 8 DOwSB _,-tho order , for taking into consideration the . Commons Amendments to'the Ecclesiastical Commission Bill was discharged , and the bill is , therefore ,, shelved for the present session . : ; _i ,. " :.-The Leasehold Tenures of , Land Act ( Ireland ) Amendment Act was read a third time and passed , after some discussion ; Their lordshins then adiouvned . ! . _' _-, . <

      HOUSE OF , COMMONS . —Admission of Jews _isro Pariiamext . —The debate was resumed upon the motion of Sir E . Inohs , that the house refuse , on the claim of Baron Bothsohild to take the oath of allegiance on the Old Testament , to alter the form of taking the oath . , fr _v : : ¦;; Previous to entering on the main question a discussion aroso as to whether the proceeding had hitherto been sufficiently formal ,- and . whether the house should not be in possession of the reason why the Baron desired to be sworn on tho Old Testa-¦

      ment . ' : _•* :.,. ,. . . Mr . _Hbslet , Sir G . Gbby , and Sir J . Gbabam , were of opinion that the qnestKm _sno-jid be put to him , and Sir F . _Tbbsiobe thought that a further question would bo necessary , whether ho was a Jew » : ¦ : ¦ . .. . . _-, ¦ - . : . - . - . f .: _. ¦ _¦ ¦ . :.. _. „¦ , . Mr . Osborne hoped the Baron Would not answer such a question , which would raise , the other point as to the oath of adjuration . The Chancelwb of the Exchequer said , the question now was merely as to the form of taking tho oath ,. and he proposed that tho Baron " _ahould be called in and asked by the Speaker ? why he desired to be sworn in . that particular form •; ' ' v _, _.-Sir J . Gbaham proposed that no question be put to the . Baron . except through the chair ; that , every question be put in writing , moved and ; seconded . and carried before it be put . : _^! ' : Lord J . _RossBtn concurred in this proposition !

      The _CHANCELWR-pf . tlie Exchequer tben moved , " That the Baron do Rothschild , one ofthe members ofthe city bf London , having demanded to be sworn on the Old . Testament , be called to the table and asked hy theSpeaker why he demanded to be sworn inthat form . " : . •¦ " _*' _% The motion being agreed to the , Baron _de'Roiuscnris ' vras called in , and , appearing at the table , to the question put by the Chair , repHcd ,: . ' . ' Because that is the form of swearing whicli I declare to be most binding upon my conscience . "' He ; theu retired ; ' - ' ' ' ''"" V "'•' ' " : ¦ ¦ . .. ..

      After some further discussion upon points of form ,- ; Mr . S . Wobtley , after observing that he thought the friends of Baron de Rothschild' were taking , an injudicious course , " said ' what ' . tho "house really wanted to know was whether he came to the table with a _oonfijideintention of taking the three oaths required by the act of "Parliamentf to be taken by members' off that house ; and he' moved that the Baron be called in and asked whether he was willing to take _tbiese oaths . ¦ _'' : ' " - . '"¦ : ¦' ¦ ' ¦ _' ¦¦ ; Sir G . Grey objected to this course , which would mix up both the questions ; he thought it better to decide the preliminary question first . The house having divided , f & fr . Wortley _' s motion was negatived by 118 to 104 . " ; ; . ' , ' ¦ '" _- , The main question being then put , " ¦

      Mr . Hume moved as ah amendment , " That the Baron de . Rothschild having presented himself at the table , and having requested to be sworn on the Old Testament , declaring that form to be most bind * ing on his conscience , ; _' tho clerk be ( directed to swear him on the Old Testament accordingly . "' Sir . F . Thesioeb said , this was a ' quasi judicial question and should be argued calmly and dispassionately . He thought Sir _Rflnglis ' s original resolution was objectionable ; . there was no necessity for a resolution in affirmance of the practice of the house j _. it was for the other party toshow' that what was ' proposed could be ' 'lawfully , doner , '" He recommended that the motion should be withdrawn , and Mr . Hume ' s amendment discussed as a substantive

      motion . It was impossible , in his opinion , to separate the two questions . When a member came to the table to be sworn all the baths were tendered to him together . Tho question , taking it as _bney did not depend upon the usage of Parliament , but upon the law of the kad , and he contended that ; according to existing statutes , , ' a member of that , house could not be sworn on the Old' Testament although . that _fdrni was binding . upon his conscience . He conceded that from the earliest period in ' ouv courts of justice Jews , had been- so sworn : as ; witnesses and jurymen ; but there was . no fdrin prescribed by law for such ' oaths , . which ju ' dgies had been-in the habit ' of varying to meet . esigencies . _^ Jud ges could f not dispense with oaths ejeept . in cases

      provided by law , and to prevent the defeat , of jus- _, tice tbey . must take oathsfin the form most binding on the party's conscience . But . this was confined to juridical oaths . ' The question , now related not to juridical but tof promissory oathsf ; . and he proposed to shbwthat all these three particular oaths were required by acts of Parliament to be / taken- in the Christian form . ! He then passed ; iri ; historical review the laws passed , on the' subject Of Parliamentarypaths since the ' 5 th , of Elizabeth , the first act requiring ah oath to be taken . * by . a member of parliament , and contended that the new oaths-of allegiiiiice and supremaioy prescribed by the 1 st of William and Mary were , by the construction of that act . required to be taken on the Holy

      Evangelists-He denied the doctrine " of Mr . _jwood , that JewB were admissible to Parliament between . the 1 st . arid 13 th of William III .. The act . of the 13 thand 14 th of that'King introduced , the path of abjuration , containing the words , f On the true faith of a _i Cbristian ; ' _J andfrom that time to the ? 1 st . of . George L there had been no substantial alteration in the term of the bath ; so that by the _statufelaw all three oaths . must be taken , in the Christian form ' .- This was the clear rcsult : of the 1 st . George I ., ' taken" in conjunction' with the other statutes ,- and the contemporaned ezpositio confirmed thia construction . If so , no authority . ' short of , an act of the Legislature conld change the form of a promissory , oath or oath of office . Great ' stress had been laid , upon the act 1 st . and 2 hd [ Tibtona , ' chap . _li ) 5 , but it had not tho

      bearing contended for ' ; it . was a declaratory act to affirr _^ thelawa _& itno doubfc ' _e- _'isted ; and . an affirmative _^ statute , declaratory . , of . . tho . . law , had no repealing operation oh the coihnion ; Jaw or statute law . . _fiaron do ; Rothschild , as . a ' Jew , could not take , the oath . of abjuration as ifc stood ; the . house had no authority to strike out ¦ the words , '' on the true . faith of a . Christian ; " consequently , it was impossible thatthe oath , could be . administered to the Baron in . the form he required . Tho facta that no oho had , dreamt of this course of . proceeding until now , au ' d ' that Lord J . Russell had introduced in two sessions bills to . legalise the . alteration , afforded a presumptibn against su ' ch _. a course , which , might be attended with mischievous if . not dangerous consequences „ byleadingto . aco ? lisiohwith thecourts of law and the House of Lords ; ,

      Lord J . Russell concurred . with Sir P . Thesigeb , that this question ought to : be treated _asa strictly judicial _iquestion _. The electors , of London having TCtuwieu tbe Baton de : RotbBobild ito tbis bouse , it was due to them , and to the . whole body of electors of the united kingdom ,- tbat nothing but a positive obstruction , iof law : should 'induce the house to exclude him from his seat ,-and that , in ; the absence of any positive obstruction ; they should afford him every facility . rHe . believed that ithe . ancient practice of the ; _legislature did npt prescribe oaths to its member ? , and be doubted the . policy of suen oaths , which , while they . entangled consciences , provided no security for right legislation . The Baron had offeredto take the oath in an unusual form ,

      and there was no precedent for . the , reception or tbe refusal of such a form . ;; Then he went to usage in the courts of law , and be found , from the _^ ig h authority of Lord Hardwicke , citing Lord Hale , thata Jew ,, sworn on the Holy Evangelists , might be indicted for perjury , the Old Testament . being the evangeliwn of the Jew . There were two . circumstances material to this question—first , " ' . tne 1 st George I . repealed the acts requiting the oath of allegiance and supremacy to betaken on the HpJy Evangelists , there was no act in existence bmding the house to administer these oaths onthe . _Aew Testament ; secondly , from the lst to the ISth ot William IIL , there existed no oath directly , excludine Jews from the Legislature . - Sir F . '

      Thesiger had argued that these oaths had always been taken in the Christian form , and that it was so by positive statute ; , but he had : failed to make this out ; all that he had shown was that it had been the custom so to takethem ; but unless some statute could be pointed out he did not think the nous * should insist upon a . form which excluded a gentleman duly elected . The question was , whether the house should allow the Baron to say what oaths he was ready to take with respect to the words " onthe true faith of a Christian" in the oaths of abiuration . Some said they were not , of

      the essence of theoath ; but he did not think it waB in the power of the House to dispense with the words , and he should be compelled to vote against omitting them . Although he was in favour of the admission of Jews into that houseand of abolishing this remnant of a persecuting spirit , if the Baron could not take his seat as the oath stood at present , no opinion in favour of the Baron ' s claim should , he thought , induce the House to take a step which might be attended with serious evils . If perfectly convinced that he was right , he should not fear any consequence of a collision with the courts of law ; but if not acting according to law , the iouse would be r « allye _» rci « Dg a dispensing

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      ¦ 2 ? M ? _'"Otild-fir ailowed-to he sworn - on-the Old _ffestantent _; mm was _ftSt'willingWalter theltermB ot . tneoath of abjuration without the authority ' 'of an _actrofipariiament _; *' . ' : ' _- ' ? " _^ ' ZrZ : 'l ; _' \ ; . j . _¦"; - ¦ - . ' _'f Sir _^ _Bfotra acknowledged the nioral ' courage _f _^ rodehce of the speech of tho ' _-noblo lord . ' -As the Baroni when he took the t 0 aths ; must hold all three in his hand , iio advantagecouid . be gained'by permitting liim to _edme'to the table . when 'he was prepared to take only -twoi " V . » _.- ¦ _- ; . ' . ' _.. - •• - , , At tbreeo'blbck , ' on ; the motion of ' Sir Cf- Grey , tne debate was adjourned 'until five o ' clock , - when the house again met . _; _' : • ' ¦ _••••> • • _^; _f _ffAwotou- Laud Compant . —Mr . H ; Browk said , ne'had to ' _present'a petition from-the members of an _asweiation called tho "National Land Company _^ _m- _^ hich were charges affecting the _oharacter of af _member ' of the house . ' -. He moved that it be read by the clerk ' at tho table : > "

      The SrEAkKR inquired'iif the hon . member had acquamted'the' hon := member to' whoni he had reterrcd that he would present-a petition containing those _charges '? ¦• ' . - ¦ ¦ ¦ '¦ ¦ _¦? . ; Mi _\ P . 'O C 0 S * _"bn . Oh , yes ! Ihave gbta copy of it .- It is precisely similar to the petition which wns presented _^ the commencement' of the session . * I have no objection'to its being read , if I am allowed to / _make-aroply-. ' : ; - _••'• ¦ ' . .... : '_ Mr . > W . pATTENsuggestedthatj as it was a copy ot a petition which had been already under the notice ' _of- _' thehouse , 'there was'no necessity for reading'it . ' . ' . _< : -. _v _- _.- ¦ ¦¦ - : ; _; ¦ , . .. ! :. ¦ - ¦ -: ••>• ¦ -, ' - : [ Mr ; Brown . —It is- not a copy of the petition re / erred to . ' _^ . . ¦ ¦ ¦¦ . - _: - ¦ ¦

      Mr . F _; O'CbSHOR . —I say-it _ispreeisely ' the same ; Mr . _Buow _** . ~ It is nota copy of a petition presented oh any former occasion , biit I have already given the hon . member a copy of it : , ; Mr . Pf O' Conkob . —It ' s word for word . ' ! _' _^ The clerk then proceeded -to read the petition , whioh gave a detailed iicooiint oV the origin [ of the _National'Land _'Compsriy , . 'ind of the settlement ! at Snig ' _s End , ' and prayed inquiry into all the circumstances Ofthe case , '¦ ' '¦ _' ¦ : ¦¦ ; "¦• . _'' " ¦'¦ ¦; . - Mr . ' Hi' BnowN gave notice that _to-rabrrow he would move thatthe petition be printed with' the votes ; . ; '" ¦ _¦ ' ¦ ¦ ' ' ' ¦ - _? _'/¦ ¦ "i •' ¦¦ .- " ¦ ¦ -. .: . -. - ' ' '

      _! _Mh _¦ _P _^ _p'C _0 _Nr _6 _Rrepeated'that the petition presented by the honourable member for Tewkesbury was the ' same as the petition oh which hohad _previously made some observations . These petitioners _whocCmplainedsoloudly had had as . ' much as i 50 aid money allowed them ; ahd they ; had never ' paid a farthing of vent . -Yet these we ' re'the _psirties who tholight fit to abuse him ; _'; ' " ' - " ¦ '' ' [ . '" AnMissioif _OF'Juflrs ;—Tbe debate was resumed by Mr . Anstey , who replied to Sir 'F . Thesiger , and strongly condemned the proceedings of Lord John Russell . ' _- ' ¦ - _- ' - ' ' . "¦ : ¦ : _*¦'¦ ¦ - _* _- : ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ - ¦ , ¦¦ ¦ ¦?•• _-, _^ Mr . Woon observ ' ed that his general proposition , that all Oitths shoiild . be administered in tho mariner most bindirijg on the' conscience , had ' riot : been controverted , and he contended that this rule annlied

      to ' oaths of Office ; _aswell ' as ; to juriilicial oaths , in all Countries ' The ' ' act first' arid second Victoria destroyed all the argument of Sir F . Thesiger upon this point' since it included - " all 1 cases , " and expressly mentioned 6 n ' appoin ' _tment to any office or employment _^ Th " e thirtieth ' of 6 'haries Il . made no mention Of the Holy Evangelists , and the first of William and Mary abrogated ! the oaths required by the acts of Elizabeth and James , ne' purposely avoided the question respecting the bath of abjuration . _^ ' ¦ _"' ¦ ¦ " ' _. ' : ; ' '•"'• " - ¦ .. _- _-..- _>; _i . * _- > - ' -v . i _.-. _;" _- . - ' _MrrS . WORTLET . shoulb' vote against ' the amendment , on the grourid ' that ; _iiccordiriff to the nractice

      of Parliament and the information contained in the jolivnals , ' all the oaths ' _Bbbiild be combined ; as . it must be inferred fr ' oin what had ' been stated by Bareade Rothschild that lie was not of the Christian persuasion , there was a manifest absurdity in allowing'him to take two of the oaths when it was known that at tho next step the door must be ' shut upon him . ' " ' ¦ ¦ " ¦ ¦¦ ¦ ¦¦ ¦¦> _' ¦ ¦¦ ' ' " The motion of Sir R . Inglis haying been by consent negatived , a division' took place' upon Mr . Hume ' s amendment ; which was carried by ' . 113 against 59 . ' ' _^ ,: ' - . ¦ ' - ' _*•' ¦ '• . ¦ . , ;';• It being'then too late to ' administer the oaths the' matter stood 'Over , iintil Tuesday , at twelve o ' clock ; ¦'¦ ' - ¦¦ "'

      The _Mbbcantiivi ! _Marito Bimwas then read a third time ; and , with further amendments passed , TnB Pbinob _OPfWiMS . —Moke ExTBAvAaAi _* CE . ~ The house then-resolved itself into a committee . to consider the" ( Jiieeri ' _s Message' with . reference to the _appropriatibri of ; Marlborough House to-the Prince of Wales ; ' ¦¦ ' ' ¦ ¦ ' '•'• : ¦ The Chairman put the Question on the' following resolution ";— " That her Ma jesty be enabled to appropriate Marlborough ' House as the residence for his - Royal Highness Albert Edward , Prince of Wales , during the joint lives of her Majesty and his Royal Highness , and to provide " a Coach-house and stables but ofthe land-revenues of the Crown . " . _Mri ' _'TRBtAwNKT wished toknow _. bcfore assenting to the resolution , why ' the noblblbvd'had refused to 1

      grant certain retUrn _^ which ' had : been moved , for with ¦ respecttb'theDuchyfbf Cornwall ?" . i : \' . ' .: Lord J .-RirksELi . replied that ' ther ' e werb certain returns . which were by act ' of Parliajn ' e ' nt directed to be laid before thb house , ' with , respect to / the Duchy of Cornwall , and these returns were always punctually given . With respect to the returhs to which the hori ; gentleman referred , ' he , ha _' d ' . to ' _Bay that the house , having in the ' earlv part of the ' session negatived the hon . gentleman ' s motibni that Parliament-should assunio a control over the revenues of the Duchy of . Cornwall , f he f did not think it necessary to grant' the' returns which had been asked for . ' - ( Hear ; hear . ) " ' . ' . f [ ; . . . Mr . Tkbl ' awnt said a few words in reply ) wliich were ' inaudible . ' '

      Mr ; 'Hume saidj _' . it appeared to him that the resolution they' were now asked to' agree to was rather premature , considering' that thO . 'Prihce of Wales was only nine ' years of age' ( _Hearjfheari ) It would be recollected that amisunderstaridirig : took place before ' with reference to Marlborough _Houses when it was voted to the late' . Queen Dowager , It was generally understOodithat her . Majesty . was tb keep it iri order herself , hut it turned Out that the house had resolved that it _shbuld ' be'kept iri' repair at . the expense of the nation , aiid a bill for . " £ 44 , 000 was accbrdingly . sent'in . for repairing it , and wb had had , 'to keep'it iri'repa ' ir ever , since ; . ( Hear , hear , ) He did riot see tho use of appropriating Marlborough House to thei Prince of ' Wales ' so , many years before ¦

      it would be wanted bvhirriV , ' ( Hear , 'hoar . ) . ! '" : "'"' " Lord J . _RussKLrj ; 8 aid , _'heliiad mcritibned the _prbiibsarto seybrar hQrif . inombers ' , before bringing , it orwarbyarid he had never h ' earMriy QOjection to it till how . ' His hbn . friehd . did ribt ' seerii to remember what he had formerly stated " , ' tb ' . the house . . .. What he had stated was , ' that'Marlborough House ! being ; Crbwri _; property ttio . Queen , had been' graciously pleased to direct'th ' at , the * pictures of the Vernon Gallery , whroh were then in the National Gallery , but in a place were it was _. complained they were ' nofc well ' seen ; should be removed to Marlborough House in order that tho publio might have an opportunity of seeing'themi H . e ' thbiighfc that that should not bo forgotten ' . ih connexion witb ! . this . '" Q uestion ' .

      { Hca _^ h " ™ _: ) ' : lt >\ certaihlyffdid ; appear _^ _ner Majesty ' s gbye _rnment'that _. ' noTV would be a proper time to advise her Majes _^ 's ; to _ask'fParliament to make a _settlemeint _, with , respect to the Prince of Wales' residence : m Marlhbr 6 ugh ! ' House . ; . ! Th * ey ' di (' not - think ; it desirable that 'Marlbbrough : _House should be occupied with pictures , or with any other thing , until it cqiiidbo Baid tbat . it had been 80 long occupied in ; thafcway : ' th ! a _£ it would be wrong , , without ever having' mentioned / the matter before ; to ' give it to the'Prince'bf _Walesif ( Hear , hear . ) \ T _^ e government \ thought"it , better ,, instead of leaving room fbr ' nn ' _pbjeCtibri of that kind , > tb advise her _MnidRtv tn'sniirt „ _KifeRRiiiro tn _Pni-linmont 6 n the

      subject'iiovf _^ ' ' : ( Hc ' ar , hear . ) ' Hef repeated that'hb h _.-icl riot hea ' rd ' any " _obje ' otion ' to ' jfc' before , and , he . could hardly have proposed it later , in ' the _seisioti than the present time . ( Hear , hear ;) ' ; ... j _"¦ Mr ; Hume remiridedftne . ribble ' lord that ' he _> had ; objected tb _the'reihoval of ; the Vernon ' pictures to ; Marlborough House ; What he wanted was that the Government should remove the Royal Academy in order to . make rObrii ; for that . additiori to thb national collection ; ' They . would then have only one establishment instead of two . ( Heav hear . _' )' , Iri order toftake tho sense of the committee ' on the matter he would move that the Chairman ' report prOgresSi" - ';'" ¦ \ - 7 ; '_ ' ¦ ' ¦ _'* ' Z " . " _. f ' i '"" . 1 Mr . ; S *? ooNER thought that he . had heard tnb word " stables '" in the ' resolution I' He wished to know

      why stables were to be provided ? . ' i . Lord Se _y mour said , he could eitpliiin that point . A good many'years ago _^ whenthe act was _passed for the erection of _Carlton-terraceVit was intended that the terrace should be carried somewhat further than it actually was carried . ' Ther ' e . ' weve . _atablbs in connexion with'Carlton House , arid as the , house was aware , these were ' given _' up to tho late . Queen Dowager ; and the Riding'House was devoted to the Records . There was now an opportunity of getting the ' eorde removed , and he ( Lord Seymour ) thought that this would be a good opportunity of getting rid of 'the stables ; also . Be . had asked what was ' the value of the property to the land ' reveriuesofthe Crown ; and he bad been . told that it was w ' orthfrora £ 16 . 000 to £ 20 , 000 ; It had

      appeared to him ' , therefore , desirable that they should _rembve'those stables , arid replace the stables formerly belonging to _Marlborough House / but which wero _puflef down . ( Hear . ) He bolioved that the land' revenues would be benefited about ¦ £ 800 a-year by the extension of _Carlton-ferrace , \ Mr . Home denied that Marlborough HouBe helonged to ' the Crown '; it ' belonged to the ; hatibn . ( Hear , hear . ) "It was originally built fov the Duke of Marlborough , and it afterwards reverted to the nation as national property . The question might arise whother they had not better sell itratherthan inoumber themselves with so many _palacesi . Mr ; Bbiobt did rio » think tho noble lord had given sufficient reasons for inducing the house to agree to tho _yote , If it were a proper thing tbat

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      _Ahe . houso _,, Bhoul _4 . gi » aJdarIborougb « Hou 8 eitothe Prince of Wales , they wouW . most likely _^ do it nine years'herioe as wellas _! ndWj ; .. There . _# _as , uo ; _neceasity _. Hhat he Baw _, ;*' tb '' determitte , this ' q _^ night . " - ••' - < ¦¦ ; -- ' ., -, . . ¦ _„ ,.. ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ : ,. ; : The _CHANCEttbH of the _; ExOHEquBR . saidit might be _suppose'd that the _^ _house ' was incurring a great expense-by this vote , ' but the ; fact . was'that the . arrangement proposed was _mbst _^ advantag ' eous to the publio ; (" Oh , deaf ! " frbm _' Cblbnbl Sibthorp , and laughter . ) Z _'' ' " _^ "•' ' V ' . ¦[[[[[ ' [ .. [ y _»;< -, i ; . ¦¦ _¦ _'¦•' ' Mr . ' Henley could see no reason " _iwhy "the honse wasto _hamper itself arid the ' _CrbWri with . what was to happen nine years hence , ( Hear . ) , It was _jpossible' _^ that the Prince might riot ., be alive nine years hence . How could ' ariy ' one say , that there

      mightnot be changes of opinion before that time as to what it mi | fht be desirable tb 'do with Marlborough _Houbb and . St ! "James ' s Palace ? . If the house settled Marlbbrough House " upon the Prince , they might have to buy him out if any gireat national . improvement' were to bo carried out . - It would then be' said that " J the house would bo : bound to find hini another residence . If they wanted to pull dpwn the , _stablest that could not be done without an act . of parliament . ¦• The noble lord ' s argument , ! that ; 'if _Mavlli _^ ough House were tenanted by the pictures complaints would ; be made nirib years hence if they- were removed , '; - was . hot worthy of a reply . ( Hear ,, _hean ) f ' . """' " _' .. ! ' ! . ' • ' Mf . TREUwNY believed that , if the returns , he had asked for wore granted , it would appear ' that so ; large' a revenue might be . produced from the diiohy bf CornwaUthat it . would be _unnocesaary to ask the house ; to vote any _CBtablishnieiit for tho

      _Pi-ihce of Wales . "" _"'"* ' '"""„' .. ! Alderman Sn > NEY . ~ If the noble lord ( J . Russell ) forced the UouEe' to' divide ; he , would place hon . members in a most' unpleasant ' position . ( Hear , heat ' . ); It certainly , did appear to ne wholly premature for thehou ' se to be * discussing the question of a residence for a youth , of , nine years / of ago ; The Prince might dislike the house , as a residence . when he became eig hteen . ' . The present vote , ' following aait did a recent yotb of that house with regard to another ! member bf ' the royal family , . which was regarded as ' a pieiie ' of great extravagarice . out of doOrs- ( cheers)—mighfclead ' [ ike publio to ! infer that the house had nothing to ' do fwitn their . surplus reyeriue but to ! find _palacesi fortne . rbyal ' family . "He trusted that the noble lord would consent to- postpone the resolution ... ;" . _!¦ ,,, f The committee divided . The numbers were : — .

      ., ; For the resolution ... ... ... 68 _. ' . ' . _'' : " Against if _, „ .. ' ... ff . ' , ' ... , ... 46—22 f Thp resolution was then agreed to , and the bouse resinned . _, ' ¦' . ' ! . ! , .., ' ¦" . ' . ! _, ' ... ,.- '• _¦ " ' A . irio . tion by Colonel Sibthorp _^ for . ari address to the Crown to direct the Attorney-General tp _sanctiotf ' an information for an injunction iestricUng the erection of buildings in ! Hyde Park , was negatived . ! The _house'then went into Committee of- Supply upon' the Navy Estimates , and afterwards upon the Commissariat Estimates , arid Civil Contingencies , when various votes were agreed to . ! ' The _CHAiBSWf" reported progress ; to sit again on Thursday ;" ' '" * ' "' " " ; _.,,, ' ¦ ¦ _; :. _; . Certain bills were advanced astage . ... Thb 'Fees . ( Count 01 ? _Chanceby ) . Bii ' _t , andi the _CbuiEcriON of _FiNss ( Ibbun ' d ) Biiji _, were withdrawn . ' , f '' ' ' ' /'" . '¦'[ _.-. ' ....,,. '• •¦¦ ' ¦ ' ¦ ' The fbinaining business having been , disposed of , the house adjourned at a quarter , to two o'clock ;

      TUESDAY , Jutv SO . HOUSE . OF LORDS . —The house sat an hour , and disposed of some routine business ,. Their lordships unanimously assented to the address graritmg : Marlborough House to _; the Prince of HOUSE OF C 6 MMONS .-. SirR . Pkei ; was introduced by Mr . Ca ' rdwell and Mr . Goulburn , and took tho oaths arid ; hia seat as mombor for Tamirprth , in . the room of his late father . The hon . member was warmly welcomed by several members on the Conservative side oftheihouse . . ... : _; . ¦ ¦ ' _^ nMi _asib ! " 05 Jews ho EAnLiAMENt . ~ _Thte _Speakeu having called upon any other member desiring to bo _swbrii to come to the table , ...

      The Baron Rothschild entered , and , supported on the . ohe _sidebyMr . W . 'P . Wood _. and by Mr . J . A . Smith oil , tlie other , ' advanced to the table amidst the most ' enthusiastic cheering from the members ohthe . Liberalbenches . r . " _-.. ' .. Lord J . Russeu , suggested that the resolution of the . _housej allowing the hon . member to be swora brithb Old . Testament , should be communicated to bim . _, " . ' , ' . " ¦ .. ! - ¦ : ¦ _:, - ¦¦ ¦ _•< . 'A copy of the Old ! _Testament having been procured ,, , '• _- '¦ ' . . ' ¦ .. _» ,- ' . ;¦ ¦ _'' . ' , [ The Speaker , addressing the baron , said : Baron Lionel deRothschild , Ihave to inform you that the house has , come to the following -, resolution : — " , ThatBaronLionelNatharide . Rothschild , one of the meirib ' _ei'S for- the City , of London , having presented himself at the table of thehou'JO _, and having , ' previously ' " _^ taking , the , oaths , requested , to be _swbrn on the Old' Testament ( _being'the form : which

      he _i . has declared at the table tb he most binding on his conscience ) , the Clerk be directed to swear him iri onthe Old Testament accordingly . " ' ! The hon . member , having taken the book in his hand , the clerk read to him , sentence by sentence , theoath of allegiance , wliich the baron repeated after hini in a clear and distinct manner , and at the conclusion took the oath according to tbo Jewish forin , viz ., by coveringf his-head and kissing the bobki The same form was gone through with the bath of supremacy . , . . -. \ The bath of abjuration waB also tendered , and thb baron followed the clerk , repeating the Words after him until ho reached . , the words- _' ' . JJpon the true faith ofa Christian . " The baron then paused , and after _? a ' Beoorid-or t * ffb said , "I omit these words , as . not binding , upon my conscience . " He then placed his bat upon nis ncad , kissed theOU Testamentand added"So help me , God . '?

      , , The act of swearing in this way , accoriipanied with" ; this explanation , elioited loud and repeated bursts of cheering _fromtbe Liberal _partyi The barbri then took theperi , arid was proceeding to sign the ' parliamentary roll , when he was interrupted by loud cries of "; withdraw" from the Opposition " , answered byfeqiially loud cries of " no , no , " from the _Liberal benches _. The _SmKBRi—Thef hon . member miisfc withdraw . ( Renewed _crieeLot " no ,. no , " and " seat ; _seatj" from the same quarter , foHowed by cries of " order" and , chair" from the . Opposition . ) ' In the midst of the , ex 6 iteirieht ,. Mi * . Hume and . SirF . | THE 8 iOEn rose together , but the . latter hon . member , having caught the Speaker's eye , was

      called upon .-Loud _.-cries of . . Hume , ' "Hume , " _however , again brought that hon . member upon his legs ' ;" and , after the lapse of some mqment 8 , Sir"f . Thesiger still remaining standing , arid the calls for each . hon . member continuing , _; ff Mr . Hume obtained a partial ; hearing , by saying , I-rise ; sir , to , 6 i' _^ er-- ( hear , ! hear }~ and in this way _:-rrAs I understand ,, sir , yoii have directed the hon . member for the City of London to retire . ( Hear . ) . That hon , member has taken the necessary oaths ' . at tho table , ( "No , no * ''! '' yes , ' . ' arid bhebrs ; " ) Yes , I say . he has taken the oaths at the table . ( Cries . of ,. " . n ' o , " ,. _^' yes , " -and- considerable interuption .. ) f lie has . taken the baths on the table . ( Morb interruption . ) If . hon . members will only

      hoar putiny sentence they will find 'here is _nooccasibh ' ib interrupt me . ! ( Hear , ! . hear , ) I say the hon ., member has . taken the oaths . in that form and iri _tlibsb . words whioh aro most , binding upon his conscience !! ( Loud cheers . ) The . vote which the house " cairie to last night expressoly stated that he should be' pbrmittcd to do so , he _having previously declared tbatf ho was prepared . to . use jsuch words , ' an'd . tb ' . takb'the daiths in _^ . thatfform , which _*** o uJd beiriost biridihg ' on , his conscience .. _Now _± 1 bold tho hon . member has done that , and that in-doing ' it _hohas complied with the requisition of thohouee , ' I objeot , therefore , to his being obliged to retire . ( Cheers , arid cries of "chair , " and " order . " ) I

      will conclude _by'moying that thehon . member for the City of London do take his seat . ( Cheers . ) ' , The _SmKEE—I must remind the hon . member that ho . rose to order . ( Cheers from the opposition , ) With regard to the hon . member for the City of London , as I understood bim , he did not repeat the three" last words of the path , reqoired by the aot of parliament to bo taken by members previous to taking their seats , and that he objected to do so . ( Hear , hear . ) Therefore ; I requested him to withdraw _^ that tno-house might come to some decision in the case ! ( Cheers . ) ¦ _i _; . Sir F . _Thbbioer then moved , without offering any arguments , that a ; now writ should issue for the City of London . ! Sir R , _Isoiia seconded the motion ,

      . Mr . Pa ' Woon showed , from various ' statutes , that the _omisBion or total refusal t _» take the oath of abjuration did not vaoate the member ' s seat in parliament , Negatively , therefore , no cau * e existed why a now writ should issue . But he proceeded to arguo the case positively , that the oaths had that day been taken by the member for London in such legal and « _ufficiont _fem . as to entitle aim to tako in _soat , The omitted words referred not to _. _wlrafc wm sworn to , but what was > _sworn hy ; they did not declare the faith , but confirm the ndjuration of the deponent . ¦ And the decision of tho nouso that every member should be _bwom according to : the form most , binding on his conscience this _olavBeand sufficient to

      governed , was _juatlfy its omissiM . This conclusion the hon . member supported at mnch length , arguing that a contrary opinion involved the absurdity of deolaring tbo _ebjeotiona Popish recusant convict . He also corroborated hie argument by the precedent set ia the admisBion of Mr . Pease , of whioh the technical proceedings had only been ascertained during the present session , the journals of tbe honse for that year having been destroyed when the House ot _ConmonB flat burnt in 1834 . It wa » now , however , proved tbat tho terms of the abjuration oath wero altered throughout for tbo benefit of Mr . _Peaee , to a nmib greater extent than wm now re

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      quired'by _Barbtf'RbthabhiiarWd' _^ wider libartf wasncoorded . to . tbeQiiakerthaniw » s ; _soDgbtt-j hi Obtained by , the . Jew ; After ,-having'admitted tha prinoi ple _^ and conceded the . point , tbat _! _a'toember though not a Christian might _taktthe oaths " , a narrow technicality waB now pleaded as a : cause why their previous resolution should be non-effect . The hon ; member , concluded by _moving an amendment declaring _tkat the seat for the City of London was The . AiiORitBT-GENBnAL admitted the principle * and declared his own wish ,, that Baron RothacUild and his brother , religionists should bo admissible to _sitm the legislature .- But judicially _considering a _case _. which turned altogether up on points of liiw he had most reluctantly como to theconcliision that

      the oath of abjuration couldnot be Baid to be taken , as the statute required that it should ba taken , if those words' were omitted to which Baron Rothschild had objected . They formed ' a vital part of the oath , and by leaving them out its whole tenor would be vitiated . Tho act in which tha words were inserted was clearly an enaotingstatute , definite , and precise in its terms , and not to be dispensed with upon inferential grounds . He reminded the house that in the case of Mr . Pease , on which so * much stress was laid , great doubts prevailed as to the correctness of the course adopted ; insomuch that an act was subsequently introduced and passed for confirming the resolution adopted by the Commons . lb might , be

      true that the abjuration oath was now useless , since it abjured Pretenders , who were not now in existence but so long as the act remained on the statute-book it must be observed . The house _mignc justly demand its repeal , but could not ; upOn their single authority , declare its inutility , or omit ita observance . Forthe sake of the house itself , it was of too utmost importance that one branch of the legislature should not usurp the powers exercised by all those in _coniunction . He apprehended great danger from tho precedent they would set' it they allowed the words tc be omitted . The strict interpretation ofthe act being once violated , tliero was no clause or . _section of the oaths which might not , under the sanction of that example , bo hereafter altered retrenched - ¦ -

      or . ....,. t Mr . fC . Ahsiev denounced the unfair treatment which Baron Rothschild had received at the hands ofthe government . - His case -was prejudged without being heard . Instead of listening to the arguments , in his behalf , the Prime ' Minister had pronounced a premature opinion , and intended to summon a tyrant majority to support him in his negative . The quakers and Roman catholics wero used very differently ; but the catholics numbered millions , while the'Jews were'but forty thousand . A . legal discussion ensued , in which the lawyers differed very much from each other , and thero waa hair-splitting on the matter . Members ' not " . learned inthe law , " thereupon requested more time-to consider the subjeot , and ¦¦¦ •• ¦ _-.

      ¦ An irregular and stormy discussion , as on previous occasions , ensued relative to the propriety of adjourning the debate . Several motions to thab effect were made , but successively withdrawn , and the house divided upon Mr . 'Wood ' s amendment—* ¦! . - : . : Ayes _.,..-: ' .. ; _,-,. - ••„ - ;„ 117 T 1 _? T ¦" ' _, ' ' " ' - ••• 221-104 Lord J . Kusseix observing upon the delicacy of the question that was now left for decision ; recommended the house to take an interval for reflection before pronouncing the seat of the Baron Rothschild absolutely vacated _. Sir F . Thesioer consented to withdraw his resolution .

      Mr . Y . SMrra objected to tbat course . "Ho wished to have the resolution fairly put and negatived . Lord J . Russell moved the adjournment of tha debate to' Thursday . Mr . _Ht"mb and other members objected to allow the vote touching the vacancy of the seat ,-nnd tha issue of a new writ for London , to remain so long in suspense . A warm Controversy Upon this point wiis closed by the surrender of Sir F . Thesicer's- resolution .

      which was put and negatived without a division . An understanding was afterwards come to that the government would propose a , serics of resolutions calculated 'to ' suitthe '' existingphas % ' of tha question , arid the house at twenty minutes past four , adjourned until half-past six . The house resumed at that hour , The _Msir _Frascsisb . —The order . for taking into consideration the Lords' amendments to tha Irish Parliamentary Voters Bill having been removed ,

      Lord J . Rcssbll stated ; according to the announcement Which ho had previously made , that ha intended to ask tbat house to replace . by £ 12 tha £ 15 rating qualification , which the Peers had substituted for tho £ 8 originally inserted in / the bill . Their lordships' omission of . the second , clause ( tha joint occupancy clause ) he should aot attempt to disturb ; but he would propose the restoration of the 18 th and two following clauses , also struck out in tbd Upper House , which , toad © enjoyment of tha franchise involuntary on the part of . the _electw . Referring to the just announced result of . the Mayo election luptbof of the rapid diminution , of tno

      county / constituencies , tho noble lord calculated that a £ 15 qualification would place only eight per cent , ofthe adult male population on . the polling list ,-which the £ 12 he proposed would increase to no niore than the _modorate and requisite average of t ten per cent . He assigned , however , far more importance to the _provision bestowing the franchise upon the voter without compelling him to prefer and establish his own claim . Mr . Gaskem thought that a moderate measure of extension snch as was offered in the bill sent down from the Lords , was just and politic ; ' . but ho objected to any ' step approaching the notion of democratic reform .. , /•' , . ' . '

      Mr . Fhench declined to . accept the compromise suggested by the government . Mr . _Moohb strongly condemned tho course pursued , both by the government and the opposition , on this question .. _l _"* h y was it that the Whigs , who had been playing at Tories for three-years , in Ireland , had _oecomo Whigs again ? ( A laugh . ) , What was the reason , that they . found Saul onci mora among tho prophets ? ( A laugh . ) He would aBk gentlemen on that ( the Ministerial ) side ; of the Bouse , why they had so suddenly awoke from theis slumbers on those benches , and were again in arms for reform ? When he saw ' such things ho could not help saying with Sir Christopher , in the Critic , " The state some danger apprehends . " ( Hear , and

      a laugh . ) It was because the cruiser was in danger that the slave was to be armed in his defence . ( A laugh . ) If h ' e ' was wrong in these suspicions —( hear , hear , from Lord John Russell , and : laughter ) --whatever might be the meaning of that cheer or sneer , of the noble lord , he would tell , him that if hQ pledged himself to the liberal Iriah members in that house that he would at . the beginuingof next session introduceanother bill for tho reform of the _IriBh franchise , at least as liberal as the one mutilated by the House of Lords ; and that -he would exert himself strenuously and sincerely , and % a bono ) fide spirit , to carry such a measure , he would not fail to command thoir voices in his favour . . But if , as he believed , he was evading this quostion , and tryina

      to settle it , he cared not whether through . compromise or . submission , he ( Mr . Moore ) would , not lift a hand to fight tho paltrv party-battlo in which ho was engaged . To _jsntlemen on the other ( tho Opposition ) side of tho house , he would say— " Yon have re-opened tho old'feuds whioh circumstances had . contributed to allay ; yon hare begun -the war again ; and I ask you to remember that it Will be a war carried on between us as of old ; it will be a war between our seed ; and your seed . ¦ ( A laugh . ) You may bruise our head , but we will bruise your heel . ( "Oh , oh 2 " ) You may declare waragainst us , and I believe a more impolitic ; -a more foolish , a more suioidal course- than tbat whioh youjhav _© adopted was ¦ ne _^ er perpetrated by any party ,

      however _reokless : or unscrupulous , that the world has over seen . " ( Hear , hear . ) An extension . ot' the' franchise was the only protection ngainst mob law . A , large constituency was strong enough to protect itself , bnt a small body of electors waa easily _eubjeoted to the intimidation of the mob . ( Hear , hear . ) A small number . of electors—say a thousand—scattered over a large county and isolated from each other , might as well bs placed in the midst of a pack of wolves as left in so unprotected a position . ( Hear , hear . ) Two freeholders who voted for him were attacked in their houses during the night by a gang of savages who cut off a portion of each oftheir ears as a punishment for _navins disobeyed the " wishes of the mob ;

      and ho believed that every inhabitant , of that village who voted as these men did would all ba treated in the same way ; ( Hear , hear . ) Tho history of the Irish franchise was tho history oftheir own crimesandfollies ; So long as tho 40 s . freeholders yielded slavish obedience to the will of landlords no indignant cry was heard against them from the , Tories ; but whenever the cry of these " hereditary bondmen" was raised , and thoy began to exercise their right , as at tho memorable eleotion for Clare , it was resolved to destroy them , for no other reason than because they ' baa proved they were fit to exercise the privilege . Colonel DwfNE , Colonel _EAwnow , Mr . _Cieme _*™ , Mr . O . _AssTET , Mr . S . CiuwFOBn , and Mr . Scullt

      having briefly spoken Mr . Bright said he feared that the government had neglected the Irish constituencies too long , and not grappled with tho difficulty arising ont ' of their destruction with sufficient firmness . ' The bill before them would bo almost the sole , and a very shabby , result of six months * legislation . _^ Ha could not reconcile tbo ministerial defence of the A 8 rating in the Commons with their easy surrender to tho £ 15 amendment proposed in the ] _£ rds , and even now they _suggested » < f P _™ % _^ gJ would reduce the _^ / _Hl _^ lT th / bll _^ _was S 3 _ftW * i * lock put _upwlegwlatwtt H

  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), Aug. 3, 1850, page 7, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/ns3_03081850/page/7/