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      {.From Our Own Correspondent.) Thb Chami...

      Of Irishmen to carry area ,, and the virtue of p hyricaJ ^ BtBBi *^^} Hi ^ K ^ s ;^ -, Pi Inti that union will be based on good , and £ nc dPandoUl " p rinciples . It will . n . it trust to Sin " , and b ^ toe . and Mre . ¦ wnung . and eg . Iw for success ' It will teach the people their ri ^' f , ard tfll ihpm what tbey sre to do to enforce them The new League will not be a second edition $ C- nMiiauon Ilall . It will not be a political market h < = u = e , or a sieantic bess ing-box- It will win Irish independent e . or Us l eading members will be chi-f mourners ever blasted hopes , and a country rained for c-n-r .

      „ , „ , Th" new Lva ? u ? , however , is not yet ratified . The Confedera tes a ^ e ready to enter u . provided it be bWd on hnnest princip l es . The O'Cunnell party Eti'i " -eta a lilt ' s skittifh r . u tho subject—nay , some of them-a few of the ' five pound' membsK—have i , r . s - . tivelv' yroBour-cci' a ; ahi-t s junction with the Confederal . All won ' t do . The pe . p ' . e- are now sm ,. Tiifir evos sre o ; -= red . Tho rent wil . be Jef' " in arrears . * ' John 0 'C » nnell ' s ' occupation s ccn-. ' and a ll that bsa HcWp ittJe staff can do will DOt ' huit-biii tbe Irsa f ewar ^ ry ft month lOCger . ¦ Wha t coo i ' . iHunn ha * been tinkering at these last five Years , rami be . ^» ne new ' cut of tbe face ! Ireland " must ba ' as she o-je ' ftt- io be , ' or she must abandon the y tnue ' e for ev < -r . Th -C ' . tholiccWi v willnat oppose thore-umon of Iri ^ i R-i-eiiew . " Tm-v are averse to rebellion aud bkod-hrd ; bur , believe me if It eland's salvation „„ . irf , thei * - ad ie-ior > . th ^ -y wiil nut shrink . I hey

      s * - ? ud aloof espestia ^ O'Cureli ' s prophecies might b « scoora ; .: ish--d . and toi ? cmntry Irerd , ' without the los ? vi one drop ol hun ; an blood . ' Tbey now bikini' see the dclasif-n of Conciliation-ball , a ; (" they will not be opposed to any plan for the relief of ihdr mi-eriib . e c-untryscn . N-3 class ia soconver-avt with the wrongs and wees of the Irish peagpntrr ss the prie .-t * ; and I am convinced that when the dsv of trial arrives , tbey will not bo found in the ranks of th-neutral ai , d indifferent . The Irish Cathoii-i cl-Tsry were alwajs rvnowned for their patriotism and love oi b' -me " . They are not now worse than in o ' sts enn * pssi . The Irish R ~ pe . il press , too , is all corning over to tbe right s : de . Those provincial journals which , up tO this , Cling teoEciocsly to O'Connellism and mora force' are now wsxin ? wana , and more for * mvkliis the god of battle ? . ' than whining or legg ^ ns at the porch of ' the constitution . ' which to

      Tho meeting ot the Cor . iedcra ' a n , was b ° he ! i on Wednesday niaht last , was adjourned till nest Wednesday , the 2 M instant . It will be the - "eate « t me'tin" oft hit body ever held in Dublin . Messrs Th s . T . F . Mea » her and Richard O'Gorrnan were said to be marked out for the vengeance of the A-t . mey-Gjner-jl . As yet , they are at large and will be at their post on Wednesday evening . Th ? Rev . Mr Kenv' -n has been reins-ated in his parish W his bUW , " ths Right Rev . Dr Kennedy . There have ken i luminaiions in d . ff ; reat parts oi Munster to ceanmem orate the joyous event ; and Mr Ksnyon has commenced his new cat car with the pablica-icn in the Liiueick Esiiuxeb , ol one of the most witheuu ^ manifestoes aafinst the government and the O'Canae ' . ls , wnichhe . irany other ' enemy ' ever levelled at an unlucky antagonist . The Rev . Mr Kenton is in himseii a match for a million of Ire land's foemen .

      Been That The Works Ofmember For Montros...

      THE NORTHERN STAR . JuyE 24 > 1 S 4 g » _^ ii ' "i ' "" ' . 1

      Dublin, Jcxe Is —Mr H. Times, In Conseq-...

      DUBLIN , JcXE IS —Mr H . times , in conseq-tenc 9 of the continued refusal of tbe trenchers o ! Q'leea ' s Inn to admit Dr Grey and Mr Danna to the bar , has resigned his bsncbersh'p . Jcns 20 —At a p ' . sca called Killavnllen . in the county of Ci ' -rk , where a meeting to form a club was he ^ d n ' n Sutidsy hit , and a resolution was un-nisously adopted , ' calling on Mr John O'Conneil to be no barrier to tbe union and karnuny now likely to be established amocgn al ! classes of Repealers , ' tbe narisfe prifs-, Rev . P . Green , who was chosen president of the club , wss instructed to commnni cate this very sien Scant resolution to Mr John O'Conneil , who must yield with a good § race or re tire a . 'tojpth- r . All ths Da ' olin Confederate CInbs are to hold an open air meeting on Sunday next , at Djnnybrooki- " - -

      . ..... Lord Frrench . has cc > nie ont aa a thoroash advocate of tbe proposed union of Young and O . d Ire ' aad-A letter from that nobleman wbo has been heretofore a decided ' Moral force' man , appears in the Evkxing FiiEHius ' s Joussal of this afternoon . His lordship thu- ? concludes : — Tbe voice of the country seens to demand this onion ; and I coneurin ths general expectation teat tfce pro . posed * Irish L ? sgu .- ' wiil ( 'eaoaatrate , witk firmness and dignity , that Ths Irish p-c \ plo fu ' . ' y unicrstand the valus of their canstitutncal r ' t'btp , snd that tlwy are resolved to vindicate those righis & g ? . icst infringe , men ' . I renisia , my dear sir , yours lEitbfnily , FfilSCH . To T , SI . Rsy , Efq S . c-itsry .

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      FiTAL ACCIOSXI AT THS LlVKBPJOl . ZMLrGICAL GAUnsss . —Oa Saturday morning . JuBe-TTch , a melancholy accident occurred at these gardens ' The stupendousciephant , Rsjah . the ficer-t animaVof th ^ kind in Enropp , was chsstiseiby his keeper ? Richard Howard , ili ^ htly , for some disobsdience . The animal imac- ( Ji teiy resented it , and etrock his keeper tothepronn ;' , crnjhiijghim to death afterwards With Ms foot . This is the second keeper , within a few years , who has b ; en killed by this elephant , who vras generally exce = dijigly tractable , aud w ; iiked about the gardens on gala n ch . s with an Eastern car bshind him . Tee Messrs Atkins resolved upon destroying the animal , acd far this purple t ^ o ounces of praseicaci-Jard twentj-nve grains of aconite were administered to hisn in a fees ; bat , bsyorjd a slight nne & M 7 i « s forab-. u ' . fATS ni ' nutes ' . ^ tleTjhwtdii not

      aeem at all affected by the poison . After waiting filree quarters of an hoar , and finding tbe poison was not likely to take effect , it was determined to shoot the austral . A detaebmant of the 52 sd Rifles , wh'i ireatpFeseni ststiosed ia LiTerso < . U were seat for , and twelve men having entered tbe den they waited their opportunity aid tired . Tht > animal stsegered , « nd leant ajrain ^ t the dea . Another drz ; n of Rifle - men entered and fired . This br-uiht the animal to the ground , and ha died ra ' sntly . The poor man who has losthii life was literally flattened , every rib in bis b-dybein ^ broken . Amoigst the gentlemen who were present wtea tbe aoiaai was destroyed vas Van Amburgh , wbo is at present fulnlling an engagement at the TaePtre R-ijal . There wer . also gcTeralmadical j ; enilemen in attendance t 3 assiat in destrojing the acimal . The animal cost £ SG 0 eleven yeirs 3 go . bnt was worth more than £ 1 090 .

      Rochdals— Oedhk of Free Gardesers . —The annnal G-and Lodge « .-f the United Frm Gardeners » a- ; opened at Ro-hinle , on Monday , t-ae 12 h inst About ninetj depn . tie- > from tba various districts attended the meeting , which was ably conducted by G . M . Sykes , of t ^ a H-idd ^ fhld district ; -. The feran 62 ct : oEs bst ^ ena tb . 2 various districts w = re aaiieablv an-i £ iti- ; f > . « tariiy sai-. led , aad all the account examined r . nd fo-jr . ti correct . The district r 3 r o : ts , in many instates , were hii ; a ! y favourable , showini ; & cansiderafcl-i incre . ii * o : merabsrs , the number of Which is ii !» ab . ut 15 , 003 . Nothing couid more itfcarly show ths upofu ' -nessof the society thaa tie ismaanfc of relief aff ird = d ta njambars in distress , and

      i en travel daring the past year , which in consequence i of the depresssd state of trado has been very ennsi' derab ' e . Tae union wiih tha Staffordshire Gari rleners was ratified and completed to thj mutual I Ktisfacrioz ; of a l pir : ies .

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      ( From tbe Gazette of Tuesday , June IS . ) BANKRUPTCY ANNULLED . Karj Bm ^ ton , Leeds , inr . lic-eper .

      BANKRUPTS . Join Balaam , EuSsld , Middlesex , smith—George Cani aon , Prososct-plae .-, Ball ' s-p ^ nd , bricklayer—John Coni quest , iloorgate- ^ treet , Citv , money scrivener—FreJeri ' .-k 1 "WilliamNicholls- 'Groucb , Upper Chnrlotte-street , Fitzroys square , music seller—John Heslop , Rijion , Yorkshire , Bercbont—Tiiomai- tlo'ivman , Clevedon , Someraetshire , i outcber—Robert liuji ' . s ; , Liverpool , laseinan—Ilenry . JaVewaj =, Puntyp ; ,., ] , Moaraoutlishire , licenced victu-. lj ler—Willi-. m Plnniier , Bristo ' , noulterer—Joseph Frit-( chard , Hare « vooi , Her-. f rjshire , innkeep . r—Francis ' TbomaS SmitS ; mrl Arirabam Smith , Ca-nbridga-heath-: -surier ? , Hactney , seedsmen—John Trevers , sen ., and , John Tn vers , jun ., Anoilo-baildings , Walworth , builiers - —John ^ Valku-r aad William talker , Birktnhtad . Che i £ h ' ui , j-dnerg -Hannuh \ YarJ , Stivjiite-marJitt , ' Citv . < carcase buisher-Gasiitr We \ s \ Liverjiuol . mus c s ' eUer' "WUliam V . 'beatley , Busted , S-a = s ? s , whsclwri'ht- James 1 "Wright , Birmirgh-am , seal stone engraver . INSOLVENT PETITIONERS

      gC Aldriuge , ! : or ; ham , Sin-ex , dealer in china—J Ani stex , Stoke G . fford . <;! oiicvftersli . re , fanner—J I'lvtb , 3 Bristol , er . ieer—C Rron . baU , Birminghiin retail brewer—< G Garter , Bristol , baker-J Erans , Abbott ' s Leigh , So-: mersetstiire , biack ^ mito—C i ' elton , Aston , Warwickshire , < commercial traveller- V 1 ! Hili , Bamptuc , Uevonshirsi 6 Hughes , Lsi-. " -itsr , curD .:: iUs ; on agent—G Jones , St < Geor-e Pill . Si ; s :.-rset-l ; ir .-, li-t :: s d victualler—T Keui niag , Biruiiiigbam , nu- 's .-n .-i-r—U Lene , Bristol , beer ret taiitr—C T Lechn , « r ,. . For / nh . -. ; -. ? , Herefordshire—T Lear , £ St Thoaiis t :. e Ap-jstU-, Ucvuasbire-S Liiley , Aston . 1 TTErwickshire . engineer—\ V iiau-ider , Esetei' / balttr— S 1 Keudl , ISirmin ^ uaai , h juk and * ye maker-J Price , J Binnrn ^ hara . fishwoc ^ tr—J Sandbrook , Birmingham , I Elater-W S =: * tf > rgo' » J . Birnvn-ham , booh-keeper—II J Sebolev Shertk-ld , blade inakjr—J Senior , Sheffi .-ld . t tailur—11 .-par !; , Esetcr , pnnltrrer—i Sturgls , Northaiupi ton , joar-ieymaii mx-Gii-H \ V Tiliv , Clevedon , Somera sets ^ ire , c-.-ii-j * Mter— G iiily ilt-iMlWJ , S ' itnersctsbire , t tailor-J Water-:, Liverpool , book-keeper—W Wh . tfield , ] Zie IslanJ , Ex-. ier , v . - uulcuuibtr .

      SCOTCH SEQUESTRATIONS . Douglas Ed-ardf , Aoerdeeu , merchant — Thomas eoUcs , rahicT , p uaibtr—Ti ' . ouiis Grocott , Glasgow , « cea ' . eria faneyVoods— James Iiamiltop ., Hi » h Hotker-1 veil , Lan ^ rkshirp , fa' -mer—John SJ- Keddie "' Forirose , I ntsrehant—Janus Morrison , Hawkhitl , Perthshire , coall aa'ttr—James Stiriing , Strathavea , borjsdealer—WU i ia . m Stuart Sutherland , Leitii , bookseller .

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      IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT . ^ Oon « I « ded / rom the Fifth page . ) MrOsoMHori ) was net able to satisfy hfmielf as to whether Hr Hume regarded the elective franchise as a right or a trust . This was not tbe fir » t time that his attention had been directed to the extension of tba suffrage , and the shortening of the duration ef parliaments he himself having written and published a pamp hlet oa tboB ? gni-jeo * In 1829 . Iuche present state ot tho world ' s affairs thsy had assumed a degree of Importance whlcb in ordinary timeo they would cot possess . Tb ey were subjects which they would all be called upon to diecuee at tha next elections . It was worth white to consider from whom the demands embodied in the resolution proceeded . They were , in the first place , persons who . from various causes , were suffering great distress , and ^ ho wera clamorous fer something to remedy that distress . Those wbo led this clats were not themselves the sufferer * , but it was tfce mass of suffering endured by

      thoee whom they led , uhtch alono gave importance to their leading . There was another clas ? , that of the Intellectual operatives , who wereunrepreEonted , and who oJ » -o were clamorous for something to better their physical condition , which was tho great and the only object the- bad in view . They were mistaken , however , in their mode of pursuing it . The other class was that ot s higher order , and irore dangerous description—tbe class of intellectual speculators , led by , if not chiefly composed of , doctors without patunts , and lawyers without briefs . ThcBO being tho three classes who wero now agitating , the next thing to conslotrwas , what It was thry were cgitating for . As to the extension of the franchise , he saw no hope for it , af : er passing the Reform Bill , but that tbey thculd consent to that point . So far as the / could d » -fine property , bo far should the right be extended . Tho great olject of civilised society was to make men love peace whether tbey would or nc ;

      and it was tke duty of the executive , bs tbey who they might , to put down all attempts at mob intimidation . They could not enact equality . There was no equality in all "store . In no / me of the three kingdoms—animal , mineral , cr referable—was tbrra rqaallty , nor was it to be found in man in any state . The complaint of Inequality , therefore , on the ground that every man was not represented , must continue to the end oftirxe , fr inequality weuld continue whether there was representation or no . Then with regard to the duration of parliaments . He confessed that it was , in his mind , a great disadvantage that the representotivea of tbe peo > pie were not thrown back mora frequently upon their constituents . ( Hear . ) He did not mean in tbe offvn . site way of going ba"k to be scolded and turned away . ( ' Hear , hear , ' and a laugh . ) But he thougfet it was a

      great advaniEgs to tho public at large , as well as to the members themselvee , that ihey should be brought te § eiber occasionally in public discussion , face to face , in the same "ay as the representatives wtra brought toceth ' . r in discussion iu the house . ( Hear . ) They knew what protestations gentlemen made on the hustings as to what they would do in parliament ; but Bhsn tbey came there they found parliament a very different thing from what they had expected / and that they had not the potrertodo all they wished . If by fnqucnt meetings with their constituents tbis could be explained he thought it would often conduce to a gocd understanding between the representatives and tbe represented , Thoy had heard much about property hav ' ng its duties as well as its rights . What was the meaning of this ? It was the duty of every man to maintain himself in that

      pesltioa ia society to whlcb he belonged ; and as it was said of a nobleman not long ago that he would be ready to die for his order , bo it was the duty of every person possessing property to be ready to die for that property , and not permit it to be infringed fey any means , direct orindirect . ( 'Oh , ' andlaughter . ) Hon . gentlemen who were acquainted with the works of this country of the kst twelvemonth—he spoke not of tbe doctrines of Louis Blanc and other ? in France—mast be aware that there was pervading a large body of onr most Intellectual operatives a notion that they did not share sufficiently in the produce of their labour . ( Hear . ) Tbat feeling was gaining ground among them , and there waa also another feeling obtaining ground amongst them to some extentviz ,, that every owner of property was a public robber , ( No , ) That he was taking away from the public , as it

      was called—another abstract Idea—what belonged to it . ( No , no . ) Ha could not remember tho words in English in which this doctrine was put forward ; but he would quote the sentiment as it bad appeared in France . ( Oh . ) Why , did hon , gentlemen suppose that the principles which prevailed hers were so totally unlike those which obtained injFrance ! ( Hear , hear . ) Unquestionably the same views which were maintained in our own country were entertained in tha other . TouteproprUteesl uoZwas the principle laid down in France ; and did tbey not hear tbe samo principle put forward here ? ( No . ) Why had they not heard of tenant-right in Ireland * Had they not beard it asserted tbat the tenant had a prior right to the land he cultivated over the landlord ? ( Hear . ) He

      contended that political power should be confined to those whi had property , and those who had none should be entirely excluded from political power . Heconstiered it also most dangerous to suppose , as indeed was supposed , that there whs a necessary connexion between an alteration of the constitution of tbat b < jus 9 , and a diminution of taxation . He was opposed , as much as the member for Montrose , to extravagance , and desired as much as him to curtail tbe expenditure of the country . Bat he conceived that eech question—the reform of that house , and the necessity of retrenchment—should stand upon a separate foeting , and each be decided on distinct grounds . If it were to be admitted , that a particular constitution of that house would secure a diminution of

      the national expenses , then would It amount to this , tbat it would be composed of representatires , who , to satisfy their own petty and local objects , would sacrifice the aatioisal interests and honour . There was great discontent throughout the country—( hear , hear)—and there would bs because that house was a great , expensive club , which gratified the tastes of many of tbe people of England ; anl as Ion ? as ttero existed among men a thing which one man wanted to gain , and which others had not to give , so long would there be a quid for the quo . What certain parties now did , was to hold out to the people exp-ctations which no government could grant , just as the French government were holding out tbe belief tbat they had the power to feed the people . They had no power—lot them crnstltute the poirer as they pleasedto relieve the distress of the people . Let them constitute

      their power in any way tbey pleased , such an idea was a gross delusion . It was a gross delusion to tell the people that anything but misery wag the Jot of the great miss of mankind , and that thej could relieve it by any legisla'ion whatever . There was , no doubt , a Bert of iastinct—be could not call it by any other nameranninp throughout the world at the present moment , that the time was come for the regeneration of human society . So man itemed to fcnow how it was to bs brought about . There should be , however , a regeneration , bat tbey should first of all pass through e baptism of blood . It wa ? time to learn it , for they were preparing the people for it , as they had begun already In France . All their excitement was leading to nothing else , and they never should have universal peace until Ha came who alone had the right to rule .

      Lord J . Russell said . —Sir , I rise thus early to address the house because I think the house is entitled to an explanatien of the views which I entertain , not only with regard to the proposition now before the house , but with regard to the propasltlons nearly akin to ir . ( Hear , hear . ) Sir , the hon . gentleman has alludad to the pstltions whieh have been presented to the house in favour of the proposition which he has brought forward as an expression , as he declares , of the general opinion of tho people upon this subject , Now , sir , I would observe , with regard to this question , that t does not apssar that , except in favour of what Is c « mmonly called the People ' s Charter , there have been any large or numerously- signed petitions presented . Then , with regard to this same proposition , it his been said that meetings have been held la support of the hon . gen .

      lUman ' s motion , but these meetings have been held under two remarkable circumstances—one Is , that considerable psiss hare been taken to misrepresent a speech which I made when the hon , gentleman , on a former occasion postponed his motion , with a view to have it believed that I had said that the people wished for no refurm , and so systematicall y has this been dose that I have seen the words which I used , expressing my belief on that occasion that progressive reforms wero required by the eid & le and working classes , have been altogether espunged , ( Hear . ) What I said on that occasion was , < hat it was my belief that the middle and working classes of this country were iu favour of a gradual and progressive reform . ( Cheers , and cries of 'Ke , no . ) 0 / course I do not deny it , and 1 now repeat it again , taat I said that I also believed that the middle and working classes of this country were not in favour either of what is called tho People ' s Charter , or of the proposition for reform brought forward by the hon . aentieman . ( Hear . ) Now that statement of mlna

      bas been meii as if it hsd been a declaration ngalnBtall reform ; but in the words which I used I merely stated that iu my opinion tbe middle and the working classes if this country desired neither the Paople ' s Charter , nor the mtasure of reform proposed by the hon . gentleman ; but I did not say that tbey desired bo reform , either financial or parliamentary , as it has been represented ; hat I said . I excluded no reform ei her fiaancial or parliamentary . ( Hear , hear . ) Yet I find that on this turj' . ct sogriat have been the misrepresentations that have taken place with regard to what I said on this subject , that at a meeting held in Marylebone a resolu' i n was proposed by ilr Iluais , to the efftct that the Prime Minister having declared that there bhould be no more measures eithir of financial or of parliamentary rcfurm , & c . Now , as the hon , gentleman had tbemeanB « t knowing what I really had said on tho occssiou a'luied to , I thinhhe oughtat the time tbe resolution waa put Into Uls hands to hivs said , ' This resolution is contrary to fact , and , therefore , it is impossible for me to put It . '

      Mr Hume . —It Is consistent with tho fast , to my knowledge , ( Order , order . ) Lard J . Rcssell —The otlitr circumstance * which thehon . gentk-man hag rceomaieHdedui to taka into our serious consideration is , the numerous attendance whieh has taken place at th-i meetings hel 1 in favour of bit proposition for reform . Bat in almost all the meetings which hsvs been held for the purpose of upholding and supporting the four points contained la tho resolution of the hen . gsntleman , to which in proposing that resolution to-nicht he has adocd a fifth —( hear ) - _ witb a view of sending petitions to this house in support of that resolution , when those a ^ settibteJcame to the discussion of the propositions submitted to them generally .

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      some Chartist rose and proposed , as an amendment , a resolution In favour of the sit points of the Cbartcr , which , when it was put to the vote , was either carried , or suoh a division took place that the reporters , who generally attend very accurately to these matters , w » re unable to state whether the resolution was carried or not . ( Ch ; ers . ) 1 say , therefore , in the first plice , tbat I find that at tho meetings In support ol this motion there has been generally a misrepresentation of what 1 s ' . ated on this subject in my place in parliament ; and in the next place , I do not consider tbat the meetings which have been held in support of the hon . gentlpmnn ' f motion , whether those meetings have been held in Bir mingham , Leeds , Manchester , Marylebone , or other places , have ( ilven expression to any public opinion in favour of this preposition ; but , on the contrary , that

      taking those meetings generally , they have boon divided in opinion , and the rupporters of nhat is called the People ' s Cbartcr have been often in the majority —( hoar Kear )—and in those meetings : , yenerelly spenklng resolutions favourable to tbo plan proposed to night by the hon . gentleman tho member for Montrose bave not been carried . ( Hear , hear . ) The notlelord then proceeded at great length to notice other points of Mr Hume ' s speech , aad to oppose the motion In a thoroughly Tory style . He concurred with Mr Hume , that to the Reform Bill was chiefly attribu . table the peace of the country in lh . ) present crisis . But the hon . gentleman had made an admission of thepower of the electors , under the Reform Bid , to return to parliament members who might fairly repreaou ' them , which should induce the house to pause ere It

      listened to a proposal for further reform . Tho hon . gentleman ' s plan , as detailed to tha house , did not accord with tho abstract propositions which he enunciated as the basis of his scheme , One of tbeae proportions contended for tbe right of voting without qiialiflcatlof . Bat the hon . gsntleman himself proposed a qualification . And if there might be one qualification , why not another ? And what was there in thnt proposed bv the hon . gentleman wbich showed it to be preferable to tbe existing qualification ? Tho proposition submitted wae vague aad indefinite , po ' . ntinR out distinctl y , neither those who were to be included in , n « r those who wero to be excluded from , the franchise . Ho differed entirely from the hon , gentleman as to tho foundation of bis whole scheme . In his opinion , what every person of full age was cn'iiled to in this country , as well indeed

      as tho whole population , was the best possible government , and the best legislation , which it wae possible for it to give to . ' them . The mlted constitution of England had for a long period provided for the happiness ef its people . He had always felt how difficult a matter it was to alter in any way the adjustment of the different powers of the State . He besought the house , therefore , to eppiosch with care and d ^ lsbotaUcB the discussion of any scheme for Its alteration . Viewing tha matter from this point , tfeeqteetion for tbem to consider was , whether a parliament elected by householders and lodgers wool 3 be a better parliament than such as was returned by the present body of electors . If tbey con ceded universal suffrjge , bo could not see how they could avoid tbe division ot tbe country Into equal elec toral districts , ' and he had no hesitation in saying tbat

      a parliament springing frcm such oources would not be so good a parliament as that which resulted from tho preset system . Tbo Inequality vihich characterised the distribution of the representation , ins'ead of being accompanied with tbe evils attributed to it , gave rise to isany advantages . He could not follow tho hon . gen . tleman in detail through all his propositions . As to tbe ballot , he thoug ht that ft w-. uld be no effectual remedy against Intimidation . As to shorter parliaments , whilst it might be advisable thut members should be frequently thrown back upon ihtir constituents , it w » s also desiraMe that there should be some stability in the policy of tho country . Tbe present du . ration of Parliaments , in his opinion , gave it tbat tttabi Hty . It tbey were re-change that duration at all , ho thought that it would be better to take ono jenr instead

      of threeyears , the Utter being about the worst proposition , in this respect , that could be made . He was satisfied with the present duration of Parliaments , and would certainly give no vote in favour of departing from it . He would also put the question raised by tbe honourable gentleman to another test , to which he could not refuse to subject it . The reform ot Parliament took place in 1332 . Had the House of Commons showed Itself since that time to be the mero tool of the aristocracy— . a bigot afraid to enter upon any referm , or Indifferent to improvements ? No one who considered the changes wbich bad been effected since thnt time , could justly lay such charges against tbe reformed House of Commons , What Mr Hume proposed would effect a great change in tbo constitution . Ho , on the ether hand , was for gradual reform . Since 1832 no great change in the R-form

      Bill had been projected or proposed . Bat the public mind was now turned to the consideration of such [ subjects and the time might not be far distant when some reforms might be usefully effected . They might soon be ia possessiob of sufficient information to enable them to extend the Iranchis ? , without coropramising the basis of our representative system . He was , therefore , not disposed to say tbat they could not and might not usefully and beneficially Improve the Refoim Act . But If he were asked whether he was prepared to biing in at the present moment any measures for tbat purpose , be would unhesitatingly reply tbat ho was not prepared to Introdues any considerable measure for such a purpose . lie denied entirely tbe charge that was made , that government was carried on in any way for tbe benefit of tha aristocracy . He thought that tho rights of tho people of this country were large and general rights , and that tbe

      people enjoyed those rights under a free government . ( Hear , hear , ) But if it were to bo said that the aristocracy were to bo deprived of their right of taking part iu the direction of public affairs , bo did object to so narrow a view of tbe question . A Stanley or a Howard had as complete a right to a share in the direction of the affairs of the nation , as if he had a name less illustrious in tbe annals cf bis couatry , ( Hear , beer ) But there might also be reasons contained in tho events on the Continent , which would render impolitic thoc torse that was proposed . ( Hear , hear , ) Their adhesion to the ancient forms of tho constitution had procured them tbe admiration and respect , cot only of those countries that were attached to the fortunes of this , bnt also of those nations that were hostile to tbem . Ho hoped that bouse would do nothing to lose that respect , or forfeit that admiration , which had caused them to bo regarded

      aa' Liko a great sea-mark , braving every storm , And saving all who eye it ' . ' He trusted tbat tbey would maintain that position— . that they would not choose at this tlm'i to accede to any va < gue and indefinite proposal of some measure of reform , which , whito It apparently stopped short of adopting the People ' s Charter , could not actually stop short of ultimately enacting that great change— ( hear , hear)—tbat tbey would rather think that it was due to the institutions which they had the happiness to inherit ; and that it was due , above all , to that great people whom it was their honour to rtprcsent , to give a steadfast anu most determined negative to tho present motion . — ( Cheers . )

      Mr W . J . Fox woald have been batter pleased if Lord J . Russell had declared more explicitly the eitcnt of the reforms wbich he had in contemplation , and tbe result which he anticipated from them . He also regretted tbat Lord J . Rutscll had scarcely touched on ttoe question whether individual classes were properly represented in that house . Now , the question then before the hoase was this ;— ' Are tho working classes of this country represented as thoy ought to be ; and , If they are not , can they be so represented without injury to our institutions V Ho ( Mr Fox ) declared that they were not representeithat tbey were Helots In the land—that they were serfs on the soil which bred them—and that tbey had nothing to do with the laws except to obey thera . ( Hear , hear . ) He would revert to the argument used by fhe noble lord In 1822 , as It was the argument whieh he meant to adopt

      and apply on the present occasion . The noble lord at tbat time pointed to the intelligence of tbo country , and to the growth of that intelligence , as a demonstratloa tbat the franchise must be largely extendi d , He argued , that in London there were lGO circulating libraries , and 900 in tbe country ; and that 23 , 609 , 000 newspapers had been issued in the year preceding . Ho would go back , not to 1822 , but to 1832 , when the noble lord realised hia own views by carrying tho R ? form Bill ; and he would assume that he then proportioned the franchise to what he held to be tho advanced Intelligence ef tbe country . Ho csuld not say , howevtr , thatthe facts would altogether bear him out in relinquishing the vantage ground he might havo gained by tbsnohlo Jord ' a previous concessions . Tha noble lord said thery wero iu 1822 1 , 000 , 000 persons prepared for tho franchise ; but the

      Reform Bill did not provide for half of that million , and they had been left unprovided for since , with a quarter of a century of wrong pressing upon their minds , and depressing their spirits . Whito la 1832 tho number of newspapers calculated was 32 , O 0 O , O'JO , the circulation had been for some time nearer 70 , 010 , 000 thanC 0 , O 0 O , O 0 O ; end asregarded societies and instituiionu established fur the people ' s improvement , he would ocly refer to one ot which he had read an account in the papers of that morning . It was an account o I tbe meeting of tho Yorkshire Mechanics institution , held at IUuon , where noi fewer than el > hty . one societies wore included and represented in that institution alnno . Since 1832 £ 500 , 000 bad been oipendod by the govjrumint ca education ; a much smaller sum than cu . ht , as he thought , to have been oxponded on a mutter of such inconceivable importance ; but still that sum had been laid out , in addition to thu building « f scho Is from sources of private subscription and private benevcleice . Since ISO- there had , besides , sj-rung up a popular literature altogether unparalleled

      in extent —( hturj—a literature of whieh our numerous magazines , the publications of the Messrs Chambers , aud the works of Char'es Sli ght , formed a distfnguinhcd part , and which were circulated thr . iugu the country to an smouatpreviously unexampled . ( Hear , hear . ) One of them a : oue , Chambcris Miscellany of Entertaining Knowledge , being only ono cf tbe many publications ot that house , bad been issued to the extent of 18 , 000 , 000 of printed sheets ; and he understood that their salci fluctuated with tho stato of ths manufacturing ; districts , ( hear , b . » nr . ) ono tixtli of the ireuo b"ing in tho counties of York and Lancaster . ( Hear . ) Then , if thoy looked to other facts indicative of the edvence of intelligence among the people at largo , th- y found proofs multijilying all around them . It might bo said that tkeso were cheap publications to which ho had referred , and that the public mind would rather be vitiated than improved by them , that their powers would be frittered away , such light reading not being adapted to mature the iu . telieolunlcaaractes' ; bus rb » y must remember , that all the standard works of the most celebrated authors had

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      at the same time been cheapened ; that the works of Bacon could be bought for 4 d „ and those of Shakspewo for 2 s ., and that tho writings of all the philosophers who had adorned tho country were circulated at the merest trifle abive the cost of typo and paper . It was a remarkable fact that tho production of new literature had not . iminished either . Ho found , in tho history of printing , in M'Cidloch's Commercial Dictionary , a statement of tbe number of new works published , » nd the average price per volume , in the four years ending 1832 and 1812 . In the four years then ending , the new books published were 6 , 149 , and la the four years ending 1812 they were 8 597 ; while tbe average price per volume was , in the first period lis 5 d , and In the second period 8 s 9 J . ( Hoar . ) Tho booksellers' circular had recently fallen . .. l . ii-. i » u . „« . i ,. „ »

      Into his bands , and he found from It tbat the number of now works last year was 3 , 414 , and of new editions 570 , while the average price per volume was 6 s S \ i . ( H « ar . ) He might refer , also , to the establishment , since 1832 , of parks and places of recreation , which , though not to be used as an argument , might be taken as an indication of growing intelligence , Take , for examplo , the visitors to tho British Museum . In 18 B 2 , the number of Visitors was 117 , 890 ; last year thoy were 820 , 965 . The visitors to the readin » . room of the Museum , In 1832 , were 31 , 200 , Ust year , 67 , 525 . ( Hear . ) Then , as regarded the economics of the working classes , they found a vast Improve , ment . [ Here the hon . gentlemen pointed out the Increase which had taken placo since 1832 in tbe deposits of tbe savings bank , to Bhow the improved system of economy

      now prevalent ; and also the great increase that had taken place in the number of public petitions to parliament , In order to point out tbe { trowing dlscon ' -ent among tho unenfranchised classes . ] There was one peculiar fact that could not but siriko every reflecting person at tho present day , and that was the number of writers who were springing up among the working classes—writers who did not , like the authors of former days , rest on patron ? and private patronage , —writers who cow ted no class above them , but jet who retained strong within tbem the feelings of the working class In which they had been born and bred . Nothing liko this was known In former times ; but In tbe literature of wbich ho spoke tho fact ho had stated was before them in every pnge . Their works were elevated by

      a prculiar spirit , a spirit the result of the circumstances in which they bad bean horn and bred , and the political condition of the class to which they belonged . Perhaps he should be naming authors whose names would sound strange to the great majority of thooe be Bddrcssed wero be to run over the list , and yet tbry were a clase of writers whose worko every legislator would do well to consult . ( Hear . ) He could not understand the spirit of bis country unless be did consult them . They bad in them tho rich and rncy spirit of our ula Eaglieh writers ; aud when they had thu sense to avoid the conventionalities of mole ™ authors , and follow out the dictates of their own | aspiratlons , they indeed brocght forth ' thoughts that breathe , and words that burn . ' ( Hoar . ) Hemlght refer

      to Bitmford , the radical . author of Lancashire , whose graphic description of * the stirring times ot 1819 , tbe future historian would transfer to bis pages as tbe best record of the events of that extraordinary time , He mig ht also speak of ' one wbo whistled at the plough , ' whose narrations of the floggtngof the soldier were enough to make the fhsh creep upon tho bones , and draw tears from the eyes of the most callous of our race . There was the poet Thorn , of Inverury , who took shelter under a hedge and saw bis child die there , and who could give his country songs worthy of Burns ; that man never knew what it was to live in a £ 10 house . There ^? ere such men as William Lovett and Thomas Cooper . He would not ask tbe bouse to take an estimate of their literary merit and intellectual power from his question .

      able testimony . He would not ask tbe house to take an estimate of their literary merit and intellectual power from bis own testimony . He would call for that of the hen . memberfor HeadiDg ( MrSerJ 6 ant Tolfonrd ) , who , as it bad been said of Akcenslde , that he had breathed the spirit of Plato into English poetry , might be said to have invoked the spirit of Euripides upon the British stage , and not invoked in vain ; or of him who had also gained laurels , though in a different field « f exertion , and of whom it would ever be subject of grateful recollection that , with the fine perception of taste and with tbe . generosity of genius be saw and recognised the powers which were revealed in the Purgatory of Suicides , though written by a self-taught cobbler , and gave tho author facilities for coming before the public which would

      otherwise have been difficult of accomplishment , ( Hear , ) When tbis whole literature was considered , from the timo of Ebenezer Elliot , the Sheffield worker In Iron , it would be found pervaded by the spirit of indigna . tion which would arise among men who felt them . KeWes reduced to a slave class , threatening the disruption of that nationality the unity of which bad hitherto constituted the glory o ( tbis country . The stream of mind was separated into two distinct courees ; and if they did not recognise tbe claims of a class already represented in the noblest arena , that of their nation 6 l literature , they would exhibit to tho world a most deplorable spectacle ; tho genius of the country would become suicidal by tbe antagonism of Us ele . ments . Future collections of poets and historians would

      not be complete without the authors of these productions . They had a niche In hlsforj . They had a plaeo omoflg tbo laurelled , but they were not admissible into tbe society of £ 10 householders . ( Hear , hear . ) In all ranks high talents and great Information were the ex . ception ; but they very much misunderstood the work ing classes who thought tbat among them were not diffused the mind nod tbo intellectual aspirations which rendered them not unworthy brothers of such as ho had named ; nay , which rendered them sot unworthy countrymen of these great names , eucb as those of Milton and Locke , which constituted the brightest glory tbis country had yet achieved , What was tho LegUla . ture to tear ? Tbat those men would render this bouse a less decorous and less dignified scene f Would It be

      thought that those men would return from ihoir body —still less from the refuse of that body—persons to claim fellowship here , who would turn the house aside by personalities and sarcasm from erery great topic Of discussion ? ( Hear , hear . ) Would they send thither men elated , not with champagne or burgundy , but with beer or brandy , to throw disorder in the midst ef their business f Would they send people who would make a tax on property 1 Why , property—the love of it was instinctive in an Englishman , ( Hear , hear . ) They could not propose to bim a 'Land Scheme , ' or anything of tbo sort wbich he could call big own—( 'Hear , 'from Mr O'Connor)—even with the most forbidding pros , pects of attaining his object —( a laugh )—but he would mnko tho attempt to acquire property . Now ,

      was there any participation In opinions which strangely bad found ihare way into a document which bad found i ' . s way to the tablo of the house . He had consorted with working people—not as master , as landlord , as omp ' oyer , or as patron— and he had found in them that intelligence and those qualities which kept alire faitb in human nature . The hon . member proceeded to refer to tho subject of bribery . He said : Lst them consider what the people bad been exposed to . Ho was old enough to recollect tho system ef cor . ruption which prevailed fifty years ago . He had known us pure a constituency as over existed in the whole length and breadth of the land . How waa tbo case now ? That constituency had been rendered corrupt by the continual practice of Instilling Into them the notion tbat their rotes

      were worth money . Ha looked upon the briber as worse than tbe bribed . He remembered one ease of a Yar . mouth freemen who refused a bribe until It became a moons of rescuing him from the workhouse ; Tho house might be sure that tbe working classes would not select working men , exocpt under peculiar circumstances , as their representatives . In France only thirty . eight bad been chosen in an Assembly of nine hundred , ( Hear , hear . ) Thoy would act similarly hero , ( Hear , hear . ) Thoy would look to local importance , or else select men with national reputation . Such men it would be de . slrablo to have in tha house , rather than men , unknown to localities or to fame , going rambling about the country with their heavy purses , seeking some constituency to corrupt , ( Cheers . ) This would bo little harm , if all

      of ttmt class were excluded from the bouse , ( Hear , beer . ) He believed that under the plan of bis hon . friend tho member for Montrose , such men would be excluded . ( Hear , hear . ) Under some such system tb « ro would be an end to the degrading ojstem of canvassing , « hloh indeed brought tho rioh and poor together , but only for thtlt mutual degradation , ( Hear , hear . ) In large constituencies ^ there was no canvassing . Men of mind got returned , after having been heard in public three or four times by tbo constituency . He believed that tho plan of bis hon . friend would deatray canvassing altogether , and if It did it would confer e great blessing en tbe country . ( Hear , hear . ) Look , then , at the evils of tho progont system , at the disunion which it created . Let ( hem consider the Immense importance of

      our belug n united nation , of not having represented and unrepresented , coutonted and discontented , classes . ( Il .-ur , hear . ) Our rclaiiofts with foreign countries , the general peace , all depended upon unity amongst all classes of the pcop lj of this country . Tho conviction of this was growing amongst the people , it was bringing tbe middle and working class together , and the aristocracy would act unwisely if they kept much longer aloof . ( Hear , bear ) It was net out' fleets or armies , however , gl . irious inijfht bo their histories , which constituted the true glory of this country . That glory consisted in tho indomitable energy and industry of our working classes , whom is would bo unwise to keep much longer in a state of degradation , ( Heat , hear . ) Let tbem , then , discard class differences , spread education with a bold

      and free hand , throw wiio the portals of the constitution , equalise tnxutlon . Lit them do this , and they would no longer havo th ) millions an alienated body , but forming surh an array as had never yet been opposrd to the foreign ene'tny . ( Honr , hear . ) Thoy would raise n trop ' iy not watered by blood , but more glorious than tho uiot . t sanguinary victory . Untax us ( said tho hon , member in conclusion ) , offer us equality , educate our pa ! pulation , onfrnnchlsoour population , and then , arm your population . ( Chc : rs , mixed with some disapprobation . ) Tuen let thu nations , of the world be banded against you , and your people will triumphantly roll hack from your ahoro evirv ivavo of hostility , in tlio irordu of tin great cbcrttr , neither deny nor delay justice , but grant it freely and promptly to the working oU * aos of tho Brl tloh empire . ( Cheers . )

      Mr DiSBiBti said that tho animated and eloquent address of the honourable member who had juot sat down did not accord altogether with tho rtsolutlonof tho hon . member for Montrose . The honourable member had avowed htm < olf tho advocate of the people , whom ho called serfs , but where In the speech of the honourable

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      member for Montrose could any symp tom be found of an Intention to enfranchise them ? ( Hear , bear . ) The speech of the honourable member referred In his ( Mr Disraeli ' s ) opinion to a class purely imaginary ; but whether real or imaginary , no one could imagine that the project of the honourable member for Montrose had any view of alleviating their position . The plan wns not one intended to annihilate £ 10 householders , neither would It provide the frsmchlae for poets , sleeping or starving under hedges . ( Hear , bear , ) He could not imagine , then , why the honourable member for Oldham should havo thought it his duty to give in his adherence to a plan which , according to his ( Mr Disraeli ' s ) view of tbe case went to increase the difficulties in tbe way ofgranting the franchise to the classes of whom tho honourable member professed hlmse'f to be the advocate . With regard to tbe proposition itself , gentleaienon that ( the Opposition ) side of the house stood in a different position either from members of tbe government , or from the honourable member for Montrose and bis friends . It mCmi , or » BrMontrnan / . « nii » i . nTfvmDtom be found of « n

      was not for them either to d' fend or to attack the Reform Act—they obeyed it . When that act was proposed It was e % p & Bfcd to vkwratifoted criticism , and perhaps it was all the better for tbat criticism . But once passed , the general feeling was to obey tbe law , and tbe gemral good sense of the people obviated many defects in the practical working of the measure . But having said that be did not attack or defend the It form Bill , he did not think that on the motion of the honourable member for Montrose such declaration would justify blm in avoiding the difficulties of debate , at a time and on a question which promised to be fruitful of difficulty , He should , therefore , take the present opportunity of making some observations on a project which had beco brought forward with so much preparation , which h « d been so sedulously prepared ; but the true scope and meaning of which he feared was not clearly understood by the honourable member they had just heard , tbe eloquent advocate of Imaginary serfs and pauper poets . The honourable member for Montrose had been the staunch ad .

      vocato of fiscal reform , and at every meeting that questiod had been prominently brought forward as tbo Incentivc to political revolution , Similar were tbe pr jj ( rs of all tbe petitions that had been presented that even , ing , and yet tho honourable member for Montrose had in the courseof his speech said little or nothing of fiscal reform , ( Hear , ) He ( Mr Disraeli ) could easily understand wby the hon , gentleman wbo bad just addressed the house had not dwelt on this subject . He was great ot statistics , but not such as were usuall y heard in that house . He could tell the great increase of penry publications , aud the amount of railway Intellect , and give a list of those publications which wero found at railway termini and stations . Although these were of Importance they did not touch tbo question of fiscal reform , or the grounds on whieh tbe present movement was

      originally founded . Ho reserved to himself tbe right of giving his opinion very briefly upon those measures , whatever he might think of their fallacy or thpfr truth . But the house would agree that after four months , daring which all England had been told that there had been an enormous Increase of taxation , and in the expenditure ef the government , and this , too , at a period of general disturbance and gen : ml revolution—when the people of this country bad been told , Sn order to Impress upon them that there ought to be a change here in unison with the changes which were taking place in other countries In consequence of our oppressive taxation and oppressive expenditure of government—it was of some Importance in such a debate that the house and tbe cecntry should know whether those pleas were f randed in truth—whether they w « re just or not . ( Hear . ) He

      gave tbe hon , memberfor Montrose and bis friends tbe benefit of the admission , that whether tbe pleas were true or not , however it might damage or benefit tbe hon . member ' s position , these were circumstances which did not affect tbe abstract excellence or necessity of his measures . ( Hesr ) One word then as to the en . ormous increase o ( tsxation , * wbicfajwas the principal reason put forward for this proposed change ia our parliament and our constitution . He should not at midnight refer to documents , except from memory , but tfce facts fce was about to mention were well known and authenticated . He would take the period in which we were now living , and compare it with a period considerably , but not too fir , distant . He would take a period just before the passing of the Reform Bill , or twenty years ago . The revenue raised in 1828 . from tbe ordinary resources ,

      was 49 § millions in round numbers . In 1848 it was 47 $ millions . ( Hear . ) How was it possible then that hon . gentlemen could maintain the position , tbat the taxation ef thejeoantry had been oppressively increased ? But this was not all ; the revenue cf ] 8 ? 8 was raised from a population of less than 23 , 000 , 000 , while that of 1848 was raised from a population of , in round numbers , 80 , 000 , 000 . ( Hear , hear . ) If they calculated per head the burdea of taxation at those two periods , it would be found tbat while In 1828 It was £ 2 12 s . 2 d ., In 1848 it was onl y £ 1 10 s . and a fraction . ( Cheers . ) This was the result on the assump . tion ; that the aggregate wealth of the country had In-Created , in the ratio of the population ; but all must al low , for it wae proved by the official documents , that the wealth of tho country had increased ia a much greater

      ratio than the population . What then became of tha plea for political change , which was founded upon tbe oppressive increase of taxation under the new Bistem Introduced by the ftaform Act ? ( Hear , bear . ) But it was not only true that tho taxation per bead now as compared with twenty years ago was infinitely reduced in amount , but there was another circumstance of importance which must not be forgotten « --viz ., that there had been a considerable re-distritutioa of taxation , and tbat ia every instance thatre-dis ' . ribution had been in favnur of the workiag classes . ( Hear , hear . ) The customs of tho years 1827 and 1847 , the financial years of 1828 and 1848 , were for 1827 under 18 millions , and is 1847 tbey barely exceeded that sum . The excise was ab ? , ut twelve millions in both years and tbo stamps aad taxes in both years were nearly the samo . In the post . ofllce

      there had been an immense reduction In favour of those classes who are said to be suffering from the fiscal oppression of the present system . Here was an actual reduction of taxation of more than £ 2 , 000 , 000 , entirely independent of the increase in tbe population , ( Question . ) They were told that there was such oppressive taxation , and that the government expenditure was so enormous in consequence of tbe existing parliamentary system , that It was necessary to bave a reform . He did not say it was not . He wished to enter fairly Into the question ; but let tbem not proceed on falsa pretences , Tho rate of government expenditure during the last twenty years , notwithstanding tbe great increase of national wealth and of the commerce of the country , had been almost stationary , tho weight of taxation belsg about tbe samo . The popular plea , therefore , for the proposed change

      was not true . ( Hear . ) The plea repeated to-night ad naustamin every petition which had been presented wns fallacious and false , and It became the duty of those who had off-red those petitions to the house to vindicate the accuracy of the allegatioas tbey contained . Ue would now touch upon tbe second branch oi tbe plan —ho meant the right of voting by ballot , He objected to ( he change , because ho thought it would lead to great evils . He believed the caango from open to secret votiuif was an evil , and he would oppose It on that ground . Ho thought that their security was in the public press , which expressed public opinion , and denounced corruption with unflinching hostility , and prevented it from being carried into practice , ( Hear . ) No ono now met tha Secretary of the Treasury at the gangway and received from him £ 500 as head money , ( A laugh , ) This

      was the practice in this bouse not more , than seventy or eighty years ago . ( a . laugh and cheers , ) No such thing took place now . The only thing a member asked a Secretary of the Treasury for new was 'a pair . ' ( A laugh . ) As to tfce third point—namely , the limitation of th .-period during which parliament was to meet , he bad only to observe , tbat as triennial parliaments was tbe good old Tory principle , ho could not , aa far B 9 principle was concerned , abject to It . His only objection to It was that it was a change . Then as to the faurth pointnamely that relating to electoral districts , ho admitted it was one of considerable importance * . A pamphlet on this subject was put Into the hand of Sir Joshua Walmsley , who told blm that It would satisfy hla mind on this subject . He had ioadlt butitUadnotdonowhatthehon .

      ban not expected it weuld do . The princi ple ef the bock was that the representation of England was founded on Its population . In tha work the county of Buckingham wa « placed in opposition to the county of Lancaster . It was tru < i that Buckingham was fas from being as wealthy as Lancashire . But Buckingham had refused to pay ship . money in tbe reign of Charles , and it furnished tho house with a series of able stotesmen- »( a laugh)—wbo sustained the renown of this country , and upheld tho rights of tho people , Buckingham gave a Hampden , and tbe Granvllles , and Mr Burke totbathouso . ( Hear . ) Was then Buckingham to be put in comparison with manufacturing towns , who wero born In a day and pro . bably vanished in another . Now let us consider what members would be returned for Manchester under the ,

      new system . This pamphlet was the Manufacture of tho now parly , Mr Hume . —That pamphlet was written befere the party wus formed . Mr DisiiAELi . —Then this pamphlet was the origin of the party . According to this manifesto , Manchester would have seven memb .-rs , Only think of seven members — why , it was difficult to manage one member—how wou'd it be if there were seven ? ( Laughter . ) Then Liverpool and Glusg-nw would havo seven also—all statistical members . ( Laughter . ) Dublin would have six members , and as all the members for Dublin had a petition ngninst them , and as they saw n noOie ird prevented from attending a committee of importance by his duties in that committee , what would he the consequence if they had seven petitions ? Birmingham and Leeds were to have five members , and Sheffield four . Under this n . uw system London would have forty men hers . It was avowed that this was a middle class

      movement . They . 1 vowed thnt as this uy a middle class government , that they would force it to carry out their views . Now , what he objected to was , that tbis party should seek to be predominant . Now , what did that party do ? they carried the Reform Bill , but they dostroyed the iniustrinl franchise . Tbey carried colonial reform , uh . ch endedin colonial ruin . Now they attempted fin . iuciul reform , which was to trunsfer the burthen of taxation upon realised capital . If this took the hundred millions they had to act upan in imposing ten per cent ., but what competition for Hie work that would be displaced by it . There was cue point bo wished to reiVr to and it was this , that this movement was not popular . No gentleman opposite ventured to say it was of that c " n racur . It arose out of a new profession Mm * Wsurun - up ; the profession of abators . ( ta « l t i ^ however , only now among us . This new" school " as the ong . uator of great questions , but when that was carried cr e arvTouired "T ^ ^ *> «*^ t flU or ThiS $ s ' " " ° P actors t 0 5 e employed . Smbe ? forth 7 te . BM- " k 0 a neW « ti 0 " ' Tne *>» mem oer tor the { Vest Riding was satisfied , but it did not

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      follow that the deputy . chairman , the committeemen , the paid orators , and the pamphleteers , were also satisfied The hon . member for the West Riding adopted the prln * cipleof universal peace , justat tbe moment theywere on the point of universal war . ( Laughter . ) He was , therefore , ntfault when this pamphlet came in their way , and they then adopted their great question of electoral dis . tricts . The hon . gentleman then read the prospectus and circular letter of the meeting , which elicited much merriment . He said this movement was factitious . It originated with tie same party which gave them parliament , ary reform , and afterwards colonial reform , and now attempted financial reform . It was not a popular movement . It was erroneous , but not popular , Mr Disraeli thus concluded : Let me not be misunder . stood , nor Jet it be said that I am opposed tsal J popular interest or to all popular feeling when I flay this . No ! it is the same movement that has given you colonial , com . follow thatthe deputy . chairman , the committeemen , tha

      mercial , and financial reform , and now proposes to give you parliamentary reform . It is the same movement that has always resulted by their own confession , in dis . aster and disappointment . ( Cheers . ) But the remark , able circumstance is this , that the present movement haa not in the slightest degree originated in any class of the people , even if the people had been misled . It is pos . sible that there might be a popular movement and yet erroneous ; but this is erroneous and not popular ' ( Oncers and laughter . ) But the moral I draw from all tliis—from observing this system of organised agitation -this playing and paltering with popular passions for the aggrandisement of one tho ambitious class-the moral I draw and tbe question I ask is this-why are the people of Kngland farced to find leaders these

      among persons ? Their proper leaders are the gentry of Eheland and if they are not the leaders of the people it is because the gentlemen of England have been so nerfigent of their duties , and so unmindful of their station , that this system of professional agitation , so ruinous to the best interests of the country , has arisen in England . ( 'Hear , hear . ) It was not always so . Hon . gentlemen call themselves the country party . Why , that was the name once in England of a party who were the foremost to via . dicate popular nghts-who were the natural leaders of the people , and the champions of everything national and popular ; and vou must blame yourselves alone if you have allowed the power that has been entrusted to you by the constitution to slip from your bands , to beexer . cised for perhaps other interests than the neneral r / ood

      oi your country , when William Wyndham was the lender of the country party , do you think that he would have allowed any chairman , dcputy-chalrman , lecturer , or pamphteteerer , to deprive him of his hold on the hearts and feelings of the people of this country ? ( Hear , hear . ) So , never . ' ( Hear , hear . ) Do you think that when the question of suffrage was brought before the house , he would have alWed any class who had boldly avowed their determination to obtain a predominance , to take up and settle that question ? ( Hear ) Read what Sir J . Hyde Cotton , in tbe days of Walpole , said on the ques . tion of thu sutfraRe . He was one of tho greatest gentle . men iu the country , and he did not run away every night from the house at half-past eleven o ' clock , and allow the

      country te . De rumen . ( Hear . ) If it be necessary tbat great changes should take place in the country , let them be effected by those who ought to be the leaders in all great ana social changes . Then we shaU find changes not carried into effect for the unblushing purpose of securing a middle-class government , but an English and a national government , which has hitherto risen to be the pride of the people , and in which confidence is justly placed . ( Cheers ) If you are called on to make changes of this kind , it is in your power to make them within the scope and according- to the spirit of the English constitution ; because , notwithstanding the sneers of the hon gentleman and his friend , to-night , lam not ashamed to say that I wish to maintain the old oonstitution . ( Cheers . ) And I will tell you what I mean . I do not mean the > House of Common ! j and still less , a particular party in the house , which the hon . gentlemen opposite seem al . ways to consider the English constitution . But I would

      effect these changes , if necessary , according to the spirit of the constitution ; it is a capacious spirit ; it will allow you to do all that is necessary , and yet maintain the institutions of the country . ( Hear , hear ) I would main , tain that constitution not merely because it has secured to us the sway of an ancien t monarchy , mitigated in operation by the co-ordinate authority of popular estatesnot merely because the constitution has planted English liberty broadly and deeply in tbo land , and not made it a thing dependent on the breath of an individual or the caprice and passion of some great city-not merely because it has secured to us the due administration of justice , and the safety of person , and respect for property ( thpueh there are all considerations preat and important ); but I would maintain the constitution , because I flrmly believe that of ail existing polities it is that polity and that oonstitutlon which most tends to secure the happiness and elevate the character of the great body of the people . ( Loud cheers . )

      Mr Osbobne moved the adjournment of the debate amidst loud cries for a division . Mr Mackenzie wished to know whether the hon . gentleman ( Mr Hume ) bad made arrangements with the government for another night lo continue the debate . It seemed to him that hon . gentlemen opposite wished to go away from a division on their own motion . ( ' Oh , oh , ' and cheers . ) Mr Home was anxious to go to a division ^ the seoner the better , ( 'Hear , ' and cries of 'Divide , ' ) But as the debate had not commenced till seven o ' clock , and as it whs evident that many gentlemen wished to address the house , be hoped the noble lord would give a day for continuing the debate . Lord J . Rcsseh , said that he was not able to fix any day in the preseti * -. state of public business . \ Hear , hear , and cries of'Divide . ') The house was cleared for a division , but none took place , the debate having been adjourned to Fiiday . The house then adjourned at two o ' clock .

      WEDNESDAY , Jdhe 21 . HOUSE OF COMMOvs .-Mr A . SxarroBD moved for a new writ for the borough of Cheltenham . Sir G . Gam supported the issue of the writ , on the ground that there had been no special report from tbe committee _ against Cheltenham , whereas there had been special reports against both Leicester and Derby . A smart debate followed , and upon a dirision , the numbers were—For the motion 59

      Against it ii Majority —j 2 The issue of tbe writ was accordingly ordered . Mr H . Dbommonb moved the committal of the Tenants at Will ( Ireland ) Bill . Sir S . Grey urged the postponement of this stage until the discussion could also bu taken on a similar measure introduced by another hon . member , which would necessarily be a saving of time . Mr H . Drommond , on the ground that his bill only applied to an allowance for money already expended by the tenant , while that referred to by the rUht lion , baronet was merely of a prospective character , felt it necessary to persevere in the motion he had made . Sir W . Someryii le moved that the bill be committed that day six months , which amendment was eventually agreed to without a division , and tbe bill waa lost .

      On the motion of Sir D . L . Evans , the house went into committee on the Parliamentary Electors Bill , when the clau-e ( thc only one in the bill ) for determining the period ofpaymert of the assessed taxes up to the mouth of October of the previous year , instead of the month of April of that in which the election takes place , as required by the existing act on the part of voters , otherwise duly qualified , was , on a division , affirmed by a majority of 12 , the numbers 5 y to 47 . The house resumed and adjourned shortl y before five o ' clock .

      ( From our Third Edition of lost teeefc . ) FRIDAY Jone 16 , HOUSE OF COMMONS . —Scoab Doties . —Lord J , Russell submitted the views of the government with reference to the sugar question and tho state of distress existing in the West Iodies ; the proposition being , as tegards tbe latter , to make an advance on tho security of the colonial revenue ; , or to gunrantee a loan cf £ 500 , 000 for the purpose of providing on importation of emigrants ; that sum to be in addition to tbe ono already allowed by the house for carrying out that object . Tho further propositions with respect to the duties on sugar were the following , to come Into operation at the period stated . Year ending Foreign . Colonial . Julyo . Brown clayed . Muscovado . Muscovado

      s . a . s . d . s . d . | 1819 20 0 ., „ 18 6 13 0 1851 18 6 ........... 17 o 12 o 1 SU „ ,... 17 0 15 6 11 0 1852 15 6 H 0 » 10 0 1853 14 S 13 0 10 0 185-1 13 0 12 0 10 0 By tbis arrnng < ment the duties , after 1854 , will be equalised on all classes of sugars at 10 j . It was also proposed that the differential du'y on rum should be reduced to id , per gallon , and that the permission given last year lor tho use of sugar In breweries should be withdrawn ; but , as regarded distilleries , no advantage having been gained from the use of sugar , tbe permis . sion would continue . The drawback to be diminished In proportion to the changes tfftcted . The noble lord

      concluded by moving- tbat on Monday tbe house should resolve itself into a committee oa the act of 1816 , After a protracted debate , tho motion was agreed to . Lord John Russell postponed his notice for bringing ia a bill to repeal the Assessed Taxes clause of tbe Reform Bill until Fiiday next , and the house adjourned , j | J

      Letter From John Fussell To John Arnott....

      LETTER FROM JOHN FUSSELL TO JOHN ARNOTT . T . , T , Newgate Prison , Junk 20 . lJgAR Arsotx . —I havo succeeded in setting my bail reduced to lour ± ' 50 sureties , or two . t 100 . Now 1 hope this will ba secured ; not tint I caro for one moment about the confinement , but am not inclined to be laughed at by the Whigs in office , or the Press , tor it is quite ct-rtain that thoy intend to punish me , it possible . In court there were some ominous expressions made use of by ihe judge ; but 1 am certain , tbat if I can only secure two or three days liberty , it will enable me to defeat this abominable indictment , which , ii it succeeds , wiii endanger the liheity of my feUow-prisowra , I shall be tried

      first , there is little doubt ; and , it convicted , it will prejudice tbeir casca ; therefore , lor the s ;> ke of tho cause do all you pan . For mjself I care nothing as an !» r « . Vs L M prepared fw 8 r , y Punishmest , even to death rather than target my dutiesas a man , leeline satiahed that an unsullied conscience is the pearl of great pru-e , * 'hat , will emulate my countrymen to stand b y each other in tbe great fight for lro « tni awUibtrty . We aro all in good . pirita . and should bo / rJad t . ) iieoi from you upon any matter tss ^ fz ^ ts ^ ir ^ rrtlll g ba , l « be «« t to our attorney . Give my epecUto a . l brother Charts . 1 h ^ e you and tLem may enjoy toad health .

      1 remain , i oiirp , imtbo cause of Freedom , John Fussku

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  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), June 24, 1848, page 8, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/ns2_24061848/page/8/