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      T Tfl., The Members Of The Land ) No Iiw Company.

      t Tfl ., THE MEMBERS OF THE LAND ) nO IIW COMPANY .

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      ™ 1 oresnme , this has been an unions i ^ ff'iau not attempt to describe my V- tt ^ disappointment sustained by the ^ f in ^ f ^ o visited this estate on Monday At ^ Athe tens of thousands who were pre-JJJ ? W * weather . Not one of those i 5 i te j ito the skin felt as mnch sorrow as I SS se each only felt for Und £ and I ^ af f all ^^ P P 0 Ses - * " " ° OlS pOiCS ; t ir nti Stable fo command the weather , it is ° « ia ' oiatJficat ioji that ' one man ' s meat is £ 't £ wan s poison , ' and that , while the di

      ' rs Crs f ^ sote sappointment , the occupants fX ^ culating npon the fr uits of timely and ^ i & hins r ain . 1 have done with that jft is \ riC *& the things that have been , and I now S » Vato * natis , 0 be > andwhatis * There P " itiotttion of * 6 Land Company is sp lendid ; -rJL no tTike any representation that 1 have J seej seen in my life ; the Old Guards are there iinLingth * juveniles , and the juveniles are Noting the progress that has taken place ; shoi short , the representatives that you have t % t rej oice my heart and bespeak your imreir ^ ement . It is the miniature of that fullrthnjtfh p ortrait of Liberty and Wisdom which taiiAain will soon present to the world ; all jitwytain will soon present to the world ; all

      i upon one purpose—all are aiming to divcflrt at the desired object . If I have had lV , r foil share of anxiety , I have had more ian fa ray share of reward . Nine of your ^ eg ^ fgates , representing Scotland , and the ivergrtral districts of England and part of | f j akJand , have examined my accounts , from i fi « , e date of the last Conference down to jtffltfnuiay last the 14 th instant j they have onesne over them like men of business , devoting breqiree hoars to the task , and I will give you ijerjie result . 1 1 produced ' receipts for every farthing , to i £ i \ ji amount of a pound , disbursed from the taMs . and took no credit for small sums which

      3 % the aggregate would have made a large ^ pount , neither have I charged a single fariiiBjjing for any expense consequent upon travel-Fjgjsg , examining > states , and attending auctions , gjSijjnounting to about £ 400 or £ 500 , and , before tfiutfiu seethe balance sheet printed , perhaps you icrtiould wish to hear the result ; MY BREAST pIMiATE ; my shield , my protection , and my Jfj & fence against the missiles of pettyfogging fjtfjctionists , who sorrow and repine that 1 will jojot allow them to plunder you . Since our jj ; jj .-t Conference , in December , I have ' received til close upon £ 50 , 000 and for that sum I shewed

      t alue for every farthing . We have now in He bank , and in deposit paid on estates , and 5 d cash and stock , nearly £ 35 , 000 of available capital , after paying for Herringsgate and operations , and Lowbands and operations , and sot counting about £ 1500 worth of horses jnd ifarming-implements . More than that , I produced ali ^ bankers books ; and our agents geoiint for the purchase of Exchequer-Bills ; sad I shewed to the Finance Committee , that , tt thout a single exception , the monies received

      so to each Saturday night were deposited on jiie following Tuesday , the earliest period at ihich post office orders could be cashed , and taring interest from that day to the present . Vow , I think that the patties who estimated my profits by the amount of interest I got from the finds , will feel ashamed of themselves . I do » t mention this fact as wonderful , because there ought not , AND THERE SHALL NOT , he a deficiency of a farthing if the finds reach millions , but I do mention it in

      the hope of inspiring that confidence which is indispensable to the success of any working nan ' s project . I contend for it that if once con-Hence is fairly established ., the workingclasses have it in their power to gain the kMc representation of the country , leaving to capital , to honour , to dignity , to station , integrity , and intellect , their undiminished dare in the government .

      We have placed the Land Company in a deferent , and in an improved position , and , ay friends , is it not a novelty , in these days jf party confusion , to find sixty intellectual , independent , thoughtful , sober sons of labour segregated in a thinly populated neighbourhood , holding their parliament in their own snate house , and deliberately discussing their own affairs r Has the Land Flan , then , destroyed Chartism ?

      But to what we nave done ! "We have deeded that there shall be an Insurance Office m insuring stock , life ^ and premises upon a mailer rate of payments than those now demanded by any other insurance office ; and Ok we are enabled to do by co-operation . We have decided that there shall be a Loan Fund to aid the poorer occupants in the proser ation of their labours , so ' tbst none shall be compelled , for want of means , to go out of the Land where I wish them . togabide . "We have not held this out as a bait to catch

      the unwary ; but when we decided upon the principle , at the same time we voted the means . We voted that £ 500 or more , if needed , be applied from the ' expense fund as a'loan fund , to assist those who are already located , at the ate of £ 5 per cent . ; and while we offer this ylvantage , we do not , like other Loan Companies , demand two and twenty per cent ., stopting a portion of the interest out of the capital , and then requiring weekly instalments in liquidation ; we give the whole sum required , taking a promissory note from two responsible Leaseholders , who go security for the occupant requiring the loan , and whose solvency is to be Mged by the officers of the district , appointed k the shareholders of the district .

      Now , this addition to the Land Plan will prevent the necessity of disposing * of allotments , and will throw those who would otherwise purchase allotments into the Land Purpose Department , a subject which I shall fully illustrate for you in the next number of the 'N orthern Star / and more fully in the next number of the 'Labourer , ' which I mean to & vote exclusively to a clear and lucid explanation of the several departments , their connection with each other , and their probable * ortings as a whole . I dare say you will der * e no little gratification from the announcej & eiit , that the Manchester mechanics have debated £ 69 Q of their funds in theNationalLand

      < ad Labour Bank , and that many other somefe are about to follow their wise and patriotic trample ; and to them , as to all others , I shall ^ d y say , not that I may perish , or that my % ht hand may fall from my body , or that my ton gue may cease to wag , u I deceive them ; > iut . I do say—that I am not a pleasure man , a « rinldng man , a drunken , a gluttonous , or a 'Kurious man , and if they have not twenty killings in the pound , and four per cent , inter-*» t for their money , I must be a bobbing man , ^ lam resolved that not a farthing shall be speculated with , except for the defined and

      stipu lated purpose . ¦ Jl told you what I repeat now , that I have fct enough to do ; Itellfyou , that , with the Stance of my brother directors , we will , in Edition to the duties incumbent upon the kind Plan , manage the Insurance D epartment fBd the Loan Department , and that we will do * all better than if we had only one department . When we were poor , it was our custom t ° aaiioonce a ballot , in order to procure funds ^ purch ase Land j hut mayhap you will now * as tonished when I inform you that we have

      *?* purchased over 300 acres of land , NOT } M' BALLOTfED FOR , and over and ^ e what we are ; responsibIe for to those p * tare ] been ballotted , and that a further p tf , for a much larger number than have 5 ja balloted for yet , will take place on the J nof October . You will understand that * " money coming into the bank , between this 2 »| ben , will be placed to the credit of the Jdi ers of the first section , whose land is the legitimate security for the money deted in the Bank .

      ^ to-, ? j DOt tnm ^ * have much more V ?• having stolen the time allowed W « a a - ^ writin S tnis letter ' ° nd the " announcement , that I shall

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      pleasure in attending the camp meeting at Newton in the Willows , on Sun day next , when , in reply to several applicants , ! shall be ready and willing to receive in person all the monies they express a wish to pay into my own hands . Now , my friends , let me again impress upon you the novelty af sixty delegates meeting in a rural district , in their own house , to transact their own business—and the fact , but not the noveltv , that there is not here a single GENTLEMAN from the INDEPENDENT press of ENGLAND to report our proceedings—but , console yourselves , as 1 do ; WE'LL BEAT THE PRESS OF THE FACTIONS , and crush the monster Tyranny , by the legitimate power of

      THE PEOPLE . Ever your faithful friend and bailiff , Teakcus O'Connor lowbands . P . S . —As a matter of course , no parties will expect a complete announcement of monies this week , as only sums received at the office could be acknowledged t—all will appear in next week ' s Siar . v . ( VC «

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      but those « Home Colonies' showed that they were quite willing to labour , provided the products of their labour were applied to their own support . ( Loud cheers . ) They had been told that he had been elected member for Greenwich —true , he had been morally elected by the great majority , but Admiral Dundas had been elected by the minority , yet , Admiral Dund ' as , was declared duly elected , and he , ( Mr . Kydd . ) not so . ( Hear , hear , hear . ) But there was one man whose election had puzzled most newspaper writers—he referred to Mr O'Connor , ( great applause , ) whom they , the newspapers , all called upon to give up his mad schemes , and become a sober politician , He *( Mr Kydd ) contended that he had always been a sober politician . Had he not , when in the House , supported the case of the Glasgow cotton spinners , and

      the Dorchester labourers , ( loud cheers ;) and did be not aid Mr John Bell , who was prosecuted for writing an excellent article in a questionable newspaper . ( Hear , hear . ) He could tell Mr O'Connor , that cooperation was destined to do much more than buy land and build houses ; the people would soon possess workshops , & c , not to rob the employer , but to enrich themselves . ( Immense cheering . ) This was a new era—a glorious era—in which the pride and glory of England would be admitted to consist , not in bayonets or blood-horses , but in the comfort , prosperity , and happiness of her sons * Mr Kydd resumed his seat , loudly applauded . Mr Wild , of Mottram , also ably addressed the meeting , recommending the young women present never , to take husbands until the man became a Chartist . This concluded the public meeting .

      Robert Owen , the great philanthropist , was present , accompanied by Mr AUsop , and several other friends , all of whom appeared to take a lively interest in the proceedings of the day . The people then quietly separated .

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      Demonstration On The People's Second Est...

      DEMONSTRATION ON THE PEOPLE'S SECOND ESTATE , LOWBANDS , WORCESTERSHIRE . TJus demonstration came off on Monday , August 16 th . Sunday , the day previous , found numerous individuals gratifyingthemselves with viewing this < Working Man ' s home . ' Its tasteful fates , swinging from stone piers at the several entrances , and beautiful crescents , of forty-five stone-built cottages , and out-houses , and the splendid school , were the theme of unmixed admiration . It was quite refresh ing to witness the magnificent crops of wheat , barley , & c ., with which the neighbourhood abounds . Mr O'Connor has a quantity of cows grazing on the meadow land , which won the wander of all—whilst his

      specimen monster meat , and model potatoes , excel ling in sire , quality , and quantity , any we ever saw , proved universally attractive . Mr O'Connor , who is called 'the Squire , ' appears to bathe ' admired of all admirers , ' by the poor and shopkeepers for miles around , whilst the ' small gentry , ' with whom it was our lot to come in contact , all appeared te have the greatest dread of O'Connor , the Charter , and the Small Farm System , and sneeringly asked if the Chartists were coming on Monday'to have a good spree , ' and eet jolly drunk V and appeared quite astounded when we told them that the Chartists were a sober , reflecting people , and that many of them

      were total abstainers of longstanding ; and were literally petrified when we shewed them that the working classes were the mainstay of the State , and of far more importance than the aristocracy—and that it was the purpose of the Chartists , in building thsse ' home colonies , ' to obtain a legitimate influence by the exercise of the franchise . Monday morning arrived , and we found people flocking in from all parts , some having travelled over fifty miles ; vans , waggons , carta , chaises , and the rail , having each contributed their quota of anxious inspectors and admirers of the People ' s Second Estate . But the elements appeared to have

      conspired against the good cease , for the weather , which had been peculiarly fine on the previous day , now became hazy ; the Malvern Hills , which rise ia the distance , were capped with a thick mist , and at nine o ' clock the rain came pelting down , and continued so to do until five o'clock in theafternoon , thus destroying the bright hopes and pleasant prospects of the pleasure seekers and visitors , notwithstanding which thousands gratified their curiosity by narrowly inspecting the Cottages , School , « tc . Ahustingshad been erected , and at three o ' clock , notwithstanding

      the pouring , pelting rain , vast numbers gathered round the platform . The leading men having consulted with Mr . O'Connor , concluded that it would be an act of cruelty to keep the people standing listening to speeches under such circumstances . Mr . T . Clarks , therefore , in a few words , announced this decision to the meeting , who gave three loud and long cheers for the Charter and the Land , and retired . Shortly after five o ' clock , the rain having cleared off , we found Mr . O'Connor in the act of addressing a multitude of people from the hustings : —•

      He congratulated them on their improved intellect , and their improved position ; they now constituted a 656 th part of the House of Commons , and their principles would be now proclaimed , trumpet-tongued , to the whole world . ( Great applause . ) Their good humour was a proof that they knew how to bear with disappointment . ( Hear , hear . ) What would he not have given for such a day as yesterday . ( Cheers . ) The Whigs said they were too ignorant , but had they built any places like that ( pointing to the school ) in which , to enlighten the people ?

      ( Loud cheers . ) This was the memorable 16 th of August ; he dared say there were some present who remembered it as a bloody day on the ensanguined field of Peterloo . He should like to see the Yeomanry that wordd venture here , even with the Duke of Wellington or that other Field-Marshal at their head . ( Great cheering . ) He could understand what poverty and famine was , if , when they hungered , a dish or two also disappeared from the table of the Queen . ( Hear , hear . ) He had recently stood on a platform with a Queen ' s Minister , and

      triumphed over him . ( Loud cheers . ) That Minister said , if he saw his ( Mr O'Connor ' s ) principles right he vfould adopt them- but he ( Mr O'Connor ) told him that he was his pupil—he , therefore , recommended him to go back and re-adopt his own old principles . ( Loud cheers . ) In the new Parliament would be found about one hundred railway directors , & c , who would act on the principle scratch me , and I will scratch you —( Laughter)—but he had determined that , however much he might scratch them , none of them should scratch him . ( Renewed laughter . ) True , Walpole said , that every man had his price , and he ( Mr O'Connor ) had his—it was Universal Suffrage , Vote by Ballot ,

      Annual Parliaments , Equal Electoral Districts , Payment of Members , No Property Qualification , and a Homestead for the Working Man . ( Immense cheer ing . ) It was said the working classes were immoral , but this he knew , that the middle classes could not assemble together for two hours , without black eyes and bloody noses—but where was the drunken man to be seen amongst them ? ( Great applause . ) He thought men that were sent to Parliament should be men who had graduated amongst themmen who understood the science of cottage not political economy . ( Loud cheers ;) Althongh this wet day had disappointed many , there was one

      gratifying circumstances with it , —whilst the visitors would go home disappointed , the allottees' potatoes ' would be much more numerous , and of much greater weight . ( Cheers . ) Hehadverygreatpleasureinsuperintending this estate , and he should shortly have the pleasure of converting the estate of a dissipated nobleman , into residences for industrious working men . ( Loud cheers . ) It was his lot to pay off their debts , and the people ' s lot , by their sobriety and economy , to find the money , and enjoy the produce arising from the possession of such estates . ( Loud cheers . ) He had commenced with the blistered hands , and with them he would fight the

      battle to the end . Mr O'Connor retired amidst three times three hearty cheers . Mr Samuel Kidd then came forward , loudly applauded , and said he , like other young men , had very stupidly endeavoured to get knowledge out of books alone , but this was a new era , and he now commenced with nature , and his mother earth . Men , from the bleak north to the sunny south , had now began to ask , 'Am I a man I' ( Loud cheers . ) He thought no man need blush to own that he was a Chartist , for out ef the political movement had arisen this great Land Movement , and the

      tradesmen and gentry should rejoice at it , as it must have the effect of saving the country from war , and bloodshed , and their desolating and degrading consequences . Yet the Chartists have been told that they want to take everything from everybody , and to give nothing to nobody . ( Hear , hear . ) The producing classes had been cruelly used , but they did not wish to retaliate , ( hear , hear , ) but they would eo on bavins Land , and buildiag cottages , and every cottager would represent a voter , and thus would they obtain the legislative power of redressing their grievances ; ( Loud cheers . ) It had been said by their opponents , that the working classes were idle ,

      Conference Of The National Land Company....

      CONFERENCE OF THE NATIONAL LAND COMPANY . This body assembled on the People ' s Second Estate , Lowbands , Worcestershire , in the splendid school-room , erected in the centre of that beautiful spot , on Monday morninfr , August 16 th . Mr James Sweet , of Nottingham , was for the second time unanimously elected president of the Conference . The Mowing persons handed in their names as delegates : — Henry Smith Stockport Isaac Danson Manchester James Taylor Ashton Joseph Rogers Manchester Thomas Raskin Do . William Foster Do . Daniel Donovan Do .

      John Sutton Do . John Nuttal Do . William Dixon Do . Nicholas Canning Wigan Jeremiah Yates Potteries John Warren Stockport ThomasWebb Do . Thomas Saunders Brighton George Stephens Hull Robert Wild Derby George Humphries Somen Town T . M . Jenkins Ashton James Saunders Radford Benjamin Douse Nottingham James Sweet Do .

      Thomas Tattersall Bolton Ralph Entwistle Blackburn Robert Kidd Dundee Zachariah Astill Leicester Edward Lawless Warrington Henry Haines Sunderland James Hoyle Manchester William Stark Do . David Rise Morgan Merthyr William Munday Northampton William Jones Leicester John Gleddill Hnddersfield

      John Jones Bolton Samuel Kydd Surrey Dancan Sherrington Glasgow Charles Willis Rochester John Hornby O'Connorville James Grassby . Westminster JohnBuswell Banbury John Smith Bradford Benjamin Barber Do . John Grey Blackburn George Rice Newton Abbott Anthony Armstead Blackburn The credentials were next read .

      Mr Samuel Ktdd moved— ' That the Conference meet at half-pr . st nine , adjourn at one for dinner , at half-past two resume , and sit until six , ' which was seconded , and carried unanimously . It was also resolved , after considerable discussion , on the motion of Mr Raskin— ' That each mover of a motion have five minutes to open his motion , and five to reply ; also that each speaker who may address the Conference , shall be allowed five minutes for that purpose . ' On the motion of Mr S . Ktdd , it was resolved'That the directors be allowed to speak on any motion , but not to vote . ' On the motion of Mr Rahbtn , it was likewise resolved— ' That a committee of seven be appointed te investigate and report on disputed elections . '

      Mr J . Edwards then took his seat , as delegate for Newton Abbott , as did also Mr J . Harding for Worcester . Messrs S . Kydd , Wild , Tattersall , Grassby , Sherrington , Smith , and Gleddill , were then appointed members of the Election Committee . Mr John Hornby , having presented himself as a delegate for O'Connorville , MrT . CLABKsaid , the O'Connorville Estate was not a district , but a portion of the Banbury district , hence he was bound to enter his protest against Mr Hornby ' s election . It was resolved— 'That the subject be referred to the Election Committee . ' Mr John Lord was appointed doorkeeper to the Conference , and Mr Stephen Clark , messenger . On the motion of Mr Harding , it was resolved' That the decision of the Election Committee shall be final . '

      On the motion of Messrs Smith and Barber , it was resolved— ' That any member desirous of moving for an alteration in the existing rules of the Company , shall give notice of bringing forward the motion two hours prior to the introduction of the same , through the President . ' Mr M'Grath stated that the programme of business was printed in the . Company ' s organ , the Northern Star , and was consequently well known to all , and suggested the propriety of reading the instructions from the delegates , which having been assented to , Mr Smith , of Stockport , said that district was desirous of having the power of regulating the salaries of district officers , without the interference of the Directors . Mr Webb confirmed the statement . Mr Dawson said he was instructed to support the programme as issued by the Directors .

      Mr Dawsok , of Manchester , said he was instructed to move that the numbers of fortunate shareholders and their residence should be published in thQ Northern star , in lieu of their names as heretofore . On the motion of Messrs Ncmuand Sciion , it was resolved— ' That the Conference do adjourn until Tuesday morning . ' Ssookd Da * . —ToKBDAt , August 17-The Conference resumed its sitting at half-past nine o ' clock , the several delegates having answered to their names , the following persons took their seats : — Joseph Hewitt Leeds Robert Burrell Greenock William Leich Cheltenham John Towns Bradford Frank Mirfield Sheffield J . A . Fussell Birmingham

      John Chance Stourbridge John Shaw Tower Hamlets Benjamin Rushton Hudderafield Charles Rebbeck Bristol Joseph Linney Bilston Mr Robbet Kidd moved , seconded by Mr Bdsbbii — 'That the present standing order relative to the time of meeting be rescinded , and that we meet for business at eight , and continue the sitting , with one hour ' s intermission , until seven in the evening . Ihe motion , after considerable discussion , was lost . The Election Committee then reported— ' That Mr Canning should sit as a delegate . ' « That Mr Hornby cannot be considered a delegate for O'Connorville . ' , 'That the six delegates from Manchester be allowed to take their seats , and that the other four have their expenses to return back again immediately . ' ' That Joseph Dawson do sit for Salford . '

      On the motion of Mr O'Cosnob , the report of the Committee was received . On the motion of Messrs O'Conkok and Yatbs , it was resolved— ' That the four members be allowed to remain and speak on motions , but not to vote . ' Mr O ' Conkob then rose te submit the programme , and stated that he had brought his receipts down to Saturday last ; and in his balance rteet the sums

      Conference Of The National Land Company....

      r « i W , . nefcca 8 tt-hearingintere 8 tfrom that time . He would suggest that a financial committee be appointed , consisting of nine , which was seconded and earned unanimously . The-following persons were elected :-J . A . Fussell , Burrell , Dixon , J . Shaw , Sherrington , Sweet , Ed ! wards , Hewitt , and Morgan . The next question arising from the programme Sf * fe'ifh ^ K O ' nnor stated tha the question . had been fully set forth in the Laborer ] much more fully than he could now set it forth . He had taken the opinion of council on the subject , and they had come to the conclusion that the bank should to ? . 6 ?; £ e ? 0 ntF 0 ? 1 and management of one man , and that the Und shall be the security to the depositors ; me Hedemption Fund would be ah additional '

      security . He proposed that a thoroughly conipetent person shomd be appointed to fill the office of Bank Director , and that he have £ 400 per annum as remuneration ; for , be it remembered , they must have a person who has served an apprenticeship to the Banking system . His conviction was that for each £ 10 , 000 worth of land , they should raise ten thousand pounds , and thus would they be enabled to carry on their operations ; and , be it remembered , that the labour on the estates was continually increasing the value of the security offered for the £ 10 , 000 . Days would be set ' apart for receiving deposits , on which days he would be in town to receive them , and would take care that they should be placed at interest immediately , and every year he would have a balance sheet ophe Banking accounts , the same as he now had oftne Land accounts .

      Mr T . Clark wished the Conference to understand that the directors could not legally carry on the Bank themselves , and therefore Mr O'Connor would be the banker , and they would transact business with him , on the same principle as with any other bankers . Mr Donovan wished to understand how a rent charge could be made available security . Mr O'Connor explained that a rent charge was looked on by the law as the best security . Mr Rankin wished to know how it would be when an allottee had paid up his redemption money and received his cottage and land . Mr O'Connor explained that the banker would only have to pay out an equal amount of stock .

      Mr Harding thought it would be necessary to cause depositors to give longer notice , before they should be allowed to withdraw their deposits . Mr Bbbrbia differed with Mr 0 ' Connor . He did not see the necessity of the Bank being managed by one person , he could not see why it should not be conducted by a Board of Directors , something like the National Land Company , although a separate board from that Company . Mr B . named the Greenock Bank as an illustration of his arguments , and suggested the propriety of having agents in Manchester , and other large towns : that they should be

      men well qualified for the purpose , and that they should be amply remunerated for their services . He would therefore move— 'That a committee should be appointed to consider the Bank question . ' Mr O'Connor thought district Banks were out of the question , and he would not be responsible for any money except such as came through his own hands , and the number of paid officers required , would swallow up more than the interest on the deposits received . The laws relating to Banking in Scotland were different to those in England ; again , he repeated , he would only be responsible for money received by himself .

      Mr Dixon : But you mean , surely , to allow persons in Manchester and other parts to receive monies and forward it f Mr O'Connob : Undoubtedly . Mr Baibbr said , in Norwich they had trustees already appointed for the purpose , who transferred the money to the Bank in London , and furnished them with a receipt in return . Mr Smith said the London Bank was satisfactory to his constituents . Mr Eniwistlb thought one Bank the most acceptable to the country . Mr John Shaw said , his constituents had instructed him to vote for a National Bank at once . He perfectly agreed that the expense of local Banks would be ruinous . Mr TAYWBsaid , in Ashton they had a secretary and treasurer , in whom they had confidence , in and

      through whom they were perfectly satisfied to remit their cash . Mr Sherrington said , he thought printed instructions should be issued , setting forth how the money was to be transmitted , the interest it would bear , the notice required for withdrawal of deposits , & c . Mr O'Connor said , should ever the property change hands the security would be equally the same ; the Bank could not be carried on by directors , because , if the Company established a Bank they would be entitled to the profits , whereas he , as an individual , was not bound to do so , but cou'd give the advantages to the Company . Mr A . Fussbli , moved , — 'ThatMr O'Connor be hereby requested to carry out the Bankimmediately , and that we proceed to arrange the amount of interest , & c , and that Mr O'Connor be the banker . ' Mr Linnet seconded the motion .

      Mr Donovan said , he understood the allottees were not rent payers , but interest payers , ' and hence be wished to know how they could be rendered security . Mr O'Connor said , he had already answered the question , and could only repeat that answer ; namely , — ' That the law held it as the highest security . ' Mr Wild said , a very large sum had already been received , and he suggested that the monies should be received precisely the same way as the funds were for the National Land Company . . Mr Rankin said , it was his duty to understand the principles of the Banking System . He wished to know if a second sum could be raised *

      Mr O'Connor said Mr Rankin had been led into an error , as to the position held by the occupants , and hence his data were unfounded . Mr O'Connor said , he had just received a letter from the Steam Engine Makers of Manchester , in which they announced their determination to withdraw their money ( £ 600 ) from Sir B . Heywood's Bank , and transfer it te the National Land and Labour Bank . ( The letter was greeted with loud cheers . ) Mr Tattbbsali , wished to know , it Mr O'Connor was banker , whether he would be the servant of the Company , and if he could be compelled to give an annual account ? Mr O'Connor said , he had already stated he was not bound to render an annual account , but he would do so .

      Mr Wheeler thought the resolution before the Conference quite uncalled for , as , if Mr O'Connor was sole banker , of course he would make all the arrangements for conducting it . Mr Suite moved , — ' That this Conference recommend the country to deposit their funds in the National Land and Labour Bank . ' Mr Dixon seconded the motion . ' Mr Robert Kidd thought , as the Bank was to be Mr O'Connor ' s , we bad no business to go into the details for conducting the same . Mr Burbeix thought that the best mode would be to have a Crs ; nittee , out of which the Bank System should be formed .

      Mr John Chance thought that the question was simply—Was Mr O'Connor approved oi ? Mr Whbelsr said , he thought , that , as it was the property of the Land Company on which the money was raised , that Mr Burrell was quite right , and that , under those circumstances , the delegates had to do with it . Mr Donovan supported the amendment . Mr Hoile said , he would move an amendment , — ' That the Trustees be instructed to hand over the property as security to the depositors in the National Land and Labour Bank . ' Mr O'Connor explained that this was impossible . The resolution moved by Mr Smith was then unanimously adopted , and Mr Fussell ' s motion was

      adopted as a rider , with the exception of the appointment of Mr O'Connor as a Banker . The next question on the programme was the Land Purchase Department . Mr O'Connor said , he thought the objections urged against it most frivolous , as it was well known that they could get things cheaper in the wholesale market than in the retail ; and as the person so buying would pay an interest of five per cent , and two pounds ten towards completing the conveyance , it must be an advantage to the Company , and facilitate our o perations , as without money they could not obtain Land , and bv each purchaser they would receive a bonus of £ 210 s . independent of the five per cent , interest , and the money which he received as benefit by dealing in the wholesale market .

      AFTERNOON SITTING . Mr Swbbt resumed the chair , at half-past two o ' clock . The discussion of the Land Purchase Denartment was then proceeded with . Mr T . Cubx said , he agreed with the motion submitted , having studied it , and was convinced it would bring Iargesums to the Company's funds , and , if the middle class should come to reside , they would become acquainted with their principles . _ MrMABTis Jw * said , his constituents were of opinion that there should be a limit to the Land pur-Ch siETHNB said , his constituents were in favour of ten per cent .

      Conference Of The National Land Company....

      _ Mr Habjmno moved— ' That members of the Land Purchase Department be admitted , upon condition that they take their allotments as apportioned by a ballot for their location , in common with members of the National Land Company , subject to the understanding that the Company will give them their superintendance to the building of their houses , and give them the benefits of their wholesale building materials- ' Mr O ' Connor seconded the motion- He did not think this class would amount to more than one in seven , and would not be gentlemen , but simply mechanics who had saved money from their own labour , and as to the several allotments , they would be rented at their value , and the rents being equalised the allotments were all equally valuable . It would entail a deal of unnecessary labour on him , and be unjust to the parties named therein .

      Mr Rankin supported the views laid down by Mr 0 Conner , and said his prejudices were now dissipated . Mr Burrell moved— 'That they enter on the same terms as the members , having their allotments within twelve months ' from the time they had paid their money . ' Mr O'Connor said , the law would not admit of the resolution moved by Mr Burrell . Mr Whbblbr said , he was entirely in favour of the Land Purchase Department , and thought it would prove one of the mainstays of the Company . Mr Clark thought it indispensable that the names of such p arties should be registered .

      Mr Mdndat wished to know , if a person who had paid up £ 5 . 4 s . for a four-acre share , would be allowed that in the amount he might pay into the Land Purchase Department . Mr O'Connor : No , certainly not ; but he could dispose of his share easily enough . Mr Monday : Suppose land were purchased , and the numbers ballotted for that land , would the members of this Purchase Department step in to their injury ? Mr O'Connor : No ; their money must be paid in prior to any purchase being made in their name .

      Mr Linnet said , his constituents were opposed to it , on the ground that they would not be Chartist votes . Mr O'Connor asked , were the present holders of land Chartist voters ? Mr Dotle said , he thought they would have a better opportunity of becoming Chartists by mixing amongst the Chartists , and certainly the profits arising from their purchases , would enable the Company to make more Chartist voters . Mr Humphries said , this question had been much discussed in Somers Town , and they thought it would be raising a middle class ^ party .

      Mr Donovan thought the matter should be left entirely with Mr O'Coanor . Mr FcssEiL thought , if it was left entirely with Mr O'Connor , it would not give satisfaction . Mr Harding's resolution was carried by a considerable majority . The next subject was' the School '—as to the time the schoolmasters and mistresses should be appointed , and the terms they should hold the schools on . Mr CiiABK moved— 'That the rent should be the same as that payed by the other allottees . ' Mr Shbbbinoton seconded the motion . Mr Wheeler said , he did not think the Conference could decide on the sum which the schoolmaster or mistress should charge for each pupil , and hence the rent should be the same for the land , and the house rent free .

      Mr Hornet , from his experience at O'Connorville , agreed with the observation made by Mr Wheeler . He did net think it possible to get rents for the schools at the present time . Mr Wbdb did not think that high rents for schools could be obtained on any estate at the present moment , Mr Humphries said , he thought it was ridiculous to build fine school-houses , and then charge high rents , and keep both masters and scholars away ; hence , fie was opposed to their paying the same rents as other allottees . Mr Suite thought the schoolmasters on our estates had opportunities of having boarders , which others had not .

      Mr Samuel Ktdd thought the schools should be looked at more in the light of mental profit—than pecuniary profit . He did not think any schoolmasters would do much for the first twelve months ; schools did not generally get established under three yearsand parents would not send tneir children t « a distance , when they conld get good education at home . As to the appointment of masters and mistresses , he thought the allottees as well qualified as the directors ; hence , he thought the appointment should be invested In them , and that the master or mistress should have six months' notice to quit , 0 said this

      Mr Connor was impracticable , and never could be carried out ; the minority would be dissatisfied , and probably withdraw their children , and hence there would be a schoolmaster and mistress one month and none the other ; it would be always going in and coming out . He had no hesitation in saying , that there would be boarders , and he thought those should pay who consumed the mental food , and as far as inquiring into the qualification went , he thought the directors had the best opportunity of judging . Mr Sherrinuion said , he should be most happy to support the motion of Mr Kydd , as regarded the appointment of the schoolmaster and mistresses .

      Mr Wheeler moved :- ' That the expenses of the school , be charged on the general expense of the Estate . ' Which was seconded by Mr Wild , who said , he thought the whole company ought to pay for the erection of the schools , that the parties appointed should be respectable , and well qualified , so that they might not only be useful , but an honour to the Company . Mr Miufield said , he thought the occupants were much more able to pay ! than many of the members of the Company , and in the course of two or three years would be in a far better condition . Mr Donovan said , the schools had been likened to a shop ; well , if a man had mental . food to sell , and there were none to buy , he had better keep out of the house , equally so if he could not sell at the price within the means of the people , and hence ho was opposed to the charging of heavy rents and taxes .

      Mr Judb suggested the propriety of giving the schoolmasters and mistresses their ground fee , and that such teachers might obtain a portion of the government grant . Mr Burrell would prefer that the directors sent a list of candidates to the allottees , and that tbey made choice from such list . Mr Clare said , he would not object to reducing the interest to four or three-and-a-half per cent ., which perhaps would obviate the objections made to his motion . , , „ . „ Mr Sherrington thought the interest of the Company should be the first looked to , and that none should pay but those who were benefitted by the schools .

      Mr O'Connor thought no schoolmaster or mistress should walk in without paying a rental . He recommended the Conference to avoid patronage , or it would lead to the destruction of the funds of the Company . Mr Shaw said , he was desirous that the schoolmasters and mistresses should be enabled to do their duty—and he did not wish to impose taxes—but he much feared that any of the Company ' s colonies would not for some considerable time be enabled to pay for „ the masters and mistresses . He suggested the propriety of a fund of one penny per share per annum , to meet the demand .

      Mr Uenrt Smith thought it quite impracticable for the schools to be self-supporting at first . He should like to know the cost of a school like this . Mr O'Connor : £ 300 . Mr Hoile said , he paid at the rate of threepence per week each for educating his children ; now there were forty-five families on this estate , and that would realise a tolerable sum , independent of what he made by his Land , and hence he thought the master could

      pay . Mr O'Connor thought a master would be well able to pay ; however , he had no objection to support the motion for reducing the interest on the school property to four per cent . .... Mr Webs did not think the school house should be the property of the master , but of the allottees , so that the allottees could hold meetings when they required . Mr Rankin said , he did not think the objection of Mr Webb to bo a valid one ; they must settle the question in such a way as would not be injurious to those who were not yet allocated . lie did not think it was right to tax a man who had no children , for tho education of others .

      Mr Shebbinoton thought it quite easy to make arrangements for the use of the school room at seasonable hours . Look at what an outcry had been made against the support of religious institutions from which they derived no benefit . » £ Mr Martin Jude thought the whole of the members should support the schools . Mr Wheemr said , they must recollect thatit would require a man and woman-and he would remind them ot the utter impossibility of that mar . and woman having a moment to attend to the land , if they attended to the cultivation of the minds of the children .

      Conference Of The National Land Company....

      Mr O'Connor said , it would be impossible that th ^ plans laid down by Messrs Jude , Wheeler . and . Webb » could be carried out . He would be bound to find them a good tenant that never would be backward , that would pay £ 24 per annum . Mr Munday suggested that the masters and mis * tresses might be in some measure paid in the children ' s labour on their land . Mr Barber thought the master would be placed in a proud position' He would have an excellent opportunity of making thirteen shiJliegs per week , after , his rent was paid ; besides the profits realised from his land . __ _ ...... Mr O'Connor said , it would be impossible that ^ rs plans laid down by Mews Jude , Wheeler . and . Webp * nnnlri hfl Carried OUt . He WOlllrl ha hnunri in And ,

      After a few words from Mr ifusseii , Mr said there were doubts whether the allottees would send their children to the schools ; they might , for the first six months , be too poor to pay for them-and hence he would suggest the masters and mistresses should live rent free for that time . Mr Nuttall did not think the occupants of either O'Connorville or Lowbands would be enabled to afford schooling for their children , for the first twelvemonths , and hence it would be well if they made some provision for that period ; after that , he thought the occupants might be enabled to support their own schools . Mr O'Connor said , if any did not send their children it would be not because they could not do so , but because they would not . He believed , were the vui otiose uney wouia noc . tie oenevea , were mo

      school opened here , it would bo full of children . Mr John Shaw : Ho had no doubt the people were thankful for what they had done for them , but they had not Saturday nights yet , to pay for the education of their children . Mr Linnet said , he thought the master might be paid ma measure in kind ; but , at the same time , he had no objection to give him the first year rent free . Mr Harmno agreed that the school-house should be rent free for the first year , and the land or garden only to be paid for . Mr Clark ' s motion in favour of four per cent , was carried . On the motion of Messrs Donovan and Dixon , it was agreed— ' That the schoolmasters shall have the school-reoms at O'Connorville and Redmarley rent freo , for the first twelve months ; but that they pay four per cent , for the land tbey hold . '

      The Conference then adjourned . i . . Third Dat . —Wbdnesday , August 18 . Mr James Sweet resumed the chair ' at half-past nise o'clock . Mr Gbassbt , on behalf of the Election Committee * reported that they had decided— ' That Mr Barber be received as the delegate for Norwich ; Messrs Rushton and Buckley ftjr Halifax ; Mr Morgan for Merthyr Tydvil ; Mr Leach for Stourbridge ; and Mr Munday for Northampton . ' The report was received . Mr SamuelJ ' Ktdd then , rose , for the purpose of

      bringing forward his resolution relative to the schools , as follows : — ' That the allottees have the power to elect and remove the schoolmasters ; that the schoolmaster be liable to be removed at six months' notice , upon a requisition to that effect , signed by a majority oi the allottees , and presented to the directors ; the directors to examine all candidates for the situation of schooltuaster , and report | thereon to ihe allottees ; that the report of the directors , and names of the candidates , be transmitted to the allottees one month pre * vious to the day of election . ' Mr Kydd waived his right to speak , and contented himself by moving the resolution .

      Mr Duncan Sherrington seconded the motion , observing that his constituents were unanimously in . favour of the principle contained therein . Mr T . Clark moved , as an amendment , the resolution of last Conference , as follows : —• Schoolmasters for the locations shall be appointed by the Board of Directors . Every schoolmaster shall be liable to be removed at six months' notice , upon a requisition to that effect signed by two thirds ef the allottees , and presented by them to the directors . ' He thought , as the pupils would not be all children of allottees , the best mode would be for the directors to appoint , and the allottees to remove , if occasion required . Mr Donovan seconded the amendment , and said , that as the Company had taken on themselves to build the school , so should they have , through the

      directors , the means of appointment . He thought the original resolution , the directors first selecting a list , and the allottees choosing from that list , would be an insult to the allottees ; and he thought the directors best qualified for the appointment of such officers , seeing they would have the opportunity of inquiring into the moral , as well as the mental capacity of the several candidates . Mr T . M . Wheelbr said , were the school the property of the allottees , he would have supported Mr Kydd ' s motion , but as the school was the property of the Company , they should appoint the schoolmasters ; and another reason was , that at O'Connorville there were twenty applicants for the appointment of schoolmaster , not one of whom was known to the allottees .

      Mr Burrell said , on principle he was hound to support the motion of Mr Kydd . He denied that the schools were the property of the Company , as the schoolmaster would have to pay the rent , such rents coming from the pockets of the allottees for the instruction received by their children ; and as such , the allottees were the best calculated for appointing such persons . Mr O'Connor said , Mr Burrell thought that , were the appointment vested in directors , it would lead them to give the patronage to their- children and

      relatives . butthe directors had scarcely any childrenand he had no relatives he could desire to bestow patronage on . Again , the school was not the property of the allottees—but of the Company—and then , the sending a list of candidates to them , for them to select from , would belike no election at all , and might be something like'Home Toeke ' s basket of rotten apples , not a sound one amongst them . Mr Burreli ' s speech had thoroughly convinced him of the necessity of leaving theappointment in the hands of the directors .

      Mr Sherrington said , Mr Clark seemed to think that the school was the property of the Company ,, and that the allottees should have no control over it —but if they adopted this resolution , thev would be saying to the allottees— ' You are so bigotted , so ignorant , that you are not fit to choose a schoolmaster , yet we will invest you with the right of electing a member of Parliament . ' He believed the resolution would give the allottees a choice , and , notwithstanding what Mr Donovan had said , there was something in personal appearance . A person suitable for a scholmaster should be of mild disposition , and of courteous bearing , or he would prove useless as a teacher .

      Mr Robert Kidd said , he was bound by hia instructions , as well as from his own feelings and convictions , to support Mr Samuel Kydd ' s motion . Mr Rankin said , he thought there was scarcely a man in this room but had advocated the right of the people to Universal Suffrage , and it did appear strange that they should be now told they were not fit to choose a schoolmaster , feeling thus , he would support the original resolution . Mr Dixon said , he was sorry to oppose his friend , Mr Rankin : He could not think it Universal Suffrage to allow thirty-five men to elect for a Company of 30 , 000 . Again , the religious opinions of the allottees might be as various as the number of the cottages on the estate , and each would require a man of their own persuasion—which must lead to heartburningy .

      MrWsBB said , there was a difference of opinion on the subject in Stockport—the majority was in favour of the directors having the appointment , and hence , he would support that view . Mr Sanders wished the appointment to he left in the hands of the Conference . Mr Habmno said , he had held all along the principles laid down in the amendment of Mr Clark , and bis constituents were ot the same opinion . . Mr Jones ( Leicester ) said , he was ennvinnort Mi .

      Clark was right , and he should vote against his constituents' wish , but he trusted to convince tnem of the sound policy of his vote on bis return . Mr Humphries said , he should support the motion of Mr Kydd , as he thought , were the residents of one estate dissatisfied , it would go through the whole country , and , notwithstanding all that had been said , he believed that if the appointment were vested in the directors , it would lead to patronage . He could not agree with Mr Dixon's reasoning on Universal Suffrage .

      Mr Dawson wished the app ointments invested in Mr O'Connor . Mr O'Connor , I would not take it . Mr Dawson moved a resolution to that effect , which was seconded by Mr Shaw , who said he had made up his mind to support the proposition , that the directors should appoint the schoolmasters Mr Ghassbt said , after the last C onference , an angry discussion had arisen in Westminster on this subject . He would move an amendment "" That the directors be allowed to select andwcommeSS the allottees suitable persons to fin the office of schoolmaster ,. andthat such schoolma teS > fcelected by balk * by the allottees , and that such schoolmaster »» ft * ectt 0 r f- ? L by . Toteof tlvffifoftS allottees , sanctioned by the Board of Directors . ' ak > MrSs . D 8 UPP ° Mr Clark ' motion ' M did amend T S 8 aW ' liewould su PP ° MrGrassbj ' s

      _ Mr Barber thought , in the present state of sectananism , Mr Clark ' s would be the preferable proposition . Mr Wild thought Mr Clark ' s was the best proposition , and hence he would give it his support . Mr Nuttall had been in favour of Mr Kydd ' s motion , but from the reasoning he had heard he should support Mr Clark ' s amendment . Mr Sutton thought tho allottees did not EurHci ently know each other to make a good choice , and as the rule only stood for twelve months , ha would support Mr Clark's amendment . Mr M'Grath said , there were but two arguments against Mr Clark ' s motion , patronage , —and that it was not democratic ; however , he thought patronage disposed of ; but under MrKydd ' s resolution patronage could and would be used , as each would be desirous ( CWfoKftt ( 9 tf « Fifth Ftfi . J ; r" >

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  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), Aug. 21, 1847, page 1, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/ns2_21081847/page/1/