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      ~ ^ __< HJSE OF LORDS , Moxbat , Apktl 14 , . - AiWfti Mentation of a vast number of petitions ¦ r ?*_^^ M _ rqui 8 of Clanricarde and the Earlof Bal-? £££ & £% » ™* ** " >*> -veral . billson theteble Sforwardeda stage , and theirlordships adjourned . - TCBSDAT , AplUX 15 . # - The house sat for a short time , but no busines of impor tance' ^ as brought under consideration .

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      HOUSE OF COMMONS , Fbidat , Aran , 11 . - a vast number of petitions were presented , chiefly -against the ' Government measure respecting the College ^ jl-yiooth . One of these , presented by Mr . Perrand from the Protestant Operative Association of Dublin , praying for -te impeachment of Sir B . Peel , was received -Kith immoderate bursts of laughter . Sir R . Peel presented a petitionfrom the Remonstrant Synod of Ulster , approving of the project ' respecting Maynooth , and praying that it aJght be passed into law as speedily as possible . The R % ht Hob , Baronet then moved tbe second readnpr of the Maynooth C negeSiH . Mr . Co-qrHoui , objected to the second reading , contendng tha * it was an endowment of a college for the propagation of error .

      Mr . GaooAN took a similar view of the question , contending that it was a concession to the agitation of the Conciliation TTnll . He protested against the grant , because it was made in aid of a Church which he deemed to be a corrupt one . The Protestant mind in Ireland was n a state of great dismay in consequence of this proposition , and on the part of his constituents he protested against tne second reading of the bill , and would give his determined opposition to it in aU its future stages . Mr . Gladstone , in a very able address , supported the proposition of the Government . He was not responsible

      or the measure , but he felt its vast importance , and perceiving the feeling of the country to be decidedly in its avonr , and likewise believing that giving a better educaon to the Catholic priesthood must have a bp " ^^^ effect on the C- tholic community , V - ^ " g ^ ^ . vote n favour of the motion . ~ ttm & h ' be said that this was ^ concession _ L agitation , but he saw little in the argu -uent , for it was the fate of almost all great measures io e received in a spirit not consonant with that in which they were conceded . Lord Arundel supported the measure .

      Mr . D'IsB ___ i observed , that in listening to the speech of Mr . Gladstone he had wondered in his own mind what had led Mr . Gladstone to pass below the gangway to deliberate on this measure . He had next wondered why Ah _ Gladstone had crossed the house to deliberate upon the principles of it , and had pursued the course which he had allowed whilst in opposition . Mr . Gladstone had explained the reason by stating that the principle on which the connexion of Church and State rested was worn out , and that her Majesty ' s Government had just discovered that to be the fact . But if such were the case , had there

      been no public men in that house who had previously advocated the new principle now propounded by Mr . Glad-Stone i Did not the members of the late Administration discover it , and had not opposition to it been considered as the foundation of the Conservative theory . It had been said , "You have endowed the Anglican Church , why wiR yon not endow tbeRoman Catholic Church V But that was an evasion of the question ; for the real question was , " Hid we endow the Anglican Church ? " He for one denied it ; and unless that position was proved , tbe whole foundation for this measure was Cut away from under it . Sir Robert Peel had stated that there were three courses

      open to the house . He had never known Sir Robert bring forward a great measure without making the same statement ; and he was light in making it There was the course which he had left , the course which he wasfol-1 owing , end the course he . ought to . pursue . There was af 3 ? Z fGurui course ; for the house might adopt that which Sir I ' obcrz recommended , and then , hating adopted , might rescind it ; and that was a course which he hoped that Sir EotK-rt would not forget on a future occasion . On the present he had come forward with a great measure and a small precedent , lie had traced the progress of the steam-engine back to the teakettle . He ( Mr . Disraeli } had hitherto looked up to Mr . Gladstone as the abstraction of chivalry , as the Paladin of principle , and had never expected that he would come forward and hr this great change of principle by a change

      of circumstances . He was not certain that the Church of England had received additional strength from its union with the State ; but if the State would leave the 'Church to itself , it would not shrink from the perform" ance of its duties . He was convinced that the Protestants of the Church of England in Ireland , if they were asked , ** Witt you sever the connexion now existing between your Church and the State , or will you consent to the endowment of the Roman Catholic Church by the State , " would reply , " Sever the connection between our Church and ' the State , bat do not force upon ns an endowment £ or the Roman Catholic Church . He denied that in England the Church bad ever been the creature of the State ; and would oppose the bill , not only on " principle bat on account of the manner in which , and of the men hy whom , it was brought forward . "When he

      ' remembered the appropriation clause , he thought it perfectly monstrous that because Ministers had been enabled to cross the house by opposing it , they should now feel hemselves at liberty to say , "Forget us , and look at our measure . " Had this bill been brought forward by Lord J . RnsseU and his coUeagues , it would have been checked T > y the operation of a constitutional Opposition . At the ' presentmoment such an Opposition did not exist ; and they had a Government carrying this measure by an organisatiou which was framed for the express pur pose of opposing it . Some years ago they had been accustomed to toast with three times three , and with nine times nine , the- independence of the House of lord ; -. But Conservatism and a Conservative dictator had reduced the independence of the House of Lords to comparative insignificance . Would the House of

      Commons consent to be reduced to the same miserable condition ? The House of Lords had been drilled into a guardroom ; would the House of Commons permit itself to he degraded into a vestry ? If they did not show something ofa mutinous or a rebellious spirit against the dictation of the Treasury bench , the house would have this bill—ay , and the more important bill for the endowment of the Soman Catholic clergy , of which Mr . Gladstone had that evening given notice , carried triumphantly , almost without a struggle , and would find the obbies of the House of Lords filled with crowds of their anxious and disappointed constituents . He was certain that there was no people which could resist a " cross " so deeply laid anil so astutely accomplished . He reminded the house that this bill was introduced instead of an Irish Registration lUll , af : erhon . members had been accustomed

      for four veal's to the lowering of then" - tones and to working without a constitutional Opposition . In that < in » what treatment had they not received , what ind % aities had they not sustained , until at length their very murmurs were not listened to : They were at last arrived at a crisis in which they must decide this measure , not upon its own merits , but upon the merits of the men who had brought itinto Parliament It had been said that this was a liberal boon to the Soman Catholic clergy ef Ireland . It was not so . It was a paltry , meagre , miserable gift , unworthy of us to give , and of them to accent . It was a question whether the Roman Catholic students of theology should have £ 23 or £ 28 a year , and whether they should sleep three , or only two , in a bed . But even f it had been a princely gift , it was not from the polluted hand of Mm whose bleak shade had

      arrested the boon of Catholic emancipation for twenty ve years , that the Soman Catholics of Ireland ought O receive it As to the Whigs , he despaired of making any appeal with success to their hereditary convictions , otherwise he should have thought that Lord J . Russell , with his high character , and still higher aspirations , would have been tired erenow of bang dragged at the wheels of the triumphal car of a conqueror who had not COnqueredbimiBfair fight . Enough had transpired of ate to convince the most incredulous statesman that emming was not caution , and that habitual perfidy was not high policy of state . On that ground he sought to bring back to the house the salutary check of a constitutional Opposition ; and it could only he done by putting an end to the dynasty of deception and to the prevailing system of Parliamentary imposture .

      Mr . Roebuck viewed the question as one of great national importance , and was much surprised at the introduction into the discussion of petty personalities . He could not congratulate Mr , Disraeli on his speech , for t contained no characteristic calculated to bear away te open malice . These were miserable displays to be witnessed in that house upon a subject which interested the feelings of tbe whole nation . 'Without further reference to these personalities , he would state at once that he would support the measure proposed by the Government The honourable and learned gentleman then entered at considerable length into the reasons which induced him to come to that conclusion , contending that this was the first great step in the way of conciliation , and he hoped it would have its weight Vfith the leaders of the Irish people , and induce them to refrain from working on the feelings of their excitable countrymen , from motives of personal ambition . .

      Lord Ko-ihlahd said it pained him to oppose the Government of her Majesty , but he could not support the present proposition . Mr . W . Bebesfoud moved the adjournment of the debate until Monday , which was immediately agreed to . ' -HOUSE OF COMMONS , Moitoat , Apbil 14 . A great numfor of petitions were presented against the grant to Maynooth . Mr . F-23-Kn gave notice that on the third reading of the Maynooth Grant-till , he would move an amendment , declaring that the Charitable Bequests Act was a violation of the Act of Settlement , and a contravention of the oath of supremacy ; and that the Maynooth College Bill is calculated to encourage and spread a religion opposed to the Protestant Reformed religion established by lawV ' Mr . S . Crawford gave notice that he would move an amendment , condemnatory of the principle of religious endowments for any sect whatever . - "' The adjourned debate was then resumed by

      s Mr . Hawes , who supported the grant to Maynooth as a measure calculated to promote the spread of education in Ireland ; but the aipect of the biU before the house was Mmw « kat 4 | aageab y tire arguments of its aoatstrenu ^ upBftters , ^ ^ vawBe ot lSr oMrtone ,. aU ft ^ tottemfcraiMthat the present was but the pre second readmg of the h _& bj * ««__ support - ^ Ward's

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      amendment in committee , and would . also propose other amendments with a similar object , that of endowing the Roman Catholic religion with a portion of the property of the Protestant Establishment Sir T . Fbehantle said that when he reflected they were dealing with seven millions of people of the Catholic religion , he could hot imagine that the bill gave either encouragement or the contrary to Boman Catholicism . The principle of the grant had been conceded in 1795 , and had been acted upon ever since , and its increase was a matter of justice and expediency , considering the increase of the population in Ireland , their poverty , and the implied conditions of the union .- The bill was an earnest of the kind and the liberal spirit in which the present Government were prepared to govern Ireland , seeking its tranquility and the security of property by winning the confidence of the people .

      Mr . P . Mau _ e opposed the bill , because it went to change a mere annual grant into a permanent one—thus endowing a religious establishment , over which they had not the slightest control , and recognising a principle precisely the reverse of that upon whieh they had acted with respect to the Pree Church of Scotland . It was hopeless to expect that this bill would put an end to agitation , or that they would stop short , should it once become law , of the entire endowment of the Roman Catholic Church . Lord Casijubb-agh thought that this bill went to remove a cause of animal contention , which had now existed for nearly fifty years , and would therefore be received , he believed , by his Catholic fellow-countrymen with good feeling and good will . He hoped that Sir R . Peel would persevere in the course he was pursuing , undismayed by either the combination or defection of parties .

      The O'Conoe Dojr , as a Roman Catholic member , was willing to receive the measure as liberal in spirit and effective for its purposes . The Catholics of Ireland could not consent to the connection of their Church with the State ; but they could not refuse a grant placing Maynooth on a respectable footing , worthy of the eminent men — ' resided in it , and of the education thev ^' ^ j \ Mr . LEEiin . contended th ^ e bi ll ' was a violation of the Protestant cb ^ v ^ consUt ution , and would , therp * " - ' - ¦ ¦¦ ' .. .. ... are , oppose it .

      Col . T . TVoon ( Middlesex ) regarded the bill as a measure of justice to Ireland , and thought it involved in common honesty other measures , such as the endowment of the Catholic Church , in order to pacify Ireland and cement its union with this country . He was aware that he differed with many of his constituents in this opinion , but , violating no pledge and forfeiting no honour , he would , whatever might be the consequences , give his hearty vote for the bin before the house . Sir C . Names took the same view of the question , and supported the bill , knowing that he also differed in opinion with many of his constituents .

      Mr . Staffoed O'Bkien opposed the measure on the ground that the improved education at Maynooth would give refined tastes , which would utterly unfit the Catholic priest for the duties he would subsequently have to perform . Had such a measure , or that very measure verbatim , been proposed by Lord John Russell , while a Minister , he believed it would have been opposed by every one of those Conservatives who now were lending it their support . Had he made up his mind to vote for the measure , he would , in that case , have felt himself bound to resign his trust into the hands of his constituents , Mr . C . Winn said , that during forty or fifty years he had sat in that house he had uniformly supported measures of this kind , and would support this one also , as being well calculated to draw closer the bonds of union between the two countries . The great object was that the Catholics should be trained up in subjection to the law , and that their priests , instead of being the leaders of agitation , might become the links of unity between the Government and the people ; and he , therefore , hoped the bill might be carried to a successful issue .

      Mr . Cowpeb , in voting for the bill , could not understand that he was at aU voting for or against religious error . It was but £ omin /;_; fejrSCSS that the Gafljolics Of Ireland should have a fair share out of the money they , as well as the Protestants , contributed to the Consolidated Fund , for the purposes of education . Mr . Gbegokt opposed the bill , contending that it would lead to the endowment of the Catholic Church , and the endowment of one community would necessarily lead to the endowment of every other . Mr . Macaulay reviewed the chief objections whieh had been made to the measure , and , iu replying to them , observed that a great number of those gentlemen who were about to oppose this bill would have voted for the ordinary grant to Maynooth . Now , with such gentlemen , principle formed no ground of objection ; for with them

      the question was one between £ 9000 and 26 , 000 . For his own part , he thought that if they were to give a grant at all , they should give one efficient for the purpose for which it was professed to be intended- When he saw the magnificent way in which English universities were maintained , and when he reflected on the vast quantity of wealth formerly taken from the Catholic Church , he confessed he was astonished at the niggardly spirit hitherto displayed towards " Do-the-boys-Hall" at Maynooth . With respect to the argument , that by this bill they were giving money for the inculcation of error , the right lion , gentleman contended that in every Church there was a certain portion of error . None were perfect . There v » as ia the Scottish Chwtch and in the Church , oi England also much of error , and , in endowing those Churches , they were to a certain extent paying money

      for the circulation of error . Under these circumstances he conceived himself entitled to vote for giving this grant for the benefit of the people of Ireland , notwithstanding that there was in his opinion a proportion of error in the religious doctrine inculcated , He would say , however , that the conduct of public men should be governed by fixed principles — that those principles should guide them , whether on the opposition or the ministerial benches . This had not been the case with the right hon . baronet , who had twice obtained power and deluded the expectations of those by whom he was supported ; and he must also say that when seeking power he had appealed to passions with which he had not the slightest sympathy , and to prejudices in which he did not

      share . Thus , he had held out to the anxious Protestants of Ireland a hope ofa registration bUI which would annihilate the political power of the Catholics ; and , having obtained power , instead ofa registration bill , he presented them with a bill for Maynooth . He challenged Mm to show any fixed principle regarding Irish affairs which had actuated him both in and out of office . The present Government were therefore , he contended , the most unprincipled opposition the world ever saw ; but that was no reason why their measures , if good , should be rejected ; and therefore ^ though believing that the fate of the bill and of the Ministry also were in the disposal of that side of the house , he would nevertheless support it steadily and perseveringly , although aware that in so doing he risked his ' seat in Parliament .

      Mr . Shaw looked upon this bill as the first regular endowment of the Catholic Church since the Reformation , and it was regarded in Ireland as a severe blow to the Esablished Church in that country . Mr . S . Heb- __ - said that Mr . Macaulay had shown to demonstration that no principle was concerned in the question before the house . He quite agreed with him in this ; but then he wished to know if no principle were involved , how could the right hon . gentleman think that there was a great violation of principle committed by the Government in bringing it forward ? The right hon . gentleman ( Mr . Herbert ) then proceeded to reply to many of the objections urged against the bin in the course of the debate , and said he was so convinced of its justice and necessity that he was perfectly willing to take his full share of any obloquy which might faU to the share of its supporters . Major Bebesfobd then moved the adjournment of the debate until Tuesday , which was immediately acceded to .

      TOESDAT , APKIL 15 . - An immense number of petitions were presented against the proposed grant to Maynooth . Against them Mr . Colquhoun presented a petition from a public meeting held on Monday evening , at Covent-garden Theatre , at which not less than 5000 persons were present . The petition was signed on behalf of the meeting by Mr . R . C . L . Sevan , the chairman . The petitioners , amongst other things , said , "That the proposal of her Majesty ' s Government formally to endow the College of Maynooth for the education of the Romish priesthood of Ireland , at the expense of the united kingdom , is a measure which this meeting feels constrained , by every principle of religion , to oppose by all the means of resistance which the laws and constitution of these realms will permit . "

      Mr . FjteAND moved , that the petition of the members of the Dublin Protestant Operative Association and Reformation Society , and other Protestants ,, praying the house forthwith to institute an inquiry into the conduct of the Sight Hon . Sir R . Peel , Bart ., M . P ., and , if the premises of the petitioners be correct , to impeaeh him for high crimes and misdemeanours against the laws and constitution of the realm ( presented 11 th April ) , be printed . He hoped there would be no objection to the printing of the petition , which was most respectfully worded . It was his intention to bring the allegations it contained against the right hon . baronet at the head of Government under the consideration of the house on the third reading of tbe Maynooth bill , if it should reach that stage . Colonel Rawdok was of opinion that the house could not sanction such a proposition , more particularly as the petition contained passages in reference to the coronation oath , couched in terms offensive to all Roman Catholics .

      After a short discussion , Sir J . Gbaham said he would assent to tbe printing of the petition , if the hon . member would pledge , himself to found a motion upon it . Mr . Febrand said he had already given notice that he would move an amendment on the third reading of the Maynooth Bill , which would be based upon the allegations of the petition . Lord J . RnssEU , thought it was absurd to print such a petition as this upon a vague assurance that a motion would be moved on the third reading of the bill calling for the impeachment of Sir R . Peel because of the passing of the Charitable Bequests Act Without a more distinct assurance ofa specific motion , he must oppose the printing of the petition .

      ' Mr . T . Duncombe said , that tbe hon . member ( Mr , Perrand ) had not given a distinct pledge that he would make a motion founded on the petition unconnected with the third reading of the Maynooth College Bill . If he gave that distinct pledge , he thought the house would not have the power to refuse the printing of the petition . As there was a strong feeling that the right of petitioning was encroached on , he should , on the understanding that the hon . member meant to found a specific motion on the

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      petition , vote for its being printed , in the event of a diti « sioh taking place . .. : ;¦ ' ; : .:: " ,-.., . j ; l ? Mr . Fe-bako said it was not his intention to make a distinct motion founded on the petition , and therefore , as he saw the sense of the house was against the motion for printing the petition , he should withdraw that motion . Motion accordingly withdrawn . A further and immense number of petitions against the Maynooth grant were then presented , after which the adjourned debate on the bill was resumed , Major Bebesfobd opposed the bill because it weakened

      the position of the Church of England in Ireland and exposed it to the greatest dangers . He contended that the College of Maynooth was not fit to be continued as a semi-: nary for education , for its pupils disseminated among the people of Ireland the doctrines of agitation rather than those of peace and Christian charity . He insisted that this bill was in direct opposition " to every principle which had placed the present Government in power . They had now brought forward for representation the very drama which they had damned and hissed off the stage when it was acted by the managers of the rival house .

      Mr . Bino said , that having voted for every measure brought forward for amending the civil condition of the Roman Catholics for the sixty-seven years during which he had been a member of Parliament , he felt it necessary to declare that he supported this measure not only on political , but also on religious grounds . He thought that the Roman Catholics of Ireland had been worse governed than any other set of men in Europe ; and he could not find in the sacred Scriptures a single passage ht which he was ordered by the great God who made us all to hate any man who differed from him in religion . He could not remain in that house any longer with a vote if he did not give it on this occasion in favour of the Roma ^ Gatholics of Ireland . Could any man disl ^ j- ^ neasurc more than Sir R . Peel and the ^ sie of Wellington i And yet it was not from , ^ j ^ DUt from a firm conviction that it wa ? ! C 7- the benefit of the country , that they now gave it their warmest support ,

      Colonel Teener stated , that if the last speaker had been the advocate of Catholic emancipation for the last sixty-seven years , he had been the advocate of the claims of the Protestants for the last fifty . As such , he must denounce this bill as a violation of principle which could not be defended even on the paltry ground of expediency . He referred to Mr . O'ConrieU's " hurrah for Peel and Repeal , " as a proof that he considered this measure a step in advance to repeal . He complained that the Protestants of Ireland had not of late years been treated by the Government of the country with the respect and the attention which their importance and their loyalty deserved .

      Mr . Hume hailed this measure as one of great national importance , and should , therefore , give it his support . He made a personal appeal to Sir S . Inglis , and advised him to consider , whether the principles on which his revered father had acted towards the people of India , when he was one of the directors of the East India Company , were not wiser and more charitable than those on which he was then acting towards the people of Ireland . . If we were to give that support to the Roman Catholic religion in Ireland which the East India Company gave to the religion of the Hindoos in India , he was certain that wc

      should find the benefit of it in the increased love and attachment of our Irish fellow-countrymen . He then proceeded to defend Sir R . Peel from the attack which had been made upon him last night , because he was now proposing measures contrary to the principles of those which he advocated four years ago .: If there were any force in this mode of attack , what would Mr . Macaulay say to St . Paul , who was a persecutor of the Christians up to a certain period of his life ? Though he . intended to support this bill , he objected to taking the money for the endowment of Maynooth from the consolidated fund . He considered that there were church funds in Ireland which

      were better apphcable for such a purpose , Mr . Newdegate could not give his support to the bill , on account of the tenets which were avowed and taught by the Roman Catholic clergy . If the population were ignorant , one of the principles on which they regularly acted was this— " Si populus wilt deeipi , dficiptatur . " He considered that the Roman Catholics precluded themselves by the profession of such principles from aU assistance from British and Protestant resources . Besides , he could not see how our assistance could be reasonably demanded for the endowment of Maynooth , when £ 10 , 000

      a-year was regularly sent to the Propaganda at Lyons from Ireland , and yet not a penny was subscribed for their own college at Maynooth . He was afraid that college was under the management of the Jesuits , a society which , at one time or other , had been expelled from every country in Europe except our own , as arrant disturbers of the public peace . He deprecated the introduction of this measure at tbe present moment , inasmuch as the rejection of it might , if Sir C . Napier ' s anticipations of a war with America' , were correct , add to the dangers arising from external enmity all the evils of internal

      dis-. Mr . Pakingxon replied ' to the arguments of the preceding speaker , and contended that he had not proved that the Roman Catholics of Ireland were able to supply the sum of £ 17 , 000 a-year , which was necessary at present to to put the College of Maynooth into a comfortable and dignified position . He then adverted to tbe speech delivered by Mr . Macaulay on the preceding night , and observed that he was sorry to hear the narrow party grounds on which he had argued a question involving high national considerations on the one hand , and high religious scruples on the other . He insisted that the

      charges which Mr . Macaulay had brought forward against the Conservative Government were perfectly unfounded . He denied that it had ever raised the cry of " No Popery " to embarrass the late Administration during the time when the members of it were in Opposition . Adverting more particularly to the measure itself , whieh he described as a great act of justice and generosity , he said , that he gave it his support on two grounds , —that it was impossible to leave the College of Maynooth on the footing on whieh it now stood , and that it was a step in that system of conciliation which every wise Government must pursue in future towards Ireland .

      Mr . Stew am was surprised to hear the declaration of Mr . Pakington that the Conservative Government had never , when they were in opposition , raised the cry of " No Popery" against their predecessors in office . He wished that he could cite the Conservative constituencies into court , in order to prove from , their confessions that the cry of "Ho Popery" was a weapon used with great effect against Whig candidates . Passing from that topic , he adverted to the biU before the house , which he condemned in the most unmeasured terms , and which , he trusted , would never pass into law . In giving tho grant to the College of Maynooth a permanent place in the statute-book , Pariiament would be committing an act in opposition to that solemn protest into which this country

      had entered against Popery . He contended , that as a measure of pacification , it would be a signal failure , and in proof of this position quoted a declaration of , Mr . O'Connell , that he accepted it as ; the first fruits of fear , but that he was determined that it should not be the last . He considered it to be a measure fraught with evil both to tbeRoman Catholic and to the Protestant portions of the community . It was fraught with evil to the Roman Catholics , for it encouraged hopes in their minds which he was sure no Government could realise ; and to the Protestants , for it had raised feelings of animosity in their hearts which it would take a long time to allay . If this bill should become law , the force of pubUc opinion would speedily compel the G overnment to repeal it .

      The fiarl of Linco-n wished it to beunderstood that he did not give to this measure a doubtful or hesitating support , hut that he was deeply interested in its immediate and its ultimate success , He was convinced of its wisdom , its justice , and its necessity , and could not understand how it could be resisted on the ground of its being inconsistent with religious principle ; Those who rejected it on that ground , must also refuse their assent to the original grant to the College of Maynooth—they must withdraw their support from tho Regium Donum , and they must withhold all support from the institutions which we had for the support of religion in colonies professing a religious creed different from our own . He showed that , as agitation had been suppressed and the supremacy of the law had been vindicated , this was the time in which this measure could be offered by the Government as a boon with grace , and could be accepted by the people as a benefit with gratitude . He reminded the house that , if it now rejected this measure , it could not restore affairs to

      the same condition in which they were before it was pro posed . It had now raised the hopes of the Roman-Catholics of Ire-uid . He implored it not to dash them ruthlessly down to the ground , for , if it did , it would incur a heavy and serious responsibility . He admitted that the vote which he was about to give on this question was , in some respects , to him a very painful one . He Should give it in opposition to the views of many of his constituents , whose religious feelings he revered and respected , and in opposition to the wishes of one to whom it would not be becoming in him , nor , indeed , was it necessary , further to allude . Painful , however , as his vote oh this question must be , he should betray his duty to his country if he allowed those considerations to make him falter in the course which he had determined to pursue . He believed that the measure would tend to increase the prosperity of Ireland , and to produce political and religious peace in both countries ; and , as such , he would give it his most cordial support .

      Lord Woks _ ey said that though he had presented 136 petitions from his constituents against this bill , and though he admitted that they were generally averse to it , he felt compelled by a sense of duty to give it his support , for he considered it to be a measure calculated to do inconceivable good to Ireland , Iu supporting the second reading , he wished it to be understood that he gave no opinion as to the source whence the funds were to come . Mr . M . Milnes declared his intention to support this bill , both for what it was and for what it promised to the people of Ireland . Last year he had placed upon the books a resolution that to endow the Soman Catholic priests of that country would be a measure of wise and just policy ; and when ' he went down to visit his constituents , he received from them a reception not very unlike that which Sir R . Peel ' s biU on this subject had received from the constituency at large , He then entered into a defence of" the innoceney " of tho present measure , whieh he said was supported by every practical statesman ,. and was opposed only by the pious theorists of the closet

      Mr . Serjeant Mhbphy defended the ' Roman . Catholic clergy of Ireland from the , imputations which had been cast upon them by Mr . Colquhoun and those who had followed in his train . The right hon . member for- Perth ( Mr . F . Maule ) last night quoted the authority of a Mr . James Grant , who had paid a recent visit to Ireland ) and written a book , in which he bore testimony to the very comfortable appointments and conditions ' of the students of Maynooth , and whieh he seemed to exaggerate consi-

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      derably , But , as that gentleman was a Scotchman , perhaps the mere wearing of apair of trousers was considered by Mm as a ; great luxury . ( Laughter . ) Now , he happened to have before ' him a book written by the same person some few years ago , from which he would make a few quotations , to show the sort of value that ought to be placed upon the descriptions given by this eminent Scotch trav eller , aud what notions he was able to form of comfort , clothing , and dress . ( The hon , and learned member then proceeded to read some passages , which , on account of tho broad disparity between the attempted portraitures and the persons , excited universal merriment in the house . ) To begin , detur dioniorf , with the right hon . baronet , whom the writer thus graphically described : — " His usual dress is a green surtout . " ( A loud burst of laughter . ) . "A light waistcoat and dark trousers . " ( Renewed laughter . )

      • '" He generally displays a large chain on his breast , with a bunch of gold seals of unusually large dimensions . " ( Laughter . ) He could not say whether this would be regarded as a foul calumny or not ; but the writer Jwent onto say— "lean scarcely call him a dandy ; yet he sacrifices a great deal to tho graces . And for my part I hardly know any public man who dresses in better taste , " ( Roars of laughter . ) That was the description given of the right hon . baronet . On turning over the pages he came to another description , which appeared to be underlined ; it was of the gallant officer the member for Lincoln . ( Laughter . ) As the gallant ofiicer received the allusion iu the same good humour in which it was intended , he should make no bones of reading the passage : —" His countenance is . altogether unique . " ( Laughter . ) " It stool ou ' c in broad relief from the coun tenances of tji M , e other members . Two or three

      senators rejoice in tufts , a few in whiskers of decent proportions ; but , compared with the moustaches and whiskerof the gallant colonel , one iccls indignant that they should be dignified by the name . You hardly know whether he has a m « uth or not , it is so completely buried amidst the surrounding crop of hair , until he begins to speak . " ( Great laughter , ) " He is extremely proud of his whiskers and moustaches . " ( Repeated laughter . ) But mark the postscript : — "He would do and suffer a great deal for his party and his principles ; but , rather than lose his moustaches and whiskers , he would suffer Tories , constitution , and all to be scattered to the winds . " ( Loud laughter , in which the gallant colonel joined . )

      But , to come to the other side of the house , there was a description given of the hon . member for Lambeth : — "He speaks pretty often ; generally on the details of some apparently unimportant bill . I know no one great principle or measure with which he is identified . " ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) "Heis alittle man , with a round face , dark hah ' , and a dark complexion . ( Laughter . ) To finish these extracts ; the right hon . member for Perth , who rested so much on this writer , was thus described by him : — "He is a man of exceedingly graceful proportions , and of very retiring habits . " ( Prolonged laughter . ) How , he ( Mr . Serjeant Murphy ) was quite certain that no hon . member who had heard those

      descriptions could doubt the authority quoted by the right hon . member for Perth on aU matters of dress , comfort , aud convenience . ( Hear , and laughter . ) The people of Ireland did not receive this measure as a boon to the Roman Catholic priests , but as an act of justice . He asked the house whether it was willing to dash the cup of promise from the lips of Ireland , and , if it were , whether it was prepared to meet the consequences of such insanity . He then proceeded to comment with great severity on the speech delivered by Dr . Croly at a public meeting held a day or two ago in the city of London , and ridiculed the notion of his considering the decapitation of Charles I . as a just judgment for his having married a Roman Catholic princess . He believed that the adoption of this measure would be most conducive to the interests of England and Ireland , while the rejection of it would create great and lasting animosity , and would endanger the peace of the two kingdoms .

      Sir J . Hanmer opposed , and Mr . Ross supported the bill . Mr . M . Gore observed that , if he could suppose that this bill impugned the principles of the Reformation , his opposition to it would be as warm as he now intended his support to be . But he saw no cause of opposition to it on religious grounds , and , therefore , as it appeared calculated to join England and Ireland together in peace and harmony , he should do everything in his power to promote its success . On the motion of Mr . Hamilton , the debate was then adjourned . Wbhsebdat , Aran , 16 . After the presentation of a great number of petitions against the Maynooth Bill , the adjourned debate was resumed by

      Mr . Hamilton , who opposed the bill , contending that the doctrines of Catholicism , as taught at Maynooth , were opposed to Divine truth , and civiUy and socially alike pernicious . Mr . E . Ellice gave his warm support to the bill , but would , nevertheless , support the amendment of which Mr . Ward had given notice that he would move in committee . Still , should that amendment be defeated , he would support the bill , as a measure of tardy justice to Ireland . He hoped the Government would persevere in the course they had begun , as far as they could do , without alarming the prejudices of the Protestants , and they would reap their reward in the increased happiness , ultimately , of the whole community . After some observations from Mr . Goring ,

      Lord Asihev admitted that if the measure should work well it would be productive of great benefit in Ireland , by conciliating public feeling ; but , on the other hand , should it work ill , the result would be the destruction of the Protestant Establishment . He objected to the bill , because it proceeded to endowment by Act of Parliament , and he believed the recognition by this hill of the Roman Catholic religion as one of the institutions of the State had sunk deeper into the minds of tho English people than if they had increased the Maynooth grant to three times the amount . He could not see , if this hill were passed , how the house could refuse to endow the Roman Catholic Church ; for his part , were he to support the present measure , he should conceive himself bound in honour to support a subsequent proposition for the endowment of the Irish priesthood . Under these circumstances he would oppose a bill whieh he felt certain would not satisfy the Catholics of Ireland , but which , instead of promoting peace , would , in his opinion , exasperate strife , and lead to the most disastrous results .

      The Chancellor of the Exchequer said that , sincerely attached as he was to the Established Church , he could never bring himself to vote for any measure which could have a tendency to injure it . The bill , however , introduced no new principle , and he believed that the spirit of Protestantism was more likely to reach the minds of the Catholics through the medium of kindness than by neglect , depression , and ignorance . He believed that at the present moment fifty members could not be found who would vote against the ordinary grant to Maynooth , and it was clear , therefore , that the only course to be adopted was by a small pecuniary grant to raise the Maynooth establishment into decency and respect , and thereby to secure the gratitude , good-will , and tranquillity of the great body of the Irish people . If the present measure should be rejected , who would be responsible for the tranquillity of Ireland ? Let them censure—let them impeach the Ministry if they would ; but he intreated that the house would not awaken passions which would exceed its power to subdue .

      Sir W . Cjcav warmly supported the bill , though he was aware it was objected to by a large body of his constituents . The grant ; he contended , should be received as strictly given for educational purposes to the unjustly treated Roman Catholics of Ireland . Lord Bernakd had always opposed the Maynooth grant upon religious grounds , and for similar reasons he was decidedly opposed to the bill before the house , which he believed calculated to stop the progress of the reformed religion in Ireland . Sir J . Easthopb said that they had to govern Catholic Ireland , and the question was whether they were to govern it by justice , kindness , and conciliation , or the contrarywhether , in fact , they were to extend to eight miUions of people that kind of assistance which they had a decided right to demand . Believing that they should govern Ireland in this spirit of justice , he would vote for a bill which was calculated to repress agitation to inspire confidence , and produce the most beneficial results to the whole

      empire . lord JoceiiTN looked upon this measure as one of purely civil polity , to which he would give Ms warmest and most cordial support He denied that Sir R . Peel had been guilty of any inconsistency in bringing forward this measure . On the contrary , tho right hon . baronet , on taking office , had acknowledged that Ireland would be his chief difficulty ; but that he would endeavour to govern that country in a spirit of impartiality and conciliation ; and it was in accordance with that pledge that ho had brought the present measure under the consideration of Parliament .

      Mr . Bbioht condemned the intolerance displayed in the speech of Lord Bernard , whose notions of the way in which Ireland should be governed were almost insane . He felt it necessary to say this , because he intended to vote on the seme side as the noble lord , and was unwilling to be misunderstood . He objected to vote a sum of money out of the consolidated fund for a purpose wldch must ult imately lead to the establishment of another Church in Ireland . He looked upon this measure as a sop to the Irish priests to induce them to refrain from exposing to the eyes of Europe the deplorable situation of that wretched people—to become , in short , as tame as the Protestant priests of Suffolk and Dorsetshire , who saw incendiary fires spreading around them without having the courage to call public attention to the miserable con . dition of the people .

      Lord S , Makweks felt himself called upon to take his share of any odium incurred by the Government in bringing forward this measure of just concession , which he could not believe calculated in any way to endanger the Established Church . He admitted that the Irish Esta-Wished Church was in danger , but that danger emanated from her own sons , who pursued a course likely to alienate the good wishes of aU other communities . Poor and miserableas was the provision for Maynooth . it had answered at least , the chief purpose for which it was established educating

      , by a priesthood under whose tutelage the men had not become less sober nor the women less chaste than under the ancient regime . That priesthood had indeed displayed ^ zeal , a single-minded devotion and perseveranee in theexecuhon of then- vocation , which it might he well if the pastors of other faiths would imitate ; He looked upon the bdl not only as an olive branch held out t ^ CathoW Ireland , hut as a pledge of good feeling which would wmi the best feelings of the Catholics towards their Protestant fellow-subjects , and lead to the adoption of more favourable impressions of the reformed religion .

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      Mr , Rothebivrd' supported' thesecond reading of the bill . '¦ ¦ : ¦;• - ' " . i-- ' ' " ; . -: •'¦ ; - - " .- "T l ' - ¦' - •" ¦ Mr . Smvthe ; in , supporti _ g-the bUI ; said he had two years ago brought considerable'odium ' -on himself by suggesting a measure of this description . He remembered that he had then drawn down upon himself some obloquy from gentlemen who stated that concession had already reached its limits ; and he reconnected that he had been attacked by the noble lord the member for Liverpool in particular . He could assure the noble lord , however , that he did not remember the attack for its severity . The noble lord had then spoken of the rashness and the forwardness of : youth , and he believed that if he were so minded he might at ' preaent retort upon the noble lord , by reminding him of the rashness and the forwardness of

      riper age , and of the proverbial extravagances of late conversions , Butthe noblelord was privileged to change Ms opinions , and he should take his revenge of the noble lord by saying , that if he were the worse courtier , he had proved hiinself the better judge . The right hon . gentleman had , in his opinion , been justly characterised by the hon , member for Sheffield as the great doer of his age ; and as he had done emancipation , so , he believed , would he do Maynooth . ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) For his part , he had not been deceived by the right hon . gentleman ' s adolescence ; and neither was he one of those who believed , with his hon . friend the member for Shrewsbury , that the right hon . jre _ tlc „ ian waf ? the enemy of Ireland , although it niight be a question whethe * Ireland were not the enemy of the right hon . gentleman . Among the contrasts which the long career of the right hon . gentleman afforded , there was none which historyjwould deal with so

      leniently , or record so favourably , as the contrast between Mr . Secretary Peel and the Prime Minister Sir Robert Peel , ( Hear , " hear . ) The young and proscribing partisan had become the clement and beneficent ruler ; the young Octavius of intolerance was merged in the Augustus of conciliation . ( Hear hear . ) The right hon . baronet might in that matter rely upon the sincerity of his ( Mr . Smythe ' s ) congratulations , because he knew full well how much they would cost him . He knew too well how much odium he had befoie incurred with an arohleplscopal constituency by his previous suggestions upon that subject , not to be quite certain that he would again be at issue with that archiepiscopal constituency . Similar feelings might , he thought , be excited upon other subjects . There was , for instance , something suspicious , to say the least of it , in the ethics of Oxford . Suppose they were ] to take the following line of Euripides— I

      . " . My tongue has sworn it , but my mind is unsworn , " and apply it to certain articles : suppose they were to take a passage from Terence , which he could mention ; an ode from Catullus , a sentence from Plato , and a morality , it was his belief that it would then be quite as easy to affright the Wesleyans and to alarm the Independents as by raising the "No Popery" cry in the present instance . Then away with that one-sided phraseology—with that hypocrisy winch objected to books of devotion eateehetically distributed , but flung them broad-cast among children- —which strained at tho calendar , hut swallowed the mythology . He was aware that it would be as easy to get up a "No Popery" cry now as it would have been in 1807 , or 18 U 7 , or 1829 ; and he only wished it were under the control of such men as the noble lord the member for

      Dorsetshire ( Lord Ashley ) , who had addressed them that evening with that great abUity , and that grave sense of responsibility , whieh distinguished every speech of that noblelord . But that was not the case ; and he wished that some of the "No Popery" enthusiasts—he did not mean to say that there were any of those enthusiasts in that house—would look back and pass in review all the men they had believed in from Titus Gates to Lord George Gordon , and from Lord George Gordon to our own times ; and then he thought that they would see -with him that all the superstition had not been on one side . ( Hear , hear . ) One result , at least , he had no doubt would follow from that retrospect ; and it was , that those persons would find out that they had been always betrayed by their own leaders . The moment a great Protestant

      champion entered that house , still flushed with the plaudits of Exeter Hall—with the Doxology , perhaps , still ringing in his ears , and determined to carry everything before him , it happened somehow or other that their common sense acted upon him as religion did upon a dervishhe went round ( hear , hear , and'laughter ) : ho kicked a little , hut stUl he went round . It was a Parliamentary polka , which the whole of that ( the ministerial ) bench , from the right hon , gentleman the member for the Uni . versity of Cambridge ( the Chancellor of the Exchequer ) to the hon . member for Selkirkshire ( Mr . Pringle ) were practising . ( Renewed cries of " hear , hear , " and laughter . ) And it wag that going round of the great Parliamentary leaders of the great Protestant champions in that house , which rendered the "No Popery" agitation ,

      notwithstanding all its zeal , and all its earnestness , and all its respectability—for earnestness and respectability were to his mind synonymous- —it was that which rendered the agitation utterly null and inefficient . But there had arisen of late years another agitation * also in some sort in opposition to that grant , which , for want of a better name , he should characterise as the Anglican opposition . It was weak in that house , but it was strong in dialecticians and in reasoners ; it was strong among young men , and it was strong in the universities . ' It had been supposed , up to Friday last , that it was represented by his right hon . friend the member for Newark ( Mr , Gladstone ) , It had been supposed also that it had received an

      illustration by his retirement from office ; and there were many who would have been ready to apply to his right hon . friend the words "de civitate decidere maluit guam de sentenlia ; " he retired from power rather than desert his convictions . The . right hon , gentleman had addressed the house upon the present question on Vriday last ; but in that abstract phraseology iu which he had clouded his mysterious divinity . ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) There was only one phrase intelligible to vulgar mortals like him ( Mr . Smythe ); and it was that in which the right hon . gentleman had declared that , notwithstanding his most cherished convictions , he should vote in favour of that measure . It was quite clear , therefore , that his " most cherished convictions" and his vote

      would be at issue . But about a mere vulgar vote the l'ight hon . gentleman probably cared little , as upon that very question he had voted all ways , He had first of all voted against the grant ; he had afterwaVds voted in its favour ; and when the measure involving an increased grant had come to a first reading he had not voted at all ; and now that they had arrived at the second reading of the bill the right hon . gentleman was prepared to vote in favour of it . ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) But was any gentleman quite certain—nay , was the right hon . gentleman himself quite certain , that on the third reading he should not find equaUy good reasons for voting against the measure ? ( Renewed laughter . ) With regard to the right honourable gentleman ' s " most cherished convictions" he should-be permitted to say one word ; and that

      was that those " convictions" were not " cherished" by himself alone , butthatthey were " cherished" by many converts whom he himself had made , and by many fanatics whose reason his eloquence had helped to fascinate . And what was their position % What was the principle laid down by them ? It was an old enemy with a new face . It was the worst principle of absolutism disguised in the worst language of the Jesuits ; it was . the principle of Alva in the language of Escobar , It begun in the fiction that because the State had ence pledged itself to one particular system , it was bound to perpetuate that system , and to exclude all others for all times . Now , if that were true , it should be universally true ; and if that principle had prevailed in this country , they would at tlds moment have the Ptolemaic system foUowed in their

      observatory , and Sir Isaac Newton would not only be known , as the right hon . gentleman might be known , as a crotchetty theologian , but a capital Master of the Mint . ( Much laughter . ) But if that principle began in fiction , it ended in pains and penalties ; if it began in sophistry , it ended iu persecution . It was , in one word , the old , vicious , cruel , and effete principle of uniformity . ( Hear , hear . ) And whether the right hon . gentleman argued against or in favour of that principle , it appeared to him ( Mr . Smythe ) that his position was equally untenable . The right hon . gentleman the First Lord of the Treasury had supported the introduction of his measure by what the hon , member for the University of Dublin had called " the colonial argument ; " and he ( Mr . Smythe ) should certainly say , that as Presbyterianism had been for the

      last 150 years endowed in Scotland , as Presbyterianism had been paid in Ireland , and as they had adopted the principle of toleration in the vast peninsula of India , they might find in the general policy of this country a sufficient answer to any attempt to introduce the principle of uniformity at the present day . But the right hon . gentleman , or rather the right hon . author , had a vision of his own ; he had been dazzled by the recollection of eleven years , when , to use his own phraseology , " the Church had exclusive possession of the precincts of Parliament" And when did the house suppose had that time been ? Had it been in the reign of Elizabeth ? or in the reign of Anne f or iu the reign of that Consul Plancus , King George the Third 1 Or had it been in the reign of Charles the Second—that

      was to say , at the period when England had been the minion of France , an d > hen Ireland had been treated as a conquest , and when an energetic member of the very energetic famil y of Graham ( a laugh ) was sabreing the Cameromans and dragooning Scotland into episcopacy ? Which of these periods , he would ask , offered the anni mirabxks of tbe right lion , gentleman ? In reply to the arguments of the right hon . gentleman , he would fain address him in the language which had been made use of by a great minister to a great theologian and author . Colbert had said to Bossuet , when the latter had been urging those arguments which eventually led to the revocation of the edict of Nantes , " All this belongs to your conscience of the Sorbonne ; there is another conscience within you , let that speak . " ( Hear , hear . ) He would say to the right hon . gentleman , " All this belongs to your conscience of Oxford ; there is another conscience

      within you , let that speak . " It would tell him to put things before him more broadly and more to the purpose ; it would tell him that an ardent aud susceptible people , ' whose alliance with their priesthood had been solemnised in the midst of tribulation and misfortune , was not to be divorced from them on the first dawn of a happier day . Not open violence—not the vicious perfection of the law , not arms bills , not coercion bUls , not laws of mortmain , by which they had been harassed , not ci-pres constructions by which they had been robbed—not one of these things had been able to put asunder those whom persecution . had joined together . Those also would fail with all their euphuism , who hoped to disarm the Irish priest by making him a gentleman . A gentleman ; that is , something more of the abbe and something less of the cure—something more of the chaplain and something less of the priest—somebody who would look more to the patron , and care less for tho poor : in a

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      word , a man of the world , but . not of the « fcxt ( Hear , and laughter . ) TlmdeSign '; # «) uij .: , i ; ti , i if it Should succeed , he pitied their ' abdrt-si ghtuiiness' n ' had himself seen the prelacy of Ireland in a day 0 f » ' solemnity atMaynooth—plain men , poor men ; a „ f ' | same euphuism might perhaps have branded ' them vulgar men , without that splendour and array for ivw the Church of Rome had been so much reprobated v pomp ; no representation ; but he was wrong ; there v a representation not ft so many thousands a year , b „ , as so many millions Jlsouls . It is these men ( conti , the hon . memberifwhom the right hon . baronet lias m , his friends . They-will remember that , notwithsta n r a powerful opposition , the right hon . baronet brought f " ' ward a measure of conciliation without restrict ; ( Cheers . ) In that , hour of emergency and crisis w-v those who look at nations , and not at cabinet ., k 10 ft

      / idtlllAt ha flu , rliotont i- H , o 4- K »„ -n « ' KI cannot be far distant—in that hour of emergency crisis , when your entente cordiale with France will i » ni it surely will , you irill have an entente cordiale u ^ Ireland , to supply its place . ( Loud cheers . ) iu „ , „ . ?* the right hon . baronet , when he shall be called to r ik round him the energies of this mighty empj re _ f fa ? alone , notwithstanding all this temporary clamour presents those requirements which such a Crisis durn ' a ( renewed cheers)—when he shall be called on to rail round him the energies of this mighty empire , he will li ^ able to adopt to the enemies of England , be they at W , T ingkon , or be they at Paris , the solemn and beautiful la guage of the noble lord the member for the City of Loudo "' " Our Queen reigns over a united people . " ( The ho "' member resumed his seat amidst- loud and genera ! ehpi . « . ing , which lasted for some minutes , )

      Mr . Redington- also supported the bill , giving as Irish Catholic , every credit to Sir R . Peel for the Iju " j course he was about to adopt towards Maynooth , Mr , C . Bbuce then moved the adjournment of the * , bate , " ' Colonel Sibthrop , who rose at the same time , imm » . diately resumed his seat amid loud cries for him to proceed Colonel Sibthobp ( with much emphasis ) . —I shall not speak upon this question except in the presence of the hon . and learned member for Cork ( Serjeant Murphv . ) ( Laughter . ) The debate was then adjourned . The Auction Duties Repeal Bill , and the Sugar BiU , were read a third time and passed . The Other orders of the day were then disposed of , aui the house adjourned at half-past twelve o ' clock .

      Thursday , April 17 . THE MiVNOOTH CRAKT . Colonel Sibthobp moved that there be laid before this house a return of the numbers of petitions that have owa presented for and against the present proposal on the part of her Majesty ' s Government , of an increased grant out of the Consolidated Pund " to the College of Maynooth in Ireland , with the number of signatures anne « 4 thereto . - Mr . Thobnlev said , that on Tuesday last the Committee made its last report , and the number of petitions up to that date presented against the Maynooth grant were G 71 to which there were attached 88 , 378 signatures . A fur ' ther report would be made at a proper period , but it would be perfectly impracticable to comply with the hon . and gallant member ' s mot ion before that tiuio arrived . Colonel Sibthokf . —' What can't be done can't be dons , ( Laughter . ) The hon . and gallant officer then withdrew his motion .

      CALICO PRINT WOBKS BUL . LordAsHLEV , on going into Committee on the CalitoPrint Works Bill , moved that it be an instruction to the Com . mittee , that they have power to extend the provisions oi the bill to the regulation of the labour of young persons and women , and to all print works , and to the processes incidental to the labour in print works . —Agreed to . The bill was then re-committed to Wednesday next , and ordered to be printed .

      THE ADJODBNED DEBATE was opened by Mr . Bruce , who opposed the bill . Britain had prospered by her adherence to Protestantism , and would suffer if she abandoned her religious principles , With regard to the argument that the present measure was necessary to carry out the implied faith of the Act of Union , and the spirit of the Emancipation Act , he must say that he did not think the endowment of the Catholic Church was part of either . The grant to Maynooth by the Irish Parliament was a measure for the removal o ( civil disabilities ; but it would be absurd to say that the present measure could be looked upon in that light , lie thought that the Irish Parliament were wrong in passing that measure ; but their conduct would be much worse , and they would be more guilty , by agreeing to the present measure , for it was of a much graver and more serious character .

      Sir George Gbev supported the motion , and con . sidereditthc first great step in the road of conciliation . He was much gratified to witness the leaders on both sides of the house joining together and admitting the policy and propriety of passing the present measure , It would no doubt lead to a better state of tilings in Ireland , and tend to the developemcnt of a more liberal Christian feeling between religious parties . Hitherto the Roman Catholics had been unfairly treated , At the time of the Reformation their property had been seized on and appropriated to the support of another religion that was established in opposition to the great mass of the people . The Hindoos and Mahometans in the eastern possessions Of the empire had been much better treated , in regard to religious matters , than the people of Ireland . Col . Sibthobp wished the indulgence of the house while he offered a few words on this most important subject . He would support the amendment of the hon . mem . ber for Newcastle ( Mr . Colquhoun ) , Quotations had

      been made in reference to him , from the hook of Mr . Grant the other eveuing by the hon . and learned member for Cork ( Mr . Serjeant Murphy ) , which , in his opinion , were most unbecoming aud out of place , on so grave » subject as the one under the consideration of the house . Henevet saw so much levity displayed on a great ques . tion , as that exhibited by the hon . member . Ho ( Col , Sibthorp ) never made a merry Andrew of himself , as that gentleman had most certainly done , on the oceasioa alluded to . ( Great laughter . ) He never would support any man in such a measure as that now proposed ; anil though the hon . and learned member for Cork had told him that ho would sooner sacrifice his principles than be shaved , he told that lion , and learned gentleman that he would rather not only be shaved , but have his head sliaved off , than forget lie was a Protestant , or the faith in ivliich he was educated . ( Great laughter . ) He would give all the opposition in his power to the Government , in such a measure as the present .

      Mr . B-ACKSTONE delivered himself very strongly against the bill . Mr . RiCE would support the measure , because it ivould tend to the education and enlightenment of the Boman Catholic priesthood ; thus enabling them to exercise a healthy moral influence over the Irish people , and tend to the cementing of the union between the two countries . Mr . PncMrTRE sa \ 4 the interests of vcligwn vj « t deeply involved in the present question . If they were not so involved he , for one , should take very little interest in the subject It was because the Protestant religion was threatened by the bill introduced by her Majesty ' s Government , that he resolved to give it his most decided opposition . The endowment of Maynooth was but the prelude to the general endowment of the Roman Catholic religion .

      Mr . Tbelawhev was opposed to all church endowments whatever , but he thought there were exception ! in the case of Maynooth , and peculiar circumstanues ij > regard to Ireland , that should be considered in estimating of the present measure . On these grounds ht should support the motion . Lord Coubtnet supported the measure because he thought it would tend to the spiritual elevation of th * people of Ireland , and also tend to the temporal improvement of that country . Mr . W . Martin , Mr . Morgan Tute , and Mr , Catefft briefly expressed themselves in favour of the bill . Lord Levisok supported the measure . Mr . Spooner spoke at considerable length against uV bill . As the representative of a large community who were much opposed to the grant to Maynooth , he should most certainly vote against it .

      Sir J . Gbaham said he had never objected to any proposition for tho endowment of the Roman Catholics « Ireland , and he now supported the bill , { after the mort serious and mature deliberation . After great deliberation in 1795 , the College of Maynooth was establish The principle was then conceded , and the present i » 5-sure was only an extension of it He could not agt « with the hon . member for Birmingham , that the Roman Catholic religion was an awful delusion , though there might be errors connected with it . The object oi ft * measure was to elevate the standard of education anlOBg the priesthood ; and he had the strongest feeling that tf . it was adopted , the part injurious would he forgotten and it would be the harbinger of more peaceful and happier days .

      Mr . Maclean opposed the measure at some length , on the ground that it was a violation of the constitution ! and would prove inimical to the Protestant relig ion . He regretted that on a former occasion he said that "c » " " cession had reached its limits , " and now begged to w " ' draw the offensive expression . The debate was then adjourned . The orders of the day were then disposed of , ^ i » hs house rose at half past twelve o ' clock .

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      ai Printed by DOUGAL M'GOWAN , of 17 , Great Windoun

      Street, Haymarket, In The City Of Westmi...

      street , Haymarket , in the City of Westminster , "" Office in the same Street and Parish , for the t > prietor , FEARGUS O'CONNOR , Esq ., and published M Wixliam Hewitt , of No . 18 , Charles-street , Brandon street , Walworth ,- ' in the Pariah of St . Mary , Ne * " * ton , in the County of Surrey , at the Office , No . # *• Strand , in tho Parish of St , MaryJe-Strand , in the City of Westminster ' Saturday , April 19 , 1845 .

  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), April 19, 1845, page 8, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/ns2_19041845/page/8/