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      £Mgeriai F Aritamenu

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      [ . jj M 0 ND 4 Y . Aran . 10 . iS Gilil PE 235 STWT 10 S Vf FATOUE OF TBB i "J | CHAETEE , r gOBSE OF LORDS . —In answer to a question from l ^ j VE lIsioa isof Noethaxptok , which was quits inau-I'liitle in ' be gallery- , . 10 ijjj 8 iiarquts of Irawroswiti said , be believed thera j- § e B ow no reasoa for the alarm which certain proceed . s-ff to ; , announced to take place to-day had created . Tbe ^|| .. u nited meeting on Eenningfon Common had & ti ' : n dVpersed by the police without tie appearance of a 'JlfiEg k « "Hier—that dispersion had been effected without ASjjioodsbed , without difficulty , and under circumstances [ ii « tieh rendered its re-union and re-organisation ia the

      ijtjifbest decree improbable . ( Hear , hear . ) " so pegs ion which had keen so unnecessarily made the subj ot fli-cf a proseediag of this kind , and occasioned so much f | l alarm and consternation , had been brought in the qolet-13 « t manner across oae of the triages In a Vehicle for 1 | jjj- purpose , and taken to the other bouse of parliament , g | s 0 obstruction having been received in it * progress , JS -ijjcn was an alditional satisfaction to bim , inasmuch % ' ] je bop--d th- ^ right < . f her M-j ^ ty ' * SubjeCU tO petl-S tioa , f 0 nl * i at 6 l 1 £ iEiesbe frscly admitted and ex-rclied , -9 whsa it was d « ne in a constitutional maaaer . { Hear ,

      S LoVa BstiCQaAK eatirelj agreed who . the noble raar-? I c"i » * ' il was raost ' P ' int oa every cesasion , for f ^ . p e of the country , the liberty of the tnbject , and "f thl ttCUt- ty of the crown , thatthe right of pethlon should ' . ? .. i « inietferred with unlets it were absolutely ueeet-> = -T ? ( Hear , hear . ) The same « bserration would * pply £ ' j jj ' g rij . at of mating for tba purpose of discussion ; S I , — jt was essential to its existence as a matter of right

      J li-ment . ( Soar , ear . ) penple 1 a tiK ht to , iota display offeree they only could have a - ht t 0 Wfcen tbat fores wis wielded by tbe govern-I W un « tv xb = parlUia ^ hl of the country , ( rfrar , ) ¦ i The monster meetings in England and Ireland were eA . - '¦ . teatialK illegal—tbey Were mere exhibitions of physical ^ l ^ e ^ cdcoul ' . not , by any perversion of laaguage , bepre-£ t ^ iei * - » ba meetings ftrih it wbich became impossible . L- ^ <; i < cassi « n , where no onecoold be beard , and where : ¦ c ' o one , he mi . i ? b , t be permitted to say . even dreamt of 1-. fpE 1 kinzI butwlitr 6 all , iftheydidu « tdrt » m of acting , plsctd ' i themselves in a position in which they might be I driven , befjre they fcusw it , to illegal courses . ( Hear . ) I This wse the opinion of thR late Irird P . unkett and Lord

      J ibiogtr , as well a » of himself , with reference to a great j jaeetice i « i Manchester , in September , 1819—tbey all I tiicash : thst by tbe law of this land that mof-ting was I illegal , and this was ons of a similar casracter . ( Cheers . ) t ThsDake of Wemiscton bopedtho noble and learned ~ lora '* oi . ini . in was foundeu oa the l * w of the country as * itrc sllyfiisted . No people bad inffered more than the inhabitants of the metropolis within the last two or tirre c-ijs from this threatvRed meeting of two hundred ¦ tboasaiii people . Ail the citizenthad been places under arms—asl trade , commerce , and occupation of erery description , had been partialiy suspended , every in ^ ivifi ^ ial biiv . g ohligedto Ssefc the safety of himself and his neijhb . mr , as well as the security of tbeir property . To fc 5 exposed to such inconveniencB as they had b » es tkat e ! sy for the third or fourth time in this short session of pwliatnent—once before on Kennington Common—wta ind eed a matter of serious consideration . ( Hear , hesr . )

      He trusted by the feili kow pending in pirilimpnt , or other measures , the law would be so explained and undttstOB ^ . ttat meetings might ba limited to such nasi . bsrs £ * cftuld consistently discuss * qaestjon , or hear it discuifd —( hear , bear)—and thj » t tbe ra * rcbants and Others in tSis great metrrpoHs— the mart of tradasnd CirCit—mi ^ ht n » t be alsriaed , week after week , by such traL- « aeiion . « asbad keengoiugon witbinthelsstfeirday * . He hoped it wou ' -d no longer fee in the pow-. r of any men tocencert he mould not ssycosspire—to hold such meetings which necessarily put thepeopleuB ^ tr arms . andtook tSem away from their business . ( Hear , hear . ) The neeting tbat dny bad been dispersed entirely by tbe efforts of thepslice , aud & ltboKghhehsd been in readi cess vith the troops , togite eTsry possible support to tbem , if required , for thepresertation of ths peace of the city , stid the msintenasca of the law of the country , not a single soldier had bsen seen . ( Cheers . )

      Tae If ^ r ^ iia ef XosMaHMqK CSSdB S 0 K 18 Oh . servatiou" in a low tone of voice , nnd added rath ' t mora audibly , that he wishtd to express tbe gratitude of their Iorftbips for the noble conduct of the people of London os the present oacaiisn . Thospiritof order and attech ment to tho English constitution—of religion aud Eeridity erkifeited by the middle classes—would IoBg be rtci-inhered . ( He » r ) The iJirq lis oi LiSiDQWHE had great pleasure in con . firminz the statement * of the coble marquis , that beyond tSe conduct of the police and the readiness of the military to act if sesessary , under she noble duke , the go

      Terr . u ' . ent bad nceived th » most decisive evidence of the « al of every elais of the community in all pans of London , thronthout whfch there had been but oae eBinlatioB , asmrlr , which should rendtr the most service and make the greatest sscrince . ( Hear , hear . ) If there was enjtling which had imparted to ber Majesty ' s government that degree of confidence whica was nece * - Siry to enable tin m to ECt as they had dour , it was the csrtainty which they had at quiridwiUin the Isst eight and forty hours that , if they bad . ecc » sion to call oa anv fart of the cmtauoity for support , it weald be resdily afforded . ( Hear , hew , }

      Lord Bz judsas made a feir obsarvilioss , which were jasndible . TheilarqiisofLasDOSDEJXT hopsd the government would p « y particular attention t » the conduct ef certain foreigner * in Loadon , who , he understood , were incitiBg the people to ac-s of violence . ( Hear , hear . ) Their lordships then adjourned st a quarter before Sis o clock . HOUSE OF C 0 UH 0 X 5 . — The Speak * took ti » cb air at five minutes to four o ' clock . On entering tbe house , tbe oVjtct that attracted uni-Tersal notice wag the inon * ter petitUts , which lay On the floor , clote to the table , in five large masses of papsr . There were about 300 members present when the gel-2 ery t . « p op . ne < 3 , snd bj four o'clock that number bad increased « o abont 400 . The only cabinet ministers present at tbe time were . Lord Morpeth and Sir J . C . Hobhous ^ .

      Mr F . O'Connor occapi ed £ is n » nal seat on tho Opposition side of the house , and after couYersiPg for » few minutes with C lonel Thompson and other member * , crossed the Star and shook iand * with Lord 21 . Hill . Sir Robert Peei was oae of the members who arrived « rly . Captain Picasiz presented s petition from a large nuinbsr of the electors of Brighton , who bad availed themselves of the constitutions ! privilege of submitting its consideration o ? their politic *! righll , trusting tilt J wooli receive that degree of attention which their

      importance demanded froai the guardians of the civil , foeiil and religious rights of the people . The petitioners Haiti that tie jtriat es 3 of all go » 3 ? D . s » ntil institution * should be the prot-ction of lite , the security of proparty , the promouon of education aud morality , and the diffusion of happiness amoag alt classes . ( Hear , hear . ) Tbey theref-jre . prayed th » t the bouse would make sueh reforms in tbe representative system as to secure to the whole people a full , free , aud fair representation , in accc-rJance with the urgency of the times and the wants and wishes ot the people .

      THE CHABTEB . Kr ? . O'CosKoa . —I rise , Sir , to present a petition , -si gned bj 5 . 700 000 ptisous ; alto another pttitton signed by about SI , GOO , which it not appended to tbat larga muster-roll nhirh . is now lyieg on ibe floor of tbe house . ¦ T he petitioners pray for AnnufillPiriiamenti , TJniTergal -Suffrage , Tote by Ballot , Equal Elf cioral Districts , So Property Qaalificatioa , and the Payment of Members ; and I beg , irora ibe ciumsy I have already received from tke home , to is ; no more now than to submit tk * l tfce first petition ba read at length by the clerk . The petition was then ordered to be brought up , and the simple sheet , containing the petition without the signatures , was brought up and reed by the clerk at the table .

      lord Mosjcth . —I viish < o state , on the part of my right hon . friehd the Secretary for the Home Department , that he would have been in kia place at this moment " bat that he has been much occupied by the neeesearybn . lness of lis c ' epirtKent this . morning * . I am sure I may say for him , that whatever may ce bi » senritaents on the actual prayer of the petition , he would not wish to appear wanting in reeprct to this or any other petition sotted by a UigS body of Ws fcllow-subjectt . ( Cheers . ) The monster pstition was then railed out ef the house by themesieBs-ers . Kr Bkioht presented a pstition agreed to by the delegates of Manchester , repteseurlag 6 . 000 persons , praying for the sir paints of the Charter referred to in the largo petition - sdsofor the abolition of tho Isw of Batiil « nd Primogeniture—( crits of 'Oh 2 ' and langbtvi ) —for a limitation of the bours of labour , and for the establishm ; 8 t of locsl boards for the regulation of tie wages of

      Srsde . ( Hear , bear ) THBCHiaita —MrC . EcsEHTGTosgave notice tbat on Trilaj next , ib . e day appointed for the discussion of tfis -petition of Ike propla for tbo Cbarttr , he should ask the noble lord the Fr « Lord cf the Treasury ibe following ¦ auestiens : — 'Wbetktrhe could bold out any distincthope ^ iat be would during- the present session introduce & r Support a m"aiura far the Extension ef tbe Suffrage—< cheeri and laughter)—for the abridgment of the duration of Pjiliamtnts , for the formation of Electoral Dieirists , and for rte Vote by Ballot' ( Laughter . ) CsoWK AKD GoV £ SSXESt SECCSITI Blit . —Tbe Clerk fiaviuj : read the or ^ tref the day , Sir G . GMI mOTCu the second reeding of this bill .

      Hr S , O Bsiee : I do not rise , fir , for the purpose of entering at any leogth lato the detail * fif Ikil bill . 1 care very little aboutthete detail *; but I sea in this bill aaew etcempt tomaettbeclaitasoflrelend by coercion rather than by coaeestions— (* Oh , ok ! ' end IsughUr . ) vtA itis because I «*« 4 tt in that point Of TtiW , mi not eawoanatvfitt tecbniwIferastiSB , UislI & a & 8 » »

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      oppose it . ¥ csa imhtc this fcowo ia all iolemultj that I feel tkls attempt you are making to coercs the people of Ireland wtlPba-utterly ineffectual , aad that they will laugh at your attempt to indict tbe wfcole nation for high treason . ( IronicBlobeers . ) But , b * that aait may , I hava a duty to perform , aad from tho performance of that duty I shall not tbrfn * . ( L » ughr » r . ) In I 8 is , before I joined the E & peal Association , I felt it my duty to make a last appeal to-this house , asking tbem for what was then called j-istlceto Ireland ; tbat is , a series of useful measures , calculated to £ lve satisfaction to the Irish people , consistent with the maintenance of the union between the two countries . You refused that appeal an appeal m * de not only by so bumble an individual as myself , but by a very considerable part of that

      nation of which I am ons of tha representatives . You have now an opportunity of meeting the demands of that oatlou by yielding to their claim for a separate legislature , for self-government under the ancient constitution ef Ireland , consisting of the Qaten , Lords , and Commons ef that nation ; and I am here to say lo-nigbt tbat I tincerelj believe , if you refuse that claim during the present year , you will have to encounter tbe establishment of a republic in Ireland . ( Loud cries of'Oh , oh !' and ircsical cheer * . ) tTalika all othar governraeats in Ireland , the libi-rnl government of England , instead of attempting ; to pacify the country witb which I am connected by kindly concessions , mset their demands by a coercion law—( hear , Uear)—and that at this momen ' - when jour Foreign Minister is giving hi * coantenance to the iff irts

      of every other people to redeett themselves from larvi tude . I eay shere is no better parallel for the condition of Irelaud in her relation to England than that of Sicily to IfaplBg ; but tho noble lord the Secretary for Foreign Affiirg thinks that Sicily i » perfectly right in throwing off the yoka of Ifap ' -e * ; and yet , in my absence , hon . gentlemen have brought charges against rat !—if they h » v « charges against ma let them make tketa tonight —( ht-ar , hear )—bat tbey have brought chargre ng » io « t me as an Individual , and against tbe p » riy with whom I act . ( Hear , hear . ) I am here to answer thosa charges both / or tkat party and myself , and I may say tiis—with respeet to wy nob ' e companions iu the noble struggle —( ironical cketrs and great Isagbter )—fcr the independence of onr native land— ( rsnewed cheer *)—baring for SO

      years had the opportunity of seeing the most dis . ticguithed men of » H parties In this homo , ntvir have I met with a number of men acting for a grrat political ofcject that appeared to me at least to ba actuated by such pure and disinterested motives as ttoi * with who *» it is my iride to act . ( Roars of laughter , nnd ironical ch » eriag . ) Now , with resptct to mys » lf , I have b .-en called a trailer , ( Treisendeus ironical che » risg , which continued for some minutes , and was again ana again renewed . ) I shall not profess disloyalty to the <> ieen Of England f groans ); but if it be treason to profess disloyalty to this bou * r—to the government of Irel nd by the parliament of Great Britain ; it tb-t be treason , I avow it . ( Loud crbg Of 'Oh , ohl ' enters , and laughter ) Nay , mow ; I say it shall be the

      study of my life to overthrow tbe domination of this pa'liamen > in Ireland ( laughter ); and I take upon myself to cball-age any man to contradict my statement , that in this house no man stands higher iu regard to his pubJJe chsrscter fbaa J do ( Roara ef laughter . ) I am perfectly canseioas that there areraesy in this house infinitely my superiors in talent ; but since I have had a seat bere as representative for Limerick I hare never given any vote ia this house from any other object tbat an honest aid a sincere desire to promote the public welfare , ( Hear . ) I challenge any one to point cut any vote given by ma from any other consideration . And I tell the house mf-re . Sow , that I am to be srraigaed ae a criminal , I should gladly accept the most ignominious death that coald be inflicted upoa me —( reoewtd and

      long-continued laughter)—rather than witness tba indignities that havo been inflicted by this legislature upon my countrymen during" the next thirty years of my life—( a laugh }—I mean the last thirty ye « rs . ( Laogbt-r . ) It has been stated that I went to France for tbe purpose of soliciting foreign aid ( hear hear ) ; that is te say , STmEn succour on behalf of my country in tka struggle in which they are engaged . This it a roirapprehension . ( 'Hear , 'and a laugh . ) If I had gone to seek farcies aid of an armed kind , believe ms I should have come V » ck accompanied by a tolerably large legion of troops . (* Oa , obi' aad great- laughter , ) I wi » h that you had been Ia France . ( Continued laughter . ) Wl-. y . air , the language tkat I have held in Ireland and in Franca to tny conatrymett has beea this , that Irish

      freedom mast ba woa by Irish eonraga end Irisk firmness . I have no desire to impose upon my cenntry on * description of servitude ia place of aaothtr . ( Hear , beat . )\ | I believe that if the liberty of Ireland were to Be . won , or at least its redemption wire to ba won by f > relgn bayonets , it conld only be maintained in that poti-inn by foreign bayonets , aad it is not my desire or inttntionto place ray couniry midertha laflusnca of foreign bayeneta . ( Hear , hear ) The hon . member then proceeded to avow that he went to Paris to congratulate the provisional government , and through thera France , on tbe overthrow of a tyranny which had forfeited all claim to the possession of the throne of France . He went therefor the purpose of congratulating the French nation on having shown the nations of tbe world—ard tbe

      eranphalready had not been wicbont its effect—bows nation might effect its deliverance , displaying a spirit of independence which , be trusted , would react on his own country . He had Tin hesitation In avowing that he found OB IDS part of the French people a Ytrj great amount »! in' -ense feeling towards Irelane . He was glad tbat suib a feeling existed , and it would bs the business of himivlf and thosa with whom be acted to encourage that sym-? afty , which was not confined to Franco alone , for be believed that every uation , every enlightened man , and every statesman in the civilLted world regarded the condition of England , is referenca to Ireland , as entlr * ly analogous to that ef Russia in reference to Poland , Br did not reject the sympathy of aafians so offend . Ha

      was happy to think tbat there was in this country , among the middle and auaibler classes , a very large amount of sympathy far Ireland , and a desire that Irish , men should acquire the power they sought . Though he did not agree in all the points of tka Charter , he was happy to say that among the Chartists , the 5 , 500 , 000 who signed the petition to the house , there was scarcely : n individual who did not sympathise with tke cause of the Irish . ( 'Hear , ' from HrFeargus O'Connor . ) He trusted tbat they would acquire political power for thnnselves , and they knew perfectly Well that tbey could do so at no time with a greater prospect of success than when England was embarrassed in its relations with Ireland . Therefore be tru * ted that the Irish WOUlfl receive that aid Which the Chartists—whether

      from sympathy or political expediency—oSVrert teem . He avowed tbe sentiment tbat he bad been instrumental in s ; king bis conatrjtnsn to arm themselves , tinder the present circumstances of all countries in Europe it was the duty of every person to obtain tbe pOBietfinn of arms . There was net a nation in Europe wh ' cb did not make it part of its duty to instruct its citizens in tbe nse of arms , end it was ths peculiar duty of the Irlib people to obtain tbe possession and the use of arms at the time whea the gorernamt told tbem that tbey were prepared to crush the expression of opinion , not by argument , but by brute fotce . If this were guilt , be avowed it . He advised this as much for pfetajf Inff Order US for SC « quiring liberty . ( ' Ob , ohl' ) Let him remind hon . gentlemen of what took place in 17 S 2 . It was no crime far

      a pe -plo to enlist themselves m rrmed array in resistanes to foreign foes ' , and in protection of their own liberty . It was fey such armed array tbat tbe Irish ob . tained . that legislative independence which Englacd accorded to it . by a compact which England subsequently perfidiously violated . In order to shew the feeliags and Intentions of the body with which be acted , be read a resolution passed at a late meeting of the Irish Confede . ration , which was to the following iffe » t : —that the Confederation repudiated , as a gross calumny , tho imputation thrown an them by Lord John Russell , that tbe otj ? ctof tke Con f ederation was social disorder , and the violent separation from Great Britain ; the aim having at way a been tha legislative indepeudtnee of Ireland , and thereby the attainment of social order , and that they

      desired tbat Each independence should be attained , if possible , without civil war , ( Laughter . ) If it were guilt to counsel his fellow-countrymen to send to th » metropolis oi Ireland , a national council , virtually representing tfcecoantry—he cared sot whether by election or by such nomination as would give effect to the senti . meats of the p ^ opls , composed of 300 individuals , they were acting on tha sngg & stios thrown out by tha late illustrloua leader of the Iri « h people , Mr O'Connril , and » uch a step became necessary , because the Irish mtmbera in parliament—he wished to speak with respect of them —did not constitute a full aud great exponent ef tha nation ' s feelings . Tbey represented onl y one Irishman in one hundred , and formed , therefore , not a true representition of the country . Therefore it eras proposed to

      eend to the metropolis of Irelaad a body to represent the country , aad with that body he would recommend the noble lord to enter into earl y negotiations for the purpose of effecting aa amicable eettlemeut of tbe question * now at issue between tbe two countries . ( Laughter . ) He was quita prepared , when he came to that house to-day , to be met by t ese insulting saeers ; but they had ho effect on him . He felt tbat the Iri . h would eventuall y succeed in their efforts , aad tbat was net a fit subject for ridicu ' e . The only thin ? against them was precipitation , If any portion of tbe Irish Repealers should lend thennelves to the designs of the government by any overt act of violecce , though eventually they would obtain the emancipation of their country , yet that would retard it . On whom did the government rely ? A quel , tion had been asked tbe other nigbt about tbe manufacture o ; p ikes , and tke noble lord at the head of the government appeared to rely on a detective police , and on

      rata whose princip le it was to allure men into crime for the purpose of betraying tbem . Tbe noble lori also reliea on packed juries . If tha noble lord relied on a free jury it would be impossible for him to get a verdict . ( Laughter . ) The noble lord was runnings considerable risk in the prosecutions which tbe government contemplated . If the noble lord failed , thepresliye and inflaence of tbe government were overthrown , aad be would fail if there should bs one independsnt juror out of the twelve . ( Laughter . ) But if tbe noble lord should succeed , what would ho effrct ? The noble lord knew the spirit abroad ; and , for every person convicted , there woul J be found S 3 , 109 , or 1 , 000 , who would consider it no disgrace to ba so convicted to serve their country . A eeclaratios to the Lord Lieutenant , with 283 , 000 signatures to It , had been spoken ofj but the names of the parties signing it were not Jmawn ; and it K » by active solicitation that many had bsea induced ta declare unqualified confidence lu the BOTernmtn . ' tA If ever thera anculrl ui a conflisl ia inlsccU a « goHiavtBt

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      conld > I & c & ct > 'Fel { antra oa thtoe . fesrtJjs of tbe Irish , There w * a a » time- whoa the aritfcseracy could effect something to Ireland ? sut they he * ss > t that power now , which Lord-ClanrleaTde would !» o < 9 if be called on tba Do Burghs to-folbiw him . Neither did he think ' tbat tbe Duke oftTJelnsfre ? could get a siaglte partisan out of his own faaii ! y or-that ) any man would ! follow lord Ormonde in Kilkenny ,, though one of tbe moat amiable men in Ireland . The noble lord at thread of tbe government must kinjwthat looking to tha-gentry of Ireland for anything like esapcrt in a national struggle was relying on a faliaciousthope . Ia case these mat . tere should be sett ' ed by a-resort to the last ex'ramity , — . which he ( UrO'Briea ) -earnestly and ardeatly depre . cated , —the Irish gentry would be glnd- to compound

      with the dominent party for Basing their estates . There , fore the government coa ' . d place no reliance on them . Neither conld the government rely on the Orangemen , a body of conwderaV-le estncale BtrsBgth for .,, by . the bill of the hon . member for Brogbeda ( Sir V ?' . Somervllle ) , the government was about to deprive' tbem of their te . nant-right . Among the Orangemen of the aorlh of Ire . land there usisted a great deal of tho spirit of tbe United Irishmen . He most ardently desired that the Orange , men should arm—that any portion of Irishmen should obtain power to enforce their right . The government relied neit on tbe police force , It was- 20 , 090 m- a strong ; a fine boiy , but entirely national . They were taken from the people , and were excellent fcr the pre . servation of order ; but iff it came to a great national

      Struggle , the policemen in Ireland would be toa happy to obta'n future reward and renown , if they were to act as tbe saviours of their country . ( Laughter . ) The government next relied on the army . The army at the p resent moment was an Insignificant fraction of tho whole nation . During-the rebellion , lE & OflO armed troops were occupied ia maintaining tho possession of two or three counties in Irel-md ; and if it came to a struggle , whieh God forbid , tbe 28 , 600 froop & in Ireland would not present any serious obstacU in the way of the Irish people . Ir land was divided into small fields , which made it diSeult for cavalry aud artillery to act . Therefore the government had no just ground to place reliance on mere physical fores . But he honestly believed that the government could not rely on the army

      iu Ireland . ( Loud cries of ' Oh V ) lie was persuaded that if there should be a sfugsle to-morrew , a y . ry large portion of tbe array of Ireland would refuse te act against the people of Ireland . ( Cries of' Oh , oh !') Ha knew not the meaning of liberty of speech , if he were not allowed to speak on these sutjects . He would Stato wbat bad been the ofcject of bis argument . He need not say that be treated ni ' . huttir disdain the attemp's < f the government to put him down by prose . cu > ioa . ( Laughter . ) But the object of big argument had bten to show that if ever those two great coun . tries , England and Ireland , should come into collision , tbe result of such collision was exceedingly uncertain -. ( ' Ob , ob ! ' }—and ceuld not be otherwise than disas irons to England in any case . If England failed , Eur

      land henceforth would stand alone , and it might not be unadvisable to consider wbat would be the condition oi Eng land with an Independent republic on one side and aa Independent republic eu the other , ( Loud leujbter . ) Bnt , if England succeeiJe-i , it might desolate th » country and distress its industry , hut it would still have Ireland a disgrace for itself in the eyes of all mankind . Under those circumstances , b « fore tbope ominous words 'too late' were pronounced , striking the knell of English powtr in Irelaad , he advised the concession to the Irish of those rational riffbts to which they had a claim by every title , human and divinr . He bad used no reserve oa the present occasion ( Liugbtcr . ) Heshouli use no reserve in the end of these observations aa he

      had need none in tbe beginning ; and when the noble lord told him that he ( Mr O'Brien ) was a traitor to the Crowa , he repelled the i harge and retorted it . ( Laughter . ) He told the noble lord that if in the present poMtion of Europe he attempted , as regarded his own fellow-countrymen , to crush all ifforta on the part of tbe democracy of this country to obtain those just rights which the democracy of other countries had obtained ; and if , as regarded his { Mr 0 Britu ' e ) countrymsn , he refused tbeir demand for self government—if tbe noble lord played here the part which Guizot and Metternicb had played ia their respective countries—then he told the noble lord that it was not he ( Mr O'Brien ) bat tbe noble lord and his colleagues that wsre traitors to tbe country and tbe Queen .

      Sir G . Geet then rose , and was greeted with loud cheers . Ho said , —After the long absence of the ) hon . gentleman from this house , upon set ing him to-night rise the moment the sesond reading of the bill now before tbe house was tao-red , I entertained some hopf , albeit ft faint one , tbat Che hon . gmtlemnn had risen to disavow with indignation —( loud cheers)—wi : h the indignation befitting a loyal subject of the Crown—( renewed cheers ) —the most foul Imputations e-jet on his loyalty , not in this bouse , but in every newspaper circulated through , out the realm for some weeks past—to disavow , I say , with that fervent eloquence which characterises bis addresses elsewhere , if not in this bouse— ( a laogb)—the sentiments of disloyalty which have been attributed to to bim , if "from no better feeling , at least by virtue of the

      oath of allegiance which be has repeatedly taken to the Sovereign of this country , ( Loud cheers ) What , then , was , I will not say my astonisi . ment , but my pain and regret—a feeliug , I am sure , shared by every other member of tha bouse—( cheers)—te find the hon . mem ber repeating tha same sentiments in this house , not with tbat boldness asd daring which he assume * elsewhere , but accompanied with a miserable pretence and lip service of allegiance , and with a profusion of a faint shadow of loyalty to tha Crown , and bringing against my noble friend , for defending the constitution of this country , a charge of treason . The bon . g-ntleman had said , th & t ( n his absence , be has been called a traitor ; and bo may therein have alluded to what I felt it my duty to state to the house the other night . For

      his absence I am not accountable—the cause of tbat absence he can best explain . ( Cheers . ) I did not call him a traitor ; but I read to tbe house a psrtloa of the report of a meeting ef the Irish Confederation—namely , the announcement made by Hr Duffy that he bad received a message from tbe hon . gentleman at Paris , in which he east to the winds that discouraging reply—( cheer ? - )—he received from M . Lamartine , who with public virtue refused to encourage designs , be they sedi . tious , or traitorous , or loyal—as tbe hon . gentleman pretends—knowing that if he encouraged such designs he should be violating : he law of nations , and giving a good cause of war to England against France . ( Hear , bear . ) I ask the hon . gentleman whether fee is prepared to dieaVQW the truth 0 < that messacc which Sir Duffy announced as having been sent from Paris by him f

      aud which was to ba the exponent of the sentiment of tbe Fr . nch nation , casting aside tbe language of AI . Lamartine ° ( Cheers . ) I ask the hon . gentleman whether he did say to the Irish club at Paris , ' Bvery new proof of sympathy renders u « more able to serve tha cause of our country . The satisfaction which we fee ) arises , above all , from the fact tbat wo havo found tbat there are at Paris Irishmen who are determined to uaite their efforts to those of tbe Irish people in reconquering tbe national independence . Though we have been in France but a few diys , we have , nevertheless , seen and heard enough to have the COuViCttOQ , that thfl French nation fs deeply moved by » he indignities and sufferings we have endured . We bare seen and heard enough to feal assured tbat , were Ireland to demand assistance , France would be ready to sead 59 , 000 of her bravest citizens to fight with ber for liberty V

      Mr S . BfiiEir . —Will the right hon . gentleman read the next passage ! Sir 6 . Gbet continued— ' We offer to tbe French our sincere thanks for their generous sympathy . That sympathy may be to us , later , a great assistaace ; but ws feel that the liberty of Ireland should ba conquered by tbe energy , the devotion , and tbe courage of her own children . ' The hon . gentleman , knewing the sentiments of M Lamartine , nevertheless writes to Mr Duff / , and saya in effect— ' 'Vfe will , If we can , institute a successful rebellion ; still , if we should be worsted In the struggle , I promise the assistanoa ol SO , 000 Frenchmen . ' ( Hear , hear . ) I did hope tVat the hon . gentleman would have disavowed those attempts eUewhera imputed to him , to seduce the soldiers of this country , the police also , and

      toiasinusce that they nere disaffected to tbe Crown , and that as a body they would rise . ( Htsr , bear . ) I have said that 1 did not call the hoa , gentleman a traitor , but I did read tbat statement made by Mr Duffy to the Irish Confederation . The hon . gentleman draw bis own inferenee . ( Cheers . ) He said I called him a traitor , beeaUBQ I read those sentiments . ( Renewed cheers . ) The house also drew its ioferenoe , and I read tbat isferecce ia unmistakeable language in those cheers which the honourable gentleman received when he said , ' I was called a traitor . ' ( Loud cheers . ) The hon . gfntleman has referred to the feeling of the people of Ireland , but I deny his right to mak * himself tbe exponent of the loyalty of the people of that country . ( Cbeen . ) Tbe hon . gentleman has endeavoured to excite feelings of

      distStctlon to-ulgbt by Introducing hackneyed toplw , and has alluded to a bill , tending , as he says , to with- ; draw a privilege from the Orangemen ot tbe north of I Ireland . Now , I tell tho hon . gentleman tbat a Inrgo , portion of the north of Ireland is inalienably attached to : the Crown and constitution of this country . ( Cheers ) The hon . gentleman may receive such proofs as will con- j vincehim that that portion of the population of Ireland j to which he lias alluded will one and all indignantly ] deny the right ef the hon . gentleman , to be the ex- ! poaent of their fiellngs . ( Cheers . ) The hon . gentle- j man has said tbe Chartists were with him to a man . I . utterly disbelieve that also . ( Hear , hear . ) Beside tbe >] ton . gentleman sits a leader of the Chartists ( Mr F . O 'Connor ) , who on Friday last expressedJeellngs ftllli opinions very diffsrentfrom those of tbe hon . gentleman-,

      declaring himself a friend of the Monarchy . { Hear , hear . ) I believe tbat if any person endeavours to . get foreign assistance and te sedace her Majesty ' s subjeeta from their alleglence , be wiUfind himself miserably dis . appointed , and there will ariss an indignant spirit of resistance against the hon . gautlemav , end against tbe expression which he pretends to give , of tho feelings of the country . ( Hear , hear . ) Tha aon . gentleman has misrepresented the intentionaof th-e government towards Ireland . We have no such feolir . geaa be attributes to us . We desire to see tbe Irish p 0 rtloa of tbe kingdom ^ while indissolubl y connected w . thus , happy , and in tba enjoyment of that oonstitnU' onal libsity whioh is the birthright of evtxy subjtcto ! the Of own . ( Cheers . ) It order to secure those blesslr gs v » e want the real union : of all men—and I rejolca to My that to a great exten weposiest it—in opposus g tn 9 jaiseMevous objecta of tb lm patt ? BR «'» anoy atM ; & aa & % \ ¦» the beat saj V

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      secure the real interest % not ef the Crown and government merely , bat of tbe S « s * body of tao people , ( Lead and repeated cheers . ) Mr F . O ' Connor sai i , as he- had been alluded to , be wished to repeat tl te expression of an opinion which he bad often urg . -A b & lb in and out of that house , viz ., that there wa ? a pfrwer behind the throne —the vaiceol thepeoplt '—wMch ' shouMbe gi eater than the throne itself ; be it if ths-term ' treason' were thrown in the teeth of & : ny honourable member in that house , he begged to a ay - tha * he-had taken the oath of allegiance , and that that -would induce hira to protect her Majesty ' s cro wn eveai against the machinations of he ? Majesty's . government , ( a Jau < jb , )

      He was surprised that the descendant * of tor / l "ft in . Russell should be the man to ferret nut the law of Charles IE ., in order to determine what treason- and sedition were , and be certainly though ^ after the able and constitutional speech of the 2 ionouraMe member for OMharo the other night , i & at the government would have paused before * proceeding further with this bill . He would be the-fifst man to . resist the invasion of a foreign array , ancUhe migSt tell the right honourable baronet that he ^ lad-refused * to urocefd with a deputation to France ; i » ut > if Ireland had been treated with justice , he- asked theright honourable baronet how it was thas so many thousands had died of famine ? He knew the right

      honourable baronet did not like complim 6 nt 8 i . andhe knew how liable ihey were to be mismiwpreted ; but he must say that but for that step wMch , the right hon . gentleman advocated , in spite' of : the whims of sonieof thecoiistituencies , hundre ^ Wthoursands would have perished in Ireland . But were the Irish always to be beggars at Britain ' s door ? - He had that day witnessed a demonstration , aad > thank God , it was a peaceable one . ( Great laughter . ) . Did honourable gentlemen laugh at the idea of a peaceable demonstration ? He rejoiced at it ,, but he would warn the right honourable baronet that if he suppressed the free expression of public opitiioni , he would inevitabl y cause the formation of secret dubs

      and associations . ( Hear , hew . ) When the Gimfe « deration was dissolved in 1839 , two men- went through the north of England and Scotland' establishing secret clubs , with private signals- and modes of communication . He ( Mr O'Connor ) pursued them , however , and drove them out of the country ; and for himself he must say , that he never said or wrote anything of a political character which was not pe'fectly open and patent to the world . He had never allowed the doors of any association to be closed against the press . And now they were going to prosecute the honourable member for Limerick , and if they obtained a conviction from an honest or dishonest jury , their triumph would only be a

      weakness . What he regetted was , that there was no constitutional opposition in the house , The opinion ol this country was wild , because it did not see itself represented in the house by a constitutional opposition : and until it saw that opposition , there would be no bearing on tbe benches opposite . What he wanted was an opposition based on constitutional principles , opposing the government in their attempts to inflict laws of this kind . Was not this bill in infraction of the rights of tbe subject ? He knew of many members who bad voted for the first reading oi this bill from courtesy . He ( Mr O'Connor ) was made of sterner stuff ; and , if he stood alone , he would move that this bill be read a second time Ibis

      day six months . It was monstrous that with a starving multitude not a sing ' e measure was proposed for the amelioration of iheir condition . When tbey asked for reform , they were met by prosecution and persecution . As far as he was individually concerned , without asking for the aid of a foreign power , without secret associations , without anything injurious or unjust , there was not a man in tho country who would go farther to shake off tbe English yoke from the Irish people than he would . Jlany hon , members had adverted to the foreign circumstances now passing around us , hut not one bad lold the house or the country , that in every foreign state where popular freedom had been

      achieved , that a free press and the liberty of speech was the firs ' , because the dearest right contended for . ( Hear , hear . ) While the descendants and successors of Charles Fox , Richmond , and others , were using the opportunity for limiting , or altogether abrogating the very right for which other nations were contending . ( Hear , hear . ) He would characterise tli'S as a base , brutal , and bloody bill , and let them once close the safety valve for the free ex-, pression of public opinion , and the cauldron of corruption would burst around them . Did they hope to resist the mind ' s torrent by coercion in the nineteenth century ? or did they imagine that opinion would be trammelled while the nation was panting for

      lioerty ? This bill was an act of treason against the sovereign , and this was the first instance of a government presuming to attach the odium of its tyranny in its measures to the sovereign , ( Hear , he « r . ) The right hon . bart . bad risen like a veiled prophet to reply to the treason , as * he called it , of the hon . member ior Limerick , but tbe enthusiasm , tbe eloquence , and loyalty of an official , thumping that red box , had no effect upon his ( Mr . O'Connor ' s ) mind , as the true response to ministerial fervour was " Quarter day . " ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) They were fond of precedent in that house , but they rrjected precedent from their political predecessors—from Fox , Richmond , and

      Erskinewhen those precedents were not calculated to aid them in their acts of tyranny , and if there was no modern precedent for this atrocious blow at liberty , some precedent-loving official would take up this bine book , and read as follows : — "Sir , I will now call ibe attention of the house to a precedent coming from no small authority , and one which this house will do well to pause before it rejects , it bears , sir , essentially upon tbe present case ; I quote from the nine thousandth ninehundredth and ninetynintb of Nebuchadnazzor , the King of the Jews , when that monarch required a precisely similar measure to suppress Chartist violence and treason . " ( Laughter . ) Was this the promised fruits from reform ? Was this the realisation of popular hopes and

      Whig liberty } Was this the reward of seven years peace amid pestilence , famine , and death ? Or will this be tolerated , as the mind's extinguisher , by those who are determined to achieve their rights ? He klieff not What may be the feelings of those Irish members who usually followed in the wake of Ministers , but he would again repeat , that he trusted it would spur his countrymen to throw off the Wign yoke altogether . If he stood alone , he would use all the forms of the house to resist the progress of this monster ; he would interrupt its passage by every constitutional form , because it was a violation of the constitution , and if he stood alone and without a seconder , he would now move that it be read a second time that day six months .

      Mr Q . Thompson" expressed his heartfelt gratification that the praceadisgs out of doow to-day had bees characterised by peace and order . ( 'Hear ' and cheers . ) It must be satisfactory to every member pf th » t house that instead of labouring under toe apprehension of conflict out of doors , tbey wore assembled to-nisht in peace and quietness , ( Hear , bear , ) Ha hoped the people would wo that tbe best means of attaining their just rights was by conducting themselves in an orderly and penco . able manner , by avowing any conflict with tVo authorities , and by abstaining from any violence to persons or property . ( Hear . ) With regard to the bill now before { lie house , which he considered to be one of raare Importance than any that had been brought before tha

      house within tbe last century , he must say he thought It had been introduced with undue and unbecoming haate . The object of that bill was to render the speaking , openly and advisedl y , of words aftvctio if the integrity ol the Biiiish dominions a felony . He would ) ware the house not to adopt such a measure precipttataty , anl to beware lest by doing so tbey ennobled felony , and converted what was Intended tobeabadgo of degradation aad infamy iuto a badge of honour and renown . In the olausa of this bill which proposed to rendou * open and advised speaking' felonious , no lesa than , ahie or ten offences wt > ro enumerated which were to » ba rendered felonies . It was declarsd to be a felony t «» z » editate tbe daprivatlon of Her Majesty of any of the- honours and titles she now enjoyed ^ -tc . wrest from Esw Mojesty any portion of tbe dtpendtacies of tbe Crown—to lavy war aeainat the Crown—to . e * erawe the PaxUonii nt—to

      incite foreigners to raa & o war either upon tbe onitad king . don » or upon any pw . t of Hot . Uajaatj'i . possessions—to . print , to write , or to- ppeak certain matters , and to do-. any overt act or da < th connected with Cbt » subjects pro * viously recited , Se approved of tata bill so for as It tented 'to place ia another category ot crime cestaia offerees hitherto . punisbed ae tre & so-a ; but he hoped the government WWld bs induced to-abandon the clause to which he bai referred , by viSusa it was proposed to make open aad advised speaklsg a felony . He could not support a msasure which vtoalsi gag the months of the people , aad p » t « ent them ftce , tspressicg their views on political queaiiDDS . He ct-riaioly never anticipated that the gentlem-en who now sat upon the inlnlat « ial benches would have b & ea so recreant to the principles they profeB » ed whsn out of offios as to pro ; oso a measure of this nature . It was said tbat this measure was rendered

      necaeeary by the state of Ireland ; but h « woui o »»); whether it was fair that the whole population of Great Britain should be gagged in consequence of the in . dieeretlon of a few persona In Dublin , or psrhaps , of a few persons in London 9 There was no doubt that the-discontent manifested net only by a large proportion of tbe people of Ireland , bat also by a largo proportion of the people of this country , had led tbo government to introduce this measure -, end U was inva . ri & bh tire case tbat tstSua a gorsrooteat had Begleotod

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      the just claims of tbe people to tbeir fights , and had eaclted their Indignatlen by a denial ot those rights ; thoy then came forward with : measure * of Coercion , Tbe present government had refused to r 4 Uve * dissenters from church rates—tbey had refused any rtfefelon of taxation—they had refused to equalise the income * toxthey had so far adhered to the doctrine of finality that tbey bad refused any extension of political rig hts to any portion of tha communliy ; and , when the peoplr aanoanced tbeir intention to assemble at Kennington to petition tba legislature on some of these sulject ? , what WQ ) the Conduct vf the jrorernment f lie was eatiefi d that no Christian man conld have read without a

      shudder the accounts given ia tbe papers tbat morning of the preparations made by Her Majesty ' s ministers , ( Cries of-Ob , ob ! ' ) Sueh preeauilons were never nacesiary m >» country which was wisely and yastiy governed . Tfeey were not necessary in France ( laughter , and cries of ' Oh J' ) until a Sii ' sit became minister ; but it seeuMid unhappily tbat they were necessary So themetropoiis-of the British empire , and under a liberal { rovernmenr .. ( Renewed criea of 'Oh ' . ' ) They might reit assured tbat there was a cause for tbe discontent wbicb led t » the adoption of sosh'precautions , Tbe-boo , member fbr ] R > trin ? ham ( Mr ©' Conner ) would never beve been supported by such R ^ mbers if there bad'not been iujuotice- somewhere ; all tho power and influence-of that honourable gentleman wera attributable 10 4 h 8 wrOB'gS which the people suffered aJtbe hands of tbo legislature . Ho was- ready to admit that' if the gevernmeatr approhanded deader they were jiintified in the precautions

      they had taiien . but he believed that if tbe asavmblege and procession had been permitted every this * would ilava passed off * quite aa peaceably aa had hapoity- been the case . 'JJhoy had lately seen'the progress of enlightened freedofl 3 > toroagbont the whole io » tin » nt , » nd tl > e government and not only comtmnded but had professed to sympathise with that movement ; yet the moment a desire was manifested by the working people of this country to obtain . thai ? just rights- the ^ ovcrtimsnt oamo down with a gaguinjr law . Ae-he understood this bill , if a . man delivered ) hie opinions apon governments hi . tho abstract , upon ' the origin of human governments upon tbe purposes and designs of human Kovtrnments , cwei . pressed his pseference in the abstract for a tepublio-as compared with the monarchy , be would ba liable to-bs arraigned as a- feluu , and if convicted to be transported . Ho hoped tho eovi rument would see the naotssity of striking tbo words ' open aud avowed apaaWng ' out of the bilK

      Sir B . IJaiui . a & er stating hi » surprise at Mr Thompson ' s opposition , to the bill , prcoeorttdto make an attack upon 2 fr 0 'Gintwr » He said ho din" not intend to follow the bon . gentleman who hod ! just sat down through the whole of his very discursive speech ; but he must express his surprise tbat the hon , member had come to the conclusion to- vote against tbe second reading of thia bill . He oniioratoOd tbe hon . { penfclenvsn to say tbat although there were some nords in tho third clause to which he entertained strong objection , ho was ready- to give the other provisions of the bill- his hearty , support , Tl " , ( Sir B . Hall ) would suggest to the hon . gtuOettixn that he should vote in favour of the second reading , and propose the omission of the wordato . which he obj- e-ted lu committeo . He ( Sir B . HallVconsidrrart that w »

      government would have been wanting in tba doty they owed to their Sovereign and to- the state , if tt- « y had uot asked for powers to atop tbe treason nod sedition which had lately baeo rife . ( Hear , hear . ) The spe'ehof the hon . cumber for Nottingham ( Mr O'Connor ) ha 3 be-n mark-d by great loyalty on the cn « han't , atid hy Strong- condemnation of government on tbe ott . er . On ( Sir B . Hall ) bad keen in this house ever since that hoo . geHtleman wag first elected for the county of Cork , sixteen years ago ; and he must do the lion , is ember the justico to sny that ho had never heard hira express any opinions which intimated a desire to depose tbe So varoign tr to subvert tbe monarchy , He ( Sir B . Hall ) wlshe . l , however , ia no unfriendly spirit , to give th . hon , gentleman aa opportunity of a » o « lng or dlnavowlog

      certain opinions which had been ascribed to him withm tbo last few dsys , and which were at variance with tbe opiai ' ns he professed in that h"uso . He ( Sir B . Hall ) held in his band a paper called the HoKTHE & H STAS , of which the hoo . gentleman had in tbat home arow . d hlrasf-tf to be the proprietor , and In which , so lately as last Saturday week , there appeared a letter purponi » g to bo « rltt « nby the hon member . Ha ( Sir B . Rail ) must do tbo bon . gentlemvu the Justice to any that , throughout the whole of that letter , he did not tall tiie people to rssort to other than moral force j but he ( Sir 15 . \ U \\) wished to give bim an opportunity of erplaiuin * tha m .-aoini ? of tbe words he was about to read . Tho hon . gentleman addrte ' ssd a latter to the * 0-4 Guard *' ( laughter ) , In unich he said . ' Old Guards' I h » ve

      received several letters warning me of the danger of joining in tbo procession , but this is my answer to one and all , —that I would much rather bo taken a corpse from nmidat that procession { a laugh ) than dishonour my » clf , disjracemy country , and desert you by remaining awaj , O'd Guards , the charges against me by the enemy hive boon numerous , but cowardleo has sever bees one of them , Bit as to republic or monarchy , let the power behind the throne be greater than the throse itsnlf , let labour select its own representatives annually and pay tbem honourably { t , laugh ) , aud I do not oare w & etberyou ? ut the Pope , the Djvil , or the Pretender npon tbe throno . ( Langhter , ) Let the psople ba Um base of the superstructure , aud I eare not three straws what the fisura head may hi . ' ( Cries of ' Hear , hear , an ! ' Ob , ob . '} That was not hastily apok * n , but deliberate ) / written . The bon , member would do well .

      in addressing great public meetings , not only to instil into men ' s minds tbat they should endeavour to attain their rights by moral and not by physical foree , but to read a short speech delivered not many days ago by one of ( he most eminent men in the most enlightened country in tho world , a speech d-Kvtrsd by Mr wVioksr at ITffldfll & erB " , tff a IWjJP SSJerobly desirous of an * . xlett « lon of their rights—a speech in w hlijU that gentleman said In' substance , ' I ) j not let us mistake liceu-e f r liberty . ( Hear , h * ar . ) Do not let us imigine that because muob may require to be remodello 4 , nil must be overthrown . ( H « ar , hear . ) Let us take England as our model . She has freSj institutions , her people hare greatp ilitical privileges ; she alono remiino proud and pre-eminent amongst tho natiOBB of the world , whilst all around bur is a wreck . ' ( Cheers . ) Desiring to see this country maintain that proud position , he ( Sir B . Hall ) should support the proposition of tho gov rnment .

      Mr 0 'Comma begged to remind fie bouse tbat the hou . baronet ( Sir B , Halt ) himself allowed , that the letter of two columns , from which he read two sentences was taken up with recommendations to rely ou mor . al force nlone . The two passages which , had been read he ( Mr O'Connor ) avowed ; tbey were la accordance withall his writings ( hear ); and he defied the bon . baronet to aboir tbat he hsd ever breathed anything but Strict obedleno * to tbo law aud moral force . Mr Homb repeated the objsotions to the gaj # ng ' clause of this bill which he had stated on a former even , log " . We are now going to re enact for Eaglan-1 and Ireland tho law of leasiog-maklng , which we had

      repealed for Scotland , and under whic % if air and five other Scotch patriots had been banished from their native country . If we passed snch a law , we should have the same secret meetings and espionage which ws . hud in tho Odd . years subsequent oa tha outbreak of tba first French revolution . Whilst be said this , be did not think it fitting tbat we should have a National Convention permanently sitting in Judgment ou Parliament . IIu oallad on Ministers , instead of passing new , to put in force tha existing laws . They had power to put d <> wa delegation , and he advised them to exert it . Every place ought to have Ite distinct meeting , and should not dal'gate its power to a distant body .

      The SoMCiroB-GfiNEJUl , supported tbe bill . It was not intended to repress private speaking , bat only , ' cp .-n and auvlsed speaking , ' recommending tha levy of war upon her Mnj ^ sty , As personal notoriety was one of the strongest motives tor tbeso treasonable exhibitions , be thought that this bill woutf put a stop to them ; for tho man who might reckon upon sympathy as a traitor was not sure of meeting it as a folon . Mr Hums bad complained tbat the government had mado me ot a clause is an act of Charles II . for stopping persons who bad threatened to bring up a petition with hundreds of thousands Of men ; OOd tbe goremzaoDt were supposed tointend to use tha whole of tha aet , and prevent more than twenty persons signing petitions . It was clear from tbe division of Lord iltnafteld , iu the case of Lovd George @ ot > don , tbat the clause in tha act of Charles

      II . relating : to tumultuary BsaeraUles vu not Repealed ;« fcat It would bo ridiculous to contend tbat because Ministers thought proper to avail them « elrcg > of thatportioo of tho act they must be supposed to coincide in all the doctrines contained in the statute . Tho bon . member for Montrose wa » mistaken iu supposing that the case of Mu'r and Palmer bore any aaalogy to- tbojo Which- would come within the parvlew of tbe measure propaead by the government ; the cases ware perfectly distfcsct . He bad felt it accessary thus brit fly toexplnin that what W 98 meant by * op * n and advised speaking ' wafrlangtiBge nscd in > tho-meat open manner , with the view off inciting pevsora . to- levy war against her M . i jasty , or against Parliament * for tbe purpose of indacing it to alter pleasures whicb it bettered to bo conducive to tbe welfare of the state .

      MrHDHB , —Will tbo boa . and learned gentleman state whether open and advised speaking waa ever ba . fosamade a felony f The Soucitou . © sHsaMi . —It is treason , Mr Hous , —Treason ! What statute-makes It so ! The SonciToa Gknkbai .. —Open andavowed speaking , followed by an overt act , is tteasoa . ( ' Oh ( ' and Hear , ' ) The oth e * apeabers in favour of tbe measure , but Bevtral of them with q'tsllfioatlons as to the alteration or omljslon in committee of tbe gnggtaj clause wsre Sir It . IngU « , Mr Anatcy , Mr Agliooby , Lord Nugent , Mr P . Wood , Captain Arohdall , Mr H , Drummond , and Mr Horamnn ; those against the motion altogotbr-r , Mr Oibotne , Dr Bowrlng , Mr Mun a , Mr Bright , Mr J . | O'Connell i Mr 3 . Crawford , and Mr Wakley , the Utt ' er ¦ h » n gentleman expressing his in ' entlon , unless tha or . noxious provision * were removed , to lh .-ow crery possible obattuctlcn iu the way of tho progress ef the measure .

      Lord J . RoestLL thought that the words ' objected to in the clause about ' optnly and advisedly speaking ' were absolutely essential , and explained the object with which tbey wera introduced in the same terms wbleb ha used on Friday night . ItWis on account of tha eaeite-» ent and fear now prevailing that government Introdaced this blu . While ha leUtd . generally on , tso spirit of the people to oppose suoh E » aobinatlon » , ba sould net forget teat there ires oao peaUw doss wbkb Has par-

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      ticularly interested in tbe speedy cessation of such ex .. altement aad such fear . The working classes were-nw . xposedto danger by the excitements addreMed to tbem * Ought we not , thin , to endeavour to put an end fd > thfin , and to punish those Who by urging tbe working ola < n »» to branches of the paace , and to tha I- vying of war agaius ; our institutions , wore putting in jeopardy their denrest interests ? II * theS adVHTted to tho RtftiuV majestic , noble conduct of tbe people , and to tho attach * ment and love for tbeir Institutions rbiob tbey had exhibited that morning ; it was owing to tbe respect and

      ecrafldctsee whieh lhAt people rflpoSBd In till toTCO 8 t ifc . 8 command of tbo government tbat government had fecatt enabled to beep ibe peace , wbicb it would bare no more been able to keep withou' it than the government ot Berlin , Milan , end Vienna . When we contrasted out " situation » s we now stood , with our nifuntfnn as It mlghC havehvem , had the result been dlffurent , there was no * man but must highly vnloe the institutions on which the comforts and the- nnpj > inr » a of tbe people B 6- mainly d ^ pendsif . In conrfcraio-n , be stated , that if be coalS believe that the liberties of tbe people would be infringed by this WIT , Vo would net be a consenting party to-it

      Tbe h & B 8 « then divided . «&(¦» the second rendftifT wa » carried by a majority o ? & f , the numbers being 4 S ? to 85 . On tbe qoastion tbat tbn bill b » at once committed , a further dl ? p «» sion arose , Hr Saktoibb , after very const * dsrable diffraulty ,. obtained a henrlne , and then only alter having moved and wfthrawn * a motion for tbe si journraent of tbe bouse sgatnat ; the bill . Mr Hchs moved as nn amendment tbat tbe bill bo 30 D ]« nitt « d tbat day week , -when the bouse again divided-—for tbe amendment 33 , agafeist it 230 , majority , 197 . It was then moved that t & e house do a < ljnurn , when 6 * further dlvisl-n took-place , for-the motion 2 C , against if , 32 $ majority , 20 y .

      After some further rtlscnsvlon-tbe m > use again dM « tc « on the qu « stion of adjournment , —ayes , 24 , noes , 213 , majority , 189 ; when tbe bill waa ordered to be committed on Tuejdap at ttralva o ' cb ek , the house sitting specially at tbat hour for the purpoie . 7 ha latter patft of the sitting was murk-ed by great excitement , and tbe house did not rise till half-past one o ' clock . TtTESDaY- . Aprtd . IT . HOUSE OP LORTJff . —Forziqmmuhk Iohdoh . —Th 9 Duk » of Beau » o * t said , the nsMo Karonls- ( Lansdownef bad called attention yesterday t- tho niitnba' of foreiim era in Eondon , nnd he wet informed tbat persons in higb official situations and other forelguf rs wi re now in ( ho metropolis . He hoped this country woufd ever maintiin the character which she had enjbyed as a refugo for those who were driven from- their own cnun ' . ry by misfortune H * believed , however , that it Wis perfectly 1 notorious that during tho rfo's which took place , at

      Berlin emissaries from the Preach capita ] -were seen encouraging : the people ; and in Italy the same thing hodi occurred . Ai strong opinion prevailed , moveover . tbatr such persons were in this oauntry prior to < Ua presentation of a cetaln petition yesterday in tho other house ot parliament , and he wished , therefore , to know whether ,. Since the repeal of tbe Alien Act , there waa- any powerin the fcaodff of the govrnmenc tnabling- the rem « valof foreigners , and if aaci power did not exist ,, whether it was tba intention of the government to t : iho any steps ia reference to tbe matter * Tfaere was , alje > a society called th » iya . tion «») ( J . n"fusion , which nsvrr bad b ea r * co ? oi »* dbythegorernm at , bat g : ill tha society ex . isted , » ud it appeared to him that tho oxUlMieeof that society ou § ht to- ba taken into- eon * i > leraUo » , attd ha shouM like to kno * whether tbe governmantbsd any intention o' taking measures to put down t ^ at society ? ( Hear , hear . )

      Tbe Ma'quts of LiK'OiwKB said , that with resjieeft to tbe first qumtto-n , be was desirous of gWing the most satiafacmry answer . There were no provisions at present , by mesns of which the conduct of aliens in this eounrry could b » eontre-Hed , otherwise than as ber Majesty ' s surj-cts ; but in answer to the ques'ion whether it Wis the Inten'ion of ber M-. jostj '« goveromen * to tafea any step on tha sut-j-ot , ha held iu bis hand a bill whfcfc h » proposed liying on tho table to obtain power for tbat pwpov * . AltbnuihHw » snot necessary for hl « itopre « - face any application for laying sucU a bill on the tabl < -p he jet hoped , under ( he peculiar circu ^ nstances , euc 5 wilh a view to tbe expediency of pawing that bill into B . law as speedily as convenient , be might be permitted fa y make a verj low observations . ( Hear , hear . ) The noble * snarquli ) proceeded ; 1 am tbe last psroon to wish that thfre should exist any permanent law in this country prescribing ; he conduct , or prohibiting the residence off

      any forei gn *™ , other than the usuil laws which exist with re-peoi to all her Majesty ' s uuVjects , nnd 1 have > before bten instrumental in procu'ing a modiflcitisn of the law oa th > u subject ; but I certainly am of opinion * that , desirable as it Is that this country should , upon all oecisions , afford hospitality to all those foreigners ,, whethsr monarchical , constitutional , or republican , who may visit thess shores , aud who come prepar-d to * obey the laws and to act the part of obedient subj c- *« p during tbe residence they obsain nndorthe favour ot tb . » - law , —whilst I think this desirable , I cannot conceat from myself , when I see the cau < es now in operationwhen lies the Increase { number of foreigners in Lon » don—when I regard the peru ' . lae clrcumstauCtS under " whieh they have recently vlriled this country—whs > n £ know they come under various influences , and tbose not tbe aceustoned i < fluences of pleasure or business , bat inftuencis of a totally diffsrent descrlptioa—I cannoS but think it fit that the Rovernraent should have vested

      in them the power , for a limited tinv , in certain case * , ( 0 oropel the departure of any such persons as they may think n ' t , ( Cheers . ) I am authorised to state tbas such is the opinion of ih < j Lord-Liealensnt of freland „ as well as the rest of her Maj-aty ' s government . ( ObeoM ) When I h * ar ii proelalm » d avow » dly thflt there are a number of these persons prepared ta taka B . part in the internal affairs of this ceuntry—above all * when I hear it proclaimed by a person who woald be ? dually guilty if misleading his f . dlow . tufcj-cts ia tbifr mspect , that there are forty or fifty thousand person * from a neighbouring foreign natbn , prepared and desirous of takinj as opportunity of upsetting tbe

      governmest of this country—when I hear those assertions made , and don ' t know the extent to which they are true—but when I know there are crowds of parsons resoriinif to this country , whose motives can ' t at this moment ba ascertained , It is , I believe , the daty of the government aad the parliament to stand armed In this respect against any exigencies that may arise . ( Cheers . ) I d'Stre w .-rely to state the groun is on which I wish to lay thia bill oa the table ; and , if your lordshipi approve of it I shall propose the reading of it a s- cond time on Thursday nest , and ask your lorlships to proceed with it witbj as little delay as possible . ( L-ud cheers ) Tbe noble * Marquis was understood to decline answering tbe . secoai quastion at to the National Canvontfon .

      TbeBirl of MjiMESBuay thought tbe time was come when foreigners visiting this country phou'd be under peculiar turveillance ; bit he knew that several foreigner * in Lnndon , among whom was Prince Louis Buonapatte , had offered their assistance to tbe government topres ^ rvffthe peace yesterdny . ( Hear . ) Armas of Italy . —Lord Ba uqhih then moved fortbe production of jsrtsin oorr ^ spaudenea between thff British government and thai ef Sardinia Tbo nobhlor * seized the opportunity to piss in " r « viaw a portion of the *

      recent events which have agitated Europe , nnd especiallysingled out the King of Sardinia and the Pope as tha obj-cts of . hU attaek . Ho then passed on t .- » PafU , Bull . declared that he looked wirb far more dread at what waa passing thera than at the events which had taken place its Italy . He entertained personally tbe greatest respect iorsereral of tb » Illustri ous men who foffifted pitl Of th » provisional government , but if he wero aiked whether he had any coufMence in th- m , aoverned as thoy ara by the multitude , ba must confess he feltnoeoifilence itt them at all .

      The Mirquls of Lahbdowke would not attempt tc follow the noble lord into the varlows detslis of hi * speech , but bud uo objection to produce the papers ia question . Their lordships then adjourned , THE HOUSE € > P COMMONS met ot twelve o ' clock " , for the special purpose of proceeding with tha Crown and © ivernment Security Bill , Previous to proceeding to business , however , He S „ O ' Bbibm wlshel to ask the right hoi > , gentleman the Secretary for the Boflie Department , whether he had givea directions that tbe letters of Repealers pasning through ; the Posto ffiea shoaid bo opened , for fie ( Jfr O'Brien ) hsdT that morning reeeived a letter which had evidently been opened 1

      Sir & , Gbst ; I can Rire the most ur . ( jttalifi « d contradicciou to any such asj . « rtion , ( Sheers . ) So order of ' the kind his been given or is In contemplation . If ther hon . gentleman has ioo 4 vad a letter which his been opeu « d , I should recommend him . to apply t j tho P < atmjstar Qtoeinil immediatel y , audi inquiry will be made-Into the circumstance . Cbown an & Gotsbnsunt Skccmtt Bili .. —On the order of the day for going into committee on this bill , Mr F . O'Cmnou said , ha ha I nl-oady stated hia intention , apan the introdaetion c / this b ; ll , to gtva it all tbe opposition wliich 6 ho fo ? raaof the hous Q would permit , and , in pursuance of that notice , h now voso to meet it in its present stage . lie bad already printed a petition , signed by thousands of

      the people of this metropolis , against the bill , and he knew very well that if time were r . ffordedio tha Ciuntry a & lnr-jjo to express an opinion upon it , the table of the bouso iwalil bo covered wit *! similar petitions . ( Hear , hear . ) Andalthcuga it bad biea stated by sitae hon . members that it was their intrntion to look for some modification * , and to propose somo alterations of this Mil , be lokodupon it as so unconstitutional in its principle , that ho should give the house an opportunity of expressing its opinion upon it in story stage . Is waa notorious that for many years the principles of the right hon , baron <* the member for Tamtvi-rth ( Sir R . Peel ) had beo *

      aotod upon by the prcsentijovernaent , v z ., that o ecntralising all power within the II . usa of Commons ; and the . effect of the ccutralibation of that powor within the House of Commons waa to destroy the influence of public m-etings , public writing s and public speaking outside tho House of Commons . ([ lean hoar ) They were perfectly awavethat in Sp . Ain , for instance , where tho elective franchise was limited to about 06 000 of the population ( which was very largf ) the country was cintinually in a state of eonvulsion ; and the tmeuitt which had taken placa in France were the result of a similar cause . ( Hear , hear . ) Thow tmmt were coeoookd ia eeetet : slabs-

  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), April 15, 1848, page 3, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/ns2_15041848/page/3/