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      Monday,'Novbhbbb 29; H0jj3b Of Lords .—T...

      TUfUpon that point be felt bound to ask for information . "Ii The country was now placed in afferent circumstances fx < from those under which former measures of cotrcioahad Tbe been demanded—^ under vthicb the application for extraor ordinary powers met with the ready compliance of Par-Iiiliament . In relation to such demand * Parliament stood in in a position almost without precedent . The but time ft those powers bad been demanded they had bee * refused , & anil properly refused . ( Hear . ) They had been denunaHdedbjthejsemUemen vtho usually occup ied these < l < the Treasury ) tenches , and refused hy those who at 5 : 5 re * ent occupy them . And had that been npon a light © occasion ! The fete of an Admini itration had hung - 0-upon it . ( Hear . hear . ) The right boo . baronet had 1 ^ eendrivenfIom power because he had asked an dhad

      t been refused those powers which the house was now < < ai : ed upon to grant . ( Hear , hear . ) He ( Mr How 1 maa ) could sot forget the -rote he had then given , the 1 active part which , in Ms limited sphere , he had taken in ti promoting the result that had then occurred , or the I ground upon which he and hi » friends had then acted . ¦ 3 It was not became they had no confidence in tha right 1 hon . baronet—not that they had qaarrelled with his -3 -particular meaiare—but because they had wished to I give the death blow to the coercive system . ( Cheers . ) 1 The noble lord in opposing that measure , had tested s- = £ is argument against it upon that rery ground ; he had 1 told the house that successive administrations had ap-¦ ] -plied the coercive policy , that it bad proved a mistake , :-and that the time had theacome once and for all to

      ' bring it to an end . ( Hear , hear . ) He ( Mr Horsman ) . ' bad on that occasion quoted a protest by the late Lord ' . Holland , in which he had said that the coercive system i ' -bad been injurious to Ireland for two reasons : first 1 because the gentry and magistracy came to depend for 1-their security , not , like tha English gentry npon the 1 . affections and respect of their neighbours , but npon the 1 presenceofamilitaryforce ; and secondly , became enconraged to postpone those healing measures without . which Ireland as a nation never could be reconciled to l- 'Sngland . ( Hear , hear . ) Well did he remember the 1 . cheers which had followed the speech ot a right hon . gentleman , now a worth y member of the -. Administration , when he had teld the house that aa that

      was the first time in the history of tbe country that Par . listnenthad refused those powers to the government , so they might he assured that no Parliament would ever be asked to grant them again . The question then was this —was the house about to retrace its steps ! He hoped not . If the statements of some who had taken aa earlier partin the discussion were tobersSed upon , together with ttose sources eflnformatlon which were open to every ene , there would appear U be a £ eubt as to the real parties by whom tha tranquillity of Ireland had been disturbed . The other night the hon . baronet , the member forUarylefxrae , had stated in a speech , with which there had been an appearance of concurrence in the house , that great blame was to be attached to certain associations in

      Ireland , whose sole end and aim seemed to be to excite aversion and disobedience among the people in Ireland , ( Hear , hear . ) He stated thai they held up the law to the poor man as his oppressor , as failing to be Ms protector , « nd therefore not entitled to his allegiance . According to the description he had heard , the poor man who was Kept for some time on the verge of insurrection by the exciting addresses to which he listened—being kept for along time on tbe verge of crime , at last plunged into it . The law pounced npon him ; the law seized and made an example of him ; bnt those who ware represented as the poor man ' s instigators—as the real causes of the crime which he bad committed—wonld the provisions of tie law touch them ! ( Hear . hear . ) An hon . gentleman whom he sawopposite addressed the house the

      Other evening in a short and impressive speech , which xiretted to an unusual degree the attention of the house , -and which had retained it too—( hear , hear)—alluded to another subject which be seemed almost desirous not to allude to , but which had made such an impression on his feelings that be could not avoid it . There were the priests in Ireland ; and as an English member standing there to legislate for Ireland , be was told of priests who denounced from the altar certain gentlemen by name . "Some poor man , who hears the dennnaiation , goes and shoots the persons denounced ; the poor miscreant who ¦ fires the shot is seized ; but he , the not less culpable assassin—he who charged the weapon and directed its aim—did the provisions of the law touch him * ( Hear , bear . ) Again , they had beard , they had read , they

      -fenew , because it was stated from official sources , of wholesale ejectments—of whale villages being sometimes tamed ont in a moment—the aged and Infirm—the hale and tie sick—all turned out , their cottages fired over their beads , and themselves obliged to take refuge in a ditch without a roof to shelter them or a crumb to feed them ; the wretched outcast , feeling- that the law was no - protectian to him , took the law Into his own hands and -Tereuged himself . The provisions of then * law applied to bhn , he was apprehended for the crime and executed ; but the rich man who , by one despotic act for a moment jeopardised the lives of hundreds—did the provisions of their law touch him ! ( Hear . ) He ( Mr Horsman ) bad alluded to tbe agitators in Ireland , bnt he hoped in doing so he should he acquitted of wishing unnecessarily to cast

      & stone at any of those gentlemen by whom the agitation -was carried oa . He bad read the history of Ireland with -some attention , and he could sot disguise—he was not ashamed < r afraid to avow his conviction , that every act ef justice to Ireland obtained from the British Legislature bad been obtained by agitation . ( Hear , bear . ) He had beard gentlemen in that house , bidding high for official situations , who had stated within the lastdghteenmenths that if they bad been Irishmen they would not only have 'been agitators but Repealers , and for himself he did not hesitate to say that if England had suffered hut a hundredth part of tbe injustice which bad since the union been inflicted on Ireland , England would now have been -ungovernable . ( Hear . ) These were facts which they all -fenew ; these were things , which , in conversation .

      -tthey -were constantly saying to each other ; and , therefore , although be could not approve of tha exaggerations which they were accustomed to hear poured forth at Conciliation-hal '—although he could not in any manner approve of many proceedings which the parties who took a lead in Ireland occasionally lent themselves to , still he -must say that , these men being Irishmen—being lovers of their country , and seeing the miseries which she bad to endure—and , according to Lord Devon ' s report , they were greater than were endured by any other country , : and borne with unexampled patience and submission—he ¦ conld not criticise their language at all timeslie canld no more expect them to restrain their language « n all occaiions than he could expect them to forgettbtir -country . ( Hear . hear . ) The whole ground upon which

      tbe house was asked to support the present measure was the state of-crime which was at present notorious in Ireland . Sut he mast say that to bis mind , the most dreadful , horrible , and appalling part of the many statements of his right hon . friend ( Sir 6 . Grey ) , was not the murders -which ha had recounted—it was not even the still more painful fact that tiey could not get fee inhabitants of the country , who saw the murders committed , to assist in apprehending the assassin—these were two bad features of the case—but , to his mind , tbe most horrible part of the story was , that we had allowed this system fo go on ever since we had known Ireland , -and that np to this moment we bad made no progress in remedying it . ( Hear . hear . ) The right boa . gentleman bad shown that outrages and murders were very

      prevalent at present in Ireland—but mally there was nothing sarpridns ' fa that . He remembered hearing an hon . member of that house say with a sneer , that the b « 3 get of horrors came round in the long nights of -winter as regularly as the Christmas pantomime . He remembered that the right hon . member for Ripon ( Sir J . Graham ) produced the same sad tale last yearj that be did so with a power and effect , which , certainly , if anything could have done it , would have persuaded the house to adopt the measure be bad submitted to it ; feat even this statement fell flat upon the house . The bouse seemed to feel that it w & s stale , fiat , and unprofit able . Lord Althorp , in 183 * , went over the same ground . £ ven he was not original , for in 1825 , Mr Secretary -Gonlburn'haaVdone ' the same thing , while in 1814 , Mr

      "Secretary Peel "bad-made the blood of the house , run caid on the . same subject—and even in bis case be was - only repeating ^* thnce told tale . * ( Hear , hear . ) Prom the commencement of the prejent century—ever since --the union , up'to' tha present ^ time>—Ireland bad been in -the ^ same state ; tea speech made byiLord Chue in bis ^ la 1 : ein Parliament soon after the unlon ^ ijis lordship -Stated that be shoald bs happy if be co ^ tgo to bis t » d at night withoot . tbe apprehension ^^ jjpjng his tbroat . cut before , theimprning , or seeing MsTWire ' and cflild £ n butchered before his eyes ; that he should he happy if he coold ride out unarmed ; bat that when he went out -bis irisb servant brought him his arms as regularly , as * bis hat ; and he concluded bis speech by offering a villa - and six acres of brad to any ' Eaglisbman who would go

      -,-aadrestde there for isix months , being perfectly flertata = tbittSe terms . would never he complied , with . He . tJHr . Horsman ) begged fa observe , that ii any bon . gentiem ^ - ' ' woahi refer to that speech , it would repay . Wm tte pern . ~« al , and would , perhaps , surprise him to see *^ t now - tbirtSttree years later , Ireland was precisely in the ^« ne state as it was then ; that tbey were still depforing the same crimes , and tracing them to the same seurces-. ¦ ' - lot political , not religions , but all agrai ^^ ndOlsten - -inBto ^ ttemem !^ of gOTernmentwhose dnty itis ^ hrmg - forward tbe tale of honor , astfthey , had heard it for the first time , osd oiiless other measures , were to accraK . Sronenow before the house , ^™ % m && theoeraicioiis example of former Parliament ^ iJ ? * -leS the malady uatoncbed . He had rtatedf # u not ' i vindication of * e courss $£ ad

      ^ S merer , _ _ ' £££ - ^ 2- ^** ^ tjearirngfor % . Ereason-v 5 x ., thatn « was perfectly ' ?» £ *** £ . place ' all the powers asked for to the ^ f $ M ? £ tsmnistratitm-andgreaterif necessary ; *™ 4 agg *» ; -Bunts " of crime were to be relied on , he * X $£ ? powers were necessary ; be was Ma ^ . ^ - ^ P ^^ SS perfect confidence , to give ttem those ; pow * a -pn » Tiaea be isw an equivalent in the shape of remeoial ' a ^ "' * - He wished to see the remedial mewuref wtogtbabtt « hand with tte coercive measure . H * rh £ --b $ eny . *»• rated to the " several remedial messuresJhV cfnsjderea necessary , the hon . member Tcpnclud ^^ iSJce Uent « peeebin the following words t-f-Iifeet «^^* *™ « resent government has with respect to l ^ rt / P : *™' . snalloadofret-powihility . i E ^^ r * WJ ^ Lart ** . fa tbemannsr in which they EWeeeded to «|& o * ~~ £ ~?

      ^ themselves mwifujlly , and I boj ^ sh « WMlytf «« r , - - . xoeasufes , iAonpositiwi to a coet ^ M poUcy * ' ^ , 1 t & feuUOm ' ot Ireland with < $ * f £ | "Sf dou ? ^^ tf ^^^ e ^ vsam ^ t wltt PWf « s agate , rfg ^ v' ^ - ' -Y - ~ \ - ^' - \ t / . ¦;¦ ... ^§^ .. 3 ^ 3 * '"' ' v ' ' -

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      I mean the perfect abience of all party feeling . ( Cheers . ) The government of Ireland was placed unreservedly In their hands—on that point there was complete unanimity bo'bin and out of doors . Parliament had given them this absolute power ; courage and capacity to torn that power to good accsant Parliament had sot given- —but these , I may assure them , are qualities that neither tbis country nor this Parliament will suffer to be dispensed with . ( Cheers . ) Mr W . Fjoah said be should divide with Mr O'Connor against the bill , Lord Jocelvk and lord BsBwaan found fault with the measure for not being strong enough , and urged npon the government the necessity for much more stringent provisions ,

      Mr P Scaorx had hitherto opposed all coercive measures for Ireland , but should not oppose the present bill for it was milder than be had expected . Ha be * Heved , however , that it was worthless for the object which it aimed at—the security of life and property in Ireland . Sir B . PiEl conld not resist the fores-of . the appeals which Sir G . Grey had made upon Mm , Sir G . Grey had fortified Ms statements with so many horrible details of crime « s to leave no doubt that it was the duty of Parliament at onoe to arrest tbe progress of one of the most sanguinary tyrannies which had ever existed in the civilised world . He could not , he repeated , resist the force of the appeal just made to the house , because it was precisely tbe same appeal which he had himself

      made to it three years age . Ho agreed that measures of this aini were no remedies for social evils ; but when he was told that there was a secret conspiracy for the destruction of human life , that was such a scandal that no minor considerations should prevent Mm from assent * ing to tbis treasure . He would not postpone tbe con * sideration ofit nntil be had the remedial propositions before him . He wonld not enter into parley with the assassin ; for it was our duty , without reference to ulterior measures , to paralyse his arm at once He then adverted to tbe consequences which were likely to ensue from adopting schemes of emigration , from passing a new Landlord and Tenant Act , and from enacting various other measures for Ireland , with the view of showing that any one who expected immediate relief from permanent measures took too sanguine a view of the power of legislation ; and after dwelling for some time on those subjects , ' referred to the remark

      of one of the Irish members , that reparation was due te bhn ( Sir K . Peel ) for having been turned out on a measure of coercion . Kow , the best reparation . that could be made to the last , was t * assist the present government in passing tbis law . Hespekenot of reparation in a parry sense ; for he disclaimed any wish to triumph over the present administration , and the prosperity of Ireland was Ms main consideration . He then entered into an investigation of some of the details of the bill ,, and intimated bis opinion that it would te better to have a measure regulating the possession of arms throughout tbe whole of Ireland , than a fragment of a bill , enabling the Lord-Lieutenant to disarm the inhabitants of certain disturbed districts . He also recommended the institution ef a detective pollcein Ireland , and impressed upon Government the necessity of giving a valid protection to the witnesses whom it might be called upon to summon into tbe courts of the law .

      Mr Madbici O'Cosrell would not offer any active opposition to this hill because it trenched so little on the constitution . After a few words from Mr O'Cauaoban , Mr DiexAELi explained that the long delay in bringing in the Arms Bill proposed under Sir R . Peel ' s administra tion had induced him and his friends to oppose it . He considered it much to the credit of the present government , that being convinced of the necessity for a coer . cion bill they had brought it in at so early a period ol the session . If their bill were not sufficiently stringent on them the responsibility rested , and it was not a light one . He was glad to bear that an addition of 200 constables was sufficient to secure the safety of Ireland .

      Sir G Gxez expressed his satisfaction at the tone and temper with which this hill had been received , and stated that the duration of it would be till tbe 31 st of December , I 6 i 9 , and to the ead of the next session of Parliament . He informed Sir R . Peel that a detective police bad been ia the contemplation of the latd Lerd Besiborough . and was now carried on under the auspices of Lord Clarendon . He concluded bis reply by stating that if crime aud outrage should continna in Ireland , the government would not shrink from again coming to Parliament for fresh powers to protect the lives of Her Majesty ' s faithful subjects . Mr rViEixr said that Mr P . O'Connor ' s intention to divide the bouse wonld place many members , and binself among the rest , ia a painful position . He shoald therefore move as an amendment to the origioslmotion , ' TnatitiBnotjuittoenactany bill of a coercive character for Ireland without enacting other bills for its remX . '

      MrBsoTHBiTONhad opposed every coercion bill that bad been brought into Parliament in bis time , but be had such confidence in Lord John KusseH and the Earl ef Clarendon that be should support the present measure . MrBeiNOLDs moved that the debate be now adjourned . Mr Fsugus O'Cojraoa seconded the motion . Strangers were ordered to withdraw , bat Lord Jems Russell urged the boose to consent to the first stage that night . Mr Ritholds said that he was quite willing to withdraw his motien for aa adjournment , and to reserve to > himself the right to oppose the bill in a- future stage , Mr P . CCowioa thought that before withdrawing bis motion the hon . member for Dublin ( Mr Reynolds ) Bight have asked bis ( Mr P . O'Connor ' s ) permission to do so . ( Laughter . )

      Mr M . J . O'CoHKELL hoped tbe boo . member for Finsbury would not press his amendment on tbe present occasion . It was an amendment wnisb might be better discussed on the second reading of the bill . Mr S . Cxiwroao inquired whether , by allowing the bill to be brought in , be should be pledged to approve it ? Sir G . Gxet assured the hon . saember he would not in the least degree be compromised by the withdrawal of the amendment whieh he had Seconded .. That would not pledge him in any degree to- an approval of the measure .

      Mr M . J . CCoHHiLL requested the hon . member for Finsbury to withdraw his amendment for the present , and assured the hon . member that if' a Landlord and Tenant Bill , with other remedial measures , were not bronghtjn , he ( Mr M . 0 ConneU > . wouId < go the whole hog' with tbe hon , member in supporting bis amendment at a subsequent stage of this bill . (( Hear , heat ); The house then divided on Mr Wakley ' s amendment . For the amendment M ' ... " 20 Agsinstit „ .... 233—213-On the question , ' That leave he given to bring in the bill , ' another division took place at the instance of Mr O'Connor . The numbers were : — Por the bringing ia of the bill ,. „ 22 t Against ... ... .... ... 18—293 ; The bill was then brought in and read a- first time , and the bouse adjourned at a quarter befose . one o ' clock . TUESDAY , KovncBEB : jot ' . * .

      HOUSE OP LOEDS . —Divosce . —Lord Baonaawti in presenting a petition from an individual complaining of the excessive expense of prosecuting a suit tor divorce , urged the propriety of introducing a reformation la tha system , which should enable the aggrieved poor to- obtain justice , as well as tbe rich . . IsniA . —The Earl of EtUNBoaoijea , in moving , for the production of papers ' connected with advances-made in India on the hypothecation of goods , observed that as several of the recent commercial failures had been of firms connected with India , be thocght the boosa should have information as to tte mannes in which commercial transactions in India were practically carried oa ,. so that it might be laid before the committee en commercial distress . Ever sace 1834 there had been somplainU made of the manner in which * commercial matters 2 B India were conducted .

      The Earl of Aucslasd very much agreed : with the : noble earl as to the evil of the- system of making remit-, tances to England on the hypothecation of goods in Iadla ,. Tba returns were ordered ' , and theb > lordship * adjourned at half-past five . HOUSE OP COMMONS . —Isibb Bsmbdial . Mba ; sums . —In reply to a series of questions rrora . Mr- 5 . O'Connell as to whether government in teadoi to pro . pose measures ,, and when , for giving employment to the destitute poo * , in completing the works cpmsBjenced . as relief works ,, and left unfinished , for . putting a stop to the progress of fever and checking the advaaca of cholera , for the reclamation of waste lands , anoYforplacing the laws affecting tbe relation pfrlandlordjaad teaanton a sound footing , ' '• ' ¦ ' ' : ' ~ /

      . Sir G . Gset said that as a general notice only bad been plaeed'on the piper to ask what measures govern , ment intended to . propose to meet the distress of the pre . san tfmnter ^ and for the amendment of the law . of land . lorSiad . tenant ' m ^ lrelaao , ' he was nokawaze nntil a few sainutes since , when a list had heen ? handed to him , thaVa ' whoIeseHes if questions would be put as to ti » introtions of ministers with regard to publlo works , ttt employment of tnepipple , the prevention . of the spread of ; fever , and the reclamation " of waste binds , coasequsBtly he , could not now , state when-they woald be . prepared topr 0 pos 9 . measures . ln reference to those so ' ojecjv . Ha bad stated on a previous , eTenlng . that ' govei ^ ent did ^ ot contemplate any aBpiicati » to r , ' arlla Wat ' for " aOTafaceTfor resumliur the relief worf * ' „„ . » ,,

      £ presealJiren ^ taHces . He had also said ths ' e a ] , „ , portio ^^ gtt ^ od ' desttned for fte ' supflyVJ the people lasttrofcgle ^ a & M iri tte ^ gofernjiwn' : storehouses , and wcm ^ ftfiiae ^ avallahle' -in th % w . umg winter in ft 0 iedisW 8 B s *] i ^ f » te « « - *> ' . be insnfficUnl to relieve t ^ . c ^ tutepohr ; ., k % W the suggestion for making advances t ^ ti je lansiftrf ^ entWe jj ,. ^ ^ give employmeBttotte r ji- ^^^ _ j amtl ^ „ ductiveness of tte Iandj ¦» VnmenV were not ' prepared , at present , to propos A /^ ny ^ h ^ 'S ^ ojo ^ p ^ ^ subject , e « P * e . l >' jwever pniy . as to their present in .

      tenuons , « ~^» notsaywhatmight be doneat a fatore period . */ yi on therfthjeoVofthe law " o « andlord add tenant b t ^ -. b ^ npr $ jjg ^ a £ and wiis now' under the conriderati ^ . f ' mi ^ teri ^ ifit ; fie ' thought it would be neither wK , njbXe . ? pea 1 ent | t . bj | t . on the contrary , would ratter . v ' ind-to' ^ eatttelr " object , if , ia order to satisfy &* * J / -tur ^ 1 an | ietjof Irbjb ) members as to the intentiona of goyejiamen ^ 'they " were , within tte next few days , . •' ad . mthoij fflll consideration ^ ' to lay that bill on the tobIe . ;^ Hear , - . hear . ) He- * couId not , therefore , pledge himself as to' the precise time wnea that measure would iMrWtr ^ a ?^ - ' . . ' i ' . > " - ' " , ¦ ¦ -. ? fc / . ( yCoHsiLL gave nbtioe—the answerof the right hon . \ b " sroaet sot being satisfactory to him—that be itmi moT 8 an amwtoeut , brinf ing tbe nbiect oflrit

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      measures under the notlce ^ of the house on bringing np tbe report of the committee of supply . . Iktexvxntiok w 8 wvitju . tiHB .-r Xi . D . TJeqdhabx wished toinqulfe of the noble lori the Secretary for Foreign Affairs whether it was intended by her Majesty's government , in the proposed inkrontien in the affairs of Swi tzerland , to Interfere other than in tte character of mediators between the belligerent parties , and that only with their consent ? Tiicount PiLUEBSTav . —The answir to that will be found in the passage is her Majesty ' s speech which refers to the subject . I may here ohierre that the original intention on the part of her Majesty's government was to abstain wholly from interference ef any sort of charac ter in tbe affairs of Switzerland , but at the earnest te .

      quest of the government of Prance her Majesty ' s go * ! vernment have consented to offer , in conjunction with the ether fonr powers , their mediation to the two contending parties , with the view to bring about an amicable settlement of the difference between them ; her Majesty ' s government , however , make it a condition of their join , log with tte other powers in that offer that it shall be left entirely optional to both or either of . the contending parties in Switzerland to accept or reject it , and that the refusal of either toaccept such mediation shall not be made tte ground for hostile measures or interference . against them . ( Hear , bear . ) It is ri g & t , however , that I should state further , that there is a distinct under * standing requested by the other powers that that condition should not be considered as in any way fettering them as to the exercise of any rights they may conceive they possess by virtue of any treaty , l think it doe also

      to remind the house that by a declaration signed by the five powers In the month of Sovtmber , 1815 . at Talis , those five powers declared that they guaranteed the neutrality , tte independence , and the inviolability of the territory of Switzerland , such ss that territory was defined at the congress of Vienna , ander the treaty , of Parls ' signed the same day it being considered thatit was for the interest [ of all Europe that that inviolability' and independence shenid be preserved , an 4 thatvtbe Swiss territory shouldbe free from all foreign interference , ( Cheers . ) Acting npon that view , we are ready to offer our friendly offices ia conjunction with the * , other great powers to adjust the differences which have mfertqnately arisen between the two parties in Switzerland ; -bnt ihe government of Great Biisaia will not be a party to ¦ any forcible interference in the affairs of that cssntry *—( Cheers ;) ¦ ¦ ¦ .-. ¦ . ,. , ¦ ¦ ¦ ,. . . ¦;( * . ¦ ,

      Mr B . Osbosnb asked wbsther there wouM . be say objection to lay ' tte ^ apers and despatches relating t » the subject before the bouse ? : Tiicount Palmesston said there would be no oh ^ ec . Moa to lay all the papers before Parliament as 800 B ' Bathe transaction should be coucloded , and , in reply to a question from Mr J . O'Connell , tbenoble lord added that tte federal compact between the several cantons , whicb had been concluded in conjunction with tte great powers , bad , as the basis of the-confederation , tbe Independent sovereignty of each of the component cantons .: Mr D . TJbquhabt wished to know from the noble lord whether her Majesty ' s government would be prepared to resist any attempt on the part of either of the ether four powera to interfere by force ! ( General cries of « 0 h , oh ! ' )

      Viscount PsiMxisroN—The house will , I ara sura , see that it it net a question for me to answer what the government ef this country might do in any supposed case . ( ' Hear , besr , 'from all sides of the house , ) Comuebcial Caisis . The CnattiHMT . —The Chancsllob of the Excbiquex moved for the appointment ot a select comihittes to inquire into the causes of-the recent commercial distress , and how far it has beea affected by the laws for regulating the issue ef banknote * payable on demand . In so doing he entered into an elaborate statement , explanatory of the circumstances which bad induced the government to issue the letter of the SSth of October , and of the causes which , in the opinio * of the government , bad chitfiy contributed to the recent diatress . Under the circumstances of the case , it was-not

      necessary for the government to apply for a bill ef indemnity , bat they felt that they stood amenable to-the judgment of Parliament for the course which they bad ' pursued . The governmeat iu what it had done found itself between two fires . One party stood ready toblame it for not sooner enterfering with the act of 1814 ,. aad another for attempting to interfere with it at all . It would be for the ene party to-show that an earlier interference would not have been prejudicial , and far tha otter to show that no benefits had resulted from that / interference when it did take place . There were otherswho attached blame to the government because the in . terfefence , when it did take plaee , bad net gone mucbt further ; bnt the government felt that if it bad taken * greater departure than it did take from the bill of

      I 8 « , it would have been acting against its OwnconviC * tioas , believing , ss it did , that that act embodied the sound principle for the regulation of tbe currency , an * that in the main its operatio » had been- most beneficial , although the government was quite ready tcwlmit that circumstances might arise ia which it might be found wanting , Tbe alarm and panic whochrecentlyprevailed were such that no Bank Act could have prevented the revulsion whicb ensued . It wastherefore no eendemna . tion ef the Act of J 8 W that it bad not prevented . it . The government had interfered because it beleive * that the circulation of the country was paralysed by tho alarm and panic from which it became necessary to-nelieve it . In tha opinion of the- government the- cause eft ' the pressure Which was felt was tUs ,. that there was ; , in-18 ( 6 ,

      an nneaampHd drain of available capital acting ona state of credit most unduly expanded . "She right honourable gentleman then went into a lengthened account oft railway transactions in 1846 j the commencement of the present year , aad 06 the policy of tbe Bank during that period , ' animadverting with some severity , om the conduet of that institution , for at one time unwisely letting ont ks-ressrw , and at another suddenly . curtailing itsopesationsby raising the rate of interests The first failures that took place in August last-were those hoates engaged in . the cent , trade—failures which were : scarcely to be-wondered ) at ; considering tbe extraordinary fluctuations which had takem place in the price of ' coin—and failures-which , in his opinion , were solely attributable to the miscalculations of-those engaged in tho

      com- trade . Hb- considered it unfortunate that the Bank had come to the decision in . September to advance to-the 14 th of October , on Exchequer bills , at five pin cent .. That low rate of interest haeVefieoted but little alteration in the business of the Bank itself , hut it acted prejudicially inuring an ill-gronndedconfideuce to many parties-connected with the money market .. U p to the month of October last-there was-no inadequacy of bank note circulation , nor was there any difflculty . in obtaining that accommodation ntnally given in the shape ofrdisdounts-by the Bank .. The pressure ,, as-he had already . said , had been caused by . the abstraction from trade of available capital . To show the extent : to , which this abstraction had taken place , the right boa , gentleman first adverted to the amount which bad been drained away

      by puehases of . aorn . during , tbe last fifteen months . The first cost of the corn imported from 1818 to January , 1847 ; VHis-iiSi 139 ) G 6 & , of that : imported from January to Jane ofithis year £ . U , 180 , C * 9 ,. and of that imported frem JuljHo October aeiess ttea . & i ^ ityOOO , making , in all £ 3 S ( C 9 « i 00 l-pihjt for corn , during the last fifttenmonths . With the same view he then adverted to the enoimbus railway expenditure which bad taken piece since the year-1811- . This was one of the chief causas-oftthe pre . sentni 8 tress ,. it being impossible that solace a . portion of the ' floating capital , available for trade should be converted * into fixed capital without a pressure being caused ; As to the failures- which bad occurred , parties aoconnted for them in two different ways , One party attributed : them to the stringent

      operatloniO & tte Bank Aotj which curtailed , the-circulation . jAnothereto the undue abiteactlon of available capital ,. land tbs-nndue expansion , oS credit . He left tbe house , ' to . jndeo to whichoffthesa they werftjnstly , to be attrh buted ^ remindin 6 ; them . tha * he had akeadj shown thatthe bank-note ciioujationiwas not taaforiaUy contrac-Sed whsathis took place .. On tbe last two . days of Septsm-. ¦ be » the demartdi for accommodation on the Bank ^ had inewased to « v extraordinary degcee , and ctuseitha Bank to mate tte announcement , which , at that time-, had created so . great a sensation , ia the city . Shortly after this , the gove ' rament heard-of the failure of some of the nroiincial banks , and of the formidable rcn which bad tahea place on one of the branches of the Bank of England ; In , addition to ibis , it was also eader-stood th ' at ' apjliaatioa bad-been made to tbe Londoa . ; banks by

      some « i the Scotch banka fos- asslstanctx-Ia , this state cf things , appealing to these most convaraant with oomme » cia " i matters , the goievninent found th & t the opinio * was very general that a serious calamity would ensae , unless the government took some steps to restore confidence . It was with' reluctance thai he csme to tte conclusion that it was imperative oa the government to interfere . The accounts received' oa , the - Thursday and Friday , previously to the Saturdayi on * which ; tho government bad acted , were very dif £ »« Bt ' a » to the state of things from those which had bees received bei ' sis . In determiaing to act , two suggestions were made to tha government—tha first to authosisean addltUnal Issue of notes , butto limit this additional'issue'by a ceitain nmonat . The other , that the limit shouldbe put on

      the minimum rate of interest . The latter appeared tte batter suggestion , and the government determined 'that tight per cent , should ba that minimum ;! that , under the ciicamstanoes , appearing to be the -most desirable limit . Unless the rate of interest fixed bad been high , the importation of capita ) ana bnllion would have been checked . TheremovaVof panic was the end which the government had in view , and the step which they took was in their opinion the best calculated to secure it . He'dlsagree ' d wltb'those who alleged that it would have , been better to bave left it to the Bank to fixthe rate of interest . " The result of the Interference which had takvnplace bad beenpromptaadbeneficlal . He was happy to state ' that orders were- now : coming in from abroad that the demand for cotton waa increasing , and

      thatthe prospect ef the manufacturing districts were improving . In addition' to this , the ' exports to the United States we ' re considerably on the increase , and the general trade of the country was being rapidly restored to a sound and healthy state . It Was urged by seme that the interference should have taken place earlier , but , in his opinion ! by such a course the end of interfering would not have been attained . " : It was maintained again by others , but he conceived erroneousl y , that whes they did act they should have acted more largely , anri adopted a more extended system of circulation and cur . rsney . The right hon , gentleman proceeded at some length to show that free trade was not answerable for it , as some affected to suppose—pressures as severe having afflicted tbe country when the protective system vat is its glory , go Ujin entailed th « acts of 1819 aui

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      1814 . The former bad been attacked in its day with as much virulence as tho latter , but those who now object to it mere fortunately tew and select . And when , ia future years , the people of this country took a calm surrey of the events- which were now transpiring , they would attribute but a small portion of our present diffl . cutties to the latter , It was objected to the act of 1844 that it bad not saved us frem revulsions in trade . But no one who expected that it would do so had any great knowledge of tbe motives which generally actuated those engaged in tbe pursuits of commerce . But he thought that some such inquiry as that now proposed before a committee of tbe house was absolutely indispensable in

      the present state of the public mind . It was desirable that the proposed committee should be constituted 0 / persons ef various opinions , whose conjoint labours might result in throwing some light on the complicated problem sought to be submitted to them . It was not the intention of ' the governmeat to propose any measare embodying < he principle contained in the letter of the 25 th of October—the state of the Bank being now such ss to render it highly improbable that any legislative interference should be necessary . The right hon . gentleman concluded a speech which occupied nearly two hours and a half , by moving for the appointment of the committee .

      Mr J . Wnam moved an amendment , limiting the inquiry of the committee to 'how far the recent commer * cial distresses been affected by the laws regulating the issue of bank-notes payable on demond , ' aad in doing so agreed with the Chancellor of the Exchequer as to the imperative necessity which existed for the appoint , ment of the committee . But he deprecated extending the inquiry of th « committee to subjects not immediately connected with the great question which was now agitating the public Grind . He would confine its inrestigation to tbe subjects of banking and currency . There was a want of conBdenee in the existing law which would not be removed oatil a thorough inquiry took ptace ,, and a report favourable to tho law was- obtained froi * tbe committee , Thero were also several points to

      whieh . the public mind was , now alive , the first of which had reference . to . the allegation that those who contended for t &< r convertibility of banknotes wished to fie the price of gold . - But he denied that by attaching to- aa ounce of goM-tbe nominal vales-ef £ 317 « . 10 jc \ , they , in reality , fifcedits price . The pm point . , bad referenceto the usury lans . - Much inconvenbnee was felt fronv the fact , thWa portion , of those laws had been suffered still to' exist , and he believed thai the committee , if appointed , worto * so report , , The paDllb * were , also becoming more generally convinced off the- necessity of maintaining a single standard of vahw . Great inconvenience had , lately been experienced bf tte importers of the precious Betafe , who recently found' that they could not exchange-silver for notes , An ides was ,

      therefore , abroad that the Bank of England ' shoald be allowed te issue notes-on silver , whilst it would be obliged to pay them , ia > gold . But this would be like permitting .. the Bank ,, to \ . issue notes on sugar or any ., other , . , oqmfhqdit y , . ffoctuatlng in vaiUB ,. He di * not Jtbink ; that the legislature had acted with oV cretion in allowing the Bank to hold any pbrtibaof ' tsbuliroa in silver ,, at the time of the passing of rtie aotf . There was another idea gaining ground , to tneeffeote that the . Banb , - in order . tp have mors power to correct the foreign , exchanges , Bhoold always retain in its handsa certabv . portion of the seeurltiies of foreign stater ,-But sucir seewities were mew efficient , as the meansef correcting the foreign exchanges , tn the bands ofart .-vate bankers than in those of tte Bisnb of England . A %

      to the Bank Act of 1811 , hopes had certainly been held ' out that its- tffeoi would be materiall y to lesson the prav babiUcy of over spesulation , and of extreme flactuav tion in prises r- that it would check the fluctuations * which had taken place in tbe oominoy , and diminish the chances oS panic and pressure . "Shat these expectations had been iti ' -manded the eveits- of the past two years amply proved . The fundamental error of that aet was that ttose who framed it confounded capital with circulation ; currency with button ,. The object which it had ba ViBW was to regulate tte internal cliouiatian of the country by the foreign exchanges-, But this they should not attempt to do , nor should they do soeould it be doner successfully . The Hon . gentleman then proceeded to show that the act in question had

      failed in most of the- objjects which it war enacted to accorapSsh . The BaaU < had failed 1 b attempting to expand Of contract its-speculation at pleasure , as-it- was alleged 1 that under the act it could readily do ; . Hfr totally denied the powwofthe Kank so to affect itsctreulattoniwhen it pleased , The . act was based also upon the assumption that Immediate convertibility was nota sufficient guarantee * against the depreciation of tBe bank-note ; But the convertible-bank-note could not'fee ¦ issued in excess , and be therefore maintained that'its-; immediate convertibility was- a > ' sufficient * gqar * ntee jagoinst depreciation . TKe-hon ; [ pjatleman feBta'showed * ifrom- recent experience ., the impossibility of'the-Bank

      jbeihg-able ^ to-contractitB oirculatioB , as it was-intended ' : to-doj . in'the face of am adverse- foreign exchange .- Hithought that sufficient attention had not been given by jthe legieiatore to the subject of Bank deposffs . Thpy 'bad fallen into-the error of almost excluslveJ ^ conflnlng jtheirattention to the sabjsct of circulation- He was . not sanguine that aay thing which thohouso or proposed icommittee could do conld preirent- the recurrence of ) orlses-like the present . Bnt he was sanguine-that , by < ; giving tbe public the fullest information that parliament could afford it , tho house-would pat it in the-powerof j | thepublio , by , their owa ' efforts , materially ts-mltigate suob crises in future . .

      '; Mr T . B-UBHO-dehiedithat the existing pressnre- was jjustly-attribut & ble either to o ' ver-rradlng or to-a want of icapltali Hb likewise denfed' that- the Bank of { England ; had overtraded with ) the government deposits , and ex . pressed his surprise thatsuch a charge should have been pr eferred against it by . a-Cbanceltor-of the , SSuhequer who at < the comraencement of this year had'bo- over-; traded-in Bicheq « er Bills as-to reduce themt ' ite-a die . Icreditable rate of interest . He believed that there- had been a great , overtradingJn corrr ^ : but the govsrnment 'was the cause ofit , fo-N 3 uclBg ^ th » - * » hole of last session it was passings measures ; under the impress ! dn- < th & t it was almost impossible , to get corB enough to aopply our wants . lie knew well that for . years-past . colonial property , bad-been constantl y depreciating , 'bufreven . the

      pressure ansingefror * that cause ,, especiallyv so far as tbe West InoUes were concerned , was attributable to the mensures-oi Ministers . After the euloi * iuBi < which Sir 0 , W-oodbad bestowed on'the 4 > Hl of lSliihewasaur . prised toSad that lie proposed to inquire Into-its opera , tion ; but'his surprise was dfrniaished wbenbe found at the closaof bis spaecb that be wished to correct the composition of the -Bank directory . Tbe strongest condemnation of rthe net ef Uiil which he admitted that he had hi-aaelf suppcited whea . it was first proposed , was to . be found , in the following ' facia ;—that it had not . prevented ' the crisis ; that it- bad not checked it after it had oeouiredI ; anil ) that an in . fringesant of its provislcnB- ba ' d become absolutely necessary . Sir-JJ ; Wood had-proposed a ^ coramittee to inquire i » to , Its operation and into all other questions .

      What would be- the resnltof such a cosamitleet That-, the bvideneo would be reverted withont / anyreport from-, the comnjittee—that the . g $ vernment wonld take the reccst . for , delibsration- ^ and that tho country wonld bs left , undsr the strSetregulation , of an actwhich had / been tried and feund wanting in , one Important'particular . Ho , than , proceed » d to show that much oviliwoaW have been remedied 3 f 3 > he government letter had been-Written three weeks earlier , and ifi the . rate of iiuerest bad not been , titti so high as eight pp cent . He , could not go wil , Mngly intothis coniKltteeunlesthotecelved an assurance , of what tte government intended to do in case a oriels , ishouldioacur during ; its . eoatinuance , . B ) e thought : that ! a discretion shouldbe given to tba government nnd « the jBank directors to , suspend the aat- ofr 1814 until this , 'question of the currency' was settled one way or , tha ¦ otter-i

      ; MaHoBiNeoKdindno expectation , that tho labours-of jthe proposed committee would lead'to anything- satisfac-. : to » j , nor wouldi hewintertain any hope of the country , so . ltvsg as it ponleted ; in' the iasano policy nilsefilled-fcea-( trade , ' - ' . ' ¦ •'' - ¦ . - ¦¦ : < . ¦ Sir W , > XoiftawoBTH contended that tha pecuniasy : embarrassments oi tbe country , were to he attributod-to i artificial sanses , and eould-nbt be traced to ' aay , defii >» ww ; y of curreacy . It Wisnot aujAsacy we s tcod , jnnetd-of , but capital .. We ought ; tttrnfoio ' to diminish , the demand for cajltal and ti incMas »\ tte supply of itr ^ aad i this could , oply . be done by putting a atop to . the cohsivuetion of railways on which , capital was « pended . and by attracting it from othes- conntrieB to Sxoat Erltnin by the- temptatien of . large interest . ' He thought that the

      conduct of . the Bank hadbrojight tbe country into peril , and that no cenBurs could be dastuponths government for-the advice it had- tendered to that establishment on tjieSfltbof October . One wordfrom tte government on that occasion haja . settled "^ he panic- and had res ' tbroBl ' confidence . Bat nothing : which th » j could do at present could relieve us entirelyfcom embarra 8 Bment fop the causes of that embarraBsmDnt were beyond their ton ' , trol , and we must live like » en who bid / expended oujf means until . wo had restored them b y economy . Sir William gave ^ the following , description of the railway mania , to which , he- attrituted the greater portion of our ' yeoent pecuniary embarrassments . Two or three years ago , the . cbmmercial affairs of the country hadbe « nin a moat ' flourishing condition . . Trade bad

      been thriving , the labouring , classes bad been full y employed , capital bad been steadily flowing into the conntry , thei treasure of the Bank of England bad reached a greater amount than had ever been antlelpated , consols were at par " , the rate of interest for short perioda on the best securities did not exceed twp-auu-a . haU per cent , In fact , money was a drug . At that moment the success ofoneortwo great lines of ' railroad directed public at . tion to raiironds ^ as profi table investments for . capltalj their poncr . pf facilitating production , and economising capital ; , the lighthing . Uke speed of their passenger trains . } : the pBrtainty that they , must ultimatel y cover the face of the country , that every town of any Import .

      ance and every district possessing either agricultural or mineral wealth , must sooner or later have its railroadall tbis had engendered such a fever for railroad specution , that but few had escaped the contagion i one-half the community had been occupied , in forming projects for rallroad , s , calonlatlng Imaginary traffic tables and survojicg tho length , and the breadth of the land the other half had busied themselves in buying and selling scrip . . Menaud women of every class aad grade in so . ciety , from the . peer to the peasant-one-half the House of Lords , three-quarters of tho House of Commons , had engaged in th / ass transactions . ( Hear , hear . ) Men with small capitals had embarked in them , in the hope of Increasing their scanty tacomej—awn nUhout capUal

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      expecting rapidly to acquire the fortunes they never could obtain by honest and patient industry ; and men with broken fortunes , crippled with 'deb ' t ; trftdirrs on fictitious capital ; swindlers in tbe garb of merchant princes , impostors and deceivers of the public , bad clutched at these speculations , in tho hope of putting off the day of reckoning , and postponing for a time the inevitable crash . It mattered not where the railway was to be . Railroads over desolate moors , through decayed towns , to harbours without commerce ; railroads up impracticable gradients , and through impossible tunnels : railroads in Spain , railroads in India , railroads

      in Canada , all had found eager purchasers for scrip at a premium . Successful speculators had been crowaed and worshipped . Thousands and thousands of pounds had been subscribed on their honour . They had been travestied into ststetmen , and a net-nork of iron bad been prescribed as the remedy for the famine and misery of a starving people . In that wild and universal worship of tbe demon of speciilBtfon a large portion ot tbe community had undertaken to provide witbin a limited period of time a greater amonnt of capital than they themselves possessed , or than tbe country could have immediately spared for permanent investment . ( Hear ,

      hear . ) MrCiYLET observed that tho statement of the Chancellor of ths Exchequer had given blm no satisfaction , nor . was it likely to give any to the country . The commercial classes had now a right to look for the 1 m . mediate suspension of the Bank Act . It was not the time when a house was on fire to investigat e into the qualities of the water which was about to be ; osed for Its extinction , nor wm it the time when the coautrj was suffering from the net of IfHi to leave ii in active operation , with all Its sins upon its bead , whilst they wasted

      ten , twelve , or eighteen months in investigating by a comsaittee into itsnatvreand action . The Government had vindicated their conduct , in limiting the Bank to a minimum rate ot interest of eight par cent ., on tte ground that thereby they wowfd draw foreign capital into the country ; but if that was fteir object , they had better have left the puipose alone . Mr Ukqcvmit moved the adjournment of the debate . The debate was then adjourned ! till Thursday ; and as there was no important business wfi the paper for Wednesday , the boose , on the suggestion of liord 3 . Russell , aojournflO * till Tnorsday . ' . ' ,- ' . '

      THUBSDAY , Dec . 2 . HOUSE OF tOwB-S . —The Marqufs of ttntvpwm ' moved for the appointment of i select comraittee , slmU ftr to that proposed hi the House of Commons j viz ., to jaqnirelinto the recewScommercial distress , and ; bow far it has beenaflfacted lythfl- law regulating the issae ' of boatt notes payable on demand , Tbe noble rsarquis w » repSed ) to by Lord Staalfey , who , however , c ' onenrr ^ d in tbo-proposltion . Th » succeeding speakerff were Ear ! Grey , Lord Brongham ; tbe Bike of . Graftcfl' , lords AshBD / toii , ^ lia ton , ahd . W & 'srnc'iffe . ¦' •"' . " The notion was screed to . .,, ' . ^ THURSDA 1 ?; BSWf . 8 .

      HOU ^ OF COMMONS . —The only important ; Totteineis of the evening , was thai continnatien of tbff ad ' journed deflate on the appointment of the committea-on the currensy question . The dSnailsion was opened by Mr Urqnhartt » rho was followed' by IffirXllice , Mr Newdegate , Mr Kltfchell r lir H . Drurarflond ; Mr Macgregov ,-Mr Sandars , SifW . Clay , MrMaBternian OBfl MrBlewitt - again the debate was adjourned , { Fiom mir-Wrd Edition oflaifviett . ) .

      H 0 USJ 5 OF lOBWS ; Fm » a . —BABsHJBfi ^ pvesehted copies- of tHe corres . pondence between' the government and the Sank on the-rate of discount ^ , whe n the noble eorl stated * the cir . cumstances attending the transaction in- quettiba , A conversation followed , ' -but no- business wasirangaeted , H 0 U 5 H-OI *' COMMONS . PaitfMf . — -On the motion of Mr Iiabocefcere , a ? mJect committee was appointed to-consider if cvyraUd what improvements can be adopted ia > the mode oi < conduettng tiie private-business of th'e honsev '

      Tfe Biro AUD THE HiltwiW . —The Cnj ^ rcfttietf or TtwBS * HtcSrjiB , in rtplyto Mr Bwart , as to whether it was intended to give the Bank-of England" authority to increase it ? issues beyond : the amount of £ l ) j 000 ; ot 9 in consequence of the voicPcaused is the circniation by the r « cenf failbve of private * bank * , stated that bVbad not received' -any-application fronVthe Bank ' on the-subject . Therig * t'hdff . 'gBDtleman , ifl an" explanatory speech , movecVfor'Ieave to bring in a-bili'to extend the elite for the parchaseoffond and ttexomplctioa of the wviHb of those MHwayswMehhaveottamed the sanction ' of the Iegiilatove . -anti ' ElBoforthe prohibitiou / for a limited time , uponthe directors of those railways- whose works are not commSBcedyfrom commencing ; the same nntil the consent ' of- x given propgrtfon o £ ' tb * "ihareao $ iero shall hft = rt been obmined , After a short discussion the bill - wos- brought ia and read . a first tinw , and a committee- appointedJonrailway bills .

      [ A dijcBMton on'the caseeftbeex-Rajaiviof Sattars , - ! arising oct of a raotioo of Mr . Home ' s for- ' papers , ia i , which several hon . ' members toa & tpart , coacluded t & ejMisiness ofthe sittings .

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      MR'WBST S-TOUR-. Ibmylask'Iipromioed-an account of my-visit te > Xfewbands . On the Saturday evening 1 ) proceeded-1 » tbe estate and'spent the nigbt under the hoapitable-roof of M * and Mrs-Renhasav On tha Sunday morning I proceeded to visit the occupants ,- and itx Ifting tuefirsHiraelfaad seen anyofthe Qdtnpany ' spreperty , I naturally experienced considerable excitement . Ifoadforra *^ seme id » ofitue-plac «; nut , Iosust say , is far-exceeded my most sangaine expeetationa . Tbe < deV ^ stful gituatioii 3-o £ f the cottagesj . and their piotwesquo appearance , was-most striking . After accompanying . Mr Reniam . and / MrEord OTST their allatments , awd viewinstheirnne-pigB and dwhs , I visited' my old friend AekJara , w * aonr Lhad

      kaownrin-BBamstey . He was in . the beat oi » piritp , aadJooked the picture- of perfect health- His allotment is na-anadvaased state of < cuUivationi . He baa-three pigs :: and both , ' hiaseelf'and , wife expressed themselves as , * tappy a * 4 beday ; i 8-long . "| i ne ^( visitedi 3 tr » iier . Lfie--rlball him fa tmtrf for , to ray-mind , his ailotmeivft'ia the beat laid , out that I visited . Bis wheat was all ia ,. and . beautifully trenched . Ha has two-fine Eons-toassiafcr him . i asked him if-he'would ) like tcgo back to the . factswy li Hiitanawer wasr Vl ^ o ; . ; Dhave bee * in threai tactories for < twenty-o & 0 > -years ^ : and I > think . I , hare iona enougbi , for thess > and I mean to live and die here . '' He took , me rcned hia-ground , and showed JBe-a . fiue fat pig abwt , fourteen score •* eicht , tbe

      finest I saw- upon thaestate . ISnquired-ofliis wifeandidaughierf 'if UMy . wishett > to . gobaol $ ito ' LancaB Isbiref ' r They , said ,,, 'No , we , are contented aadi 'happy . ' _ . Iinext visited Desnis , from ifottinghara , and found him cocrtruetinga * placafor-his rabbitsv He has-a most spiendid cro ^ . of potatoes . ;; his cabbages and winter crops are as- fine aa . any . I have seen on nay travels ,, Ilasked MtsJJennia . ' how she-liked it ? ' She . repliedw'Ohl Mjr West ; : tell theniwhen yomgo hackee-Nottingham , that though Lam turned three score and two , li would nat . go back for . jSlOO / - We were here joinedibyv Hershaw . and . seme-more ofi tho allottees , and it > was pleasing to witness the-3 sjnd Greetings of tha- neighbours ,, and their , inquiries as

      tohftweach was-gettin & on . , Ilproceededi to friend . Addison s „ from Manonester . Mrs Addison received , me very kindly .. Their crop of potatoes is- truly , amazing . There was . one fine specimen that-Iicavetedj but he told me thafcwas for I $ ankin , oi Mancheste *; and , a » I could naUpromise to convey il . safe , Iiwould not take , it Ijsaon , however , got another ; . basides otbersfronj . different parties , that 1 ' hare eshibited in Bev . onshin » hand which ( have excifeid , the-astonishment , of , the 'natives . ' Addison siarni : ia well laid ont ; . besides , his pigs , he has a goat in kid , which will abortly , be able to supply hifa , with . B « lk . His , bpy- ^ the . vejry picture of healtWonfcr * Bte ; strongly with the , poor , factcaw slaye- HieEe : l wasjoinei by a Wn-Morgan , from Worcester , airier , and a . sharehaldter : who ; with

      some-criends * came oyer to gee the estate and jsrtee for ; himself » He accompanied me' lonnd tbe estato . Oa ourwajr . he enquiwd if any were disposed ioseU their ,, all ^ ments ? f ^ es , Jj doa ^' mind . 'V sajs ^ eN shawv , 'Boy much do . yon want for it ? ' l 4 a 00 i ' was-ihe reply rtJ . ana 1 would jaofe : taHe a sixpence tess ^ We Tisited Mr Glarke ' s allotment , which we found in a forward state of wHW ' atibh . I next visitedXIharleaWorai Jrom . Sialybridge . I found bim at bja dinner .. As . Iibaew him , before , I asked him * how he liked it V '; 'He replied , \ Yery well . ' I askedhim , 'Didhetlnnk . it rffoiild an & wer ? —as I knew he left aigood' business ' in Stalybridge . His answer was , d » % vWeftVril try . ' , : Me : next visited Suter and his family—be took ns

      rohnd and showed us his farming , and explained to ua how he waa making an experiment . on ' Sillett ' s Plan . ' Ue ^^^^ seeraed to beiextremtf ^} SejBrM |' - . aB also , his good . wifc—indeed ,-all the ' wtoen ' whouVl : qQeationed asemed and expressed . ' ihemselves "; ytell contented with their situation , and I take , them to . be a gdo . d authority on such a sulaeotV fAfter seeiBg Jais pig and other things , I proceeded toMrBig ' gj . whom we found conversing with a ' neighbour ; JLt seems that hispotatoes had been very much dia © as « rLand he seemed much , dowwast ~ he said he h \ K touch anxiety about the coming winter . We foiwd , howeyer , that . hehai three pigs feeding , besides a sow with a young htte ^ and he aoknow . ledMd he had a sack of flour in the , house , besides taeai to fatten bis

      Pigs ; ma wimewropa also looked welU We pointed this out to him . His answer waa ^ I work hard , and 1 nnd lean jat more than when 1 was in London , but I ain't afraidTll want , * Thia was ihe only man we met who was the least disheartened , yet he won't on any terms part with his holding . We proceeded on to severaIIothers , 1 but spae * will not let me particu \ ati 8 u them , We fttxt vii ' ied the school , from whence we had a splendi fisr . Mr Morgan minutely examined everything M he told me that he had been informed that tlie buildings were mere shells , that would last but a verv short time . He expressed himself yery welt satisfied with all that he saw , and said that he waa well repaid for hid visit . ¦ There is one thing that I must mention , thatthe turnips , from heron wmn . so late , are a perfeok Ir ' ailu - . « , - "Ueuham and 0 ta aw ite & w wwa up . Xu <

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      allottees ^ told me that I mast state hbta tn 2 bnf h « truth-they are the best judges whether ^ in tffibrirf account I have done so or not ; Iretorned t 0 Glon cester with Mr . Gny and a party of friends . S pleased with my journey , and secretly wishing thatil bad been my lot . to be cast amongst them " * On Monday Lproceeded to , Exeter , where I warmly and hospitably received by onr true-he , Jf ! friend , ? . J . O'Brien , late of PlfmoXand ffi wall ; the large , room of the Athenaeum fa fin building ) , had been taken for a meeting , and as fth was the first time there had been a public meeting on the Land question , the excitement and curio-df ! were very great . In the evening Mr O'Brien ' s band escorted me from Havill ' s Temperance Hotel to thn place of meeting , which was then densely crowded

      hundreds not being able to gain admission . Thafc good friend of the working classes , W . J . P . Wilkin son , Esq ., late mayer of Jfixeter , was called to tha " chair , aBd opened the business in a dignified , clear and explicit manner , commenting with great minute ! ness on the various points of the Land Plan . I addressed the meeting for nearly two hours , and at the close , a Mr Teague , reporter to Woolmrr ' b Gaeetie , put a series of creations , which were taken down in writing , all of which I answered . Several other persons seemed disposed to put other questions bnt the proprietors o the Room said that ten o ' clock was the usual time for closing , and as that hour had now arrived , they could not allow the discussion to proceed further . At tbis I expressed great rear **

      but promised that on my nest visit I wonld allow all parties to put . their questions first , and fouad my lecture on the answers to Iheir objections , On Tuesday I went to visit the grtwads of Mr Bryant of Heavitree , wfoo has obtained a patent for discoveries in agriculture , and agricultural irupiements , by whic & he purposes tc Make the very worst land , in font years , equal to t & ebest , and pay tea per cent , while ; hi the transition state . I saw some ef hfs operations : which were very ingrettious . He wished 1 ttfe Company ; to take advantaee of it , and I instructed him to enmmshicate with tnw directors on the snnjeet . At Btght I met themerofersfof the LandCoalpany , and heM a mpst interestine ttreeting . Mr Potts exhibited a rery interestingr pfafn'of a four-roomed cottage ,

      wneirff wag agreed fhatlteslKHild construct » mdel and a * Bmit it to Mr Ctfonnor . I mentioa » thesff wings , to show , the interest that is take-in the ? land . ' Plan by tBer people 0 f Devoav I should also mention that the ftsnlt ' of my lecttrre- was the taking up'oif twenty-eight shares . On Wetraesday I accompan ^ tl Mr HaviH to CoHumpton , wbere I found the poof men ( weave « rand combers ) , dreaffnlly oppressed by one man , a Mir Upcott , a manufatetBrer , who is'kine of the town . The brave men of Tiverton , to the number of twenty , came over to asafet their brethren , and with a fefltf of music played' np to the Odd JeJlows * Room , where I had a verr good meetinjr . with very , good resnrts . On Thursday Ip ^ beeeded to Tiverton , tbe scene of

      my iriend Julian Harney ' s triumph . They had got the Guildhall ior two lectures on the ronditkm that Isfeold introduce no politics . I had an' interview , witlV the mayor , win , stated to me tfe terms . I replied , that aa my frienrfs had given tieif word , I felt myself bound in Honour to abide by infer * agree ment . 1 had a fine nwetlhg at night-r-MrR » wcKl 1 e , Town CenDcillor , in tfta chair—and lectured' on tho Land' Plan for two hours * ,, and gave evident satisfaction . Oh the Friday , asrit ' was-ftnown Mr Wilkinson snd'M ' rO'Brien from Etet ' er wonld attend , to-hold » meetihff on the Charter , $ was agreed thatweabould assemble in the Guildha" !; . and after half aa' hour adjourn to the large room of ' the * Half Moon > IhD * Wediaw . ' afflffiad a splendid meeting which lasted

      till nearly onetfclock—Messrs * O'Brien and Wilkin * son made ; mosf effective speeches-, , with which- the meeting seemed * highly delighted . Mr Harney has kindled a-fire bore which vnU'riofbo easily extin * - guishedi- Lord' Balmeraton Sad' bettfar look out in < time fev > another seat at the next election , for it is evident the Tivertesians will harerhita no more-in . > fact they- are-as-Snea set of fellbws as- ever I met . Ii returned to Exeter > 3 > nd proceeded = with Mr O'Brien-; to Teignmoutb ,. where 1 met ouTfridnd'Bdwards and ' jMr Crews , and afterarranging some county business-U'proceeded'to Torquay * where UhfHd ' a most important dUoussion on Monday night , of which I shall give an account next week . —JoHivWfcBii MEBiHVB / fmviii-Hitt the weeSiy . - meeting of thd

      second branch-of this town , after as ¦ able > add « 88 de * limed by Henry .-Thomas Cooper , the-following resolutions-were carried-: — 'That it ii-the opinion of thia meeting , thatthe hireling press-gang ought to OS Judged in theicewn baatilea- ; and fed upon its pauper fare for ten years , by .-whieh time it is surmise * they wouV 4 be brought into their-senses . * 'That it is-ths E pinion ofthis meeting that the press-gang , tbeenderand « d supporters of the--Maithusian creed , ought-to be ths first partakers of th ? f rnits of its -operation , 38-they belong to the true swplus classj ' - ' 'That our jcharapien , F . O'Connor , is entitled to ournnbounded ' ponfidsnee , and we tender our sincere and niost ^ de--. Voted thanks to him for-th » able manner-he has re * pelled the attacks of his and ' our enemies . ' Mr

      ¦ Manning , ef Carding recentlyiectured tothe membeitr-. of No . Boranch , on 'the Land nnd its capabilities . ' IHewaslftudiy applauded .- Mr-Mi delivered a second ^ ectute en the Charter . Mr- Matthew Johwdeliveredi ja lecture on the Land-Plan to branch Ne . 3 \< The-( lecture was highly- interesting . - | Whhasw—Mr MiGrath lectured in the Mechanics' ' jHall , in this town , on Tuesday-evening week * Mr j M'Gratbspoke for-about two-hours , wife . his usual earnestness ,. after which he answered a > number o £ ¦ Iqneationof to the fall- satisfaction ot biimudience . I Votes of thanks having been given to the chairman iand lectiner , the ejecting after having given three . ¦ cheers-for the Charter , the Iiand , and 0 ! Coaner , separated . ¦

      . Daovi £ szH .-r-At ^ meeting called tobeavaieetnTd from Dr Hi'Douall , but at whieh from seme unex * plained c & ase the doctor did not attend , lbs-fallowing : . resolution proposed by . Mr Damson , seconded by Mr ! Ss Taylor ^ . was catriedunanimwsly : r- * That it is tha ¦ o pinion of the members of tho Droyhden . branch of » tne National Land Cumpanj > that the-vile * aad glanderous Abuse heaped upon Mr O'Connor by the ^ prostitute pw ss * is-an . attenipt . to stop the marc h of 'Democracy' amongst the .: people ? by singling out one jwho - has always-shewn , himself the enemy . of all jabuses ; we ,, therefore , feel it a duty onour . part , to

      express our- , turn andlastingjcaafidence iaiMr 0 Con . " - inor , and thank hisa . for . holding ' up to scorn and ' 'derision tlie editors- o $ the Bbbhoh , Iioxn ' s , th ©; 'ExiMwua , and the rest of the press-gang . ' " . LKDnuaii ?«» On Monday evening the 22 nd ult ., a » meeting of the Landmember & washeJd in Ledbury . Mr W .-Srayth . was called to the chair , Mr £ l MfGoruack from Stockport was-p . resent ^ nd . urged the necessity bf form jig . a , Wati « Bal Charter- Association ,, in con * junction with the-National Association in London .. Mr J . Bennett w ^ s appointed . presioeat , and Mr , A ., finish secretary .. A rote of ; thanks-was passad to \ Mr M'Cormack and the chairman .

      TonaoRD . BN . —At a meetihg . of the ^ nembers oft tha National Land Company ^ the following resolution was carried unanimously . ' That having seen- in . tha MANGflps . . JiXAHiNBB ^ fnan time to time , statements to the effect , that they , wera : writing only for the benefit ot the operative and labouring eiass , so tb . at . they wouid use nothing butckuth anoMaimess in ex-posing errpr , we think , it tha-duty of the editor of the lix ^ t ^ R to pubJah the aesolutions agreed toat a public meeting held in tha-Odd Fellows' HaU » Tadmordes K October 21 st , and sent to tint , office ., % also think it tha duty ofi them to nublish tha

      latter . para . of R . Owttor ' a letter to Joshua . ilobson i that unless this be done ,, we * will publicly burn tha saidp . ap . ej at the nextLaud m £ eting , fori $ ipg , holding bank , tha triitb , and meanly and basely Q , rqmulgatin & libels- against an iadiyjduiuror the pun ^ ose of breaking , up the National , Land and Labout-Bank . ' ifwsiBK . —Mr § ,, lSsvdd lectured to a nunieroufi audience on -Saturday evening . last in Bank-street ichajel , on ' The objeeUand advantages of the .-Ua * jtinsal . Laud . Company . Mr Hugji , M'Leaa . in tha ichair . .. MrK ^ dd's-addrcss waaoi themostjlpnuea s aid argumeniaiiye character , and elicited entnuai * astio applause . .,. " £ <• ,-- , y

      Grkenwmjh ^ J * o DaerFORD . —Npy . S . ist . Chartisc Meeting Rjodm , 80 , Btftchefrrow ^ Deptlord . Mr . Sweetlore in the chair . '" Th » minute ^ ef the lastmeeting w ^ ro read and confirmed . Mr Brewertoa ' . was elected as permanent delegate to , the metropolitan delegate meeting . Ms Morgaa gave notice of tbe following motion : — . ' That a part oi' the time o £ each meting be occupied in discussion or reading and that the first subjeolfor discussion , be 'The Re * volutions the enactment . : ef the People ' s Charts * wouidi cause , politically , socially and morally . ' All friends are invited to . take partin the discussion . The fallowing persons aihtrihuted one shilling eaohv fcr the executive : . —Messrs Brewerton , Gibson » mi . Morgan . We hope others will come forwaid- and 8 ub 30 ribeafloordiflgtotkeirmeaM .

      '• " Dok ' casib ' r .-A h ' ranoh of the"Natipnal Qn-opera . tive Beneht'Swiieiy is now opened in this town , nnd persons deaiitous ot being enrolled , are" req ^ eated to call upon Mr John Grimshaw i th ' e ' secretaryjj "Marsh Gate ., ' ¦ ' . '" . ,: " ¦; ¦ / ¦ . Poinoii , SK 4 R FiiKiRK .-r- ' Mr Sa »««\; liydd favoured . us with a visit on Monday wejls ar . d gave us asplendidlectureon the objects and advantages ot the Land Company . The plain bad Simple manner : in which he laid down and defended his several pro ^ positions has won f ° him goldw ' upinions among tha friends of the gooi cause hjs «« v ' Trnl j our Eociety ought to ba'happy in having ihe services of such a man . None of your fellaua who , for the diny dros ? i would lecture upon anyi & hig , ' or for anything , is out friend , Samuel Kjdd % Our meeting was excellent , although'tbe win '' , blew aa 'twould blawn its last , accompanied with . 8 mar > . showers of lain . Our room was well filled . V ....

      Printed V-, Dougaii N'Oowan, Of^16; Great Windii#« Atreef A Llavkiarket. In The Citv Of^Westminster, A. Ttce

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      ; Ofl> .Ce, In The Same Street And Paris...

      ; Ofl > . ce , in the same Street and Parish , for the Pri-prietw . F . rURGlTS O'QOSNOR ,. Esq ., M < P ., and publwhel by WiKuam Ubwitt , of , Mb . " 18 , Charles-atreet , Bjao ; donJ > . ' treet ,: Walworth , in'the paH ' sh ' of St . Marv , « e . « , ng ' . ' on , in the County of Surrey , at the Oftice , So . ) w > Oreat * fflndmUl-street . Haymarket , In the Cityof v &>* , mlMterT ~ aaturday . December 4 Ul 1817 » . ,-,- ; \

  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), Dec. 4, 1847, page 8, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/ns2_04121847/page/8/