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    ¦ _ ^^^ | ^ ^_ M ^ , , ^ T though * itad ^ ablc to assemble those members » ofl W « 6 use ofGo 0 Wnons who usually gave the Go- & SSSSSSSSSM Sriss ^^ rs £ ^« eS Ssar ^ fe m ££ ^ rs % 3 S « ta <« misappretonsfoa aid mama , . & : KtX ^« ' a ^^^ ssfi u £ SS had been personally esttemely anxious that U uieasttre shonW pass in the present session ; and he , beUeved he might venture to say thai he had *& £$££ ¦ ¦& act whatever , in the whole of his ^ ^ ti caVlife Wit h so much reluctance and iregret as InWSSSaVing the n ^ um whieb had ^ been ^ hto 6 sed * for « l ^ amendment of the representation •^< le * pe © pieil So me-misappreiension also appeared ¦ ft #% * ist witnissgara to the conduct of tte < a »« m ment on ^ tf tfulation o £ church-rates . It had been thought by some that he had expressed an opinion tba ? thehereby " monarchy of this country was tied up witBSBe ^ inaintettatKJ © of church-rates . r h ^ cfrtainly ,-ne ^ er ; iixtended t «) say anything : of th 8 SdTbntahfldB ^ d ^ at if African . institutions / SeftUote 4 , Ceyr aght . : b ? Tery ;; useful where they ^ SSI & i ^ inant - ; m nqt ^ o ^ becau ^ certain ^ . ^ Swei ^ ne . m the . pnijte ^ Spates , | he same ' thuilsiconU -fee done with safety and wisdom here 5 Helaa anlbpiiiion on tbe subject , of church-rates ** B *» waS * lie opinion he had entertained before , namel - lhatit' ^ oulSnot ^ be very difflculfcfor the Government to propose some measure for a final settlement of ' p # JJafchaving this object in view , he had ' tt wasnotk liia power to give his assent to bill brought in by Sir W- Clay , inasmuch as appeared to him to leave si ^ eral ' qiiestMMS unset ' ti & kwa . it would be desirable , in dealing * i &^ ^ que ^ n , t 6 consider the 61 aims of all par 'tiesJ- ilSe ^ ie lord then leferred to the appoint - & # lWQtM .: He 8 aid thath 1 therto the tfOnfeter at War had also had the colonies under . bis charge .., Ow colonial possessions were numerous -and " theVibusiness connected with .-them required attention . Inattention-was not given to their affairs the- € 6 lt ) nte 9-wereneglectedT tbe people felt aggrieved > TaBKbHifhgainiiglit soon arrive at a state to endange ^ the { integrity of the empire . It became , therefore very grave question what should be dope existing" circumstances , -seeing ; that we had * colonialidependencies , with avast amount of business cenneetedlwith-them , and that a war had broken . fwifchone of the great-military powers of Europe ^ The sD 6 ke « f"Newcastle held the eeal a of the ^ niak 6 ffice >? and in that capacity he had had a deal to do with the conduct of the war . His v friend had , with great industry and great labour made himself thoroughly acquainted with the <» urse of . proceeding * cona-ected with the provision . j for cantyingort . the war . Hew a . most suitable person in every respect to . be , the , W ar ; Miniver this counfcry ; and jt was , from such convictions ? tWparJ 6 <) f ' the Governuj ^ iit that his noble ; , had . been appointed to . the * , nw department . W i -regard to , the vote which Ty-puld be asked from House of Commons to-night , he begged honourable ' gentle « ten' * iOti to' 8 itpposo . that the only thing ^ ' § r td'bedcrtitf'was the Appointment of a new >' MiWisfeft \ 'The appointment was to bo followed a 1 'HeEfaitfarfangGnients arid Consolidations which ' imh ( on ! aio ire ^ Qinmepiaed b ? Jr varjoii s authorities ' but thpaoMrrangements a ^ d ' consolidations could ; Sto ^ ffiftfe : W ^^ ^ M" ty * , muflbbjeht ^ e wprU of tinM ); and although they , ' ) . bocn , recommended by two parliamentary teea , L & nL Grey and Lord Melbourne , who m ' time gave tlio subject much consideration , found ¦ dl'fficaUles fjo considerable , ' that they abstained : iit ¥ d 6 rtaWn ^ ' it . The Government , however , 1 Already ' ' ^ rep ^ red the outline of a scheme 'Thia p \ ifpose , Vhi < 5 h ho shbuld probably ¦! " to \ he ffouao to-night ; but lie might Bay uthft ^ ,. o ^ pifft of i , t . woj » , % \ iab , tl ) o commissariat o yrhv &\ , ww » now ontjirplyv d . i >; ected from Treasury , should hereafter bo ,, placed under Minister of . W ar . Thea thflre woe tUo department of tho Ordnance . The Ordnance Department ¦ hnd'a g * eat tWany duties added to it within the few years ; and he waa aware that great haU anaop . in it from fho want of central power Puux y . iniport & nt matters . Ho referred especially io , erection of barracka aftd other military vWUMa c ^ MLUcy and in , Ir < jlai » d , but especially . eoluuiwa . U was , in x \ vwyt cases , owing to the of central authority , doubtful whether a cortam „ jBoo , dA ^ rp Ppr a given pjurposo should or ^ hould KWflf W After the fl ^ ject hnd been ' jQffl p * fe o » o dpnartpiont ,, it was lwnded S ? £ flr ; , ^ l , i <; h iiit ^ tur ^ referred , it to a wliich roferred it back to one of tl >

    — mitted able t g ° -te mate 33 i s ? form migh nolle frorn do ub the i It 1 foun Z-1 even I i ± inilx ; Hel volv at ] exp < to-n coui Hot The , plat , cese y , thai sem the fori felt his the fori it coll - upc with the - gen - . wb Ho cm ; , -wfa great des , at . , r do , a tn < under no large he out of , ot Colo- sc great noble se , m whole tn qv ct for ej on ac friend W > th £ the X c ] done X War s " by fa had p ; n not t They v had a commit- F their t the , from t had t for t explain i then ,, i , the < the : « had last ¦ difficulties upon to buildinga in tho want pxnot disovor to third , ecnuso , coujd ,. fextifemoly I com-I mitted . The Government , however , hoped to . ^ I bitio able to n » ake arrangements for . next year which oU < would put these matters upon a more complete and map satisfactory footing , and by which the action would ot ^ ti be uniform . The noble lord then entered upon the X , question of the war itself . He said there was no- eve thing known certainly as to the ultimate resolution his - of Prussia and Sweden , but that £ ord Clarendon had told him that the answer which Bussia wa ^ s likelyto had make to the demands recently made upon her by pur the German powers must be one ot these three— ma . either a-negative , or an affirmative , or an evasive to t L answer . He need not say to honourable gentlemen L tlie Uhat there was great , probability that : the jvasive jec [\ form was the one which would be adopted . He ja I might further state that it was the opinion of las - Jifi noble friend , Lord Clarendon , that if the / nswer d » 8 from . Russia was not satisfactory there could be no tac s dotibb whatever that Austria would at once go with sui a *» g ? 8 ZSr £ - '' « Lord JoWs favourite pro- g d found xemarks :-. « The noble lord then said that the fr * \ ??| ffb ^|^ gre ^ struggle with one of the first U u militarV ' powers of Europe , it Would necessarily , in- an te volvV tlifi' cdunjry in a very great and very serious m , t Sp ^ nditure ; a tfd he sh oul d be obliged to give notice g as tonight , on . the part of the Government , that m the pi . ^ y coSfe" of the nW week he should 'apply to the th in House of Common ? for a very considerablejmm . J « ne TKeS bverhment , of course , must trust to the House ** e ! placing confldeace in them withRespect to this n . e---W Si qiityt : ; 0 e' ; did : not ; for a monient ^ mean to ^ co ly , that do other ( Government was possible but the ^ pre- . nt sent . ? e did not know what combinations rnight be tj he formeaf He ^ did not ^ ^ know whether Lord Derby and N sit his friends , or any other persons , might teaBeto ti ) he form a Government . But so long as himself and his it colleagues constituted the Government , and had A st- upon them the responsibility of the war , of course g ith they must appeal to the House of Commons for its fair- generous confidence : and support , for no Government d at- which had not , th ^ support and confidence of the d « rto House of Commons could hope to carry on a . great J ' ler contest like the present to that successful issue v us , which , every person in the country most anxiously ai eat desired to see . " The noble lord was loudly cheered tl irs , at the dose of these observations . . » ¦ ed , There came , b . owever , a dead pause ; for as Lord t ger John had said nothing whatever but that the fate of * e , a the Government could not be decided for a week , ti der nobody , knew very well why he was there , or what t rge he bad to comment on . ¦ »• . / , less Mr . J . Smith , however , who is m a chronic state c out of surprise at a man of his wealth being left out I ope of a , Government like the present , rose and uncon- a olo- sciously developed his bizarre malignancy : — I reat " Mr . Vbrwon Smith * after a few introductory ob- t > ble servations , dwelt upon the conduct of the Govern- f our , ment with regard to the admission of Dissenters to liole the University of Oxford . Their proceedings on this non question , he thought , were a 3 damaging to their able character and position as anything could be in the for eyes both of the House and of the country . He i on added , that those persons who wished for the estaiend blishment of a War Ministry were quite as anxious i 7 ith to have a patticular man to be at the head ot it . the They were just as anxious to have the department I able created as to appoint a particular individual to it . 3 one That individual was his noble friend Lord Palmer-War ston . He ( Mr . V . Smith ) was not disposed to find 1 by fault with the Puke of Newcastle . He merely exhad pressed the opinion of those who had asked for the ties * new department to ho established . But lie thought I not tlie office of 8 eciretary-at-War ought to be done away Phey with , and he hoped the noble lord would not allow had any regret , t \ l having to discharge what might be a imit- paidfuFdUty , to deter him from taking that step at their the e ? rli , est practicable period . " 1 the There being nothing tp reply to , Mr . Sidney Herfrom bert ' rose to reply , . M e . Herbert has been stung by had the private laughter , at hia absurd public position , i for and proffered an . explanation , which waa about as plain xidiculouB , and quite as . inexplicable , aa the , recent then , analogous " statement" of-infelicitous Mr , Strutt ;— aria , t , M Mr ^ Sxd ^ kt H «» mnn * said he had given a great tho deal pf labour to the duties of the Office which he had ¦ the uo'W- thp ' fciofloOT tq hold . Ho had now twice held . tho iment office of Seuretary-nt-War ; and , without presumpi had tion , he flight venture to any that ho wns pretty well elast ^ loauainted with wll . Hs dutiea . When tho changes ulties now undjeu discuseion wore first sppken ot , no upon placed himself , unreaervedly in the lianda of Lord lly to Aberdeen , being perfectly willing to submit to any-Idinga thing , or to do anything , that might be considered In tho beat for tho intereets of the country . Wo personal want feelings of hie own ever should , he stated to hia noble n ox- friend , hinder him from acceding to any step that A not might appear wiae to bo tuition in tho intero 3 ta ol lii dis- the country . Tlio office he held was now ono of rofor to duced dignity , nnd ho miglit , for that reaRon , have third , given it up without repronch ; but ho believed he 2 cnuso waa boat consulting the intcrcHts of tho country , could under present oircjimRtnncos , by tho coiitbo ho had : emoly I talilcn of' Vo ' rtittlnJng-iV * itjl ) tit »> d astro red honourable n com- ' gentiomen thait no pereonftl object , no personal unv bition of any made of every l liis [ " , had r - make - to il tlie e I jecfe e ment 3 clas o fact h > - that Le of I 3 t r- is ^ e this ie ie the n se » a e- let av e- be this nd M to iis ad se its > nt he ^ at lue sly as red 3 rd of to ek hat ate out on- ob- > rn- 3 to this heir the He sta- ious f it [ lent o it . I Tier-1 find ¦ ex-1 the ught iway illow be a ? p at Her- iK by ition it as ecent jtj-r- great e had Id the minn . ywell anges > f ho Lord > any- idered raonal noblo n that 38 ta of of ro- , have red ho untry io hna urablo id urn

    | , should ever for one moment ; stand in the . way re-arrangement of these offices that . could ,, be for the benefit of the service and the advantage tke country . " ( Cheers . ) Then came Mr . Horsman , who , as a gentleman on one's cards for the next Ministry , confessed interest in the crisis : —« . . , . Mr . Hobema-N said that aahonourable gentlemen been called together , they had assembled for the purpose of plain speaking . They were not met , to speeches , but to do business . He then referred the religious questions continually coming before House in one shape or other ; and said this suj > - was one upon which it was evident the Govern . were not agreed in their policy , and that they differed largely in respect to it from a very important s of their supporters . He also referred to ; he that many objections were taken by their own supporters to Lord Aberdeen ; and , without ^ expressing his own opinion on the subject , he must say a larger number of Lord John Russell s usual friends were of opinion that , under the circumstances war , it was unfortunate that Lpxd Aberdeen should be in the situation of Prime Minister . They could not , from Lord Aberdeen's well knpwn views , anticipate that the war would be carried . on * n a manner consistent with the power and dirant ^ ifn country so long as the noble-earl , held the , chief Place in the Government . He ; also , said that tf was opinion of another considerable section o |> Xord John Ilusseli ' B party , that the . noble lord , m taking subordinate office under Lord Aberdeen , had iajber his party down—that ioi go doing he had scarcely consulted either their position or their interests , Mr . Hume came next . His speech amounte . to : nothing , shall induce him to « ive -im ; abject inisterialism ; but he would , on the whole , preter that the Whiga were not Tories : — . _ . . o _ , ..-. " Mr . Hume approved . of the position of l , orcl Aberdeen in the Government , and saidjie was vexj elad to see the manner in , which the Peeljte party had joined the old Liberal party . It said a great deal for their patriotism , while it gave them a great deal of strength with the country . He told . Lord John Kussell , however , in plain terms , that wh ^ en lie went against threerfourths or more of his own party , he had on some occasions , and found himself in the same lobby as those who were called his opponents , he might be quite certain he was wrong , and that he was taking the most effectual course possible . break up and destroy the Liberal party . There were , further , many little mutters of concession , things proper in themselves to be done , which the Liberal party could not get either the Government or Lord John Russell to consent to do . There was particularly one which , though trifling in itself copsidered as a matter of revenue , was of great importance to the country . He meant the repeal of the newspaper stamp , which the Liberal party had asked for so often , and upon which they were jo > unanimous , but to which they could never get the Government to assent . He thought this a fair ground of complaint . He would certainly give the Government what support he , could in the course they were taking with respect to the war , and he would consent to vote them all the supplies they might deem necessary ; but he must urge upon them the absolute necessity of their keeping more as one with their supporters . If they were a liberal Government they ought to act in these respects more iu a liberal spirit . " . Mr . Bright , who appears to have listened to all these illogicalities with quiet der } aion , next catches Lord John ' s eye—and hits it very hard , palpably confessing that Manchester does not countenance a "Whig conspiracy , and prefers tho Peelito members of the Cabinet : — " Mr . Bhioiit said thflt as he had often opposed the Government during the session , from a eensfcot public duty , he did not know w nether ho wan qualified to be an adviser on this occasion . But having received an invitation , to attend , he deemed it right to offer a few observations . Alluding , to the actual position of the Government , ho said ho though * a great part of its evils arose from its constitution , They had overthrown Lord Derby ' s Government , and established ono of opposite politics , while they oflcred office to several members of that admm * stration . They never decided upon any policy whicli thoy ought to pursue ; and ho could not understand how tho differences which necessarily arose in oonsequence could bo culled apprehensions . The speech of Lord Pnlmcreton upon the lmllot and Lord John ' s apeech on ohurch-rntea , wore not only not difficult to bo understood , but it waa impossiblo to miBundorstand them . Tho two noblo lordB might bo quite right , and tlicir supporters quite wrong ; but they differed entirely from many of their supportore . The honourable ) member further complained of the course of tho Government with respect to the advertisement duty nnd tho newspnper atnmp , ftiul said that , unleao they consulted their supporters , they could not expect their supporters to consider , their convenience . No Government could exist which ( Unregarded iho wishos of ito supportern . Ho would not go into the question of tho , noblo lord the - member for Tivcrton boang the new Miniutor of War ,

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  • Leader (1850-1860), July 22, 1854, page 4, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse-os.kdl.kcl.ac.uk/periodicals/l/issues/cld_22071854/page/4/